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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George

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Speaker 1: nor with you along with Chris Alexander as we're talking

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Speaker 1: about horror films and Chris, right before the break, we

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Speaker 1: were talking about what got you into this. I'll let

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Speaker 1: you finish that part of the story up before we

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Speaker 1: move ahead with more questions for you. Yeah, Georgie, I

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Speaker 1: mean I can trail. I need an editor, George. The

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Speaker 1: editor needs an editor because I keep going. I can

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Speaker 1: talk at it for nightem about the stuff. But you

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Speaker 1: love this stuff. I do. So was the wax Museum first,

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Speaker 1: and I was terrified that I was trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out why I was terrified. You know, I became obsessed,

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Speaker 1: don't intellectually gravitating towards this before I even understood what

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Speaker 1: that meant. But the first movie that really did me

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Speaker 1: in it was in nineteen seventy eighth Invasion of the

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Speaker 1: Body Snatchers, the remake of the Don Sego movie by

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Speaker 1: director Philip Coffin. Sorry, Donald Sutherland, will enter nimoy any

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Speaker 1: very young Jeff Golblum. I remember turning on the television.

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Speaker 1: I was told by my parents I was not allowed

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Speaker 1: to watch it. I was probably about five six and

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Speaker 1: it just in time to see Donald Sutherland caving in

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Speaker 1: his clones head with a gardenhoe and all that blood

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Speaker 1: and puss coming out of that, and on the soundtrack

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Speaker 1: there was a fetal monitor. I remember. It was just

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Speaker 1: like getting hit upside the head with something and that

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Speaker 1: It was all about Sangoria Magazine's horror comic books, the

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Speaker 1: rock band Kiss, whatever weird stuff I could get my

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Speaker 1: hands on. That was my alliance. When were the very

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Speaker 1: first horror films created? You know, here's something really interesting

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Speaker 1: because the very first film period, or that at least

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Speaker 1: the prototype for a film, it's kind of based around horror.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't a horror film, but it was. It was

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Speaker 1: kind of based. So cinema was invented on horror in

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Speaker 1: many respects. There was a guy named Leland Stanford. He

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Speaker 1: was the former governor of California, and on a gentleman's bed,

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Speaker 1: and of course there was no way to use photod

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Speaker 1: So he hired a guy named Edward Moybridge out of England.

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Speaker 1: He managed to get him over to California to set

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Speaker 1: up an experiment. And the experiment was setting up twelve

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Speaker 1: cameras along the track and when the horse ran, it

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Speaker 1: would trip a wire, so the cameras would in succession

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Speaker 1: end of it you were left with twelve photographs that

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Speaker 1: when you put them on a board and you followed

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Speaker 1: them from point eight to the end, it gave you

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Speaker 1: the illusion of motion. Moybridge put these images on silhouettes

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Speaker 1: on glass slides and projected them on a little magic lantern,

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Speaker 1: and that was really the first prototype motion picture. But

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Speaker 1: the interesting thing is as Moybridge was actually had actually

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Speaker 1: just murdered his wife's lover, blew his head off and arrested,

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Speaker 1: fly to California and do this experiment. So movies were

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Speaker 1: invented on murder itself, the real horr. Yeah, I know

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Speaker 1: it's a crazy story, but it's true. Now, the first

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Speaker 1: real horror horror movie. It was actually by the French

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Speaker 1: filmmakers Rise Meliate and I believe the eighteen ninety eight

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Speaker 1: was called Heuse of the Devil. There's nothing scary about

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Speaker 1: it at all, but it was the first was sponified

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Speaker 1: mean it's hard to retroactively go throughout history and think

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Speaker 1: we're at this beautiful stage now and with all pop culture,

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Speaker 1: you watch The Bride of Frankenstein, for instance, you can't

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Speaker 1: imagine a better film than the Bride of Frankenstein. However,

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Speaker 1: over for us because it's too real. But that makes

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Speaker 1: for me that movies like Nicholas Rogues don't look now,

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Speaker 1: It's not high on action, but it's high on atmosphere,

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Speaker 1: in psychological subtext, and it still terrifies me to the stage.

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Speaker 1: scary motion picture. David Kronibert, My Countryman, came roaring out

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Speaker 1: I've tried George to listen my top ten scariest favorite

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Speaker 1: different reasons. Actor Bruce Campbell seems to be in a

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Speaker 1: Do you know? Well, Bruce, I know Bruce. Bruce is

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Speaker 1: God bless him for that. But we talk about scary movies,

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Speaker 1: about ingenuity and imagination. An Evil Dead is simply the premise.

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Speaker 1: If you've never seen it, well then there's something wrong

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Speaker 1: And Price was already, you know, very established character year

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Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. But that was successful enough that Price became

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Speaker 1: a very strange cautionary tale. That's amazing. The Twilight Zone

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Speaker 1: I don't have many tattoos, George, I'm not a tattoos guy.

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