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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and GOLDNR Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Steelers Nation Radio. The sun is shining. It's

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Speaker 2: an early edition, special edition of the Drive. You hear

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Speaker 2: the more things are underway. That means you better be

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Speaker 2: out on the field right now, not jogging down, not

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Speaker 2: by the touch line. You better be ready to go

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Speaker 2: because it is once again Steelers Nation Radio on the

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Speaker 2: Steelers Audio Network live here on location for OTA's day

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Speaker 2: number six, six out of six Matt ye last year.

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Speaker 2: And it's another much like yesterday and Tuesday. It's another

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Speaker 2: warm early morning here pushing eighty degrees already feels like

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Speaker 2: one of.

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Speaker 3: Those stickier you can kind of see, you know, in

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Speaker 3: the fog.

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Speaker 2: And the haze, and you know, some of that dreaded

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Speaker 2: humidity that we get here in the Pennsylvania region, especially

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Speaker 2: this time of year, when you know, before the last

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Speaker 2: few days, it felt like it rained for every day

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Speaker 2: for about two weeks straight. Uh. There is some rain

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Speaker 2: in the forecast today, but not not until well into

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Speaker 2: the afternoon, So I don't think we will have to

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Speaker 2: deal with any of that here Matt, it'll be another

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Speaker 2: one of these, I think, hot kind of high energy

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Speaker 2: practices as the guys are, you know, looking at the

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Speaker 2: final opportunity here before they get a few days off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I really thought yesterday's was the most spirited, and

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Speaker 3: that makes pure be like, well, what do we do

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Speaker 4: That's not what I meant. I mean, it's like just watching.

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Speaker 3: Team drills yesterday, and again they don't have pads on,

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Speaker 3: they don't of helmets on, they're not blocking, you know,

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Speaker 3: all that stuff too. But it was fast paced, good football,

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Speaker 3: I thought yesterday more so so. I mean the young

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Speaker 3: guys I think are starting to acclimate to the speed

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Speaker 3: of the game and what's expected of them. And again

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Speaker 3: there's only been five of them in books and they're

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Speaker 3: not doing rigorous stuff.

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Speaker 4: But still you can see progress.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you absolutely can. And there's listen, I think there's

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Speaker 2: some real world ties to that too. Everybody, everybody knows you.

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Speaker 2: You don't walk into work every day completely gung ho

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Speaker 2: it's the best day ever. Let's go attack this, let's

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Speaker 2: go attack this day. There's also some of this process,

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Speaker 2: and it's funny. I feel like we continue to use

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Speaker 2: like the school analogy for this, but it's it's a

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Speaker 2: very similar kind of your same calendar every year type

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Speaker 2: of routine when you're you know, when you're tenth grade,

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Speaker 2: students come in for the first couple weeks of school.

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Speaker 2: You're not instantly hitting the ground running on all the

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Speaker 2: new stuff you're going to learn that year. Of course,

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Speaker 2: you're reinforcing a little bit of what you learned the

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Speaker 2: previous year. You're kind of building back up that base

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Speaker 2: since you've been gone for a few months. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: I think that's part of it too. Some of that

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Speaker 2: is just naturally, there's there's a little bit more of

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Speaker 2: I don't want to say acclimation, but like a ramp

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're one hundred percent right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, part of it is you can't do calculus

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Speaker 3: unless unless you've done algebra. You can't do algeba unless

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Speaker 3: you've done arithmetic.

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Speaker 2: And if you have, if you haven't done algebra for

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Speaker 2: three or four months, you're not gonna jump round.

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Speaker 3: And that's your point too, like let's refresh a little

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Speaker 3: bit of what we did two years ago too.

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Speaker 4: And they'll definitely do that at camp.

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Speaker 3: I mean, after next week, these guys are going to disappear,

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Speaker 3: and of course they'll work out, and of course they'll

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Speaker 2: They might even get together in Florida or something like that.

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Speaker 2: And uh, as we've got Dan, do we golf? Dale?

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Speaker 2: Dale's off today, not feeling great, not feeling great. Yea

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Speaker 2: veterans day. He's earned it, he's earned day.

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Speaker 4: He's put money in the back.

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Speaker 3: Yet Steelers in a row with Dale on the sideline.

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Speaker 4: I wondered he should be back then.

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Speaker 2: Coming over here yelling at us, wondering where Dale is.

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Speaker 2: That's what we love being on site here too.

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Speaker 4: And hey, that's the boy off that golf in no way, man, that's.

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Speaker 2: What that is. Because I heard him say golf. I

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Speaker 2: didn't know. Yeah, that's funny. Danny Smith, of course, the

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Speaker 2: well known high character yelling at our at our table

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Speaker 2: you're you're you're absolutely right when you have that time off.

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Speaker 2: I think that's something everybody can relate to, even Matt.

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Speaker 4: You and I like you need the time off.

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Speaker 2: We'll take one week vacations away from away from what

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Speaker 2: you come back in that first Monday or Tuesday, it's

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: Wait? Okay, what do we normally talk about on Thursdays?

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Speaker 2: That's when we do a Twitter segment and you know.

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Speaker 3: Like these three guys got signed around the league, or

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Speaker 2: Everybody does that when they're away from work for a week,

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Speaker 2: I think it's that's part of the when you're finally

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Speaker 4: Yep, exactly.

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Speaker 3: And I talk about the league and they're so smart

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Speaker 3: OTA's is one of them. Like everyone's like, oh, they're

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Speaker 3: not that much just to really go away and then

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Speaker 3: next week will be so much crazier, you know, mandatory

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Speaker 3: there's that acclamation period, like where you said you've been away.

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Speaker 3: We're not going to just jump into two days backs

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Speaker 3: But that acclamation period's a little bit more like this

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Speaker 3: I always say this, the most overrated thing on the

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Speaker 2: It's a couple and it's mostly guys who might be

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Speaker 4: Right right, right.

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Speaker 2: You know, I mentioned absolutely, absolutely a couple of things

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Speaker 2: The Drive. An absence here our guy Dale Lawley taking

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Speaker 2: another much earned veteran's day just to get himself back healthy.

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Speaker 2: And if you all listen to the show on Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: he was struggling with his voice and everything. So just

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Speaker 2: taking another day off. You'll have myself and Matt.

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Speaker 4: Kind of a job requirement to be able to talk.

