1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show Podcast. 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 2: Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now. 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 2: We want to hear from you eight hundred two eight 5 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: two eight eight two, So give us a call because 6 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: I'm sure you're going to be fired up by some 7 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 2: of the topics this hour. You can also send us 8 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: a VIP email to the Clanbuck dot com. Become a 9 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: VIP We'll get to some of those VIP emails as well. Democrats, 10 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 2: it's the Reuters piece from six hours ago. Play here, 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 2: you get ready for this one. I know Vivek came 12 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: on yesterday, so convincing the veke and yet so wrong 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 2: on this issue. So convincing it gets so wrong. Maybe 14 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: that should be a tagline because he says that it's 15 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: going to be Gavin Newsome and it's not going to 16 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: be Joe Biden who's the president. Here's what the Reuter's 17 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: headline is, quote Democrats have no Biden backup plan for 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four despite age. So they're laying out here 19 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: and this is what I've been saying. The Democrat Party 20 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: I'm quoting has no plan b if Joe Biden for 21 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: any reason decides to halt his twenty twenty four reelection campaign, 22 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: and a sudden need to replace him as its standard 23 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 2: bearer for health issues would spark a messy intra party battle. 24 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: Despite weak poll numbers and questions, including from some Democrats 25 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: about his age, Biden has stuck to his plan to 26 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: seek a second term. Even if more Democrat candidates were 27 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: jumping now, the path forward would be unclear, as deadlines 28 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 2: to get on the primary ballot in critical states including Nevada, 29 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 2: South Carolina, Georgia already passed. So if you're not on 30 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: the ballot in Nevada, South Carolina, and Georgia as a Democrat, well, 31 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: certainly Nevada and South Carolina, Nevada and Georgia well, for 32 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: the primary purposes, South Carolina matters too. You can't win, 33 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: is the point. You can't win, that's not going to happen, right, 34 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: So they have to figure out some other way. I'm 35 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: I'm hearing that there's still a lot of squabbling going 36 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: on behind closed doors in the Democrat Party, in the 37 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 2: high high levels about what to do here. But it 38 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 2: keeps coming back to there is no backup plan, Clay, 39 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: other than the Vice president. This is we have a 40 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 2: vice president in case of the need for someone to 41 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: step in, And this is a this is a common Now, 42 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 2: this is not an amuse. Sometimes Kamala moments are amusing 43 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: because you're, you know, you're just like, what is she saying? 44 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: Like this is this is such nonsense and she talks 45 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: in a circle and it makes But here you have her. 46 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: She's asked a pretty straightforward question dealing with Hamas and 47 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 2: uh and the Israel war in Gaza. Right now, this 48 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: has cut seven. Here's how she responds to, is Israel 49 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: following rules of war? 50 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 3: This is critically important that humanitarian aid be given to 51 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: Gaza and that the rules of war be followed. 52 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 4: Do you think they're following them? 53 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 3: Well, that's a very broad question. There are many rules, 54 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 3: but I will say that they we are looking at 55 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 3: that at some point a discussion that can be. 56 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: We're looking at We're having a discussion. 57 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: It's a straightforward question, is Israel following the rules of war? 58 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 2: What I would really want to know is you know 59 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: how she'd respond to is hamas a terrorist entity that 60 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: is violating rules of war? Because you can tell she 61 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: doesn't want to upset Clay. The far left of the 62 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: party because she was on the ticket. She is the 63 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: vice president because of identity politics, because of racial politics 64 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: in America today. Biden was very clear about why he 65 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: made the picks that he has made, including for vice president, 66 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: and she doesn't want to upset the Hamas, you know, 67 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 2: the Hamas delegation in America, so to speak. 68 00:03:55,280 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 5: Speaking of who could be the candidate to take the 69 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 5: hoist the batar, to hoist the flag of the Democrat Party, 70 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 5: hopefully from his perspective, not get hoisted on the patard 71 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 5: to the Democrat Party. 72 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: Do you know what Gavin Newsom said yesterday? Did you 73 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: see this on Twitter. 74 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: Last night? 75 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: I'm reading from Yeshar Ali last night, the Oakland City 76 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: Council this a couple of days ago now voted on 77 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: a resolution to call for a ceasefire. A city council 78 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: member tried to insert this is Oakland language, condemning Hamas 79 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: into that call for a ceasefire, and there was immediate 80 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: bedlam in Oakland over the idea that you could condemn. 