WEBVTT - Colm Dillane 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:03.640 My name is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:08.440 is Joy. I talk to interest in people about what 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:17.240 brings them happiness. Meet Coln de Lane, young emerging American entrepreneur, 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:21.800 slash artists slash genius who's turning his fashion brand Kid 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:24.840 Super into a global phenomenon. 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:26.680 I have a listen to this kid. 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:36.280 That's all right, you should collapse, you know, that would 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:40.840 be hilarious fashion Week all that body corpses. 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:44.360 That'd be awesome. 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:46.680 I think it's a good idea. I just don't know 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:47.920 how tasteful. 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:51.239 Yeah, yeah, I know it's it's kind of thing we're 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:53.880 on and we're talking, but the just so as you know, 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:58.200 we are now being recorded. Sorry, but you think then 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:02.480 the idea of fashion all dead bodies, that's my idea 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.040 that you just but you don't think it's gonna. 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:08.640 Work on record if it comes from your idea. And 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:10.640 then I just did it and I was like, well 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:13.160 it was Craig, you know, it was so adamant about this. 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:15.040 Yeah, but I don't get to bill you around. 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:17.560 You're the You're the wonder Ken, You're the You're the face, 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:23.640 the emerging face of American nay the world well fashion, yes, 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.920 but as the face of American fashion is quite funny 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:27.880 to even think about it. 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:33.520 But if we propped up dead bodies and just like just. 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:35.200 Oh you thought they were propped I thought they were 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.160 just open casket, Well you just analyze the look. 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:39.840 Well, how can you how can you look at them? 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:41.679 I mean that, then it's not going to work. 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:44.560 No, No, you like treat it truly like a funeral, 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:46.880 where instead of like going up to see them and cry, 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:48.360 you just like go up and be like, wow, it's 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:49.640 a great outfit that. 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:52.680 You know what see, this is why you are. You're 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:53.360 who you are. 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.440 Do people call you kid Super because the brand's called 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:58.680 kid Super? Do like do you do people say hey, 0:01:58.800 --> 0:01:59.480 KD Super? 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:00.360 Yes? 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:03.400 And if they don't know me, right, and my first 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:06.240 name is a little weird for Americans. 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.600 Call them yeah, call them yeah. It's uh, I grew 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:11.080 up with a little guy. It's called call them yeah. 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:14.200 But so if you call me kid or kid Super, 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.200 it's usually you don't know me super super. 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:16.440 Well. 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:19.399 Well, and here's the thing as well, though, you don't 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.960 want people calling you kid for a long time because 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:26.080 then you get into the kid rock scenario, which I 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:29.560 actually I've thought about this. Right, there's Kid Rock, there's 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:33.640 Kid Cuddy, right, and as they've grown older, you forget 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:34.960 the meaning of kid. 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:37.160 It just becomes the name. 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:39.880 All right, I get it. So so, so your name 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:42.960 is Kid. You're just like, oh, it's just a sound. Yeah, 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:44.840 but I think Colm's a lovely name. And I think 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.360 your mom and dad were very proud to give you 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:48.000 that name. 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:54.160 Is Craig your real name. Weirdly, my real name is 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.040 Kid show Business. 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:01.359 Yeah, yeah, Craig is Craig is like the male version 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:02.280 of being called Karen. 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:05.240 I think it is a little bit. I don't know, 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:06.920 not in America. Well maybe not. 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.480 Okay, So let's let's just get a bit of background 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.240 on you a little bit before we go in the 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.880 Fashion Genius. Well, actually, let's go into fashion genius a 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.280 little bit because I know, I know that you won 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.200 the Carl Lagerfeld Prize. 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.399 Do you ever meet Carl Lagerfeld? I did not. That's 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.720 a shame. My wife met him and he was amazing. 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:30.960 He was nice to her. Yeah, he said that. He said, 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:32.760 you look beautiful, he said to her. 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:34.320 I don't know if he said it like that, but well, 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.320 he has some of the best quotes every where. It's 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:41.880 like anyone who wears sweatpants doesn't care about their lives. Well, 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.960 you know, I mean, look, guy, he's not wrong. 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.360 He may have a point. I'm not saying he's right 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:50.000 all the time. But I think my number one seller 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:50.840 is sweatpants. 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.960 You sell sweatpants, but they're fancy sweatpants with an odd 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:55.720 design on them. 0:03:55.960 --> 0:04:00.520 They are cool sweatpants. Sweatpants took over I think, and 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:04.800 you know, I'm a comfortable guy, but I do wish 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.160 I lived in that era of fashion where you could 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:09.080 say these kind of outlandish things. 