Speaker 1: Bts man over the waters. We're out here in Croatia
Speaker 1: hanging out on the happy boat.
Speaker 2: Jack is a little scared.
Speaker 1: That's why he has his headphones on and smoke and
Speaker 1: he's just trying to stay meditated. Man, stay tuned behind
Speaker 1: the scenes. All the smoke, Croatia by Man. We've had
Speaker 1: a great day today. We hopped on the boat, sailed
Speaker 1: to a couple of islands. What are we doing here today?
Speaker 1: So I understand this is a little club team.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, this is a local team. Yadrin Kathem from
Speaker 3: the Losian Islands. I spend my summers playing basketball here.
Speaker 3: Enjoyed it quite a lot. So a lot of people
Speaker 3: work here, a lot of kids are very excited to
Speaker 3: see you guys, and I feel like it's a great
Speaker 3: opportunity to send an inspirational message and you know, just
Speaker 3: snap some photos. So I think the kids are gonna
Speaker 3: love it.
Speaker 2: Sounds good.
Speaker 1: So my name is Matt Barnes. I played fourteen years
Speaker 1: in the NBA. I got a chance to play with
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant Steph Curry. I won a championship with Steph Curry.
Speaker 1: Post career, I do media. We have a show called
Speaker 1: All the smoke on showtime. So, jack you want to
Speaker 1: tell me a little about yourself.
Speaker 4: Steven Jackson played with the San Antonio Spurs, won a
Speaker 4: championship with the San Antonio Spurs playing NBA fourteen years.
Speaker 1: So how old are you guys? How old? What's the
Speaker 1: age range here? Eleven?
Speaker 2: Thirteen? Fourteen? Eight? Okay? Little man? What about you? How
Speaker 2: old are you girls? I'll be shy. Let's let's go.
Speaker 2: Let's how old? Thirteen?
Speaker 1: Okay? So what is your guys' goal in basketball? Why
Speaker 1: is everyone here?
Speaker 2: Everyone? You guys want to play in the NBA? Huh?
Speaker 1: Who's your guys favorite player? Kobe Bryant? What about you guys?
Speaker 1: No Lebron fans here?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Just a coach? You guys have any questions? I
Speaker 2: hope he's on a Corstal question about it?
Speaker 5: What was the feeling when Kobe didn't flinch?
Speaker 2: Oh? When I faked the ball?
Speaker 1: Kobe? I want I wanted to fight Kobe that day.
Speaker 2: I told him too.
Speaker 1: Obviously we know how great Kobe was as a player physically,
Speaker 1: but he was a mental guy. He liked to attack
Speaker 1: you mentally, so he would do a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: like lbu and grab you and push you and do
Speaker 1: a lot of other stuff that the rest would never call.
Speaker 1: So I was ready to fight Kobe that day. I
Speaker 1: don't even know how the ball player happened, but we
Speaker 1: became teammates after that, and really became brothers after that.
Speaker 2: How old are you? I'll see you're a baby when
Speaker 2: that happened. What year was that?
Speaker 1: Two thousand and nine? You're yeah, you were two years
Speaker 1: old when that happened. What about you?
Speaker 2: Got a question? How do you how? Seven? Okay? What
Speaker 2: about you? Seven? Okay?
Speaker 5: Nice?
Speaker 2: Yep? They don't stink, do they? They smell good? Here
Speaker 2: you go. I was your height at fifteen. May come on?
Speaker 3: Dotas played god Kobe except him.
Speaker 1: I always had to guard the best player, so Heavin
Speaker 1: Durant Lebron. Yes, yes, every single night I had to
Speaker 1: guard the best player.
Speaker 2: So probably one of those guys.
Speaker 1: Okay, rusty, Yeah, I play with shot. Get big like this, big,
Speaker 1: big strong.
Speaker 2: Squeeze in, squeeze in. Alright, good luck, guys, good look,
Speaker 2: good look, good luck. All right.
Speaker 4: I'm old.
Speaker 1: Ah, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: It is my great honor and pleasure to introduce two
Speaker 3: gentlemen that are known all around the world. Former NBA
Speaker 3: champions and hosts of All the Smoke podcasts, Matt Barnes
Speaker 3: and Stephen Jackson, We're here.
Speaker 6: To talk about All the Smoke. What was your relationship
Speaker 6: like with the media, given that you are now a
Speaker 6: source at the media, I still hate them.
Speaker 4: So many people have opinions about what we do, but
Speaker 4: no experience, so that bothers people who actually have experience.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of the media gravitates to who's
Speaker 5: the biggest start.
Speaker 2: I saw the big and it was.
Speaker 1: Very clear that they had a unique voice that could
Speaker 1: fit where no one else was.
Speaker 6: The way you are so open on your podcast with
Speaker 6: your emotions, and you create this space for other men
Speaker 6: to be so vulnerable. That is the antithesis of what
Speaker 6: we see in the media of a male athlete.
Speaker 1: When you come to Malcolm Studios in Santa Monica, the sunshining,
Speaker 1: We're right by the beach, we have music playing, we're smoking.
Speaker 1: It's really a safe space and I can't tell you
Speaker 1: how many people we've spoken to they'll say, you know,
Speaker 1: I've never told anyone this, and that's what we kind
Speaker 1: of know.
Speaker 2: Like God, they feel comfortable.
Speaker 4: So I want to take you out of all the
Speaker 4: smoke set one second. So while you were talking, somebody
Speaker 4: made an abrupt noise up there.
Speaker 2: What would happen if that happened to our show? You
Speaker 2: have to do push ups, so I cannot. You don't
Speaker 2: know what leave that guy.
Speaker 1: I raise your hand, Yes, sir, we're bringing the honest spass.
Speaker 1: So the push ups are push ups with a with
Speaker 1: a joint in your mouth.
Speaker 2: There you go, There you go, dude, easy for us.
Speaker 2: Getting tired, seven and finished?
Speaker 6: Nah, could you just give a huge amount of applause
Speaker 6: to Matt Barnes stats Steven A.
Speaker 3: Finosa.
Speaker 2: This is an incredible appreciation man, magic for us. Yes, sir,
Speaker 2: appreciation man. It's wonderful. My name is Matt Barnes.
Speaker 1: Played fourteen years in the NBA one A Championship with
Speaker 1: the Golden State Warriors. In twenty seventeen, retired from there
Speaker 1: and unexpectedly transitioned into media.
Speaker 2: I worked for ESPN, fortunate.
Speaker 1: Enough to have this show all the Smoke with Showtime
Speaker 1: and my brother Stephen Jackson, and do a few other
Speaker 1: things on the media side.
Speaker 2: How y'all doing okay? All right? I'm doing good as well.
Speaker 4: Steven Jackson played in the NBA fourteen years, won a
Speaker 4: championship with the Spurs, and just the blessed guy to
Speaker 4: be in a great position to have a great show
Speaker 4: and to work with great people.
Speaker 2: I'm not special.
Speaker 4: I'm just a guy who works hard and appreciates the
Speaker 4: people around me.
Speaker 2: So honor to be here. Thanks for having us.
Speaker 1: How our show came about, we were both retired doing
Speaker 1: media on different media outlets and just getting a really
Speaker 1: positive response from our fellow teammates that we used to
Speaker 1: play with in the league and you.
Speaker 2: Know, people we were working with.
Speaker 1: So one day I approached Jack while we were medicating
Speaker 1: and told him, Hey, we should do a show together.
Speaker 1: And he's like, okay, like what show? And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: let's do a podcast. And he asked me what a
Speaker 1: podcast was. And I didn't really know at the time
Speaker 1: what a podcast was. I just knew that we could,
Speaker 1: you know, we can indulge in consume cannabis while we
Speaker 1: talk about sports. And from there we had a chance
Speaker 1: to run across my guy, Brian Daily, and he had
Speaker 1: happened to just be a part of something called Showtime
Speaker 1: Basketball that was just getting started, and I pitched him
Speaker 1: on the idea.
