1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Did you know a recent law can leave your personal 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: data exposed online for anybody to find. If you've turned 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: on the news lately, you know the internet has created 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: a dangerous new world. It's time you take back the 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: power by using a new website called truth Finder. Have 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: you been issued a speeding ticket, received a lean from 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: the I R S? Did you forget about embarrassing social 8 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: media profile? That info may already be online. Truth Finder 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: can help you find it. Truth Finder searches millions of 10 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: public records, assembling the data together in one report. 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For the ladies who were brutally rap in 21 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: this crisis and sleep better tonight. He isn't coming through 22 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: the window. He's now in jail and his history. Imagine 23 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: hearing a shuffling in the middle of the night, is 24 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: dark in your room, and you keep listening and it 25 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: goes away, and try to get back to sleep. You 26 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: hear it again, and you look up and a man 27 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: is standing at the foot of your bed, and you 28 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: are locking eyes with none other than the gold and 29 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: State Killer we now know has murdered at least twelve 30 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: and raped fifty one over a ten year reign of terror. 31 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for 32 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: being with us. The Golden State Killer, who has eluded 33 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: police for years, who has terrorized women by waking them 34 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night, binding, gagging, raping, murdering, 35 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 1: very often taking the male companion being husband or boyfriend 36 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: to a different room, tying them up, placing a stack 37 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: of plates on the husband's back, and if he moves 38 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: and the plates fall, he kills the wife, even attacking 39 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: one woman brutally in bed with her taught son in 40 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: bed with her. This man, now revealed to be a 41 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: former cop, arrested a name by police as the Golden 42 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: State Killer. His reign of evil is over. I Meancy, Grace, 43 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Alan. 44 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: What do we know? Nancy. Former police officer Joseph James DeAngelo, 45 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: seventy two years old now was arrested at his California 46 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: home after DNA linked him to the crimes attributed to 47 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: the so called Golden State Killer. He's now been charged 48 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,119 Speaker 1: just initially with eight counts of murder, but prosecutors say 49 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: he could face dozens more charges and arrest warrant was issued. 50 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: A complaint was filed charging that individual with two counts 51 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: of murder with special circumstances for the murder of Brian 52 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: and Katie Maggiori here in Sacramento. In February, in Ventura County, 53 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: we have filed capital murder charges against Mr de'angelo for 54 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: the March night murders of Lyman and Charlene Smith. Our 55 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: complain alleges two counts the first degree murder, the three 56 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: special circumstances, namely multiple murders, murdered during the commission of 57 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: a rape, and murdered during the commission of a burglary 58 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: August nineteen night. The defendant, Joseph D'Angelo, is accused of 59 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: brutally murdering twenty four year old Keith Harrington and twenty 60 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: eight year old Patrice Harrington in their Data Point home. 61 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: He's also accused of raping and sexually assaulting Patrese. On February, 62 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: the defendant is accused of raping, sexually assaulting, and murdering 63 00:04:53,560 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: year old Manuela with him in Irvine. Years later, on 64 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: May four, D'Angelo was accused of raping, sexually assaulting, and 65 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: murdering eighteen year old Janelle Cruz in her home. The 66 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: break in the case came as detectives determined. Detectives got 67 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: a sample of DNA from something that d' angelo had discarded. 68 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: The Sacramento Sheriff won't say what that item was yet, 69 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: and it was not enough to make a conclusive DNA match, 70 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: but it did show enough similarities for investigators to go 71 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: back and get more that did lead to what they 72 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: call a conclusive match. Over the last few days, as 73 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: information started to point towards this individual, we started some surveillance. 74 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: We were able to get some discarded DNA, and we 75 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: were able to confirm what we thought We already knew 76 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: that we had our man, and yesterday afternoon, in a 77 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: perfectly executed arrest. My detectives arrested James Joseph t'angelo, seventy 78 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: two years old, living in Citrus Heights. I can tell 79 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: you that although it was d NA ultimately that led 80 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: us down the right road, there were a lot of 81 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: places that road could have led. You know, the d 82 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: n A actually got us to a road, but the 83 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: road had many destinations possible destinations. UM. I can first 84 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: say that even backing up from the d n A, 85 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: that we would have never got to a d n 86 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: A sample or ability to compare it without the dog 87 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: and determination of the detectives on this case. So it's 88 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: not like it ultimately would have come to us anyways, 89 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: That's just simply not the case. This was a true 90 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: convergence of emerging technology and dog and determination by detectives. 