1 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague West and Hodkuitz, were coming to 4 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: you from different locations here at lambeau Field and Wes. 5 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: The last show that we did there was only one 6 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: training camp practice in the books. There are now five 7 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: training camp practices done and over with, including the first 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: one in pads, albeit only shoulder pads. The full pads 9 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: will go on for Tuesday's practice. But the initial impressions 10 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: what everybody's asking asking us about Wes is okay, So 11 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: how's Jordan Love looking? How do things look? So your 12 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: early impressions through five practices of Jordan Love as QB one. 13 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: I thought he's stacked days on Saturday and on Monday. 14 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: I thought Sarah was one of his better practices. I mean, 15 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: there was some folks out there that were wondering if 16 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: it was his best practice. I'm guessing those folks weren't 17 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 2: there in twenty twenty one during the mini camp or 18 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 2: whatever that was on June ninth, where I thought looked 19 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 2: like we were looking at Joe Montana for a couple 20 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: seconds with some of the throws he made. But the 21 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: fact of the matter is, I think you're seeing a 22 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: young guy grow with confidence in his ability to deliver 23 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: the football. What was interesting about Monday's practice, though, Mike 24 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: and I'm currently in the middle at the time that 25 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 2: we're taping this, in the middle of our writing our 26 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 2: five Things story, was some of the can plays and 27 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 2: some of the audibles that he made the pre snap 28 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: adjustments in that team period against the defense. And one 29 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: of them, one of the biggest plays of camp, actually 30 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: came off of a can play, and that was this 31 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 2: man beater that they ran to Christian Watson kind of 32 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: sensing they were getting man defense from the Packers unit. 33 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: Christian Watson ended up singled up against in his gains, 34 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: and Innis is a fine player, but with no safety 35 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: help over the top and a guy with four to 36 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: three seven speed, I mean that the rest of the 37 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: equation kind of solves itself. And certainly Jordan Love put 38 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: the ball exactly where it needed to be. I think 39 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: you've seen both Love and Watson really grow in their 40 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 2: chemistry and late relationship this offseason, and just the way 41 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 2: in which he's kind of managing the line of scrimmage. 42 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: Another play that I'm kind of isolating was the RPO 43 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 2: that he ran on that quick inside slant to Watson 44 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: during a period actually before that play, when he was 45 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 2: matched up against Jerry Alexander and he found something he liked, 46 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: he made the check and then Watson was on the 47 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 2: same page. It's one thing to throw a ball. It's 48 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 2: one thing to run the scheme and the play call 49 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: as it's called in. It's another thing to be able 50 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: to start to manipulate and take advantage of what the 51 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: defense has given you. And I felt like Monday particular, 52 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 2: Love showed a lot of those signs. 53 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, the first couple of practices, as I mentioned on 54 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: our last show, you always expect the defense to be 55 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: ahead in the early going, and I think that showed 56 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: the offense Jordan Love trying to get their footing a 57 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: little bit, and we saw the offense bust out a 58 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: little bit on Saturday. I really even though there was 59 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: maybe only the one like wow play with the sideline 60 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: shot to Samari Turey that was in the two minute 61 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: drill toward the end of practice, fantastic route and throw 62 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: and catch, really big highlight there. 63 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 3: But what really. 64 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: Stood out about Saturday was just the efficiency the way 65 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: Love was operating the offense. Matt Lafleur even commented on 66 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: just the smoothness of the operation of the two minute drill, 67 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: so you can see that the progress is being made. 68 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: It wasn't as efficient today then on Monday when the 69 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: shoulder pads went on, But I agree with you that 70 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: what we saw on Monday were those adjustments, the choices, 71 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: the decisions that were being made because hey, and as 72 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: you said, no disrespect to in his games, this is 73 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: a safety. The Packers are trying him out at Nickel 74 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: corner and some of the sub packages defensively, so he's 75 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: trying to learn a new spot, and the Packers' offense 76 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: happened to get in a position where Watson was in 77 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: the slot and in his gains was lined up across 78 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: from him, essentially one on one. Well, yeah, that's almost 79 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: a no brainer. Like Jordan Love and Christian Watson are 80 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: looking at each other and they know exactly what needs 81 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: to be done on that play. They executed it deep 82 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: ball down the field works, and yeah, I don't I 83 