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Speaker 1: Ron An Aian, it's a bumper cover. It's not a bumper.

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Speaker 1: You know that that all the all the structural support

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Speaker 1: and all the strength for that bumper is underneath. And

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Speaker 1: he was, can you just put it back on? And

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Speaker 1: I said, you know, I've got to see it. I

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Speaker 1: kind of doubt that there isn't some sort of damage here.

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Speaker 2: My ket it a little greasy.

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Speaker 1: If my vanbody.

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Speaker 2: Won't break with things get hard the way they do,

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Speaker 2: you don't just walk away. My start at rusty, but

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Speaker 2: it'll shine stops anlasy.

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Speaker 1: What he knew all of all. We weren't just fixing cars.

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Speaker 3: The car Doctor no transmission fluid.

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Speaker 1: I mavitained only because it's the sealed transmission, right. But

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Speaker 1: that doesn't even have a deck, right. This is forever

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Speaker 1: transmission fluid, or until the transmission starts to fill, which

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Speaker 1: is what it's doing now.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the radio home of Roninanian, the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 4: Since nineteen ninety one. This is where car owners the

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Speaker 4: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair.

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Speaker 4: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up

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Speaker 4: the phone and call in. The garage doors.

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Speaker 1: Are open but I am here to take your call

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Speaker 1: at eighty five five five six oh ninety nine hundred

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Speaker 4: Pee, Ronnie.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the best things I ever got

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Speaker 1: to do was fixed cars. I really do, you know.

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Speaker 1: I get to do it every week, and I've been

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Speaker 1: doing it a long time. And it's funny because you

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Speaker 1: think you're going to remember everything forever, and then sometimes

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Speaker 1: can you imagine my mechanic. Danny's got an eighty seven

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Speaker 1: Volkswagon and he drives it every day and I love

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Speaker 1: him for it. It's just it's the funniest thing to

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Speaker 1: see this little red cabriole convertible volkes Wagon come down

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Speaker 1: the street. You know, here comes Danny when he's not

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Speaker 1: in his Z twenty eight. I mean, what a dichotomy

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Speaker 1: of vehicles, right that he goes from an eighty seven

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Speaker 1: Volkswagen convertible rabbit basically a cabriole, to a seventy eight

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Speaker 1: Z twenty eight yellow. You know, it's like opposite ends

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Speaker 1: this eighty seven Volkswagen it's it's. After buying it, he

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Speaker 1: salvage title on it, so it should have died back

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Speaker 1: in ninety three when it was junked and it was

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Speaker 1: resurrected out of the junkyard. And you know, it's still

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Speaker 1: years later, forty almost fifty years later, right, it's kind

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Speaker 1: of creeping up, and you know, you you start to

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Speaker 1: things that you got to fix, and there's a lot,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're just is, it's, it's, and it's a

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Speaker 1: neat little piece. And he gets it. He gets he

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Speaker 1: partly because he gets more looks with the which doesn't

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Speaker 1: make any sense to me. More people stop and talk

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Speaker 1: to me about this rate eighty seven Volkswagon than the

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Speaker 1: yellow seventy eight Z twenty eight Camara, which just shows

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Speaker 1: you how cock eyed the world is. Doesn't make any

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Speaker 1: sense to me. I shake my head every time, and God, God,

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Speaker 1: but it broke this week. It developed a misfire, it

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Speaker 1: developed a stutter, and you know, an eighty seven Volkswagon.

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Speaker 1: You know we're talking. You know, there's no computer on

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Speaker 1: this thing. There's no you're you're back to diagnosing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is hardcore diagnostics. There's a there's a there's an

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Speaker 1: oxygen sensor. There's a frequency valve which they used in

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Speaker 1: tune with the oxygen sensor to adjust fuel mixture. And

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's real, primitive pete stuff. It's it's real, right,

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Speaker 1: I forgot all this, well I thought I did. And

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Speaker 1: you know, Danny's looking at it, and he's and I

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Speaker 1: kind of walk up over and what you're doing, Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out where well, you know, this

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Speaker 1: that you forgot it. It's just stored in a different

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Speaker 1: file on the hard drive in your head, and you know,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden it comes back. This is CIS