91 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: So once we got information that led us to a 92 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: general I mean, it's almost like the d A pointed 93 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: us east, so we could exclude north, west and south, 94 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: but we still had to do a lot of investigative 95 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: follow up and drilled down from that direction of east 96 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: until we got to this person. He did a lot 97 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: of exclusions of other folks, got this person that looked 98 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: like he might be our guy, and then we're able 99 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: to get at least an initial um discarded DNA sample 100 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: that gave us more confidence that this was our person, 101 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: and we're able to continue and get a better, more 102 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: workable sample of DNA. I'll just say at this point 103 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: it was discarded DNA sample. D'Angelo served in the U. S. Navy. 104 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: He was a police officer in Exeter, California. That's in 105 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: the San Joaquin Valley newspaper. Reports from the time say 106 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: that D'Angelo was fired from the Auburn, California Police Department 107 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: in nineteen nine after being arrested for steely a can 108 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: of dog repellent and a hammer from a drug store. 109 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: He was convicted of theft and find a hundred dollars 110 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: and it cost him his job as a police officer, 111 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: ending his law enforcement career. Ten of the slayings in 112 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: the and the Golden State Killer series occurred after he 113 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: was fired, all of them in southern California. California law 114 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: enforcement now estimate fifty rapes in the county's Sacramento, Contra Costa, Stanislaus, 115 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: San Joaquin, Alameda, Santa Clara, Yolo. We think commanded by 116 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:24,239 Speaker 1: the so called Original night Stalker. That's fifty at the least, 117 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: DNA conclusively linking him to eight murders. Other murders linked 118 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: by m O. Investigators suspect that the same man committed 119 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: three other murders too, and Rancio Cordova and Bassalia. It 120 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: goes on and on and on. In fact, he's got 121 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: so many murders and rapes he even has different monikers 122 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: going by East Area rapists, the Golden State Killer, the 123 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: Original night Stalker. Joining us now one of the Golden 124 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: State Hiller's victims, the fifth victim who managed to live 125 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: to tell the tale. Author of Frozen in Fear, A 126 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: true story of surviving the Shadows of Death, Jane Carson Sandler, 127 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: who tells her tale of fear and survival. Jane, thank 128 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: you for being with us. Thank you Nancy for having me. 129 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: I'm right now, just struck with knowing how close you 130 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: came to being murdered. Something about you was different from 131 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: his murder victims. Tell me what happened. Well, I was 132 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: six thirty in the morning and my husband had just 133 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: left for work. I heard the garage door closed and 134 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: the next thing I knew, there was someone running down 135 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: the hall with a flashlight, and I yelled to my husband, 136 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: what did you forget? And it wasn't my husband. It 137 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: was n with a ski mask, holding a flashlight and 138 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: a large butcher knife. And just before this and ran 139 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: down the hall, my son had gotten in bed with me, 140 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: my three year old son. So um, we were snuggling 141 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: when this monster arrived at my bedside and he uh. 142 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: You can imagine the fear that I was experiencing at 143 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: this time, especially being that my son was next to me. 144 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: So um. He had on a ski mask and black 145 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: leather gloves, high top black sneakers, and that's all I 146 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 1: really knew, because his face was covered with ski mask 147 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: with just slits for his eyes. And then he proceeded 148 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: to anytime I tried to say something, he would say 149 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: with clenched teeth, shut up, shut up, or I'll kill you. 150 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: Shut up, shut up, shut up, or I'll kill you. 151 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: So um. Then um, he proceeded to say he just 152 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: wanted money, which was of course a lie, and he 153 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: uh then he gagged both of both my son and myself. 