81 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom responded, linked this clip and said Hamas is 82 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: a terrorist organization. 83 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 2: They must be called out for what they are. Evil. 84 00:04:55,400 --> 00:05:01,119 Speaker 2: Would Kamala Harris say that, no, right, not think she would. 85 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 2: I do not she would, I think I think she would. 86 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 2: She would head, she would prevaricate, she would you know, 87 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: she would do uh. 88 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: She would equivocate, she would tap dance, she would avoid 89 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: trying to because because again, this is that conflict that 90 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: the identity politics coalition of the Democrat Party has. You 91 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: can't be pro Israel and simultaneously pro palacetaring. 92 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: Now, now, the the only reason we're even talking about, 93 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: we're even having a discussion about this issue really is 94 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: because of the right. If if Harris were a standout 95 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: political figure on the left and Democrats felt strongly about her, 96 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 2: it's they it's so clear, right, so clear, what would happen. 97 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: It's time for Biden to pass the torch. Kamala runs, 98 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: first female vice president, first black female vice I'm sorry, 99 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 2: first female president, first black female president, and you know, 100 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: the narrative is all there. They have very low faith 101 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 2: in her because of the numbers. So she was asked 102 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 2: about this is cut nine. She was asked about the 103 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 2: numbers as well. This is at the New York Times 104 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 2: Deal Book summit, right, the same thing that Elon spoke at. Yeah, 105 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: I mean Elon's soundbites were better, so Clay got to 106 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 2: do the fun soundbites. I'm doing the Kamala soundbites. Yes 107 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,799 Speaker 2: here it is here. When she's asked about her numbers, 108 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:19,799 Speaker 2: guess what she blames for her low numbers. 109 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 4: Blame your own popularity. 110 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: Sure, you've seen the polls. 111 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 4: Also, your ratings thirty eight point five percent, Biden's forty 112 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 4: point four percent, and Trump is higher. Ron Klain says this, 113 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 4: And you've seen press about yourself over the years. 114 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: He says that he believes that. 115 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 4: Your popularity or unpopularity, or whatever rating you want to 116 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 4: put it as, is a function of sexism and racism. 117 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 4: He says that's part of the problem. He says, she 118 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,679 Speaker 4: doesn't get the credit for all that she's done. 119 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: Do you think that's true? 120 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 3: Well, are we talking about the media? Are people as 121 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 3: it relates to the media. I'm sure some of that 122 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 3: is true. 123 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 2: Sex and racism isn't Isn't it fascinating that for Democrats 124 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:10,239 Speaker 2: the diversity is a strength and they elevate people because 125 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: of diversity and because that's so important and so much better. 126 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: But then they'll also tell us, well, the reason they're 127 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: not and remember, Comma's not popular among Democrats, to be clear, 128 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: So this whole notion that it's sexism and racism, she's 129 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 2: saying that Democrats are sexist and racists. Put aside that 130 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 2: Republicans even enter into this issue. It's just weak. It's 131 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: just not going to work. As the explanation. 132 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: Two things on this one to get your job because 133 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: you are a black woman and be a heartbeat away 134 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: from the presidency and then blame people not liking you 135 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: because you're a black woman is next the level gas 136 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: lighting Part one, part two, and this is building on 137 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: what you just said, buck Kamala Harris dropped out of 138 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: the Democrat primary before a single vote was taken, pulling 139 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: at around one or two percent. Was the Democrat primary 140 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: electorate racist and sexist because they didn't embrace her campaign? 141 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: Or is she not a very good communicator, not particularly likable, 142 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: and also bereft of success from a political perspective that 143 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: you could point to and say, oh, she's been really 144 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: accomplished in a high level of office. 145 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 2: I think it's probably the latter. 146 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: And this is why, Bucket, you ask how this process 147 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: is going to play out. I thought I've been wrong 148 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: on this so far because I thought around a month ago, 149 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: Joe Biden would have come out and said, hey, I'm 150 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: too old. Effectively, I feel like I have done the 151 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: best job that I can given my age. It's time 152 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: for a new generation of Democrats to take over and 153 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: let there be a primary because Kamala. 