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Speaker 1: The Fields Auto Group proudly presents Huddle.

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Speaker 2: Up with Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 3: JP Shadrick, John Oser, and NFL Network analyst and former

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Speaker 3: Jaguar Bucky Brooks bring you the latest on your Jacksonville Jackwars.

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Speaker 1: We're not done.

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Speaker 3: We're going to continue to work to build this team

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Speaker 3: and makes as potent as we.

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Speaker 4: Can going into the regular season.

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Speaker 3: Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks starts right now.

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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Today is Wednesday, May third, JP Shadrick with NFL Network

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Speaker 2: analyst Bucky Brooks, Jaguars dot Com SINGI writer John Oser

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Speaker 2: as well. Give us a listen on the podcast page

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Speaker 2: at Jaguars dot com or on the official Jaguars podcast

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Speaker 2: network that's on iHeartRadio, iTunes, Spotify, or wherever you download

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Speaker 2: your pods. All of our shows available there. And here

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Speaker 2: we are post draft, Bucky. Thirteen draft picks are coming

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Speaker 2: to Jacksonville. It is a haul for Trent, Balky and Doug.

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Speaker 4: Look a lot of players. I mean, just when you

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Speaker 4: think about this year numbers thirteen players vying for opportunities

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Speaker 4: on the squad. It's a great opportunity. It's a great

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Speaker 4: opportunity for the Jaguars to upgrade the talent behind the starters,

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Speaker 4: also filled in some gaps, but also create competition on

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Speaker 4: what should be a team that is one of the

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Speaker 4: best teams in the AFC.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I know that people want splash in drafts,

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Speaker 3: that this was a team for I felt three or

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Speaker 3: four years before last year with a substandard roster. In

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one Urbans year transfers, you remember, they signed

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Speaker 3: all those free agents JP and Bucky was with us.

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Speaker 3: That felt like making up for lost drafts, you know,

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Speaker 3: felt like trying to make up for speed that wasn't

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Speaker 3: there anymore. For So, at some point, if you're going

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Speaker 3: to get back to being the kind of roster you want,

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Speaker 3: those guys that they were signing as free agents that year,

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Speaker 3: if you follow me, have to be young draft picks

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Speaker 3: the team. So if out of thirteen of these guys,

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Speaker 3: not all of them are gonna be good, but if

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Speaker 3: eight or nine of them are really good players who

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Speaker 3: you feel good about, five or six out of that

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Speaker 3: group develop into guys that you'll love by year three

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Speaker 3: or four. Then you're raising the talent and the youth

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Speaker 3: that had to be done it some time. I don't

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Speaker 3: think they went into the draft thinking that was absolutely

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Speaker 3: a side effect of this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it absolutely is a side effect. I mean, those

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Speaker 4: are the things that you want, Those are good problems

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Speaker 4: to have. This or this will be by far the

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Speaker 4: most talent that this team has had in a long time,

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Speaker 4: in terms of just eliminating some of the glaring holes

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Speaker 4: actually are trying to build depth as opposed to trying

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Speaker 4: to fill out starting lineups, and then you have a

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Speaker 4: chance to also develop young players. And so if you

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Speaker 4: are sitting here now, you're trem balk you, Doug Peterson,

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Speaker 4: you certainly like where the program is at, but you

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Speaker 4: other guys. I think last year just kind of wet

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Speaker 4: the appetite a little bit in terms of going to

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Speaker 4: the postseason, being able to win a playoff game, losing

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Speaker 4: in the Divisional round two. The team that eventually won

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Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. I think all odds are on experiencing

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Speaker 2: It's the Huddle Up podcasts. All right, let's go through

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Speaker 2: some of these picks and we'll start off at the

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Speaker 2: very top. Of course, first round, Jaguars trade back twice

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma tackle Anton Harrison at number twenty seven overall. And

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Speaker 2: after the draft, buck you, Doug said that Doug Peterson

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Speaker 4: You know, I think it's really interesting that they bring

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Speaker 4: Harrison will need to do that, but he'll just do

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Speaker 3: How do you see his playing out? But I mean,

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Speaker 4: Yeah? No, so this would be interesting because you want

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Speaker 2: And as you said, John, we always have to see

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Speaker 3: Well, we spend so much time and I always try

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Speaker 3: And that's why I thought the draft overall, uh made

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Speaker 3: last offseason, every time Travis Etn went down, you held

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Speaker 3: But getting back to that topic, they were really healthy

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Speaker 3: They've got Shatley, They've got Anton Harrison. Now I don't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's important that you do that because that's how

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Speaker 2: Let's move along now to the second round, pick number

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Speaker 2: sixty one overall Penn State tight end, Brenton Strange and Bucky.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, he will fit in. And what I love