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:14.000 I think you can now, but I need the look 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.560 you look. Do you know what I was thinking about 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:17.440 you the other day because I was in Pittsburgh. Now, 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:20.480 I was in Pittsburgh and I saw a lot of 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:24.120 people in sweatpats. But I went to the Andy Warhol Museum, 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:27.080 and I have you been to that met I haven't. 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:30.000 It's really cool. You'd love it. But as I walked around, 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:33.880 I thought, you know what I met? Somebody really recently 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:37.080 reminds me. Are you influenced by Warhol? 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:38.200 Do you think? I think? 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:41.880 I mean, it's always funny because some people consider me 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.680 an artist. Some people consider me a fashion designer, blah blah, 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:48.280 blah blah. I never called myself either of the things. 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:51.000 I was just at a young age trying to make 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.919 things and trying to make them tangible and trying to 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:57.599 make them that some could someone could purchase, right, And 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:00.800 so that like kind of commercial aspect of it wasn't 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:03.680 so much like, oh, I'm this business genius. 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:05.520 It was like, Okay, I'm fifteen. 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:08.960 I need to figure out how to like make something 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.720 that can connect me with different people or turn into 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.279 a little bit of sales. And so I was always 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:16.400 really good at drawing, and I just started drawing on 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.000 T shirts and then I got what I loved about 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:22.000 fashion was it was like the easiest I mean, I 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.799 don't know, for me, it was art form to meet 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:28.520 new people, right, because it was like, oh, you might 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:32.279 come from completely different backgrounds, completely different interests, but might 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:34.919 both like the kids super T shirt. 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:37.640 But that's why the kind of war whole thing is 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:41.240 like Warhole collected people as well as art. And he 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:43.960 was very you know, and he went across a whole 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.039 lot of different areas and he had that kind of 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:50.440 artist as capitalist, which I kind of like, I really 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:54.680 like about you as well, man, you're quite unashamedly entrepreneurial, 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:57.200 which I love. It's not like there's not like a 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:00.599 phony rockn roll about it. It's real roken roll, Like, no, 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.479 this is going to be successful. I wanted to be successful. 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.200 Yeah, And I think also I was so out of 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.159 the art world and I was so out of the 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:11.760 fashion world that it wasn't like it didn't even feel possible. 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.480 So it wasn't like, oh, column if you're like, if 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:16.880 you have more integrity about your art or blah blah blah. 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:18.560 Like I was like, no one was treating me as 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.080 an artist. I was a kid in Brooklyn who majored 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:23.919 in mathematics and was a soccer player. So it was 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.240 like I was like just trying to hustle and bustle 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.000 for new opportunities, and like part of that was an 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:33.320 entrepreneurial spirit. But the entrepreneurial spirit came also from like 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.080 a little bit of the New York spirit is entrepreneurial. 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.360 Like no one moves here to just sit around and 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:41.480 move here to make it. You move here to enter 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:43.800 and like if you didn't move here for that, your 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:47.320 parents did, right, And so there is a push I 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.440 think to like kind of create your own lane. And 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:53.320 for me at a young age, I was very just entrepreneurial. 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.040 Well cause your parents moved here. 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.600 Your your mom's Spanish, right, yeah, and your dad's Irish. Yeah, 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:00.760 so that's that's a fiery company. 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:03.080 Do you have a bad temper? They do? They do 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:07.160 it kind of in the game. It was like a 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:08.600 doctor Phil growing up. 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.640 Well, it's just like they always fight about everything, and 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:15.160 so I had to be a little bit like, come on, guys, 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:18.200 the cabinet door being open, isn't this big of a deal. 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:22.960 That's really interesting. Do you think were you an only child? Yeah, yeah, 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.960 that's kind of interesting. So you are the you're the 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:29.120 genetic experiment between your mom's was an artist. 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:30.080 Your mom is an artist. 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:35.240 Yeah yeah, yeah, but again they didn't realize and still 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.120 is that Do you want to take the comic? I 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:43.080 know you're busy. I muted it. Come on, it's just 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:47.320 a loud vibrate yet you know what, you're an emerging artist. 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:49.720 You're doing your thing in New York. If you need 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:53.720 to take a call, okay, all right, So your mom 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:55.720 is an artist. 