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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: What's so mysterious about time?

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Speaker 3: Oh well, what isn't mysterious about time? You know, time's

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Speaker 3: an enigma. It stands as an immovable wall that's forever

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Speaker 3: teasiness with its permanence. Once an event occurs, there's no

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Speaker 3: way to reverse it. That's why people mankind has grappled

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Speaker 3: with the constant thought if only I had acted differently,

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Speaker 3: But time make sure that that doesn't happen, or does it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we have seen throughout history events that seem

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Speaker 3: to show that time for certain individuals can act differently.

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Speaker 3: You can get things like time slips, missing times, or

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Speaker 3: on rare occurrences added time. So it's just a forever

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Speaker 3: mystery so far with us whether or not whether or

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Speaker 3: not time is something that can be looked at purely

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Speaker 3: in science and physics, or if it involves something else.

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Speaker 2: Some physics physicists will tell us that time started when

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Speaker 2: the universe started, that there was no time before that.

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Speaker 2: What do you think of that?

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah, whether the theory has it that, you know,

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Speaker 3: with the Big Bang, time expanded outward along with the

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Speaker 3: universe and that that earrow of time, that part of

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Speaker 3: time that forever keeps us moving forwards, kind of like

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Speaker 3: a river, like we're stuck on a raft on a

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Speaker 3: river that's constantly moving to the future, and that when

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Speaker 3: the time comes, when the universe runs out of energy

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Speaker 3: and the last proton disappears into the darkness, time will

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Speaker 3: end as well.

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Speaker 2: Does that mean that's history for all of us?

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Speaker 4: Well, it could be, But as time goes by, physicists

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Speaker 4: are learning that there is probably a lot more to

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Speaker 3: Than what has been described by the Big Bang theory,

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Speaker 3: and that time may actually be an emergent property from

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Speaker 3: someplace else in our universe, meaning that our universe is

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Speaker 3: just a smaller part of a much larger universe and

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Speaker 3: that's where time emerges from. So basically, for us, time

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Speaker 3: is an illusion. Those of us who were caught up

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Speaker 3: in three dimensional space, I should say.

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Speaker 2: Tim, why does it feel like time sometimes for so

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Speaker 2: many people just zooms by, goes by, so done fast.

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Speaker 1: To me?

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Speaker 3: I think that that is an important observation to show

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Speaker 3: that consciousness has the ability to manipulate time. Maybe the

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Speaker 3: two are intertwined in such a way that you can't

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Speaker 3: really have one without the other. And I know what

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Speaker 3: you mean, George. You know, when you're having a really

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Speaker 3: good time, when you're having fun and not focused really

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Speaker 3: on anything, time just seems to shoot by, yep. But

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Speaker 3: then there are other times, you know, when you're just

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Speaker 3: in a slog, and it's almost like time reverses itself

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Speaker 3: and starts going backwards. Now is that a real fact

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Speaker 3: or is it just something that your you know, that

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Speaker 3: your mind is manipulating. And that's one of the things

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Speaker 3: amongst many that physicists are trying to find out, you know,

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Speaker 3: whether or not our consciousness does have a direct impact

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Speaker 3: on time.

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Speaker 2: I would doodle when I was in school when a

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Speaker 2: teacher was saying something that I was bored with, and

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Speaker 2: I wrote one day nineteen sixty, which was the year

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Speaker 2: I was ten, and I just put nineteen sixty, and

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Speaker 2: then I drew an arrow under it to the year

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Speaker 2: two thousand, and that year looked so far away. Now

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Speaker 2: I look back and it was twenty five years ago.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't stop.

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Speaker 1: Nope.

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Speaker 3: That's again, that is the confounding thing about time. No

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Speaker 3: matter what you do, you can't get off, you know,

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Speaker 3: stop time. I want to get off, but that doesn't happen.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's one of the most familiar, yet

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Speaker 3: one of the most mysterious of the basic concept of

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Speaker 3: the human mind. You know, and because of that, time

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Speaker 3: has fascinating as fascinating man since the dawn of civilization.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about the great scientist Nicola Tesla. He had

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Speaker 2: a life changing event that changed his view on time.

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Speaker 2: What happened to him?

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Speaker 1: He did?

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Speaker 3: He did well. You know Nikola Tesla, the person who

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Speaker 3: is responsible really for our modern technology. You know, he

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Speaker 3: was the inventor of the ac motor, amongst other things.

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Speaker 3: The guy he was, He was the guy. And when

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Speaker 3: in one of his laboratories in Manhattan in the very

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Speaker 3: that he told a local reporter that they were experimenting

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Speaker 3: with one of his Tesla coils. You know, that's one

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Speaker 3: of those giant apparatus that can create lightning bolts. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you've seen it on the TV. And they had what

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Speaker 3: was called a magnifying transmitter, which meant that the electricity

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Speaker 3: an errant a bolt of electricity, and even though he

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Speaker 3: this bolt, he had an experience where it felt like

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Speaker 3: that he had been catapulted outside of time and space.