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Speaker 2: Kind of a job requirement to be to be able

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Speaker 2: We will have a player guest, as we always do

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Speaker 2: their practice. They've been awesome. Nick was great, We've had Faltanu,

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Speaker 2: really good Jaylen Warren as well too. You know, again,

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Speaker 2: And since this is a special edition of The Drive,

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Speaker 2: here hosting, but it is a Thursday, Matt. I did mention,

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Speaker 4: I've been doing Twitter Thursdays consistently.

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Speaker 2: That's what I was going to say. I know you

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Speaker 2: guys do Twitter Thursdays. Those who listen to you know

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Speaker 2: Matt and I remember no specifics about what they're doing

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Speaker 2: they lost on Sunday, there's plenty to talk about, more

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Speaker 4: But at times, and really during the season, becomes kind

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Speaker 2: Because Monday, you're recapping the game, Tuesday final thoughts on

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Speaker 2: You start turning the page and previewing the upcoming opponent.

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Speaker 2: This time of year met little transparency for the audience.

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Speaker 2: So I was sharing this with you before we went

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Speaker 2: and I'm scrolling through different article you know, local stuff here.

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Speaker 2: What are people talking about? Nationally? What are people talking about?

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Speaker 2: And one thing that I noticed, no matter where you go,

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Speaker 2: is you will find an article talking about a certain

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Speaker 2: player looking to take a step forward after their rookie

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Speaker 2: season looking too. We talk about this a lot, right,

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Speaker 2: You're either getting better, you're getting worse. There's so much

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Speaker 2: in between that dreaded sophomore slump versus the sophomore step forward.

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Speaker 2: We've seen both. We all know examples of both. Every

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Speaker 3: But if you're him or Logan Lee or unfortunately we

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Speaker 2: And and that's another one of those inside baseball to

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Speaker 3: Like there wasn't much of it back then, you know, right, right,

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Speaker 4: No, right, exactly.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot less fundamentals coaching, you know,

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: And again that comes back to you know, scouting backgrounds

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Speaker 3: superstar talent first roundability, but you draft them a fourth

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Speaker 4: He doesn't even know the basics, you know. And so

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Speaker 3: Everyone has to realize their ability to develop talent's different.

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Speaker 2: There's a reason why we talk about those guys, the

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Speaker 2: I think the I think people would like jaw drop

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Speaker 4: Body times a thousand, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean it is six figures, easily pushing over half

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Speaker 4: No doubt.

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Speaker 3: And I think James Harrison's one of the more obvious

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Speaker 4: He was pretty public with it, but him and he

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Speaker 4: Oh right right right ahead of the curge.

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Speaker 3: And sometimes they fly these guys to wherever they're at,

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Speaker 2: And again, they've got dozens and dozens of people to

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Speaker 4: As I possibly can, or boy, i've had a knee

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Speaker 4: And they were kind of right. He was all over

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Anthy Richardson's going through it now. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I mean way advances in technology that you're your plant

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Speaker 2: there's our there's expensive. It's it is, it is. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you talk to any of these guys and it

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Speaker 2: is not cheap. It is not cheap. And that's just

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Speaker 2: you know, that's one element. That's the coach. Then you

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Speaker 2: got the you know, then you got the nutritionist or

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Speaker 2: the trainer. You got your act personal like right right,

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Speaker 2: absolutely might even have your own creation and like a

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Speaker 2: lot of these guys have their own chefs.

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Speaker 4: Right, they're not driving through Mconalds on the way home.

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Speaker 2: The only Ocho Cinco, I think, was the only one

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Speaker 2: who was was able to get away with that, because

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Speaker 2: there are exceptions to every rule. We have to get

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Speaker 2: to a break. But a couple more things on this

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Speaker 2: conversation that I want to get to with Matt as

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Speaker 2: we roll along here. Plenty more to come on day

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Speaker 2: number six of OTAs. Remember we will get to your

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Speaker 2: Twitter questions at some point today as well too, So

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Speaker 2: get those in now, you knuckleheads. As we roll along

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Speaker 2: here in the backyard of the Pittsburgh Steelers, the UPMC

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Speaker 2: Rooney Sports Complex on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Back on the Drive here on the final days of OTAs.

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Speaker 2: We got our usual ten to one schedule today with

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Speaker 2: a player appearance in the early noon hour. We also

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Speaker 2: reminder will be here next week, same time, the same place.

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Speaker 2: It will be many camp right as we as we say,

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Speaker 2: is a little bit different. I mean, it is capital

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Speaker 2: M mandatory for these guys that are under contract. And

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Speaker 2: while the on field portion there's not a ton of changes,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot more that they do in the facility

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Speaker 2: here in terms.

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Speaker 4: Of meetings and things like the scene stuff.

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Speaker 2: Behind the scenes stuff ramps up as well a lot too.

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Speaker 2: That's one thing that Motes talks about as well. Like

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Speaker 2: from a visual standpoint, a ton doesn't change when you

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Speaker 2: switch them in a camp, but inside those walls it

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Speaker 2: certainly does.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's even a thousand times better than me.

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Speaker 3: But I think it's a little more regimented. It's a

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Speaker 3: little more like the season. This is how we do

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Speaker 3: things during the season. Exactly right now, exactly warm up

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Speaker 3: for that the preseason for the season in a way

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Speaker 3: in terms of practice time and all those Doude things

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Speaker 3: you have.

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Speaker 2: All kind of meticulously thought out as we shared.

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Speaker 3: And plus I'm excited to seek a cap and Watt

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Speaker 3: and the guys that I have no problem if they're

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Speaker 3: not here, but they will be here for mandatory mini camp,

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Speaker 3: you know, and.

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Speaker 2: We will be here again, same exach schedule we've had

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Speaker 2: these last two weeks Tuesday, Wednesday Thursday from ten until

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Speaker 2: one right here on your twenty four to seven Home

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Speaker 2: of the Black and Gold, also simulcasting on nine to

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Speaker 2: seventy Fox Sports Pittsburgh, and the horn goes off for

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Speaker 2: a new period. Continue what we were talking about there, Matt,

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Speaker 2: just young guys in development and that that kind of

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Speaker 2: general conversation that we had. We mentioned and it's I know,

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Speaker 2: it's kind of low hanging fruit, but it's also it's

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Speaker 2: one of those topics that football fans like to talk about,

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Speaker 2: is always quarterbacks, right yeah, courfront, and we kind of

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Speaker 2: like mentioned guys like you know you you talked about it,

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Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels, and I mentioned a Bo Nixon there, yeah

502
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Speaker 2: as well too, we talked about c. J. Stroud and

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Speaker 2: his really successful rookie season and last year that wasn't

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Speaker 2: a disaster, but wasn't the stepping forward that everybody I

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Speaker 2: think expected it. You know, I think people were thinking, Okay, here,

506
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Speaker 2: this guy's gonna be a perennial top five quarterback, right,

507
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Speaker 2: you know, for the next decade. It and it obviously

508
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Speaker 2: wasn't that type of lift off. To use a rocket

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Speaker 2: ship analogy for him this past season. Young quarterbacks in

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Speaker 2: the NFL right now.

