WEBVTT - #717 Packers Unscripted: Full speed ahead

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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<v Speaker 1>Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always

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<v Speaker 1>by my trusted colleague West and Hodkuitz, were coming to

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<v Speaker 1>you from different locations here at lambeau Field and Wes.

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<v Speaker 1>The last show that we did there was only one

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<v Speaker 1>training camp practice in the books. There are now five

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<v Speaker 1>training camp practices done and over with, including the first

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<v Speaker 1>one in pads, albeit only shoulder pads. The full pads

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<v Speaker 1>will go on for Tuesday's practice. But the initial impressions

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<v Speaker 1>what everybody's asking asking us about Wes is okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>how's Jordan Love looking? How do things look? So your

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<v Speaker 1>early impressions through five practices of Jordan Love as QB one.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought he's stacked days on Saturday and on Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought Sarah was one of his better practices. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there was some folks out there that were wondering if

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<v Speaker 2>it was his best practice. I'm guessing those folks weren't

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<v Speaker 2>there in twenty twenty one during the mini camp or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever that was on June ninth, where I thought looked

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<v Speaker 2>like we were looking at Joe Montana for a couple

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<v Speaker 2>seconds with some of the throws he made. But the

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<v Speaker 2>fact of the matter is, I think you're seeing a

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<v Speaker 2>young guy grow with confidence in his ability to deliver

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<v Speaker 2>the football. What was interesting about Monday's practice, though, Mike

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm currently in the middle at the time that

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<v Speaker 2>we're taping this, in the middle of our writing our

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<v Speaker 2>five Things story, was some of the can plays and

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<v Speaker 2>some of the audibles that he made the pre snap

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<v Speaker 2>adjustments in that team period against the defense. And one

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<v Speaker 2>of them, one of the biggest plays of camp, actually

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<v Speaker 2>came off of a can play, and that was this

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<v Speaker 2>man beater that they ran to Christian Watson kind of

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<v Speaker 2>sensing they were getting man defense from the Packers unit.

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<v Speaker 2>Christian Watson ended up singled up against in his gains,

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<v Speaker 2>and Innis is a fine player, but with no safety

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<v Speaker 2>help over the top and a guy with four to

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<v Speaker 2>three seven speed, I mean that the rest of the

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<v Speaker 2>equation kind of solves itself. And certainly Jordan Love put

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<v Speaker 2>the ball exactly where it needed to be. I think

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<v Speaker 2>you've seen both Love and Watson really grow in their

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<v Speaker 2>chemistry and late relationship this offseason, and just the way

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<v Speaker 2>in which he's kind of managing the line of scrimmage.

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<v Speaker 2>Another play that I'm kind of isolating was the RPO

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<v Speaker 2>that he ran on that quick inside slant to Watson

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<v Speaker 2>during a period actually before that play, when he was

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<v Speaker 2>matched up against Jerry Alexander and he found something he liked,

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<v Speaker 2>he made the check and then Watson was on the

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<v Speaker 2>same page. It's one thing to throw a ball. It's

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<v Speaker 2>one thing to run the scheme and the play call

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<v Speaker 2>as it's called in. It's another thing to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to start to manipulate and take advantage of what the

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<v Speaker 2>defense has given you. And I felt like Monday particular,

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<v Speaker 2>Love showed a lot of those signs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the first couple of practices, as I mentioned on

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<v Speaker 1>our last show, you always expect the defense to be

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<v Speaker 1>ahead in the early going, and I think that showed

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<v Speaker 1>the offense Jordan Love trying to get their footing a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, and we saw the offense bust out a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit on Saturday. I really even though there was

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<v Speaker 1>maybe only the one like wow play with the sideline

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<v Speaker 1>shot to Samari Turey that was in the two minute

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<v Speaker 1>drill toward the end of practice, fantastic route and throw

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<v Speaker 1>and catch, really big highlight there.

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<v Speaker 3>But what really.