154 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: He blindfolded us and he tied us our ankles and 155 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: our wrists with shoelaces. And then the most frightening part 156 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: about the whole ordeal was when he moved my son, 157 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: And then I knew that I had no idea why 158 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: he was moving him. Of course, where was he taking him? 159 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: I had no idea and uh. And then when he 160 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: um untied my ankles, then I knew what he was 161 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: there for. I don't even remember the rape, because all 162 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: I was concerned with is where did he put my son? Um. 163 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: He also had this um, this ritual of tearing sheets, 164 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: tearing towels, and I had no idea what he was 165 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 1: going to do with those. You know, what was he 166 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: going to hang us? What? What was he going to 167 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: do strangle us with the sheets with these? Had absolutely 168 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: no idea, And again the fear that I was experiencing 169 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: was just overwhelming. He eventually, thank the Lord, put my 170 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: son back next to me. And I don't know why 171 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: he had moved him in the first place. It was 172 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: probably because he wanted more room on the bed, or 173 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: I don't think it was because he was being a 174 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: nice guy. I just think he needed more room to operate. 175 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: And then as we're tied up, gag blindfolded, and he 176 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: went in the kitchen and started um rattling pots and pans. 177 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he was cooking something, but he 178 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: opened the refrigerator and again was making a lot of 179 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: noise with these pots and pans. And they need to 180 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: come back in the bedroom and threaten us again and 181 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: say don't move. If I hear anything, I'll come back 182 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: and kill you. So we laid there. I laid there 183 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 1: probably about thirty minutes, trying to hear if I could 184 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: hear if he was still in the home. And I 185 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: was finally able to get my blindfold down a little bit, 186 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: and I realized it was light coming through the window, 187 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: so I was able to look over at my son, 188 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: and he was asleep, and I woke him up, and 189 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: I said, we've got to get out of here. We've 190 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: got to get out of here. So hobbling down the 191 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: hall to the front door. We couldn't get out because 192 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: there was a chair blocked up under the door knob. 193 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: And then we went around to the kitchen and the 194 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: screen door was opened, the sliding door. So hobbled around 195 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: to the front gate, screamed for a neighbor, and then 196 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 1: went into the neighbor's home and she called the police 197 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: from there. Carol Daily, my angel showed up and took 198 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: me to the emergency room. There were three mail policemen 199 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: that showed up initially to speak with me, but I 200 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: had no desire to speak to those men. Um. But 201 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: when Carol arrived, she was so caring and so loving, 202 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: and I just felt so safe with her. So she 203 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: took me to the emergency room and stayed with me 204 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: for about oh well over an hour before she had 205 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: to leave. There were no cell phones back at that time, 206 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: so it's not like she could, you know, check in 207 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: with her partners. So UM, I was alone during the 208 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: rape exam, which was done by a mail and at 209 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: one minute I was laughing and joyful that I was 210 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: alive and my son was alive, and the next moment 211 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: I was sobbing, But oh my god, what had just 212 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:39,119 Speaker 1: happened to us? So that was a very unpleasant experience. 213 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: The rape exam, the shot of penicill and the shore 214 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: I didn't have a venerial disease. And then the morning 215 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: after pill so I didn't get pregnant, um, and then 216 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: I had to go home to a home that I 217 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: that um that I felt so violated and I hated. 218 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: So that's my story, and that's the news to print. 219 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: But that was over forty years ago and uh home 220 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: almost forty two now, and I have to say that 221 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: I'm not sorry it happened to me, Nancy. I'm not 222 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: sorry at all. I really think that the Lord had 223 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: chosen me to be victim number five because new eventually 224 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: I would turn my mess into a message and by 225 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: helping other women on reaching out to others, that I 226 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: would glorify him. So I am really um grateful and 227 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: I've met so many amazing folks through this journey. Just 228 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: it's just been amazing. So my my goal now is 229 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: just to reach out help other victims and let them 230 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: know that they're going to be okay. Um, they just 231 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: the most important thing they need to do is go 232 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: and get help, Go to a rape crisis center, talk 233 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: to someone that's been through something similar, because they will 234 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: remain a victim if they keep their fault the secret. 235 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: Because as we say in a A, we're all as 236 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: sick as our secrets, and the moment we start to heal, 237 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: the moment that we're heard, in the moment that we're validated, 238 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: it is time for all victims to grieve and to 239 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: take measure one last time to bring closure to the 240 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: anguish that we've all suffered for the last forty and 241 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: some other years. It is time for the victims too, 242 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: begin to heal. So long overdue for law enforcement. Bravo, bravo, bravo. 