Speaker 1: Hey, listener, I just wanted to give you a heads
Speaker 1: up that this episode includes discussions of assault and sexual assault,
Speaker 1: though we don't go into any specific details.
Speaker 2: But there are.
Speaker 1: Nice things in it too, like a group of strangers
Speaker 1: who came together to reclaim their stories. If this episode
Speaker 1: is too triggering for you, though, just skip it. There
Speaker 1: are plenty more episodes for you to dive into on
Speaker 1: the feed look After Yourselves.
Speaker 3: I remember laying in my bed and staring out the
Speaker 3: window and I was watching a man wash the windows
Speaker 3: of a high rise across the street.
Speaker 1: It's April twenty twenty one and morel Andrews, who's a
Speaker 1: civil servant in Ottawa, Canada, has just hit an all
Speaker 1: time low, and so she's doing that thing that movie
Speaker 1: characters do where they lay back and watch the world
Speaker 1: just move on without them.
Speaker 3: And I remember laying in bed feeling miserable and like
Speaker 3: trapped and so desperately.
Speaker 1: Sad Morrel is a survivor of assault, and it took
Speaker 1: her a really long time, like years, to get the
Speaker 1: language and understanding that what happened to her was wrong
Speaker 1: and that it's criminal. But after her attacker was convicted
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. She wanted to share her story,
Speaker 1: but there was a problem.
Speaker 3: I found that there was a publication ban and restriction
Speaker 3: on my ability to speak, and that I could also
Speaker 3: be prosecuted for just attributing my own experience, essentially gagged
Speaker 3: against my own will.
Speaker 1: She the victim, was not able to talk about her story,
Speaker 1: not to the press, not on Twitter. She couldn't even
Speaker 1: text her friends about it. She couldn't even email her therapist.
Speaker 1: If she spoke about it, she could, according to Canadian law,
Speaker 1: face a criminal conviction and a fine, which is how
Speaker 1: Morel finds herself here alone in her experience, staring out
Speaker 1: the window.
Speaker 3: But even in that moment, I told myself, remember what
Speaker 3: this feels like, because one day you will be able
Speaker 3: to do something with this feeling.
Speaker 1: Oh she does something about it, all right. I'm Annison
Speaker 1: Field and from the teams at Novel and iHeart Podcasts,
Speaker 1: this is the Girlfriend's Spotlight, where we tell stories of
Speaker 1: women women today.
Speaker 2: Morel breaks the band.
Speaker 4: You.
Speaker 1: When Morel Andrews was eighteen, she was assaulted by her
Speaker 1: driving instructor. Seven years later, in twenty twenty, the case
Speaker 1: finally went to court and her attacker pleaded guilty At
Speaker 1: that point, Morrell thought the case was over, wrapped up
Speaker 1: and behind her, but it was actually just the beginning.
Speaker 3: It turns out that the Crown attorney showed up and
Speaker 3: asked the judge to put a publication ban on my identity,
Speaker 3: essentially meaning that I, Marale Andrews, should never be allowed
Speaker 3: to speak of what happened or the criminal case for
Speaker 3: which he plaed guilty, and I should be permanently silenced,
Speaker 3: and even once I die, no one should ever be
Speaker 3: allowed to say in the same sentence, Marale Andrews was
Speaker 3: assaulted by Ziya Shaw when she was his student in
Speaker 3: driving school.
Speaker 1: Okay, So there's this law in Canada. It's part of
Speaker 1: the Canadian Criminal Code, and it's called a publication ban.
Speaker 1: You'll also find versions of it in Australia and other places.
Speaker 1: But what it says is that a victim of a
Speaker 1: sexual offense is granted anonymity, that no one is allowed
Speaker 1: to publicly name the victim in the media or any
Speaker 1: other place. And that makes sense, right, It seems like
Speaker 1: a good thing. But here's the kicker. The ban applies
Speaker 1: to everyone, including the victim themselves, which makes it illegal
Speaker 1: for them to publicly share their own names or stories,
Speaker 1: even if they wanted to. In twenty twenty one, a
Speaker 1: woman in Ontario was actually convicted of breaching her own
Speaker 1: publication ban. She had emailed a transcript of a court
Speaker 1: ruling to her family and friends, and for that she
Speaker 1: was ordered to pay a two thousand dollar fine. This
Speaker 1: fine wasn't for exposing someone else's identity, but for speaking
Speaker 1: about her own experience.