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:57.520 Yeah, your dad's not an artist. 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.560 No, he's not, but I would give him a performance 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:03.360 artist kind of energy. He's a crazy guy that like 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.800 if we were here and competing over like who could 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:10.000 climb to the building the quickest, or who will break 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.080 that window, He'll do it. 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.480 Okay, all right, So he's he has an adventurous. 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:19.680 Spirit, incredibly like to the point a super extreme sense. 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.680 Like one story when I was I think I must 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:27.679 have been thirteen, we went skydiving for our first time ever, okay, right, 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.960 and I was like, I don't really want to go skydiving. 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.320 He convinced the instructors that he was a professional and 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:35.440 that he must go alone. 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.360 What and you have to do like one hundred to 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:42.600 two hundred's that's very dangerous, super dangerous, And we were. 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.000 So he was like, I'm a professional. I've done this 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:47.960 many many, many times. And I think he had done 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.960 it once with someone on his back before, like five 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:55.400 years prior. Right, Anyways, he convinces them, jumps off the 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:56.840 plane completely alone. 0:08:57.080 --> 0:08:57.280 Right. 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.440 Then he's supposed to like pull it out a certain time, 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.360 and he doesn't, and so they all fly to him, 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.600 the instructors, they're like pull it, pull it, pull it, 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.640 and so he pulls it and then they're supposed to 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.280 land in like a soccer field size thing, right, and 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:14.400 we don't see my dad when everyone lands, and we're like, 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:17.240 oh my god, like did he blah blah. And then 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:20.840 ten minutes later he walks in with the whole parachute 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:24.040 and was like that was amazing and he's like banned 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:27.400 from life from this ego band. Well, they were like, 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:30.880 what the fuck did you feel? I would be kind 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:31.559 of what the fuck is? 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:35.040 Is it a crazy story? But did you did you 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.319 feel kind of unsafe growing up? Or were you Okay, no, no, no, 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:39.439 always felt safe? 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:41.520 Right, Okay, so you grew up And it's a because 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:44.000 I think of you, like we've had conversation before, and 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:46.240 I think of you, is you have a kind of 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:49.600 like a stable background. Yeah, and like your your your 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:53.840 family is kind of together still, right, and they were 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.439 just moving a lot and crazy thinkers. 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.240 But what I always say to this, and obviously I'm 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:00.920 not a parent, but I I think the best thing 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:04.079 to do as a parent is that you and your 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:07.400 kid have the same priorities. And I think when you're 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.400 very little, you get in trouble for stuff that you 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:14.240 can't really understand, where you're like, oh, like standing on 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.760 top of this table, wasn't that bad while am I 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:19.199 getting yelled at so much and then like getting. 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.559 Telling the flight the instructors that you're a professional. 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:28.280 Exactly, and then and then getting like a B in school, 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.839 Like you don't get in trouble so much. So then 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.640 you're kind of like, what's like when I was a kid, 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:35.760 I could stand on the table no matter what. No 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:37.680 one cares, orf my parents didn't care. But if I 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:39.880 got to be in school, I was in a lot 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.200 of trouble. So it kind of you a straight A student. 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:47.520 I was a straight A student, but I felt like, Okay, 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.600 I understand why you're being mean here and why you're 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:52.559 not being mean here, and so I always felt like 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:54.920 we were on the same team, right, So I was like, okay, 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:58.079 this is I can take punishment because I understand when 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:01.400 I'm wrong, and then when i'm when we're on the 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.160 same side, it's like other people might think it's not 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:08.080 the best acting, but I thought, like standing on table 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:08.440 is fun. 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:08.800 Yeah. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:10.880 I think I think you turned out all right. 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.880 Yeah, So you come out of school and when you 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:16.480 drawing into fashion, was it through music because usually young 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:17.959 people it's through music, right. 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.840 So I had moved a ton growing up. So I 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:24.920 went from like New York, Chicago, New York, Mexico, Wisconsin 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:25.760 back to New York. 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:27.719 And so it was because your parents work. 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.319 My dad was just getting new jobs, okay, and so 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:34.040 he and since he's Irish, she was like, fuck it. Yeah, Mexico, 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.240 Mexico is the same as New York. 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:38.840 Yeah. Yeah. 