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Speaker 2: Today we're going to try to rip through as much

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Speaker 2: news as we possibly can. So last night around midnight,

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Speaker 2: we got the first Supreme Court weighing in not really

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Speaker 2: doge activity. So break all of that down for you

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Speaker 2: what it means, what is going to happen next. Also,

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Speaker 2: big Cabinet meeting yesterday that Elon Musk was at some

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Speaker 2: very interesting things happened there. We'll show you some of

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Speaker 2: the highlights. Saga really wanted to sound off on the

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Speaker 2: Trump Golden visa, so Ryan Emily covered it yesterday, but

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Speaker 2: More airplane near missus absolutely terrifying too. Coming in a

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Speaker 2: from one of those near misses. There's a new Biden

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Speaker 1: It is the.

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Speaker 2: Inside story of his decline and the cover up. Jake

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Speaker 2: part of that cover up. And Jeff Bezos making it

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Speaker 2: plane that the Washington Post is not going to brook

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Speaker 2: any descent from.

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Speaker 2: So we'll talk to you about that and the fallout

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's there's a lot to say about it. It's

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Speaker 1: fits well with a guest that Counterpoints had on it yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Really excited to be able to bring this to everybody.

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Speaker 1: They got to sit down with the CFPB's former roe, Hitchopra,

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Speaker 1: of allegations made against him by Mark Andresen and by

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Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg. We will be exclusively dropping that for our

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Speaker 1: why don't we get to the miniblock, Crystal?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So some news, some court news, legal news coming

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Speaker 2: out last night, Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts weighing

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of pieces here.

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Speaker 2: Obviously when you cut something by ninety percent that come

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Speaker 2: We don't like that program, and effectively consolidates the power

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Speaker 1: as we said, So it's that this is just a stay.

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Speaker 2: On that totally, and I think that's an important part

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Speaker 2: that's what this came down to. But you know, you

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, there's a book I'm totally blanking on the name

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Speaker 1: So I just think it's important to say Trump is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and also get on camera, yeah exactly say oh no,

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Speaker 3: He came down very clearly. You know, he didn't equivocate.

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Speaker 2: He came down very clearly on the side of Elon,

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Speaker 3: Oh, you mean the office that Elon Musk and his

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Speaker 2: How interesting they're going to be gutted by ninety percent.

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Speaker 2: And you're absolutely right, Zager, Like, if you're one of

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Speaker 9: of the things we accidentally canceled very briefly was evola prevention.

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Speaker 9: I think we will want ebola prevention. So we restored

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Speaker 9: the ebola prevention immediately and there was no interruption. But

440
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Speaker 9: we do need to move quickly if we are to

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Speaker 9: achieve a trillion dollar deficit reduction and financially twenty twenty six,

442
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Speaker 9: it requires saving four billion dollars per day every day

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Speaker 9: from now through the end of September. But we can

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Speaker 9: do it, and we will do it.

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Speaker 1: So there you go in terms of the numbers that evolves.

446
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Speaker 1: This is part of why I'm also starting to get

447
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Speaker 1: very annoyed, is listen, you can doze all you want.

448
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Speaker 1: If Congress can continues to fund it, then I mean,

449
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Speaker 1: even if the government the government is not quote spending

450
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Speaker 1: the money immediately, like at least it's being printed in

451
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Speaker 1: or held or whatever in escrow by the government for

452
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Speaker 1: the future. It's not like it's actually changed the stuff there.

453
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Speaker 1: And also, as I understand it, the current way that

454
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Speaker 1: the tax bill and all that is shaking out, as

455
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Speaker 1: we're looking at some four point five trillion dollar increase

456
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Speaker 1: in the overall debt limit for what the cap that's

457
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Speaker 1: being allowed. This is openly acknowledged, Like I just want

458
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Speaker 1: people to understand that it's not only a few hundred

459
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Speaker 1: more billion in the Continuing Resolution, it's an extra one

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Speaker 1: hundred billion to be spent over at the Pentagon on

461
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Speaker 1: top of a major tax cut. I mean, we've talked

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Speaker 1: here till we're blue in the face about the Pentagon

463
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Speaker 1: and how if you ever really want to cut spending

