Speaker 1: This is Suckers. I'm Kilin Bell, I'm Dean Bell, and
Speaker 1: I'm Jared.
Speaker 2: Habn An iHeartRadio podcast. Hello everyone, and welcome to an
Speaker 2: all new episode of Suckers Kaylin's Corner. I'm joined by
Speaker 2: my husband. That's me, and pop culture is going crazy
Speaker 2: this week? Are you ready for it?
Speaker 1: Fill me in, Harry.
Speaker 2: Are you caught up at all on any sand of
Speaker 2: all drama?
Speaker 1: Nope?
Speaker 2: Can you put your phone down?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, Sandoval did an article with The New York Times
Speaker 2: and let me just pull this up for you.
Speaker 1: Basically, Conn, put your phone down.
Speaker 2: Please, No compared Scandival. I'll just read you the quote
Speaker 2: from Tom Sandival's mouth. I witnessed the OJ Simpson thing
Speaker 2: and George Floyd and all these big things, which is
Speaker 2: really weird to compare Scanfal to that, I think, But
Speaker 2: do you think in a weird way that it's some way?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, do you think in a weird way it's
Speaker 2: a little bit the same?
Speaker 1: So he compared his experience with two murders.
Speaker 2: OJ, Yes, during Black History Month, a white.
Speaker 1: Man during Black History Month?
Speaker 2: Are you serious? George Floyd was murdered, Nicole was murdered? What?
Speaker 2: So he said this, He said this, he said more.
Speaker 1: He does have a way of making himself to be
Speaker 1: a victim. I think is maybe what I've noticed with him.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I think that is a trait of narcissism,
Speaker 2: is like constantly having to get out of things and
Speaker 2: like not admit fault and place the blame elsewhere. But
Speaker 2: just like I witnessed OJ Simpson and George Floyd, it's
Speaker 2: really weird to compare, But don't you think it's a
Speaker 2: little bit the same.
Speaker 1: In what regard as he referring to specifically, do you.
Speaker 2: Know how big? And so the journalist tried to help
Speaker 2: him out a little bit, and she said she looked
Speaker 2: over at Riley. I think that's his publicist who was
Speaker 2: typing furiously on her phone. I think I knew what
Speaker 2: he meant. He was trying to express the oddity of
Speaker 2: becoming the symbolic center or nationwide discussion in a major
Speaker 2: news story. So he even pointed out that it was weird.
Speaker 2: But are you like, there's many other comparisons you could
Speaker 2: have pulled, not these, like George Floyd was murdered. It's
Speaker 2: just so crazy.
Speaker 1: I guess I kind of see where he's coming from.
Speaker 1: Once the publicist puts it into respective like it did
Speaker 1: capture everyone's attention for you know, a period of time.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean too during Black history about this
Speaker 1: pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: It's it is crazy, and I can't like props to
Speaker 2: the journalists for wanting to help him out. I feel
Speaker 2: like most wouldn't. Most would just like take that headline
Speaker 2: and just run with it. And everyone is pulling that
Speaker 2: headline and I couldn't even read the whole like I
Speaker 2: got it from TikTok because you have to pay for
Speaker 2: the article, so they're probably profiting quite a bit. But
Speaker 2: Jiji continue to say what he communicated instead was something
Speaker 2: more honest, which is just how much the experience made
Speaker 2: him lose pers which just how much the experience made
Speaker 2: him lose perspective. It's unreal and like the comments are
Speaker 2: obviously just awful. It's like he keeps digging grave people
Speaker 2: were over scanned of all and then he just keep
Speaker 2: saying crazy stuff. And I don't know if he likes it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't seem like he likes this attention or the headlines.
Speaker 2: But he goes on Nikayel's podcast, makes a fool of himself.
Speaker 2: Then he does the New York Times thing and just
Speaker 2: says the most idiotic and unbelievable thing imaginable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder he definitely likes it. I think at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like he likes the people
Speaker 1: are talking about him. I think last week or two
Speaker 1: weeks ago, I was kind of supporting him a little.
Speaker 1: Not what what did I end up saying, Not that
Speaker 1: I support him, but I think.
Speaker 2: You said you're you didn't say your team Tom, But
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be the time. Yeah, it's making it.
Speaker 1: He's making a lot harder for anyone that wants to
Speaker 1: have his back.
Speaker 2: It's just like despicable. Honestly, there's no defending it. I
Speaker 2: if you want, like, Okay, first of all, you're going
Speaker 2: to New York Times. They are doing a photoshoot for you,
Speaker 2: They're doing all the stuff. You know that you're doing this.