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Speaker 1: and this is the adjustment for O two or the mixture,

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Speaker 1: but you've got to misfire, I said, before we dive

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to the basics, and we eliminated ignition

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Speaker 1: right all the you know it had it had two

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Speaker 1: an eighty seven Volkswagon and only spend about eighty bucks.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's just great. There's just you know, either

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Speaker 1: they know either the parts manufacturers know there's no value

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Speaker 1: parts that they made so many years ago. Because we

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Speaker 1: were getting parts boxes that were datecoded from two thousand

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Speaker 1: tuned it up and I said, look, this isn't going

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Speaker 1: This isn't going to fix it, but it's going to

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Speaker 1: eliminate stuff. It's we're going to call this our diagnosis.

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Speaker 1: So we did all the tuneo parts and unfortunately I

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Speaker 1: you know what it could be. So now I've got

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Speaker 1: a miss. Well what do I always tell you guys,

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Speaker 1: If it's a lawn mower engine, it's got a miss.

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Speaker 1: Is it ignition? Is it fuel? Is it mechanical? So

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Speaker 1: that it had a consistent misfire on cylinder three. It

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Speaker 1: would be no change in idle rpm but it ran

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Speaker 1: Volkswagen called it. It's kind of interesting. It's got a

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Speaker 1: moves a spool valve similar to a spool valve or

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Speaker 1: what you might find in a valve body of an

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Speaker 1: automatic transmission. And the further up it goes, the more

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Speaker 1: There's always fuel flowing through the injectors. It's hydraulic injection.

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Speaker 1: It's actually pretty ingenious, right. It shows where the Germans

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Speaker 1: And this way, when the intake valve opens, the fuel

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Speaker 1: and while we have combustion and the engine runs. So

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Speaker 1: fuel distributor. Right, is the fuel distributor clogged? Because when

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Speaker 1: I tell you this fuel distributor on an eighty seven

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Speaker 1: Volkswagon cis system all right, And it doesn't matter. All

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Speaker 1: CIS of this generation was this very specific. The spool

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Speaker 1: volume is so precise. I can't I can't explain it

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Speaker 1: I've done too many of these. And if you took

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Speaker 1: the metering block. It's that reactive, it's that precise, it's

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Speaker 1: I always want to get the fuel distributor out of

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Speaker 1: the realm of possibilities. I just I want to eliminate

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Speaker 1: it every time. So what you can do is you

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Speaker 1: can move fuel lines on a CIS fuel injection system.

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Speaker 1: If you look at it and you understand how it works,

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Speaker 1: you can just move. So I swapped cylinder three with

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Speaker 1: cylinder four. They're opposite each other, and the lines would

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Speaker 1: which is good because if you can find one, there

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Speaker 1: fuel distributor. It could be mechanical, it could be engine.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the funny thing is it was there

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Speaker 1: it was dead night. You know, I don't see intake

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Speaker 1: tulip of the intake valve and they were a problem,

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Speaker 1: and you know that was an issue, or they would

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Speaker 1: pop a head gasket. But then i'd see a misfire

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Speaker 1: on two cylinders usually, and you know what, it's easier

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Speaker 1: then I'll go chase mechanical. I'm going to do this

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Speaker 1: a little backwards more than I normally do. So I

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Speaker 1: took the injector for two and three and I swapped them,

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Speaker 1: you know, disconnect them from the line, swapped and put

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Speaker 1: them back in. And now the misfires on too have

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Speaker 1: a bad injector. You know, it's funny what you remember, right,

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Speaker 1: And it's also funny what they don't do. They don't really,

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Speaker 1: they don't really reinvent new things with cars. They just

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Speaker 1: bring back the same thing in a different form. Cis

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Speaker 1: and the way we move the injector in the lines

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Speaker 1: around is very similar to coil on plug ignition. Right,

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Speaker 1: you move the plug, you move the coil. You're eliminating ignition.

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Speaker 1: You're trying to eliminate mechanical. You're trying to look at fuel.

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Speaker 1: Now it's easy to move ignition and hard to move fuel.