464
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Speaker 1: like it all exists right there, we can easily change

465
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Speaker 1: procurement systems and all that we could spend. We could

466
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Speaker 1: literally save hundreds of billions and all of that if

467
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Speaker 1: we want to, I will say, I mean, on the

468
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Speaker 1: popularity of this, I still have no idea. I think

469
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Speaker 1: it's now obvious that there is a like blue Maga

470
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Speaker 1: backlash against this, the resistance is activated and it exists,

471
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Speaker 1: and I don't think anybody can say that's deniable. What's

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Speaker 1: open question to me is the similar question of Democrats

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Speaker 1: and Obamacare back in two thousand and nine. Will this

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Speaker 1: be depressing to overall Republican turnout. Will it be one

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Speaker 1: of those things where Republicans are tacitly okay with it,

476
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Speaker 1: but they're not enthusiastic about coming out, or will they

477
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Speaker 1: actively turn against it? And that's one of those very

478
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Speaker 1: open questions. I also wonder about the independence and all this.

479
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Speaker 1: You know, attitudes around government institutional trust still remain very,

480
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Speaker 1: very low. Maybe this will change their mind. I'm still

481
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Speaker 1: not sure. I still think, of course, the economy will

482
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Speaker 1: be the number one determined factor out of all of this.

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Speaker 1: But part of the issue is that at the very

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Speaker 1: same time that all of this is happening, consumer sentiment

485
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Speaker 1: is starting to tick down. Go take a look at

486
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Speaker 1: the S and P five hundred and others and some

487
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Speaker 1: of the reasons why even though Nvidia beat its earnings yesterday,

488
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Speaker 1: while you're still seeing some shaky results in the overall

489
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Speaker 1: stock market, people are pretty worried about tariffs and about

490
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Speaker 1: the economy and without a big plan that kind of

491
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Speaker 1: sells it to the American people. You kind of just

492
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Speaker 1: get this chaotic feeling where feeling about the economy and

493
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Speaker 1: savings and all that is bad. The fundamentals remain horrible obviously,

494
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Speaker 1: as we talk about here all the time for cost

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Speaker 1: of living, and you could end up in a really

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Speaker 1: bad situation.

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Speaker 2: Well, and it becomes increasingly clear it's a pro olagarch agenda.

498
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Speaker 2: I mean, when you're doing massive four trillion dollar tax

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Speaker 2: cut for the rich. You know, we'll see whether they

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Speaker 2: do any of the populist no tax on tips or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But even if they do, compared to the size of

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Speaker 2: the four trillion that is going to the wealthiest, it's peanuts.

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Speaker 2: So you've got that, you've got massive cuts to Medicaid,

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Speaker 2: which you're talking some seventy to eighty million people, many seniors.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if people realize as many seniors who

506
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Speaker 2: are in long term care, it's Medicaid.

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Speaker 3: That pays for that.

508
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Speaker 2: Millions of berths in this country paid for by Medicaid.

509
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Speaker 2: Many rural hospitals are utter dependent on this program. I

510
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Speaker 2: saw a stat yesterday about the number of hospitals rural

511
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Speaker 2: hospitals in Alabama alone that would close. We're in the

512
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Speaker 2: double digits, so huge cuts to social safety net programs,

513
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Speaker 2: massive giveaway to the rich, the richest man on the

514
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Speaker 2: planet running the government to his own benefit. And I

515
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Speaker 2: just always think it's important as we go through all

516
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Speaker 2: of these individual developments of he said this, and he

517
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Speaker 2: did that, and here's where the're cutting now and Social

518
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Speaker 2: Security administration is being hacked by fifty percent. I think

519
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Speaker 2: it's really important to zoom out and try to understand

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Speaker 2: what the big picture is. As Sager says, this isn't

521
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Speaker 2: about cutting spending. We know that because of the build

522
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Speaker 2: that just passed the House with every Republican supporting it

523
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Speaker 2: save for Thomas Massey and Donald Trump behind it, okay,

524
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Speaker 2: which would massively increase the debt and the deficit. This

525
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Speaker 2: is about Elon's ideology and personal goals. Number One, I

526
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Speaker 2: think you know, as best I can tell, he wants

527
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Speaker 2: to suck up as much data from the federal garment

528
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Speaker 2: to feed his own AI to try to win that competition.