Speaker 2: He understood but didn't know what would happen.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what would happened, but we made a
Speaker 1: partnership and man three and a half years later, we
Speaker 1: won several awards and we're I guess worldwide recognized now
Speaker 1: because we're out here in Croatia pushing two episodes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: coming up on our two hundredth episodes soon. So it's
Speaker 1: just been again, it's been an amazing experience getting a
Speaker 1: chance to interview some of the most famous athletes and
Speaker 1: entertainers in the world. It's been three and a half
Speaker 1: years since we've been working nearly two hundred shows. What
Speaker 1: do you feel oparates our shows from other shows?
Speaker 2: Just us being authentic.
Speaker 4: I think when we started our show, we didn't create
Speaker 4: our show have a blueprint of somebody else show to
Speaker 4: see what our show can be. Like everything that we start,
Speaker 4: everything that we have with our show is organic, from
Speaker 4: the name, from the way we dress, from the way
Speaker 4: we do our interviews, from the way we talk, you know,
Speaker 4: from the relationships we have with our guests. And I
Speaker 4: think that's what's different. You know, our fans support us
Speaker 4: in that organic way, right. So a lot of people
Speaker 4: that have shows they don't have the relationships with people
Speaker 4: all across the board like we have in with us.
Speaker 4: We wi emotion on our studies, so anytime somebody come
Speaker 4: on our show, they're willing to tell their stories and
Speaker 4: get some things off their chests because we live our
Speaker 4: lives that way.
Speaker 2: So it works for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I also think too, you know, we've been
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to create a situation where people feel comfortable
Speaker 1: talking to us. You know, a lot of time in
Speaker 1: media is particularly when you're athletes, you really don't give
Speaker 1: your all because you're not really sure of the motive
Speaker 1: of the person on the other side of the microphone
Speaker 1: or the camera. But we've been able, like Jack said,
Speaker 1: because we are so transparent about who we've had the
Speaker 1: ability to have some of the biggest names in the world,
Speaker 1: from Kobe Bryant to Will Smith to Steph Curry to
Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg, really open up and just kind of tell
Speaker 1: us stuff they've never told anyone before. So I think
Speaker 1: that's another reason why our show has been successful and
Speaker 1: continues to gain steam, is because we're talking to some
Speaker 1: of the most famous people in the world, and they're
Speaker 1: telling us stuff that they normally don't tell anybody, So
Speaker 1: we couldn't do anything without our fans. And you know,
Speaker 1: although some of you may know us, may not know us,
Speaker 1: we appreciate everyone who's even looking at us right now
Speaker 1: because we're out here sitting and you might not even
Speaker 1: understand what we're saying, but we just appreciate you being here,
Speaker 1: appreciate you supporting us. Jack, We've had a number of
Speaker 1: amazing guests. Do any guests come to mind as some
Speaker 1: of your favorite shows we've done so far?
Speaker 4: I mean, of course, to Kobe, Kobe probably his last interview,
Speaker 4: somebody who we all looked up to, somebody I grew
Speaker 4: up with and admired his passion, his drive, his dedication
Speaker 4: to be great.
Speaker 2: I think the episode is one of our whole type.
Speaker 2: But also the.
Speaker 4: Will Smith, just the timing of it, everything that he
Speaker 4: had going on and willing to come talk to us first.
Speaker 4: I think that's had a lot to me. So those
Speaker 4: two episodes, for sure.
Speaker 1: My episodes, obviously Kobe being Kobe's last interview, and obviously
Speaker 1: our history with nearly fighting and then becoming teammates. It
Speaker 1: was great to sit down and have a conversation with him,
Speaker 1: and like I said earlier, for him to open up
Speaker 1: and share stuff that he normally doesn't share. You know,
Speaker 1: he had this persona being the Mamba and obviously a
Speaker 1: tremendous basketball player, but we had the ability to somehow
Speaker 1: crack that wall and we got to learn about Kobe
Speaker 1: the father, and the businessman and the husband and just
Speaker 1: all the other stuff he was into. So that was
Speaker 1: definitely my favorite interview.
Speaker 4: So since All the Smoke started, a lot of athletes,
Speaker 4: a lot of people come along, started podcasts, and a
Speaker 4: lot of people doing a great job with their podcast.
Speaker 4: And it's a lot of people, it's too many the name,
Speaker 4: but we've helped do something big here at Showtime and
Speaker 4: helped their Showtime Basketball. How does it feel, Matt to
Speaker 4: to have a hand in what's built here at Showtime?
Speaker 2: How does this different different from the previous jobs you had.
Speaker 1: It's been great, you know, obviously you know thanking Steven
Speaker 1: has Feroza and Brian Daily for taking a chance on us.
Speaker 1: I mean we were talking with Stephen just the other
Speaker 1: day and the first time we were doing atteries, He's like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, I don't know if this is gonna work. So,
Speaker 1: you know, from that day to kind of again being
Speaker 1: an award winning podcast. It's been great and really to
Speaker 1: me be the trust that Showtime has had in us
Speaker 1: to continue to allow us to have help, you know,
Speaker 1: help them build out this sector of their company. Bringing
Speaker 1: on the likes of Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce and
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Cousins and Rachel Nichols and Jamal Crawford and just
Speaker 1: all the people that you know, we're in our circle
Speaker 1: that we were able to help kind of make the
Speaker 1: transition a little smooth for them coming over.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'll put you know.
Speaker 1: The names I just mentioned against any names of you know,
Speaker 1: any other network across the board when it comes to basketball,
Speaker 1: because I really feel like we have the best crew
Speaker 1: of people H when it comes to that.
Speaker 2: So again, it's been it's been.
Speaker 1: Dope having our show and really just learning the business
Speaker 1: and helping H build out Showtime Basketball.
Speaker 4: Like I said, a podcasts that somebody starting a new
Speaker 4: podcast every day, Like there's so many podcasts, how very
Speaker 4: few are authentic and so much has changed in the
Speaker 4: media space.
Speaker 2: What do you think is next to change?
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously we sat in the standard with doing.
Speaker 2: A podcast in Croatia. Yeah, so I mean, what you
Speaker 2: think is next in the podcast space?
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I don't know what's next, but
Speaker 1: I know that we want to continue to just elevate,
Speaker 1: continue to have quality content, continue to be real and authentic,
Speaker 1: and and and be personable with our fans and and
Speaker 1: and and and people that you know, look at what
Speaker 1: we do.
Speaker 2: Continue to set the bar, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I think again we've set a standard in this space
Speaker 1: that a lot of people have, you know, not necessarily copy,
Speaker 1: but just have come up and told us like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, we started our show because of what you did.
Speaker 2: So to continue to inspire.
Speaker 1: But still try to stay on top, still try to
Speaker 1: you know, be the best we can be and continue
Speaker 1: to grow with the supportive team we have, doing more
Speaker 1: live shows, traveling to different countries, continuing to have interesting
Speaker 1: guests that share interesting stories with us. Is I think
Speaker 1: the key of our success and how the space will
Speaker 1: continue to evolve, because we will continue to evolve.
Speaker 4: So a lot of y'all don't know this is the
Speaker 4: next question is a question I would really ask him
Speaker 4: in real life, like because with our show, like we've
Speaker 4: always been great teammates and with our show, like the negotiations,
Speaker 4: the meetings, the way the show's going to go, how
Speaker 4: it's going to be. Ran I put all that in
Speaker 4: his hands, So I give him a lot of credit
Speaker 4: for that, for the way to show. The success we've had,
Speaker 4: I give a lot of credit to him. And this
Speaker 4: is a question I would ask him in real life,
Speaker 4: what is this store for all the smoke? As we
Speaker 4: close our season four and head towards season five and
Speaker 4: the four.