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Speaker 4: Mm hm.

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Speaker 2: So you know, the guys that have been drafted in

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Speaker 2: the last two or three years, if you were starting

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Speaker 2: a franchise Madden video game style, you got the first

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Speaker 2: overall pick, who you going with?

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Speaker 4: I mean it's still Mahomes and all. Yes, those guys,

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Speaker 4: but I don't think they count. I mean you're talking.

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Speaker 2: About the guys guys still on the rookie contract.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I still think it's Daniels. I mean, yeah, I am.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I'm gonna expecting him to take

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Speaker 3: another step forward this year. Although they put more around him,

522
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Speaker 3: they put it really invested in his offensive line. They

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Speaker 3: grabbed the Deebo Samuel. I think they're gonna be a

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Speaker 3: very offensive heavy football team, which is great, which what

525
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Speaker 3: what exactly what you want to do around that guy?

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Speaker 3: But I'm really impressed with him from the neck up

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Speaker 3: to processing. You know, even his early starts were pretty

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Speaker 3: obvious that if your first read's aren't there, maybe go

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Speaker 3: to two, but just run it, you know.

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Speaker 4: And then by the end of season it was way

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Speaker 4: different than that.

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Speaker 3: He's moving everybody around, he's feeling blitzes, you know, all

533
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Speaker 3: that good stuff. So to me, he still stands alone.

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Speaker 3: Stroud would probably be next. Still, I still think he's

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Speaker 3: a high quality pocket passer, accuracy processing type dude. Then

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Speaker 3: I really am impressed with last year's class overall. I

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Speaker 3: mean that those six that were drafted, I don't have

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Speaker 3: really any reservations about. But I'm smart enough to realize

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Speaker 3: that the year that Lawrence came out, there was five drafted.

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Speaker 4: The year Baker came out with like Allen and Rosen

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Speaker 4: and Jackson and those guys, there were five drafted. They're

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Speaker 4: not all going to hit. Yeah, I mean, I know

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Speaker 4: of the sixth lit in a couple of years. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean, he was a total washout.

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Speaker 3: And what's funny is the Lawrence class, Lawrence lance Fields Jones.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's not looking great. You know, everyone's a

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Speaker 3: you know, quarterback class. So this rookie class does look

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Speaker 3: historic after one year. And I'm really excited about JJ

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Speaker 3: McCarthy because the situation he's going in because he's the

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Speaker 3: one we didn't see, is really favorable. We saw what

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Speaker 3: Darnold did there, so I think he'll be a quality

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Speaker 3: player in that system.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, some good some good wide receivers to work with.

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Speaker 2: What are we yapping about right now? Matt's favorite young.

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Speaker 4: Quarterbacks quarterbacks are on the league.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Pat Fryar is our favorite young quarterback in the

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Speaker 2: National Football League. Asking us what we're yapping about here? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think you're like, I think that is that is

559
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Speaker 2: maybe the perfect nest there in Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: I think it might be the best one out there

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Speaker 3: to put Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, So I'm excited to

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Speaker 3: see how that goes. Chicago to me is so interesting

563
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Speaker 3: because certainly in your lifetime, but really in my lifetime.

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Speaker 2: And had very good quarterback play.

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Speaker 4: The worst the worst, I mean the worst, I mean horrible.

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Speaker 2: I mean Jay Cutler might be the second best quaresquarterback

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Speaker 2: in franchise history. Yeah, he was obviously a capable starting

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Speaker 2: NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 3: But there's so many first rounders after first rounders, and

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Speaker 3: mister Bisky was one of them, and after a while

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Speaker 3: you have to kind of right, oh yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: if you're them, you might have to be like, it's

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Speaker 3: not you, it's me, you know, like is this I

574
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Speaker 3: know it's windy and the field conditions aren't great, but

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Speaker 3: that's not enough to be like every quarterback we ever draft,

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Speaker 3: right thinks you know, So.

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Speaker 2: Those are the conditions in Buffalo too, and Jost good, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, is it just an owner organizational thing that

579
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Speaker 3: they don't bring them along properly?

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Speaker 4: Like after a while, you can't be like it's just

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Speaker 4: bad luck.

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Speaker 3: And I wonder with Caleb Williams, now you go get

583
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Speaker 3: the best offensive mind that was available in Ben Johnson,

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Speaker 3: who's who's perfect for him and is as important to

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Speaker 3: me is they got a new guard, a new center

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Speaker 3: and new guard. I mean, they rebuilt the entire interior

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Speaker 3: the line, so he kind of and in the first

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Speaker 3: two rounds.

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Speaker 2: They've got some high pedigree guys at the tackle position

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Speaker 2: over the last couple of year as well. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: Darnell Wright was what overall.

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Speaker 4: So like Minnesota, that might be a really.

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Speaker 3: Great environment for a young quarterback, at least on paper,

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Speaker 3: but it never has been in Chicago history, you know,

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Speaker 3: fifty years. After a while, there's some teams, the Bears,

596
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Speaker 3: the Jets, you know, the Browns. After a while, you

597
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Speaker 3: go be like, maybe it's you guys. You know, matter

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Speaker 3: who you take, it doesn't work out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I I think that is a fair point.

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Speaker 2: I want your opinion too, along the lines of this

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Speaker 2: conversation of Bryce Young.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned in the last segment, which I was laughing.

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Speaker 3: At before we do, Drake May's I'm infatuated Drake Many. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean from the last year class.

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Speaker 4: I like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's go through You're right, let's go through

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Speaker 2: the last year class too. So Daniels would be one

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Speaker 2: May would be to would be too. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: I think he played with the worst and I was

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Speaker 2: gonna say, he's got the opposite of the good nest.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, he had a terrible nest. He went as his

613
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Speaker 3: nest was on fire, and this was even true at Carolina.

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Speaker 3: Everything went as.

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Speaker 2: He watch him at UNC.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, way to the world on his shoulders, and he's

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Speaker 3: immensely talented. I'm sure he'll have there'll be some roller

618
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Speaker 3: coaster because he's not getting a ton of help.