Speaker 2: You have to prepare in some regard, and you have
Speaker 2: prepared to compare what you went through to some like.
Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons I really one of
Speaker 1: the reasons that I want to give him the benefit
Speaker 1: of the doubt, which I don't anymore, is because I
Speaker 1: just don't like Ariana, And so then I'm like that
Speaker 1: makes me want to be team Tom. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: just I guess at the end of the day, you
Speaker 1: can just dislike both people.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think both are not great. And Ariana has
Speaker 2: proved that in this week's episode of vander Pump which
Speaker 2: I haven't watched, but Mattie, our producer, is filling me
Speaker 2: in that she's just been a bit awful and on
Speaker 2: the show. Yeah, and she has been the way that
Speaker 2: she treats Tom's assistant. Tom's assistant didn't cheat on you.
Speaker 2: You can't speak to a person.
Speaker 1: Like that that. I watched that episode when he was
Speaker 1: trying to throw his birthday party at the house that
Speaker 1: they share, and that's kind of my takeaway from it too,
Speaker 1: is how she was talking to the assistant, who like
Speaker 1: is so pleasant and you can you can so tell
Speaker 1: she's like so anti confrontation and yeat, Arianna is still
Speaker 1: treating her kind of like a like she's Tom Tom,
Speaker 1: like like she's the one that did her wrong, and
Speaker 1: it's like, no, you still have to be a decent
Speaker 1: human being. What happened to you sucks. That doesn't give
Speaker 1: you an excuse to just be nasty to anyone you
Speaker 1: want to be.
Speaker 2: You know, well, yeah, what happens to you sucks, but
Speaker 2: like move on and stop with Like she just has
Speaker 2: such hate in her heart. Yeah, and she's fueled by it.
Speaker 2: It seems time to move on, girlfriend.
Speaker 1: I mean, what do I always say that you always
Speaker 1: giving crap for? I think they both could do better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that they both deserve each other because they're
Speaker 1: both crappy.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting for some of yourself.
Speaker 1: Like I don't want I don't want to subject it.
Speaker 1: I don't want anyone to be subject to having to
Speaker 1: date these people because they're both bad, I think. And
Speaker 1: I hate saying that because like as a reality person
Speaker 1: or former reality personality, I'm talking about people that I
Speaker 1: don't know, and when people would talk about me that
Speaker 1: have never met me, it always makes me a little
Speaker 1: mad because I'm like, you have no idea what you're
Speaker 1: talking about. You have no idea who I am. So
Speaker 1: that's kind of why I like try to not you know,
Speaker 1: talk negatively, but just seeing what I've seen with these two, and.
Speaker 2: I do get that where we were on a show,
Speaker 2: we were on I was on two shows. You run
Speaker 2: a few shows, they're on multiple seasons, so they've been
Speaker 2: on the show for over a decade. At some point
Speaker 2: you have to see their true personality and like and
Speaker 2: who they are. And if you don't from that show,
Speaker 2: and you don't want to judge them from that show,
Speaker 2: which is totally fair, then you have to realize, like
Speaker 2: they go on all these social media. You can see
Speaker 2: who they are from social media. They're forty years old.
Speaker 2: Matty just chimed in, it's true. You can see how
Speaker 2: they are on podcasts, how they treat people. It's I
Speaker 2: get that you don't want to judge people from reality TV,
Speaker 2: and I totally think that's fair assessment, seeing as we've
Speaker 2: both been on reality TV, but they've both shown their
Speaker 2: true colors in many forms.
Speaker 1: No, you make a good point. I guess I was
Speaker 1: saying more like I wouldn't judge anyone until I met
Speaker 1: them personally. But at the end of the day, like
Speaker 1: if a tiger shows you at stripes, you got to
Speaker 1: kind of take it for face value. Yeah, and you're right,
Speaker 1: like what we did. Maybe that's kind of why I'm
Speaker 1: like hyper aware of it because the show we were
Speaker 1: on was like, you know, over edited and barely even
Speaker 1: about us. At the end of the day, these people
Speaker 1: are on ten seasons and they're the main characters, one
Speaker 1: of seven or eight or however many there are. So
Speaker 1: it's like you get a lot more of a glimpse
Speaker 1: into their lives, into who they are as people. So
Speaker 1: I guess you are able to form more of an
Speaker 1: opinion because of the information that you have is a
Speaker 1: lot more than they had on us. So I take
Speaker 1: back what I said. I actually do feel comfortable judging
Speaker 1: them now.
Speaker 2: Not that I love judging people, but given what he
Speaker 2: just said, and I just want to go like, you're
Speaker 2: preparing for this interview, and you probably thought of this quote.