Speaker 2: I don't really ask him that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, obviously we're coming to the end
Speaker 1: of the season four. I can't believe we have four seasons.
Speaker 1: The fact that we're here in Croatia is amazing. We
Speaker 1: had a great interview today with how do you what's
Speaker 1: a miss Misko?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yokich's agent.
Speaker 1: We're gonna interview our guy Domo in a second coming
Speaker 1: up on our two hundred episode. I hope that that is,
Speaker 1: you know, a big episode and we'll be able to
Speaker 1: provide a you know, kind of a big splash with
Speaker 1: our two hundred episode. So really, you know the goal
Speaker 1: is to finish strong season four and come out swinging
Speaker 1: on season five. So I'm sure we'll add to a
Speaker 1: few things here and there, but right now, just The
Speaker 1: goal is to continue to create great content and keep
Speaker 1: surprising people.
Speaker 4: It means a lot to be able to come in
Speaker 4: and do a show here in great We set a
Speaker 4: lot of standards in the podcast space. We was the
Speaker 4: first to do a lot of things, and we take
Speaker 4: pride in that because we wasn't the big name NBA players,
Speaker 4: We wasn't the guys all on all the commercials. So
Speaker 4: for us to be here doing something that hasn't been
Speaker 4: done and setting the standard for podcasts, I think it's wonderful.
Speaker 4: And we thank you guys for accepting us, because we
Speaker 4: could have been a lot of places and could.
Speaker 2: Have had nobody out here. So to have y'all here support.
Speaker 4: And and like you said, even if y'all don't understand, just
Speaker 4: understand where all the smoke is. And to be out
Speaker 4: and support the conference and support Dowmo, I think it's
Speaker 4: a beautiful experience for us. But thank you for being
Speaker 4: here so mad. The question is to you, how important
Speaker 4: is it for us to build up to bring our
Speaker 4: brand out here and do a show like that here
Speaker 4: in Croati. Well, I think it's very important.
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody you know you want to be big
Speaker 1: and you want to succeed, but you don't only want
Speaker 1: to succeed in you know, your space, you want to
Speaker 1: exceed internationally. And obviously this is an opportunity to come,
Speaker 1: you know, across the globe and you know, kind of
Speaker 1: show our talents and show what we can do in
Speaker 1: this space. So I think it's huge to be able
Speaker 1: to fly over the water and have the opportunity. So
Speaker 1: again we want to thank everyone who made that possible.
Speaker 1: It's great. It won't be our last time here. We've
Speaker 1: loved every second we've been here on Lochine and then
Speaker 1: having a chance to come here and meet the people
Speaker 1: and eat the food and see the whistling stars and
Speaker 1: the beautiful sunsets.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just been you know, it's been great.
Speaker 1: Plus I get to get away from my six kids,
Speaker 1: So any excuse I can get away from my six kids,
Speaker 1: I'm always going to do that. But yeah, no, it's
Speaker 1: been great coming across the water and we look forward.
Speaker 2: To continuing to do that.
Speaker 1: Before we bring up our next guest, we wanted to
Speaker 1: take a chance to see if anybody, and don't be afraid,
Speaker 1: has any kind of questions for us, You can ask
Speaker 1: about our career, about our show about anything. So if
Speaker 1: you do have a question, raise your hand and we'll
Speaker 1: bring a mic man around and we'll answer your question
Speaker 1: to the best of our ability. So anybody, anybody, we
Speaker 1: got a mic.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 5: It's someone that works invest with media and produces content
Speaker 5: for our best of fans. I want to thank you
Speaker 5: a lot for basically giving us conflct stories from your
Speaker 5: careers or from the guests that were on All the Smoke.
Speaker 5: I think you did a lot for the culture and
Speaker 5: the culture or basketball that has really, you know, a
Speaker 5: reason in the last few years, and I think you
Speaker 5: two are basically the pioneers of that. So thanks a
Speaker 5: lot for that. And to give you one basketball question
Speaker 5: maybe as you were both a part of the two
Speaker 5: thousand and seven Bible Warriors that was one of my
Speaker 5: favorite teams ever. Do you maybe see a comparison with
Speaker 5: the Miami Heat that are now in the finals both
Speaker 5: eight seats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they made it to the finals.
Speaker 5: You made it deep into the second round, but I
Speaker 5: kind of see similarity in the character those Both teams
Speaker 5: are really tough, full of tough players like yourself, Baron.
Speaker 2: Davis and all the rest of the guys.
Speaker 5: If you can maybe tell me if you see any
Speaker 5: resemblance in those two runs.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. Miami has been incredible, and you're right.
Speaker 1: You know, that Golden State team, I had a bunch
Speaker 1: of talented should I say misfits. You know, I had
Speaker 1: my issues, He had some issues. Other guys had some issues,
Speaker 1: and we all brought our issues together and became an
Speaker 1: issue for the rest of the NBA. That's really where
Speaker 1: you know, Stack and I, although we had known each
Speaker 1: other from playing against each other, that's what we became teammates,
Speaker 1: and then we became brothers. And that team was special,
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys that were ready to go to
Speaker 1: war every single game, and you know, went out there
Speaker 1: and played as hard as we can and you know,
Speaker 1: made NBA history by beating you know, Dirk that year,
Speaker 1: Dirk was the MVP of the league. I think their
Speaker 1: team had won like sixty seven games, and we went
Speaker 1: out there and shocked the NBA, shock the world. The
Speaker 1: first eight seed to beat the number one seed in
Speaker 1: a seven game series that had been done in a
Speaker 1: five game series, was first time ever to be done
Speaker 1: in the seven game series.
Speaker 2: So to compare that.
Speaker 1: To Miami, although we were really good. We didn't we
Speaker 1: just didn't do what they did. You know, they've been
Speaker 1: incredible with you know, seven or eight undrafted players, some
Speaker 1: of their best players being hurt. But one thing we
Speaker 1: can compare to is the heart that Jimmy Butler has
Speaker 1: and that's how all of us play.
Speaker 2: We all had that type.
Speaker 1: Of heart and fire and passion. We're willing to do
Speaker 1: anything to help our team win. Really take your hat
Speaker 1: off to Miami. I'm happy for a lot of those
Speaker 1: young guys that are hopefully getting big deals off this
Speaker 1: run they've made.
Speaker 4: And thank you for the flowers. Appreciate it. You know,
Speaker 4: we definitely feel like we were the creators of the space,
Speaker 4: you know, as far as being athletes. But hear that
Speaker 4: from somebody way out here in Croatia and to help
Speaker 4: that support it means a lot to us.
Speaker 2: So the reason why our success has been so good
Speaker 2: for people like you, So thank you for sure.
Speaker 7: Any other here one question first, Okay, I followed you
Speaker 7: from the first episodes, from the Jump and everything else.
Speaker 7: For me, your favorite episode when you will bring Rachel
Speaker 7: Nichols after the Bable and give you give her the
Speaker 7: platform to say what was happening with her and I
Speaker 7: think that this is why you have this platform to
Speaker 7: give them opportunity to say something, because you're the only
Speaker 7: one to give her a chance to get her side out.
Speaker 7: Not only that, so this is probably my favorite episode
Speaker 7: because of that. And estion for you is about what
Speaker 7: do you think about this recent coaches changes, because everyone
Speaker 7: if someone win a championship one worst season, they are out.
Speaker 7: And now Frank Wogel from five minutes ago is in
Speaker 7: the phoenix.
Speaker 2: What do you think about this?
Speaker 4: Fests it's a full circle moment with Rachel. We all
Speaker 4: right with Rachel that if we was ever put in
Speaker 4: a position to help her out in any way, it
Speaker 4: was mandatory that we did that. She started both of
Speaker 4: us at ESPN with the jumping other things. I've even
Speaker 4: still behind Rachel through everything. So to have her to
Speaker 4: be able to bring her up and put that position
Speaker 4: to work with us, it was only right.
