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Speaker 1: am just drained. So again, we are taking a week

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Speaker 1: off and running a rerun this week. We do that

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Speaker 1: old episode on the Latter Days of l Ron Hubbard,

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Speaker 1: one of our beloved podcast subjects, with Michael Swain and

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Speaker 1: Abe Eperson, two of my old friends from Cracked dot com.

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Speaker 1: They both have a podcast network called small Beans, which

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Speaker 1: podcasts are. And I also wanted to note and plug

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Speaker 1: my friend Michael's novel The Climb. It's an epic fantasy

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Speaker 1: memoir with some you know, magic realism elements to it.

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Speaker 1: You can google The Climb Michael Swain Patreon. You can

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Speaker 1: seeing it right now on the Barnes and Noble website.

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Speaker 1: There's a bunch of other places that you can find

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Speaker 1: The Climb. So check out The Climb Michael swam Just

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Speaker 1: type that into Google and here's the end of l

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Speaker 1: Ron Hubbard whats l running my Hubbards. I'm Robert Evans.

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Speaker 1: This is Behind the Bastards, the podcast where we talk

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Speaker 1: about the very worst people in all of history. And

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Speaker 1: today is our super special conclusion episode of the life

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Speaker 1: of l Ron Hubbard. And with me today to talk

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Speaker 1: about the last ten years of the craziest man in

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Speaker 1: History's life is Michael Swam and Abe Eperson.

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Speaker 2: For having us.

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Speaker 1: I was making cheering and crowd sounds with my mouth.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's I thought it's not a mechanical.

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Speaker 1: I didn't do a good job.

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Speaker 3: I thought you just did that for every ten minutes

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Speaker 3: to like seep out all the saliva from your No.

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Speaker 1: No, you know what I do when I fuck something

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Speaker 1: up like that. Though, As I toss my throw in bagels, Oh.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I was aware of the throwing bagel trope. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's angry, and they bounced right off the wall

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Speaker 2: We're also in a room with dozens of panels. You

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Speaker 1: Well, that's because the nature of the bounce means it

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Speaker 3: I love that you keep them contained in the bag though,

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Speaker 4: That's how you get rats.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't want rats inside the house. I

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Speaker 2: There's only the government acceptable level of rat in this studio,

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Speaker 1: That, yeah, which is five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the max, same as peanut butter.

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Speaker 1: Which is why there's so many rats the open peanut

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Speaker 1: So I haven't seen that movie, but I think a

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Speaker 3: Abes eating rats is the correct one.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean the rent is too damn high in

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Speaker 1: Now I got to ask before we before we get in,

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Speaker 2: Oh? I was ready to immediately answer no to everything

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Speaker 1: And I remember thinking as a seven year old reading that.

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Speaker 1: Hubbard launched Operation gold Mine. This was his plan to

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Speaker 1: No that's a great place to have a call. That's

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Speaker 1: That is what we know about a well. L Ron

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Speaker 1: it's not a theory now, hasp. Oh he's still alive.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to see him and Ted Williams head fight

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Speaker 4: Sure, just rolling around.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those things where, after everything we went

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Speaker 2: In the This is only the last decade.

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Speaker 1: Right, This is the last like ten years of his life.

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Speaker 2: Home again. This is the Game of Thrones finale episode.

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Speaker 2: This is not the whole run.

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Speaker 1: Most dictators get a two part, maybe a three part like.

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Speaker 2: El Ron Hubbard. This is a five part wait. Yeah, so.

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Speaker 1: Clearwater, Florida, is located west of Tampa and north of

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Speaker 3: I mean, we all have a lot, like humans have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is exactly what I planned to do someday

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Speaker 1: You guys saw that documentary Wild Wild Country. Yeah, like

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Speaker 2: And everyone said, something happens, So now I know what.

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Speaker 2: They poison a town.

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Speaker 1: Yet it they poisoned the shit out of a town.

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Speaker 1: paid five hundred and fifty thousand dollars, again in cash. Now,

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Speaker 1: Five hundred local citizens attended the meeting, where they were

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Speaker 1: The fact that Hubbard's location had been revealed by himself

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Speaker 2: He goes boho, kind of a massage arc for him.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna see you then.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, didn't you hear they throwing at everyone in

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's how you react to threats when you

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Speaker 2: Oh hell, that was real bad al all the crime.

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Speaker 1: the National Mayor's Conference in Washington from eleventh or thirteen

436
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Speaker 1: to seventeenth March, and the Guardian's Office made hasty plans

437
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 1: to give him a welcome. A scientologist posing as a

438
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,879
Speaker 1: Washington reporter sought an interview with Kazaras and introduced him

439
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,879
Speaker 1: to a friend, Sharon Thomas, who offered to show the

440
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 1: mayor the sites of Washington. Miss Thomas was, of course

441
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,120
Speaker 1: working for the Guardian's Office. Driving with the mayor through

442
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,920
Speaker 1: scenic Rock Creek Park, she temporarily lost control of her

443
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 1: car and ran into a pedestrian, who crumpled dramatically. To

444
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,160
Speaker 1: the Mayor's horror, Miss Thomas accelerated away without stopping, leaving

445
00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 1: the injured man lying on the road.

446
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,879
Speaker 2: Is the injured man also a plant?

447
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a science Everyone involved as a scientologist, but

448
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:06,160
Speaker 1: the mayor.

449
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 4: So this is like a play for no one.

450
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 2: It's like in the Simpsons when they put on a

451
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 2: play to convince mister Burns to fund the school or

452
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 2: some ship, like, yeah, I wonder if they rehearsed.

453
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 1: Oh, they must have.

454
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,640
Speaker 4: They must have, and it's all for him to find

455
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 4: that important.

456
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 1: He had a team always practicing to fake a hit

457
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 1: and run just because he knew at some point I'm

458
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,199
Speaker 1: gonna need this. I'm got to be in those morning

459
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 1: production meetings.

460
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're just right.

461
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 3: And he was talking last night about not feeling like

462
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 3: so great when he's like, he's not tall, so can

463
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 3: we just like, let's build his platform, make him taller for.

464
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 2: Our shortest people.

465
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 4: They were doing this shit.