154 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 2: Is so bad. 155 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: If Kamala were actually doing a good job and was 156 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: well liked, and here's a question for all of you 157 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: out there, who was the last vice president to be 158 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: really well liked in office? Joe Biden wasn't hated when 159 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: he was Barack Obama's VP. Now he was overlooked. Dick 160 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: Cheney was way less popular than George W. 161 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: Bush. 162 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: Al Gore was quite popular, although he ran and lost. 163 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: Dan Quayle got raked over the coals, absolutely obliterated. If 164 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: Kamala were as popular, here's a question for you, Buck 165 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: if AOC, and I think age was a reason she 166 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't be in the mix. If AOC were Joe Biden's 167 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: vice president right now, they would be using her as 168 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: the standard bear she would. I think that they would 169 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: look at AOC even though she's got all sorts of 170 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: issues and she just said she's gonna leave Twitter because 171 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: Elon Oscar saying such hateful things. I think the base 172 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: likes AOC enough that they would say it's time for 173 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: Joe Biden to step down. Remember you and me, if 174 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: we had been doing this show in January of twenty twenty, 175 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: we took over in June of June of twenty twenty one. 176 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: If we've been doing it in January of twenty twenty one, 177 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: I think we would have had complete agreement that all 178 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: Joe Biden was was a bridge to Kamala Harris, and 179 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: that was the intent. Joe Biden is very unpopular as 180 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: a VP. As a president, somehow is VP is even 181 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: more unpopular. Democrats haven't been able to execute their plan 182 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: as a result. But I think the coup is going 183 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: to happen at the DNC now. I think Biden's gonna 184 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 1: announce he's not going to run, and I think all 185 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: those DNC super delegates are going to get to select 186 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 1: the next nominee. 187 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 2: Can I can I just throw out there that this 188 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: is the only option now other than Kamala Harris takes 189 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: over or it's Biden. 190 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: Yes, so, and I've said for the get go Buck, 191 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: there's no way it's Kamala. They're trying to do whatever 192 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 1: they can to avoid Kamala being the nominee because she's 193 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: worse than Biden in terms of likelihood of winning. 194 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: But this is why Biden's still the guy. This is 195 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 2: why we come back to it. And just one more 196 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: thing here Kamala in the same interview, also, you know 197 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 2: how we're supposed to be so upset about anybody who 198 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 2: denies elections or undermines the sanctity of our elections. Here 199 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 2: is Kamala Harris on Russian interference in the twenty sixteen 200 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: Trump victorious election. Place. 201 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 3: Russia interfered in the twenty sixteen election, targeting specific groups 202 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 3: of Americans with dison misinformation with an intention to undermine 203 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 3: the American people's confidence in our institutions. 204 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 2: Well, Twitter interfered in the twenty twenty election at the 205 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 2: behest of Democrats. So you know, put this aside, the 206 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 2: fact that she's still clinging to the Russia. Basically, Russia 207 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: interference Russia collusion narrative is insane. But you have to 208 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 2: if you're a Democrat, you have to. 209 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: Somebody can correct me on this if I'm wrong. I 210 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: think that Russia spent like one hundred and fifty k 211 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: on Facebook ads I think that's what she's referring to 212 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: when she says Russia deliberately interfered in the twenty sixteen election. 213 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: I think it was determined that Russia spent around one 214 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars on Facebook ads. I can 215 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: tell you that one hundred and fifty thousand dollars in 216 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: Facebook ads is nothing. We would run Facebook ads sometimes 217 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: for sports gambling ads. Sometimes we would run other like 218 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: subscriber based ads on Facebook. 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So that's at 270 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: least a positive, I believe for people who are listening 271 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: to us in Charleston. I don't think we mentioned that, 272 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: and certainly it's Alice has had a mayor flip to 273 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: become a Republican and we need to get him on 274 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: still at some point. But Brandon Johnson, who is the 275 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: mayor of Chicago, followed Loriy Lightfoot. Lory Lightfoot was an 276 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: unmitigated disaster. Somehow Chicago may have made a worst decision. 277 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: City is floundering, crime is up, migrant crisis. Many people, white, Black, Asian, 278 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: and Hispanic who call Chicago home are fed up with 279 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: the decisions by their leaders. Brandon Johnson says, the problem 280 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: is Republicans. They're still mad slavery ended. Listen, what we've. 281 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 6: Seen is a very raggedy form instituted by right wing extremism. 