Speaker 2: I had no idea.
Speaker 1: About this law before I spoke to Morrel, and nor
Speaker 1: did she until she came across it.
Speaker 2: In her own case.
Speaker 4: It's not a mandatory ban.
Speaker 3: It's just a standard procedure that crown attorneys would go through.
Speaker 3: On the first appearance in court, they would ask for
Speaker 3: the publication ban as a standard practice to protect the
Speaker 3: identity of the victim. It originally came to be Canadian
Speaker 3: Criminal Code section four eight six point four back in
Speaker 3: the eighties, and at that time, you know, society, culture
Speaker 3: was different. Parliament's original intention was to provide a protection
Speaker 3: for women, for victims who were having to face the
Speaker 3: reality that if they went and reported their crimes and
Speaker 3: those crimes ended up in a trial, that that's public
Speaker 3: information and that their identities could be public in the news,
Speaker 3: and I think we have a better appreciation today that
Speaker 3: people should have the ability to choose how they deal
Speaker 3: with their cases, how they pursue healing, and for some people,
Speaker 3: healing might be a little more public and have a name.
Speaker 4: Attached to it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So it's one of those kind of accidental laws
Speaker 1: that ends up actually holding victims back.
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 3: So, if you want like a technical summary of what
Speaker 3: the law intended, it was to say that anyone is
Speaker 3: prevented from publishing, broadcasting transmitting any information that could identify
Speaker 3: the victim in the case. And it was permanent forever.
Speaker 3: Even when a victim dies, that publication ban still remained
Speaker 3: in place.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine how frustrating it must have
Speaker 1: been to have a policy that's meant to protect you,
Speaker 1: but it sounds like in this case is really being
Speaker 1: used to protect the offender.
Speaker 4: That's what it felt like.
Speaker 3: I felt like the only person being protected was the offender,
Speaker 3: Ziah Shah and his driving school, and that I was
Speaker 3: actively being harmed by this provision of the law that
Speaker 3: was exactly, like you say, intended to protect me.
Speaker 1: The irony of this law was showing its face something
Speaker 1: that was meant to protect victims and encourage reporting of
Speaker 1: crimes was being twisted to silent survivors.
Speaker 3: It was just never something that I wanted. I didn't
Speaker 3: feel ashamed, you know. I had a commentary that I
Speaker 3: felt was important about what it is like to go
Speaker 3: through the legal.
Speaker 4: System as a victim.
Speaker 3: Once I was told by the court that I was
Speaker 3: not allowed to speak about my experience and just being
Speaker 3: a young woman, and you know, reporting harm, the story
Speaker 3: kind of crew legs of its own, and I felt
Speaker 3: compelled to tell people about what happened, and it felt
Speaker 3: important to just have my immediate friends and family witness.
Speaker 3: But once I encountered the issue of the publication ban,
Speaker 3: that's when I knew it was bigger than me, and
Speaker 3: that there was something more that I wanted to talk about.
Speaker 1: Morrel felt she had to try and get this band lifted,
Speaker 1: but it was mid pandemic, when it was difficult to
Speaker 1: access any legal support clinics or legal help organizations in person.
Speaker 2: She came across dead end after dead end.
Speaker 4: I was really alone.
Speaker 3: It's a very lonely journey, so there were really no resources.
Speaker 4: I went online.
Speaker 3: I tried to find any article or guide or resource
Speaker 3: about this, and I remember laying in my bed and
Speaker 3: staring out the window, and I was watching a man
Speaker 3: wash the windows of a high rise across the street.
Speaker 3: And I remember laying in bed feeling miserable and like
Speaker 3: trapped and so desperately sad. But even in that moment,
Speaker 3: I told myself, remember what this feels like, because one
Speaker 3: day you will be able to do something with this feeling.
Speaker 1: She asked the judge in her case, but was told
Speaker 1: the case was closed. She even started combing through the
Speaker 1: Criminal Code of Canada herself, trying to find any information
Speaker 1: on how to challenge the ban, but to no avail alone.