243 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: Did you know about a recent law that could leave 244 00:16:55,760 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: your personal data exposed online for anybody to find? If 245 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: you've turned on the news lately, you know the Internet 246 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: has created a dangerous new world. Data breaches exposed private information. 247 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 1: There's a new cybersecurity threat every other day, and criminals 248 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: can sell the identity of you and your family on 249 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: the dart Web. It's time you take the power back 250 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: by using a new website called truth Finder. 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He's 267 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: been called by Celia Ransacker, the original night Stalker, and 268 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: the Golden State Killer. Today it's our pleasure to call 269 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: him dependent. We have brought justice to the victims and 270 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: to their families in this case, through this arrest and 271 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: ultimately through the prosecution. Justice was delayed in this case 272 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: from six but we are here now and the prosecution 273 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: of this defendant will occur. For those of you just 274 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: joining us, the incredible arrest after decades of terrorizing women 275 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: and families, the arrest of one of the most prolific 276 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: serial killers our country has ever known, the Golden State Killer, 277 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: who turns out to be none other but a former cop. Listen, 278 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: he is an ex officer, a police officer in two 279 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: different agencies, one in the Exeter Police Department, which is 280 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: down in Visalia from approximately nine to nineteen seventy six UM. 281 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: That was roughly during the time as the Vicelia Ransacker 282 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: cases were occurring. I can then say that he applied 283 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: for and got a job with the Auburn Police Department, 284 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: was employed there from roughly nineteen seventy six to nineteen 285 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: until he was fired. Well, very possibly he was committing 286 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: the crimes during the time he was employed as a 287 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: peace officer, and obviously we'll be looking into whether it 288 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: was actually on the job or whether it was, you know, 289 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: something that by on the job, I assume you mean 290 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: during the time he is employee doing yet I don't 291 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: know that yet, but obviously that's a question that we're 292 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: gonna want answer as well. Jane Carson Sandler one of 293 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: the Golden State Killers victims, the fifth victim who managed 294 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: to live to tell the tale. Author of Frozen in Fear, 295 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: A True Story of Surviving the Shadows of Death. Jane, 296 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: your book is incredible. Frozen in Fear, a True Story 297 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: of Surviving the Shadows of Death. Jane Sandler, does your son, 298 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: who was then three at the time and with you 299 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: in bed when the Golden State Killer intruded. Does he 300 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: have any recollection of this? He um. I didn't actually 301 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: talk to him until he was in college, Nancy. When 302 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: I did tell him, he remembered that we had a 303 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: robber in the house, but other than that, and he 304 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 1: remembers he was moved and where he was moved. I 305 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: don't know whether it was back in his bedroom, whether 306 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: it was on the floor next to the bed, I 307 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: don't know. And I just wonder if if there's any 308 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: underlining ETSD going on there. I have no idea he's 309 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 1: he's doing so well, and uh, we don't really talk 310 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: about it very much, but he's doing really well. Thank you. 311 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: What does he do today? He's in the military. He's 312 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: a lieutenant colonel. Wow, aren't you proud. I'm very proud, 313 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: very very proud. Yes, very proud with me. In addition 314 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: to Jane Carson Sandler or Paul Haynes, who researched the 315 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: book I'll Be Gone in the Dark, and Billy Jensen, 316 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: who an investigative journalist who went through all of Michelle 317 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: McNamara's raw chapters to put together her book I'll Be 318 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: Gone in the Dark. To Paul Haines, now I know 319 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: there are many murders linked by DNA, murders linked by 320 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: m O method of operation, as well as nearly two 321 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 1: hundred crimes. Listen, the answer was and always was going 322 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: to be in the DNA. Okay, we knew we could 323 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: and should solve it using the most innovative DNA technology available. 324 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: At this time, we had no idea that this killer 325 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: was connected to so many other crimes. But thankfully, with 326 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: the advent of DNA in the late nineteen eighties, our 327 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: understanding of this case, its depth, it's complexity, it's geographic reach, 328 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: and the sheer scope of violent crimes changed forever. We 329 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: recognized at that time we were dealing with a serial killer. 