Speaker 2: You probably were like, yeah, this is the right thing
Speaker 2: to say, Like he thought of.
Speaker 1: This, This is gonna this is gonna show them all
Speaker 1: they need to see about me, right.
Speaker 2: And make them feel sympathy for me. I think that's
Speaker 2: all he's trying to do is garner sympathy from everyone
Speaker 2: because everyone hates them.
Speaker 1: But I agree with what you're saying too. It's like
Speaker 1: it's it's coming past, Like scandal is a thing of
Speaker 1: the past a year ago. It probably still deals with
Speaker 1: some backlash, but like I like, people don't think about
Speaker 1: it anymore. For the most part, I don't.
Speaker 2: Think no and there's it's just like some deep narcissism
Speaker 2: where one like I get doing the show and trying
Speaker 2: to recover your name and do whatever you can and
Speaker 2: hopes to do it. But like Raquel, Rachel did the
Speaker 2: right thing by not going back on the show, Like
Speaker 2: that's I think the best thing you can do in
Speaker 2: this situation. But he wants to go back on the show,
Speaker 2: he wants to do all these interviews, and he just
Speaker 2: keeps putting his foot in his mouth.
Speaker 1: It's tough too, because you know that he is like
Speaker 1: he's wanting to repair his image, like that's definitely his goal,
Speaker 1: and he's failing so miserably at it. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: don't know, like I don't really keep track of that stuff,
Speaker 1: but like just judging by what you've said here in
Speaker 1: the short snippets I've seen on the show, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know that you need to do, like change something,
Speaker 1: do something differently to get people back in your corner,
Speaker 1: and you're just not doing anything.
Speaker 2: All he needs to do, I don't know where his
Speaker 2: publicist is. He's probably gone through many he probably isn't listening.
Speaker 2: All he needs to do is just do a bit
Speaker 2: of groveling. Apologize, be sincere. But he can't even do that,
Speaker 2: Like every time he apologizes, he places the blame on
Speaker 2: someone else. He's like, I did apologize. He was just
Speaker 2: yelling at Lisa on the last episode. He's like, I
Speaker 2: have apologized, butt, And.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing I've noticed with his apologies quote unquote,
Speaker 1: is that's exactly it. He'll apologize and take an accountability
Speaker 1: for it, and then you're like, oh wow, he's growing
Speaker 1: and maturing, and then he'll say butt and then say
Speaker 1: something for the next three minutes that like completely retract anything,
Speaker 1: any ground that he had gained.
Speaker 2: And what he's trying to do too is just distract,
Speaker 2: like throw anything at the wall, distract, distract, distract. Because
Speaker 2: he brought up you didn't watch vander Pump from the beginning,
Speaker 2: but James, who you don't like, the British guy. He
Speaker 2: slept with Tom's so he was like best friends with Tom,
Speaker 2: and then he slept with Tom's ex girlfriend and so on.
Speaker 2: Not this latest episode, but the episode before he brought
Speaker 2: up to James, he was like, he screwed he screwed Kristen,
Speaker 2: my ex girlfriend with my condoms in my bed, and
Speaker 2: it's like dude, this was like twelve years ago. Like
Speaker 2: the fact that you're bringing this up and try to
Speaker 2: compare it with Raquel, it's so different. Also, the kid
Speaker 2: was like twenty one at the time, you're forty, and
Speaker 2: that's all he wants. He can't take ownership. He asked
Speaker 2: to be like, Okay, I made this mistake, but someone
Speaker 2: else made a worse mistake. And I feel like there
Speaker 2: are narcissists out there who we've seen this, like do
Speaker 2: this before, and it's just so frustrating. How have you
Speaker 2: not learned?
Speaker 1: The fact that they're forty is really mind blowing to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because when we were kids, like forty years old is
Speaker 1: that's like your parents' age, you know, they've got their
Speaker 1: stuff together, they're mature, they whatever. But these guys are
Speaker 1: forty years old and they're saying and doing all this stuff.
Speaker 1: I hope I'm not doing that when I'm forty.
Speaker 2: No, there's no self awareness and no accountability, and it's yeah,
Speaker 2: it's crazy. And Arianna, I just also I'm not a publicist,
Speaker 2: but maybe you could be a little bit.
Speaker 1: Nicer if Okay, So here's the thing with the Ariana.