Speaker 3: Again, naturally, it was pretty clear that no one wanted
Speaker 3: to help me, that my case was over, and I
Speaker 3: just was not a priority because people were busy. So
Speaker 3: the last avenue that I felt was available to me
Speaker 3: was the media. So one day I decided to email
Speaker 3: a journalist the Toronto Star, and she agreed to tell
Speaker 3: my story and I had to be anonymous.
Speaker 4: I couldn't be named.
Speaker 3: Or photographed for the piece. But The Toronto Star published
Speaker 3: an article about my struggle and how silly it was
Speaker 3: that I was being essentially gagged against my own will.
Speaker 1: Once the article hit the front pages of the Toronto Star,
Speaker 1: it was impossible to ignore. The Crown attorneys who read
Speaker 1: it immediately recognized Morrel's anger, even though her name wasn't mentioned.
Speaker 2: They arranged for a judge to have a look at.
Speaker 1: Her ban, and as a courtesy, they let the offenders
Speaker 1: attorney know too.
Speaker 3: He wrote back and said that he actually opposed the
Speaker 3: application and his client felt that I should not be
Speaker 3: allowed to have my publication ban removed, so that required
Speaker 3: us to go back to court and I essentially had
Speaker 3: to beg a judge to remove my publication ban. Ultimately,
Speaker 3: she agreed that I should be allowed to publicly speak
Speaker 3: about what happened to me, and my publication ban was
Speaker 3: removed in May twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: I mean that was a long battle to get to
Speaker 1: that point. How did you feel when the ban was
Speaker 1: lifted for the first time.
Speaker 3: I bought a bottle of Moway champagne and me and
Speaker 3: my roommate, my best friend, we popped the champagne. We
Speaker 3: celebrated because it felt like a long journey, but it
Speaker 3: was a celebration.
Speaker 4: It was a victory because I felt like.
Speaker 3: I had won and the system had acquiesced essentially to
Speaker 3: my demand and refusal to be silenced.
Speaker 1: Now this is where the quiet win, the lifting of
Speaker 1: the publication ban and the popping of the champagne bottle
Speaker 1: starts to build into something. Louder Morell logs onto Twitter
Speaker 1: and just lets it rip. She shared everything, the shot
Speaker 1: of discovering the publication ban, the confusion over what it
Speaker 1: even meant, and ultimately the victory when the ban was lifted.
Speaker 1: Listener Morel's got the mic now and she's killing it.
Speaker 3: Immediately people were retweeting it and liking it, and I
Speaker 3: had so many replies to the thread. People who I knew,
Speaker 3: people who were strangers, reached out in my direct messages
Speaker 3: and said, wait, I have a publication ban too, How
Speaker 3: did you remove yours?
Speaker 4: Can I talk to you?
Speaker 3: Like There were hundreds, hundreds of messages and it felt
Speaker 3: like again reaffirmation that this was bigger than me.
Speaker 4: It was extreme, powerful and very very moving to read.
Speaker 3: Every single message. The day that I had my publication
Speaker 3: ban removed, the Toronto Star wrote a follow up story.
Speaker 3: I could finally be named, my photograph could appear on
Speaker 3: the front page of the newspaper, and one of the
Speaker 3: things they.
Speaker 4: Asked me, was what comes next?
Speaker 3: And right away I knew that the answer was, this
Speaker 3: section of the Criminal Code needs to be changed, and
Speaker 3: I'm going to do something about it.
Speaker 2: After the break Morell does something about it.
Speaker 4: I've gotcha, I've got you, I've got you. Sack.
Speaker 1: Taking on the entire Criminal Code by yourself is no
Speaker 1: small feet. And Morrell had already been through a lot
Speaker 1: with her own case. The emotional told the chaos she
Speaker 1: was completely burnt out, understandably, so she decided to take
Speaker 1: a year out. She moved to Vancouver, on the west
Speaker 1: coast of Canada and stayed in cozy log cabins with
Speaker 1: her friends in those beautiful British Columbia forests. She hiked
Speaker 1: the mountains and enjoyed her favorite comfort food of edamrmoe
Speaker 1: beans at sushi restaurants.