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: don't care if it's jy R. Alexander lined up across 84 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: from Watson, if He's on the backside slant of an 85 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 1: RPO and that's one on one. I like his size 86 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: to win the matchup there. Jordan Love did too, he 87 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: pulled the ball back instead of the handoff on the 88 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: RPO hit Watson on the slant. Those are the types 89 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: of things, Those are the players that move the chains, 90 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: Those are the things that get some momentum going for 91 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: the offense. I think I think we saw that and 92 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: now you know, we'd like to continue to see that 93 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: moving forward, as the Packers will have a couple more 94 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: padded practices this week before then Family Night under the 95 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: Lights on Saturday night at Lamba. 96 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 2: Well, the big key for green Bay right now is 97 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 2: going into the two minute, because I think when you've 98 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 2: seen some of the scripted periods, those team periods, things 99 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: have actually gone pretty well for Green Bay and the 100 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: offense as of late, it's been the two minute where 101 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 2: they kind of had some hiccups. Monday was another one 102 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 2: of those circumstances, the defense holding the Packers offense at 103 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 2: Bay in all three units and actually with the ones 104 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 2: kway Walker was this close from picking off Love across 105 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: the middle on the very first play of the drive 106 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 2: and Honestly, I'm sure that's when we didn't talk to Quai, 107 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 2: but I'm sure he'd love to have that one back 108 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: because it was right in his mets and you have 109 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: to be able to react to that, you have to 110 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: be able to grow from it. But when you look 111 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 2: at the plays that Watson has made, that Jaden Reid 112 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 2: has made these last couple days, as you mentioned Samory's 113 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: catch on Saturday, thirty three yards on third and three 114 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: down the sideline, I don't think Jordan Love could have 115 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 2: physically thrown a better ball on that play. The big 116 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 2: play in the explosiveness is there. It's about managing the 117 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 2: certain situations I think is going to be critical for 118 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 2: this offense moving forward because it is about protection. 119 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: And it's funny. 120 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 2: As much as I mentioned the Kuway Walker play, Love 121 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: actually has done an exemplary job of protecting the football. 122 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 2: There's really one interception, the Devondre Campbell pick last week 123 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 2: that I can think of with the first team unit. Obviously, 124 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: Carrington Valentine picked off Danny Etling during practice on Monday. 125 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: But by and large, Green Bay has done a good 126 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 2: job of taking care of the football. But it's those 127 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: type of bang bang decisions. That you throw a pick 128 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 2: on the first play of a two minute series, it 129 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: turns everything on its head. 130 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Walker should have had that pick, and the 131 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: defense did ultimately still win the drive and has won 132 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: the vast majority of the two minute drills I think, 133 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: and we were standing quite a ways away. I think 134 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: Romeo Dobbs lost his footing on the crossing route there 135 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 1: on the ball that Walker should have picked off, but 136 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: not getting a super close look at it, not entirely 137 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: sure what happened. 138 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 3: That's a spin margin though, right though, Mike, Yeah, that's 139 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 3: a sid margin. Yeah, one hundred percent. 140 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned a guy, and I want to talk 141 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: a little bit more about him, as well as a 142 00:06:55,279 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: couple others. The impressions that the rookie are making in 143 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: the early stages of training camp, there are two that 144 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: jump out to me more than anybody else. And it's 145 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: Jaden Reid on the offensive side, and it's Carrington Valentine 146 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: on the defensive side. Read the second round draft pick 147 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: out of Michigan State playing slot receiver, seems to come 148 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: up with a play, a big play in some form 149 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: or fashion, just about every day in practice. The ball 150 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: seems to find this young man when he's out there 151 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: on the field, that is definitely something to watch going forward. 152 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: And Carrington Valentine, the seventh round pick, just twenty one 153 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: years old. I actually looked it up. He's going to 154 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: turn twenty two west the day before the season opener 155 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: in Chicago. 156 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 3: Oh good, I want to feel so old. 157 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, this young man, we talked about him during OTAs 158 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: where you know he sort of by default had moved 159 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: up the depth chart because Alexander and Douglas were not 160 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: at OTA's Eric Stokes was still doing you know, rehab 161 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: and whatnot. And you know when he was lining up 162 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: across from Dobbs and some of these other guys in OTA, 163 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: he wasn't backing down. I thought he showed some tenacity. 