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<v Speaker 1>Stood out about Saturday was just the efficiency the way

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<v Speaker 1>Love was operating the offense. Matt Lafleur even commented on

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<v Speaker 1>just the smoothness of the operation of the two minute drill,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can see that the progress is being made.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't as efficient today then on Monday when the

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<v Speaker 1>shoulder pads went on, But I agree with you that

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<v Speaker 1>what we saw on Monday were those adjustments, the choices,

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<v Speaker 1>the decisions that were being made because hey, and as

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<v Speaker 1>you said, no disrespect to in his games, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a safety. The Packers are trying him out at Nickel

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<v Speaker 1>corner and some of the sub packages defensively, so he's

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<v Speaker 1>trying to learn a new spot, and the Packers' offense

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<v Speaker 1>happened to get in a position where Watson was in

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<v Speaker 1>the slot and in his gains was lined up across

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<v Speaker 1>from him, essentially one on one. Well, yeah, that's almost

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<v Speaker 1>a no brainer. Like Jordan Love and Christian Watson are

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<v Speaker 1>looking at each other and they know exactly what needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be done on that play. They executed it deep

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<v Speaker 1>ball down the field works, and yeah, I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care if it's jy R. Alexander lined up across

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<v Speaker 1>from Watson, if He's on the backside slant of an

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<v Speaker 1>RPO and that's one on one. I like his size

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<v Speaker 1>to win the matchup there. Jordan Love did too, he

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<v Speaker 1>pulled the ball back instead of the handoff on the

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<v Speaker 1>RPO hit Watson on the slant. Those are the types

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<v Speaker 1>of things, Those are the players that move the chains,

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the things that get some momentum going for

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<v Speaker 1>the offense. I think I think we saw that and

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<v Speaker 1>now you know, we'd like to continue to see that

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<v Speaker 1>moving forward, as the Packers will have a couple more

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<v Speaker 1>padded practices this week before then Family Night under the

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<v Speaker 1>Lights on Saturday night at Lamba.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the big key for green Bay right now is

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<v Speaker 2>going into the two minute, because I think when you've

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<v Speaker 2>seen some of the scripted periods, those team periods, things

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<v Speaker 2>have actually gone pretty well for Green Bay and the

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<v Speaker 2>offense as of late, it's been the two minute where

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<v Speaker 2>they kind of had some hiccups. Monday was another one

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<v Speaker 2>of those circumstances, the defense holding the Packers offense at

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<v Speaker 2>Bay in all three units and actually with the ones

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<v Speaker 2>kway Walker was this close from picking off Love across

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<v Speaker 2>the middle on the very first play of the drive

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<v Speaker 2>and Honestly, I'm sure that's when we didn't talk to Quai,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm sure he'd love to have that one back

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<v Speaker 2>because it was right in his mets and you have

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to react to that, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to grow from it. But when you look

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<v Speaker 2>at the plays that Watson has made, that Jaden Reid

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<v Speaker 2>has made these last couple days, as you mentioned Samory's

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<v Speaker 2>catch on Saturday, thirty three yards on third and three

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<v Speaker 2>down the sideline, I don't think Jordan Love could have

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<v Speaker 2>physically thrown a better ball on that play. The big

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<v Speaker 2>play in the explosiveness is there. It's about managing the

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<v Speaker 2>certain situations I think is going to be critical for

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<v Speaker 2>this offense moving forward because it is about protection.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>As much as I mentioned the Kuway Walker play, Love

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<v Speaker 2>actually has done an exemplary job of protecting the football.

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<v Speaker 2>There's really one interception, the Devondre Campbell pick last week

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<v Speaker 2>that I can think of with the first team unit. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>Carrington Valentine picked off Danny Etling during practice on Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>But by and large, Green Bay has done a good

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<v Speaker 2>job of taking care of the football. But it's those

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<v Speaker 2>type of bang bang decisions. That you throw a pick

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<v Speaker 2>on the first play of a two minute series, it

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<v Speaker 2>turns everything on its head.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, Walker should have had that pick, and the

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<v Speaker 1>defense did ultimately still win the drive and has won

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<v Speaker 1>the vast majority of the two minute drills I think,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were standing quite a ways away. I think

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<v Speaker 1>Romeo Dobbs lost his footing on the crossing route there

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<v Speaker 1>on the ball that Walker should have picked off, but

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<v Speaker 1>not getting a super close look at it, not entirely