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Speaker 2: Number Two, he wants to use the federal government as

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Speaker 2: his own personal piggybank for his goal of getting to

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Speaker 2: Mars and making humans an interplanetary species number three. I

532
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Speaker 2: think Sager is right the other day he wants to

533
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Speaker 2: be a trillionaire. And so the plan here, which has

534
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Speaker 2: been laid out by Curtis Jarvin and discussed by JD.

535
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Speaker 2: Vance and Peter Thiels behind it and Mark Andresen as well,

536
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Speaker 2: is to have Elon be the CEO dictator of the

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Speaker 2: country and Trump to be the chairman of the board.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think we've ever seen a clearer image

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Speaker 2: of exactly that dynamic as we saw in this cabinet

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Speaker 2: meeting this week. That's exactly the dynamic that was playing

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Speaker 2: out there, where it's really Elon making the decisions. And yes,

542
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Speaker 2: Trump gets to have some sign off and gets to

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Speaker 2: be involved, but Elon is the really the one who

544
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Speaker 2: has taken charge. And of course, if you are taking

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Speaker 2: the power of the purse from the from Congress, if

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Speaker 2: you are completely consolidating power within the executive branch, if

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Speaker 2: you are flirting with I mean, now they are defying

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Speaker 2: court orders, but they're not in technical open defiance of

549
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Speaker 2: court orders. But if you're flirting with that, all of

550
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Speaker 2: those things are unconstitutional. All of that is illegal and unconstitutional. Now,

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Speaker 2: how this is all going to play out in the

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Speaker 2: court system. How the Supreme Court's going to respond when

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Speaker 2: their own legitimacy is on the line. That also remains

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Speaker 2: to be seen. But I also, just before we move

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Speaker 2: on to the nets next set, I have to also

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Speaker 2: clarify that ELIN with this Ebola thing, it's not even

557
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Speaker 2: true that they turn the funds back on those. Yes,

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Speaker 2: those funds are frozen, as are almost all the funds

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Speaker 2: actually probably literally all the funds coming out of usaidea

560
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Speaker 2: again in defiance of court order, in defiance of even

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Speaker 2: the Secretary of State Mark or Rubio, who had put

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Speaker 2: out some waivers for things like petfar and DOGE came

563
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Speaker 2: in over his head. This is a dynamic ride was

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Speaker 2: talking about yesterday's and none. It's still frozen. So it's

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Speaker 2: not even the you know, agency heads that have control

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Speaker 2: here literally is Elon Muskindos, et cetera. But Ebola prevention

567
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Speaker 2: has not actually been turned back on. And of course

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Speaker 2: this is not the only time when they've accidentally fired

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Speaker 2: something that was really or frozen something that was absolutely critical.

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Speaker 2: There was the people who were watching bird flu that

571
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Speaker 2: they had to scramble and rehire. There was the nuclear

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Speaker 2: safety guy that they had to scramble and rehire. There

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Speaker 2: were some Transportation safety people, there were some FDA people,

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Speaker 2: all of these big mistakes that if you saw them

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Speaker 2: unfolding in any other part of government, Elon would be

576
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Speaker 2: calling for these people.

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Speaker 3: Look at you, how.

578
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Speaker 2: Incompetent they are, look at how poorly they're doing their job.

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Speaker 2: They would be fired immediately.

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Speaker 3: But no.

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Speaker 2: In fact, Ebola Prevention AID has not been restored. It

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Speaker 2: continues to be frozen, as is almost everything in USAID.

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Speaker 1: The only thing I would quibble with there is I

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Speaker 1: think that Elon's agenda is not nearly as aligned as

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Speaker 1: you might think with Cartis Jarvin, or or with Curtis

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Speaker 1: Jarvin and or Peter Thiel slash JD. Vans. I think

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Speaker 1: all of these are a little bit more distinct. Elon

588
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Speaker 1: is like a power in and of itself who probably

589
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Speaker 1: likes the idea of the so called dictator. But if

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Speaker 1: you really think about the CEO dictator model that Jarvin

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Speaker 1: and others had put out, it's a lot more rooted

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Speaker 1: in like actual small d democratic legitimacy and being like

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Speaker 1: a popular figure who takes strong control of the government,

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Speaker 1: not dismantling the government itself. Much more like.