164 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: He showed some spunk and h and it's carried over 165 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: to the start of training camp and and uh, as 166 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: far as that strong start, it was sort of capped, 167 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: if you will, by by a pick six off a 168 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: throw by Danny Yetling in practice on Monday, and uh, 169 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: and the defense celebrated like crazy, like you would uh, 170 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: you would imagine they were pretty fired up to see 171 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: that rookie seventh round pick from Kentucky make a big play. 172 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the three s's for me, Mike. I mean, 173 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: when you look at it, it's speed, size, and swagger. 174 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: I feel like Valentine has all three of those. And 175 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: we saw it in the off season program. You and 176 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: I did some of these these unscripteds talking about you know, 177 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 2: him stepping up and competing, competing against Romeo Dobbs. It 178 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: wasn't like he's just going up against some undrafted guys 179 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: trying to you know, be bubble guys and going up 180 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 2: against the top guys on this team, especially when Jayra 181 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 2: and Rasseul weren't here. So I thought he's made some 182 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: really nice plays. I think Corey Balentine has also competed 183 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 2: as well. I mean, the Packers are showing the depth 184 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: of that position beyond those top three or four guys, 185 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: and certainly Valentina guy. Again that I think everybody had 186 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: a certain level expectation for coming to Green Bay, just 187 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: given how much praise, you know, mel Kiper had thrown 188 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 2: at him, a lot of these things. We'd heard about 189 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: his upside relative to you know, just having a pick. 190 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 2: I think maybe at Kentucky maybe didn't have the jaw 191 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: dropping numbers that people want from elite prospects. But I 192 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 2: just I've really enjoyed what I've seen from him. And 193 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 2: if I may just quickly with Jaden Reid, We've talked 194 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 2: so much about the explosivity of his game mic, but 195 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: I think what has impressed me the most through the 196 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 2: first week of training camps is his smarts, And you're 197 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 2: hearing more and more guys talk about this in the 198 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: locker room. His knowledge of the route tree, his knowledge 199 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: of knowing where he needs to be on the field. 200 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: That's kind of the intangible for a young receiver coming 201 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: in and playing right off the bat. You can have 202 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: all the speed in the world and athleticism in the world, 203 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: but if you don't understand how you fit into the 204 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 2: construct of the offense, it's going to be along a 205 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: long year for you. And I think the more and 206 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 2: more we watch Reid and the ways that Green Bay 207 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 2: could potentially use him, the more excited you get about 208 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 2: where he could potentially fit in Matt Lefflour's scheme. 209 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's certainly looking like Jayden Reid is going to 210 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: have a big role to play in this offense as 211 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: a rookie. As the slot receivers He's picked things up 212 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: very quickly. I think the smarts, as you just mentioned, 213 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: to have a lot to do with that. And there 214 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: was a great one on one rep to Monday in 215 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: practice was the was the first day of the one 216 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: on ones because it was the first day that the 217 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: pads were on. I know you were watching the O 218 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: line and D line. I was watching the pass catchers 219 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: against the dbs, and there was a great one on 220 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: one rep between Reed and Valentine, these two guys that 221 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: we're talking about, two rookies from this draft class, and 222 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: you know, kind of a steam route down, you know, 223 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: down the hash and Valentine is running right with Reid. 224 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: He's right there and at throw a little bit underthrown, 225 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: but the ball was on him, and you know, Read 226 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: just made the better adjustment in order to in order 227 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: to make the catch. Contested catches, the two guys went 228 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: crashing into the ground. The coverage was right where you 229 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: want it, Valentine said afterward. The only thing you needed 230 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: to do was just get his head turned around, just 231 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: a you know, a tick quicker, a split second quicker, 232 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: and and maybe he comes down with that ball instead 233 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: of Read. But those kinds of competitive reps, man I mean, 234 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:33,239 Speaker 1: you can't. You can't ask for anything better to to 235 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: to get your rookies acclimated, to see these guys in 236 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: the intensity that it takes to to practice and to 237 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: play at this level, and they were doing it. And 238 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: to me, those are the those are the two rookies 239 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: from this draft class that have that have stood out 240 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: the most so far in terms of what we've seen 241 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: on the practice field. 