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Speaker 4: But I would take Drake May, Like, hey, what would

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Speaker 4: Steelers give up for Drake May right now? Whatever you want?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like if they could get that kind of

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Speaker 3: guy in next year's draft. Oh baby, you know so

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Speaker 3: I amn't really high on that last year's class Pennix

625
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Speaker 3: as well, you know, I mean he.

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Speaker 4: Is a gunslinger, not yes, I mean he may end

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Speaker 4: up being Jameis Winston.

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Speaker 3: For better or worse, because he is aggressive and he

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Speaker 3: will chuck it and he's got a great arm, and

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Speaker 3: he is fast, but he doesn't play like a great athlete.

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Speaker 4: He's a pocket passer, but he's fun. He sure is.

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Speaker 3: I like all those guys, but I would definitely go

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Speaker 3: Daniels May off the off the top two.

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Speaker 4: Nix is another one that when he came out, I

635
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Speaker 4: thought he's.

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Speaker 3: That he that he would be that guy we talked

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Speaker 3: about yesterday, the Levis area of early second round, you know,

638
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Speaker 3: and history shows those dudes don't usually work out. But

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Speaker 3: to me, it's just a hand in glove fit. With

640
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Speaker 3: Sean Payton, you know that he's such a quick processor.

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Speaker 3: They throw the backs a lot. He's a way better

642
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Speaker 3: athlete than people realize. And like Pennix, like Daniels, he

643
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Speaker 3: was a six year guy that played a ton of

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Speaker 3: college football level. Yeah, and I'm sure you could help

645
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Speaker 3: me chime in with this too.

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Speaker 4: Like the more football.

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Speaker 3: I'm definitely a believer the more football you play at college,

648
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Speaker 3: the more starts you get.

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Speaker 2: Totally, especially at that position.

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Speaker 3: At that position, I'm just talking quarterbacks. I mean that's

651
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: an old parcels things from the eighties. But now with

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Speaker 3: the money they're getting.

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Speaker 4: Why come out. Yeah, I mean I was shocked at

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Speaker 4: some of these guys taking a pay cut.

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Speaker 2: I was shocked at when you came out to be

656
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: to be a seventh round pick.

657
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 4: He's taking a pay cut to do it.

658
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: He's taken a huge pay cut. Could have easily had

659
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: some big tenor SEC team that would have paid him

660
00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: for five, six, seven million.

661
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 3: I mean if he goes to a Rutgers or a

662
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 3: pit or you know somewhere, well he would he'd get

663
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 3: an opportunity to beat the man the money.

664
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Speaker 2: Money and then maybe, you know, maybe then the next

665
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: year you're a first or second round pick.

666
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: Seventh and going in the seventh. I mean, he probably

667
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: thought he was going to fifth. But still that's not

668
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 3: a good business decision, you know. But so I do

669
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 3: think that's appealing. And boy, we're gonna have a lot

670
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 3: of these conversations between now and next year's draft.

671
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 4: The guys were looking in front of us.

672
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of quarterbacks on next year's draft.

673
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 4: It does look good, but a couple of guys that

674
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 4: are busted.

675
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: And it doesn't mean this is the only reason, but

676
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 3: like I'm talking about former Steelers like Haskin and Haskins

677
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 3: and Trubisky, they hardly played any college football, you know.

678
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,239
Speaker 3: I mean they're like one year starters or ten year

679
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: ten starts, eleven starts. You know, that's a lot different

680
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: than baunet, Nicks and Penix. And it used to be

681
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 3: such a negative that I remember when I was next door,

682
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: you know, Flacco left pit.

683
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 4: You know, boy, he just doesn't want to compete. Well

684
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 4: now it's like if you talk to scouts, they're.

685
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 3: Like, well, I get to talk to the Auburn people

686
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 3: and the Oregon Peach Daniels.

687
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: You got Arizona State and LSU. Yeah, I mean Caleb Williams, Oklahoma,

688
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: and USC.

689
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 3: Cam Ward was at three of them and successful at

690
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 3: every level, more successful each time. But I look at

691
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: it too, like if you show the ability to switch

692
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 3: big schools and adapt, you could probably adapt to the NFL.

693
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 4: Quicker, you know what I mean? Did you go to

694
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 4: a totally new environment and if.

695
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: Your bone and you're at Auburn where it was more

696
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: of a not you know, I'm not saying Auburn was

697
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: running Iowa's offense. Yeah, it was much more pro style

698
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: than when he goes to Oregon in a complete spread

699
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: them out type thing. And you have and you have

700
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: success in both offenses right right.

701
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 4: Right, and a lot more later, you know.

702
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 3: I mean, like if he would have came out without

703
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: going to Oregon, it wouldn't have been he would have had.

704
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: A uners like Michael Pennix. Michael Pennix led Indiana football

705
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: to their best season they had had in generations until

706
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 2: last year. Yeah, you know, winning nine games. When he

707
00:31:58,600 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: did that at Indiana was.

708
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 4: Unhar unheard of him change the program.

709
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: That's like Ohio State losing nine games in a season.

710
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, and then he.

711
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: Goes to Washington and takes them to a National.

712
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 4: Championship Games runner up for the highst winners, and you know.

713
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: We lost the National Championship Game to Georgia. Like, uh,

714
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: there's a lot more data points that you can take

715
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: from all those different people that worked with them throughout

716
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: their collegiate times.

717
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Shuck's a bit of an extreme example with age,

718
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: and like Brandon Weedon was twenty eight when he came out.

719
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 3: But frankly, if the Steelers draft the twenty five year

720
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 3: old quarterback next year or twenty four year old quarterback

721
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 3: next year, I almost prefer that to the twenty year

722
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 3: old if he's been playing football for three more years

723
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 3: or whatever.

724
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 2: It is crazy like cam Woard multiple schools, Jackson Dart

725
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: multiple schools, Tyler Shock multiple schools, Jayln Milroe was whole time.

726
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 4: Tyler Shuck has four degrees.

727
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: They're called doctors. Dylan Gabriel multiple schools, even should Or

728
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: Sanders multiple point, multiple schools, Kyle McCord multiple schools, Will

729
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: Howard multiple Schoolsley Leonard multiple scores.

730
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 4: Pretty much the way you just did.

731
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: Everyone pretty much all of them except for Jaln Milroe

732
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: went to multiple schools. And if we went down the

733
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: year before it'd be the same thing. But Drake may

734
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: would be like the one exception who who stayed at

735
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: the same school.