466
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 2: I want to see the scenes that they rehearsed that

467
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 2: were cut, Like, okay, in case the mayor gets carried

468
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 2: off by a giant bird of prey, we have this

469
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 2: great scene worked out. It never happened. It just like

470
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 2: slays on the cutting room floor.

471
00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, with the beatings with.

472
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 4: So probably that's what I get the acting connection.

473
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 2: Now, Oh that makes sense.

474
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 4: So they had to do a lot of improv.

475
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 1: We'll be getting a little more into that story.

476
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 2: Thomas Cruise, Yeah, that was his first role.

477
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, the plan was to use this hit and

478
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 1: run to discredit the mayor. A Guardian's office memo noted,

479
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: I should think the mayor's political days are at an end.

480
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: Of course, a fake hit and run committed by someone

481
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: else did not have the derailing effect on the mayor's

482
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: career that the Guardian's office at home. Yeah, but Hubbward

483
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: was ready the same day with another plan to try

484
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 1: and convince Miami's Cuban population that the Mayor of Clearwater

485
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 1: was pro castro. So, like most of L. Ron Hubbard's

486
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 1: hairbrain schemes, this one did not bear fruit. The commodore

487
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 1: cooked up ideas like I Hopcook's pancakes, poorly and constantly,

488
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: but all of his schemes were not half asked. And

489
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: while all this was going on, the Church of Scientology

490
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: was deep in the middle of the most ambitious scheme

491
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 1: of its history to date, Operation snow White. On November ninth,

492
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five, an agent of the Church code named Silver,

493
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: walked into the Internal RESI New Service headquarters in Washington,

494
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 1: d C. He entered the office of Attorney Charles Zuvrayan,

495
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: although he had no legal right to be there, and

496
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: began taking documents. He made copies of hundreds of confidential

497
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: tax documents and then walked out the door with them.

498
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 1: Like the purchase of the Fort Harrison Hotel. This was

499
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 1: done under the express orders of l. Ron Hubbard. The

500
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: genesis of snow White had come in nineteen seventy three,

501
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: whilst Hubbard and his Sea Org were still trawling international waters.

502
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: Multiple nations refused to let the Scientologists dock at their ports,

503
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 1: and l. Ron Hubbard decided this was due to a

504
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: worldwide conspiracy to discredit his church, rather than its numerous

505
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 1: numerous crimes.

506
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 2: He tended to want to an asshole.

507
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: A conspiracy.

508
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 2: I'm an address up like Spider Man and ruin his

509
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 2: good name.

510
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: Hubbard tasks Scientology's investigative arm, the Guardian Office, with countering

511
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 1: this false information. The name snow White was picked because

512
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,719
Speaker 1: Hubbard claimed the government's case against him was, in essence

513
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:52,479
Speaker 1: a fable.

514
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 2: Now we call it Operation Fable. That's way cooler.

515
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 1: Well, he went with snow White all right. Under the

516
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: direction of his wife, Mary Hubbard, Operation snow White would

517
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: grow into a sprawling infiltration of the US federal government

518
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: at every level. Agent Silver's theft of IRS documents was

519
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: just one part of the scheme. Agent Silver was really

520
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: IRS Clerk Gerald Wolf, and in that capacity he was

521
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: able to steal more than thirty thousand pages worth of documents.

522
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: By the beginning of nineteen seventy five, the Church had

523
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: actually succeeded in placing agents inside the I R S,

524
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: the US Coast Guard, and the DEA. Now this scheme

525
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 1: was executed entirely by agents of the Guardian Office. They

526
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: were trained to lie, or in scientology terms, outflow false

527
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 1: data in order to worm their way into these federal organizations.

528
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: That's a good synonym for lie.

529
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 2: Wrap my head. Yea euphemism.

530
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 4: Cinerga is the dishonesty.

531
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 2: Also, your name's already Wolf, agent Wolf.

532
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 4: Wolf or I don't know, silver Wolf.

533
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: Agent silver Wolf, Red Fox. That was agent Red Fox,

534
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: snow Wolf. Why he's got a filthy sense of humor,

535
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 2: but he gets shipped done.

536
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: Speaking of fables, you know it's not a fable.

537
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 4: Products yea, your heart, your heart's sewing this man.

538
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: They're very you know what I don't need to see.

539
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 1: I throw the bagels, they get right back to him.

540
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 4: Hey, those are some products.

541
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, the services are real, but we are not.

542
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: And the throwing bagels are real. My current throwing bagels

543
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 1: are everything, bagels, kettle boiled and health baked, sliced, the

544
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: bagel that won the West.

545
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: And they're bruising badly, which I didn't think bagels were

546
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 2: supposed to do.

547
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: The bagel that won the West?

548
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 4: Did they didn't know that? Yeah?

549
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: Did these wipe out the Cherokee?

550
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

551
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: Are these genide bagels that are.

552
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 2: Throwing on the walls.

553
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 3: They're everything, so they're definitely genocide. Plus I guess everything else.

554
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: That's not cool.

555
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 2: Thousands of American bison died with those bagels embedded in

556
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 2: their skulls.

557
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: Sophie, I want bagels that didn't commit genocide. Yeah, fair,

558
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: Also these expired February twenty fifth.

559
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: So I want us throwing bagels.

560
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: Actually, the expired ones work a little bit better.

561
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: So, uh, check out these ads.

562
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: We're back. I shouldn't have come back when I was eating, Yeah.

563
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 2: Right, when, Well, you fully control when you come back,

564
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: so that was your choice and you can it.

565
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 4: That's number three for those keeping track.

566
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: I hit some equipment with that one, but Daniel says

567
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: it's fine.

568
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 2: We've returned from examining the ads examining antiquated woodworking tool,

569
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: and I, for one will purchase one.

570
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, delicious products or services.

571
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: Now what's not delicious is the throwing bagels that apparently

572
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: are genocide bagels.

573
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they're genocide bagel.

574
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: I would like to apologize to genocide victims for throwing

575
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: genocide bagels.

576
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of words in my time on

577
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 2: this earth. I've never heard the combination tasty, genocide.

578
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I don't eat bake, so

579
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: I just throw them, so I don't know if they're tasty.