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Speaker 3: Now this isn't his own words, and this was long

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Speaker 3: before you know, science had even started to try to

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Speaker 3: conceptualize what time was. But Tesla felt like that he

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Speaker 3: could see both the past, the present, and the future

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Speaker 3: all at the same time, and that for a brief

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Speaker 3: the universe was working. And unfortunately for us, his assistant,

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Speaker 3: able to use the two by four to knock him

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Speaker 3: out of this electrical arc. Else, you know, he eventually

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Speaker 3: would have fried. But after this experience, and he said

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Speaker 3: that once he was out of it, then all of this,

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Speaker 3: all of this perception that he was that he was receiving,

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Speaker 3: there was more going on with the universe than he

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Speaker 3: normal physical world. And because of that, he developed a

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Speaker 3: lifelong interest in trying to develop his own unified field theory.

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Speaker 3: Much like Einstein was working on and around you know,

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Speaker 3: this the same time, and all of that was based

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Speaker 3: on Tesla's accident and his idea that time was non existent,

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Speaker 3: that the past, the present, and future all exists at

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Speaker 3: the same time. It's it's it's difficult for our three

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Speaker 3: of the first outside of you know, Eastern philosophers to

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Speaker 3: develop this idea that that time and space, first of all,

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Speaker 2: But that.

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Speaker 3: Our perceptions of time moving forward is an illusion. Why

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Speaker 3: it's an illusion no one has really been able to

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Speaker 3: work out yet, Probably because we evolved in the three

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Speaker 3: anything beyond that we would not be able to survive.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: We we evolved to avoid that sabertoothed tiger hiding in

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Speaker 3: the bushes. You know, if if you did not have

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Speaker 3: this constantly moving arrow moving forward in time as a species,

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Speaker 3: we would have died a long time ago. So that's

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Speaker 3: one of the mysteries of time that that Tesla started

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Speaker 3: to contemplate. It's so long ago and we're still trying

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Speaker 3: to work it out.

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Speaker 2: What are some of your favorite stories that revolve around

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Speaker 2: time issues.

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Speaker 3: Oh gosh, there's so many. You know, it's it's these,

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Speaker 3: you know, these personal anecdotes that people have come to

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Speaker 3: me over the years. You know. This Weird Time Exploring

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Speaker 3: the Mysteries of Time and Space is actually the third

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Speaker 3: book that I have written about time. It is constantly

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Speaker 3: a fascinating subject, and every time I put out one book,

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Speaker 3: I start getting letters from people telling me their own

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Speaker 3: personal experiences. And George, I had one of myself when

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Speaker 3: I was a kid that I haven't talked about a lot,

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Speaker 3: but it evolved a time slip when I was about

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Speaker 3: sixteen years old, and I have to admit this is

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Speaker 3: one of my own favorite stories because I know it happened.

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Speaker 3: You cannot you cannot tear me away with the idea

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Speaker 3: that something weird hadn't happened. And with a friend, we

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Speaker 3: had a flat tire while out of the country. This

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Speaker 3: we were trying to use, you know, like one of

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Speaker 3: those old fashioned attire jacks, and it wouldn't We were

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Speaker 3: we had parked in front of an old farmhouse, and

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Speaker 3: from this farmhouse came this guy who brought us a

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Speaker 3: piece of flop plywood that we were then able to

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Speaker 3: Well later my mom found out this story. Tried not

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Speaker 3: to tell them what had happened, but she found out

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Speaker 3: anyway and insisted that I bring this guy, I can't

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Speaker 3: remember that it was a pie or a cake something

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Speaker 3: like that, to thank him for helping us. I could

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Speaker 3: not then find this house. I knew exactly where it was,

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Speaker 3: closest I could find to it was that I remember

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Speaker 3: that it had old fashioned teacup rose bushes on either

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Speaker 2: Did somebody and cart it away?

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Speaker 3: It? It seems like it. And this was just in

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Speaker 3: was it? Was it a ghostly experience? Was it a

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Speaker 3: time slip? I don't know it it it? You know

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Speaker 3: and this will always stay in my mind, wondering what

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Speaker 2: Explain what a time slip is.

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Speaker 3: Then, A time slip is an experience that most of

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Speaker 3: the time it's an individual, but like in my case,

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Speaker 3: it seems like that you have exited present time and

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Speaker 3: have entered another time. As simple as that, either a

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Speaker 3: past event or some people reported future events. The things

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Speaker 3: around you are seen to change. If, say, like you're

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Speaker 3: You'll have all the sensory experiences. You can smell and

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Speaker 3: feel what's going on around you, and it appears like

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Speaker 3: that you have actually entered a past, our, future time.

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Speaker 3: It's often overwhelming to the people who have these experiences,

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Speaker 3: and then just as quickly it ends. It's it's like

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Speaker 3: almost like a reversed ghostly experience where instead of seeing

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Speaker 3: an individual phantasm, all of reality around you changes. And

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Speaker 3: it's a mysterious event that a lot of scientists don't

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Speaker 3: want to talk about, but it does make you wonder

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Speaker 3: whether or not that, as Einstein said, that time actually

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Speaker 3: has like currents and ebbs and flows around it that

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Speaker 3: can take you onto little sidetracks, maybe briefly into the past,

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