Speaker 2: It was on the right bus to do.
Speaker 1: NBA coaches, nobody is safe. I mean, you win a
Speaker 1: championship and don't perform, you're out. Budenholzer loses and he
Speaker 1: won a championship two or three years ago and he's out.
Speaker 1: All these coaches changing spots, and I think it's now.
Speaker 1: It's because the players make so much money. When we
Speaker 1: first came to the NBA, the coaches were in control.
Speaker 1: The players are in control hands down now. And if
Speaker 1: you don't get along with your star player, you don't produce,
Speaker 1: and you have as that the organization feels like you
Speaker 1: should win with no matter how good you are.
Speaker 2: You know, you get you get.
Speaker 1: Fired, you can they maybe great Papa Bitch is someone
Speaker 1: he played for and coach Spolster over in Miami. You
Speaker 1: don't really get ten yards anymore. You know, those guys
Speaker 1: are both plassed past ten years at their team. But
Speaker 1: that's a rarity not only in our sport, but across
Speaker 1: the board. The easiest person to blame is always going
Speaker 1: to be the coach. Now that's not saying some coaches
Speaker 1: don't deserve it, because some coaches suck playing and simple,
Speaker 1: you know, but sometimes it's just easier instead of picking
Speaker 1: out the players who need to be better.
Speaker 2: At times, let's just blame the coach.
Speaker 1: It's a cutthroat business, but you know, they're paid well,
Speaker 1: just as the players are paid well.
Speaker 2: And I guess it just kind of comes with the territory.
Speaker 2: Another question.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so, first of all, You've been in the NBA
Speaker 8: for a long time, You've been part of championship teams,
Speaker 8: You've played for with a lot of real big stars
Speaker 8: and other role players and teammates.
Speaker 2: You've had a lot of experience.
Speaker 9: So from your experience, from your point of view, whether
Speaker 9: you think it's the biggest misconception, I think something that
Speaker 9: people don't know about being an NBA play a part
Speaker 9: of your life that maybe people don't know about. It
Speaker 9: seems very different to them, because I think people very.
Speaker 2: Often approach it very like I have a simplistic view
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 9: It's just training, You go through games, and that's you
Speaker 9: have a few interviews.
Speaker 2: So what's the biggest probably misconception.
Speaker 9: The second part is about the podcast to do a
Speaker 9: brilliant job. I think, if you speak for everybody in crature,
Speaker 9: we're very proud right be here, and we're very proud
Speaker 9: and thankful to Damian who is somewhere here. I think
Speaker 9: they're for bringing you guys over here. Your process of
Speaker 9: preparing the podcast, how much did it change from the beginning.
Speaker 9: In the beginning, I think that was more relaxed and
Speaker 9: more medication wise oriented. Now I think maybe you have
Speaker 9: a more professional approach. I don't know if that's the
Speaker 9: right showays work out. What's the difference there, We'll get it.
Speaker 2: The first part. What was the first part? What was
Speaker 2: the first part of your question?
Speaker 9: Yeah, what's the biggest misconception was something athletes?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean it's just light period, Like, if
Speaker 4: your life's not right at home, you're not gonna have
Speaker 4: good games. You're not gonna be able to perform. That's
Speaker 4: what people don't understand. But athletes are human beings. So
Speaker 4: if they come to a game and have an off night,
Speaker 4: don't think it's just because they haven't been practicing on
Speaker 4: their game. They can be spending weeks in the gym
Speaker 4: practicing to make that one shot to make that one
Speaker 4: fan happy, but they can have something go wrong at
Speaker 4: home or on their way to the game that can
Speaker 4: throw off their whole day.
Speaker 2: So athletes are humans.
Speaker 4: You're we're expected to be able to take more and
Speaker 4: much and more is expected from us because of how
Speaker 4: much we get paid and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But athletes are human.
Speaker 4: So when you see them have bad games, don't think
Speaker 4: it's as an athlete that doesn't care about the game
Speaker 4: but doesn't care about winning.
Speaker 2: They're human, just like everybody else. Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 2: probably right.
Speaker 1: There is the biggest misconception because we go through the
Speaker 1: same thing everyone else goes through. We lose parents, we
Speaker 1: lose family members, we go through divorces, we get in
Speaker 1: trouble and it's blown up. So there's so much that
Speaker 1: goes into being able to focus on our job, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Because we are paid good money,
Speaker 1: people sometimes think that we're superhuman nothing affects us, when
Speaker 1: it's quite the opposite. You know, it's really hard to
Speaker 1: have the world always talking about you, whether it's good
Speaker 1: or bad. So that part is tough. And I think
Speaker 1: another misconception is I think sometimes fans think because guys
Speaker 1: may play on the bench or don't play that much,
Speaker 1: they can't play. Like that's the furthest thing from the truth.
Speaker 1: Like the glass guy on the bench is better than
Speaker 1: ninety five percent of the world.
Speaker 2: You know, you just happen to.
Speaker 1: Be either in a situation where you're not getting the
Speaker 1: opportunity to play or just the guys in front of
Speaker 1: you or that much better. But it doesn't make them,
Speaker 1: he said, other coaches a hater. It doesn't make them
Speaker 1: any less. And then to your second question. Yeah, we've
Speaker 1: just grown. You know, we've grown from the beginning. Like
Speaker 1: I said, when Brian said, hey, let's do it, we
Speaker 1: didn't know what we were doing, to be honest with you, Like,
Speaker 1: we didn't know what a podcast was, what was going on.
Speaker 1: We just tried to come out and talk and have
Speaker 1: a good time. And obviously, you know, just like when
Speaker 1: we played, we can watch film and kind of see
Speaker 1: how shows win and where we can improve on and may, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe we should we shouldn't smoke that much this time
Speaker 1: because hey, you know, we both were forgetting questions or
Speaker 1: falling asleep.
Speaker 2: And now I'm going to sleep. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know, obviously we've grown and and and
Speaker 1: I think it's been great because we started seeing our
Speaker 1: work everywhere, like ESPN would be taking clips of our shows,
Speaker 1: and other shows would be taking clips of our shows
Speaker 1: and our and our edits with we had a great
Speaker 1: we have a great edit team over at Malcolm. Our
Speaker 1: edits would go viral, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: I think that's maybe when we started taking it a
Speaker 1: little bit more seriously because we're just like, oh, they're
Speaker 1: really listening, like they're Because we didn't know if it
Speaker 1: was gonna people were gonna listen where people gonna like us,
Speaker 1: Like Jack said, weren't stars, we were role players.
Speaker 2: So we didn't know how we were going to be received.
Speaker 1: We just knew we had to be real and and
Speaker 1: once we kind of started realizing that, man, our voice
Speaker 1: is literally traveling around the world, that's when we started
Speaker 1: realizing like, Okay, hey, you know we can do something
Speaker 1: specialist space and make good money while we're doing it.
Speaker 1: So it's definitely been a learning and we continue to
Speaker 1: learn in this space.
Speaker 2: Good question question over here. Yes, so you're in the
Speaker 2: whole land?
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, like in the one Bogdanovic more a little
Speaker 10: bit here, you've got Dragic down south to the east,
Speaker 10: a little bit, you got Mooti pitch east, you got
Speaker 10: your pitch back in the day of a lot of
Speaker 10: debats the progression of players from Europe and this area
Speaker 10: from when you started playing ball, he sort of the
Speaker 10: impression that NBA players had was there a stigma on
Speaker 10: foreign players?
Speaker 2: And has that changed?
Speaker 10: Obviously now we have to put your tea time WBD
Speaker 10: when you first started playing to now, have you seen
Speaker 10: a difference in sort of the image with the impression
Speaker 10: that NBA players have towards European players.
Speaker 2: Is it more respect now than when you guys started?
Speaker 2: Way more?