736
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 4: Becoming pretty common.

737
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: It is becoming very common. And Matt, that's like, that's

738
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: not going anywhere. And I know that that is one

739
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: thing that I think some traditionalists, certainly from a college standpoint,

740
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: but even from an NFL standpoint, like I don't you know,

741
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: I don't want to see guys jumping around. You know,

742
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: I get it, and I get that too, But yeah,

743
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: that's that's not going away. In fact, it's it's only

744
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: going to continue.

745
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 3: I mean, as people know, and I mean you'd be

746
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 3: heartbroken if WVU recruits this quarterback, develops him. He turns

747
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 3: into like a Heisman runner if Major Harris would have

748
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 3: left before his great.

749
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: Year, even like a Jordan Addison situation with with that

750
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: next stor you developed that guy. He wins the Polittanical

751
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: and it's not like he was a five star recruit

752
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: coming out. You did all the hard work, you did,

753
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: all you did, all the all the hard work. He

754
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: wins the Bolittanikoff Trophy and then and then he's on

755
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: the much money he's off usc for for for a

756
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: nice a nice well weather upgrade and financial upgrade there

757
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: at Southern California. Uh yeah, I do think we're getting

758
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 2: closer to there being parameters around that in college where

759
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: the guys are gonna have to make commitments like, Okay,

760
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 2: if you're gonna get this, you know, three million dollars

761
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: from us, there's gonna have to be a two year

762
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: contract involved, you know, and different things like that. It

763
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: should and I think, you know, that is something that

764
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: is in the house right now being discussed by you know,

765
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 2: real people with law degrees and and things like that,

766
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 2: and what they can and can't implement around contracts and

767
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 2: the same thing that they do in the professional sports

768
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 2: leagues that has now obviously infiltrated the college games as

769
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: well too. Last one, before we go to break, I

770
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: did want to get your thoughts on Bryce Young. We yeah,

771
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 2: you said in the previous segment when we were talking

772
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: about development, and I laughed because Arthur Motes says this

773
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: all the time too. Development's not always linear. Sometimes you

774
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: take them times you take three steps forward and then

775
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: step back, and then you take two steps forward and

776
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: then three steps back, and then you take five steps

777
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 2: forward and maybe a step back. But as long as

778
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: that development is still linear, that is, or not linear.

779
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 3: But but Uppert cheer start making money as long as

780
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: you're on a upper shill going up, Now, that's what

781
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 3: you want.

782
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 2: I think Bryce Young kind of he's a good example

783
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: of like this progress has certainly not been linear. No,

784
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: but I think there's still a lot there to like

785
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: there is.

786
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 3: And one says one thing too before we get to him,

787
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: is I do think the state of the young quarterbacks

788
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 3: in the league it's pretty rich and fruitful. They won't

789
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 3: all hit and a lot of them will go backwards

790
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 3: or get an injury or you know, get replaced or whatever.

791
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 3: We know that a lot of bad things in store

792
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 3: for some of these names he brought up. But I

793
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 3: do think the you know, the first year contract quarterbacks

794
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 3: around the league is a pretty rich crop. And it's

795
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: certainly a talented crop. And it's a Mahomes influenced playmaking crop.

796
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 3: It's not drew bledsoe just dropping back. But you know,

797
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 3: when these guys are athletes and they're playmakers. As for Young,

798
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: I'm always going to be very prejudiced against his size,

799
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 3: and I think it will hurt him now and all

800
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 3: the time. It still hurts Russell Wilson, you know. I

801
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 3: mean there's the things they don't see. There's you know,

802
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 3: speaking of big pocket passers, I mean Ben's ability to

803
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 3: shrug off Terrell Suggs and be a big roa tree Josh.

804
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: Allen take a HELOADI not a fist of the face,

805
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: right and.

806
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 4: Keep on ticking like that.

807
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 3: Stuff matters as well as you know, playing seventeen plus

808
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 3: games year after year, can your body hold up as

809
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: much as the two hundred and forty pounds six y

810
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 3: five guy. So that always worries me with the young

811
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 3: and that's why I like Stroud better than I'm coming

812
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 3: out to be honest. But I give him a ton

813
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 3: of credit and people rave about him from the neck

814
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 3: up and you can see it. He's a really quick

815
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 3: process or two he'll throw over the middle, even though

816
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: he is a shorter guy. And I thought he was

817
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: going to a disaster organization and they look that way.

818
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 3: And frankly, this is another conversation new owners, which new

819
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 3: owners doesn't happen off it, but like Tepper's kind of

820
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 3: a new owner. Yeah, and absolutely he didn't make his

821
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: money doing football. I think he was just shiny new

822
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 3: thing let's go get that shining, you know, like they're

823
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 3: just very reactive organization. But these past couple of years

824
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 3: they've invested in no line and stuff around Young, and

825
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 3: they had the worst defense on the planet last year

826
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: because they put all their resources on offense, which was

827
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 3: smart because the only thing that matters is right right,

828
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 3: you gotta know. And when he got benched, he should

829
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: have because he was a disaster. And then he comes

830
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: off the bench and he learned, you know. I mean

831
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 3: it was like I think he looked himself in the

832
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 3: mirror and realized, Okay, that was good for me, a

833
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 3: little bit of pressure off my shoulders to a much

834
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: lesser degree that happened to Richardson last year. He got

835
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 3: benched and came back and looked better than before. I mean,

836
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 3: I think he's far from being out of the woods,

837
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 3: but I think Young's pretty much out of the woods.

838
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 2: You know.

839
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 4: I think he'll be a top twenty quarterback now.

840
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: Is that he's a viable starter in the Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

841
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: and improving rapidly. And again neck up is his assets.

842
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 3: He has a lot of playmaker to him as well.

843
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 3: He says they have a lot of physical traits.

844
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 2: He's got the he's got the brain. Yeah, you just

845
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 2: wish he had the body as well too. Then he

846
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 2: then he then he would have the potential to be out.

847
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 4: And every day when he wakes up, he's going to

848
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 4: be five eleven.

849
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: You know that's not gonna change unfortunately. You know, around

850
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: that eighteen nineteen year old mark, you don't.

851
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 4: Do much no growing, So I wonder you get wider,

852
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 4: just not taller. Yeah.

853
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: Are they happy with him? I mean, they gave up

854
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: a lot to trade up. Are they going to give

855
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 3: him a contract when that time comes.

856
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: Because it's the same thing that you were saying with

857
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: with Roger Jones. They're getting close to having.