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 2: I mean, because Jarvin talked about the rage like rage

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Speaker 2: higher all government employees.

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Speaker 1: Let me explain it. So rage is not a Javier

599
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Speaker 1: Malay style thing. Rage is about deplacing the current regime

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Speaker 1: by putting in a new regime. I don't think Elon

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Speaker 1: wants a new regime, Right's the That's kind of the

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Speaker 1: point that I'm trying to explain. As in Steve Bannon.

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons Steve Bannon is against the administrative

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Speaker 1: state is because he thinks that the administrative state as

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Speaker 1: is currently constituted is against the like MAGA ideal. But

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Speaker 1: Steve Bannon would not be against the idea of a

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Speaker 1: MAGA administrative state right neither. I cannot speak for the

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Speaker 1: JD or any these other people. I don't think so,

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Speaker 1: just in terms of the stuff that they have said

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Speaker 1: previously about government. I don't even think Jarvin would necessarily

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Speaker 1: disagree with what I'm saying. I do think that Elon

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Speaker 1: is against the administrative state period and is much more

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Speaker 1: online with the privatized nature of where things are currently headed.

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Speaker 1: And so that's where you can come at the same

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Speaker 1: problem attack vector and say we need to get rid

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Speaker 1: of the current government employees. But then from there is

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Speaker 1: the divergence point. And this is what Steve Bannon ultimately

618
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Speaker 1: correctly sees is he sees this as an attempt to

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Speaker 1: basically privatize out all of these things so that you

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Speaker 1: can have no regulatory regime as opposed to I would

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Speaker 1: say people probably more like Curtis and JD or other

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Speaker 1: figures who would swim in these waters, who would say, no,

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Speaker 1: we need actually need our own government mechanism to enforce

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Speaker 1: like our abilities and or control over like the broader market.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I think it's still important to say

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Speaker 1: why Elon is really his own strain of whatever the

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Speaker 1: hell is going on.

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Speaker 2: I think that's probably true. I think he's less like

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Speaker 2: a true believer in the dark Enlightenment and you know,

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Speaker 2: the neo reactionary movement and more finds it to be

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Speaker 2: a very useful construct.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly for his own power graph.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But I mean in the end, whether he's like a

635
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Speaker 2: true believer or whether he's just using that ideology for

636
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: his own ends, the outcome is basically the same.

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Speaker 3: And you're right, Elon doesn't want there.

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Speaker 1: To he is.

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Speaker 2: I think it's it's closest to say he's an anarcho capitalist.

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Speaker 2: I mean he believes that every function of the government

641
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Speaker 2: should effectively be privatized. And that relates more to this

642
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: other related idea of network states, where they want to

643
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Speaker 2: have these you know, many states, and they're already like,

644
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Speaker 2: you know, there already are some of these cities that

645
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Speaker 2: are set up this way that are basically private corporations

646
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Speaker 2: and they are completely privatized. And when Elon says he

647
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Speaker 2: thinks every single federal government worker should be out of

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Speaker 2: the public sector and into what he describes as more

649
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Speaker 2: productive private sector jobs, what you're describing is an anarcho

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Speaker 2: capitalist ideology, which is.

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Speaker 3: Distinct from you know, a russ vote.

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Speaker 2: I think you would put more in the like libertarian category,

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Speaker 2: which we want. He was, you know, libertarians want a

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Speaker 2: small state, but they still think like, oh, we should

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Speaker 2: have a military and a police force and a court

656
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Speaker 2: system to enforce proper private property rights. You know, anarcho

657
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Speaker 2: capitalists truly believe in privatizing literally everything, including security forces,

658
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Speaker 2: and Elon appears to be much more in that camp,

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Speaker 2: and as the richest man on the planet, even though

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Speaker 2: he himself was the recipient of massive Government Aid Washington

661
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Speaker 2: posted a great report on this at critical times like