580
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 1: I can say these are the bountiest of the bagels.

581
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 2: So you're not even vouching for these bagels as edible.

582
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: That's why they're throwing, all right.

583
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 2: I assume they're a throwing bagel could sort of retire

584
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 2: and end its life in my little mouth. Is that

585
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 2: not a possible.

586
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say you can't, but that's not

587
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: their purpose. Okay, they're everything bagels, so you can do

588
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: anything with them.

589
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 4: This bagel is my everything now, including jennocide.

590
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: Yes, unfortunately, I guess, yeah, they really are.

591
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 2: Well, if the bagel's everything, it's all good and.

592
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 4: It's all on there.

593
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that bagel both invented the seat belt and killed

594
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: John Bana Ramsay and everything. It is the spirit of Christmas,

595
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: and is the spirit of Christmas as well as the

596
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: spirit of Saint Louis.

597
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 2: And is that right wing college kid who led the

598
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 2: campaign against wearing seat belts and died in an accident

599
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 2: that he wouldn't have lived through if he had worn

600
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: his seat belt. It's all in the bagel, people.

601
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: We've gotten to invest in the philosophy of what an

602
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 1: everything bagel.

603
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 2: Is, the cream cheese is hitler. I don't ask why

604
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 2: it's always been that way.

605
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 1: I think we can all agree on all right, let's

606
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: get back to Ron Hubbard's life.

607
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: A little bit of bagel.

608
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of bagel. So the Guardian Office

609
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: agents were infiltrating, you know, all these federal agencies, the IRS,

610
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: the DEA, the Coastguard. Much of the data gathered, like

611
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: the IRS files copied by agents Silver was collected in

612
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: order to help the church deal with its mountain of

613
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,719
Speaker 1: pending audits. At this point, it was not a religious

614
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: institution in the legal sense of the word, but it

615
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: was still refusing to pay taxes, so the IRS was

616
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: not super happy.

617
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: So it still had not secured the religious exemption.

618
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: No that was not until much later.

619
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 4: Now.

620
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: The Guardian's Office also used their connections to the US

621
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: government to dig up dirt on their political enemies, particularly

622
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: journalists who dared to write about them. According to the

623
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: La Times quote, the Guardian Office saved the worst for

624
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: author Paulette Cooper of New York City, who's scathing nineteen

625
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: seventy two book, The Scandal of Scientology pushed her in

626
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: the top of the church's roster of enemies. Among other things,

627
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: Cooper was framed on criminal charges by the Guardian Office

628
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: members who obtained stationary she had touched and then use

629
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: it to forge bomb threats to the church in her name.

630
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: You're like the Nazis or the Arabs. I'll bomb you,

631
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: I'll kill you, warn't one of the rambling letters. The

632
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: church reported these threats to the FBI and sent the

633
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: fury of the bureau crashing down on poor Paulette Cooper.

634
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: She was indicted by a grand jury for making bomb

635
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: threats and for lying under oath about having made the

636
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: bomb threats. The truth did eventually come out, but it

637
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: took two years and cost Paulette twenty thousand dollars in

638
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: legal fees and six thousand dollars in psychiatric treatment. Now,

639
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: Hubbard actually hated Paul that enough that he had the

640
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: Guardian's Office dedicated an entire operation to destroying her, code

641
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: named freak out. I found an article where she recites

642
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: a small list of the things they did before reporting

643
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: those fake bomb threats to the FBI.

644
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: What are you doing today, honey, We're destroying this one woman.

645
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: We're destroying this lady. She wrote a book.

646
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're in Q two. I'm hoping by Q four

647
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: she'll be contemplating suicide.

648
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: You know, that's the goal. You know, we all get

649
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: a bonus if it happens before Q four?

650
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: Did the agents who infiltrated the irs, like ninety nine

651
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: percent of the time have to just keep up their

652
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 2: cover by doing things returned?

653
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: I think?

654
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: So, I want to know if a scientologist operative ever

655
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: just processed my taxes by chance?

656
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: Well not if you were filing taxes in the late seventies.

657
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: Yeah maybe, Yeah, that's I have a very bad tax cheat,

658
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 2: which is I've been filing taxes since before I was born.

659
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: I'm hoping it'll pay off.

660
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop paying taxes, say plus column. Here's Paul

661
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: at Cooper quote. I soon got used to telephone death threats,

662
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: harassing calls in lawsuits. I was occasionally followed, often conspicuously,

663
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: as if to upset me, and people seem to be

664
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: trying to gain access to my apartment. Then, in the

665
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: basement of my small building, I discovered alligator clips on

666
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: my phone wires, likely the remnants of a phone tap. Next,

667
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: my cousin, who was also short and slim like me,

668
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: was in my apartment alone when a man arrived with

669
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: a flower delivery for me. When she opened the door,

670
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: the intruder pulled a gun out of the flowers and

671
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: put it to her temple. Fortunately, the gun jammed, misfired,

672
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: or was empty. The man then began to choke her,

673
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: and then when she pulled a way and screamed, he

674
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: ran off. The police said afterward that they were mystified

675
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: because there appeared to be no motive for the attack.

676
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: I quickly moved to a safer, dormant building, but soon

677
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: afterwards three hundred of my new neighbors received an anonymous

678
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: smear letter about me, outrageously describing me as a part

679
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: time prostitute with venereal disease.

680
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: They really showed control with the part time though, they're like, don't.

681
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: Not a full time yea wow, Yeah, that's like that's.

682
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 3: A you know, the reason why they choose part time

683
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 3: too is that they're like, she can't even be a

684
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 3: full prostitute.

685
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: That's a different way to take it, but you know.

686
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: It's the one they took, Yeah, varsity sex work.

687
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: Yet yeah, she can't. She can't entirely subsist off of that,

688
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: So she's got to do the writing books about scientology

689
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: thing as an off game.

690
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 4: There's just wors lies and worst lies.

