WEBVTT - Caelynn’s Corner: Sucker’s Choice Awards 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.640 This is Suckers. I'm Kilin Bell, I'm Dean Bell, and 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:05.559 I'm Jared. 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:10.600 Habn An iHeartRadio podcast. Hello everyone, and welcome to an 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:14.239 all new episode of Suckers Kaylin's Corner. I'm joined by 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:19.079 my husband. That's me, and pop culture is going crazy 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:20.280 this week? Are you ready for it? 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:21.919 Fill me in, Harry. 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:23.840 Are you caught up at all on any sand of 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:24.360 all drama? 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:24.800 Nope? 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:25.759 Can you put your phone down? 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:27.080 Yeah? 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:30.640 Well, Sandoval did an article with The New York Times 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:34.040 and let me just pull this up for you. 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:35.599 Basically, Conn, put your phone down. 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:40.280 Please, No compared Scandival. I'll just read you the quote 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:43.720 from Tom Sandival's mouth. I witnessed the OJ Simpson thing 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:46.559 and George Floyd and all these big things, which is 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:50.479 really weird to compare Scanfal to that, I think, But 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:53.000 do you think in a weird way that it's some way? 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:55.160 I'm sorry, do you think in a weird way it's 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:56.000 a little bit the same? 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:59.800 So he compared his experience with two murders. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:04.240 OJ, Yes, during Black History Month, a white. 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:06.000 Man during Black History Month? 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:10.559 Are you serious? George Floyd was murdered, Nicole was murdered? What? 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.400 So he said this, He said this, he said more. 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:19.560 He does have a way of making himself to be 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:21.919 a victim. I think is maybe what I've noticed with him. 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.920 Yes, and I think that is a trait of narcissism, 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:28.400 is like constantly having to get out of things and 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:31.920 like not admit fault and place the blame elsewhere. But 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:35.240 just like I witnessed OJ Simpson and George Floyd, it's 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:37.800 really weird to compare, But don't you think it's a 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:38.880 little bit the same. 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:41.800 In what regard as he referring to specifically, do you. 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:47.440 Know how big? And so the journalist tried to help 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.960 him out a little bit, and she said she looked 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:52.840 over at Riley. I think that's his publicist who was 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.920 typing furiously on her phone. I think I knew what 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.160 he meant. He was trying to express the oddity of 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.400 becoming the symbolic center or nationwide discussion in a major 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:03.720 news story. So he even pointed out that it was weird. 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.640 But are you like, there's many other comparisons you could 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:12.240 have pulled, not these, like George Floyd was murdered. It's 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:13.080 just so crazy. 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:16.040 I guess I kind of see where he's coming from. 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.440 Once the publicist puts it into respective like it did 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:22.000 capture everyone's attention for you know, a period of time. 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:25.440 But yeah, I mean too during Black history about this 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:27.120 pretty crazy. 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:31.600 It's it is crazy, and I can't like props to 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:33.280 the journalists for wanting to help him out. I feel 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:35.600 like most wouldn't. Most would just like take that headline 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.080 and just run with it. And everyone is pulling that 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.960 headline and I couldn't even read the whole like I 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:42.400 got it from TikTok because you have to pay for 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:44.680 the article, so they're probably profiting quite a bit. But 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:48.280 Jiji continue to say what he communicated instead was something 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:50.280 more honest, which is just how much the experience made 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:53.600 him lose pers which just how much the experience made 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:57.639 him lose perspective. It's unreal and like the comments are 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:01.120 obviously just awful. It's like he keeps digging grave people 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.000 were over scanned of all and then he just keep 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.080 saying crazy stuff. And I don't know if he likes it. 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.240 Doesn't seem like he likes this attention or the headlines. 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:10.960 But he goes on Nikayel's podcast, makes a fool of himself. 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.440 Then he does the New York Times thing and just 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:17.160 says the most idiotic and unbelievable thing imaginable. 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:25.000 Yeah, I wonder he definitely likes it. I think at 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.320 the end of the day, like he likes the people 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:30.280 are talking about him. I think last week or two 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.320 weeks ago, I was kind of supporting him a little. 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:34.880 Not what what did I end up saying, Not that 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:36.240 I support him, but I think. 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.160 You said you're you didn't say your team Tom, But 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:38.720 I don't know. 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.960 I just wanted to be the time. Yeah, it's making it. 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.360 He's making a lot harder for anyone that wants to 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:44.920 have his back. 