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:43.360 But Wisconsin when I was like eleven, was very very 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:45.880 much like what was cool was sports. 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:48.440 So if you're good at sports, you were a cool kid, okay. 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.240 And then I moved right to Brooklyn at twelve, and 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.920 what was cool was fashion, right, And I knew nothing 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.439 about fashion, and I was like I couldn't really wrap 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.840 my head around like young kids spending a lot of 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:01.960 money on clothes to make themselves cool, right, And I 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.720 was kind of like, well, I was like anti anti culture, 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:06.440 where I was like, oh, this is stupid. Let me 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.120 just make my own clothes, right, And so that was 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.160 really why the clothing thing happened. 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:13.520 So you started making your own clothes. How did the 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.840 term professional? Who's noticed it? Did it come to me? 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.040 It's funny, like there isn't a moment where it's like 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:20.160 you are professional. 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:22.800 I wish it was. Yeah, it would be very cool. 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:27.599 But I think. I mean, so I started with T 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:29.600 shirts in high school. I was spray painting. Then I 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:33.680 started screenprinting, and then I manufactured my first hat that 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:36.360 was with a factory that was like custom. Everything else 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:38.160 was like I was buying a T shirt and I 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:41.240 wish I could say that I had manufactured my first hat. Yeah, 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:41.960 it was pretty cool. 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.840 There's nothing says you're going to be a billionaire like 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:46.880 having a phrase in your life like that's what I 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:51.000 manufactured my first hat. Yeah, but that was pretty big 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:54.640 deal for me because I was like probably seventeen on 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.400 Ali Baba, which is like, yeah, I know what it is, 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.160 Chinese website where you can get anything made right, And 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.440 so I was talking to all these factories and knew nothing, 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:04.880 and I asked ten different factories for this one hat 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.320 design and this one hat and they all sent me 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:10.640 ten different ones. All most were horrendous, but one was incredible, 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:12.640 and I was like, this is the start of me, 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:16.040 like learning how to make things and produce things. And 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:20.120 so that hat I dropped with like T shirts and 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.600 a hoodie and I was like, this is a full collection. 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:24.600 I'm like, I am a top tier designer. 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.480 Did you ever watch Project Runway? Did you know? But 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:31.560 Project Runway to me was like so fashion. I was 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:34.560 like such a streetwear person at the time, and so 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:38.040 I was like, Okay, I have a hat that's unique 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.720 and I have T shirts and so I dropped the collection. 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:44.200 And I was in college at the time, and a 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:47.000 kid on my soccer team's roommate built the website and 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:48.800 that was my huge like, oh man, I'm going to 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:50.880 sell to people that I don't know, because at the 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.760 time you're like, how do you find people that you 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:55.560 don't know to buy your clothes? 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:59.240 I think it's fascinating is you're very clearly a result 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.360 of your time as well, like you use the resources 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:03.320 of the internet. 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:03.760 Yeah. 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.440 I mean that's interesting that you were on a Chinese 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.160 manufacturing website when you're a teenager. 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.559 Yeah. Yeah, And I'm sure there are other kids doing 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:12.120 it now. 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.640 I think it's even crazier because now there's all like 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:20.400 there's Instagram's now devoted to finding manufacturing for young clothing 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:21.280 brand designers. 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:22.760 Is that good? Do you think? Does it help? 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:26.240 It helps if you're young, but it also it just 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.880 allows so many people to enter the field. Yeah, So 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.680 you're like a young designer. For me, it took ages 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.400 to make my own shoe right right now, you can 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:37.080 make your own shoe quite easily if you do the research. 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:38.640 And you're all of a sudden talking to a shoe 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.239 manufacturer in Asia and you're like sixteen. 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:44.160 So let's talk a little. 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:46.640 Bit about shoe manufacturers in Asia a little bit, because 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.400 there is you know, there is an ethical problem and 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:52.520 you're industry about how negative connotation? 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:53.160 Yeah, there is? 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:57.240 Well, is that something that you're cognizant of, that that 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:01.360 you're of course you're cognisant of. You does it plan 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.600 how you make your staff? Well, there's two things. One, 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:06.480 China makes everything. 