691
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, much as I do love talking about the

692
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: wacky schemes of l Ron Hubbard, it's important to remember

693
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: that for every botched fake hit and run, which is

694
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: just genuinely whimsical and funny, someone like Paul Atte Cooper

695
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: was subjected to insane, almost unimagined torment for the crime

696
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: of writing a book that angered l four. Well, it

697
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: seems like it might have been actually just a torture technique,

698
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: like where they were never planning to shoot her, but

699
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: like that's a thing that you'll do. Like I talked

700
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: to someone who was in an Iranian prison and torture

701
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: for a while, and fake executions were a common thing.

702
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: The ciated it too with people who captured in Iraq,

703
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: where you put a gun to their head and pull

704
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: the trigger but it's not loaded, because like that just

705
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: really fucks with people, I guess.

706
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: Because he went on to Choker and it makes you

707
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: imagine like he really was sent a killer, but a

708
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: jam is also pretty unlikely.

709
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, like as a torture rehearsal, like uh like just

710
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 4: just to fuck her up.

711
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like like yeah, they'll execute a prisoner of

712
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: war with a son that has no bullet right to

713
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: like to be psychological. Now.

714
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, back in Operation snow White, over the months and year,

715
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: Scientology spies had made their way into the Department of Justice,

716
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: placing an operative as the secretary to an assistant US

717
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: attorney who handled them mountain of Foyer requests by the

718
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: Church Freedom of Information Act requests. This was the surface

719
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: legitimate goal of Operations snow White. Hubbard framed it as

720
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: a perfectly legal blizzard of freedom of information requests aimed

721
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: at trying to figure out just why so many people

722
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: thought the Church of Scientology was a nefarious entity.

723
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: Now, because yeah, I'm usually pro Foyer. Toya has been

724
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: a force for good mostly yep.

725
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: Not in this case. So because many of these Foyer

726
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: requests pertained to records that were critical and ongoing investigations

727
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: into the church's rampant criminal activity, the church would be

728
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: denied the right to see them, which is, you know,

729
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: part of how FOYA works. The church's man and the

730
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: Justice Department would be able to like know when they

731
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: were like okay with the request of this document, it's

732
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: being denied, and so he would get a copy of

733
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,239
Speaker 1: the document they were getting denied and then smuggle them

734
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: out to church authorities. So this is why they were

735
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: placed in what sent everyone was on, Yeah, exactly.

736
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: Now.

737
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: The IRS was l Ron Hubbard's greatest nemesis outside of

738
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: the concept of psychiatry, and they were where his guardian

739
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: office focused most of its efforts. At one point, an

740
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: office operative managed to bug an IRIS conference room by

741
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: wiring a re quarter into a wall socket that allowed

742
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: him to listening on agency meetings via his car's FM radio.

743
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: And another point two scientologists use their faked IRS credentials

744
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: to get inside government archives and photocopy documents related to

745
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: the Church. Now, the head of Operation snow White was

746
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: again Mary Sue Hubbard, and when it all came crashing

747
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 1: down spoiler, she is the one who would take legal blame.

748
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: But basically everyone who has studied the Church or Hubbard

749
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: agrees that he was the center of the whole conspiracy.

750
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

751
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 3: It's almost like people who are scared that everything is

752
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 3: conspiracy make conspiracy.

753
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: Do nothing but create conspiracies.

754
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the worldview and it's it seems like every

755
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 2: everything is the mafia. Like everything works like the to

756
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 2: get you right, it's the same, you just shift the.

757
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 3: Blank and there's the you know, concept of the lieutenants

758
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 3: or made men kind of stuff.

759
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: Avon's in the clink for a year, but we got

760
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: Stringer on the outside. He can run messages to weibe

761
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: whatever you need. Yeah.

762
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: And in l Ron Hubbard's case, he's he's Avon Barksdale.

763
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: I guess he never.

764
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 3: Spends time in a secon because he's a mythical He's

765
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: more of a mythic figure.

766
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. I do think this is also the first time

767
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 2: I've heard of spy work that is too boring to

768
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: contemplate doing.

769
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,479
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Like, do you want to be a spy?

770
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, Okay, go into this I R S office

771
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: and install a bug. That's kind of cool. Now, sit

772
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: in a van and listen to what I r S

773
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 2: people say all day.

774
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: Drive around listening to the I r S radio.

775
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 4: Are we cops.

776
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: Kind of the opposite of cops?

777
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 2: New cops Spock cops backwards spot cops.

778
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: That's not how that works the cops.

779
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: It is cops backwards spot because there's illogical.

780
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: I've always said that that Commander Spock is the opposite

781
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: of a copy. Yeah, you know why.

782
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: The blue uniform. No, that does.

783
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 4: Profser I'm looking for the fun.

784
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really didn't have anything there. You're just hoping

785
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: something I was opody was.

786
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 4: Somebody comedy? Now, yeah, and we failed.

787
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: Logical you do for your badge guns.

788
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: Right back at my feet?

789
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 4: Number four.

790
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: I you know, I hate the genocide they were complicit in,

791
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: but they're damn good. Shove throwing bagels, really good throwing bagels.

792
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 2: Friday and slip shoving bagels, those are different bagels. You

793
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: need a littler bagel. Most orifices are small bagel bytes,

794
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 2: good for show.

795
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: I put bagel bites. The throwing bagels can be big.

796
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: Shoving bagels need to be small enough to fit in

797
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: most holes to just.

798
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 4: Kind of ease in there.

799
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 2: Call me old fashioned, but I like just a good

800
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: old fashioned walking bagel, a little walk around town.

801
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 4: Just you can grab on it. Yeah, not gone too

802
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 4: much on the outside. That's a good walking bagel.

803
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 2: Back to evil.

804
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: I was ready to shoving bagels more because you know,

805
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: if it's bagel bites, they make their own loop.

806
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: Do they? Now?

807
00:36:59,360 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: Back to science.

808
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 2: Michael Meisner, Yeah, real good.

809
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: Michael Meisner, who was the fake victim of the fake

810
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 1: hit and run aimed at destroying the mayor of Clearwater,

811
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: was also a major part of Operation snow White. He

812
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: personally broke into the Department of Justice several times and

813
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: organized the copying of tens of thousands of secret files.

814
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: Under Meisner's direction, decoding equipment was installed to provide direct,

815
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: secure communication between church headquarters in the Clearwater and the

816
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: Guardian's office in Los Angeles. After Virginia o Ron, Hubbard

817
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: himself wound up hiding next on Overland Avenue in Culver City, California. Literally, yeah,

818
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: that was about a block away from my first home

819
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles.