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Speaker 1: Back then it was easy to move fuel as well

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Speaker 1: as ignition. Cars are getting more difficult. But what really

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Speaker 1: got me was we ordered a new injector, which doesn't

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Speaker 1: And I looked at the daycoat on the box. This

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Speaker 1: injector had been sitting on the shelf fifteen years, just

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Speaker 1: you think about it, how old this stuff is. Put

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Speaker 1: it in the car, car runs like a Swiss watch.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's staggering. It's so different and so quiet

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Speaker 1: Look at how good they are or were. I don't

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Speaker 1: part something as critical as an injector, wrap it up,

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Speaker 1: of that component. Fifteen years. Some kid went to school

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Speaker 4: For the best in car advice, Give Ron a call

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Speaker 4: eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero.

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Speaker 1: Hey, let's get over to David and Florida right away.

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Speaker 1: Thirteen Chrysler three hundred. David, you're on with the Car

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Speaker 5: Yes, sir Doc, How you doing good?

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Speaker 1: What's going on?

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Speaker 5: Well, I've got that Chrysler three hundred garage kept. It's

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Speaker 5: And I'd say every fourth or fifth start will fail.

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Speaker 5: and then immediately the next push the car will start again. Okay,

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Speaker 5: And it's just starting to become a little more problematic

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Speaker 1: Right, So, any any dashboard warning lights, anybody look at this,

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Speaker 5: No, nobody's looked at it yet. I I just heard

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Speaker 5: and I figured let me give the doctor call before

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Speaker 5: So dashboard ignition like or anything, no, sir.

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Speaker 1: So the first thing I want to do is can

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Speaker 1: every fourth or fifth push of the button. And if

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Speaker 1: Prove to me that this isn't a fuel related problem.

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Speaker 1: As far as you know, this this sputter, and this

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Speaker 1: complete module scan, not OBD two. All right, I want

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Speaker 1: All right? This is the same thing as the computer

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Speaker 1: Is one bad computer slowing the whole network down and

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Speaker 1: preventing it from starting. The push button function itself is

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Speaker 1: pretty dynamic, they're pretty good. We see very few problems

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Speaker 1: But there are problems where you push the button and

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Speaker 1: if a computer module provides an improper response, it will

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Speaker 1: prevent the vehicle from starting. It will not make it sputter,

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Speaker 1: all right, it will not give it a hard a

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Speaker 1: hard start. And that's more of what you're experiencing. Correct,

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Speaker 1: Just so I understand this.

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Speaker 5: Yes, right, Yes, that that sounds like a good explanation

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Speaker 1: Right, So, you know if you had a if you

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Speaker 1: it just it just the engine doesn't fire. It doesn't start.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's like a lawnmower. You can pull it

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Speaker 1: I'm the fifth pole, it kind of wheezes and coughs

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Speaker 1: You recycle it and bang it fires right up? Correct,

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Speaker 1: good fuel pressure. All right. The value there is fuel

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Speaker 1: So there's the value in fuel pressure. As far as

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Speaker 1: It's like the sun's going to come up in the

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Speaker 1: Does anything come back? All right? Number three? Just because

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Speaker 1: Is it possible that this this vehicle is a flex

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Speaker 1: but we'd have to catch that live in the act

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Speaker 1: Run those other tests, call me back, we can talk

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Speaker 1: about it more. David, good luck to you. Let me

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Speaker 1: know I'm running any in the car. Doctor, I'm back

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Speaker 1: right after this. It's hard to come back from that bumper. Tom.

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Speaker 1: I just that's just you know, that's that's my guy.

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Speaker 1: So run an indy of the card doctor here kind

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Speaker 1: Let's go talk to Paul and Virginia. Paul, welcome back, sir.

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Speaker 1: How's the ninety one fifty today. How's it treating you? Yes, right, yes, sir?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 1: What's going on?