282 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 6: Everyone knows that the right wing extremism in this country 283 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 6: has targeted democratically ran cities, and quite frankly, they've been 284 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 6: very intentional about going after democratically rand cities that are 285 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 6: led by people of color. It's the same Republican right 286 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 6: wing extremism that stormed the is the same right wing 287 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 6: extremism that refuses to accept the results of the Civil War. 288 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 6: They're still mad that a black man is free in 289 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 6: this country. This is nothing new. But aren't you glad 290 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 6: that the soul of Chicago won't be broken. And those 291 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 6: are the words of a thing, Beyonce, you won't break 292 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 6: our soul. 293 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 2: What a what a preposterous distraction and deflection from what's 294 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 2: really going on, which is Chicago has a crime rate 295 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 2: that's appalling and that people just can we focus on 296 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 2: having a government in the city of Chicago that make 297 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 2: sure that fewer and fewer people are being shot. It's 298 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 2: really not about history of racism or anything else. It's 299 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 2: just people don't want to get shot, and we don't 300 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: want people getting shot, and that's really what we're focused on. 301 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 2: And their policies. Unfortunately, Democrat policies are insufficient in this regard, 302 00:17:54,640 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 2: So you know, crime racism is pathetic in this circumstances. Look, 303 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 2: a lot of libs out there could use a boost 304 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 2: in their testosterone, that's for sure. They could use a 305 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 2: boost so that they actually get out there and do 306 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 2: something other than whine and cry about free Palestine or whatever, 307 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 2: because there are a bunch of beta mals. 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One of 328 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 1: the great unforced errors I would argue of the Biden 329 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: administration is the way they've tried to sell the economy. 330 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: And Buck, We've talked about it's hard to sell as yes, 331 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: but there are lots of things that are really bad 332 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: they haven't tried to argue typically that Joe Biden has 333 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: been strong on crime, because everybody will respond and say, actually, 334 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,479 Speaker 1: there's never been a time in many cities where in 335 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: the twenty first century more people felt that they. 336 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 2: Were likely to be a victim of crime. 337 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: They wouldn't say, well, we've got peace around the world 338 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: because there's a war in Middle East and a war 339 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,239 Speaker 1: in Europe. They wouldn't say, hey, we've got sanctity at 340 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: the southern border. And you would think they would have 341 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 1: tried to say, well, things are maybe not great, but 342 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: they're getting better. I thought buck that the Biden administration 343 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: would say basically what Obama did, Hey, I took over 344 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: in a time of great difficulty in the economy, and 345 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: we have fixed things and while they're not totally fixed, 346 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: we are rapidly improving. 347 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 2: Because I wouldn't agree with that argument, but you could 348 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 2: see how it. 349 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: Could be made. He took over in January of twenty 350 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: twenty one. COVID was still out there, there were a 351 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: lot of people not working, and he could argue the 352 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: great American comeback is underway. We're fixing things. Trump was 353 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: a disaster and we're fixing everything that. 354 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: He got wrong. 355 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: Instead Buck, they've come out and said Bidenomics is a 356 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: great success, and they keep arguing that this economy is 357 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: the responsibility of Joe Biden, which is unbelievable because I 358 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: would argue, of everything going on right now, the economy 359 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: is Biden's worst selling point right now for anything on 360 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. 361 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 2: Really, maybe you just I think border. I mean, in 362 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 2: terms of what will move the needle more, it's probably 363 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 2: the economy. But what's in a greater state of disrepair? 364 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: I mean, because even Democrats are now. 365 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: Worried the border is so but he's not saying this 366 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: border is great and we have like Biden border security, right, 367 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: but you. 368 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 2: Have no Choe. Well, I mean they kind to say that. 369 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 2: They say they're you know, surging resources, and they're you know, 370 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: working on comprehensive immigration reform. But with the economy, Yeah, 371 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 2: if you go out there, you're like, look, guys, truth 372 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: is the economy stinks and we're bad at managing it. 373 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 2: You're probably not going to help yourself. Now, that's not 374 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 2: a good argument to make this. Yes, that's not that's 375 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 2: not strong, But this isn't strong either. This is a 376 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 2: tweet from Joe Biden's official account on x Let me 377 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 2: be clear, to any corporation that hasn't brought their prices 378 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 2: back down even as inflation has come down, it's time 379 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 2: to stop the price gouging. Give American consumers a break. 