820
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.

821
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where Hubbard hit after he decided he'd spent

822
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: too much time in Georgetown and he had to get

823
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: out of the East Coast.

824
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 2: Wow.

825
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

826
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. So in mid nineteen seventy six, with Operation snow

827
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: White at its height and Hubbard living in his third

828
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: undisclosed location since returning to dry Land a year ago,

829
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: Mary Sue Hubbard finally joined back up with her husband

830
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: to warn him about some major problems not related to

831
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: the fact that they were conducting the largest infiltration of

832
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: the federal government US history.

833
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 4: See.

834
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 1: It turns out that living on a series of boats

835
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: and searching for gold for like a decade, committing a

836
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: vast and dizzy and crey of financial crime, spying on

837
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: the government, living in a series of safe houses is

838
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: kind of bad for someone's family life.

839
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: He blew up those imaginary submarines.

840
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did blow up those submarines.

841
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, claiming it And didn't the racist guy do

842
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 4: it too?

843
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: Yes?

844
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: Yes, theged like Rockwell, they made the same lie.

845
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 3: So it's almost like there's a it's a continuity of

846
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 3: liars and like wanting to be awesome and making your

847
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 3: own mess.

848
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 1: You know that song Everybody Wants to Rule the World.

849
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: It's like that, but with blowing up a Japanese summer.

850
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it's like cred in those circles.

851
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

852
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: So yeah.

853
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: Things were not great with the Hubbard family at this

854
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: point in time. His daughter Diana's marriage was falling apart,

855
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: his son Quentin was ostensibly in the Sea York, but

856
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: was constantly out of pocket and battling crippling depression, And

857
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: worst of all, al Ron Hubbard's daughter Susette was dating

858
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: non scientologists. Now, Mary Sue suggested that all of these

859
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: problems could be solved by providing the family with a

860
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: little bit more stability. So, using some of the church's

861
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: literally infinite funds, they bought a gigantic compound in southern

862
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: California named La Quinta. The family moved in that October.

863
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: For a while, all was well. The Commodore's messengers noted

864
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 1: that he seemed to be much more relaxed and happier

865
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: after moving into his new ranch. This did not last long.

866
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 1: On Wednesday, November seventeenth, nineteen seventy six, Hubbard received dire

867
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: news his son Quentin had been found dead in his

868
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: car in Las Vegas, the victim of a successful suicide.

869
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: Mary Sue wept. L Ron Hubbard screamed that stupid, fucking kid,

870
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: That stupid fucking kid. Look at what he's done to me.

871
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 2: Whoop, Yeah, what happened to blame in the Thetans dude. Yeah,

872
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: like he should fall to his knees and go theta Duz.

873
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 4: I will stole my boy state Thetans.

874
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's tragic.

875
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. According to bear Face Messiah quote, the Guardian's office, meanwhile,

876
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: had moved swiftly to handle the situation. It's local representative

877
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas was a pit boss at the Sands

878
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: Hotel by the name of Ed Walters. I had been

879
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: working as a covert operator for about eight years, he

880
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: said him. I had secretly tape recorded a psychiatrist and

881
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: got him to talk about lobotomies to try and discredit him.

882
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: And I had bugged the meetings of the Clark County

883
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: Mental Health Association. Things like that. I worked on anything

884
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: that ORG considered to be a threat to the Hubbards.

885
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: Who's he saying this too?

886
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: This is what he said to the author of Bare

887
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: Face Messiah.

888
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: Okay, so you he presumably got Yeah, he.

889
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: Left the church at some point. He was just a

890
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: classic casino pit boss slash spy for the Church of Scientology.

891
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: There's your connection right here.

892
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 4: So what info is he getting though? Look stuff like this.

893
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: They want dirt on a psychiatrist. So he gets this

894
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: guy drunk and bugs him talking about committing LOBOTOI yeah, yes, I.

895
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: Guess lebotomy is are pretty cool. We should do more.

896
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: You ching another goodass day for Ed Walters. So anyway,

897
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: this is a Walters again quote. When they found out

898
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: Hinton was here, I was told to get a hold

899
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 1: of all of his medical files. There was apparently evidence

900
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: that he had had a homosexual encounter shortly before he

901
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: was found, and they didn't want anything like that to

902
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: get out. There was a girl scientologist working in the

903
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: hospital in a very secure position, and she got all

904
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: the reports on Quentin and gave them to me, and

905
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: I handed them over to the Guardian's office. Quentin was

906
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: cremated the next day. Those who knew him suggest that

907
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: he probably just wanted out of scientology, but couldn't think

908
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: of a way to do so without ending his own life.

909
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: According to Ed Walters, you don't just leave something like scientology.

910
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 1: You quit and then instantly become an enemy. He knew

911
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: his father violently attacked anyone who betrayed him, and he

912
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: knew that the Guardian's Office would be after him as

913
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: a trader. He had grown up in scientology and would

914
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: have been tremendously afraid of the world out there, full

915
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: of wogs and evil people. I guess he just couldn't

916
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: handle it.

917
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: Now, el Ron Horvard probably would have yelled the same

918
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: thing if he had less scientology instead of killing or

919
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: what has he done to me?

920
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: Yeah? What has he done to me? Right? It's one

921
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: of those things. It's crazy because like, of course they

922
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: have some people in Vegas, like He's like they have

923
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: this pit boss in Vegas, and they have like a

924
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: lady working at a hospital. But like, I feel like

925
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: at this point you get the feeling that at this

926
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: point in the church's history they have people like that

927
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 1: in pretty much every.

928
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: City, every major city.

929
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got scientologists scattered around who they can trust

930
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: to like, yeah, we need you to get some pull

931
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: some medical records for us, We need you to bug

932
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: this conversation, we need you to get this guy waste

933
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: or whatever.

934
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 3: That's almost the more baffling part, because I can I

935
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 3: can wrap my head around the concept of crazy people

936
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 3: doing crazy stuff because they.

937
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 4: Want to be awesome. Yeah, but the fact that they

938
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 4: convince in mass.