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Speaker 3: I've gotten Uh, I've got a ninety four one fifty

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Speaker 3: puel injected. Of course it's a four point nine to

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Speaker 3: sixth owiner. And uh two weeks ago it uh it

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Speaker 3: So I got into a park lot and I could

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Speaker 3: into bottle and got it started up. Sode knew it's

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Speaker 3: That was fine. I swapped out relays and still cannot

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Speaker 3: uh so I bought When I bought it a couple

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Speaker 3: good connections. So I made better connections and uh, you

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Speaker 1: Is this a single tank truck? Is this a single

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Speaker 3: So that that helps out a lot. And uh with

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Speaker 3: I mean not in the tank in so yeah, that

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Speaker 3: to the pump, right, So that that did. I removed

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Speaker 3: Sure enough, I heard the pump started right up, and

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Speaker 3: I tried it several times. I also let it run

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Speaker 3: and so I I took a little trip with it,

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Speaker 1: But I'm hearing a butt. I knew there was gonna

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Speaker 3: I what did I say? I really didn't fectaining, although

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there is up a little.

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Speaker 3: Bit, and put it back in. Uh. Since then I

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Speaker 3: So maybe that made the difference. I wanted to check

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Speaker 1: Six cylinders were horrible hand on. So what's what's the problem.

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Speaker 1: What's the problem with the truck?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 1: Why are you calling me?

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Speaker 3: Well, it starts, it runs, but I'm just wondering about it.

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Speaker 3: And the other thing is when you, uh, when you

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Speaker 3: a while. You have to you know, keep and of

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Speaker 3: course that defense right.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's all listen, that's a that's so that's a

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Speaker 1: separate issue, right the filling the tank, you know, is

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Speaker 1: your is your question to me? Did it really need

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Speaker 1: a fuel pump?

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's what I was wondering. But it sounds the

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Speaker 3: same and it's always been quiet. You have to really listen, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I've got a ninety one Bronco with the five point eight,

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Speaker 3: and you can you can hear the pump all right,

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Speaker 3: you know, and it's got and all that, and still

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Speaker 3: you can hear the pump much more easily, Paul, Paul,

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Speaker 3: But you.

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Speaker 1: Gotta you gotta fight the fights you can win, and

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Speaker 1: pick the fights that make sense. If the pump is working,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't worry about it if you want, because you have,

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Speaker 1: the bed, right. You know, why don't you just for giggles,

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00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 1: just to make sure you've got power back there if

431
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: it happens again, why don't you just wire in a

432
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: light bulb. Put a light bulb across the power feed

433
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: and the ground to the pump, and when the pump's running,

434
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: the bull will be lit. If you get yourself into

435
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: a no start situation, you'll know right away, Hey, I've

436
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: got power, but I don't have a fuel pump running. Right?

437
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: Does that help the situation on an older vehicle? Just right?

438
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: Just wire in a one ninety four bulb. You know,

439
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 1: as far as you know why it's quiet, that doesn't

440
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: bother me. You know, it really doesn't. And I don't

441
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: think you can make a case for that. One other

442
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: thing to look at is now this is ninety four.

443
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: Let me think this is an OBD one vehicle. There

444
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: was some sort of a limited power power loss, some

445
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: sort of check engine lighting on the dashboard, not what

446
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: we saw later on in ninety six, right, there is

447
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: some sort of engine computer related dashboard warning light if

448
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: I remember right.

449
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 3: Yes, no, yeah, check engine light and it does not

450
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 3: come on.

451
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: So okay, well no more specifically, when you turn the

452
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: key to the imposition but not start it, does it

453
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: cycle a lot and go out after two seconds? I

454
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: haven't really take a look at that, because this vehicle,

455
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: like Fords of that era, should be wired that when

456
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: you cycle the key to the imposition but not crank it,

457
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: the light will come on and then go out. What

458
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 1: that's showing you is that the PCM, the engine controller,

459
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: is being powered up through the ignition cycle. All right,

460
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: it's waking up the And the reason you want to

461
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: know that is is because the Powertrain Control Module Relay

462
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: or PCM relay powers up the fuel pump relay. If

463
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: you don't see that light, then that means the PCM

464
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: did not wake up. That means the PCM relay did

465
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: not power up and it did not power up the

466
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: fuel pump relay. And that's critical in your situation. You

467
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: kind of need to know that, all right, Yeah, you know.

468
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 3: Is before the relay.