380 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 2: So here's the president of the United States telling businesses, look, 381 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 2: I'm up for reelection. Prices are too high. You need 382 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 2: you to start taking a loss or else you're the 383 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 2: bad guy. Basically, because I honestly don't I don't believe, 384 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 2: and I don't say this to be funny. I don't 385 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 2: think this is an exaggeration. I don't think that Joe 386 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 2: Biden could pass a high school economics class, like I 387 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 2: don't think he could pass not even college econ one 388 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 2: oh one. I don't think he under the only jobs 389 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 2: he knows how to create or for Hunter, his son. 390 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 2: And I think that there's going to be a lot 391 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 2: of the class warfare rhetoric that you see coming out 392 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 2: from Democrats. Basically, people have to pay their fair share. 393 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 2: A lot of the Obama stuff from back in the 394 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 2: day is going to make a comeback here, and they're 395 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 2: going to try to vilify Corporate America and Wall Street 396 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 2: as though those are strongholds of the right. Meanwhile, Apple 397 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 2: and you know, Google and Facebook and you get these 398 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 2: are all left wing enclaves, and Wall Street donated overwhelmingly 399 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 2: to Hillary Clinton in the twenty sixteen election. Here we 400 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 2: are that we're gonna be told that corporate America and 401 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 2: rich people are the Republicans and the Democrats care about 402 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 2: the Joe Biden's gonna pull all this working class stuff. 403 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 2: It's why the high prices you're paying, the cost of things. 404 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 2: People understand that that's happening to them. So the Democrats 405 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 2: and Joe Biden have to lie about why that's happening 406 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 2: to them. Who's maybe do you think it's gonna work? 407 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 2: That's such it's so hard to say. 408 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: I so I think they had. I think Bidenomics was 409 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: a huge own goal. I think it was a massive 410 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: unforced error by the Biden administration. And I don't understand 411 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: how they could be so tone death because I understand 412 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: when you're in the White House, you're in a bubble 413 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: of sorts, and certainly most people who work at high 414 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: levels of Democrat politics, even though they claim to represent 415 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 1: working class people, I don't think they actually know or 416 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: notice when grocery store prices are up a lot. A 417 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: lot of these people don't have to worry about what 418 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: the price of gas is, or they don't have to 419 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: worry about what a Thanksgiving meal cost because they're dining 420 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: out in fancy restaurants and they're living high on the hog. 421 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 2: I mean, that's the reality. Right. 422 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: Nobody buy and large and a high position inside of 423 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 1: the Democrat Party, or to be fair, the Republican Party 424 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: is worried about whether or not they're going to be 425 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: able to pay their mortgage. 426 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 2: Right. 427 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: This is not a political class at the upper echelons. 428 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about twenty five year olds who are 429 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: busting their ass and are low level, which there are 430 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: a lot of in many different political parties. I'm talking 431 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: about the people who are actually in positions of power. 432 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: They're all very well off relative to what the average 433 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: American is. But I'm stunned by how poor the communication 434 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: is that they are trying to say the economy is 435 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: actually really good because we're making it better and we're 436 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: dealing with the mess that Trump left. I think would 437 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: be a lie, but I think people might be willing 438 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: to accept. 439 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 2: It on some level. 440 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of nostalgia for twenty nineteen 441 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: right now. I think a lot of people out there 442 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: look around and you've talked about how I used to 443 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: say this on your show, Buck before COVID hit officially 444 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: in March of twenty twenty. Let's go back to February 445 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty. America had never been stronger. Everybody was 446 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: making more money, White, Black, Asian, Hispanic. The rate of 447 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: employment was massive and the rate of unemployment was incredibly low. 448 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: Wage growth was outpacing inflation. You had two and a 449 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: half percent, three percent mortgage rates. Everybody was making more money. 450 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: That Trump economy was just starting to hum, and then 451 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: COVID hit. And I think there are a lot of 452 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: people that don't blame Trump for COVID, and why would you. 453 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: You can't and now look back and say, boy Trump, 454 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: Actually they. 455 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 2: May not like him. 456 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: They may even think that they wouldn't want their daughter 457 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: to date them, they wouldn't want him necessarily to be 458 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: in their immediate family. 459 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 2: But they're like, guy kind of knew what he was doing. 