939
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 3: All these people have different walks of life that are

940
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: applicable in the way of like, oh I can get

941
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 3: I can get information from them, Like that's just what

942
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: is that demographic.

943
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: Well, instance, you got to keep in mind one of

944
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: the things he's saying at this point in time, this is,

945
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, the Cold War is pretty ornery in like

946
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: the late seventies. This is not that long before Red

947
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 1: Dawn comes out, So fears high, fear is high.

948
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 4: Elroon Hubbard.

949
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: One of the ways he's billing scientology is like this

950
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: is the tech, which is like his term for their

951
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 1: their religious stuff, that this is what's going to save

952
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: the world. This is going to like make a nuclear

953
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: war possible. So he like, all of you are like

954
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: as as like the guardians of this sacred knowledge that

955
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: I've brought from space. All of you are like integral

956
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: in saving the world. So these people like view themselves

957
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: as secret agents, you know, in the cause of the

958
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: salvation of humanity. Which if you're just like a pit

959
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: boss or a lady work in the mid level position

960
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 1: at a hospital and you want some excitement in your life,

961
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: it's cool, right, Like you get to be a secret

962
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: spy bug, these evil psychiatrists or whatever.

963
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: Also ironic that the only place he didn't be foul

964
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: with horrendous crimes is space, Like this only place he's

965
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: innocent the undergrounds.

966
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: Oh he did try to. He wrote letters to NASA

967
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: saying that like, you're not going to get into space

968
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 1: without our help.

969
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: That's why I mentioned it is. I bet your bottom

970
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: butt that this is a guy who genuinely wanted to

971
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: go to space. You know, I mean I used to

972
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 2: read a sci fi books because I write all sci

973
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: fi books, and it was genuine. He loves space, He

974
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 2: loves and space. We're all grateful that he didn't make

975
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: it there.

976
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: No, it didn't need l Ron Hubbard. You know what

977
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: else doesn't need l Ron Hubbard? The wonderful products and

978
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: services that support the show with they're advertising dollars.

979
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: Why would they They're fully actualized.

980
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 1: They're fully actualized. I've heard about these these services, yes,

981
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: and the products. Uh huh. All right, well, let's all

982
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: hear about them some more. We're back now. I want

983
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 1: to be clear here. When I quoted mister Walters earlier,

984
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: he said that l. Ron Hubbard's son was scared of

985
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: a world filled with wogs and evil people. Now, my

986
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: Australian listeners will note that the word wog is a

987
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: racial slur in that country, but it also has a

988
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: totally separate meaning in scientology, so Walters was not being

989
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: racist against anyone there. L Ron Hubbard used the term

990
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: wogs to refer to normal people who were not members

991
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: of his sweet ass space cult. He to find a

992
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: wog as quote muggle and it sounds like, yeah it is,

993
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: and it's yeah, Hubbard said, a wog is quote a

994
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: common everyday garden variety humanoid. He is a body, he

995
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: doesn't know he's here, et cetera. He isn't there as

996
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: a spirit at all. He is not operating as a Thetan.

997
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 4: He's such a special boy.

998
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: He's not a special.

999
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: Operating as a thet Yeah. I still don't even because

1000
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 2: I thought you were trying to get rid of the theme.

1001
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: Well, but you are a Thetan too, right, I think? So,

1002
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: like you're not operating, you don't realize you're a space

1003
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: ghost and try to inside a meat sock.

1004
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's good Thetans and there's cheating themes.

1005
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: So and you're saying they had locations all across the

1006
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 2: us at this time.

1007
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're fucking everywhere.

1008
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 2: Man, sounds like there's space ghost.

1009
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: Coast to coast. All right, well, the episode's over.

1010
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: That that joke's all we needed.

1011
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: See you guys next week.

1012
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 2: I'm sorry we pre wrote that. We're all scientology.

1013
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 4: We talked about.

1014
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: Really selling it.

1015
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: Hey, that wasn't an actor.

1016
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 4: That's that's true.

1017
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: That might have been Tom Cruise. Probably not, definitely not.

1018
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: Shouldn't be landering a rich millionaires.

1019
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: He also runs too fast to ever believably be hit

1020
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: by a car, and I just wouldn't buy it.

1021
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: I also think if he if he came after you

1022
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: wanted to kill you, he probably do the job. Oh yeah,

1023
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: I feel like Tom Cruise could have very easily been

1024
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: a special Forces guy or a murderer for hire.

1025
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 3: I mean, this is the kind of guy that with

1026
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 3: his fuck off money, he just has like a compound

1027
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 3: where he learns martial arts, where.

1028
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: He learns how to destroy things.

1029
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 2: So you were worried about the legal ramifications of slandering

1030
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 2: him by saying he might have been that guy, But

1031
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: you immediately also want to say he's probably good at murdering.

1032
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think he would be the

1033
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 1: first to admit.

1034
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 2: That he would be hypothetically a great murderer.

1035
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: When you talk to guys who like do like train

1036
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: Hollywood actors for gun stuff, the two people they note

1037
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: as being like these guys don't really need any help

1038
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: is Tom Cruise and.

1039
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 4: The all big movies he's been. He had to shoot guns.

1040
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 2: And if you see him behind the scenes, he's just

1041
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: tries hard.

1042
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, heah, he works really hard. Yeah, he's a great guy. Now,

1043
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: you remember those two Scientology agents who orchestrated the Department

1044
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: of Justice breaking back in seventy six. Well after eleven

1045
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: months on the lamb, in early nineteen seventy seven, one

1046
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: of them broke and became an informant to the FBI.

1047
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: The bureau had been on his case for the break in,

1048
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: but the full story of the church's infiltration of the

1049
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: US government was complete news to them. They opened a

1050
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: massive investigation into scientology sweeping infiltration of the United States government.