662
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Speaker 2: Tesla and SpaceX probably would not even exist today were

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Speaker 2: not for loans and subsidies and the government ignoring him

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Speaker 2: missing milestones at SpaceX and a massive almost five hundred

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Speaker 2: million dollar loan that came into to Tesla under the

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Speaker 2: Obama administration at an absolutely critical time. So even though

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Speaker 2: he personally has been a massive beneficiary of government support,

668
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Speaker 2: he wants to number one, make sure his competitors don't

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Speaker 2: benefit from that same support. Number Two, that the government

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Speaker 2: is not powerful enough that none of these regulatory agencies

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Speaker 2: are powerful enough to rein in his power. And that's

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Speaker 2: number three, to be able to have access personally and

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Speaker 2: have the US taxpayer backstop his own net worth and

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Speaker 2: fund his own ambitions. So if you know these ideas

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Speaker 2: that are floating out there that have become very popular,

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Speaker 2: like the neo reactionary movement, the Curtis Yarvin Ceo dictator

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Speaker 2: with the Chairman of the Board thing, whether it's that,

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Speaker 2: whether it's the network state idea, whatever is out there

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Speaker 2: in the ether that he can grab onto to pursue

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Speaker 2: his own personal ideological interest goals.

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Speaker 3: And you know one other thing.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sorry I'm going on here, but I think

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Speaker 2: it's important for understanding his ideology as well. Is he

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Speaker 2: also is a believer in simulation theory, like I think

685
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Speaker 2: it's and I think that's me.

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Speaker 3: I believe he.

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Speaker 1: Is, and I'd be the lowest he does.

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Speaker 2: I think that part of how he sees himself is

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Speaker 2: that we all, including the President of the United States,

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Speaker 2: including all those cabinet secretaries, we are quote unquote NPCs,

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Speaker 2: non playable characters. And he is ready player one. He

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Speaker 2: is the hero of this story. He is the only

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Speaker 2: acting person with agency who is acting and creating this

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Speaker 2: grand adventure of humanity. And if you internalize that, that

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Speaker 2: that's the way he thinks of himself. I think his

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Speaker 2: actions and his willingness again to do whatever to you know,

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Speaker 2: whether it's he doesn't care about the kids in Africa

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Speaker 2: with HIV, doesn't care about the thousands of veterans who've

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Speaker 2: already been fired, He doesn't care certainly doesn't care about

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Speaker 2: the laws or the constitution or whatever. He is the

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Speaker 2: ready player one who is going to save humanity by

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Speaker 2: bringing us to Mars, and anything is justified in pursuit

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Speaker 2: of that quest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it does remind me that the movie is

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Speaker 1: also very good. Let's continue here, shall we. Let's put

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Speaker 1: the next one up on the screen. This one is

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Speaker 1: about Medicare, and we're going to go ahead and play.

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Speaker 1: That was just reaffirming what you were saying about Ebola.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to the Medicare part, because this is also

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Speaker 1: important for what the future of dose and all of

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Speaker 1: that will look like in terms of whether they're actually

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Speaker 1: going to be even able to achieve any cuts. Let's

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Speaker 1: take a listen.

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Speaker 3: I think we build their pass last night aims to cut.

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Speaker 1: Two trillion dollars. Can you guarantee that Medicare, Medicaid, social

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Speaker 1: Security will not be touched?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I mean I have said it so many times. You

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Speaker 6: shouldn't be asking me that question. Okay, this will not

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Speaker 6: be read my lips. It won't be read my lips anymore.

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Speaker 6: We're not going to touch it now. We are going

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Speaker 6: to look for fraud. I'm sure you're okay with that,

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Speaker 6: like people that shouldn't be on people that are illegal,

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Speaker 6: aliens and others criminals in many cases, and that's with

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Speaker 6: social Security.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of people.

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Speaker 6: You see that immediately when you see people that are

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Speaker 6: two hundred years old that are being sent checks with

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Speaker 6: Social Security.