242 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and if I may, I don't know if you 243 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: want to dovetail into this at all, but just looking 244 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 2: at the one on ones with the pads going on us, 245 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 2: seeing that both the receivers and the and the dbs, 246 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: the offensive line and defensive line, and a little bit 247 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 2: I was able to watch with the blitz pick up 248 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 2: between the linebackers and running backs. 249 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 3: But it's always the most fun. 250 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 2: For me as a spectator and then as observer of 251 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 2: football is watching those drills because one, it's a little 252 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 2: bit more simple. We understand that it's one on one. 253 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 2: You're seeing two guys clash and one's going to appear 254 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 2: to be victorious, although they always talk about the different 255 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 2: things that both of these guys are working on. But two, 256 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 2: it starts to give you an idea of what these 257 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 2: offensive linemen and defensive linemen are going to look like 258 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: in pads, and I personally came away very impressed with 259 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: Zach Tom. He took the first two reps at right tackle, 260 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 2: going up against Lucas Vans, and Vanes tried to spin 261 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 2: move on him and then tried to bull rush him. 262 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 2: Tom stood up to both of those techniques techniques kept 263 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: his balance. He mentioned in the locker room afterwards, you know, 264 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 2: he put on fifteen pounds this offseason, wanted to be 265 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: better prepared to anchor. 266 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 3: At that spot. 267 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 2: I think he's right in the middle of that competition 268 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 2: with Yoashneiman at right tackle, but also just quickly TJ. 269 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: Slayton probably had the rep of the day being able 270 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 2: to to kind of get through Josh Myers at the 271 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: center position. DeVante Wyatt had a really nice first rep 272 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 2: against John Runyon, Jake Hansen being able to block Jonathan 273 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 2: Ford on back to back plays at center. And probably 274 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 2: the guy that I think we're going to continue to 275 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: hear a lot about is Caleb Jones. Mike and Caleb 276 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 2: Jones repped at both right tackle and then also left 277 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 2: tackle during the one on Ones six foot nine three 278 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: and forty pounds or whatever he's going at after you 279 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: know the weight loss he is about his athletic as 280 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 2: a guys, you're gonna find at that size. I mean, 281 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: I said it to you last year, Mike. In some 282 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 2: ways he almost reminded me like of a basketball player, 283 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: just with his footwork and his ability and his length 284 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 2: to keep guys away from his body. I mean, you 285 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: get the footwork down on the pad level, that down 286 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: you're in the hunt man. And I think Caleb Jones 287 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: since the day he got to Green Bay has put 288 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: himself in a position to really compete here with this 289 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 2: really deep offensive line. 290 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be really interesting to watch throughout 291 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: the rest of this training camp and the preseason games 292 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: moving forward, because it sure looks like Caleb Jones is 293 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: on almost the exact same track that Yash Naiman was 294 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: on a few years ago. An undrafted guy, not a 295 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: whole lot of fanfare coming out, but the guy that 296 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: as soon as you lay eyes on him, you're like, oh, yeah, 297 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: that looks like an NFL offensive lineman. Right. So there 298 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: are the physical tools that are there from the beginning, 299 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: but nobody willing to spend a draft pick and the Packers. 300 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: They like to develop these guys, and josh Naiman's become 301 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: a multi year starter now and he's in a competition 302 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: with now with a draft pick in Zach Tom for 303 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: a starting spot at tackle. But Caleb Jones is kind 304 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: of right where yosh Neimen was a couple of years ago, 305 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: and the Packers are going to continue to develop talent 306 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: like that and see what happens. And do I expect 307 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: Caleb Jones to be a starter week one in twenty 308 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: twenty three. No, but it's looking like he could be 309 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: one of these, you know, next men up, you know 310 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: if if he needs to be called upon, And that's 311 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: exactly how yosh Niman got started a couple of years back. 312 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and in some ways, Mike, he's even ahead of Yash, 313 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: right because when you look at Yash he got that 314 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: whole twenty nineteen season on the practice squad. Caleb was 315 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 2: there for a month and then the Packers got to 316 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 2: the end of September and we're like, we got to 317 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: get this guy on the fifty three. He did have 318 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 2: an illness there that kind of kept him out for 319 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: a time, but he was on the active roster the 320 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 2: rest of the way and certainly. Again, I'll just quickly 321 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: talk about the feet with him. I mean, people, when 322 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 2: you see Caleb Jones in person, you're gonna be impressed 323 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 2: by the physical stature. You're gonna be impressed by just 324 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: how