460 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: And I think that. 461 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: Trump nostalgia economy is actually really powerful, and so I 462 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: think Bidenomics is of all of the intentional decisions probably 463 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: the biggest unforced error that the Biden administration has made. 464 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: Leaving aside like the Afghanistan debacle and all those things, 465 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: I mean intentional messaging that they chose to put out there. 466 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 2: The economy of five You think the economy of five 467 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 2: years ago is going to be the fulcrum on which 468 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 2: the election turns. I wish it were the case. I 469 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 2: don't know. Well, a tough stretch. 470 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: I think the challenge is what is the economy going 471 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: to be a year from now? Because people are going 472 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: to vote immediate pocketbook this year. That's gonna make that's 473 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: going to certainly matter. But I do think there is 474 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 1: nostalgia for the Trump economy. I think there's a nostalgia 475 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: right now for a pre COVID America. Well, remember with Democrats, 476 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: you always have to keep this in mind. There's what 477 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: is happening, there's reality, and then there's perception. And how 478 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: this matters in the economy is okay. They can try 479 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: to massage, they can try. 480 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 2: To do pr and propaganda about how good the economy is, 481 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 2: but ultimately people are going to make their own determinations 482 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 2: about how it affects them. The part where Democrats, unfortunately 483 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 2: have even more leeway to be dishonest and therefore to 484 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: assis themselves politically. Is who is responsible for whatever is 485 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 2: going on? Right? Who remember Barack Obama terrible economy his 486 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 2: first term, But it was all George Bush's fault and 487 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 2: the Republicans and the fat cats on Wall Street and right, 488 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 2: that was the whole thing. So even if you didn't 489 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 2: like that economy, which people really didn't, it wasn't Obama's fault, 490 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 2: or it wasn't the Democrat's fault, and that was the 491 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 2: game that they played this time around. We'll have to see. 492 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 2: I mean, they may be trying to say, I mean 493 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 2: depends if they're running against Trump. You know they're going 494 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 2: to be saying that everything that we look at in 495 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 2: terms of the numbers must be judged against twenty twenty COVID, 496 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 2: which is unfair and crazy. 497 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: But that gets to the Okay, that's how they're going 498 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: to message it. Let me explain Trump nostalgia a little 499 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: bit better to buck when I say Trump nostalgia, assuming 500 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: that it's Trump Biden. We're going to be in an 501 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: incredibly unique election cycle in twenty twenty four where effectively 502 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: you have two incumbents. Right, Trump was the incumbent president. 503 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: Now Biden is the incumbent president. I think that Americans 504 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: are going to compare their lives under each president in 505 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: a way that no presidential cycle in our life has 506 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: ever been, because you have effectively two incumbent presidents running 507 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: against each other. 508 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 2: So Trump can. 509 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: Say, hey, did you like the way life was pre 510 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: COVID in my tournament office? And I think nostalgically people 511 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: may well say yes, compared to the current incumbency of Biden. 512 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: Usually you've got the incumbent president and you've got somebody 513 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: else saying I'll do better than him, but it's an 514 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: unknown because that person's never been president before. Here you 515 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: have four tangible years of a Trump presidency to compare 516 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: against four tangible years of a Biden presidency. And I 517 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: do think there could be a nostalgia factor as people 518 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: try to assess their relative life status in a way 519 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: to it's different than most elections. 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Here the the debate between Gavin 545 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 2: Newsom and uh and Ron DeSantis. But is there another 546 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 2: If you could see two people, you could just pick 547 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 2: two people on any topic of great importance to you 548 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 2: to have a debate. That would be you know, televised 549 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 2: in front of tens of millions of people would watch this, 550 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,239 Speaker 2: so it would really be something that you know, you 551 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 2: guaranteed a lot of eyeballs on it. It could politics, 552 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 2: would be sports, to be anything you want. Who would 553 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 2: you want to see? Have it out right now? Oh man? 554 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 2: I mean that's for for example, I'll start because I'm 555 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 2: putting you on the spot. I would find it very 556 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 2: interesting to watch Elon Musk where Elon talk today, Elon 557 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 2: Musk debate the CEO of Google, for example. I would 558 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 2: I would find that Sundhar Pachai. I would find that 559 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 2: really interesting because it would touch on so much stuff 560 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 2: about the Internet and censorship and everything else. I think 561 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 2: Elon Musk debating Mark Zuckerberg. I know that he says 562 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 2: that he wants to fight him, and he seems serious. 