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Speaker 4: It gives you an opportunity to do what they did

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought all weekend and I saw it differently

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Speaker 3: you know, while we're complaining, because that's that's what fans do, JP,

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Speaker 3: But I thought this whole draft offensively really got them

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Speaker 3: hard to do that in one offseason. I think they

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Speaker 3: took a huge step toward it last year, but then

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Speaker 3: there were times on the field JP where you could

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Speaker 3: see that they weren't quite personnel wise where Doug liked

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Speaker 3: to be, and Bucky, in something he wrote for Jaguars

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Speaker 3: questions last year from fans saying, well, why aren't there,

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I think it's really important you talk about

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Speaker 2: J P Shadrick, john Oser, and Bucky Brooks were reviewing

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Jaguars draft class.

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Speaker 2: We've gone through the first three rounds Now, it's on today,

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Speaker 1: To go with that.

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Speaker 3: Without referring to your notes, name them.

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Speaker 2: Trel Miller, I'll give you Ventre Miller. I'll give you

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I've already got a order. It is a

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Speaker 3: It was Someday, Yeah, it was Abdullah. I missed Abdullah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so inside the building, fourth round or lower, it

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Speaker 4: Regardless of who was already dead. You can't turn down

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Speaker 4: added to safeties and a corner in the draft. Think

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Speaker 4: about all the currency that they've kind of committed to it.

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Speaker 4: We still haven't been able to get it right. And

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Speaker 4: so this is one where you want to make sure

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Speaker 4: you bring in the right character, fits guys that fit

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Speaker 4: kind of like the program, and then you want to

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Speaker 4: make sure he gets after it.

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Speaker 3: Do you think, what do you think about Washington?

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Speaker 4: Buck?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I look at the receiving Corps. I either

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Speaker 3: really strong at the top. After that it's Tim Jones,

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Speaker 3: Jamal Agnew. Yeah, so at some point somebody out of

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Speaker 3: this group beyond Ridley, Kirk and Jones. It stands the

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Speaker 3: reason somebody's got to play at some point, because it's

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Speaker 3: hard to be healthy for eighteen twenty one games. Anybody

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Speaker 3: out of that group. Ken Washington, I know he's a

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Speaker 3: run after catch guy. I think you know at some

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Speaker 3: point depth will be a factor. Can he be part

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Speaker 3: of that or is it too soon?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean you would like to think you

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Speaker 4: can be a part of it, but it is kind

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Speaker 4: of soon. You just your hope, you know, both things

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Speaker 4: crossed that he'll be able to be a part of

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Speaker 4: that conversation. Uh, but you got a plan for the

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Speaker 4: here and now while also keeping an eye towards the future,

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Speaker 4: and so here and now the way the board broke,

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Speaker 4: you kind of landed with what you have, and so

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Speaker 4: you're always looking to turn the bottom third of the roster,

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Speaker 4: and so you'll look out for some potential uh drays.

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Speaker 4: You'll you'll kind of have these meetings and discussions and

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Speaker 4: you'll kind of talk about names and those things, and

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Speaker 4: then you'll you find it, I want to say, a sucker,

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Speaker 4: but you'll find a sucker. Someone is willing to kind

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Speaker 4: of go through that, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Bucky, Well there you go. Hey, the draft's over.

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Speaker 1: So are you going to like the beach for two

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Speaker 1: weeks or what do you do? Bucky? What happens now?

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Speaker 4: No? You? Uh, I'm I'm I'm still at it. I'm

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Speaker 4: still grinding. I'm still going. I know, like you guys

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Speaker 4: like to take vacation stuff like that. But no, it's

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Speaker 4: all work, no play over here.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I figured you'd be sitting down in Malibu

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Speaker 2: just like kind of hanging out movie stars, zipping my ties, Sunset,

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Speaker 2: the whole deal.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, none of that. We're just gonna do it.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait to go to Minniicamp, can't wait to

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Speaker 4: stand besign. H J. O. White's charting receptions and making

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Speaker 4: sure that we can give the people what they want.

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Speaker 4: Everyone wants to know what people are doing. Jo so

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Speaker 4: I want I want to make sure that you have

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Speaker 4: your pen and your pad ready to chart these completions.

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Speaker 4: Let everybody know who the Hike guys are sleepers.

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Speaker 3: I think you know, I think it's eight days to

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Speaker 3: rookie Minicamp, So yeah, coming in it's eight long days

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Speaker 3: for me because I am looking forward to it. And uh,

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Speaker 3: I will be there if forced.