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<v Speaker 1>sure what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a spin margin though, right though, Mike, Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 3>a sid margin. Yeah, one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you mentioned a guy, and I want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more about him, as well as a

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<v Speaker 1>couple others. The impressions that the rookie are making in

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<v Speaker 1>the early stages of training camp, there are two that

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<v Speaker 1>jump out to me more than anybody else. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>Jaden Reid on the offensive side, and it's Carrington Valentine

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<v Speaker 1>on the defensive side. Read the second round draft pick

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<v Speaker 1>out of Michigan State playing slot receiver, seems to come

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<v Speaker 1>up with a play, a big play in some form

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<v Speaker 1>or fashion, just about every day in practice. The ball

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<v Speaker 1>seems to find this young man when he's out there

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<v Speaker 1>on the field, that is definitely something to watch going forward.

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<v Speaker 1>And Carrington Valentine, the seventh round pick, just twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>years old. I actually looked it up. He's going to

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<v Speaker 1>turn twenty two west the day before the season opener

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<v Speaker 1>in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh good, I want to feel so old.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this young man, we talked about him during OTAs

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<v Speaker 1>where you know he sort of by default had moved

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<v Speaker 1>up the depth chart because Alexander and Douglas were not

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<v Speaker 1>at OTA's Eric Stokes was still doing you know, rehab

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<v Speaker 1>and whatnot. And you know when he was lining up

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<v Speaker 1>across from Dobbs and some of these other guys in OTA,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't backing down. I thought he showed some tenacity.

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<v Speaker 1>He showed some spunk and h and it's carried over

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<v Speaker 1>to the start of training camp and and uh, as

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<v Speaker 1>far as that strong start, it was sort of capped,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, by by a pick six off a

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<v Speaker 1>throw by Danny Yetling in practice on Monday, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and the defense celebrated like crazy, like you would uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you would imagine they were pretty fired up to see

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<v Speaker 1>that rookie seventh round pick from Kentucky make a big play.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the three s's for me, Mike. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>when you look at it, it's speed, size, and swagger.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like Valentine has all three of those. And

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<v Speaker 2>we saw it in the off season program. You and

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<v Speaker 2>I did some of these these unscripteds talking about you know,

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<v Speaker 2>him stepping up and competing, competing against Romeo Dobbs. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't like he's just going up against some undrafted guys

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<v Speaker 2>trying to you know, be bubble guys and going up

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<v Speaker 2>against the top guys on this team, especially when Jayra

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<v Speaker 2>and Rasseul weren't here. So I thought he's made some

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<v Speaker 2>really nice plays. I think Corey Balentine has also competed

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<v Speaker 2>as well. I mean, the Packers are showing the depth

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<v Speaker 2>of that position beyond those top three or four guys,

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<v Speaker 2>and certainly Valentina guy. Again that I think everybody had

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<v Speaker 2>a certain level expectation for coming to Green Bay, just

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<v Speaker 2>given how much praise, you know, mel Kiper had thrown

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<v Speaker 2>at him, a lot of these things. We'd heard about

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<v Speaker 2>his upside relative to you know, just having a pick.

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<v Speaker 2>I think maybe at Kentucky maybe didn't have the jaw

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<v Speaker 2>dropping numbers that people want from elite prospects. But I

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<v Speaker 2>just I've really enjoyed what I've seen from him. And

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<v Speaker 2>if I may just quickly with Jaden Reid, We've talked

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<v Speaker 2>so much about the explosivity of his game mic, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think what has impressed me the most through the

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<v Speaker 2>first week of training camps is his smarts, And you're

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<v Speaker 2>hearing more and more guys talk about this in the

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<v Speaker 2>locker room. His knowledge of the route tree, his knowledge

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<v Speaker 2>of knowing where he needs to be on the field.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of the intangible for a young receiver coming

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<v Speaker 2>in and playing right off the bat. You can have

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<v Speaker 2>all the speed in the world and athleticism in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you don't understand how you fit into the

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<v Speaker 2>construct of the offense, it's going to be along a

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<v Speaker 2>long year for you. And I think the more and

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<v Speaker 2>more we watch Reid and the ways that Green Bay

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<v Speaker 2>could potentially use him, the more excited you get about