Speaker 3: And then one day I woke up and I said,
Speaker 3: all right, I feel ready, And so I sat down
Speaker 3: and I wrote a long email to every single parliamentarian
Speaker 3: in Canada.
Speaker 4: We have three hundred and thirty eight members of Parliament
Speaker 4: right now, and.
Speaker 3: I explained to them what had happened to me, how
Speaker 3: the law needed to change, and I gave them recommendations
Speaker 3: of what they should do, and I waited. I wasn't
Speaker 3: sure if anyone would respond, and then I got an
Speaker 3: email from one Conservative member of Parliament named Karen Vecchio,
Speaker 3: and she said, Hi, would you come and testify and
Speaker 3: talk about all your experiences having a publication ban and
Speaker 3: trying to have it removed?
Speaker 4: And I said yes.
Speaker 2: This wasn't just Morrel's fight.
Speaker 1: There were so many women all across Canada who'd come
Speaker 1: head to head with publication bands of their own.
Speaker 3: And I reached out to all the women who had
Speaker 3: messaged me on Twitter and I said, listen, do you
Speaker 3: want to work together?
Speaker 4: I think we can change the law.
Speaker 3: And these amazing women from all across Canada said yes,
Speaker 3: from Nova Scotia to Ontario to British Columbia. Like many
Speaker 3: of them responded and just said let me know what
Speaker 3: you need, let's frickin do it. And that was how
Speaker 3: the journey to actually change the law started. And I
Speaker 3: get really emotional because these women I hold in such
Speaker 3: high regard, and the fact that they would respond to
Speaker 3: this crazy request for help from a stranger who they
Speaker 3: never met and who maybe they had only contacted once
Speaker 3: or twice online, but that they were willing to do
Speaker 3: what was possible to change the law and stop other
Speaker 3: people from going through the same pain that they had
Speaker 3: been through.
Speaker 4: It just it makes me emotional and I will be.
Speaker 3: Grateful for them forever because it meant that I didn't
Speaker 3: have to do it alone and that lonely journey that
Speaker 3: I talked about when you have a publication ban, when
Speaker 3: you're navigating the legal system.
Speaker 4: This wasn't going to be that. It was going to
Speaker 4: be a bunch of us working together.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I mean, we know on this show, perhaps
Speaker 1: more than any the power of when a woman puts
Speaker 1: out an experience that they've previously felt like they have
Speaker 1: to station them about and they put it out into
Speaker 1: the world, and how amazing it can be for other
Speaker 1: women to receive that exactly.
Speaker 3: So Kelly was one of the people from the very
Speaker 3: start who put her hand up and said, hell, yeah,
Speaker 3: let me know what you need, I'm going to do it.
Speaker 3: And she actually flew out to Ottawa that first October
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two to be with me when I
Speaker 3: testified in front of the Justice Committee, because she didn't
Speaker 3: want me to be alone, and also because you know,
Speaker 3: she wanted to be there. There's also Brandy who is
Speaker 3: from Ontario, and Brandy did the same thing. So Brandy
Speaker 3: drove hours and hours up to Ottawa and sat beside Kelly,
Speaker 3: who was sat behind me in the committee, and they
Speaker 3: just held hands and made sure that I didn't have
Speaker 3: to be there alone.
Speaker 4: Never met them in my life, but they both came out.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 4: And it was a really nice day.
Speaker 3: There was a breeze and I had printed out this
Speaker 3: huge binder for myself of my five minute statement, all
Speaker 3: of my facts. I was so prepared in case any
Speaker 3: question came to me. I felt like I had spent
Speaker 3: years preparing for this moment. My sister Brie and my
Speaker 3: mom also came and they sat behind me, and I
Speaker 3: just felt like with Kelly and Brandy and my mom
Speaker 3: and my sister and like all the story worries that
Speaker 3: people had gifted to me and shared, like.
Speaker 4: I was ready.
Speaker 2: So how did the testimony go?
Speaker 4: Great? Like? It was amazing. I'm a public servant.
Speaker 3: I come from a government background, so I had a
Speaker 3: familiarity of how the system worked when it came to
Speaker 3: things like committee meetings. I did cry in my statement
Speaker 3: the part where at one point I talked about telling
Speaker 3: myself to remember what it felt.