Speaker 1: If she what like we've already established what happened to
Speaker 1: her sucked. There's no there's no denying that if she
Speaker 1: was just like a pleasant, nice, kind person, even after
Speaker 1: all that stuff, she would be received so much more
Speaker 1: positively than she is now, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like you're allowed to be better for however long you
Speaker 1: want to be, I guess. But if you had moved
Speaker 1: past it, and you would, like if you could show
Speaker 1: us that it that you're not affected by on a
Speaker 1: day to day basis, and you don't like harbor all
Speaker 1: of this anger and animosity towards someone, it would, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, at least like give me a reason to
Speaker 1: kind of like celebrate your perseverance.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But like seeing her just like still be better and
Speaker 1: angry and mean, it just makes me like it's like,
Speaker 1: get the hell over it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, no, it's so true. And but I
Speaker 2: think from her perspective, like she is so successful since Scannibal,
Speaker 2: Like she's gotten so many opportunities, dancing with the stars,
Speaker 2: all of these ads, all these commercials. She's probably like
Speaker 2: so much money now from all of this. And I
Speaker 2: don't know if in her mind she's like it's a spite,
Speaker 2: it's a hate, So like I got to keep that going.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're probably right to a degree, Like
Speaker 1: she's seen this, she's seen this like allow her a
Speaker 1: certain level of success, and so she's leaning into it
Speaker 1: even more. I guess it's probably what's happening with her.
Speaker 1: But there's got to be a point where it stops.
Speaker 1: It's already overplayed. I hope she could, Like this show
Speaker 1: was filmed I don't know how long ago.
Speaker 2: Maybe six months, so.
Speaker 1: Like maybe it was still fresh back then when it
Speaker 1: was being filmed, and like now she like I would
Speaker 1: hope at least she's watching the show and like has
Speaker 1: moved to a better place where now she's like next
Speaker 1: season or whatever she does next, she's not gonna like
Speaker 1: just be this just mean person.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also the whole thing with the house, Like
Speaker 2: she's being so spiped get I can't imagine, especially like
Speaker 2: Tom's being so stubborn, but he not defending him, but
Speaker 2: he's like trying to buy the house from her, and
Speaker 2: she's like absolutely not, Like I'd rather just live there
Speaker 2: and be miserable. It's like you want to sit in
Speaker 2: this misery.
Speaker 1: There's something to be said about it sucks that these
Speaker 1: people's lives have been turned into entertainment. I know, because,
Speaker 1: like I agree, if it was a normal situation, I
Speaker 1: don't think Arion would be doing what she's doing. But
Speaker 1: because it's led to her get more money and endorsements
Speaker 1: and fame, she's like leaning into it. She does kind of.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not going to speak for her, but
Speaker 1: it seems like she does like it a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they both do in a weird, twisted way.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of the same thing. I think
Speaker 1: about this with social media. This is kind of different,
Speaker 1: like this is separate from that, but still kind of
Speaker 1: in the same vein where like you see people on
Speaker 1: social media they'll post a certain style of a video
Speaker 1: whatever it is, and it does really well or oh actually,
Speaker 1: this is maybe where the whole thought even started before
Speaker 1: the video is like, there's a pretty girl on social
Speaker 1: media and she posts a bikini picture and it gets
Speaker 1: three times the amount of likes a normal picture would get,
Speaker 1: and she's like, wow, people really like when I post
Speaker 1: bikini pictures. And then so that person then becomes that
Speaker 1: then starts only posting bikini pictures because she sees that
Speaker 1: it gets a reaction out of her audience more than
Speaker 1: like a regular picture would, and so then you know,
Speaker 1: five years from then, her entire feed is just all
Speaker 1: bikini pictures. And it's a slope where it's like you're
Speaker 1: trying to do the thing that the audience likes the
Speaker 1: most from you, which is good to a degree, but
Speaker 1: then like you just lose sight of anything that you
Speaker 1: ever once were because you're just doing what other people
Speaker 1: want you to do. Essentially, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I agree, just can't. I never thought, you know, one
Speaker 2: that you would know these people's names, and two that
Speaker 2: we'd be talking about this a year later, but here
Speaker 2: we are.
Speaker 1: What Tom and Arianna? Yeah, I mean, to the credit
Speaker 1: of the show, I never watched the show, right, but
Speaker 1: I was glued to the couch when scandabal was.
Speaker 2: Going, oh yeah everyone was.
Speaker 1: And like I had no background information, no understanding of
Speaker 1: anything that was going on, and I was still just
Speaker 1: locked in. Like the reunion, for instance, I was like,
Speaker 1: who's this, Who's that, Who's this? But I was still
Speaker 1: like so eyes peeled to the screen. So to their credit,
Speaker 1: it was incredibly gripping television.