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<v Speaker 2>where he could potentially fit in Matt Lefflour's scheme.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's certainly looking like Jayden Reid is going to

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<v Speaker 1>have a big role to play in this offense as

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<v Speaker 1>a rookie. As the slot receivers He's picked things up

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<v Speaker 1>very quickly. I think the smarts, as you just mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>to have a lot to do with that. And there

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<v Speaker 1>was a great one on one rep to Monday in

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<v Speaker 1>practice was the was the first day of the one

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<v Speaker 1>on ones because it was the first day that the

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<v Speaker 1>pads were on. I know you were watching the O

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<v Speaker 1>line and D line. I was watching the pass catchers

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<v Speaker 1>against the dbs, and there was a great one on

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<v Speaker 1>one rep between Reed and Valentine, these two guys that

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about, two rookies from this draft class, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of a steam route down, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>down the hash and Valentine is running right with Reid.

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<v Speaker 1>He's right there and at throw a little bit underthrown,

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<v Speaker 1>but the ball was on him, and you know, Read

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<v Speaker 1>just made the better adjustment in order to in order

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<v Speaker 1>to make the catch. Contested catches, the two guys went

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<v Speaker 1>crashing into the ground. The coverage was right where you

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<v Speaker 1>want it, Valentine said afterward. The only thing you needed

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<v Speaker 1>to do was just get his head turned around, just

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, a tick quicker, a split second quicker,

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<v Speaker 1>and and maybe he comes down with that ball instead

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<v Speaker 1>of Read. But those kinds of competitive reps, man I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't. You can't ask for anything better to to

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<v Speaker 1>to get your rookies acclimated, to see these guys in

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<v Speaker 1>the intensity that it takes to to practice and to

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<v Speaker 1>play at this level, and they were doing it. And

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<v Speaker 1>to me, those are the those are the two rookies

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<v Speaker 1>from this draft class that have that have stood out

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<v Speaker 1>the most so far in terms of what we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>on the practice field.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and if I may, I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to dovetail into this at all, but just looking

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<v Speaker 2>at the one on ones with the pads going on us,

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<v Speaker 2>seeing that both the receivers and the and the dbs,

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<v Speaker 2>the offensive line and defensive line, and a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>I was able to watch with the blitz pick up

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<v Speaker 2>between the linebackers and running backs.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's always the most fun.

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<v Speaker 2>For me as a spectator and then as observer of

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<v Speaker 2>football is watching those drills because one, it's a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more simple. We understand that it's one on one.

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<v Speaker 2>You're seeing two guys clash and one's going to appear

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<v Speaker 2>to be victorious, although they always talk about the different

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<v Speaker 2>things that both of these guys are working on. But two,

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<v Speaker 2>it starts to give you an idea of what these

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<v Speaker 2>offensive linemen and defensive linemen are going to look like

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<v Speaker 2>in pads, and I personally came away very impressed with

0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:36.040
<v Speaker 2>Zach Tom. He took the first two reps at right tackle,

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<v Speaker 2>going up against Lucas Vans, and Vanes tried to spin

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<v Speaker 2>move on him and then tried to bull rush him.

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<v Speaker 2>Tom stood up to both of those techniques techniques kept

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<v Speaker 2>his balance. He mentioned in the locker room afterwards, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he put on fifteen pounds this offseason, wanted to be

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<v Speaker 2>better prepared to anchor.

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<v Speaker 3>At that spot.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's right in the middle of that competition

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<v Speaker 2>with Yoashneiman at right tackle, but also just quickly TJ.

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<v Speaker 2>Slayton probably had the rep of the day being able

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<v Speaker 2>to to kind of get through Josh Myers at the

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<v Speaker 2>center position. DeVante Wyatt had a really nice first rep

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<v Speaker 2>against John Runyon, Jake Hansen being able to block Jonathan

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<v Speaker 2>Ford on back to back plays at center. And probably

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<v Speaker 2>the guy that I think we're going to continue to

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<v Speaker 2>hear a lot about is Caleb Jones. Mike and Caleb

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<v Speaker 2>Jones repped at both right tackle and then also left

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<v Speaker 2>tackle during the one on Ones six foot nine three

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<v Speaker 2>and forty pounds or whatever he's going at after you