Speaker 4: It's not even close from when I was in the
Speaker 4: league to now. You know, you had a few guys
Speaker 4: come over that could play that that would gain your respect.
Speaker 4: Now you got nbig teams starting their organizations with guys
Speaker 4: from over here. So it's not it's not it's night
Speaker 4: and day. But it's great for the game of basketball
Speaker 4: because the game is growing, you know, do they want
Speaker 4: the game to be global. It's putting a lot of
Speaker 4: pressure on guys in the state. They need to work
Speaker 4: on their game. Now kids from other countries are growing
Speaker 4: up and being just as talented as them.
Speaker 2: So, but it also shows how hard you guys are working.
Speaker 4: You know, it shows how basketball is growing here, and
Speaker 4: I say it's you guys taking it. A lot of
Speaker 4: guys in the United States are getting opportunities and really
Speaker 4: not even working hard to get them. You know a
Speaker 4: lot of guys know people, I just got that one
Speaker 4: Instagram post, but I know it's ten times harder to
Speaker 4: get from over here to over there and to be
Speaker 4: MVP like Yoki. So it's harder for you guys and
Speaker 4: you get way more credit than they got. You know,
Speaker 4: when we first came in the league, it's night and day.
Speaker 1: They got a chance to meet someone who played against
Speaker 1: the Dream Team in ninety two, and I think that
Speaker 1: was kind of obviously showing what we had. But I
Speaker 1: think after that that was a wake of call to
Speaker 1: the rest of the world because after that, it seems
Speaker 1: like every time after that, European players and international players.
Speaker 2: Were getting better and better and better.
Speaker 1: And to keep it real with you, the NBA is
Speaker 1: ran by European players now or international players. You look
Speaker 1: at the last three or four MVPs or all international players,
Speaker 1: all young players that are all.
Speaker 2: Probably gonna win it again.
Speaker 1: So to Jack's point, I think it's great because I
Speaker 1: think you guys are making us get better, Like we
Speaker 1: have to step our games up now because we know
Speaker 1: that there's thousands of kids that are growing up here,
Speaker 1: if not many of the kids that are growing up
Speaker 1: you know internationally, they want to want to get in
Speaker 1: that spot.
Speaker 2: And for people who.
Speaker 1: Don't know, in the history of the NBA, there's been
Speaker 1: less than five thousand players, less than five thousand players,
Speaker 1: So everybody in the world wants to play in the
Speaker 1: NBA and each season there's only about four hundred to
Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty players in that league and a
Speaker 1: lot of it is European influx. Now, European players are
Speaker 1: coming over and they're taking jobs because like Jack said,
Speaker 1: American players aren't taking it seriously. So that's why just random,
Speaker 1: but that's why the people are making such a big
Speaker 1: deal about what John Moran is doing because he's a
Speaker 1: young American player that's supposed to kind of carry the
Speaker 1: torch once Lebron and Steph and KD leave. He's supposed
Speaker 1: to be one of those American players that American can
Speaker 1: hang their hat on. So that's why it's such a
Speaker 1: big deal back where we're at of what he's doing
Speaker 1: because again, like I just said, European players are running
Speaker 1: the league, you know what I mean. Mean, so you know,
Speaker 1: America does have pride and they want to do uh,
Speaker 1: they do want to be represented. But to answer your
Speaker 1: original question, the yeah, the respect has gone way up
Speaker 1: because it's it's it's definitely been earned and it's just
Speaker 1: and again I credit you guys for making the guys
Speaker 1: back at home better.
Speaker 2: Question Q Hi Jack, I love the show. Thank you.
Speaker 2: What the COVID episode like eight times. So yeah, every
Speaker 2: time I get a goosebumps, So nice jump. My question
Speaker 2: is pretty silly. Want to look, what did you guys
Speaker 2: last of one on one? And who won?
Speaker 1: Have we ever played one on one? I've ever played? Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I think we've had one on one. Who can smoke
Speaker 1: the most? But I don't think we've ever played one
Speaker 1: on one?
Speaker 2: Maybe it depends.
Speaker 1: I don't really smoke that much anymore, so I'd say
Speaker 1: he would probably win now. But back when we were
Speaker 1: both in our heyday, we were pretty impressive. We just
Speaker 1: smoke until we passed out.
Speaker 2: It was even back in the day. Yeah, when we
Speaker 2: first started hanging out. You know. The one thing about Jack.
Speaker 1: Jack and I became really close all the shirt the story.
Speaker 1: I lost my mom to cancer in two thousand and seven,
Speaker 1: So she was diagnosed November first and died November twenty six,
Speaker 1: twenty seventh, So within twenty six days she died.
Speaker 2: And this is right after we've had that.
Speaker 1: We believe Run with the Beaten Dallas is the very
Speaker 1: next season, and Jack and I became super close because
Speaker 1: he was the one that always came to check on me,
Speaker 1: whether he'd bring me food or he would just come
Speaker 1: over and talk to me and smoke, and we just
Speaker 1: kind of smoked our pains away, you know. But before
Speaker 1: even before that, like we had a unique team where
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry for talking about smoking if there's any
Speaker 1: kids here, but this is just really how we moved.
Speaker 1: We would go from practice and go to jack Spot
Speaker 1: and watch game film and just smoke and talk about
Speaker 1: the game like we wanted it that bad. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think you can kind of tell what that team
Speaker 1: we made a historical run. But cannabis has always kind
Speaker 1: of been a part of our journey together. And I'm
Speaker 1: just happy now that the NBA and leagues across I
Speaker 1: can't say the world, but you know, leagues across the
Speaker 1: United States have kind of woken up and under standing,
Speaker 1: you know, the importance of cannabis and how it can
Speaker 1: be beneficial from everyone from children to our grandparents. So
Speaker 1: no one on one, but we've we've had a smoke off,
Speaker 1: and I'd probably say back on our heyday it was tied,
Speaker 1: but now he would win, and if we played.
Speaker 4: One on one, the game would never end because we
Speaker 4: both knew using all our files and probably like the file, yeah,
Speaker 4: we probably end up fighting, so the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now we want to welcome to the stage.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the stage.
Speaker 1: Man, one of the most gracious hosts I've ever met.
Speaker 1: So when I got a chance to play against uh
Speaker 1: in the NBA, and then through Steven Espinoza ran into
Speaker 1: him in Las Vegas and got a chance to reconnect
Speaker 1: and hang out a little bit, and and next thing
Speaker 1: I know, we're coming to Croatia. I'm like to do
Speaker 1: what to talk about basketball? They're like, yeah, bring your wives.
Speaker 1: I'm like, sign me up. So welcome to the show. Damian,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to mispronounce your last name, Rudish.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for obviously having us out here
Speaker 1: and you know, the Sunset Media Festival. You know, when
Speaker 1: you started explaining to me, I thought it was incredible.
Speaker 1: I've been in your ear since I've been here that
Speaker 1: we got to bring to the United States and I
Speaker 1: want to help you do that. Can you tell the
Speaker 1: people how that got started in your mission behind it.
Speaker 3: Appreciate you guys having me, really hoping you enjoyed this
Speaker 3: week in Croatia, and I'm very proud that we have
Speaker 3: you here, and you know, very happy that you guys
Speaker 3: are taking your game internationally as well. So the whole
Speaker 3: idea behind the Sunset Sports Media Festival came from Petradovich,
Speaker 3: you know, the VP of CBS Sports, and he said,
Speaker 3: I want us to do a sports business festival in
Speaker 3: Croatia that everyone wants to come to. You know, like
Speaker 3: a lot of these are just boring. They bore you
Speaker 3: with pds, with powerpoints. You know, it's a corporate event.
Speaker 3: We want to do something funky, something all, something that's
Speaker 3: very you know, people are going to have fomo if
Speaker 3: they don't come here. You know, we want to have
Speaker 3: all the biggest stars, all the biggest experts in the
Speaker 3: sports media industry and sports business. Have them come here,
Speaker 3: enjoy you know, the beautiful sea, the beautiful coast, you know,
Speaker 3: enjoy the networking opportunities we can provide and just you know,
Speaker 3: keep the festival growing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been great, from the food to the people
Speaker 1: to the views.