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Speaker 1: All right, So there we go. Trump continues to say

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Speaker 1: that he will not cut Medicare, as we said, the

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Speaker 1: problem is that the current vending bill aims to cut

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Speaker 1: two trillion dollars. It's going to be a difficult one

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Speaker 1: if you. I mean, I was talking with a tax

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Speaker 1: expert just yesterday and we're like, okay, so how do

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Speaker 1: we even get to four point five trillion if we're

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Speaker 1: doing no tax on tips, no social Security. We're also

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Speaker 1: raising the salt cap up to twenty percent, which is

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Speaker 1: not even what the New York delegation and all those

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Speaker 1: other people want. And you extend all of it, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't It doesn't pencil like the Marrier does not. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about Medicare or Medicaid. That's leaving

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Speaker 1: all that stuff untouched. So either they're lying or they're

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Speaker 1: going to have to cut something else. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: probably bet. Online speaker Johnson yesterday was on a was

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Speaker 1: on TV and was asked specifically about this. He says, yes,

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Speaker 1: we won't cut Medicare or touch medicare literally at all.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we'll see, As I predicted.

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Speaker 2: This Medicaid is the one that's really on the medicailock. Well,

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Speaker 2: Johnson is out there saying we're going to do work requirements. Yes,

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Speaker 2: if you're you know, a single mom or whatever, it'll

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Speaker 2: be there for you. But if you are able bodied,

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Speaker 2: you're going to be kicked off. I mean, they are

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Speaker 2: talking about significant Medicaid cuts, and the numbers just I mean,

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Speaker 2: the numbers just don't add up to make that level

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Speaker 2: of cuts with adding money to the defense budget, by

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Speaker 2: the way, and most of the federal government is military spending,

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Speaker 2: healthcare spending, Social Security, and the bucket that they have

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Speaker 2: targeted in particular for massive cuts is Medicaid. Now, when

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Speaker 2: I hear Trump saying that in that particular sound bite,

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Speaker 2: what I hear is him giving himself some wiggle room

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Speaker 2: of no, we're not going to cut benefits, Oh, but

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Speaker 2: we're going to root out fraud. And I think that's

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Speaker 2: going to be the fig leaf of you know, we're

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Speaker 2: not cutting really cutting benefits to people who deserve it,

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Speaker 2: but they're still kicking millions of people off of Medicaid

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Speaker 2: that they decide undeserving or they decide are quote unquote fraudulent.

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Speaker 2: Because that's certainly the direction that things are.

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Speaker 1: Hiking right now. Honestly though, that's going to be a

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Speaker 1: much more difficult fight, right because welfare reform, whatever you

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Speaker 1: think of it, was very popular in nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 1: So work requirements in general, from the polling and all

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Speaker 1: that I've seen, are extremely popular. That would be an

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Speaker 1: interesting way for them to square the circle. But I'm

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Speaker 1: not yet sure. There was all these politics back in

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Speaker 1: the day called Dole politics, absolutely fascinating. If people want

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Speaker 1: to go back and look, let's just look in terms

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Speaker 1: of any potential blowback and what all this is. Let's

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Speaker 1: put this up there from NBC News. Guys, this is

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Speaker 1: a six Somehouse Republicans are currently hitting the brakes on

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Speaker 1: town halls after some of the blowback over the Trump

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Speaker 1: cuts to try and avoid some of those some of

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Speaker 1: those scenes that we've seen previously. And Crystal, you have

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Speaker 1: one from your own district, which you're going to set

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Speaker 1: up and tell us about.

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Speaker 2: This is a district I actually ran for Congress, and

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Speaker 2: they've since redistricted it, so I'm not technically don't live

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Speaker 2: in this district anymore. But this is Republican Congressman Rob Women.

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Speaker 2: He's really tried to position himself. He's a real kind

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Speaker 2: of like Beck venture tries not to say too much,

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Speaker 2: tries not to really rock the boat, et cetera, but

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Speaker 2: just goes along with the party line.

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Speaker 3: He had. It wasn't even him.

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Speaker 2: One of his staffers had some remote town hall and

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Speaker 2: it was flooded with you know, ultimately there were some

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Speaker 2: one hundred constituents. There's a very mostly like rural part

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Speaker 2: of Virginia. It's quite Republican. You know, he usually gets

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Speaker 2: re elected pretty pretty easily, pretty handily, et cetera. And

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Speaker 2: they were quite upset that he wasn't there and demanding

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Speaker 2: him to show up and answer their questions.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a lism where.