563 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 2: I don't know if you see this, he says like, yeah, 564 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 2: he wants to fight him, and given Elon's temperament, I 565 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 2: wouldn't I wouldn't think that that's necessarily just ingest at all. 566 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 2: But I think Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk could be 567 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 2: I think I think Elon Musk and Bill Gates. Bill 568 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 2: Gates would never debate anybody. I think he's a coward, 569 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 2: but I think that would be a really interesting debate 570 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 2: that I would want to see. 571 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: I love all those I jotted down when you were 572 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: asking the question Elon Musk before I knew you wanted 573 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: Elon versus Bob Eiger, Disney CEO discussing the state of 574 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: media and the way that that that that should be held. 575 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,479 Speaker 2: If you had to put Tuck, you know, Tucker is 576 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 2: is formidable on on his feet and is a good 577 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 2: debater if you had to put it, do you think 578 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 2: you think? I mean, here's one I would I would 579 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 2: love to see a Tucker versus Joe Scarborough debate. I 580 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 2: think that would be really interesting on a whole bunch 581 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 2: of levels. Not that Joe Scarborough is some huge you know, 582 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 2: luminary for the for the for the Democrats. But uh, 583 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 2: you know, I think those two guys don't like each other, 584 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 2: and I think there'd be a lot of a lot 585 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 2: of fireworks. I think if you're looking for just the 586 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 2: highest level of that kind of debate, I think that 587 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 2: if you could ever get Rachel Matt Awen Tucker Carlson debate, 588 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: that would be interesting. 589 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: You know, when you're asking this question, I think that 590 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: leftists in this country are so flabby because they don't 591 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: have to actually defend their ideas. I would love to 592 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: debate somebody on the left in the world of sports, 593 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: like I've gone at it with Mark Cuban. I think 594 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: Mark Cuban having a debate with Mark Cuban would be 595 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: really illuminating him. Any Ways, now he's purportedly selling the 596 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: Dallas Mavericks. But I think sports is such a window 597 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: into the larger world. I'd love to see a lot 598 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: of people grilled. I'd love to see Joe Biden actually grilled, 599 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: like an hour long sit down. Joe Biden's never answered 600 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: the question like do you think that a guy pretending 601 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: to be a girl should be able to be a 602 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:53,720 Speaker 1: women's champion? 603 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 2: Right there's so many. He would evade a lot, though, 604 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 2: you know how he is. Go come on, man, you know, 605 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 2: come on. Yeah, I get it. But but that's where 606 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:01,479 Speaker 2: i'd like to see. 607 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: You can evade in those White House press conferences, because 608 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: you can dodge and then you just move on to 609 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: another question. I would like to see somebody have to 610 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: sit for like an hour and really get grilled. Remember 611 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: we played, to his credit, the Pierce Morgan question of 612 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: the Labor Party guy Jeremy Corbin. I think it was 613 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: about Ishamasi terrorist organization, and he just hit him like 614 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: fifteen times, yes or no. I mean that's a relatively 615 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: easy question. You asked the question. Would Kamala Harris admit it? 616 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: I think we need more aggressive questioning of people in 617 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: positions of power, period, and that means and people have 618 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: heard of it on this show. I get offended when 619 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: we ask a question and somebody won't answer. It has 620 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: happened with Mike Pence back when he was still running 621 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: for president. I think you have an obligation to answer questions, honestly, 622 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: not that I have to agree with it, but just 623 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: don't dodge it. 624 00:35:59,200 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 2: I love your idea. 625 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a desperate demand for actual disagreement, 626 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: conflict in a reasonable way, for real conversations. There just 627 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,280 Speaker 1: aren't very many of those, and that's why I'm really 628 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: excited to watch the Gavin Newsom versus Ron DeSantis debate. 629 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: I give Sean Hannity credit for actually managing to put 630 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: this thing together and we get a real conflict of 631 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:24,800 Speaker 1: ideas between the two. 632 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 2: I hope that it leads to more of This is 633 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 2: what I'm thinking about, sort of ideas, and I'm not 634 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 2: thinking about this in terms of the presidential cycle. I 635 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 2: just want to see a good debate on important issues 636 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 2: for America. So I think that could be what we achieved, 637 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 2: and we'll talk more about it coming up.