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<v Speaker 2>know the weight loss he is about his athletic as

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<v Speaker 2>a guys, you're gonna find at that size. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I said it to you last year, Mike. In some

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<v Speaker 2>ways he almost reminded me like of a basketball player,

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<v Speaker 2>just with his footwork and his ability and his length

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<v Speaker 2>to keep guys away from his body. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 2>get the footwork down on the pad level, that down

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<v Speaker 2>you're in the hunt man. And I think Caleb Jones

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<v Speaker 2>since the day he got to Green Bay has put

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<v Speaker 2>himself in a position to really compete here with this

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<v Speaker 2>really deep offensive line.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's going to be really interesting to watch throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of this training camp and the preseason games

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<v Speaker 1>moving forward, because it sure looks like Caleb Jones is

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<v Speaker 1>on almost the exact same track that Yash Naiman was

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<v Speaker 1>on a few years ago. An undrafted guy, not a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot of fanfare coming out, but the guy that

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as you lay eyes on him, you're like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that looks like an NFL offensive lineman. Right. So there

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<v Speaker 1>are the physical tools that are there from the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>but nobody willing to spend a draft pick and the Packers.

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<v Speaker 1>They like to develop these guys, and josh Naiman's become

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<v Speaker 1>a multi year starter now and he's in a competition

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<v Speaker 1>with now with a draft pick in Zach Tom for

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<v Speaker 1>a starting spot at tackle. But Caleb Jones is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of right where yosh Neimen was a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Packers are going to continue to develop talent

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<v Speaker 1>like that and see what happens. And do I expect

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<v Speaker 1>Caleb Jones to be a starter week one in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three. No, but it's looking like he could be

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<v Speaker 1>one of these, you know, next men up, you know

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<v Speaker 1>if if he needs to be called upon, And that's

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<v Speaker 1>exactly how yosh Niman got started a couple of years back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and in some ways, Mike, he's even ahead of Yash,

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<v Speaker 2>right because when you look at Yash he got that

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<v Speaker 2>whole twenty nineteen season on the practice squad. Caleb was

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<v Speaker 2>there for a month and then the Packers got to

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<v Speaker 2>the end of September and we're like, we got to

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<v Speaker 2>get this guy on the fifty three. He did have

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<v Speaker 2>an illness there that kind of kept him out for

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<v Speaker 2>a time, but he was on the active roster the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the way and certainly. Again, I'll just quickly

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the feet with him. I mean, people, when

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<v Speaker 2>you see Caleb Jones in person, you're gonna be impressed

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<v Speaker 2>by the physical stature. You're gonna be impressed by just

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<v Speaker 2>how he looks and pads, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Watch his feet.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy, for a guy that was not drafted, played

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<v Speaker 2>in Indiana, you know, didn't really have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>hype behind him coming out. I've just I've been so

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<v Speaker 2>impressed by his nimbleness, and I thought, when you look

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<v Speaker 2>at the one on one drills, especially if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>get your pad level down you're six foot nine, you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna end up on your butt really fast.

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<v Speaker 3>And this guy knows his body.

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<v Speaker 2>And much like Yash, I think understanding, Okay, I'm six '

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<v Speaker 2>nine sixt' seven. How can I use that to my

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<v Speaker 2>strength and being able to defeat the opposing defensive linemen

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<v Speaker 2>across from me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, before we get to a couple other topics,

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<v Speaker 1>to update some folks with regard to the depth chart,

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<v Speaker 1>we mentioned the competition going on at right tackle between

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<v Speaker 1>Zach Tom and Yash Niman. Zach Tom definitely taking more

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<v Speaker 1>of the first team reps at right tackle, but it

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<v Speaker 1>comes with a caveat in terms of understanding just where

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<v Speaker 1>things are with the competition because David Baktiari is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of on a part time schedule with regard to practicing.

0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:11.560
<v Speaker 1>He's not practicing full time there. Some days he's missing entirely.