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:50.760 It's just like despicable. Honestly, there's no defending it. I 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:52.800 if you want, like, Okay, first of all, you're going 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:55.160 to New York Times. They are doing a photoshoot for you, 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:56.960 They're doing all the stuff. You know that you're doing this. 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.160 You have to prepare in some regard, and you have 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:03.840 prepared to compare what you went through to some like. 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.720 I think one of the reasons I really one of 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:08.880 the reasons that I want to give him the benefit 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:12.080 of the doubt, which I don't anymore, is because I 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:15.200 just don't like Ariana, And so then I'm like that 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.560 makes me want to be team Tom. But yeah, I 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:18.760 just I guess at the end of the day, you 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:20.240 can just dislike both people. 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.480 Yes, I think both are not great. And Ariana has 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:26.279 proved that in this week's episode of vander Pump which 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.200 I haven't watched, but Mattie, our producer, is filling me 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.680 in that she's just been a bit awful and on 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:34.680 the show. Yeah, and she has been the way that 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.680 she treats Tom's assistant. Tom's assistant didn't cheat on you. 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:39.440 You can't speak to a person. 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:43.120 Like that that. I watched that episode when he was 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.359 trying to throw his birthday party at the house that 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.800 they share, and that's kind of my takeaway from it too, 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.160 is how she was talking to the assistant, who like 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.159 is so pleasant and you can you can so tell 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:57.480 she's like so anti confrontation and yeat, Arianna is still 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.360 treating her kind of like a like she's Tom Tom, 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:02.240 like like she's the one that did her wrong, and 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:04.120 it's like, no, you still have to be a decent 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:06.400 human being. What happened to you sucks. That doesn't give 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:08.440 you an excuse to just be nasty to anyone you 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:08.800 want to be. 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:10.720 You know, well, yeah, what happens to you sucks, but 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.840 like move on and stop with Like she just has 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.280 such hate in her heart. Yeah, and she's fueled by it. 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.640 It seems time to move on, girlfriend. 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:22.440 I mean, what do I always say that you always 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:24.960 giving crap for? I think they both could do better. Yeah, 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:29.320 I think that they both deserve each other because they're 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:30.120 both crappy. 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:33.039 Oh interesting for some of yourself. 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:34.320 Like I don't want I don't want to subject it. 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:36.000 I don't want anyone to be subject to having to 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:40.919 date these people because they're both bad, I think. And 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.800 I hate saying that because like as a reality person 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:47.120 or former reality personality, I'm talking about people that I 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:50.000 don't know, and when people would talk about me that 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.560 have never met me, it always makes me a little 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:54.160 mad because I'm like, you have no idea what you're 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.480 talking about. You have no idea who I am. So 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.279 that's kind of why I like try to not you know, 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.960 talk negatively, but just seeing what I've seen with these two, and. 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.040 I do get that where we were on a show, 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.600 we were on I was on two shows. You run 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.640 a few shows, they're on multiple seasons, so they've been 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:14.360 on the show for over a decade. At some point 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.560 you have to see their true personality and like and 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:18.240 who they are. And if you don't from that show, 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:19.520 and you don't want to judge them from that show, 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:21.839 which is totally fair, then you have to realize, like 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.480 they go on all these social media. You can see 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:26.839 who they are from social media. They're forty years old. 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:30.760 Matty just chimed in, it's true. You can see how 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:33.640 they are on podcasts, how they treat people. It's I 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.279 get that you don't want to judge people from reality TV, 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.600 and I totally think that's fair assessment, seeing as we've 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.160 both been on reality TV, but they've both shown their 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:43.200 true colors in many forms. 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:44.640 No, you make a good point. I guess I was 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.400 saying more like I wouldn't judge anyone until I met 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.120 them personally. But at the end of the day, like 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.200 if a tiger shows you at stripes, you got to 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.160 kind of take it for face value. Yeah, and you're right, 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.600 like what we did. Maybe that's kind of why I'm 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:58.440 like hyper aware of it because the show we were 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:02.960 on was like, you know, over edited and barely even 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:05.640 about us. At the end of the day, these people 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:09.360 are on ten seasons and they're the main characters, one 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.600 of seven or eight or however many there are. So 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:13.600 it's like you get a lot more of a glimpse 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:15.680 into their lives, into who they are as people. So 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:17.600 I guess you are able to form more of an 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:19.720 opinion because of the information that you have is a 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:23.000 lot more than they had on us. So I take 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.120 back what I said. I actually do feel comfortable judging 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:25.600 them now. 