Speaker 2: But also like the producers are working extra hard to
Speaker 2: make sure people are still have that you know, same
Speaker 2: attention span for the show, but it's it's past and
Speaker 2: I don't know Tom can keep putting his foot in
Speaker 2: his mouth, but it's it's just frustrating. I can't believe
Speaker 2: he said that. I really can't.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, unbelievable. I would imagine there's got to
Speaker 1: be it's dangerously close to canceling being canceled.
Speaker 2: How many more times can he be canceled? Though, Like
Speaker 2: I think maybe that's it. He's been canceled so hard,
Speaker 2: so bad, that maybe he's just like screw it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that there is like it's a
Speaker 1: different what he just said about Oh yeah, Oja and
Speaker 1: George horrible. It's like, what it's one thing to be
Speaker 1: two infidelity is bad, of course everyone knows that, but
Speaker 1: then to like make.
Speaker 2: These to compare what your actions your actions, You cheated
Speaker 2: to two murders.
Speaker 1: Yeah, murders, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, But it's it's like
Speaker 1: if FIDELI is one thing, and then you bring in
Speaker 1: this like new race factor and then obviously like the
Speaker 1: gravity of those crimes were way bigger than you didn't
Speaker 1: even commit a crime, So it's right, right, you're just
Speaker 1: the asshole that cheated on your Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's no defending this guy. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. The people's choice words happened this past
Speaker 2: weekend or a few days ago, and Billie Eilish, did
Speaker 2: you see anything about there were so many influencers? There
Speaker 2: so many influencers. And so Billie Eilish, someone took a
Speaker 2: video of her, She's like down like by the tables
Speaker 2: and like its kind of whispering, try to cover her
Speaker 2: mouth a bit, and said, why are there so many
Speaker 2: influencers here? Or why are there so many TikTokers here?
Speaker 2: And she makes a really good point because these award
Speaker 2: shows have turned into like a TikTok gala essentially, like
Speaker 2: the Grammys TikTokers everywhere. What else just happened? The Oscars
Speaker 2: TikTokers everywhere, and now like Instagram influencers everywhere. It's just
Speaker 2: like there's no need because these people aren't winning Oscars.
Speaker 2: There's not they're not winning Grammys, Like, let's keep it
Speaker 2: to the real celebrities. For lack of a better word,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. It's weird, and there's
Speaker 2: such a shift in general, like even Paris Fashion Week,
Speaker 2: New York Fashion Week, it's like all TikTokers. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: there's not really like the celebrities that we love on
Speaker 2: our screens and or musicians that we love. It's like
Speaker 2: that focus is kind of on them.
Speaker 1: It's just changed a lot. Like in the early two
Speaker 1: thousand's twenty tens, the only way, the only way you'd
Speaker 1: have access to these people, like the celebrities, like the
Speaker 1: actors and the musicians and stuff, was through these award shows.
Speaker 1: But now with social media being as big as it
Speaker 1: is in TikTok especially, it's like I'll put on a
Speaker 1: movie and I'll just like scroll through TikTok, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So they are kind of like celebrities nowadays.
Speaker 2: Yeah they are. I don't know, they are obviously, but
Speaker 2: it's just a weird thing. And I mean, like, if
Speaker 2: I got invited to the Oscars, I'd be stoked and
Speaker 2: for sure would go, but that's not happening. And I
Speaker 2: was listening to a podcast, I don't know if it
Speaker 2: was like a year or two ago, and talking about
Speaker 2: the Met Gallat and how the Met Gallat to me
Speaker 2: used to be like the most amazing thing ever, the
Speaker 2: most spectacular thing where a list celebrities are going and
Speaker 2: they're wearing the most extravagant gowns and pieces, and then
Speaker 2: they pivoted to influencers and it's like, you're kind of
Speaker 2: ruining it a little bit, cheapens it. Yeah, it definitely
Speaker 2: cheapens it. It's a bummer. So hopefully I feel like
Speaker 2: one hundred percent Alex Carl's going to be at the
Speaker 2: Met Galet this year. I don't know why. But then
Speaker 2: you have people like Emma Chamberlain. And Emma Chamberlain was
Speaker 2: a YouTuber. She's been youtubing since like I don't know,
Speaker 2: twenty ten, maybe twenty thirteen, who knows, she's young, but
Speaker 2: she has just been crushing it in her career and
Speaker 2: she has made this incredible pivot from YouTuber kind of
Speaker 2: in the comedy space ish to now she works for
Speaker 2: Vogue on the Met Gala red carpet, and I don't
Speaker 2: really see many other people doing that pivot. The way
Speaker 2: that she has done collect broadcasting kind of well, just
Speaker 2: like to go from YouTube to Vogue is insane, and
Speaker 2: she was I don't know, like her fashion and everything.