858
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, these things are coming soon, you know.

859
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 3: But he is improving, and I give him credit that

860
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 3: he's not a washout bust that he looked like for

861
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 3: a while there, you know. But he'd be lower on

862
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 3: my list than some of those names of the guys

863
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 3: from last year. Yeah, or at least take the yeah

864
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 3: of who I'm if you could throw one on the

865
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 3: Steelers right now, you know what I mean? He might

866
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 3: be my eighth or ninth choice of the right of

867
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 3: the first year or you know, first round guys from

868
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 3: you know, first year contract.

869
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: The right right, right, yeah, Well, Schuler Matt Williamson, it's

870
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: a special edition of the Drive here on the final day,

871
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: day six of OTA's as it is another clear, hot

872
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Speaker 2: of three here today on day six of the STEELERSTA phase.

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Speaker 2: This is the final day of OTAs before that mandatory

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Speaker 2: mini camp begins next week. West Shuler, Matt Williamson with

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Speaker 2: you here. Our buddy Dale LOLLI getting another much deserved

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Speaker 2: veterans day off, but he is optimistic that he will

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Speaker 2: be back in ready to roll next week as well. Matthew. Interesting,

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Speaker 2: you and I in our you know, and I peeled

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Speaker 2: back the curtain on this for for everybody too. We

889
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: you know, had a few minutes of conversation about like,

890
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: all right, what exactly do we want to tell We're

891
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: at the end of the week. You know, we got

892
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Speaker 2: to come up with some content pieces here, and one

893
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: of the things we said was that we would go

894
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: around the division today. I will tease that now. We'll

895
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: do that in the next hour. But we got a

896
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Speaker 2: few minutes here, and I think this kind of transitions nicely.

897
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Speaker 2: ESPN just posted ranking the NFL's most likely worst two

898
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Speaker 2: first teams for the upcoming season. Ok So, since the

899
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: NFL went to the eight to four team division format

900
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 2: in two thousand and two, so about twenty three years ago,

901
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 2: twenty five teams in those twenty three years have gone

902
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 2: from worse to first in their division in a single season.

903
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: Guessed same here. Yeah, yeah, none last year, but in

904
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. The Texans are the most recent examples.

905
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: And stroud stuff the relevance that we were just talking about. Yep.

906
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: So they rank all the eight teams that finished last

907
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 2: in their division in their likelihood to bounce back from

908
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 2: that by winning their division. Number one on their list,

909
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: not a huge surprise. I don't think it's the San

910
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 2: Francisco forty nine ers.

911
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was said the Niners. I thought they were fourth.

912
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure, but I mean they just thinking about

913
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: draft war.

914
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: They were six and eleven last year.

915
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 3: Crushed by injuries, but they lost a lot in free agency.

916
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 3: What's really weird to me, and people might be shocked

917
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 3: by this that I do think Cole Shanahan's a good

918
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 3: head coach, and I think he's a great offensive mine

919
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 3: play designer, all those things. I think that reputation is

920
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: very warranted. But he's been the head coach of the

921
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: Nine or the Niners now for eight years. He has

922
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 3: eight seasons in the books. Half of them he's won

923
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 3: double digit game. The other half he's.

924
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 4: Lost double digit game.

925
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: It's feast fan.

926
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 4: It's all or nothing with that team, and part of

927
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 4: it's like an.

928
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: NFC championship game or it's top ten.

929
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: Packs and they've been to Super Bowl and they're right,

930
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 3: I mean, but then they think Bosa second overall the

931
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 3: next year, and you know, so it's real feasts or famine.

932
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of that's because the roster

933
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 3: is so top heavy. They don't have a lot of

934
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 3: middle class.

935
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 2: When you lose, when you lose mc affrey and I

936
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: you can Trent Williams.

937
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 3: I mean, all of a sudden, we don't know nothing,

938
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 3: we don't have you know, the middle class guys. But

939
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: still they're capable of winning double digit games again.

940
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 2: And they also have, according to f P I, the

941
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: easiest schedule in the National.

942
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's by far, sorry sorry, but it's by

943
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 4: far the easiest. And their travel is not bad.

944
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: They have some travel stuff that works in their some

945
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 3: rest stuff that works in their advantage. So yeah, I

946
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 3: think they should be first on the list. I would

947
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 3: probably pick the Rams right now though in the division. Okay, yeah,

948
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 3: I mean I'm not sure I'm picking any of these

949
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 3: teams right now, but likelihood to go worse the first sure.

950
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 4: And they're also a winning organization.

951
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely no, absolutely, uh via Las Vegas. They do have

952
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 2: the best odds to win the division, but just ahead,

953
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 2: just ahead of the Rams, I'm.

954
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 4: Sure because of the schedule.

955
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 2: Number two on the list is the Chicago Bears.

956
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 4: That's the toughest division in the league to make, which.

957
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 2: Is yeah, with some teams and the Packers and the

958
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: Lions and the Vikings that have been winning double games

959
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: consistently for a.

960
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 4: Long time, really well coached team.

961
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: Could you see one of them taking a step back

962
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: this season, of.

963
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: Course, but all three, all three to the point where

964
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 3: where the Bears can go past them. I mean, I'm

965
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 3: not saying they shouldn't be second on the list, because

966
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 3: going worse to first is hard, you know, And we're

967
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 3: gonna have some the ones at the bottom of the

968
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 3: list are gonna have even.

969
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: Up here, right, We'll see, like what the teams at

970
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: the bottom of this list.

971
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess if the conversation were was,

972
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 3: of the eight teams that came in last in their.

973
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 4: Division, who's the most improved. Maybe the Bears are number

974
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 4: one there.

975
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, fair, it's fair, and if we talk

976
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 3: about coach and roster additions and draft and all that.

977
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 4: But I also think something's missing with that organization. I mean,

978
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 4: they got to prove it to me.

979
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 3: And Johnson is a really good offensive mind, like Shanahan,

980
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 3: but first time head coaches usually don't do well.

981
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 2: It's a hard job, it absolutely is. There's there's certainly

982
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: some some learning curve there too.

983
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 3: I probably would still pick them. I would probably still

984
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 3: pick them fourth in that division, I think so. But

985
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 3: I think it's the best of vasion Letely, they could

986
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 3: be right.

987
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 2: I mean they could go eight to nine, yeah, and

988
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: yeah still be fourth in that division. Patriots number three

989
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: after going four and thirteen last year. A lot of

990
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 2: it is the belief in Drake.