1051
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,439
Speaker 1: The investigation would culminate in a June nineteen seventy seven

1052
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: raid that is still one of the largest raids in

1053
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: the history of the FBI. One hundred and thirty four

1054
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: agents with crowbars and sledgehammers, tore through Scientology, HQ, and DC,

1055
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: as well as their offices in Los Angeles. They carted

1056
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: away tens of thousands of documents, including the plans for

1057
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: Project Normandy, revealing the church's secret goal to establish area

1058
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: control in the city of clear Water. The resulting court

1059
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: case led to eleven scientologists, including l Ron Hubbard's wife,

1060
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: Mary Sue, being convicted and sentenced to up to five

1061
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: years in federal prison. L Ron Hubbard was named by

1062
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: the grand jury as an unindicted co conspirator, a term

1063
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: we all know very well now, but the seas file

1064
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: should not link him directly to any crimes. He maintained

1065
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: his innocence up until the very end. According to the

1066
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: Justice Department quote, the crime committed by these defendants is

1067
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: of a breadth and scope previously unheard of. No business office,

1068
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: desk or file was safe from their snooping and prying.

1069
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 1: No individual or organization was free from their despicable conspiratorial minds.

1070
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 1: The tools of their trade were miniature transmitters, lockpicks, secret codes,

1071
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: forged credentials, in any other device they found necessary to

1072
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: carry out their conspiratorial schemes. By the way, it's worth

1073
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: noting that while this is happening at the height of

1074
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: the Cold War, the Soviet government never managed to infiltrate

1075
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: the United States and nearly as comprehensive or extensive a

1076
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: fashion as the Church of Scientology did.

1077
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 2: It seems like they should have been trying to infiltrate

1078
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: the Church of Science. It's like, talk to the people

1079
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 2: who really are making progress.

1080
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, they now, those are the facts of the case

1081
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: as they exist in reality, But they are not the

1082
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: facts of the cases admitted by the Church of sciencelogy.

1083
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: In the immediate aftermath of the raid, they accused the

1084
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: FBI of Gestapo like brutality, which would be true if

1085
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: the Gestapo handed out five year sentences from massive and

1086
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: sweeping and filtrations of the Third Reich. Rather than just shooting.

1087
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 2: People, they had crowbars.

1088
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: They had crowbar The Stand League builds itself as an

1089
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: advocacy group of scientologists fighting bigotry against their religion. The

1090
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: name is an acronym for scientologists taking action against discrimination.

1091
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: You have to use the in and against for the acronym,

1092
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: which is a really great acronym. We all cut corners

1093
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Speaker 1: now and again. I use expired throwing bagels like nobody's perfect.

1094
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Speaker 1: I found an article published on the stand League's website

1095
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: about the snow White Program. Here's how they describe it.

1096
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Speaker 1: The snow White Program refers to the program written by

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Speaker 1: Scientology founder el Ron Hubbard in nineteen seventy three for

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00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: the purpose of legally correcting and expunging the plethora of

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00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: false government reports about the Church of Scientology, it's leaders

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Speaker 1: and members through strictly legal means.

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Speaker 2: It's for legal legal twice yeah. Ps.

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Speaker 3: Legals think about the word legal and think of me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The Stanley asserts that Elroon Hubbard did not remotely

1104
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 1: contemplate anything illegal, of course not. Who's famous law follower

1105
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: l Ron Hubbard, who's got two thumbs in his legal

1106
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: this guy guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta get back on my boat.

1108
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to kidnap my baby again.

1109
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 2: Oh my wife though, damn it sucks. How she sucks?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's rough.

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Speaker 1: Now it is impossible to disprove that to a point

1113
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: of certainty, which is why l Ron Hubbard himself was

1114
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: never convicted of anything. But I want to emphasize this,

1115
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: come the funk on.

1116
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 2: We all know all of this information.

1117
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 4: It's true.

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Speaker 1: Now we're not done with the story of l Ron

1119
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: Hubbard yet. And in our next episode, which I'm very

1120
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Speaker 1: excited for, we're going to talk about the last phase

1121
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: of his life where he became an autor filmmaker and

1122
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: a singer.

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Speaker 4: Hell yeah, hell yes, hell you believe.

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Speaker 1: L RH hasn't as much?

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Speaker 2: Then it doesn't even Battlefield Earth?

1126
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh buddy, does it involve Battlefield? Yeah?

1127
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 2: What a juicy treat. At the end of so many

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00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 2: people come on the show and at some point in

1129
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,919
Speaker 2: the hour ago, Yeah, this has been really depressing. Thanks

1130
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 2: for having me. Yeah, I feel like you got all

1131
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: the sad stuff out of the way. I mean, that's

1132
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 2: been sad shit. But man, the next one's gonna be

1133
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Speaker 2: a tree.

1134
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: It is gonna be a treat. But before we close

1135
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Speaker 1: this episode out, I'd like to talk a little bit

1136
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,919
Speaker 1: more about the town of Clearwater, Florida. Now, the Fort

1137
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: Harrison Hotel was renamed by the Church of Scientology to

1138
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: flag Land Base. After renovations were finished, it became and

1139
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: is today the chief training center for scientologists studying the

1140
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: highest levels of whatever the hell scientology is. Since nineteen

1141
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: eighty three, scientologists have died at Flag Base. One of

1142
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: those dead was a young woman named Lisa McPherson, who

1143
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: died of a blood clot caused by dehydration in bed

1144
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: rest after seventeen days locked in Room one seventy four

1145
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: of the former hotels. Josephus Heavineth was found dead in

1146
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: a bathtub in his room. The water was hot enough

1147
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: to have burned his skin off. The official cause of

1148
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: death was drowning, but the coroner noted that he was

1149
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: found with his head above the water line. Herbert Faff

1150
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: died of a seizure in the hotel after he ceased

1151
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 1: taking his seizure medication in favor of a Scientology approved

1152
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: vitamin program.

1153
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 2: And this is the hotel from the shining you're describing this, Yeah,

1154
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: that's essentially hotel.

1155
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: What they turned this building into.

1156
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: Go in room one seventy four, don't.

1157
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety seven alone, the Clearwater Police received one

1158
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty emergency calls from Flag Base. At no

1159
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: point were they allowed to enter. For most of Scientology history,

1160
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: the church was in constant arrears for failure to pay

1161
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: state and local property taxes. Scientology was brought to court

1162
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: numerous times by the city and the irs for this

1163
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: Luckily for the church, they eventually succeeded in having Scientology

1164
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: to cleared a religion, which granted them tax exempt status.