Speaker 2: We've definitely enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Born in Croustia, when did you find basketball And was
Speaker 1: there anyone as you were growing up who you kind
Speaker 1: of look to in the space as you know, admiration
Speaker 1: or someone you looked up to or wanted to be like, yeah, well.
Speaker 3: I started playing because my older brother, you know, younger
Speaker 3: brother does, but the older brother, you know, he follows
Speaker 3: what the older brother does.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So my brother is even is seven years older than me,
Speaker 3: and he had Jordan posters all over the wall.
Speaker 2: So it was done pretty much after that.
Speaker 3: You know, obviously be in the Croatian Tony kok Cutch
Speaker 3: and Drashen Petro, which are.
Speaker 2: The first guys that come to mind.
Speaker 3: My first idols and guys that are already watching, especially
Speaker 3: Tony Kook Clutch try to you know, follow their footsteps
Speaker 3: and dream big. And that's how it started. I picked
Speaker 3: up the game in basketballhen I was seven and never
Speaker 3: looked back.
Speaker 1: I got a crazy story. I literally DM Tony Kuk
Speaker 1: coach last night. Never had the opportunity to meet him.
Speaker 1: A huge fan of him, and he responded and I
Speaker 1: asked if he was here because I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll try to fly you out here and talk.
Speaker 1: It's like no, Unfortunately I just left for Chicago. But
Speaker 1: my son is a huge fan of your show. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: it's only right you got to come on the show.
Speaker 1: So hopefully we'll get Tony.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I hope so he would be an incredible
Speaker 3: guests and definitely one of the greatest creation basketball players
Speaker 3: in history for sure.
Speaker 2: Agreed.
Speaker 1: Agreed, you recalled, you know, one of the greatest wing
Speaker 1: players to ever come out here.
Speaker 2: You out of here.
Speaker 1: You played internationally from two thousand and two to twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2: When you finally made the jump to the NBA. What
Speaker 2: was that like?
Speaker 1: You played, You've been playing professionally here for you know,
Speaker 1: ten plus years, you finally make the jump to I
Speaker 1: think what every boy that puts the ball in his
Speaker 1: hand is the dream of being in the NBA.
Speaker 2: What was that like for you?
Speaker 3: It was very weird, to be honest, because I didn't
Speaker 3: make the NBA till very late.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I got to the NBA when I was twenty eight,
Speaker 3: so I was undrafted. I went and applied for the
Speaker 3: draft when I was twenty two, and no one picked me.
Speaker 3: So I was just kind of crushed and went back
Speaker 3: overseas and I was like, all right, I'll just build
Speaker 3: my career and see.
Speaker 2: What I can do.
Speaker 3: And then when I was twenty eight, you know, I
Speaker 3: played well obviously in the ACB and a team called
Speaker 3: the kais that I Spanish league is really fantastic.
Speaker 2: So I was fortunate enough to.
Speaker 3: Do well over there, and all of a sudden, my
Speaker 3: agent said there was interest from MBA. So I was like,
Speaker 3: that's fantastic, but I really won't believe it until it happens.
Speaker 3: But it was good. He kept, you know, saying there's interest.
Speaker 3: I said, I don't want to go there and try out,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't want to get dream crushed again.
Speaker 3: I'm having a good career here in Europe, made a
Speaker 3: good name for myself. And then in the end I
Speaker 3: really showed, you know, fantastic interest, and Larry Bird started
Speaker 3: asking around, and I was like, Okay, if Larry Bird
Speaker 3: is asking around, this might be something serious there. And
Speaker 3: we set up one workout and actually a crazy story
Speaker 3: I got to share with you guys. You know, how
Speaker 3: you work out for a team. It was normally like
Speaker 3: three or four guys. It's like three on three or
Speaker 3: two and two. So I'm expecting like other people to
Speaker 3: be there, right, So I'm getting ready for the workout
Speaker 3: and I'm walking in the gym and the practice cility
Speaker 3: and there's no one there, believe, and there's thirty execs
Speaker 3: on the bleachers.
Speaker 2: Larry Bird is sitting in the chair and like.
Speaker 3: Fifteen members of the coaching staff and Frank on the court,
Speaker 3: and I'm by myself and I'm thinking, like.
Speaker 11: All right, just do or die. So let's see what
Speaker 11: we can do. That's dope, that's dope. It worked out well.
Speaker 11: What was your welcome to the NBA moment?
Speaker 3: I remember like it was yesterday, to be honest, man,
Speaker 3: we all had one, and mine was in practice, I
Speaker 3: would say like five days in and Donald Sloan dunked
Speaker 3: at me so hard. It was on fast break, and
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it. I was like, there's no way
Speaker 3: he's dunking on me like that, and he just smashed it.
Speaker 3: The whole team started laughing and we stopped practice. I
Speaker 3: was I didn't know what to do with myself. I
Speaker 3: was like, all right, I just got to take it.
Speaker 3: And that was it. That was my five days in.
Speaker 3: That was my welcome to the NBA moment. And then
Speaker 3: after that, actually one of the first games we played.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like to add on to the story.
Speaker 3: Like there's no bumps in the NBA like that, you know,
Speaker 3: like the fifteen guy and the roster is really gonna,
Speaker 3: you know, kick your ass if it happens. So you know,
Speaker 3: there was a lot of guys there that I wasn't
Speaker 3: familiar with when I got there. You know, so we're
Speaker 3: playing the Bulls and Doug McDermott drops thirteen on me
Speaker 3: in like four minutes and TODJ. Gibson Jokim Norse said
Speaker 3: in the screams, I'm fighting for my life and they did.
Speaker 3: They said, so he's just shooting the balls going in.
Speaker 3: I'm like, this can't be happening like a lot like this, So,
Speaker 3: you know, coach pulled me out the game.
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, you know, that's welcome to
Speaker 2: d NA. You gotta wake up.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, Paul George suffered a brotal leg Andrew when you
Speaker 4: was there, what was the vibe of the team and
Speaker 4: what could have been if he wouldn't have got hurt.
Speaker 3: That was very unfortunate, man. I mean, in some way
Speaker 3: it worked out for me because I got the minutes.
Speaker 3: You know, it was my rookie year and I had
Speaker 3: a chance of playing, which is something that rarely happens. So,
Speaker 3: you know, thanks to coach Vogel, he found me in
Speaker 3: a roster spot, I mean a rotation spot actually, so
Speaker 3: I played, you know, as part of the second unit,
Speaker 3: and I had my role. I had my shots at
Speaker 3: you know, the set players that we ran for me,
Speaker 3: but obviously not having Paul George there, you know, really
Speaker 3: on all their chances for anything. And you got to
Speaker 3: think they're coming off of you know, Eastern Conference Finals, they're,
Speaker 3: you know, one of the hottest teams in the league.
Speaker 3: And he suffers a leg injury and I'm like, I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, God knows what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: With us now.
Speaker 3: And we actually had a chance of making the playoffs
Speaker 3: in the last game of the season, the last game
Speaker 3: of the regular season, were playing Memphis away and if
Speaker 3: we beat him, we go to the playoffs. And Marcasol
Speaker 3: has like forty twenty ten and eight. Ooh, I mean
Speaker 3: it felt like it, you know, it was really so
Speaker 3: it just went home. And that was, you know, a
Speaker 3: disastrous season. I wouldn't call it disasters, it was you know,
Speaker 3: I wish we would have made the playoffs. And then
Speaker 3: after that I got traded.
Speaker 4: What was your favorite moment playing in the NBA, Like
Speaker 4: you have a moment where you scored, you know on Somebody,
Speaker 4: I done Somebody was one of your favorite moments?