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<v Speaker 1>Other times he's being rotated out. The Packers being very

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<v Speaker 1>careful just knowing what they have in Baktari. He knows

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<v Speaker 1>what he needs to get ready for the season, and

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<v Speaker 1>this far in front of the season opener, he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>need to be out there taking forty or fifty snaps

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<v Speaker 1>in a given practice. So Yash Naimen has been taking

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of first team offensive line reps at left

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<v Speaker 1>tackle when David Bakhtiari is not in there, so not

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<v Speaker 1>quite sure exactly where the competition is at right tackle

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<v Speaker 1>right now, even though we're seeing Zach Tom there a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more often at safety. On the defensive side, Rudy

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<v Speaker 1>Ford definitely has taken the majority of the first team

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<v Speaker 1>reps alongside Darnell Savage. We have seen other guys rotate

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<v Speaker 1>in at different times, but Rudy Ford, at least through

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<v Speaker 1>this first week of training camp, remains the guy. And

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of folks asking about Lucas van Ness, the

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<v Speaker 1>first round pick at outside linebacker. We have seen him

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<v Speaker 1>rotate in here and there across from Preston Smith with

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<v Speaker 1>the number one defense, but I would say the majority

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<v Speaker 1>of the snaps with the number one defense, Justin Hollins

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<v Speaker 1>has been out that edge rusher opposite Preston Smith. Would

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<v Speaker 1>you agree with that analysis.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what they've been doing here is in the two

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<v Speaker 2>minute they've been giving Lucas van As some opportunities to

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<v Speaker 2>get involved there, and if you think about it, makes

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of sense. I mean, especially once we're Shawn

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<v Speaker 2>Gary's back, you can think of how you can play

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<v Speaker 2>with those guys, truit Fly, you can play with those

0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:41.720
<v Speaker 2>guys in those circumstances, things I don't typically have to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with when we're in the studio, Mike, I'm sitting

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<v Speaker 2>here having to play through it now and I'm doing

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<v Speaker 2>the best that I can with it. But go back

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<v Speaker 2>to twenty nineteen, right, That's how Sean Gary got introduced

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<v Speaker 2>to this defense, was being in there in those passing

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<v Speaker 2>down situations. You're right about Justin Hollins. He actually was

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<v Speaker 2>in kind of a pretty even rotation as far as

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<v Speaker 2>who is the starter with Kingsley and Nigbarre through the

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<v Speaker 2>first few practices, but Hollins has a lot of that,

0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, experience and things to fall back on, where

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<v Speaker 2>I think Enigbarre probably ended up playing a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>but above expectations last year as a fifth round pick

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<v Speaker 2>and definitely during the second half of the year when

0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:19.760
<v Speaker 2>they didn't have For Sean Gary, it's a full room

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<v Speaker 2>right now, and I think there, you know, we saw

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<v Speaker 2>that last week with Jonathan Garvin's release. I mean, they

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<v Speaker 2>have some guys that I think they're pretty dedicated to,

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<v Speaker 2>including you know, now Cox coming in as an undrafted

0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:32.080
<v Speaker 2>free agent could potentially factor into that as well. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, also just quickly looking at you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>safety situation. Where that gets so interesting to me is

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<v Speaker 2>rudy Ford is still that number one option, but you

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<v Speaker 2>know he's also still working at flyer on special teams.

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<v Speaker 2>All these guys have that you know, duality to their

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<v Speaker 2>game that they can also factor into special teams. And

0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:53.000
<v Speaker 2>his gains is playing the slot, but he's also a jammer.

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<v Speaker 2>But right, I mean like it's going to be about

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<v Speaker 2>who prevails in both of those avenues in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>who makes this roster. But certainly you still looking who's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the best fit back there for Darnell

0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Savage and to this point, you know it remains Jonathan

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<v Speaker 2>rudy Ford.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you mentioned special teams. One last thing before we go.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen two kicking periods field goal kicking periods in

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<v Speaker 1>practice thus far. Andrews Anders Carlson, the rookie six round

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<v Speaker 1>pick out of Auburn. He went five out of six

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<v Speaker 1>from between forty and forty five yards in the first one,

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<v Speaker 1>then had a rough day on Saturday. He was one

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<v Speaker 1>out of six on actually longer kicks. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>say it was all from you know, mid forty been

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<v Speaker 1>to late forties, forty five and beyond, and a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of those were fifty plus and he was kicking into