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Speaker 5: Where ro.

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Speaker 2: So flooding in even when he's not going to be there.

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Speaker 2: And I predicted that they would just stop doing town halls.

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Speaker 2: And I think that is certainly what's going to ultimately

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Speaker 2: happen here because I think some of the early ones

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Speaker 2: these are Republicans in super red districts that thought they

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Speaker 2: would be safe. But obviously even in very red districts,

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Speaker 2: you still have Democrats, right, still have in almost every

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Speaker 2: district in the country. You still have a pretty significant

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Speaker 2: number of Democrats who can show up, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I have no doubt like there's been a lot of

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Speaker 2: republica oh well, these are just astroturfed and they're just

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Speaker 2: you know, being organized to show up. I don't doubt

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Speaker 2: that that's the case that Move On and Indivisible and

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Speaker 2: these other organizations and even just the local Democratic Party

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Speaker 2: organizations are organizing people to go to these town halls.

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Speaker 2: But that was the same case during the Tea Party era,

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Speaker 2: and there was a lot of Democratic cope at that

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Speaker 2: time as well about the way this was funded by

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Speaker 2: the Cooke Network, et cetera. That was all true, But

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Speaker 2: you have to have people who are upset and energize

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Speaker 2: enough to listen when you send out your email blast

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Speaker 2: saying show up at this town hall. And it takes

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Speaker 2: extraordinary times for people to break down of whatever their

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Speaker 2: normal routine is and show up at a congressional town

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Speaker 2: hall to yell at their member of Congress. So I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't dismiss it just because yeah, of course it's it's

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Speaker 2: organized and there's you know, involvement from these activist groups.

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Speaker 2: There still is a reflection here of genuine base energy.

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Speaker 2: And when you're talking about a miterm election, in particular,

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Speaker 2: that ends up really really mattering, and that's certainly what.

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Speaker 1: We see party. Look, obviously they're being funded and or organized.

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Speaker 1: It's like, okay, welcome to politics. That's how it all works.

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Speaker 1: By that definition, the entire Trump campaign, half of which

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Speaker 1: was privatized by Elon, was privately you know, was organized

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Speaker 1: right to get.

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Speaker 3: Out the vote.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're still on right? Are we going to say

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Speaker 1: that it was fake? Obviously not right. This is one

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Speaker 1: of those where you're exactly right. Back in the day,

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Speaker 1: it was such a democratic talking point. I can't even

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Speaker 1: still remember. I can still remember they were like the

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Speaker 1: Tea Party was fake. It was all funded by the

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Speaker 1: Koch brothers. I actually I went to college here at

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Speaker 1: that time, and I just remember all of the protesters

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Speaker 1: flooding in from across the country. Did somebody pay for

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Speaker 1: their transportation by busting or whatever? Yeah? Maybe Did that

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Speaker 1: mean that they were any less activated and or organized

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Speaker 1: whenever they went home to get people to vote for them?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not. These people were die hard. They would have

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Speaker 1: paid for it if they could have, or they would

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Speaker 1: have been at home cheering it on on TV. So

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Speaker 1: just for people understand, like, just because you fund something

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Speaker 1: and bring people here and try and bring it in

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Speaker 1: tink does not make it fake per se. It's still

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Speaker 1: a reflection of something. So I would very much caution

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Speaker 1: Republicans from trying to get themselves out of like, oh,

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Speaker 1: the big money groups are paying for it. I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: well that's what they always do. But you've got to

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Speaker 1: have something to activate, you know, to be able, you

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Speaker 1: have to have somebody there be ready to organize. You

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Speaker 1: can't just you know, create it out of very thin air.

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Speaker 1: So caution there for Republicans definitely could continue to be

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Speaker 1: a problem. Turning now to Elon Musk and the potential

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Speaker 1: interview situation coming up, which I think all of us

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Speaker 1: would like to see. Let's go ahead and put this

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Speaker 1: up there on the screen. Elon, responding to a video

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Speaker 1: claiming that he should go on John Stewarage's show, replied

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Speaker 1: saying I will do it if the show airs on

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Speaker 1: an edited Daily Show quote tweeted and said at Elon Musk,

872
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Speaker 1: we would be delighted. So that could be very interesting.