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:11.720 It's not just clothe whatever, so everything. They're the best 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:15.800 manufacturers of things in general, right And it's not just pricing, 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:19.040 it's just bare minimum. If you want the highest end thing, 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:21.760 they could still make it the best. And it's just 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:25.640 because they've had infrastructure for seventy years and we took 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:29.120 off the past seventy years basically, like we basically just 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.920 handed them all manufacturing and we stopped doing it in America. 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:36.160 And so the idea that it's like worse or better 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.680 or whatever. There are factories that are very bad. But 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.360 there's also factories that are very good, okay, And like 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:44.360 the factory that I work with, Like I visited and 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:48.240 went to dinner with the whole like staff, oh, and 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.200 like it was like, Okay, this is nice, but you 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:50.840 checked it out. 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:51.920 Yeah, I checked it out. 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:55.200 And it was like she's always complaining that her husband's 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:58.200 playing too much basketball, right, so it's like she has 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:02.000 the same problems and we're working at as well. But 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:06.320 what I love about China and working with factories there 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:07.920 is like, Okay, if you want to make a pair 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:11.000 of denim jeans in America, you have to go find 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.160 the fabric which is in from America. So maybe there's 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.560 some from America, but usually it's not. So let's say 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:20.160 you imported Japanese denim right now, you have to get 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.280 a factory that cuts it right. Then you have to 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.480 go find the factory makes the buttons. Then you have 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:26.800 to have another factory that puts the buttons on the jeans. 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:30.280 So like you've just touched ten factories and like tons 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.640 of shipping and all this stuff to make one pair 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:36.520 of pants. China's infrastructures it's all in the same area. 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:38.520 It's all in the same block, so they don't even 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:41.280 it's not even considered going to different factories. It's just 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:45.000 all done in the house. So if you're talking about 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:48.480 you know, there's other issues with shipping that comes in 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:51.160 and you know, so, but. 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:52.920 Let's we made a kind of a leap there because 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.640 we got your high school and now your touring factories 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:58.440 in China looking for the best deal for your jeans. 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:03.240 But between there there is your relationship with Paris Fashion Week, 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:06.840 which I think is fascinating because you kind of that 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:10.080 that's kind of where you made your boones. Really, so 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:14.439 you you applied to Paris Fashion Week, street fashion was 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:14.960 that the way. 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:18.479 You do So this is so basically to speed up 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:22.240 the story. I was in college, I launched the brand, 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.880 things start moving a little bit. I convert my sophomore 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:29.120 year dorm into a store and so everyone's come into 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.679 my dorm room and it looks like a storefront, and 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.360 I got racks of clothing. 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.280 And to be so rich, it's scary. 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:40.960 And then and then I'm like, okay, I get in 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.280 trouble with my dean of housing because they didn't like 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.280 that this course. Yeah, and so I'm like I should 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.920 have told them you were a professional parachutest. 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:50.040 Something I was trying to say, like, how am I 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:51.040 not the face of housing? 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:53.320 It's like, give me a bigger room. I was like, 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.200 you should be supporting me. You're right, I got it. 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.320 And they have like twenty five thousand kids go to 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:02.000 the school and I'll like tell them all about my story. 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:02.280 Right. 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:04.119 I was like, if all of them buy one item, 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.560 I'm super rich. Yeah, and so whatever I got, and 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:09.959 they didn't believe in the vision. So I was like, 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.400 I converted a dorm into a store. But what if 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:15.160 I do the flip side? Okay, So I found this 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.680 little store in Brooklyn on Craigslist. 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:20.520 Okay, what you run I do? 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:24.080 Yeah, I swear I made my mind, which would be 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:27.280 an amazing side. Yeah. Yeah, you know it's a sight hustle, 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:29.040 but you know it brings in a couple of billion 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:29.760 of years. 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:33.919 Was it. It is amazing that Craigslist never changed their name. Yeah, 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:35.199 it's super awesome. 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.960 It's fantastic. You know the eBay was stuffed by a 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:44.040 guy called eBay Noah, Yeah, but Yahoo Yahoo yeahoo's You 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:47.840 always have other options, that's what yeahoo was. You always 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:52.080 have other options. That's why they it's so good. Yeah, 0:18:52.119 --> 0:19:03.120 it's clever, all right. So you convey a store into 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:03.800 a dorm. 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:05.800