Speaker 2: She's done an incredible job. But I don't know if
Speaker 2: everyone's trying to be the next Emma Chamberlain, or if
Speaker 2: they're inviting these people to see who could be the
Speaker 2: next one. I don't know what it is, but I
Speaker 2: don't love it. I think we pluck one, like we
Speaker 2: plucked Emma, let's pluck another, but we don't need everyone.
Speaker 1: Well, what do you always say about pageant girls, Like
Speaker 1: one pageant girl made it to be a sports broadcaster,
Speaker 1: and then you said that everyone kind of chas the
Speaker 1: dream of being that having that same career path arc.
Speaker 2: That's very true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, you know, you see someone do it
Speaker 1: in the same field as you, at the same level
Speaker 1: as you some point in their lives, pushed through the
Speaker 1: glass ceiling, and then all you can ever hope to
Speaker 1: being in that same position is to be that next
Speaker 1: person that does it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know, but I've never really seen.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like in terms of the pageant thing,
Speaker 2: like everyone was trying. Everyone went to school for it.
Speaker 2: Not everyone, but a lot of us pageant girls initially
Speaker 2: went to school for sports broadcasting at one point, at
Speaker 2: least my back in my.
Speaker 1: Day, oh my back.
Speaker 2: But then with this there's just so many people who
Speaker 2: are either almost there or or you're like seeing them
Speaker 2: take those steps, whereas I don't really know how to
Speaker 2: explain this properly. Whereas Emma just like did it, she
Speaker 2: took that jump. But now there's like so many people
Speaker 2: in this middle to upper area that could be her,
Speaker 2: you know, not really, I don't know how to explain
Speaker 2: it anyways. It's it's weird. I think it's not going
Speaker 2: to stop all these influencers.
Speaker 1: But Billie Eilish some crity at the people's choice orders.
Speaker 2: No, of course there were other celebrities, but honestly, like
Speaker 2: the people that I saw were influencers on the red carpet, like,
Speaker 2: I don't remember seeing many people who were celebrities, Like
Speaker 2: I saw alex Or, I saw Page from Summer House,
Speaker 2: I saw hn and Dylan were there.
Speaker 1: I mean at the end of the day too. It's
Speaker 1: just like a cultural shift, like our parents dealt with
Speaker 1: it too, when they aged up to a certain point
Speaker 1: and they stopped recognizing the people that were bigger and
Speaker 1: more noticeable, Like, you know, we're still young. We're twenty
Speaker 1: eight and thirty two, but we're definitely not twenty two
Speaker 1: or twenty anymore. Where those are the I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just like I'm sure if we talked to a
Speaker 1: twenty year old they would be like, well, yeah, of
Speaker 1: course they were at the People's Choice Awards. You know,
Speaker 1: like why wouldn't they be. They're huge. We have no
Speaker 1: idea who they are, but like there, it's just we're
Speaker 1: kind of like aging up to the next.
Speaker 2: But don't you think they'd be like Jenna Ortega of course,
Speaker 2: Olivia Rodrigo of course, like those people.
Speaker 1: Those are like almost two big of people to do
Speaker 1: it to the big People's Choice Award for sure.
Speaker 2: But I don't know you're right, because I guess it's
Speaker 2: like a middle But then Billie Eilish is massive, so
Speaker 2: she was there.
Speaker 1: Like People's Choice Awards, it's kind of I don't know
Speaker 1: what that is, but I imagine it's got to be
Speaker 1: like the MTV Awards, right, Like it's a middling award
Speaker 1: show that you're happy to be invited to, and but
Speaker 1: no one cares who wins the People's Choice Awards, Like
Speaker 1: no one's waiting to see who wins People's Choice Awards.
Speaker 2: Easton has a People's Choice Award.
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
Speaker 2: He won a People's Choice Award?
Speaker 1: Okay, see that's huge for Easton. But if Billy Eilish
Speaker 1: won a People's Choice Award, let me see this thing
Speaker 1: real quick. What do you win that for? Is that
Speaker 1: for Becca An Tanya's.
Speaker 3: This is for the Pop Podcast of twenty nineteen for
Speaker 3: my contribution to scrubbing into Beckettillian Tanya Red. That's amazing,
Speaker 3: that's awesome, it's very cool. It's uh, it's yes, it's
Speaker 3: very neat. I show it to everyone who comes over.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I have a People's Choice Award?
Speaker 1: This is one?