Speaker 4: Like to have a publication man on my name that
Speaker 4: I didn't want.
Speaker 3: And I talked about the promise that I made in
Speaker 3: my victim impact statement where I said, you know, to
Speaker 3: other people who have not been able to report, or
Speaker 3: who have not been believed, or who face too many
Speaker 3: barriers in the system to be taken seriously, I will
Speaker 3: promise that I will do what I can to fix it.
Speaker 4: And that part oh made me cry.
Speaker 3: And every single member of Parliament on that committee was supportive.
Speaker 2: Morel was no longer alone.
Speaker 1: She had her mum and her sister sitting behind her,
Speaker 1: but also Kelly and Brandy and the support of so
Speaker 1: many other women who had her back. They were her squad,
Speaker 1: coming together to fight this injustice and with their support,
Speaker 1: she finally got the Canadian Parliament to pay attention. After
Speaker 1: the break, one woman's fight against the system becomes a
Speaker 1: national movement.
Speaker 2: Glad you have glat you, Glad you have glad you.
Speaker 1: Morell's personal testimony in Parliament had got the Canadian government
Speaker 1: to review publication bands, but to make a case for
Speaker 1: actually changing this law, she and the other women joining
Speaker 1: her campaign had to prove that they had public support.
Speaker 1: Morrel and Kelly and Brandy and so many other women
Speaker 1: united under the banner My Voice, My Choice, and each
Speaker 1: one brought their own unique skills to the team. One
Speaker 1: handled the website, another took care of media outreach, and
Speaker 1: someone else ran their social media channels. As for morel
Speaker 1: she used her civil servant experience of navigating government bureaucracies
Speaker 1: to steer the ship. They testified in Parliament again, started
Speaker 1: a national petition and spoke to as many journalists as
Speaker 1: they could.
Speaker 3: I was already starting to work with the Minister of
Speaker 3: Justice and the Attorney General of Canada and his staff
Speaker 3: in particular to see what we might be able to
Speaker 3: do around the law, to just continue the momentum, to
Speaker 3: continue to put the issue in front of people, and
Speaker 3: to see the recommendations come to life on paper in
Speaker 3: a bill. And then suddenly some of the biggest publications
Speaker 3: in Canada are writing stories about you and putting you
Speaker 3: on the front page. And you know, politicians are reading
Speaker 3: the stories like you're able to say, here's our track record,
Speaker 3: like take us seriously. We had over five thousand people
Speaker 3: sign our petition to the government to change the law.
Speaker 3: This was just like such a big effort, and it
Speaker 3: involved more than just you know, the names of people
Speaker 3: who I mentioned or the people immediately in the group,
Speaker 3: like there are many, many more, thousands of people whose
Speaker 3: names we will probably never encounter, who were part of
Speaker 3: the effort and sending emails and signing the petition and
Speaker 3: getting stories out. And I will be so thankful that
Speaker 3: people felt like it resonated with them and that they
Speaker 3: wanted to help in even a small way.
Speaker 1: And so that brings me on to the most important bit,
Speaker 1: I guess, which is when you heard the results.
Speaker 3: I was in my house when I got a call
Speaker 3: from one of the staffers in the Minister of Justice's
Speaker 3: office and he said to me, can you be in
Speaker 3: Ottawa tomorrow for a press conference with the minister to
Speaker 3: announce the bill? And I almost fell off of my
Speaker 3: chair because I live in British Columbia. Were like a
Speaker 3: five hour flight away from Ottawa, and at this point
Speaker 3: it was like twelve noon. But I just dropped everything
Speaker 3: and I booked a red eye flight and I had
Speaker 3: again a small bottle of Moway in my fridge, and
Speaker 3: I knew, I knew that the bill was coming, but
Speaker 3: I didn't know when, and it was a surprise.
Speaker 4: I didn't have a lot of time to prepare.