1165
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: The way they did this was pretty fascinating. They basically

1166
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: bombarded the IRS as an organization and individual IRS executives

1167
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: with lawsuits until they got their way. We'll probably talk

1168
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: about that in the Tail in a later episode. According

1169
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: to a recent report in the Tampa Bay Times, the

1170
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: Church of Scientology currently owns more than two hundred and

1171
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars in property in downtown clear Water. Most

1172
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: of these buildings are empty and undeveloped, and many in

1173
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: Clearwater blame the church for the fact that downtown Clearwater

1174
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 1: has remained incredibly underdeveloped compared to downtown Saint Petersburg and Tampa.

1175
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: The church is able to exercise a huge amount of

1176
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: control over the city of Clearwater due to their ownership

1177
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 1: of much of its downtown area and then economic power

1178
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: of their religion. According to FSU News quote, Scientology leader

1179
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:22,240
Speaker 1: David Miscavige introduced a retail strategy to Clearwater's Community Redevelopment Agency.

1180
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: The plan requires use of not just property owned by

1181
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: the church, but at also every property in a three

1182
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: block by four block area that encompasses all of downtown.

1183
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: The plan involves attracting a few major retail brands and

1184
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: then filling open spaces with hand picked businesses, similar to

1185
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: an outdoor mall. The proposal will give the church total

1186
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: control over the downtown area in regards to development and

1187
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: management of properties. The church's redevelopment plan has not yet

1188
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 1: been made public, nor will it be subject to a vote. Cool,

1189
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: why do you need that?

1190
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 3: Like?

1191
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 2: Why? I don't understand what the area he's like? This

1192
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 2: church is important to me. I made trillions of dollars,

1193
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 2: but I need area control. What's area control? Well? I

1194
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 2: want to decide if there's a Sparrows or you know,

1195
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 2: an old spaghetti factory there. Well, and this is wanted

1196
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: to be what I wanted to be. This is who

1197
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: gives a ship, dude.

1198
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: This is the decision of his predecessor. Because for l

1199
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 1: Ron Hubbard taking over this town which the church controls

1200
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: like forty years later today, this was like a two

1201
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: week project for him, right like he was he was

1202
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: there for like a month or so. El Roonn Hubbard

1203
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: himself never spent more than a couple of days actually

1204
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: inside the city limits. Of clear Water, like they still

1205
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: control this and it was just sort of a vague

1206
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: plan of his for a couple of weeks before he

1207
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: moved up to Georgetown Town.

1208
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Speaker 4: I like it with these mythic figures.

1209
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, like uh uh, the entire sea org is just

1210
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 3: like whatever he said, what beautiful drippings came out of

1211
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 3: his horrible mom You need to make that a religion.

1212
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 4: Because there's only so much that he said.

1213
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he said a lot, but it's like there's

1214
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: still people in Clearwater who have to deal with the

1215
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: consequences of l Ron Hubbard's passing fancy right, yeah every day.

1216
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 4: Well, I guess we have to justify this ship.

1217
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: So kind of want to go there now because I

1218
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 2: didn't know there existed like a company town for scientology. Yeah, sure,

1219
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 2: I gotta imagine, because they're freaking annoying to be around.

1220
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: They must have pushed out anyone who had an easy

1221
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: opportunity to leave or felt like so by now forty

1222
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 2: years later. I just want to go to a town

1223
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 2: where you're like ninety percent there and everyone around you

1224
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 2: as a scientologist at all time, or another person gawking

1225
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 2: at all the scientologists.

1226
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 3: I wonder, I wonder if there's ever at the time

1227
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 3: like he would listen to music or like it was

1228
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 3: really the stand up comedian and would like watch it

1229
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 3: and stuff. And then everyone was like, I guess that's

1230
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 3: another god amongst us.

1231
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: You get the feeling from l Ron Hubbard that he

1232
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: did not consume a lot of other people's media, right.

1233
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 4: That's probably true.

1234
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, we will be talking about Star Wars a little

1235
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: bit in the next episode.

1236
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 4: I can't wait.

1237
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: This is gonna be It is gonna be great. But first,

1238
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: you know what else is going to be great? What

1239
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: is y'all plugging your pluggables? Oh yeah, yeah, we're in

1240
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Speaker 1: the Pizzo.

1241
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 2: Please to the zone.

1242
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 4: I thought that's the pizza zone.

1243
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 2: What's the cookie with that? That's a pazuki the p zone,

1244
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Speaker 2: and we'll blast you with theka full of pazookies.

1245
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Speaker 1: All right, guys, we have things we do throwing bagels

1246
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1247
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Speaker 2: I am pitching a Fraser episode that I think will

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Speaker 1: to my other podcast It could happen here. If you

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Speaker 1: want to be sad, it will. It will make your

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Speaker 1: day worse with knowledge. Listen to it. And I have

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Speaker 1: a Twitter in an Instagram at Bastards pod well Sophie

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Speaker 1: runs both of those. I don't understand Instagram. It frightens

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Speaker 1: and confuses me. But you can look at those things.

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Speaker 1: They exist, They're in the world. We have a website

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Speaker 1: behind the Bastards dot com where you can find all

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Speaker 1: the sources for this, including bare Face Messiah, which you

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Speaker 1: can find free online. I think it's out of copyright.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I did buy a copy of it,

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Speaker 1: but you can also find it for free online.

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Speaker 2: The chance the church got a little of your money,

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Speaker 2: Well no they don't.

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Speaker 1: They didn't publish that book. They do not like that book.

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Speaker 1: It's a hell of a read, though, Like the speaking

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Speaker 1: of cutting room floors. As we were earlier, the number

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Speaker 1: of LRH stories that I didn't include in this podcast

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Speaker 1: just because I couldn't make a fourteen hour podcast about

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Speaker 1: al Ron Hubbard fucking wild. Anyway, I'm going to throw

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Speaker 1: some bagels. Y'all, continue your commute or your poop. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the episode's over. Behind the Bastards is a production of

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Speaker 1: cool Zone Media. For more from cool Zone Media, visit

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Speaker 1: our website cool zonemedia dot com, or check us out

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Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcasts.