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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of I Saw What

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Speaker 1: You Did. My name is Millie to Jericho.

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Speaker 2: I'm Danielle Henderson, and we're talking.

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Speaker 1: About films again like we do. Danielle, how's it going

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Speaker 1: for you.

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Speaker 2: I'm irritated this week.

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Speaker 1: Explain, Explain.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm trying to figure out why this is.

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Speaker 2: I noticed that there is something that happens to me

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Speaker 2: frequently now that did not used to happen to me,

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Speaker 2: and so I'm forced to wonder, is it because of

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Speaker 2: my age? Is it because of like where I live,

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Speaker 2: or like how I interact with people. People talk to

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Speaker 2: me like I'm a fucking idiot? What constantly?

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Speaker 1: Constantly like Okay, let's let's uh, let's let's talk about this.

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Speaker 1: Because I know that in the past you have said

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Speaker 1: on the podcast and to me as your friend, that

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Speaker 1: like you would have like these contractors that would come

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Speaker 1: into your house who would frequently speak to you as

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Speaker 1: if you're like an idiot little girl, okay. And I

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Speaker 1: just assumed that was because I don't know the inherent

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Speaker 1: misogyny and like I don't know the construction world where

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Speaker 1: they think that women just don't know anything about like tools,

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Speaker 1: and building things. But so now you're saying that it's

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Speaker 1: just happening like all the time in your world, all.

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Speaker 2: The time, and it's it's both online and in person.

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Speaker 2: And it's to the point where again, like I am

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Speaker 2: forced to consider is this You know, I always go

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Speaker 2: internal first, so I'm like, is this me? Is this

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Speaker 2: the way that I'm either interpreting something or is it

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Speaker 2: the way that I'm communicating something to people? But it

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Speaker 2: happens enough that I'm like bothered. I think that I'm

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Speaker 2: an unreasonably intelligent person. And what I mean by that

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Speaker 2: is I know a lot about things I have no

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Speaker 2: business knowing about because they don't affect my day to

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Speaker 2: day existence, they don't affect my job. I'm a genuinely

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Speaker 2: curious person, so I know a lot about a lot

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Speaker 2: of things. And I'm an autodidect and a polymath, which

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Speaker 2: means that I am largely self taught about these things,

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Speaker 2: and I have a wide range of knowledge. Does that

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Speaker 2: mean I never fuck up? Of course not. Does that

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Speaker 2: mean I don't make mistakes and mispronounce things, of course not.

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Speaker 2: Does that mean that I don't want to learn, of

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Speaker 2: course not. It's the exact opposite. What. I guess. The

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Speaker 2: cornerstone of me being a smart person in the world

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Speaker 2: has never been based on showing it off, which is

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Speaker 2: why I also left my PhD program, because yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: smart enough that I also started a PhD program, But

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Speaker 2: I left it because I looked around and I thought,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be talking to the same seven people

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Speaker 2: for the rest of my life and trying to impress

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Speaker 2: them with things that don't matter, essentially, and I don't

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Speaker 2: want to do that. I don't think education should be siloed.

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Speaker 2: I don't think intelligence is something that should be siloed.

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Speaker 2: I think it should be shared. I think that for again,

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Speaker 2: for me, the basis of my intelligence as a person

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Speaker 2: is that I like to listen and I like to learn.

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Speaker 2: You know, I took apart my vacuum the other day

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Speaker 2: and I had to fix, you know, clean out the

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Speaker 2: about how it works. So I took apart my fucking

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Speaker 2: a couple of videos because I just wanted to know.

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Speaker 2: Do you want me to give you the history of

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Speaker 2: my fucking vacuum? Every time I talk about it? Because

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Speaker 2: I can, but it would be incredibly fucking boring and condescending,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I just I think

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Speaker 2: that my approach to intelligence is not the same as

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Speaker 2: If you're just constantly telling people they're wrong, it doesn't

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Speaker 2: make you seem smart. It makes you seem like a

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Speaker 2: fucking dick. And I never wanted to be that person

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Speaker 2: person in the world. I like learnlearning, you know. I

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Speaker 2: read six hundred paid books about economics for fun, Like

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Speaker 2: I just enjoy knowing about things. The expression of that

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Speaker 1: And like, listen, here's a reality that I think a

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Speaker 1: which is that you know, as a woman of color,

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Speaker 1: you have to be working twice as hard to prove

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Speaker 1: every day and you've done it your entire life, and

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Speaker 1: you know, it's like I think that there's a double

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Speaker 1: and it's it's not easy ever to be forward facing

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Speaker 2: And the reason I also mentioned this is because it

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Speaker 2: your movie this week, which also was interesting to me,

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Speaker 2: but it also happens in my real life. So I had,

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Speaker 2: you know, last year, when the contractors were here also

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Speaker 2: talking to me like I'm an idiot who doesn't know anything.

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Speaker 2: They installed some LED lights, like in the hallway and

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Speaker 2: went out this week this week, so I had to

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Speaker 2: You know, turn the you have to turn the power off, guys,

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Speaker 2: turn the power off in the room that you're in.

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Speaker 2: So I turned the power off, took the bulb out,

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Speaker 2: on and like replaced it. So I went to the

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Speaker 2: watched all these videos, these videos about it, I knew

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Speaker 2: exactly what I fucking needed. I looked at the bulb itself,

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Speaker 2: I knew everything about this fucking light bulb. And I

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Speaker 2: Another guy saw me in the aisle while I was

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Speaker 2: need and he comes over, very friendly. Janini helped, and

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Speaker 2: that's cool, Like, I just I know what I need.

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Speaker 2: I need this thing, like maybe you can dispoint me

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Speaker 2: to it, and he's like, well I could, but are

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Speaker 2: you sure about this? And I'm like, yeah, I'm sure.

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Speaker 2: Are you sure about that? Yeah? Did you turn the power? Oh? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I turned the power off. Are you sure you don't

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Speaker 2: want to get an electrician to change a fucking light bulb?

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Speaker 2: Do you know about the springs and soid I'm like yeah,

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Speaker 2: So finally, at one point I looked at him and

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Speaker 2: If that will help you understand that I know what

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Speaker 2: you know about this whatever you fucking know about and

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Speaker 2: talk to me like I don't know what I need?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, I have been there in the

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Speaker 1: But yeah, there are there are times where that's happened

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to do that anymore, So I'm

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Speaker 2: And then also that you think you can waste my time,

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Speaker 2: spend my time telling me what you know. So you've

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Speaker 2: Like I didn't ask for it and I don't want

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Speaker 2: because you think I need to hear it, because what

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Speaker 2: I don't get it. And here's the thing. If I

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Speaker 2: never mess up. I'm just saying, why don't people believe

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Speaker 1: It's a fucking tone, dude, Like I can't because sometimes

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Speaker 1: when I do go into a place, sometimes that like

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Speaker 1: wanted that. That's cool, and like I'll sit there listen

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Speaker 1: and if it sounds like I just need a little

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean exactly and again, and I'm

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Speaker 2: If I'm like, hey, tell me about that bird. If

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Speaker 2: Nobody perished on the care Bears movie, seit to our knowledge,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now, Danielle. I almost called

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Speaker 2: If I want you to tell me that you know

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm very afraid that I'll have so much

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Speaker 2: Would you say that absolutely, for not just for being cursed,

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Speaker 1: I mean, like I didn't even realize that there was

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Speaker 2: Two noses, because you can literally be a scholar of

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Speaker 1: there's like a ton of documentaries on that, So there's

432
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: a lot of info and I definitely can't say it all,

433
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: So don't hold it against me. But I mean, in

434
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 1: terms of this film being cursed, I feel like it's

435
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 1: one of the more famous ones, right, And you know,

436
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 1: there's just a ton of these kind of weird coincidence

437
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: type stories associated with the Exorcist. But also, you know,

438
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: just from what I've read and what I've seen, there

439
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: seems to have been just sort of like a general

440
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: eeriness on the set that would maybe support the idea

441
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: that it was a cursed movie. But look, I mean,

442
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to shoot the balloon out of the

443
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: sky immediately, but I will say this movie took a

444
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: long time to shoot, so because of the nature of that,

445
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 1: it's just more time for something weird to happen. Okay.

446
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 1: I think it was like two hundred days or something

447
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: like that. Okay, that's a long time, very long.

448
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: Most movies take like four to six weeks.

449
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's a long time to be on a

450
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: movie shoot. So it's like it would be conceivable that

451
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 1: like an old person might die. Unfortunately, you know what

452
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: I mean.

453
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: That's a risk you take when your agent sends you

454
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 2: that script. You're like, am I going to be alive

455
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 2: at the end of this? Who knows shit?

456
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: And I also think too, and this is coming from

457
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: my own experience, obviously, I feel like there's gonna be

458
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: a little bit of that in this episode, like, I'm

459
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: gonna have to bring a lot of my own Catholicism

460
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: to the episode. But I think there's just a lot

461
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 1: of superstition in the air while they filmed this movie,

462
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 1: that they were doing something that dealt with just like unthinkable,

463
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: blasphemous things in the eyes of Catholicism, right, yes, So

464
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: it's almost kind of like they were generating bad vibes

465
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: in a weird way, like that they were like, Okay, well,

466
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: we're doing this thing that's like completely insane in the

467
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 1: eyes of anyone who's a Catholic. And I don't know,

468
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: if something bad happens to us, I guess we brought

469
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: it on ourselves.

470
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 2: Oh, typical Catholic guilt. Like I guess even just discussing

471
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 2: this is why all this bad shit's happening, we get it.

472
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: We get it. And I think also, and I know

473
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 2: you'll go into this, of course, I think the fact

474
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 2: that the star of the movie is a little girl

475
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: also played a lot into the feeling of like being

476
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: cursed or like, you know, are we doing something wrong?

477
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: And there's definitely been a lot of critique about the

478
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 2: fact that, you know, not just that the star wars

479
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: this little girl who's possessed. But you know what this

480
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 2: actress had to do to portray that.

481
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: Yes, So, as I was doing research again, lots of

482
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: research materials on this film, you know, I was watching

483
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: interviews with William Peter Blatty and Linda Blair and you know,

484
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: crew members and the cinematographer, and there's just all these

485
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: stories about this film. I mean, one was that the

486
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: set caught on fire at one point and everything burned

487
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: except for Reagan's room. I mean, oh damn, that's a

488
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: weird coincidence. Don't you think that is weird? But then

489
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: you know, there were deaths associated with the film, like

490
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,959
Speaker 1: in terms of like two of the actors in the

491
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: film actually passed away while being filmed again a long shoot.

492
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: You know, older folks, you know it can happen. But

493
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: also this contributes to the idea of this film being cursed.

494
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: There was also just like family members of cast members

495
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 1: who were dying too. So it's just you know what

496
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just it just adds more fuel,

497
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: you know, to this theory. There was a story that

498
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: they actually brought a real priest to the set to

499
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: bless it, which I would do to be honest, I

500
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: sometimes we have to have a priest come bless this podcast,

501
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: let alone a movie about devil possession.

502
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 2: Okay, I think every pretty much any set I've ever

503
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 2: been on should just be blessed. Bless it, sage it,

504
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 2: every religion, step on through and give us your best.

505
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: Throw some holy water on the sage. Get that going.

506
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: And you know, one of the more fascinating things about

507
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 1: it too, which is something that I definitely want to

508
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: read more about. And there's an Esquire article that's behind

509
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: a paywall sadly so I couldn't read it, but it

510
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: was the murder retos. I'm sure who are listening know

511
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: about this already. But you know, there was an actor

512
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: in The Exorcist that actually was a murderer and yes, yes,

513
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: and was also called a serial killer at one point.

514
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: He was one of the neuro radiology texts in the

515
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: scene of the medical procedure that Recan goes through. And

516
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: I mean it has all like, there's a large story

517
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: about it. It's part of why William Friedkin ended up

518
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: doing cruising. It's like a whole story. But somebody in

519
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: the film The Exorcist actually murdered somebody. I guess it

520
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: was after the film was made, but technically there's a

521
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: murderer in the movie, and people think about that in

522
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: terms of, you know, this film being cursed.

523
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 2: So the ongoing history of this film being cursed has

524
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 2: shock weeds, I know.

525
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: And also you know, I have to say, speaking of

526
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: William Friedkin, I mean, you know, he's a controversial guy

527
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean, there were a lot of stories

528
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: that came out about the ways in which he were

529
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: He used these very harsh techniques to get reactions out

530
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: of actors filming The Exorcist, like he was firing guns

531
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: and slapping people across the face very famously. You know,

532
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: Ellen burst And and Linda Blair were both injured on the

533
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: set while they were filming, and then they used the

534
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: takes in the film. So there was that. There was

535
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: that famous story about how Ellen Burston basically like got

536
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: pulled too hard on her harness in one of the

537
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: scenes where she flies across the room during the you know,

538
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: during one of the Reagan scenes, and she actually is

539
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: in pain and hurt herself and went to the hospital afterwards.

540
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: And then that is in the film. You actually see

541
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: the face that she makes in the scene is her

542
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: tailbone being cracked or I don't know exactly how she

543
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: entered herself, but yeah.

544
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: That is morally dubious to say the least.

545
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: Yes, And this is I think what I want to

546
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: come back to in terms of the Linda Blair stuff,

547
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: because Linda Blair was also injured during the bed thrashing scene,

548
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: right because she was using they were using like a

549
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: harness I guess around her waist to kind of create

550
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: that like back and forth up and down movement, and

551
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: she was injured. There were multiple interviews that I saw

552
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: of Linda Blair as an adult in more modern times

553
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: where she you know, basically said that William Freakin is

554
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: a genius and that you know, this is part of

555
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: movie making and this kind of stuff. So you know,

556
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: it's a little like, you know, I don't know, it's

557
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:04,239
Speaker 1: very complicated, right because there are definitely like directors like

558
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: Stanley Kubrick and others who have done very very controversial

559
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: things to get things out of actors while filming. And

560
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: you know, obviously it happened on The Exorcist too, so absolutely, Okay,

561
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: So you know there's this movie. When it was released

562
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: was such a sensation, like you can't even understand it.

563
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: And there were so many people who thought this movie

564
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: was like an actual dangerous film, you know, besides the

565
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: whole like everyone passing out and puking at screenings right,

566
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: Like what's the most recent movie where that was happening.

567
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: It was like a sequel, like a scary clown movie.

568
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: And people were like, I'm vomiting all over the place

569
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: and what not?

570
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: It not it too, no terrifier too.

571
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: I was like, we got a new one, folks, the

572
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: pukin and passing out movies, maybe we should do that

573
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: theme is that we should do movies where people have

574
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: puked and passed out, which is all obviously like a

575
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: great marketing tool for any film. But I saw a

576
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: documentary about The Exorcist which which actually said that at

577
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: the time that it came out in seventy three, like

578
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: there were religious leaders in the world who were telling

579
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: people that the film itself had demons in the film

580
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: and that you if you saw it being projected in

581
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: a movie theater, the demons would then like jump from

582
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: the film onto you. Like they were like telling people

583
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: there are demons in the actual film strips in the theaters.

584
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: That is wild, considering like we all saw in the film,

585
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: if you've seen it, how an X ray machine worked

586
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: back then. So you're telling me they have the tech

587
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: to get demons jumping out a film into bodies, but

588
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: they can't get an X ray machine that doesn't sound

589
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: like a tank clanking over your bones while they're trying

590
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: to get that image.

591
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, somehow the demon technology is great in seventy three.

592
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: I don't know.

593
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: It's always been very advanced. Demon tech has always been

594
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 2: a bad.

595
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: So, okay, I want to know when was the first

596
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: time that you saw The Exorcist.

597
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: I'm laughing because you know I saw it at an

598
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: inappropriately young age because my grandmother and mother fucking love

599
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: this movie. Oh.

600
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: I was like, this is Danielle's grandmother's favorite film of

601
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: all time?

602
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: Maybe kind I watched it with her this this week?

603
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: What?

604
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: I watched The Exorcist with my ninety year old grandmother

605
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: in her nursing home, in her religious like Catholic nurse

606
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: home with a chapel downstairs and a priest that comes

607
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: to visit everyone every day. What? Because she fucking loves

608
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: this movie. Now, they had enough sense to not let

609
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: me see it until I was ten. Oh ten, But

610
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: I was still traumatized. Yes, and they watched it before that,

611
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: because I remember hearing it in the living room, like

612
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: they would watch it at night sometimes like was on

613
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: or they rented it or whatever. So I remember hearing

614
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: it once or twice, like in the living room, but

615
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: they wouldn't let me physically see it until I was ten.

616
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm sure they probably saw in the movie

617
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: theater when it came out. It was like, that's such

618
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: of a sensation, like people around the block were watching

619
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: this film in the theater.

620
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: So oh yeah. And my mom was a teenager when

621
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: it came out, so anything that was like forbidden. She's like,

622
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: I'm there, Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.

623
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: I was pretty young when I saw this too, but

624
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: I have to say I was actually in high school

625
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: when I saw it, so not ten, but maybe like

626
00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen. I think it was about fifteen. And I

627
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: saw this movie for the first time on the AMC

628
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: network because they played The Exorcist on Easter one year.

629
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: What a choice, I know.

630
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: I was like, whoever was programming AMC back, and like,

631
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know the late eighties early nineties

632
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: is a genius.

633
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: Have a grace, that's a humor.

634
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: I know if I listen, if we had, if we

635
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to play The Exorcist on Easter on TCM,

636
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 1: I would have fucking done it every year. It would

637
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: have been like twenty four hours of The Exorcists on Easter.

638
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: But listen on AMC. When I saw it on AMC

639
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: at my parents' house, I was fucking traumatized by it.

640
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: I had nightmares about everything, especially in the head turning scene.

641
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: I had nightmares for weeks about that shit. And it's

642
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: funny because for years afterwards, whenever I would flip the

643
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: channels on TV, and I would flip them and I

644
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: would go really fast over AM see because I was

645
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: afraid they were playing it like I was freaking traumatized

646
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: by that shit. And I remember also sitting in a

647
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: living room and I was my dad's best friend, you know,

648
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: his family was spending Easter with us, and I remember

649
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: he came in and said, you're watching the edited version.

650
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know that, but this is

651
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: edited for television. The real version is like a hundred

652
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: times worse. And I would never.

653
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: Allow you to see it, like, and I was like,

654
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 2: I love it, yeah, Like you ain't even see in

655
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: the real shit.

656
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: I know, and I was like, I mean when that happened,

657
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. I mean, I was like,

658
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: is this a video nasty?

659
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: Like?

660
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: What are we watching? The snuff movie? Like? It was

661
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 1: just very alluring and very scary to me. But then

662
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: so the last time I saw it, okay, the last

663
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: time I saw it was when it was in the

664
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: theater in two thousand when they released the version You've

665
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: Never Seen, which is also known as now like the

666
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: Extended Director's Cut. Okay, And I remember telling my roommate

667
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: David at the time, I was like, we went saw

668
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: that movie together. And I remember telling him that we

669
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: got home, I was like, I'm gonna have to sleep

670
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: in the living room because I do not want to

671
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: be in a bedroom of any kind. I don't want

672
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: to sleep in my bed like so I slept on

673
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: the couch or something and we were like, the light

674
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: all the lights are gonna be on. We're not turning

675
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 1: any lights off tonight.

676
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 2: Good.

677
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: It was.

678
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: Terrify. We will take the hit on our PG and

679
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: E bill to not be scared tonight.

680
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: Let me tell you right now, when I saw that

681
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: crab walk ooh, I screamed in the movie theater. Like

682
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: I screamed because I had never seen the crab Walk before.

683
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: Like they they had taken that shit out and then

684
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: they put it back in, and I was like, oh

685
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 1: my god, this is insane. I am scared beyond belief.

686
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: But that was twenty three years ago. Okay, that was

687
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 1: the last time I saw this movie. Okay, and listen,

688
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: I have to say, I mean everybody knows by this.

689
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: When I grew up Catholic, which basically means that I'm

690
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 1: a broken adult. I do not really believe in religion

691
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: at this point in my life. I don't go to

692
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: church or anything. But I absolutely grew up thinking the

693
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: devil was a real thing, and that the concept of

694
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: being possessed by like an evil spirit or a demon

695
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: was real. Maybe, like I grew up with that maybe

696
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: being a reality. Okay, Like it's because honestly, my mother

697
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 1: is like an old school Filipino Catholic. She's very superstitious

698
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: to this day. I think I've talked about that, yes before.

699
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: My dad is from Italy, very Catholic people. His parents,

700
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: like my grandparents, his parents, they brought a lot of

701
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff into my life. I mean, I

702
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: have saints in this house right now, who are apparently

703
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: protecting me. I don't know what to do. I don't

704
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: want to remove it case, you know, something happens, but

705
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: like you know, I can't. Like that's the thing is

706
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: that this stuff has been ingrained in me for my

707
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: entire life. Okay, But I will say about The Exorcists particularly,

708
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot of seventies bleak movie

709
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 1: magic that's happening that has also just amped this whole

710
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: thing up for me. Okay. Like, one of the good

711
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: things about the film is that it reminds you. It

712
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: does a really good job of reminding people, like, guess what.

713
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: The exorcism ritual is actually really old. We don't really

714
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: do it anymore. There's a lot of red tape. If

715
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: you want to do an exorcism, like, you gotta go

716
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,959
Speaker 1: way back in the back of the book to even

717
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: know what to do. You gotta bring in a special dude.

718
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: You gotta kiss the cross, you gotta kiss the liturgical

719
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: vestimate purple thing before you wrap it around your neck.

720
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: There's a lot of old rules that are gonna be

721
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: very creepy. Like all that stuff has contributed to my

722
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: fear of this film, Okay, yeah, because.

723
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: It's tied directly to something that you experienced in real life,

724
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: which was church.

725
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 1: Yes, right, but it's like it's also telling me, you know, basically, like, Okay,

726
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: you might be possessed by a demon maybe if you're bad,

727
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: and that if you are, it's gonna take a lot

728
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: of bullshit to get it out of your body. That's

729
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: what it was. That's the message that I got from

730
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: the Exorcist. And I was like, no, no, not me never.

731
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: Because here's the thing. If you watch any modern day exorcisms,

732
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: like on TV or YouTube, they're funny and fake as shit. Like, Yo,

733
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: do you remember the show Nathan for You where there

734
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: was an episode where they had that exorcist guy come

735
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: on and he he extra size Nathan's hemorrhoid demons.

736
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 3: Like like, oh god, this shit, he was saying, I

737
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 3: will it's it's one of the funniest I mean that

738
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 3: whole series truly, but like that was one of the

739
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 3: funniest moments of that show.

740
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean even before he tried to get hemorroid

741
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: demons out of Nathan Fielder's butt, like when he just

742
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: showed up, Like when they were showing videos of him

743
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: like when they found him online or whatever. I was like,

744
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: come on, like, I'm not scared of this. This is

745
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: not scary to me. But for whatever reason, the exorcism

746
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: in The Exorcist is scary.

747
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 2: So that's legit, that's alegit Yeah.

748
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: But also I have to say too, and this is

749
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: this is again like I think not to toot my

750
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: own horn. But there's something I say on the podcast

751
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: a lot, which is that you should watch movies again,

752
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: like watch them at different points of your life, because

753
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: I have to say, I haven't seen this movie in

754
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: twenty three years since up until recently, I have a

755
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: completely different way into the film now that I just

756
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: did not have when I was younger, which is that

757
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 1: I'm not as scared of the religious stuff and even

758
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: that kind of like monster type of stuff that's happening

759
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: with Reagan, but things that have happened to me personally

760
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: in my life over the course of just aging, like illnesses, death,

761
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: hospital stays. I mean, this is the scariest part of

762
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: the film to me. Now. It's not the like head

763
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: turning shit. It's more of like the sounds of the

764
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: giant X ray machines that they used in the seventies

765
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: and a lot of other things we'll talk about in

766
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: just a second. But like, that's the thing now, is

767
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: that I'm like, oh, okay, well, this movie hits on

768
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: a completely different level, and I'm just glad I saw

769
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: it again because obviously it's it's given me a new

770
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: way into the film. So I'm not gonna like go

771
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: through the beat it's necessarily a ton I'm just gonna say, like,

772
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen this film at all and you

773
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: need a one sentenced synopsis, just know it's this. At

774
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: an archaeological dig in northern Iraq, a priest digs up

775
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: an icon of a demon named Pazuzu, and eventually that

776
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: demon makes this way into the body of a twelve

777
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: year old girl who lives in Washington, DC.

778
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: These colin iders be fucking around the dirt too much.

779
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Like, and look, I actually had seen

780
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: a part of a documentary that talked about how this

781
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: beginning of the film, like the origin story of like

782
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: the Pazuzu thing, is actually pretty accurate, like historically, like

783
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: Pazuzu is actually a demon from Mesopotamia. So the idea

784
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: that Maxwean Cetau would be digging up a relic of

785
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: him in northern Iraq or whatever. The beginning of this

786
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: film is actually kind of correct, which I think is

787
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: very fascinating.

788
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: That is all I'm thinking right now is the B

789
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: fifty two song Mesopotamia Yep, where he says, before I talk,

790
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: I should read a book before I talk, yep, Maxiwan

791
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: Sita should taking that advice before I dig, I should

792
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: read a book.

793
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Andy, and listen. After he digs up this

794
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: little relic, it's it's on because basically, like Puzuzu is unleashed.

795
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: And then he finds this family named the mcmeials, and

796
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: it's an actress who is named Chris and she's played

797
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: by Ellen Burston and her young daughter, Reagan, who is

798
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: played by Linda Blair. Now Chris is actually filming a

799
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: movie and they're renting a house in Georgetown, which is

800
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: like in Washington, d c. And Reagan's dad isn't in

801
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: the picture, so Chris is like a single mom. And

802
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: she also has this assistant by the way, who is

803
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: played by the actress Kitty Winn, and she is the

804
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: essence of who I want to be as a woman

805
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: like that. Seventies lady with like the messy bunn and

806
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: like the turtleneck vest in the pants, like Kitty Winn

807
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: is like so gorgeous in this movie. I'm just like,

808
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: I love she brings a little bit of glamour, okay, and.

809
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: She goes through it. She goes through it.

810
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, because here's the thing, she absolutely does not get

811
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: paid enough to deal with the shit that she eventually

812
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: goes through.

813
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: Hell, I can't even believe she's stuck around to help pack. Oh.

814
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: I was like you, I would have quit so fucking fast.

815
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: Get out of there, Sharon.

816
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: Yeah. So here's the thing, Like, you know, the course

817
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: of the film, Reagan the Daughter, she starts having these

818
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: medical issues, and they they kind of chalk it up

819
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: to like add perhaps at first, but then things are

820
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: getting progressively worse. And I think we all understand how

821
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 1: they get progressively worse. I mean, it's just that she's

822
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: like her body's changing, she's having convulsions, like there's a

823
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: lot of like supernatural shit happening, okay, And then she's

824
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: going to the doctors back and forth. They start maybe

825
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: believing that she's got like a lesion on her brain,

826
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: and so then they start putting Reagan through this like

827
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: horrifying series of tests, which I feel like is less

828
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: talked about when it comes to the actual horror of

829
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: the Exorcist.

830
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: That needle in the neck.

831
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: Uh okay, you know me, I had to fucking google

832
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: this shit because I was like, uh, this is and

833
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 1: this is definitely because of the medical shit that I've

834
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: gone through. But I was like, there's no fucking way

835
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: they do this. Now, what is this like medieval torturous,

836
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: fucked up scene which is that angiogram scene where they

837
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: stick the needle in her neck and then the blood

838
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: kind of spurts out. Okay, I mean, shit is fucking intense,

839
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: like maybe the most intense part of the movie for

840
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: me now, But like I was looking it all up,

841
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: and so when in the moment and when they film

842
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: this film, this was absolutely how they did it. And

843
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 1: in the movie it's done by an actual doctor who

844
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: would do them in real life, so it was apparently

845
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: very accurate, and it was how they do it. I

846
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: read that they don't use that artery, that neck artery anymore.

847
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 1: They actually do it like through the leg or somewhere

848
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: that's less you know, invasive, but they still do these tests.

849
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: But it's just not in the neck, which is yeah.

850
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 2: Oh my god, too much, and they're like holding her

851
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 2: head down like oh God.

852
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: My god. And I think what's really intense is the machines.

853
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: The sound of the X ray machines. It sounds like,

854
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, horrible bombs going off. I mean it is.

855
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: It shook me. This scene shook me to death. And

856
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: I just I mean, fuck the piece soup. Okay, this

857
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: is the scariest part for me. And I think part

858
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: of it is that there is a terror of of

859
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: of what's actually happening to her, which is there's all

860
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: these doctors and they're doing all these procedures and they're

861
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: using all these like really scary tools to try to

862
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: figure out what's wrong with her, and they can't figure

863
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: out what's wrong with her. Yeah, conceptually, that's a terrifying thing, right,

864
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: and it happens to people all the time. Okay, So

865
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: simultaneously you have Father Kares. We meet Father Karos. He's

866
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: played by Jason Miller. Father Kaarris is a priest who

867
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: is a psychologist as well, and he's admitting at the

868
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 1: beginning of the film that he is suffering a wavering

869
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: of his faith right right. And I think that part

870
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: of it is that he's taking care of his sick

871
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: mother and he feels this enormous sense of guilt that

872
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: he can't live with her and be with her every day.

873
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: I have to think that a lot of that is

874
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: due to his cultural background. He's Greek, his mother is Greek,

875
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: and at a certain point in the film, he has

876
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: to put her into a hospital where she's in a

877
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: room with women who are mentally ill. And it's just

878
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: that scene that you know, the mother is strapped to

879
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: the bed. It's just that movie scene that we have

880
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: seen before, which I think has completely influenced the idea

881
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: of having to put people into institutions and hospitals, right.

882
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: And it's harrowing and sad, and you feel his guilt

883
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 1: throughout the entire film. So you've got these two characters now, Reagan,

884
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: father cares. They're navigating their way through the healthcare system

885
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: and it's failing them ultimately. And like I said, you

886
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: have a young girl who can't be helped by science

887
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 1: to figure out what's going on with her, and this

888
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: man who can't afford to care for his elderly mother.

889
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: This is shit that I never thought about. When I

890
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: was fifteen. That now is like front center for me,

891
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: you know, and just stuff that you just go through

892
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 1: in life, and that's why you watch movies. Again, I digress,

893
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: but it's you know, this film is really really interesting.

894
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, one thing I didn't pick up on

895
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: in the past was that it's actually the doctors that

896
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,479
Speaker 1: suggest the exorcism to Chris. Like, once they can't figure

897
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: out what's wrong with her, They're like, well, well have

898
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 1: you tried this? And I'm like, whoa. I guess I

899
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: never realized that before.

900
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 2: After they dismissed her completely, because she kind of pushes

901
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 2: them to that point because they're like, we don't know

902
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 2: what's wrong with her, it's got to be psychological. And

903
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 2: then they're like, well, maybe an exorcism. Stop yelling at us.

904
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I said, and when she contacts father Kearris,

905
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, he's immediately like, yeah, there's gonna be a

906
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 1: lot of bureaucracy here, like I'm gonna have to ask

907
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: and beg to do this because they don't do this

908
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: shit anymore. And again, I think it goes back to

909
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: this like recurring theme in this movie that never occurred

910
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 1: to me before. Which is that there's like a lot

911
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: of failure of systems in this film, right, And I

912
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: think in the early seventies, this is probably something that

913
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: people thought about a lot. So, you know, it's just

914
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 1: another interesting thing about the film that I read into

915
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: it this time watching it. Now, there's a lot of

916
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 1: things that are said about Reagan in this film under

917
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: her possessed state. I'm not gonna lie, there's a lot

918
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: of campy moments, okay, Like there's a point where Reagan

919
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: or Pazuzu whomever is doing like a tight five like

920
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: with father Caros, like they're just chatting's like now kylie

921
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: and do these straps like he's you know, he's fucking

922
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: hitting some jokes, okay, And that is obviously very funny

923
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: to me. But then there's like some legitimately fucked up moments.

924
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, I think that crucifix masturbation scene, the

925
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, that is like such a point of contention

926
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: for people. And then just like the vomiting and the

927
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: peeing and stuff. I mean, for me, the wheezing, I

928
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: was like, I can't deal with this wheezing coming from

929
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: the downstairs, Like what the fuck? Like it it's a lot,

930
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: and then you know, I have to say, for the record,

931
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: I don't this is probably obvious to a lot of

932
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: people who love The Exorcists, but like I forgot that

933
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: Mercedes Cambridge is the voice of the demon, and we

934
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: talked about her and Johnny Guitar. I'm like, that's my lady.

935
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: I love her and the fact that she's Puzuzu's voice

936
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: is an incredible fact. But to wrap up the film,

937
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: and I'm like, again the ending, I would never give

938
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 1: it away because I feel like people should watch this movie.

939
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: Even if you even if you actually have seen this

940
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 1: movie before, you gotta watch it again. Once Father Kris

941
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: is given the okay to do the exorcism to Reagan

942
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 1: the t I love this part because again didn't occur

943
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: to me in the past. But they were like, well,

944
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: if you're gonna do it, you got to bring in

945
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 1: the big guns. You gotta bring in Father Miren, Max

946
00:51:54,520 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: von SeTau and you know Bergman guy, perfect dude to

947
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: play this role. Okay. And something that never occurred to me.

948
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: On top of the thing that didn't occur to me

949
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: is that he was only like in his thirties or

950
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: forties when he filmed this movie. So they gave him

951
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: old man makeup, and I was like, all throughout my childhood,

952
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: I thought he was an eighty year old man for

953
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: like forty years.

954
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 2: Me too. When he actually died, I was like, wait,

955
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 2: what I know.

956
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: I was like, the old man makeup worked. We all

957
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: thought he was eighty when he was really thirty.

958
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 2: So that is wild.

959
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the thing about it is that, so the

960
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: head of the church is like, Okay, here's the deal.

961
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: We got to bring in Father Maren. He's like eight

962
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: hundred years old. He's popping nitroglycerin. The last time he

963
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: did one of these things, it took like a fucking

964
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: month and he almost died. But he's the only dude

965
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: who could do it. Like that's a setup of all setups.

966
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: And then the thing that I actually didn't realize is

967
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: that I didn't realize that this was like a one

968
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: last job movie. Like this movie is a one last

969
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: job for Father Miron And I'm like, wow, did not

970
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: occur to me. And it's funny because the whole his

971
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: showing up to the house is such a famous scene.

972
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like in the poster, it's like what

973
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: everybody visualizes when they think of the Exorcist and he

974
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 1: comes in. I mean, everyone's like, who's that guy? Okay,

975
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: and then he just comes in as like, don't give

976
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: me nothing. Let's go like I don't need it, Like

977
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: I don't need to talk about it, I don't need brandy,

978
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: I don't need whatever.

979
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 2: Just like, let's go just get me my fucking vestments.

980
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, although I do think he does a

981
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: little brandy in the coffee, but he's all like, no

982
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: time for shuld show, we gotta hit this right now,

983
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: and then when he starts getting loud, dude, it's a rap.

984
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 2: My friend Cliff used to walk around parties and when

985
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 2: he would get drunk, he would like dip his hand

986
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 2: in his drink and spirts water on people and shout

987
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 2: the power of Christ compels you. And it used to

988
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 2: crack me the fuck up.

989
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I that part to me is as a Catholic,

990
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 1: pretty terrifying. Like I'm like, if I had two guys

991
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 1: screaming the power of Christ compels you at me, then

992
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: something bad has happened, Like they gotta scream this shit

993
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: out of my body and I don't want that at

994
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: all to happen to me.

995
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 2: And they're like slashing your legs with holy water, Like

996
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 2: it is a scene. Yeah, when Father Maren shows up,

997
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 2: it's a fucking it's a party in a whole different sense.

998
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. And it's like that whole Exorcism scene.

999
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: There's such a build up to it, and then when

1000
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: it happens, it really does play out in a very

1001
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: slow I mean, I gotta say in terms of tension building,

1002
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: this movie is it For me? It really does build

1003
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: and build and build, and I mean it's a masterpiece honestly,

1004
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 1: like to me, for all of the things that are

1005
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: said about it, for the fact that it's just become

1006
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: such a part of our popular culture. Like if you're

1007
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: just talking about like a story that's built, you know,

1008
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: that creates fear and tension, it doesn't. For me, it's

1009
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: like the scariest movie I've ever seen. I mean, there

1010
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: are things about it that are obviously like on the

1011
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: funny side, I don't know if I'm really like caring

1012
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: about the Lee J. Cobb character. I feel like that

1013
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: whole thing is a little well Kinderman.

1014
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 2: He plays the cop who comes to investigate, you know,

1015
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,280
Speaker 2: what's happening, and like he keeps telling everyone he's lying,

1016
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 2: like he'll say something and they're like really, He's like, no,

1017
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 2: I'm lying, And I'm like, whoa what? This is not

1018
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 2: the time for fucking jokes and lies and mistrust. Like

1019
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 2: we're trying to get to the bottom of what's wrong

1020
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 2: with this.

1021
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: Kid, well, and I get that there needs to be

1022
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: some kind of element that reminds us that there's crimes happening,

1023
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: like there was a murder that happened, like people are

1024
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: getting pushed down the stairs. I get that there needs

1025
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,280
Speaker 1: to be somebody that reminds us of that, that takes

1026
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 1: it out of the supernatural and makes it a crime.

1027
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: But to me, all he's really doing is trying to

1028
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: get people to go to the movies with him.

1029
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 2: And I'm kind of like, all right, rely, he's like,

1030
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 2: we can go see a movie. I got the I

1031
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: got the fucking connects, And You're like, can you focus

1032
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 2: for one second?

1033
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 1: Kinderman, Yeah, And and I don't know. So I there's

1034
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: a you know, a couple of things obviously that that

1035
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: are a little less scary or whatever. But I honestly,

1036
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: in terms of curse films, I feel like this was

1037
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: the one to pick for me this week, and just

1038
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 1: considering how personally, I feel about it too, Like watching

1039
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: it again was an experience, Like even when I was

1040
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: writing about it, when I was writing notes about it,

1041
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: I was like, this feels cursed. These are cursed notes

1042
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:47,720
Speaker 1: in a cursed Google doc.

1043
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 2: You're haunted by it. You're haunted? Well what and what actually?

1044
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 2: Like what were I know you mentioned some of the

1045
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 2: things that like, like, I don't know all the things

1046
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 2: that happened on set that made people think this was

1047
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 2: a curse movie in general. So besides the priests basically

1048
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 2: saying there's demons in the film, stock like who died?

1049
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 2: Like what?

1050
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was the fire, the fire that happened,

1051
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: the idea of there being deaths associated with the set,

1052
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: you know, the creepy feelings. I mean, I like, listen,

1053
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: I will say that I feel like your movie there's

1054
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: way more mythology, yeah to that point than mine. But

1055
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: I feel like there was a general feeling that the

1056
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: movie was haunted or possessed because you know, people were

1057
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: making such an intense film about a blasphemous situation, like

1058
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like that kind of thing, and

1059
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean that's I think, you know, to

1060
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: the point of what you're saying is that it's cursed

1061
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,439
Speaker 1: because there was like accidents in things happening on set, so.

1062
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 2: So wild, so wild. Ugh, Well, I was. I was

1063
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: happy to rewatch with my grandmother. When Reagan's head turns around,

1064
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 2: I've never heard her laugh so hard. Yeah, And this

1065
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 2: is why I'm like, I'm so confused about things that

1066
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 2: are supposed to be scary now because I'm like, well,

1067
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 2: this is something that growing up I would have I

1068
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 2: learned to laugh at. And so the Exorcist when I

1069
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 2: saw it as a kid, was scary. And I particularly

1070
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 2: didn't like the crucifix scene because I'm like, I want

1071
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 2: she would be like lick me, and I'm like, I

1072
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 2: don't like this at all. But I definitely like the

1073
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 2: bed and the you know, there are things about the

1074
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 2: film itself that I always thought were more comical. And

1075
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 2: possibly that's just my reaction, my stress reaction to wanting

1076
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: to like take the fear out, because I also grew

1077
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: up Catholic, and you know, not to the point where

1078
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 2: it was, you know, a regular thing for us to

1079
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: go to church, but you know, we had crosses in

1080
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 2: our house and we believe, you know, taught to believe

1081
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 2: in that shit, And I was just like, I don't

1082
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 2: like this movie. But the movie is favorable towards Catholicism

1083
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 2: because you know, they they win, they get the demon out.

1084
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: Well, and that's you know, that's a whole other subject

1085
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: to talk about. I mean, honestly, you know, like there

1086
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: were just things in this movie that you know, growing up,

1087
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: I just couldn't imagine. Like I mean, at one point,

1088
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: Reagan calls a priest in the F word, and I

1089
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: was like, whoa, holy shit, Like, you know, the crucifixion scene,

1090
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: the desecration of you know, is that the Virgin Mary

1091
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: then the church. That kind of stuff seems so wicked

1092
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: to me growing up. Absolutely that that's the power of it,

1093
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: I think, is just what happens when you take the

1094
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: absolute like thing that you shouldn't ever imagine doing and

1095
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: do it in a movie. Yeah.

1096
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 2: Completely taboo, completely taboo. Well this this was a great

1097
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 2: pick for for Workmen's comp will not cover.

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00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: That Kazuzu ain't burning this set. I am getting my

1099
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: check Like, I'm not coming to work today.

1100
00:59:55,600 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 2: I will be filing acclaim the zoo zoo. Oh good,

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01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: I love it. That was Yeah, It's fantastic. I really

1102
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 2: loved going back to and watching this movie too, because

1103
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, having not seen it since

1104
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 2: I was probably a teenager, you know, just kept catching

1105
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 2: glimpses of it, you know, the ends of it when

1106
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 2: it was on TV or something, but not like really

1107
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 2: sitting down and watching it all the way through since

1108
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 2: I was a teenager. I also key it on different

1109
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,959
Speaker 2: things and was like, I don't know if I could

1110
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 2: hang on that set, like Ellen Burson is a g

1111
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 2: and you know Linda Blair is is They're tough, because

1112
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 2: this was a tough set to be on, to be

1113
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 2: like witnessing these things as an actor and kind of

1114
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 2: being part of that crew and being part of that

1115
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 2: I just I couldn't hang.

1116
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah for sure.

1117
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 2: Well. My film for the theme Workman's comp Does not

1118
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 2: cover this was released in nineteen ninety four. It's directed

1119
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 2: by Alex Proyas. The screenplay is by David Shao and

1120
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 2: John Shirley, but it's based on the comic book by

1121
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 2: James O'Barr. And my film is the crew's that gasoline.

1122
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: I smell Tome. I forgot that that Stone Tuble pilot

1123
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: song was from this movie.

1124
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 2: I know. I feel like every week, we really put

1125
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 2: the exactly right attorneys to their paces because we're always

1126
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 2: like every week we're like, uh, let's sing this whole

1127
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 2: lyric or like it's cool if we just like reference

1128
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 2: the Beatles for twenty minutes straight, right, then don't mind

1129
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 2: if we just sing all the Beatles songs. If we do.

1130
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: Not get legal clearance for me singing a Stone double

1131
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: Pilot song, it's fine, you'll take it.

1132
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 2: You'll take take any on that one.

1133
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: We handed it out on fine with it.

1134
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 2: Well. This movie when it came out, I did see

1135
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 2: it in the theater as I was obsessed with the soundtrack.

1136
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 2: I was sixteen when the movie came out, And the

1137
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 2: main reason I picked it for this theme is because

1138
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 2: it was the first movie where something disastrous happened in

1139
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 2: a way that I felt affected my life. Like I

1140
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: was waiting for this movie. I was excited about it.

1141
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 2: I love Bruce Lee, like I was psyched for this movie.

1142
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 2: And when it happened, it was like the biggest shock

1143
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 2: and tragedy because it I'd never experienced anything like that

1144
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 2: in real time.

1145
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: Wow.

1146
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, but I also picked it because the legacy

1147
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 2: of this type of accident is something we're still seeing

1148
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 2: happening now. So essentially, this movie's stars Brandon Lee, who

1149
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 2: was the son of Bruce Lee and Linda Lee Caldwell.

1150
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 2: And Brandon Lee was born in nineteen sixty five and

1151
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 2: his father, Bruce Lee, huge martial arts star, died suddenly

1152
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy three when Brandon was eight years old.

1153
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 2: So the way that his father died and that he

1154
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 2: died young and then he died of like an allergic reaction,

1155
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 2: it's kind of tied to the history of this film

1156
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 2: being cursed and the family being cursed. So, you know,

1157
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 2: Brandon Lee grew up without his dad, and he kind

1158
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 2: of in some accounts I read like he kind of

1159
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 2: had like a wayward childhood where he got in trouble

1160
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 2: a little bit, but he committed to studying martial arts

1161
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 2: and he went to college for theater, and he started

1162
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 2: starring in films, and he turned down a lot of

1163
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 2: films that had to do with his dad. I think

1164
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 2: he kind of grew up feeling really awkward about his dad,

1165
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 2: his dad's legacy, at least because he would, you know,

1166
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 2: go train for martial arts and see like huge pictures

1167
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 2: of his dad all over the studios and be like,

1168
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 2: this is weird, so he but he did, you know again,

1169
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 2: he kind of leveled out, started training properly, and started

1170
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 2: starring in films. So he His first film was Legacy

1171
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 2: of Rage, which was released in nineteen eighty six, and

1172
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 2: then he started in things like Laser Mission and show

1173
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 2: Down in Little Tokyo and Rapid Fire, and by all accounts,

1174
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 2: and he was filming this movie, his life was in

1175
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 2: a pretty good place. He was engaged to Eliza Hutton,

1176
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 2: who he met in Rennie Harlan's office. She was ready

1177
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 2: Harlan's assistant, and they were engaged. They met in nineteen

1178
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 2: ninety one. They were engaged in October of nineteen ninety two.

1179
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 2: And The Crow was supposed to be Brandon Lee's breakout role.

1180
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:25,479
Speaker 2: So the tragedy of this film is that Brandon Lee

1181
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 2: died on the set. He had filmed most of his scenes,

1182
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 2: but he died on the set during a scene that

1183
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 2: includes a gun. You can read about the specifics of it.

1184
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you as much as I can,

1185
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 2: based on like the Wikipedia article and his own, like

1186
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 2: the Bruce Lee Foundation website and some other places. But

1187
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 2: the gun was basically it was improperly loaded with dummy rounds,

1188
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 2: and it wasn't checked and cleared before they filmed the

1189
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: fatal scene. So this is an accident that also did

1190
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 2: not have to happen. And what happened is that there's

1191
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: this actor who pulled the trigger and shot Lee in

1192
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 2: a choreographed scene. But according to the Wikipedia article quote,

1193
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 2: Lee fell backwards instead of forwards as he was supposed to.

1194
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 2: When the director said cut, Lee did not stand up,

1195
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 2: and the crew thought he was either still acting or

1196
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 2: kidding around. Jeff Amata, who immediately checked Lee, noticed something

1197
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 2: was wrong when he came close and Lee was unconscious

1198
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 2: and breathing heavily met it. Clyde Basie went over and

1199
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 2: shook Lee to see if he was dazed by hitting

1200
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 2: his head during the fall, but he didn't think Lee

1201
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 2: had been shot since there was no visible bleeding. Basi

1202
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 2: took Lee's pulse, which was regular, but within two to

1203
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 2: three minutes it slowed down dramatically and stopped. So they

1204
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 2: filmed this movie. It's set in Detroit, but they filmed

1205
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 2: it in North Carolina. He was rushed to the hospital

1206
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 2: in Wilmington and they attempted to save his life for

1207
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 2: six hours after six hours of emergency surgery. He was

1208
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 2: pronounced dead on March thirty first, nineteen ninety three, and

1209
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 2: he was twenty eight years old, which is so tragically young.

1210
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 2: He's buried next to his father in Lakeview Cemetery in Seattle.

1211
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 2: And again, like the tragedy of this just compounds, it

1212
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 2: just keeps compounding because Brandon Lee and Eliza Hutton were

1213
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 2: supposed to be married three weeks later on April seventeenth,

1214
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 2: after he finished filming, and the crow you'll notice is

1215
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 2: dedicated to Brandon and Eliza. So there's also I think

1216
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 2: the tough thing about this in so many ways, not

1217
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 2: just the tragedy is immeasurable, but there's also a bit

1218
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 2: of life imitating art in this film. Specifically because the

1219
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 2: main character in the fiance in this film die the

1220
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 2: night before their wedding. It's just like those little kinds

1221
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 2: of things made people really feed into the fervor of like,

1222
01:06:56,760 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is a cursed situation for the family.

1223
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 2: Because of these little things that seemed like to parallel

1224
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 2: his character in the movie. It was really weird when

1225
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 2: it happened.

1226
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there's like this whole I watched the episode

1227
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: of Cursed Films about the Crow, and they were obviously

1228
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: bringing up a lot of things, but it was also

1229
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: that whole idea of In Bruce Lee's final movie, The

1230
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: Game of Death, there was a scene in the movie

1231
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: where he accidentally gets hit with a bullet on a

1232
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: shoot or something, and like, just that coincidence alone was

1233
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: I was like rocked by that. Like I just was like,

1234
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: I can't even believe that that is something that happened,

1235
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: Like it was just so strange, such a strange coincidence.

1236
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 2: Right. Oh. Yeah, people just could not stop themselves from

1237
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 2: noticing all these little parallels in the you know, prophetic

1238
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 2: connective marks that are just kind of too weird to

1239
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 2: be explained. Yeah, and it's it's just sad because, you know,

1240
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 2: Brandon Lee was survived by his mother, Linda and his

1241
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 2: sister Shannon Lee. And Shannon is an accomplished martial artist

1242
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 2: in her own right, and she's president of the Bruce

1243
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 2: Lee Foundation. She studied g kundo, taekwondo, kickboxing. She's an author.

1244
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 2: Her book is b Water My Friend, The Teachings of

1245
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 2: Bruce Lee. And she, in particular, along with Eliza Hutton,

1246
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 2: Eliza kind of broke her twenty eight year silence about this,

1247
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,799
Speaker 2: and Shannon spoke out about this as well in the

1248
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 2: wake of the tragic shooting death of Helena Hutchins, the

1249
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 2: cinematographer on the set of Rust, who was killed in

1250
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. She was forty two years old, and

1251
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,560
Speaker 2: in November of twenty twenty one, Shannon Lee wrote a

1252
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 2: guest column and Variety where she asks what I think

1253
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 2: are some pretty poignant questions. She says, quote, Could we

1254
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 2: require actors to receive mandatory gun safety training before handling

1255
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 2: a gun on a film set, so that they can

1256
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 2: have some sovereignty over their safety and the safety of

1257
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 2: those they are pointing a firearm at. Could the person

1258
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 2: in charge of safety on a film set not be

1259
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 2: the same person in charge of making sure the production

1260
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 2: runs on time and on budget so there are no

1261
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:20,839
Speaker 2: conflicts of interest or cutting of corners. Could a seasoned

1262
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 2: and competent gun safety specialist be required to be on

1263
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 2: set anytime a real firearm is being used, even just

1264
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:31,679
Speaker 2: for one setup, And could that specialist be the only

1265
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,560
Speaker 2: person hand to handle the weapons and hand them to

1266
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 2: the actors. Could we consider a shift away from using

1267
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 2: real firearms on sets as much as possible, and can

1268
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:46,839
Speaker 2: we think of this shift as innovation rather than punishment. Yeah,

1269
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 2: and so she, like you know, has been He's been

1270
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 2: gone for twenty eight years, but she's you know this,

1271
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 2: She and Eliza and Linda, like everyone who is affected

1272
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:59,879
Speaker 2: by this still feels the repercussions of it so strongly.

1273
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 2: I cannot imagine, like every time it happens, it's I'm

1274
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 2: sure it's like a ripping of the wound open for

1275
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 2: these senseless deaths. And George Clooney weirdly said the same

1276
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 2: thing because he was friends with Brandon Lee, and I

1277
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 2: read this article in People magazine where he said, and

1278
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 2: I quote, Brandon and I played ball and hung out

1279
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,839
Speaker 2: at the Hollywood YMCA three days a week. We were buddies,

1280
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 2: and this was his big break. Now, every single time

1281
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 2: I'm handed a gun on the set, every time they

1282
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 2: hand me a gun, I look at it, I open it,

1283
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 2: I show it to the person I'm pointing it to,

1284
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 2: I show it to the crew. Every single take, you

1285
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 2: hand it back to the armor. When you're done, you

1286
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 2: do it again. And part of it is because of

1287
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 2: what happened to Brandon, everyone does it. So his death

1288
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 2: really kind of changed the way a lot of people

1289
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 2: handled guns on set. It didn't stop guns from being

1290
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 2: on set, but it changed the handling of it. So

1291
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, I just think we owe

1292
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 2: it to his family and friends and not just discuss

1293
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 2: the tragedy of the event before we discuss the film

1294
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 2: that killed him, and to not just gloss over it,

1295
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 2: but also to remember like the shockwave of loss that

1296
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 2: affects anyone who experiences the death of a loved one

1297
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 2: due to gun violence. So it's yeah, it was just super,

1298
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 2: super tragic. And he again, he had filmed most of

1299
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 2: his scenes that they had to get stunt doubles and

1300
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 2: you know, people to kind of fill in for certain scenes,

1301
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 2: and he died before he got to really experience most

1302
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 2: of his life. He died at twenty eight years old.

1303
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 2: And it's just again, it's very sad. And I think

1304
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 2: when I came out, or when this movie came out,

1305
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 2: you know, I was sixteen, and I was sad because

1306
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 2: it happened in real time and I'd never and I

1307
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 2: loved Bruce Lee, and I'd never seen it before. But

1308
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 2: like right, I'd never seen anything like this before. But

1309
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 2: I also was sixteen and I was shallow, and I

1310
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 2: was sad that he was dead because he was gorgeous.

1311
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:50,719
Speaker 1: Oh my god, don't even get me started.

1312
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 2: He was the hottest guy I ever seen. And I

1313
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 2: was like, why did the sweet Lord take him from me?

1314
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 1: Listen, I love a half Asian as much as the

1315
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 1: next person, but it really hit me how beautifull he was. Like,

1316
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 1: I was like, because I did not see this movie

1317
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 1: and and when it came out, and I don't know

1318
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: how considering that I was a member of the Seven

1319
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 1: Deadly Monkeys and all these things, I think, to be

1320
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 1: honest with you, I feel like I feel like the

1321
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: death had an influence on whether or not I wanted

1322
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 1: to see it. I think I thought it was too creepy, right,

1323
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: I don't think I wanted to go and see a

1324
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: movie where I knew somebody had died, and so I

1325
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 1: just I don't know. I felt like maybe the fact

1326
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 1: that it did seem cursed in a way, like told

1327
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:40,679
Speaker 1: me not to see it. You know what I mean?

1328
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 2: Right? Oh yeah, it's it's even now watching it today,

1329
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:50,639
Speaker 2: like it is incredibly eerie because there are so many

1330
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 2: guns in this movie. Oh, I know, and it is.

1331
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 2: He gets shot a lot and it is hard to

1332
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 2: watch to this day knowing what happened to him. I

1333
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 2: completely understand that.

1334
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I but it's funny because, like I said,

1335
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 1: I was kind of joking about it at the beginning

1336
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 1: of you know, our theme, where I was saying that

1337
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: if I had seen this movie when I was supposed

1338
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 1: to have seen it as a teenager, would have changed

1339
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: the trajectory of my life. I mean honestly, like, like

1340
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 1: style wise, this was it for me. Like I was like,

1341
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is like this is like the

1342
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 1: Matrix and you know, all like John Wick and all

1343
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: these movies that come from this type of thing, which

1344
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 1: is like, you know, a hot dude, kick an ass,

1345
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:41,560
Speaker 1: great soundtrack.

1346
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 2: You know.

1347
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 1: I just was like, this would have like completely changed me.

1348
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 2: But it would have. I truly cannot believe you hadn't

1349
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,600
Speaker 2: because I think the same thing. Yeah, I think you

1350
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 2: would have been the person who have written John Wick

1351
01:13:54,760 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 2: or John wickstyle Universe for Brandon Lee and he survived,

1352
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 2: and had you seen this movie, you could be like

1353
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 2: you would have been like the premiere goth of Atlanta.

1354
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 2: I think if you had seen this.

1355
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 1: That would have been like I would have been standing

1356
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 1: on a rooftop with smeared eye eyeliner, listening to that

1357
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:18,799
Speaker 1: song every damn day after school.

1358
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 2: But I still have this the cassette. I still have

1359
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 2: the cassette, not even gonn to front and look the

1360
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 2: Cure has a song on it like you Wanna you

1361
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 2: want to sanction and bless your fucking goth ass movie

1362
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 2: put an original song by The Cure on there. But yeah,

1363
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 2: this soundtrack was fucking hot. It was a hot ass

1364
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 2: soundtrack and the movie and the reason I kind of

1365
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 2: wanted to also talk about Brandon Lee's life, not just

1366
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 2: to pay a little bit of homage to him and

1367
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 2: his family, is that the movie was supposed to be

1368
01:14:56,360 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 2: his his breakout role. It definitely it was a commercial

1369
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 2: and critical success in the wake of his death, and

1370
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 2: I don't think it would have been had he lived.

1371
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 2: Because it's not a great movie. It's just an interesting movie.

1372
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1373
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:12,759
Speaker 2: Part of it is that it's based on a comic

1374
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 2: book they have, you know, they stay true to the

1375
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:19,839
Speaker 2: content and it just doesn't age well. But it wasn't great,

1376
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 2: but it was interesting. And now watching it again, I

1377
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 2: haven't seen it in decades and watching it again, I'm like,

1378
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 2: I think he would have been a good comic actor,

1379
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 2: and I would have liked to have seen him do

1380
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:35,560
Speaker 2: more action, more action roles, but it wasn't a great movie.

1381
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 1: Yes, I it's one of those things. Is it good

1382
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 1: or was I horny? A type of scenarios. I definitely

1383
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,839
Speaker 1: had I seen this movie when we were doing that bracket,

1384
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 1: I would have put this right at the top because

1385
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: I was horny for Brandon Lee Sorry, rest in peace, King,

1386
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:56,799
Speaker 1: I was horny for you. I was like those abs,

1387
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:58,679
Speaker 1: like the whole thing. I was like, oh my gosh.

1388
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 1: And I definitely I could tell myself. I was like,

1389
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 1: if I had seen this in ninety four, I would

1390
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: have thought this was a fucking masterpiece of filmmaking. But

1391
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:14,679
Speaker 1: then seeing it now, seeing it now, you're like, oh yeah,

1392
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 1: some of these scenes, like the weird kind of transition

1393
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 1: scenes are a corny you know, like.

1394
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 2: Come on, and a lot of that is just like again,

1395
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 2: like the tech doesn't age well or whatever, but like, yes,

1396
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 2: would he busts out of that grave and start scaling

1397
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 2: that fire escape without a shirt on and his back

1398
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 2: is all you know, I don't even like muscles, but

1399
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 2: his back is all like muscly, And I was like

1400
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 2: this is this is it for me. I cannot believe

1401
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 2: the sweet Lord took this back out of the world.

1402
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 2: I how fucking dairy sweet back. But I will say

1403
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 2: so this movie again one sentence synopsis. After getting murdered

1404
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 2: trying to save his girlfriend during a break in and

1405
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 2: sexual as thought, Eric Draven comes back from the dead

1406
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 2: as the Crow, a vigilante set upon seeking revenge against

1407
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 2: the men who killed them. So the movie takes place

1408
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 2: in Detroit. Eric Draven, the Crow, and his girlfriend Shelley

1409
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 2: are killed on Devil's Night, the night before Halloween, which

1410
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:21,799
Speaker 2: in the fictional version of Detroit means there are one

1411
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 2: hundred and forty three fires going like that is how

1412
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 2: we enter the movie. This city is sizzling, wow, sizzling,

1413
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 2: one forty three fires and we find out later that

1414
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 2: Shelley was targeted because she was trying to rally the

1415
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 2: tenants in their building to prevent eviction at the hand

1416
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 2: of the city's crime boss. So we come in and

1417
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 2: they're like, you know, he's dead, Like he's he's been

1418
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 2: pushed out of a window. She's still alive but hanging on,

1419
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 2: which again also weird shitty parallel to real life. That

1420
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:56,639
Speaker 2: he was worked on for six hours and oh god,

1421
01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 2: just awful. But Ernie Hudson pleas ative name all brickt

1422
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 2: and you know I love Ernie Hudson. He is an

1423
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 2: og in my world, and he will smoke a cigarette

1424
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 2: over your body as your body is being loaded into

1425
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:20,680
Speaker 2: an ambulance by the EMS. He's a detective who's been

1426
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 2: demoted to beat cop and he kind of doesn't give

1427
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 2: a shit.

1428
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 1: Yo, smoked out King.

1429
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 2: That's like all he's doing in this movie is smoking chain,

1430
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 2: just chain in it, and so he's just like smoking, like, yeah,

1431
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,600
Speaker 2: this sucks, but it also kind of piques his curiosity

1432
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 2: and kind of gets him back in detective mode. So

1433
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 2: Eric is a musician who is in a band called

1434
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 2: Hangman's Joke so nineties, and he is just absolutely dead,

1435
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 2: no question about it, Smashed on the sidewalk Dead. There's

1436
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 2: a precocious little kid named Sarah who kind of skateboards everywhere,

1437
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 2: and we later find out that her mom is addicted

1438
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 2: to drugs and dating one of the bad guys. Yes,

1439
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 2: so everything happens. He's dead. A year later, Sarah goes

1440
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 2: to his grave to lay flowers and a crow is there,

1441
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:10,720
Speaker 2: and the crow is pecking on the headstone like knock, knock, motherfucker.

1442
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 2: Time to get some revenge. And there's this whole explanation

1443
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 2: in the beginning, you know, this kind of voice over

1444
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 2: from Sarah about how crows carry in some cultures, crows

1445
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 2: carry souls to the next life, but if they've been

1446
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 2: wronged in this life, they're brought back to secret venge

1447
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 2: or to fix what was wrong. So crow stars tappen

1448
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:31,639
Speaker 2: on that headstone. Eric explodes out of his own grave

1449
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 2: and then the crow just starts leading him around like

1450
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 2: fucking animal crossing. He goes back to his apartment, and

1451
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 2: when he starts touching things, he has these like visceral memories.

1452
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 2: His cat is still His cat is not only still alive,

1453
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,839
Speaker 2: his cat still lives there and has like a silky

1454
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 2: mane ye, like this white long haired cat has somehow

1455
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 2: remained pristine in this filth building, yeah.

1456
01:19:56,840 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: Where there's one and forty some fires going on.

1457
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 2: Hundred and forty three fires. But he's, you know, he's

1458
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 2: touching things and he's reliving shit, and he's like, you know,

1459
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:09,679
Speaker 2: grabbing onto the fucking smashed window handle and his hands bleed.

1460
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 2: But then the he realizes that the cuts like instantly heal,

1461
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 2: And I'm like, all right, I can get why the

1462
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 2: cuts heel because we're doing some magical realism. How does

1463
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 2: his one year old dead body still have blood? Can

1464
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 2: we go back and explain that for a minute. No, okay, fine,

1465
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 2: we're moving on. He sees a little porcelain mask hanging

1466
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 2: in the apartment, and he paints his face white with

1467
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 2: these you know, black lips and black lines. They did

1468
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 2: him so dirty with that makeup, because how dare you

1469
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 2: cover up that gorgeous face? I know, I know, how

1470
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 2: dare you make him look like a fucking harlequin.

1471
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 1: They're like, well, we gave you the back, Okay, we

1472
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 1: can't enough. We gotta do something, gotta give him some

1473
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 1: kind of look.

1474
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, They're like, look, we put him in leather pants.

1475
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 2: What more do you want from me? He's still kind

1476
01:20:56,280 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 2: of a musician. Hangman's joke is black tonight, and the

1477
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 2: Crow is just like, all right, you got your outfit.

1478
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 2: Time to become your seeing ie crow, Like see looks

1479
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 2: through my vampire eyes, look through my crow eyes. And

1480
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 2: they started cruising on the street because now his whole

1481
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:21,640
Speaker 2: purpose is like I've been brought back. I'm going to

1482
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 2: kill everyone who was involved in my murder and the

1483
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 2: murder of my.

1484
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 1: Fiance, the killers, as he's called right.

1485
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 2: The killer of killers. So he has to go find

1486
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:39,560
Speaker 2: this gang. And the gang are these guys named t Bird, Tintin, Skank,

1487
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 2: and fun Boy. And when we meet them, they're pumping

1488
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 2: their fists in the air shouting fire it up like

1489
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 2: some real insurrectionists January sixth bullshit. Yeah, and they're also

1490
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 2: just swallowing bullets like I would come back for revenge too.

1491
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 2: I was killed by those idiots. If I was killed

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Speaker 2: by someone who swallowed bully it's for fun, I would

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01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 2: come back and be like, you gotta go.

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Speaker 1: I know, didn't you see didn't you notice Lawrence Mason

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01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 1: in this movie who was in Hackers? And I was like,

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01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 1: he's always part of like an alternative guy.

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Speaker 2: Gang one hund percent. He is always like that dude

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Speaker 2: in the gang. But yeah, so Lawrence Mason plays Tintin

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01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 2: and he's the first to go. And all you need

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Speaker 2: to know about Tintin is he has a long black

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Speaker 2: leather coat and endless knives. Tintin to can pull a

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01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:31,799
Speaker 2: knife out of thin fucking air. Yeah, the Crow finds

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01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:34,759
Speaker 2: him and is like, I'm gonna tell you a story.

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01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 2: You fucking you know, sexually assaulted my fiance and killed me.

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01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 2: And he was like yes, so what like yeah, one

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01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:44,679
Speaker 2: hundred and forty three fires, dude, we do that shit

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01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:47,120
Speaker 2: all the time. But when they find him, when they

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01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 2: find his body, he every single knife he owns is

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01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 2: stuck in his chest. And later one of the other

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01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 2: bad guys is like, they stuck the knives in his

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01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 2: chest in alphabetical order of his organs, and I'm like,

1512
01:22:58,479 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 2: how do you know that?

1513
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 1: That sons how they do things here, that's how they

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01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 1: do it.

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Speaker 2: And we also get his sigil in blood on the wall,

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01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:11,599
Speaker 2: the sigel of the crow. I mean, Eric Draven definitely

1517
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 2: was in high school theater. Like he is so dramatic.

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01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 2: He's a very dramatic dude. So then he hits up

1519
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 2: a pawn shop where, like you know, typically like you do,

1520
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 2: he loads up a shotgun with wedding rings and then

1521
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 2: grabs a guitar and lights the place on fire.

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01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:31,759
Speaker 1: Grabbing the guitar is something that ninety four milliated Chericho

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01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 1: would have fucking loved. The little touch, the little touch.

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01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 2: Tiny touched because he took Tintin's coats. So now he's

1525
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 2: got his long leather and his leather pants and he

1526
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 2: grabbed a guitar, a black guitar. This dude's on point.

1527
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:50,599
Speaker 2: And for me, the funniest part of the movie's kind

1528
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 2: of funny, Like there's there's this one part where somebody,

1529
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 2: you know, the cops kind of fine Draven and they

1530
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 2: tell him to stick his hands up and not move

1531
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 2: and he like tap dances all off the screw off

1532
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 2: the screen, which is hilarious to me. I don't know,

1533
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 2: I love it. But the all time funniest thing in

1534
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 2: this movie, which continues to make me laugh all these

1535
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 2: years later, is when all Breck draws the makeup of

1536
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 2: the crow on the band photo of Eric and he's like,

1537
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 2: is this the guy I met? I don't know? Is

1538
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 2: this the Killer of Killers? He just like uses this

1539
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 2: sharp you to like make a little lipstick. So it's

1540
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 2: just really fucking funny. And then you know, you get

1541
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 2: you get your typical it's the kind of the dark,

1542
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 2: gritty movie of him going through the city and finding

1543
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 2: the guys and killing everybody. And occasionally you go into

1544
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 2: a club and there's a goth band playing and if

1545
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 2: you were a goth band in the nineties, you better

1546
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 2: have somebody wearing their underwear on the outside.

1547
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 1: Was that My Life with a Thrill killed Colt that

1548
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 1: played at one point in the movie. I think it.

1549
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:53,639
Speaker 2: I believe it was. Yeah, I believe it was telling

1550
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 2: him it was again, get this. At least pull up

1551
01:24:57,479 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 2: this soundtrack, even if you don't want to listen to it.

1552
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:03,280
Speaker 2: It changed lives. It changed lives. Yeah, but yeah, Dreven

1553
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 2: just kind of goes on a rampage and he's killing people,

1554
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,720
Speaker 2: and he reconnects with Sarah and he's fighting people with

1555
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 2: the steeples on churches like it's just a fun fucking

1556
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 2: action movie. I think again, I think it could have

1557
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 2: led to bigger things. I would have loved to have

1558
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 2: seen Brandon Lee do a lot more action in this movie,

1559
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 2: but also I would have loved to have seen him

1560
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 2: do a lot more action movies in general. But he

1561
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 2: was hot, and he was taken too soon for my

1562
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 2: sixteen year old mind. As an adult, I feel more

1563
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 2: for his family and friends. I loved one yeah, but

1564
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 2: at the time I was like, Oh, I can't believe

1565
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 2: that this hot dude is dead and we barely knew ye.

1566
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, barely knew ye. I mean honestly, like I again,

1567
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 1: like a perfect theme for me to watch a movie

1568
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 1: that I'd never seen before, secretly hoping that you would

1569
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 1: have picked it, and you did. I set it up.

1570
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 1: It was all a.

1571
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 2: Master plan or mine melding now.

1572
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 1: But honestly, like to the point of the theme this film,

1573
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 1: I would say, like just you know, by the numbers,

1574
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 1: it feels like this movie, I mean, it has a

1575
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 1: reputation for being cursed, I think more than my film

1576
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:12,720
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. I mean, you know,

1577
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,719
Speaker 1: my movie there is cursed because there's a fire and

1578
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:19,719
Speaker 1: you know some people, but like this whole, this whole

1579
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:23,559
Speaker 1: legend with his dad and you know, the game of

1580
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 1: Death scene and all of the kind of you know,

1581
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 1: the stuff about the family. I mean that is like

1582
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 1: what you know people remember about it. And it was

1583
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 1: something that I think maybe spooked me out a little

1584
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 1: too much in ninety four. But I'm so glad I

1585
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 1: finally saw it because Brandon Lee is like incredible, and

1586
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:49,880
Speaker 1: he's such a haughty but also like funny and talented,

1587
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 1: and he's like body confidence and you're just like, oh

1588
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 1: my god. He would have been able to do. He

1589
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 1: probably could have been John Wick. Let's get serious. As

1590
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 1: much as I love k let's get serious.

1591
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 2: Listen, if Brandon Lee was alive, he would be like

1592
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 2: fifty eight. Yeah, like he would be the same age

1593
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 2: as Keanu Reeves.

1594
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure, he would.

1595
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 2: Have been the proto John Wick and just tragedy all

1596
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 2: over the place. But I'm glad we got a few

1597
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 2: movies from him. And you know, again, it's just the

1598
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 2: spooky parallels between the actual plot of the film and

1599
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 2: his life, coupled with the spooky parallels to his father.

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01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 2: Ye just really threw this over the edge into cursed

1601
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 2: territory for a lot of people.

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01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 1: So well, Danielle. As always, it was such a great

1603
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 1: episode to watch these two movies together, you know. I

1604
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:42,799
Speaker 1: know it was kind of a dark theme, but honestly,

1605
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 1: like I loved chopping it up with you. It was

1606
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 1: so good me too. Okay, So if you would like

1607
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:51,560
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1611
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1613
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1614
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Speaker 2: the time now, like there's a new one on the

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Speaker 2: third there's a new Bonus episode on the on the

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01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:16,880
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1619
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Speaker 1: I went to our feed and was like, holy fuck,

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01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:23,479
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I can't keep up. And then people are

1622
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:29,559
Speaker 2: commenting on things and I'm like, what, oh, we said

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01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 2: that like two years ago. That must be another new

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01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:42,639
Speaker 1: why would you? Oh wait, so there we go, there

1627
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Speaker 1: we go.

1628
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 2: Also, I don't know if you're feeling this, but I

1629
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 2: feel like, prior to us releasing the bonus episodes to

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01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 2: the main feed, I don't think a lot of people

1631
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:54,639
Speaker 2: were listening to the bonus episode and everyone's like wow,

1632
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:58,639
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you'd ever listen to us for two

1633
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:00,000
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1634
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:04,759
Speaker 1: So glad we did all lose where nobody was listening

1635
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 1: until now.

1636
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 2: For the three people who are listening, thanks thanks well there.

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01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:16,519
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1639
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1640
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1641
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1642
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:33,760
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1643
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1644
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Speaker 2: oh hope you're like it.

1645
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:40,439
Speaker 1: Here we go.

1646
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Speaker 2: So those, Yeah, there's just like a new bonus. I

1647
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Speaker 2: cannot keep up with how fast the new bonuses are

1648
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Speaker 2: coming out or the old bonuses are coming out. So yeah,

1649
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Speaker 2: just follow follow us on the podcast the device of

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1651
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Speaker 2: But next week, I cannot tell you how excited I

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01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:05,200
Speaker 2: am for next week's theme.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, peo peo, peo, peo peo. No no, no, no, no, no,

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01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 1: Okay are movies for next week? Are you ready for

1655
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:14,720
Speaker 1: this shit?

1656
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 2: Oh?

1657
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:19,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna have to watch The Elephant Man from

1658
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty and Nightmare Alley from nineteen forty seven.

1659
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:28,680
Speaker 2: Damn, and this is a milli theme And listen. I

1660
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,320
Speaker 2: know you always say I don't come up with good themes,

1661
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 2: but when you come up with a theme it is

1662
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:38,800
Speaker 2: a banger. It's like you save it all up and

1663
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 2: then you're like, what about this, and I'm like that

1664
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 2: is perfection?

1665
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, I'd love to toe my own

1666
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 1: horn on this. It is a quote from a song,

1667
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 1: but it is the best quote I could think of.

1668
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 1: So I did think of the quote.

1669
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 2: I did.

1670
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 1: Somebody just said it before me, but I thought of it.

1671
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 1: And now it's the name of an episode and I'm

1672
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 1: obsessed with this.

1673
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:00,719
Speaker 2: Well until next week.

1674
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 1: Danielle has always a pleasure doing this podcast with you.

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01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 2: I love it. I'm psyched. Yah. This has been an

1676
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:20,240
Speaker 2: exactly right production. Produced by Casey O'Brien, mixed by Edson Choi.

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01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 2: Our theme song is by Tom bry Fogel. Artwork by

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Speaker 2: Garrett Ross. Our executive producers are Georgia Hartstart, Karen kile

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Speaker 2: Gaff and Daniel Kramer. You can follow us on Instagram

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