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Speaker 2: See ring Rose Grants from the Athletic. They covered the

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Speaker 2: and hey, this is a big, big headline, especially with

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Speaker 2: We're you surprised about the timing and how much of

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Speaker 1: Honestly, wasn't that surprised. You know, this is a team organization.

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Speaker 1: Last year when Rhet Lauder had a chance to come

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Speaker 1: And so it's exactly what they told Chase Burns last

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Speaker 3: Hey, Trent, I want to ask a question that last

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna take AJ's question here that he's asking to pass.

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Speaker 3: Who do you go with in the draft? You know,

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Speaker 4: From not being who we thought they were gonna be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough, you know, you always kind of think

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Speaker 5: Okay, Trent C Trent, which one is it?

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Speaker 1: Is it Trent or C. Trent. It's both, but Trent's fine.

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Speaker 2: What is every show?

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Speaker 1: I know? But I want to know what the C

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Speaker 5: Charles, Charles, Charlie, You're Charlie from now on, Charlie, by

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Speaker 5: the way, Burnt, well, Charlie, you're not not.

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Speaker 2: Those are your options. He just gave them to you,

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Speaker 5: Because I heard a called a lot of things that

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Speaker 5: Scott tried to nick himself. That's how you get a nickname, Scott,

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Speaker 5: you give it to someone else. Now, Trim, all right, Seriously,

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Speaker 4: We all know this.

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Speaker 1: But honestly, from what I've talked to Chase and the

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Speaker 1: They're they're just over the moon. I mean they wanted

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Speaker 5: It's weird, though, Trent. Did you know the Reds, unlike

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Speaker 1: Let's see what you got.

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Speaker 5: But that's to me, that is awesome of the kid.

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Speaker 1: I believe in you, right and and and you know

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Speaker 1: Would hope, so he's yeah, you would really hope. So

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Speaker 2: Hey, we point out when we're wrong, but I'm going

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Speaker 2: to point out when we're right, and our show was

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Speaker 5: Right before we let you go through and I got

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Speaker 5: Did you have to read that before you hot, before

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Speaker 5: Oh so it's a picture book. It's a picture book,

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