he looks and pads, but. 325 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 3: Watch his feet. 326 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: The guy, for a guy that was not drafted, played 327 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 2: in Indiana, you know, didn't really have a lot of 328 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 2: hype behind him coming out. I've just I've been so 329 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: impressed by his nimbleness, and I thought, when you look 330 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 2: at the one on one drills, especially if you don't 331 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: get your pad level down you're six foot nine, you're 332 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 2: gonna end up on your butt really fast. 333 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 3: And this guy knows his body. 334 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 2: And much like Yash, I think understanding, Okay, I'm six ' 335 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 2: nine sixt' seven. How can I use that to my 336 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: strength and being able to defeat the opposing defensive linemen 337 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: across from me. 338 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 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Well, 347 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: to update some folks with regard to the depth chart, 348 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: we mentioned the competition going on at right tackle between 349 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: Zach Tom and Yash Niman. Zach Tom definitely taking more 350 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: of the first team reps at right tackle, but it 351 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: comes with a caveat in terms of understanding just where 352 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: things are with the competition because David Baktiari is kind 353 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: of on a part time schedule with regard to practicing. 354 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: He's not practicing full time there. Some days he's missing entirely. 355 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 1: Other times he's being rotated out. The Packers being very 356 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: careful just knowing what they have in Baktari. He knows 357 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: what he needs to get ready for the season, and 358 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: this far in front of the season opener, he doesn't 359 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: need to be out there taking forty or fifty snaps 360 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: in a given practice. So Yash Naimen has been taking 361 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: a lot of first team offensive line reps at left 362 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: tackle when David Bakhtiari is not in there, so not 363 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: quite sure exactly where the competition is at right tackle 364 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: right now, even though we're seeing Zach Tom there a 365 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: lot more often at safety. On the defensive side, Rudy 366 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: Ford definitely has taken the majority of the first team 367 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: reps alongside Darnell Savage. We have seen other guys rotate 368 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: in at different times, but Rudy Ford, at least through 369 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: this first week of training camp, remains the guy. And 370 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: a lot of folks asking about Lucas van Ness, the 371 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: first round pick at outside linebacker. We have seen him 372 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: rotate in here and there across from Preston Smith with 373 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: the number one defense, but I would say the majority 374 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: of the snaps with the number one defense, Justin Hollins 375 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: has been out that edge rusher opposite Preston Smith. Would 376 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: you agree with that analysis. 377 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, what they've been doing here is in the two 378 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 2: minute they've been giving Lucas van As some opportunities to 379 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 2: get involved there, and if you think about it, makes 380 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 2: a lot of sense. I mean, especially once we're Shawn 381 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 2: Gary's back, you can think of how you can play 382 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: with those guys, truit Fly, you can play with those 383 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 2: guys in those circumstances, things I don't typically have to 384 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 2: deal with when we're in the studio, Mike, I'm sitting 385 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 2: here having to play through it now and I'm doing 386 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 2: the best that I can with it. But go back 387 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 2: to twenty nineteen, right, That's how Sean Gary got introduced 388 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 2: to this defense, was being in there in those passing 389 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 2: down situations. You're right about Justin Hollins. He actually was 390 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: in kind of a pretty even rotation as far as 391 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 2: who is the starter with Kingsley and Nigbarre through the 392 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 2: first few practices, but Hollins has a lot of that, 393 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 2: you know, experience and things to fall back on, where 394 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 2: I think Enigbarre probably ended up playing a little bit 395 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 2: but above expectations last year as a fifth round pick 396 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 2: and definitely during the second half of the year when 397 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 2: they didn't have For Sean Gary, it's a full room 398 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 2: right now, and I think there, you know, we saw 399 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 2: that last week with Jonathan Garvin's release. I mean, they 400 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 2: have some guys that I think they're pretty dedicated to, 401 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 2: including you know, now Cox coming in as an undrafted 402 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 2: free agent could potentially factor into that as well. And 403 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: you know, also just quickly looking at you know, the 404 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 2: safety situation. Where that gets so interesting to me is 405 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: rudy Ford is still that number one option, but you 406 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 2: know he's also still working at flyer on special teams. 407 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 2: All these guys have that you know, duality to their 408 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 2: game that they can also factor into special teams. And 409 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 2: his gains is playing the slot, but he's also a jammer. 