0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:41.680
<v Speaker 1>the wind a rough outing. He was only one out

0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:45.200
<v Speaker 1>of six. Then he did finish with making the field

0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:47.560
<v Speaker 1>goal to end a chip shot field goal to end

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<v Speaker 1>the two minute drill for the offense. So two for

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<v Speaker 1>seven all together. And hey, it wasn't it wasn't a

0:20:56.840 --> 0:21:00.399
<v Speaker 1>pretty kicking period on Saturday for Carlson. But but I

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<v Speaker 1>said this an insider inbox, what matters now is not

0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:06.159
<v Speaker 1>the fact that that happened. What matters now is what

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<v Speaker 1>happens next. How does he bounce back from this? How

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<v Speaker 1>does he put that behind him? What does he do

0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:14.639
<v Speaker 1>going forward? As the lights are going to continue to

0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:18.440
<v Speaker 1>get brighter, because not only will you know his next

0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:21.639
<v Speaker 1>kicking period, everybody will be watching because of what happened

0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:24.000
<v Speaker 1>on Saturday, when he you know, got into a little

0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:26.640
<v Speaker 1>bit of a rut. But then you know, family night,

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<v Speaker 1>the lights are going to go on. Then you have

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<v Speaker 1>the preseason games and everything, there's going to be this progression.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a young man. You know, he kicked

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<v Speaker 1>in SEC stadiums in front of ninety one hundred thousand

0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.040
<v Speaker 1>people and whatnot. But still this is the NFL. He's

0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.719
<v Speaker 1>trying to win a job. He's trying to, you know,

0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:44.840
<v Speaker 1>prevent the packers from from needing to bring in any

0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:47.040
<v Speaker 1>other kickers, and a lot of eyes are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be on him here moving forward.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no doubt about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And the beautiful thing about this, especially the time in

0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:54.800
<v Speaker 2>which we're taping this, is by the time this actually runs,

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<v Speaker 2>you might see it out there and Packers Universe Land.

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<v Speaker 2>He might have went six for six because it sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like he will be kicking again on Tuesday before we

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<v Speaker 2>tape this. But it's gonna be the ebbs and pulls

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<v Speaker 2>of camp, and as disappointing as I'm sure that was

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<v Speaker 2>for Anders and everybody you know getting on a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of that skid on Saturday, it's about how you

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<v Speaker 2>do respond to it, and it is about making sure

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<v Speaker 2>that it doesn't compound.

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<v Speaker 3>You want to build, you don't want to take away.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's gonna be the major key for him, pad O'Donnell.

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<v Speaker 2>You know the long snappers, that whole operation is is

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<v Speaker 2>still moving forward and making progress. And the kid has

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<v Speaker 2>an incredible leg. We saw throughout the off season program

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<v Speaker 2>didn't seem like he was striking the ball the same

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<v Speaker 2>way he was in Mondays or Saunurdays Saturdays practice. But

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<v Speaker 2>keep in mind, again the wind was kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he was going right up into it. So

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<v Speaker 2>those are the adjustments you have to make, though, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>we talked about it for years with Mason Crosby, especially

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<v Speaker 2>after the south end zone expansion. It is not easy

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<v Speaker 2>to kick in lambeau Field. It is a real difficult

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<v Speaker 2>puzzle to solve sometimes. And you know, for a guy

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<v Speaker 2>like Carlson, who I thought struck the ball really well

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<v Speaker 2>through the off season program, you eventually there are gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be days when they just don't go in and seeing

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<v Speaker 2>how the young man bounces back from that and what

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<v Speaker 2>he takes away from experiences like that are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be so telling as far as what his future looks

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<v Speaker 2>like and what the rest of the summer outlook is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be for the Packers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, Well, we will be back with another show

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<v Speaker 1>later this week to talk about more observations and usings

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<v Speaker 1>about practice, but for now we'll call it a rap

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<v Speaker 1>on this edition of Packers' Unscripted. Be sure to follow

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<v Speaker 1>all of our coverage of the team of training camp,

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<v Speaker 1>everything going on. We've got a ton of content for

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<v Speaker 1>you on packers dot Com for WES, I am Mike.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for tuning in. Everybody, We will see you

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<v Speaker 1>next time.