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:29.080 Not that I love judging people, but given what he 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.480 just said, and I just want to go like, you're 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:34.080 preparing for this interview, and you probably thought of this quote. 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:35.840 You probably were like, yeah, this is the right thing 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:37.000 to say, Like he thought of. 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.160 This, This is gonna this is gonna show them all 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:41.560 they need to see about me, right. 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:43.080 And make them feel sympathy for me. I think that's 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:45.360 all he's trying to do is garner sympathy from everyone 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:46.560 because everyone hates them. 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:48.160 But I agree with what you're saying too. It's like 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.120 it's it's coming past, Like scandal is a thing of 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.800 the past a year ago. It probably still deals with 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.320 some backlash, but like I like, people don't think about 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.080 it anymore. For the most part, I don't. 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:02.960 Think no and there's it's just like some deep narcissism 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:06.119 where one like I get doing the show and trying 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:09.000 to recover your name and do whatever you can and 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.800 hopes to do it. But like Raquel, Rachel did the 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:13.480 right thing by not going back on the show, Like 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:14.960 that's I think the best thing you can do in 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.120 this situation. But he wants to go back on the show, 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:18.600 he wants to do all these interviews, and he just 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:19.960 keeps putting his foot in his mouth. 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:23.200 It's tough too, because you know that he is like 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:28.360 he's wanting to repair his image, like that's definitely his goal, 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:32.599 and he's failing so miserably at it. Yeah, and I 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:36.439 don't know, like I don't really keep track of that stuff, 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:38.640 but like just judging by what you've said here in 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:40.920 the short snippets I've seen on the show, it's like, 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.160 you know that you need to do, like change something, 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:46.920 do something differently to get people back in your corner, 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:49.320 and you're just not doing anything. 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:51.960 All he needs to do, I don't know where his 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:55.440 publicist is. He's probably gone through many he probably isn't listening. 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:58.000 All he needs to do is just do a bit 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:01.760 of groveling. Apologize, be sincere. But he can't even do that, 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.200 Like every time he apologizes, he places the blame on 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.720 someone else. He's like, I did apologize. He was just 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.160 yelling at Lisa on the last episode. He's like, I 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:10.640 have apologized, butt, And. 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.520 Well, that's the thing I've noticed with his apologies quote unquote, 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:17.160 is that's exactly it. He'll apologize and take an accountability 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.439 for it, and then you're like, oh wow, he's growing 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.600 and maturing, and then he'll say butt and then say 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.480 something for the next three minutes that like completely retract anything, 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:26.720 any ground that he had gained. 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.360 And what he's trying to do too is just distract, 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:32.520 like throw anything at the wall, distract, distract, distract. Because 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:35.200 he brought up you didn't watch vander Pump from the beginning, 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:38.360 but James, who you don't like, the British guy. He 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:41.680 slept with Tom's so he was like best friends with Tom, 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:44.240 and then he slept with Tom's ex girlfriend and so on. 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.320 Not this latest episode, but the episode before he brought 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:51.520 up to James, he was like, he screwed he screwed Kristen, 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:53.840 my ex girlfriend with my condoms in my bed, and 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.920 it's like dude, this was like twelve years ago. Like 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:58.720 the fact that you're bringing this up and try to 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:02.040 compare it with Raquel, it's so different. Also, the kid 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:05.120 was like twenty one at the time, you're forty, and 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:07.960 that's all he wants. He can't take ownership. He asked 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:09.960 to be like, Okay, I made this mistake, but someone 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:13.160 else made a worse mistake. And I feel like there 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:15.560 are narcissists out there who we've seen this, like do 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:18.000 this before, and it's just so frustrating. How have you 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:18.480 not learned? 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.160 The fact that they're forty is really mind blowing to me. Yeah, 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:23.360 because when we were kids, like forty years old is 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.200 that's like your parents' age, you know, they've got their 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:30.440 stuff together, they're mature, they whatever. But these guys are 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:33.160 forty years old and they're saying and doing all this stuff. 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:34.680 I hope I'm not doing that when I'm forty. 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:39.840 No, there's no self awareness and no accountability, and it's yeah, 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.720 it's crazy. And Arianna, I just also I'm not a publicist, 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:45.439 but maybe you could be a little bit. 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.400 Nicer if Okay, So here's the thing with the Ariana. 