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Speaker 2: And he did add one more condition after this, which

874
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 2: was like he was like, oh, and it has to

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Speaker 2: stream also on X which feels to me like he's

876
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Speaker 2: kind of trying to get out of it.

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Speaker 1: He tried, right, because from a copyright perspective, that would

878
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Speaker 1: be probably really difficult or jailing in Comedy Central here,

879
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: which is like archaic and stupid the way that they

880
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: handle their copyright stuff. So maybe that could be the

881
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Speaker 1: way that he'll get out of it. Let's discuss that

882
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Speaker 1: after though, we see how John Stewart's been talking about

883
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Speaker 1: Elon lately. Let's take a listen, and ten is all

884
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Speaker 1: of them? Right? It would be embarrassing if it.

885
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Speaker 10: Was a small drop in the bucket, and that the

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Speaker 10: American people didn't expect that we should negotiate for all

887
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Speaker 10: their frecking drugs because we've already paid for him with

888
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Speaker 10: our subsody.

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Speaker 1: It's fine. So he got so mad he literally busted

890
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Speaker 1: a cup in his own hands.

891
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Speaker 3: It was one of his better, better ones.

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Speaker 1: Actually, I think John's back and forth, I.

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Speaker 3: Feel like he I'm meeting the moment.

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Speaker 1: I found obviously, you know, like became a fan during

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Speaker 1: the Bush administration, and that's when I think he really

896
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: became like a singular and very important force because he

897
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: kind of did what we do. But before it's time,

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Speaker 1: almost twenty years ago, where he would both call out

899
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Speaker 1: Fox and MSNBC and CNN, ridicule kind of the mainstream media,

900
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Speaker 1: but directly take you know, take like a very hard

901
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Speaker 1: line against Bush and Cheney and a lot of the

902
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Speaker 1: other bullshit claims. And he was really good in the

903
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Speaker 1: Obama years too by basically countering not only like tea

904
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Speaker 1: Party adioc from time to time, but he would give

905
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Speaker 1: it to Obama and Nancy Pelosi and them just as much.

906
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Speaker 1: And so I do feel like he's really made for

907
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Speaker 1: this moment kind of to just ridicule every they makes sense,

908
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: you know that he had to come back for right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the most of that segment was focused on like, hey,

910
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: if you want to cut here's a bunch of places

911
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 2: you actually could, like tax subsidies for the rich and

912
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: oil and gas companies, or the defense budget. Here's you know,

913
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: like all kinds of places where if you're actually serious

914
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Speaker 2: about this, let's do it. And it was very effective,

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Speaker 2: which is why I think Elon felt the need to

916
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Speaker 2: jump in and you know, pretend like he's going to

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Speaker 2: do this interview, which I don't think is going to happen,

918
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Speaker 2: but we'll see. Somebody on Twitter was saying This might

919
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Speaker 2: be another like you know how one was. Yeah, Elon

920
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: and Mark Zuckerberg were supposedly going to fight and then

921
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Speaker 2: of course that never came to fruition. If he does,

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Speaker 2: I mean I would absolutely love to see it. John

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Speaker 2: Stewart is a great interviewer, underrated interviewer. That was one

924
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: of the best parts of his Apple show was all

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Speaker 2: these people would sit down with him, was all it

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Speaker 2: is John Stewart or the VA secretary or whatever, and

927
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Speaker 2: he would just rake them across the coals or Janet Yellen,

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Speaker 2: I mean, all these high level people, and he comes

929
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Speaker 2: in prepared and serious and is very smart person and

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Speaker 2: was able to do a very effective job. So I

931
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Speaker 2: think it would be I think it would be very

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Speaker 2: interesting and quite a uh. I think it would be

933
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Speaker 2: quite good head to head combat for us to all watch,

934
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Speaker 2: which is why I don't really think that Evan is

935
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Speaker 2: going to go.

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Speaker 1: Forward with it. All right, well we will see, shall we.

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Speaker 1: They'll be exciting, h