Speaker 3: And I actually had two. One was hitting the game
Speaker 3: winner against Orlando. When to play for the Pacers, and
Speaker 3: I scored sixteen points in the last quarter and we
Speaker 3: were down and we kind of lost seven games in
Speaker 3: a row and the team was doing really bad, and
Speaker 3: I missed my first couple of shots, and Coach Fogel
Speaker 3: just you know, kept me in a game. He kept
Speaker 3: me in the game, and I really, honestly, I couldn't
Speaker 3: believe it. I was like, all right, I mean there
Speaker 3: must be something there, like obviously, you know, I can't
Speaker 3: get any worse than this, And shots started dropping.
Speaker 2: Hand got hot. You already know what that feels like.
Speaker 3: So you know, it was the last quarter, and ended
Speaker 3: up hitting a game winner off of George Hill pass,
Speaker 3: and then the whole team greet him in the locker room.
Speaker 3: You know, everyone's sharing and so happy for me. It
Speaker 3: was a real celebration. It felt like we won the
Speaker 3: title because it was, you know, a terminal season. And
Speaker 3: then the second moment was guarding Kobe. You know, it
Speaker 3: was surreal, just sure right, He's like a spider, you know,
Speaker 3: making his net around you, and it was it was surreal,
Speaker 3: you know, just had him on the switch a couple
Speaker 3: of times and it was like, all right, let's go.
Speaker 2: So that was really fantastic. You mentioned Dov camera.
Speaker 4: You had a story about KG when you played with
Speaker 4: Minnesota in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of kids. Which ones we can say
Speaker 3: and which ones we can but you know, playing with
Speaker 3: him was definitely one of the highlights of my career.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: You know, Kevin Garnett is one of the most special
Speaker 3: people I've ever been around. You guys are fortunate enough
Speaker 3: to be around him often, and you know, what I
Speaker 3: can say about him is just what I remember is
Speaker 3: the passion and the energy and the storytelling, Like he
Speaker 3: was really big on sharing his experience and you know,
Speaker 3: passing along to the future generations. So you got to think, like,
Speaker 3: we're finishing practice at two pm, right and I'm thinking I'm.
Speaker 2: Gonna be home for lunch at three and four point thirty.
Speaker 3: I'm in the locker room listening to the stories and
Speaker 3: there's fourteen of us. Ricky Rubio is there, Tayshaun Frantz
Speaker 3: is there, Andre Miller is there. People are not going
Speaker 3: home because KG is out there, bullhead, all sweaty, all
Speaker 3: upset because someone said that I don't know someone is
Speaker 3: better than Jordan and no, you know people say it
Speaker 3: just to provoke him, because you know he says it
Speaker 3: when you know anybody says anybody's better than that. Experience
Speaker 3: was surreal, man. So it's very fortunate to be able
Speaker 3: to live.
Speaker 1: That's tell me your thoughts on the growth that we
Speaker 1: touched on and we had our Q and A, but
Speaker 1: just of international players in the league. You know, obviously
Speaker 1: Giannis an MVP and a champion, Luca's rain, Luca's on
Speaker 1: the way, we have Victor the first pick in the draft,
Speaker 1: just so much great talent. What are your thoughts in
Speaker 1: how proud of you are the growth of the international
Speaker 1: players in the mark they've been able to make in
Speaker 1: the league.
Speaker 3: I couldn't be more proud, to be honest, especially coming
Speaker 3: from Croatian, from this region that you know, yielded so
Speaker 3: many NBA players that made a big impact history and
Speaker 3: now even more with Luka and Jokichen. You know, some
Speaker 3: of my best friends that I and friendships I made
Speaker 3: along the way in the NBA Nicolauch obviously you know
Speaker 3: who was an All Star and them and Abiellies that
Speaker 3: won the championship with the Golden State Warriors, Riky Rubio,
Speaker 3: a lot of you know, great people and you know,
Speaker 3: fantastic players. But the league has changed so much, right,
Speaker 3: I mean now, even when I was there, it was
Speaker 3: almost one thirty international and now you have the first
Speaker 3: pick in the draft and it's crazy. I couldn't be
Speaker 3: more proud. Like I said, I feel like it's really
Speaker 3: good for the league, especially, you know, taking.
Speaker 2: The NBA brand all around the world.
Speaker 3: The game, it grows, the game you already know, so
Speaker 3: looking forward to seeing how it's going to develop in
Speaker 3: the future.
Speaker 1: Even more so the transition from professional sports, not just basketball,
Speaker 1: but when it's over for an athlete, sometimes there's slip ups, habits,
Speaker 1: people go broke. How are you able to successfully transition
Speaker 1: from your playing career to business?
Speaker 3: It wasn't easy, man, I'm not gonna lie. You already
Speaker 3: know you've all been through it. So those first couple
Speaker 3: of months when the phone stops ringing and you know,
Speaker 3: you got to find a reason we get out of
Speaker 3: the house. It's like, all right, am I.
Speaker 2: Going to work out?
Speaker 3: Am I going to go get some coffee or this
Speaker 3: and that. But to be honest, I try to use
Speaker 3: the most of my time and just relax and do
Speaker 3: the things I never did, win skiing, when you know,
Speaker 3: had all the lunches, all the night life enjoyed. And
Speaker 3: then after a while, after like nine months, it was
Speaker 3: like all right, now what so, you know, I enrolled
Speaker 3: into business school and through that had a great fortune
Speaker 3: of meeting you know, Pete Radovich and my incredible partners,
Speaker 3: who said, you know, helped set this festival up, and
Speaker 3: you know, through that we just kind of kept the
Speaker 3: ball rolling and kick started this project and it's been
Speaker 3: going fantastic. And I have to say this a real
Speaker 3: moment because Pete and I spoke about this, you know,
Speaker 3: leading up to the show one year ago, when we
Speaker 3: were wrapping up the first edition of the conference, we said,
Speaker 3: you know what if we bring Stephen Jackson Ben Barnes here,
Speaker 3: and you know, thanks to Stephen Espinoza and Janina, two
Speaker 3: of the most beautiful people, you know, some of the
Speaker 3: most beautiful people I know and dear friends, we've been
Speaker 3: able to make it happen. And we had a vision like, hey,
Speaker 3: you know, we're we have guys set up and his
Speaker 3: sunset and the backdrop, and one year later, here we
Speaker 3: are and I couldn't be more happier. So, you know,
Speaker 3: thank you guys for thinking of us. We appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Quick hitters. Now, just first thing to come to mind.
Speaker 1: Let us know what you think top five most impactful
Speaker 1: international players of all time in your opinion?
Speaker 2: Oh, impactful, impactful best? Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: Obviously you know Drajan Petrovich one of the guys that
Speaker 3: comes to mind first. Him and Vladi Divas probably were
Speaker 3: the trailblazer that set the pace for the you know,
Speaker 3: europe players in the nineties. The bonus bonus people forget about,
Speaker 3: especially now with Jokis throwing all these crazy passes. You know,
Speaker 3: the bonus was was doing that first Tony Kukos incredible
Speaker 3: and then you had that generation you know, Parker, Yousoul
Speaker 3: and Vitski.
Speaker 2: So Dirk, you got to.
Speaker 3: Put the Dirk there, right, international guys Obviously, if you
Speaker 3: got to pick one guy the greatest international player ever,
Speaker 3: I was still picked Dirk still, you know, but right.
Speaker 2: Now, does anyone have a chance in your opinion to
Speaker 2: surpass I think so, you know, we've seen crazier things happen.
Speaker 3: Obviously, that title was so tough, and that's what makes
Speaker 3: his position there, you know, even even more established. But
Speaker 3: I think we're going to see some stuff in the future. Man,
Speaker 3: these young guys coming up, they're ready to do some
Speaker 3: crazy stuff. And obviously, you know, things that Luka, Doncics
Speaker 3: and Yolks have been doing have been surreal, so you
Speaker 3: know they're up there. It's just a matter of if
Speaker 3: they're going to win the title. You know, it increases
Speaker 3: their eyes obviously, you know how that goes.