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.640 If she what like we've already established what happened to 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:55.400 her sucked. There's no there's no denying that if she 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:58.720 was just like a pleasant, nice, kind person, even after 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.000 all that stuff, she would be received so much more 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.200 positively than she is now, you know what I mean, 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:06.360 Like you're allowed to be better for however long you 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:10.040 want to be, I guess. But if you had moved 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:12.400 past it, and you would, like if you could show 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:16.000 us that it that you're not affected by on a 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:17.840 day to day basis, and you don't like harbor all 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:20.480 of this anger and animosity towards someone, it would, in 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:22.959 my opinion, at least like give me a reason to 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:25.640 kind of like celebrate your perseverance. 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:26.040 Yeah. 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:27.960 But like seeing her just like still be better and 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:31.680 angry and mean, it just makes me like it's like, 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:32.720 get the hell over it. 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.160 Yeah, you know, no, it's so true. And but I 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:39.600 think from her perspective, like she is so successful since Scannibal, 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.480 Like she's gotten so many opportunities, dancing with the stars, 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.280 all of these ads, all these commercials. She's probably like 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.880 so much money now from all of this. And I 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.080 don't know if in her mind she's like it's a spite, 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:53.760 it's a hate, So like I got to keep that going. 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:54.200 I don't know. 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:56.840 Yeah, I mean you're probably right to a degree, Like 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:02.439 she's seen this, she's seen this like allow her a 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:04.360 certain level of success, and so she's leaning into it 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.640 even more. I guess it's probably what's happening with her. 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:08.680 But there's got to be a point where it stops. 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:12.120 It's already overplayed. I hope she could, Like this show 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:14.800 was filmed I don't know how long ago. 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:15.880 Maybe six months, so. 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.120 Like maybe it was still fresh back then when it 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:21.120 was being filmed, and like now she like I would 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:24.680 hope at least she's watching the show and like has 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:27.200 moved to a better place where now she's like next 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:30.040 season or whatever she does next, she's not gonna like 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.240 just be this just mean person. 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.880 Yeah. And also the whole thing with the house, Like 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:39.160 she's being so spiped get I can't imagine, especially like 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:42.840 Tom's being so stubborn, but he not defending him, but 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:44.560 he's like trying to buy the house from her, and 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:46.440 she's like absolutely not, Like I'd rather just live there 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:48.080 and be miserable. It's like you want to sit in 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:48.640 this misery. 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:53.079 There's something to be said about it sucks that these 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.400 people's lives have been turned into entertainment. I know, because, 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:01.160 like I agree, if it was a normal situation, I 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.120 don't think Arion would be doing what she's doing. But 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:06.280 because it's led to her get more money and endorsements 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.640 and fame, she's like leaning into it. She does kind of. 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:11.520 I mean, I'm not going to speak for her, but 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:13.319 it seems like she does like it a little bit. 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:17.680 Yeah, they both do in a weird, twisted way. 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.439 I mean, it's kind of the same thing. I think 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.520 about this with social media. This is kind of different, 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:25.400 like this is separate from that, but still kind of 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.880 in the same vein where like you see people on 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:32.079 social media they'll post a certain style of a video 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.679 whatever it is, and it does really well or oh actually, 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.120 this is maybe where the whole thought even started before 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:41.640 the video is like, there's a pretty girl on social 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.240 media and she posts a bikini picture and it gets 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.000 three times the amount of likes a normal picture would get, 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:49.040 and she's like, wow, people really like when I post 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:52.280 bikini pictures. And then so that person then becomes that 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:55.520 then starts only posting bikini pictures because she sees that 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:57.360 it gets a reaction out of her audience more than 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:00.280 like a regular picture would, and so then you know, 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:02.920 five years from then, her entire feed is just all 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.800 bikini pictures. And it's a slope where it's like you're 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:11.360 trying to do the thing that the audience likes the 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.480 most from you, which is good to a degree, but 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.760 then like you just lose sight of anything that you 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.600 ever once were because you're just doing what other people 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.440 want you to do. Essentially, Yeah, yeah. 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:26.120 I agree, just can't. I never thought, you know, one 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:29.240 that you would know these people's names, and two that 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.800 we'd be talking about this a year later, but here 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:32.400 we are. 