469
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: Right, the PCM relay is before the right the PCM

470
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 1: relay fires up the engine computer and it also fires

471
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: up the fuel pump relay. And if you think about it,

472
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: it makes sense. Right, if the PCM doesn't wake up,

473
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: why would they need the fuel pump to cycle? And

474
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 1: that's part of the reason why they do it like that. So,

475
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: you know, just just as a premptive, you know, understanding

476
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: how the vehicle works and design, that's that's a whole

477
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: nother story. Now, as far as putting fuel in the tank,

478
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: why don't we find the canister? You know, this sounds

479
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: like an older truck, you know, highway or country roads, dirt, mud, crud, spiderwebs, animals.

480
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: Why don't we find the charcoal canister and pop the

481
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: vent line off and see if that fixes the fuel

482
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: fill up problem? Right? And if it if it doesn't,

483
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: if it doesn't, find the line that comes from the

484
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: tank that goes to the canister, and that should do it.

485
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: If it's if it's restrictive based on right, because listen,

486
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: let's let's I'll tell you. Let me pull over, take

487
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: the pause, and when we come back, we'll talk real

488
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: quick about evapp all right, let me not let me

489
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: not miss this. So don't go away. I'm running any

490
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: of the car. Doctor, everybody, stay put, we'll return right

491
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: after this. Hey, let's get right back to the phone's

492
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: Paul Virginia. You're still there, sir. So you drink soda

493
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: right out of a can. You drink anything out of

494
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: a can, right, I know where you're going?

495
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 3: And then yeah I don't, but.

496
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: Okay, you know where I'm going. Right. You know, if

497
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: you had if if you had a can and you

498
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: punched a hole in one side of it and the

499
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: can was empty, you couldn't fill water through that hole.

500
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: You'd have to put a relief hole out the other

501
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: side of the can, right, yeah, And that's what the

502
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: gas tank deal is. So it's as simple as that. Now,

503
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: the canister on a ninety four f one fifty should

504
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 1: be upfront by the engine. It's down on the I

505
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: want to say, the driver's side, if I recall, right.

506
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's actually on the passes.

507
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I can't remember which side it was on,

508
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: but I knew it was up front. Well, the smaller

509
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: line should be the fuel vapor line coming from the tank.

510
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: It just it just might be easier to grab it there,

511
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: disconnect it there and go fill it up. Can you

512
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: put fuel in it? All right? If you still can't

513
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: pull fuel in it? And at this point, if you

514
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: want to just pull both lines if you have any doubt,

515
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: but one will say vapor and one'll say return. Just

516
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: pull the line at the canister. If you still can't

517
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: put fuel in it, then somewhere down the line, either

518
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: in the neck or the line coming up from the

519
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: rear of the vehicle is clogged. It's restricted. So now

520
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: you gotta go find Now you gotta go find the

521
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: other end of that hose. Disconnected at that at the

522
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: other end, does the problem go away? The problem still

523
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: doesn't go away that you know, you're just working your

524
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: way back to find where the can is restricted. If

525
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yeah, all right.

526
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I with having that problem, and now I've

527
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: got access to the to the pump. I pulled the

528
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 3: bens off the top of the tank, and uh I

529
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: looked at it and like it looked like get leaves

530
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 3: it as a very short piece of hose and then

531
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 3: it connects, and so I remove that and replace it

532
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 3: with some clear tubing and uh so we'll see what

533
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: happened after that, But I was I was wondering too

534
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: if perhaps it might be a good idea to uh

535
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 3: disconnect the lines, you know, at the canister and use

536
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 3: compressed air to blow those lines out.

537
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: If there isn't well, I don't know, I would if

538
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: you found you're telling me just now while we were

539
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: on the pause, you found debris in the line at

540
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: the tank itself.

541
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was uh. At the top of the tank,

542
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: there's there's a connector, and there's a short piece of

543
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 3: hose and then the hose that goes all the way

544
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 3: up front. And I noticed in that short section before

545
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 3: the the the straight piece that connects the two together

546
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 3: that it was bringing there. So I just replaced that

547
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 3: two inter sections.

548
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: Okay, So I mean listen, if if I would listen,

549
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: you found a problem, all right, don't overthink it. You

550
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: found a problem, right, you found you found an obstruction,

551
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: Put it together, take it, go, put fuel in it.

552
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: Problem's gone good, it's over. My fear of putting compressed

553
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: air through is depending upon the age of the fittings.