Speaker 2: Got to win. We locked Dirk up.
Speaker 4: I don't think we can lock yok at y'all lukaup No, Yeah,
Speaker 4: we locked Yrk Cup twice.
Speaker 2: It was a team ever, m J Lebron Kobe rank them?
Speaker 2: MJ Kobe Lebron? Just how I got now? Tell us why?
Speaker 1: Because I think often Kobe is one, and obviously he's
Speaker 1: gone and rest in peace, but I think for some
Speaker 1: reason people always want to jump him and automatically compare
Speaker 1: Lebron and MJ.
Speaker 2: Why is Kobe number two? To you?
Speaker 3: Honestly, it goes back to the titles, right they're I mean,
Speaker 3: you know you're gonna put Jordan first, obviously, but I
Speaker 3: really have a problem with Kobe being overlooked. I mean,
Speaker 3: Lebron James is, you know, probably going to be the
Speaker 3: greatest score in history of basketball for many years to come.
Speaker 3: So no doubt that the numbers are going to be
Speaker 3: on their side. You can talk about the fear factor
Speaker 3: all you want. You know, there's a lot of narrative
Speaker 3: now with guys saying like, oh, guys feared Kobe, Guys
Speaker 3: fear Jordan. They don't feel Lebron. I don't really necessarily
Speaker 3: think that's true. You know, I've seen him first handed. Yes,
Speaker 3: it makes me definitely scar so I can only yeah,
Speaker 3: I can only speak for my experience.
Speaker 2: But we had this discussion. You know, we might as
Speaker 2: well put it out there.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm ready to argue with Kobe, even more
Speaker 3: talented player than Jordan, you know, so if they're ready
Speaker 3: for that. I don't know if they're ready for that discussion.
Speaker 3: But it always goes back to MJ. It always goes
Speaker 3: back to the rings. And definitely fine with that obviously,
Speaker 3: you know guy I idolized growing up.
Speaker 2: So a good discussion to have, though, right, Absolutely great discussion.
Speaker 1: If you can rewatch any player in their prime and
Speaker 1: you can sit courtside for that game, which game would
Speaker 1: it be?
Speaker 2: Oh, in their Prime.
Speaker 3: It would have to be one the Kobe games, one
Speaker 3: of the Kobe Games, or maybe one of the MJ games.
Speaker 2: Huh maybe like MJ Final.
Speaker 3: Games Game six is some of those those are crazy man,
Speaker 3: Kobe getting eighty one, Kobe getting eighty one.
Speaker 2: I mean there's so many it's picking truth, right, A
Speaker 2: lot of buckets.
Speaker 4: So yeah, if you stuck on the island, what three
Speaker 4: shows or movies?
Speaker 3: It would be in rotation wire number one? Nice I
Speaker 3: put wire number one. I'm gonna go with Seinfeld number two. Nice,
Speaker 3: I love Seinfeld. Number three would be let me think
Speaker 3: you got me there? I mean I love breaking bad
Speaker 3: sopranos like you one is good. Yeah if you agree
Speaker 3: with that, Yeah, I love one of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you can post one message on a billboard for
Speaker 1: not only your country to see, but the world to see,
Speaker 1: what would your message?
Speaker 2: It could be a word, or it could be a slogan.
Speaker 2: What would one message you'd want to send to the world.
Speaker 2: Be nice to each other, nice to one another.
Speaker 3: Man, just spread joy, spread positive energy, being pathic, and
Speaker 3: you know, I think the world needs it now more
Speaker 3: than ever. I feel like positive energy and love it
Speaker 3: just transmits and it always comes back. So I mean,
Speaker 3: that's the first thing that comes to mind. If you could.
Speaker 4: See one person on our show, who would it be?
Speaker 4: But you have to help us get your answer on
Speaker 4: the show.
Speaker 2: And you know a lot of people too, So I'm
Speaker 2: ready for this answer.
Speaker 3: Man, Dirk, Dirk, Dirk, Jordan.
Speaker 2: You got Jordan's Now are you gonna call Jordan? We
Speaker 2: know people that know people, Steve, and we already got work.
Speaker 3: So you know, we got you guys here, So I
Speaker 3: don't you know, we dream big, We dream big, and
Speaker 3: I'll dream big with you guys. So what were you
Speaker 3: guys want? I'm a big fan of the show anyway,
Speaker 3: so you know, really hoping.
Speaker 11: For all the best best dumb man we wanted to
Speaker 11: think we're early. He has to say somebody, Okay, who
Speaker 11: is the person person to get on the show? Yes,
Speaker 11: you know who you got to get on the show,
Speaker 11: Bill Burr.
Speaker 2: Bill Bird is a comedian. Bill Burr is hilarious. It's hilarious, dude.
Speaker 3: So I feel like you too, I mean two of
Speaker 3: you and Bill Bird, Like, let me know if that's
Speaker 3: a good idea.
Speaker 4: Knows Bill Burr, no one would expect him on our show,
Speaker 4: but it would be classic, say.
Speaker 1: That yes, Domo again, we wanted to thank you and
Speaker 1: and really thank your country.
Speaker 2: You guys have woken us with open arms.
Speaker 1: People have been great, the food has been great, It's
Speaker 1: been beautiful.
Speaker 2: Some of the most beautiful sunsets in the world.
Speaker 1: Someone told me that Alfred Hitchcock stayed in a hotel
Speaker 1: down there and wrote a handwritten letter and left it
Speaker 1: on the nightstand and said Croatias have the most beautiful
Speaker 1: sunsets in the world.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And as you can see, I mean he wasn't lying.
Speaker 3: It was every day, hundreds and hundreds of people they
Speaker 3: gathered here and they just stare at this beautiful sun.
Speaker 3: And we're so happy to be living in this beautiful country.
Speaker 3: And I couldn't be more proud that we showed it
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 2: Guys. I'm moving to.
Speaker 1: We want to thank you Pete Stephen, everyone behind the
Speaker 1: scenes that we didn't get a chance to meet to
Speaker 1: say thank you for having us. Thank you guys thus
Speaker 1: for showing up tonight, and we look forward to the
Speaker 1: rest of the conference.
Speaker 2: Man, We appreciate you. Thank you guys for being here
Speaker 2: as much love, Thank you, thanks so appreciate it. Thank
Speaker 2: you guys, appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Man, we just wrapped our panel at the Sunset Sports
Speaker 1: Media Festival. Man, We've had a great time in Croatia.
Speaker 2: Jack, what's your thought? Beautiful place? Man? I enjoyed the
Speaker 2: great food.
Speaker 4: It's the place that I definitely want to come back
Speaker 4: and visit.
Speaker 2: Might even buy a house here.
Speaker 1: Can you tell the fans while you chose to take
Speaker 1: a minivan instead of hopping in this private plane with
Speaker 1: us in the island hop Yeah one.
Speaker 4: As y'all know, I work hard to live good and
Speaker 4: to ride good. The plane was entirely too small for five.
Speaker 4: I got claustrophovic, so I'd rather drive. And then the
Speaker 4: good thing about the drive, the scenery was a beautiful
Speaker 4: scenery and I blew it down the whole way.
Speaker 1: So you would rather take five hours on the dri
Speaker 1: I've been twenty minutes on the flight.
Speaker 2: Just to smoke and be comfortable. I sure will.
Speaker 1: And you heard it first year Man, We've got a
Speaker 1: great time to create. Your shout out to our man,
Speaker 1: Domo and everybody who made this trip, pot the showtime bosses.
Speaker 2: You guys know who you are. Malca.
Speaker 1: Man, we're in a fucking Croatia for a podcast, Man,
Speaker 1: Level up,