Speaker 2: Is it heavy?
Speaker 1: It's very heavy? Who so you got one? Bekatania obviously
Speaker 1: got one.
Speaker 3: Mark got one, and Danielle Romo got one the producer
Speaker 3: and uh, it was great.
Speaker 1: About hearing I'm talking cop about People's Choice awards. I
Speaker 1: think they're great. But it's not an Oscar, you know?
Speaker 1: So did Easton win an Oscar? And then I'll be impressed.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, when when they have the Oscar for
Speaker 3: Best Podcast, I'll be there.
Speaker 1: I actually wouldn't be surprised if that ends up happening
Speaker 1: at some point.
Speaker 2: If we want a podcast, I would be sick if
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, If we want to.
Speaker 1: People, I would never shut up about it.
Speaker 2: Right right, right right.
Speaker 1: So I'm but like I'm saying, too, I guess I
Speaker 1: kind of forgot where I'm saying. Maybe I was. Maybe
Speaker 1: I was going on a little too off tangent there.
Speaker 1: But it is like it's not as prestigious as those
Speaker 1: other awards, I guess, is my point. And so it's like,
Speaker 1: if if the Oscars was filled with all these TikTok influencers,
Speaker 1: then yes, I think that they were.
Speaker 2: That's a thing like they and Meta keeps inviting like
Speaker 2: their Instagram influencers. TikTok keeps inviting their TikTok people, and
Speaker 2: the red carpet's like flooded with them, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: what the heck. This is the Oscars, this is a Grammys.
Speaker 2: Has an old twenty eight year old, Like, I've been
Speaker 2: watching this for decades and now there's these little twenty
Speaker 2: year olds flaunting about on the red carpet. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess I'm just old.
Speaker 1: No, you're young still my twenties. Caylen, we probably already
Speaker 1: talked about this, and it's not pop culture related. She's
Speaker 1: already planning her thirtieth birthday and I'm like, you still
Speaker 1: have to play in your twenty ninth birthday. Why are
Speaker 1: you going straight to thirty? Doesn't make any sense?
Speaker 2: Thirty is huge.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I see what you're saying, and I could
Speaker 1: see why I built. Like if I was Billi Eilish,
Speaker 1: I'd be like what that Like, Yeah, you don't want
Speaker 1: to be the biggest fish in the pond. You want
Speaker 1: to be like those TikTok influencers probably so hyped that
Speaker 1: Billie Eilish was there, and Billy Eilish was probably annoyed
Speaker 1: that they were there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I went to the iHeart one of the
Speaker 2: iHeart music festivals this past spring and sat to rows
Speaker 2: behind Taylor Swift. She was for sure the biggest person.
Speaker 1: There, Like even in the in this this is so irrelevant,
Speaker 1: but even in the subdivision that we live in, like
Speaker 1: we have the cheapest house in the subdivision, which is
Speaker 1: a great spot for us, Whereas like if you're the
Speaker 1: most expensive house in a subdivision, you're kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: why why am I here? Why I'm not somewhere else?
Speaker 1: So I'm happy that we're here. But I could imagine, like,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I would rather be small in a
Speaker 1: big pond than big in a small pond.
Speaker 2: Well, the met galap for me is like top top
Speaker 2: top what I get so excited for around.
Speaker 1: Talking about it since last.
Speaker 2: Year, seriously love it. If I could be like behind
Speaker 2: the scenes somehow, oh my gosh, and be inside the
Speaker 2: met gallic God, I would be so happy. But I
Speaker 2: think Alex Earl will for sure be there, that is
Speaker 2: my prediction.
Speaker 1: And Jane Brilain, obviously, what is the what is the significance.
Speaker 2: Of that Alex has been to everything, like she's the
Speaker 2: biggest influencer TikToker out there right now.
Speaker 1: I don't like her, don't even like her a little bit.
Speaker 2: Do you like her boyfriend?
Speaker 1: I don't really care about him. He's not good at football.
Speaker 1: He's better than I am, without a question, but he's
Speaker 1: not like a He's just a special teams player.
Speaker 2: He doesn't play.
Speaker 1: He plays No. He maybe had five catches this year.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, So I think Alex are El's going to
Speaker 2: be there, But it'll be telling to see, like how
Speaker 2: many TikTokers and influencers go. Hopefully it's just Alex and
Speaker 2: maybe Alex won't even be invited, who knows, But that
Speaker 2: to me will be the official turning point.
Speaker 1: We have the Met gala has flooded with influencers.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, well, actually, can you put your phone on?
Speaker 1: I'm looking up Brax and Barios his stats this past year.