991
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 4: May Yeah, I get that.

992
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 3: And they've done a lot to their roster anyway, and

993
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 3: they've done a ton to their roster. They've had a

994
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 3: lot of draft picks, they spent more money in free

995
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 3: agency than anyone.

996
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 4: I rave about the quarterback.

997
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 3: But if you were to look at this through the

998
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 3: opposite lens, what first place team is most likely to

999
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 3: run it back as the number one?

1000
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 4: I'd picked the Bills, Yeah, because.

1001
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: I just think that the other three is struggling.

1002
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 4: So that's what also works. The Patriots advantage is, yeah,

1003
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 4: yeah they won.

1004
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: You got ticked on one team, right, two? Three?

1005
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 3: Like they could be better than the Jets, they could

1006
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 3: be better than the Dolphins. They're trending the right way.

1007
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: I'm not sure those two teams are. But can you

1008
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 3: knock off the Bills?

1009
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: Probably not?

1010
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 4: Probably not.

1011
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a pretty tough, tough.

1012
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 4: Josh Allen injury for that to have top.

1013
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: Dog UH Saints at number four. And I think a

1014
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: lot of that is just because the NFC South is

1015
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: a weak division, but you think, I.

1016
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 3: Think the Bucks are one of the most underrated organizations

1017
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 3: going Every year they seem to win the division a

1018
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 3: wild card, right, I mean, they made the Brady move

1019
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 3: not that long ago, won a Super Bowl. Well coached,

1020
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 3: they spend money, you know, they revitalize Baker, they take

1021
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 3: a lot of real high character guys. They're not easy

1022
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 3: to knock off the podium in the South because I mean,

1023
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 3: I don't think Carolina and Atlanta is great, but I

1024
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 3: think the Saints might be the worst team in the league.

1025
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 4: And they're probably they're they're hitting the reset button big,

1026
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 4: big time.

1027
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 3: I mean, they don't have a lot of talent to

1028
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: begin with, They've maxed out their credit cards. They're probably

1029
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 3: going to start a second round rookie quarterback. You know,

1030
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 3: they would not be third for me.

1031
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 2: No, or fourth, but but still yeah, yeah, because third

1032
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: was the was the Patriots. Fifth is the Titans. And

1033
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: this is interesting one to me because they are at

1034
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: a you know, rock bottom starting over type situation if

1035
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: you will, just pick of the draft and right, But

1036
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: I also don't think they're in a crazy intimidating division either.

1037
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 3: Right, could they get past the Jags and Indie possible

1038
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 3: Ward wins Rookie of the Year and you find out,

1039
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you got a guy there. Maybe

1040
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 3: they overspent on Dan Moore, good for him, but they

1041
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 3: now actually have an offensive line because of their two

1042
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 3: off seasons worth of addition. So that makes all the

1043
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 3: sense in the world. I just don't know if they're

1044
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 3: a talented enough team to win any division.

1045
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 2: Yet you know they're they're still really optimistic, they're still rebuilding.

1046
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 2: Similar conversations are going to be had about all these

1047
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 2: teams that we're getting too. Yeah, sure, Las Vegas at six,

1048
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 2: though they I might have had them a little bit.

1049
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 2: The division is such a thing. But of a lot

1050
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: of these teams that we mentioned, I think we might

1051
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: like there, at least the ones that are in the

1052
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 2: bottom half of this list. What they're working with, I

1053
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: love what I know. You're a big Geno Smith fan.

1054
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 2: I mean, don't have to talk to me about my guy,

1055
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: right right.

1056
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 3: They might be my favorite offseason because when you think

1057
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 3: about the important things.

1058
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 4: They add Brady to the ownership group, which even late in.

1059
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 3: Al Davis's life, wasn't what it was in the seventies

1060
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 3: and eighties, and you know what I mean, like they

1061
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 3: that was a problematic area. A new GM who I

1062
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 3: think is really really good from the Bucks organization, Pete Carroll,

1063
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 3: who's probably a Hall of Fame coach. Then they go

1064
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 3: get the highest paid offensive coordinator in NFL history from

1065
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 3: Ohio State, and then they get a quarterback who's a

1066
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: legit dude. So like the five most important things in

1067
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 3: any organization all got way better, you know. So they

1068
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: still have a lot of holes. I mean, I mean

1069
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 3: they're back seven on defense is terrible, but gent is

1070
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: going to get them all time right right right right.

1071
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 3: The defensive line that gets Wilkins back, and you know

1072
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 3: he was a high priced guy. That's a good front.

1073
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: Like the Raiders are one of those. If they were

1074
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: in the right division, I think could could be pretty

1075
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: high on this list.

1076
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly. But are they going to be the Chiefs?

1077
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 2: You know?

1078
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 4: I mean the Chiefs are like five and one or.

1079
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: Six and h were a playoff team last year.

1080
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 4: Just look at the coaches not division now.

1081
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: Barball now too in LA there's three or four Hall.

1082
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 4: Of Fame coaches not division and they all have quarterbacks now,

1083
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 4: and that's just a tough ass.

1084
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 2: I think it's kind of a similar to the Bears conversation.

1085
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 2: If you're asking me, do I think that team's improved, Yes,

1086
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: very much so, but that's not going to be enough

1087
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 2: in their division.

1088
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 3: It's one of the few offseasons where I'm like, now

1089
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 3: I understand what the Raiders are doing. A lot of

1090
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 3: times I'm like, I don't get what this is do

1091
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 3: at all, and it's been.

1092
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 2: Right besides moving to Vegas, right, Number seven is the

1093
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: New York Giants. Of course, in the division with the

1094
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 2: Ranning Super Bowl champion Eagles, they only have a three

1095
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 2: point three percent chance of winning their division according to Vegas.

1096
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: Tough schedule, not a ton of talent. They have tough divisions.

1097
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 2: I mean, both teams that were in the NFC Championship

1098
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: Game last year are in their division.

1099
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 3: Right, So even if it's just Russell Wilson all year,

1100
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 3: they'll be better at quarterback. It's not the Veto and

1101
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,959
Speaker 3: those type of dudes. And their best offensive lineman missed

1102
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 3: almost the entire year. Thomas Neighbors is going to be

1103
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 3: a star. Their defensive front is awesome, you know, with

1104
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 3: Lawrence and now Abdul Carter, they're good. Yeah, and they

1105
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 3: just don't get the credit, and they'll get a chance

1106
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 3: to rush the passer with leads and things like that.