410 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 2: But right, I mean like it's going to be about 411 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 2: who prevails in both of those avenues in terms of 412 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 2: who makes this roster. But certainly you still looking who's 413 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 2: going to be the best fit back there for Darnell 414 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 2: Savage and to this point, you know it remains Jonathan 415 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 2: rudy Ford. 416 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned special teams. One last thing before we go. 417 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: We've seen two kicking periods field goal kicking periods in 418 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: practice thus far. Andrews Anders Carlson, the rookie six round 419 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: pick out of Auburn. He went five out of six 420 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: from between forty and forty five yards in the first one, 421 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: then had a rough day on Saturday. He was one 422 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: out of six on actually longer kicks. I want to 423 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: say it was all from you know, mid forty been 424 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: to late forties, forty five and beyond, and a couple 425 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 1: of those were fifty plus and he was kicking into 426 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: the wind a rough outing. He was only one out 427 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: of six. Then he did finish with making the field 428 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: goal to end a chip shot field goal to end 429 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: the two minute drill for the offense. So two for 430 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: seven all together. And hey, it wasn't it wasn't a 431 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: pretty kicking period on Saturday for Carlson. But but I 432 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 1: said this an insider inbox, what matters now is not 433 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: the fact that that happened. What matters now is what 434 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: happens next. How does he bounce back from this? How 435 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: does he put that behind him? What does he do 436 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: going forward? As the lights are going to continue to 437 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: get brighter, because not only will you know his next 438 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: kicking period, everybody will be watching because of what happened 439 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: on Saturday, when he you know, got into a little 440 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: bit of a rut. But then you know, family night, 441 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: the lights are going to go on. Then you have 442 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: the preseason games and everything, there's going to be this progression. 443 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: And this is a young man. You know, he kicked 444 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: in SEC stadiums in front of ninety one hundred thousand 445 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: people and whatnot. But still this is the NFL. He's 446 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,719 Speaker 1: trying to win a job. He's trying to, you know, 447 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: prevent the packers from from needing to bring in any 448 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: other kickers, and a lot of eyes are going to 449 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: be on him here moving forward. 450 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt about it. 451 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 2: And the beautiful thing about this, especially the time in 452 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 2: which we're taping this, is by the time this actually runs, 453 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 2: you might see it out there and Packers Universe Land. 454 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 2: He might have went six for six because it sounds 455 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 2: like he will be kicking again on Tuesday before we 456 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 2: tape this. But it's gonna be the ebbs and pulls 457 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 2: of camp, and as disappointing as I'm sure that was 458 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 2: for Anders and everybody you know getting on a little 459 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 2: bit of that skid on Saturday, it's about how you 460 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 2: do respond to it, and it is about making sure 461 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 2: that it doesn't compound. 462 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 3: You want to build, you don't want to take away. 463 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 2: So that's gonna be the major key for him, pad O'Donnell. 464 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 2: You know the long snappers, that whole operation is is 465 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 2: still moving forward and making progress. And the kid has 466 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: an incredible leg. We saw throughout the off season program 467 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 2: didn't seem like he was striking the ball the same 468 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: way he was in Mondays or Saunurdays Saturdays practice. But 469 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 2: keep in mind, again the wind was kind of a 470 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 2: you know, he was going right up into it. So 471 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 2: those are the adjustments you have to make, though, Mike, 472 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: we talked about it for years with Mason Crosby, especially 473 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 2: after the south end zone expansion. It is not easy 474 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 2: to kick in lambeau Field. It is a real difficult 475 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: puzzle to solve sometimes. And you know, for a guy 476 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 2: like Carlson, who I thought struck the ball really well 477 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 2: through the off season program, you eventually there are gonna 478 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 2: be days when they just don't go in and seeing 479 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,239 Speaker 2: how the young man bounces back from that and what 480 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 2: he takes away from experiences like that are going to 481 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 2: be so telling as far as what his future looks 482 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 2: like and what the rest of the summer outlook is 483 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 2: going to be for the Packers. 484 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Well, we will be back with another show 485 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 1: later this week to talk about more observations and usings 486 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: about practice, but for now we'll call it a rap 487 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 1: on this edition of Packers' Unscripted. Be sure to follow 488 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: all of our coverage of the team of training camp, 489 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: everything going on. We've got a ton of content for 490 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: you on packers dot Com for WES, I am Mike. 491 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in. Everybody, We will see you 492 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: next time.