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:36.000 What Tom and Arianna? Yeah, I mean, to the credit 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.600 of the show, I never watched the show, right, but 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.040 I was glued to the couch when scandabal was. 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:42.600 Going, oh yeah everyone was. 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.520 And like I had no background information, no understanding of 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:47.200 anything that was going on, and I was still just 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:50.080 locked in. Like the reunion, for instance, I was like, 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:51.840 who's this, Who's that, Who's this? But I was still 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:55.080 like so eyes peeled to the screen. So to their credit, 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:57.680 it was incredibly gripping television. 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:00.600 But also like the producers are working extra hard to 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.760 make sure people are still have that you know, same 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:06.720 attention span for the show, but it's it's past and 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:10.400 I don't know Tom can keep putting his foot in 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:13.600 his mouth, but it's it's just frustrating. I can't believe 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:14.680 he said that. I really can't. 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.720 That's I mean, unbelievable. I would imagine there's got to 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:22.000 be it's dangerously close to canceling being canceled. 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.400 How many more times can he be canceled? Though, Like 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.280 I think maybe that's it. He's been canceled so hard, 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.800 so bad, that maybe he's just like screw it. 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:35.600 Yeah, I would say that there is like it's a 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:39.600 different what he just said about Oh yeah, Oja and 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.400 George horrible. It's like, what it's one thing to be 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:47.080 two infidelity is bad, of course everyone knows that, but 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:48.120 then to like make. 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:53.160 These to compare what your actions your actions, You cheated 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:55.000 to two murders. 0:15:54.800 --> 0:16:00.280 Yeah, murders, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, But it's it's like 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.120 if FIDELI is one thing, and then you bring in 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.040 this like new race factor and then obviously like the 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.440 gravity of those crimes were way bigger than you didn't 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:14.080 even commit a crime, So it's right, right, you're just 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:16.640 the asshole that cheated on your Yeah. 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.480 Yeah, there's there's no defending this guy. I don't know. 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:36.040 I don't know. The people's choice words happened this past 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.680 weekend or a few days ago, and Billie Eilish, did 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:44.160 you see anything about there were so many influencers? There 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:47.280 so many influencers. And so Billie Eilish, someone took a 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.120 video of her, She's like down like by the tables 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.360 and like its kind of whispering, try to cover her 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:54.360 mouth a bit, and said, why are there so many 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:56.480 influencers here? Or why are there so many TikTokers here? 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:00.480 And she makes a really good point because these award 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:05.199 shows have turned into like a TikTok gala essentially, like 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:10.520 the Grammys TikTokers everywhere. What else just happened? The Oscars 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:14.760 TikTokers everywhere, and now like Instagram influencers everywhere. It's just 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:17.560 like there's no need because these people aren't winning Oscars. 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:20.159 There's not they're not winning Grammys, Like, let's keep it 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:23.480 to the real celebrities. For lack of a better word, 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:27.480 I don't know, I don't know. It's weird, and there's 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:31.000 such a shift in general, like even Paris Fashion Week, 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:34.879 New York Fashion Week, it's like all TikTokers. Yeah, and 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.879 there's not really like the celebrities that we love on 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:41.119 our screens and or musicians that we love. It's like 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:42.480 that focus is kind of on them. 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:44.840 It's just changed a lot. Like in the early two 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:50.680 thousand's twenty tens, the only way, the only way you'd 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.440 have access to these people, like the celebrities, like the 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.199 actors and the musicians and stuff, was through these award shows. 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.480 But now with social media being as big as it 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.679 is in TikTok especially, it's like I'll put on a 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.359 movie and I'll just like scroll through TikTok, you know 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:09.159 what I mean. So they are kind of like celebrities nowadays. 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:12.879 Yeah they are. I don't know, they are obviously, but 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:17.360 it's just a weird thing. And I mean, like, if 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:19.399 I got invited to the Oscars, I'd be stoked and 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:23.480 for sure would go, but that's not happening. And I 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:24.919 was listening to a podcast, I don't know if it 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:26.440 was like a year or two ago, and talking about 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.000 the Met Gallat and how the Met Gallat to me 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:31.560 used to be like the most amazing thing ever, the 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.480 most spectacular thing where a list celebrities are going and 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:39.760 they're wearing the most extravagant gowns and pieces, and then 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.040 they pivoted to influencers and it's like, you're kind of 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:44.720 ruining it a little bit, cheapens it. Yeah, it definitely 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.280 cheapens it. It's a bummer. So hopefully I feel like 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:49.600