1107
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 3: And I actually think their defense will be in the

1108
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 3: top half of the league. So they're another team I

1109
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 3: think definitely improved, even if Dart doesn't do anything. But

1110
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 3: I'm sure at some point he's gonna get out there

1111
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 3: and you can at least see what he does. It's

1112
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 3: just the schedule looks so horrific, And are they really

1113
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 3: gonna beat the Eagles?

1114
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

1115
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 3: Like I could see the Washington taking a step back

1116
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 3: and not being even a playoff team, but they were

1117
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 3: final four team last week, as you mentioned, and Dak

1118
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 3: Prescott comes back, we might be looking at none.

1119
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 4: Worse the first this year.

1120
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: We might legit chances right.

1121
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 4: All right, because we're gonna get the AFC North here.

1122
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: Last and dead last. This will warm everybody's heart, just

1123
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: like to see them at the bottom the barrel.

1124
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Cleveland.

1125
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: Browns, who have just a two point seven percent chance

1126
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 2: of winning their division according to Vegas, just a nine

1127
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 2: point eight percent chance of making the playoffs, and the

1128
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 2: current favorite to land the first round draft pick or

1129
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 2: the first overall draft pick part of me here in

1130
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh about ten months from now.

1131
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 4: Oh man, that can be added to some drama here.

1132
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 4: I think the Saints are next.

1133
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 3: I knew it was the Browns or Saints or the

1134
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 3: odds on favorite to get the first overall pick, but

1135
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 3: the Browns have a much suffer schedule. Giants have the

1136
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 3: toughest schedule in the league. The Browns is the second worst.

1137
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 3: You know, so not a lot of favors there.

1138
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 4: What's your guest.

1139
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 3: They got Gabriel, they have Sanders, they have Kenny, and

1140
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 3: they have Flacco. And I guess Watson's back throwing. But

1141
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 3: I don't say yeah, I'm going to operate that he

1142
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 3: never plays, at.

1143
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 2: Least not in September. Right, if they're a disaster, do

1144
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: they throw him in around Halloween time?

1145
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 4: Maybe?

1146
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 3: So, Like my question is, how many quarterbacks do you

1147
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 3: bet they start this year? I would yeah, And that's

1148
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 3: even if everyone's healthy. I mean, that's like pooling guys

1149
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 3: gets hurt week one, you.

1150
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 2: Know, because I think we will see both Kenny and Flacco.

1151
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Flacco starts the season, but he's a

1152
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 3: wild card and he's so old, you know, what do

1153
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 3: you gain him by doing that, that one's gonna be

1154
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,720
Speaker 3: clamoring for one of the rookies to get out there sooner.

1155
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 3: And they actually gave something up for Kenny. They didn't

1156
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 3: just pick him up for right, and they see something.

1157
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 2: An important angle to the Browns discussion too, is they

1158
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 2: are not a team starting over with the first year

1159
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 2: head coach, no his hot and so if it's okay,

1160
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco and Kenny pickt are going to give me

1161
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: the best chance to win, to go five hundred. Yeah,

1162
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 2: that's that's where I'm gonna go.

1163
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 3: And they just invested in Miles Garrett where they could

1164
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 3: have traded him and really blew the thing up. Correct,

1165
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 3: You know, they're they're living in a tough world. And

1166
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 3: they do have the Jags first round pick next year

1167
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 3: and their pick, and so.

1168
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 2: That could be another top ten, top twelve.

1169
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, the two really early picks, you know.

1170
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 2: But then by here Pittsburgh, man, that would be a set.

1171
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 4: That's pretty crazy.

1172
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 3: You thought about the Browns getting first overall pick here

1173
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 3: in the North Shore. You know, Okay, you ready for

1174
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 3: this too, but they should be last.

1175
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 2: Imagine like ten months from now, I'm gonna paint you

1176
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 2: a hypothetical drafts happening over on the North Shore. Yea,

1177
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,479
Speaker 2: Browns have the first pick and they take Penn State

1178
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 2: quarterback Drew Aler first. Overall, all the conflicting feelings and

1179
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 2: emotions there the Steelers and the Browns, And wouldn't that

1180
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 2: wouldn't that be a scene about ten months from now

1181
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: across across the river. But yeah, I'll go with three three,

1182
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: three different starters, maybe maybe four who uh you know,

1183
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 2: end up we end up seeing four of those guys

1184
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 2: someone you know, like halfway through a game. Dylan Gabriel

1185
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: goes in type of thing. Yeah, but three different starters.

1186
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 2: I'll go with this season, I.

1187
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 3: Bet at least three quarterbacks throw passes this year at least,

1188
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 3: and I might get even set the line at three

1189
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 3: and a half.

1190
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 2: I think that's fair. That's a good way to put it. Starters.

1191
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll go three, but guys that are going to

1192
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 2: throw meaningful passes A well meaningful that's a I guess

1193
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 2: we interpreted or could throw real passes in games. I'll

1194
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: go three and a half.

1195
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 3: What could screw us up, though, is what if they

1196
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 3: don't keep all four? You know, like most teams don't

1197
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 3: keep someone keep two.

1198
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 4: I mean sure. I mean to me, that made it.

1199
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 4: It's so weird.

1200
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 3: We talk about this a lot, you know, like how

1201
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 3: do you allocate snaps in this environment in next week

1202
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 3: in mini camp, in training camp. The Browns make no

1203
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 3: sense to me with how they allocate their quarterback snaps

1204
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 3: because it black On needs the least. But he wasn't

1205
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 3: with the team last year, and he's your opening day starter.

1206
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 3: He needs to throw to Judy and the Joku and

1207
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 3: all those guys.

1208
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 2: Like you said you gave up some stuff for Picket,

1209
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 2: you want to see him. Absolutely got two rookies that

1210
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: you want to see, right, why do you draft two?

1211
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 4: You know, like how do you get all those guys

1212
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 4: the work they need?

1213
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 3: And meanwhile you're probably setting yourself up to take one

1214
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 3: with the first overall pick next year too, Like it's

1215
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 3: it makes no sense to me. And I know we'll

1216
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 3: talk more stuff around the league, but the fact that

1217
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 3: they didn't draft an offensive lineman crazy is just malpractice.

1218
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: Let's uh, we'll stay with that. We'll stay with the

1219
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 2: AFC North when we return for the second hour of

1220
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 2: the show special edition of The Drive, West Shuler and

1221
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: Matt Williamson here on location for the final OTAs practice

1222
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 2: at the upmc rooney Sports Complex On Steelers Nation Radio

1223
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network,