Speaker 3: I actually, like when I hung up the phone with
Speaker 3: the staffer, I ran down the street to get my
Speaker 3: haircut because that was like, oh God, I'm going to
Speaker 3: be I'm going to be had a press conference with
Speaker 3: two ministers like my hair, Like I just need to
Speaker 3: do something, and so I ran. Yeah, I ran and
Speaker 3: got my haircut. I threw like four options of clothes
Speaker 3: in a suitcase. I didn't sleep because it was a
Speaker 3: red eye flight, so I stayed sitting up and my
Speaker 3: hair still looked really nice from when the man in
Speaker 3: the salon did it.
Speaker 4: So that was the saving grease.
Speaker 2: Perfect perfect.
Speaker 1: In October twenty twenty three, the Canadian Criminal Code was
Speaker 1: finally updated with changes to publication bans, all thanks to
Speaker 1: the relentless advocacy of Morel and the women of My Voice,
Speaker 1: My Choice. It was their determination that made this monumental
Speaker 1: shift possible.
Speaker 2: So what's the status of the publication ban now?
Speaker 3: So the law says that the Crown attorneys have to
Speaker 3: ask a victim if they want a publication ban as
Speaker 3: soon as feasible, and they also have to inform a
Speaker 3: victim when a publication ban has been put on their identity,
Speaker 3: a victim can no longer be prosecuted now for sharing
Speaker 3: their own personal information in any forum or for any purpose.
Speaker 3: So as long as you're not identifying anybody else who
Speaker 3: has a publication ban, you can share your own information
Speaker 3: and you're not going to get prosecuted. That includes speaking
Speaker 3: to lawyers, to your therapists, to support groups, to family members,
Speaker 3: anybody in a position of trust. The accused no longer
Speaker 3: gets to show up and argue why their victim should
Speaker 3: be permanently silenced, and essentially a victim now if they
Speaker 3: ask a crown attorney to remove a publication ban, the
Speaker 3: crown attorney can't tell them no. The biggest thing for
Speaker 3: me is that it's the choice of the victim is respected.
Speaker 3: Some people may choose to have a publication ban and
Speaker 3: may choose to be anonymous because it helps them. Other
Speaker 3: people might choose to be public and might want to
Speaker 3: talk about what happened to them because it helps them,
Speaker 3: And fundamentally, the only person who should be making that
Speaker 3: choice is the victim themselves.
Speaker 1: Now that the law had changed, it was time to
Speaker 1: wrap up my voice, my choice, so the women had
Speaker 1: one last glassy eyed soon called together. They've done what
Speaker 1: they set out to do to change the Canadian criminal Code,
Speaker 1: and with that, they took down the website, deactivated their
Speaker 1: social media pages, and closed the blinds on their online HQ,
Speaker 1: knowing they'd made history. And that brings me on kind
Speaker 1: of perfectly to I think one of my last questions
Speaker 1: for you, which is what advice would you give other
Speaker 1: advocates or survivors like those ones dropping in your dms,
Speaker 1: who want to create change but feel kind of isolated
Speaker 1: or powerless like you did for a while.
Speaker 3: I think if there's one thing I could say, it's
Speaker 3: that if you believe that a system can be changed
Speaker 3: for the better and that you can do it, it
Speaker 3: will take time and it will be hard, but if
Speaker 3: you can re imagine something else, then it is possible.
Speaker 2: That's perfect.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much more so lovely talking to you,
Speaker 1: and I hope there's going to be way more opportunities
Speaker 1: to pop open bottles of champagne in your future.
Speaker 2: It sounds like you're really going to be doing a lot.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine this is going to be your last
Speaker 2: big battle.
Speaker 4: No, there's many more. I have a long list of things.
Speaker 1: We often think of law as one of those things
Speaker 1: that's locked away in judicial buildings, understood only by lawyers
Speaker 1: and people in whigs, out of reach of the everyday person.
Speaker 2: But the law is meant to be for the people.
Speaker 1: It should serve us, protect us, reflect our values. And
Speaker 1: I know that it often doesn't. I know that even
Speaker 1: it's used against us. But that doesn't mean that it's right,
Speaker 1: and it certainly doesn't mean that we should just sit
Speaker 1: back and accept it. Morel has proven that with enough tenacity,
Speaker 1: it is possible important to demand change, not just for
Speaker 1: herself but for the many other women who, now, thanks to.
Speaker 2: Her, have reclaimed their voice.
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