Speaker 2: Actually, last year, they had a lot of TikTokers on
Speaker 2: the red carpet interviewing and they had this comedic couple
Speaker 2: quote unquote comedic who they were like just kind of
Speaker 2: getting canceled because they were trying to be funny but
Speaker 2: they weren't being funny.
Speaker 1: The girl that makes the faces.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I don't know if she makes
Speaker 2: the faces, but she was trying to like laugh with
Speaker 2: Audrey Plaza, Aubrey Plaza, and she was like, what's your name?
Speaker 2: And Aubrey was like Aubrey slutburn or something like that,
Speaker 2: and like this girl was just getting roast on the internet.
Speaker 2: She tried to make a joke about the Devil Wars
Speaker 2: Prada with Emily Blunt about just like how many pounds
Speaker 2: did you lose to be here or something? And yeah,
Speaker 2: so maybe that was it for the Met gallon TikTokers
Speaker 2: last year.
Speaker 1: Raxenberio said, twenty seven catches this year.
Speaker 2: That's is that not high?
Speaker 1: It's very low? Okay, it's not horrible.
Speaker 2: It's good for someone who does who's like a benchwarmer.
Speaker 1: Right, he's a benchwarmer. Even I followed the NFL account
Speaker 1: on Instagram and NFL. The official NFL Instagram account was
Speaker 1: posting Alex Earl photos.
Speaker 2: Yes, because she was on stage presenting award for like
Speaker 2: the best Linebacker or something. Is that an award?
Speaker 1: It probably is. Alex Earl presented an award at.
Speaker 2: The NFL yet the like gala where everyone's dressed in gowns. Yeah,
Speaker 2: right before the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's crazy with some football.
Speaker 2: Players standing next to her. They did it together, Brasen Barrios, No, no, no,
Speaker 2: I don't know who it was, but it's just it's
Speaker 2: it's a definite shift. And I again, we are influencers,
Speaker 2: but I feel like, I don't know, I'm I'm not
Speaker 2: sure how I feel about it.
Speaker 1: Just yet influencing. It's so we talk about this occasionally.
Speaker 1: There are people that we see online that are influencers
Speaker 1: that their social presence is unfringe bearable, but then you
Speaker 1: meet them in a person and they're the kindest and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, you're so nice. We'll hang
Speaker 1: out every day for the rest of our lives. And
Speaker 1: then they post and you're like, and then you and
Speaker 1: then you leave them, and then you see them post
Speaker 1: a couple days later and you're like, who are these
Speaker 1: freaking people? This is not the same person I was
Speaker 1: just hanging out with. So yeah, there, But then the reverse.
Speaker 2: Do you have people who have great social media media
Speaker 2: presences and then you meet them in person and you're.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, oh, yeah, that happened to us, that actually recently.
Speaker 1: That Yeah, the whole influencer thing is interesting. And yes,
Speaker 1: we technically are influencers, although I would never say that
Speaker 1: I'm an influencer. I try to avoid that at all.
Speaker 1: Photographer I don't say that either. But these people are
Speaker 1: like proud to be influencers, and and I don't want
Speaker 1: to say that's a bad thing.
Speaker 2: It's a business. People are making money, and the ones
Speaker 2: who have the cringy presences, they're making a lot of money.
Speaker 2: So we're not knocking it.
Speaker 1: We're not knocking it. It's just there's a certain level
Speaker 1: of like you have to sell out to a certain
Speaker 1: degree in order to make it in that industry. One
Speaker 1: we sold out and on television. That's the only reason
Speaker 1: we have a following these people sell out and do
Speaker 1: the trend.
Speaker 2: Not everyone, not everyone.
Speaker 1: Ashley's fantastic. It is Ashley Jackson's girlfriend.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's okay. I think it's fine. Yeah, Ashley.
Speaker 2: Ashley has a really great social media presence and another YouTuber.
Speaker 2: It's been in the business for years, and.
Speaker 1: She's great in real life. Oh my gosh, she's got
Speaker 1: all the basis.
Speaker 2: Coming amazing in real life. Yeah. So there's good ones
Speaker 2: out there, for sure. I mean most of them are good.
Speaker 1: Most of them are good. We just don't like the
Speaker 1: ones that compare their applights to the murder of other people.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just not smart, not great, not a good man.
Speaker 1: Not a good man. I've had it with him.
Speaker 2: I have to. I can't talk about him for more seconds.
Speaker 2: So that is where we'll end it. Thank you so
Speaker 2: much for listening. Tune in next week, where maybe we
Speaker 2: suck just a little bit less.