554
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: Is there any of the other obstructions in there? Are

555
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: you going to blow the line apart somewhere where you

556
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: don't want it to. I don't want to make a problem.

557
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to make Swiss cheese out of milk

558
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: unless I have to, all right, And you know, let's

559
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: just let's you know, right, well, that's it exactly. So

560
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: let's just take it and you found a problem, let's

561
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: find out. Let's test, not guess, and let's not you know,

562
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: let's not let's not fix something that may not be

563
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: broken yet. So yeah, good job. And I think for

564
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: a minute, and now I understand there's a hole in

565
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: the tank or the hole in the bed. So it's

566
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: making diagnosis a lot easier. Good luck to you, Paul.

567
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: Let us know what happens. I'm running any in the

568
00:31:52,280 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: car doctor. We're back right after this. Hey, welcome back,

569
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: Ronny in the card doctor. Eight five five five six

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00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: on nine nine zero zero. No more phone calls this hour,

571
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,840
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00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: five five six zero nine nine zero zero. It is

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00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,640
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574
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,400
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00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: weekend Saturday's to be specific, and you know we will

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00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: get you up on air if not, If you leave

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00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: a message at eight five five five six zero nine

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Speaker 1: nine zero zero. We'll put you in the queue and

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00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: you know, we'll talk to you during the next live

580
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: broadcast during midweek and so forth. And if you're looking

581
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: for the card Doctor during the week, get out to

582
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: the website cardoctorshow dot com. All kinds of stuff there,

583
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: the YouTube channel, in the Facebook, in the contact us form.

584
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: If you want us to talk to you on Wednesday night,

585
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: we're trying to do Wednesday Night with the Card Doctor

586
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: kind of thing where we're recording calls, so you know

587
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: you always have that option. I want to tell you

588
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: about how cars break, and they break for everybody, including

589
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: members of this radio family. So Tom called me this week.

590
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: His wife has a twenty ten Ford fusion and just

591
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: to let you know that, yeah, we you know, it's

592
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: not all magic, it just it just takes. It's physics, right,

593
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: it's just logic and common sense and you just got

594
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: to apply it. And missus Tom Ray has a problem

595
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: where her brake pedal intermittently at random goes to the floor. Now,

596
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: Tom lives in New York State, and I've seen the

597
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: car off and on, and New York State is a

598
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: little bit of ways up now and you know the

599
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: dealer serviced at last and in all the times I've

600
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: serviced it, and all the times dealer service that we've

601
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: never seen any thing that looks like a break, fluid

602
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: leak or loss or you know, an indication of Yeah,

603
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: here's why you've got a low brake pedal every now

604
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: and then. And I said to Tom, I said, you know,

605
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: if there are no leaks and you know everything is

606
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: functioning properly, and we can duplicate this. The first thing

607
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: I want to see is, you know, is the master

608
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: cylinder bypassing, because this is either going to be a

609
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: master cylinder that's failing a slow death at fifteen years

610
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: old and one hundred fifty thousand miles, or a failing

611
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: anti lock break hydraulic unit. Here's the catch, all right,

612
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: That anti lock breake control hydraulic unit runs anywhere from

613
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred to two grand. We're not sure if it's

614
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: available yet. I called Ford on Friday. They were checking.

615
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for a phone call back. I'll get that

616
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: on Monday. And you've got to do a mess cylinder anyway,

617
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: in my opinion, And here's why you can't take a

618
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: master cylinder. You can't take an ABS control unit that

619
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: flows brake fluid through it that might have dirty, contaminated

620
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: fluid from an older Master cylinder. You've got to hang

621
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: a Master. If you hang a Master, then you hang

622
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: the ABS control unit. Either way, you need both parts.

623
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: Either way, it's a lot of money. Either way, it's

624
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: still a fifteen year old car. And either way you

625
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: may not be able to do any of it because

626
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: you may not have to get parts. C See, the

627
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: problems happened for us, just like they happened for you,

628
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: and it's just a matter of picking our way through

629
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: it and taking it one step at a time. And

630
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: I was always counting on a good mechanic because, as

631
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: I always tell you, I'm Ron Ameni and the car doctor.

632
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: Good mechanics really aren't expensive. They really are priceless.

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00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: See Yeah,