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Speaker 4: You will be there if forced. John, You know what

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Speaker 4: I didn't hear. Who's who's your favorite Who's your favorite

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Speaker 4: draft pick? Who's the guy that you're excited about you

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Speaker 4: asked me about to look here from pan se, Who's

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Speaker 4: the guy you're excited about?

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Speaker 3: I kind of went with two. I just liked the Uh.

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Speaker 3: I liked to Day two a lot. I liked that

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Speaker 3: they went with Strange and Bigsby to sort of give

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Speaker 3: them what I think is a Doug Peterson offense.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: I think it'll be interesting to see this firepower. They've

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Speaker 3: got a adding Ridley Bigsby and Strange feels like he's

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Speaker 3: got the whole deck for the first time. So I

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Speaker 3: don't think necessarily think there are other things that they

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Speaker 3: could have done in that and uh, had the board,

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Speaker 3: had the board fallen differently. I think the way I

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Speaker 3: think the way it plays out makes it really interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like Strange Now I think Johnson like else

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Speaker 2: Johnson physicality. We need a little bit of that on

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Speaker 2: the defensive side and in the secondary and see if

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Speaker 2: he can compete and get in the starting lineup. And

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Speaker 2: then you guys were talking about Strange just now. I

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Speaker 2: saw it firsthand a couple of times. But he's he's

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Speaker 2: the guy who can line up literally anywhere.

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Speaker 4: I like that he does. I saw some step where

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Speaker 4: he lined up like a three hundred rouse, like one

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Speaker 4: hundred and fifty in a slide, a couple of line

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Speaker 4: all the way out wide, like it'd be interesting to

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Speaker 4: see how he's used and clearly.

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Speaker 3: Douglas, Oh yeah, I mean I got a I got

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Speaker 3: an idea or a gut that. You know, he would

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Speaker 3: never say it, but I think he was probably pounding

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Speaker 3: the table for that guy. I mean, I think he

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Speaker 3: really liked that pick.

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Speaker 4: So you said it early in the podcast where you're

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Speaker 4: trying to recreate what he had in Philadelphia. This would

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Speaker 4: be the closest situation where we're seeing the two tight

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Speaker 4: ends where you can do it, because you have to

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Speaker 4: remember he had Dallas, Goddard, zach Ertz, guys that are

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Speaker 4: very similar in terms of playing style. He was able

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Speaker 4: to use those guys as chess pieces. But I would

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Speaker 4: say this, those two tight ends are surrounded by a

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Speaker 4: superior wide receiver coord and what he had in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 4: So it'd be interesting because when you take those two

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Speaker 4: tight ends on the field, which wide receivers are you

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Speaker 4: taking off the field? You know Kirk, you know Christan

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Speaker 4: Kirk Ridley or Jay Jones. Like that's the give and

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Speaker 4: take when it comes to playing more twelve personnel. Someone

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Speaker 4: has to come off the field.

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Speaker 3: I would anticipate not much of him early in the season,

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Speaker 3: just because of what Bucky said that I anticipate a

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Speaker 3: lot of fans, oh, we're strange, when the reality is

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Speaker 3: they have players who will probably take those opportunities away.

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Speaker 3: My guess is though, by November and December, when he's

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Speaker 3: getting comfortable, I just feel like he's going to add

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Speaker 3: a couple of wrinkles and be a factor as time

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Speaker 3: moves on. That people really like, you know, and.

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Speaker 2: You may not want to, you know, put it all

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Speaker 2: out there early in the season. You want to save

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Speaker 2: some things in your back pocket for the last month

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Speaker 2: or so. That too, and the development of a rookie,

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Speaker 2: all that combined into one.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I just Bucky. I mean it was kind

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Speaker 3: of obvious. I don't give Bucky too much credit, but

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Speaker 3: he's been saying since January pushing all the chips in

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Speaker 3: offensively was going to be the way this thing went.

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Speaker 3: And I, well, it's you.

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Speaker 4: You finally beat me down, John. I went from being

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Speaker 4: a guy at the lead in defense to being like,

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Speaker 4: to heck with defense just outscorm and So we may

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Speaker 4: have a lot of games that look like the Sacramento

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Speaker 4: Kings and the Golden State Warriors, but it'd be a

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Speaker 4: lot of fun for us to watch.

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Speaker 2: They scoreboard is gonna light up like a pinballmus shit,

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Speaker 2: that's what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: Bucky. Enjoy the beach and we'll talk to you again

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Speaker 1: next week.

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Speaker 4: All right, man, we're talking to you.

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Speaker 2: Bucky Books out of here, NFL Network, John Ozer, Thanks

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Speaker 2: to Joe Fortunado, and thanks to you for listening on

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Speaker 2: the podcast page at Jaguars dot com, the official Jaguars

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Speaker 2: Huddle Up Podcast.