330 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: UM the terms of the type of DNA, the only 331 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: thing we're prepared to say at this time is that 332 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: it was linked through DNA, using current and innovative techniques 333 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: to do that. M As for the other crimes that 334 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: we know in California, as your live that you've been handed, 335 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: there's many of them that match by DNA. It is 336 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: the same DNA as those that have been charged in 337 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: the Venture case UM as Mr Tawton mentioned, but those 338 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: that they just haven't been charged yet, and we're just 339 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: having gone to that point. This is happened at a 340 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: very lightning speed, is what I would say to Paul Hanks. 341 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: Could you clarify for me how they are linked. Sure, 342 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: all the crimes in northern California were linked at the 343 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: time by m O is a very distinct m O. 344 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: It was clear that all of those crimes were the 345 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: work of the same offender. UH was investigated in the series, 346 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: and there was public knowledge of the series to the 347 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: point of hysteria. In Southern California, the links were not 348 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: as clear, and aside from the Santa Barbara crimes, which 349 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: were clearly recognized as a series, each crime was investigated 350 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: by a different agency, and some agencies disagree on whether 351 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: or not there were connections at the time, and after 352 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: ten years passed from the last crime, which was the 353 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: murder of Janelle Cruz in Um, the DNA links began 354 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 1: to emerge once the Orange County Crime Lab and the 355 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: Ventura County Crime Lab began to re examine their biological evidence. 356 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: By two thousand one, links had been established among six 357 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: of the crimes in southern California, and those crimes were 358 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: linked by DNA to the East Area rapist series in 359 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: northern California, as biological evidence had been preserved from three 360 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: of the rapes in Contra Costa County, but those three 361 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: rates were strongly linked by m O to the rest 362 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: of the series. They're all indisputably the work of the 363 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: same offender. Almost speechless at the number of crimes, rapes 364 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: and murders this guy has committed, committed basically under our noses. 365 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: Guys from Paul Haynes, who researched the book, I'll be 366 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,959 Speaker 1: Gone in the Dark, and that's a very significant title, 367 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna let him explained why this guy's m 368 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: O in case you're saying, well, that could have been 369 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: anybody's not linked by DNA. No, it's this guy. He 370 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: originally targeted women, either alone or with children, Like you 371 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: heard Jane Carson Sandler. Her husband had just left for 372 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: work early in the morning, so early was dark outside. 373 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: You know, he was watching right, But later he came 374 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: to prefer attacking couples. His usual m O was to 375 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: break in and wake up the couple, threatening them with 376 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: a handgun sometimes a knife. They were bound with ligatures 377 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: that he brought with him to the scene, blindfold and 378 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: or gag the victims with towels or sheets that he 379 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: took from the home and would cut into strips. The 380 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: way you heard Jane describe it. The female victim was 381 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: often made. You tie up the man with bootlaces. That's 382 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: consistent with what Jane Samer has just told you before 383 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: tying herself up. In many cases, the tying was so 384 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: tight that victims had no feeling in their hands for 385 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: hours after they were untied. He would then separate them 386 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: and often stacked dishes on the back of the man, 387 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: who would then be faced down, stating that if he 388 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: he the killer, heard the dishes rattle, he'd kill everybody 389 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: in the home. And this is what is so bizarre. 390 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to youth Cheryl McCollum on this. He 391 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: would spend hours at times in the home, ransacking closets, 392 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: going through drawers, as Jane just described, going in the 393 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: kitchen and eating. She said he was banging pots and 394 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: pans so loudly she could hear him back in the bedroom, 395 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: clearly not afraid he was going to be caught, not 396 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: afraid at all. Nathy, he had thought them, he had prepared. 397 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: Not only would he bring things liv him, but after 398 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: he selected the home. He would leave pools around the house, 399 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: he would leave windows unlocked. He was the most organized 400 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: rapist I think I've never studied. We also believe that 401 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: he may have traveled by bicycle to and from his 402 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: car so his car would not be spotted. I mean 403 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: the level of planning involved. To Michelle Cruz, the sister 404 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: of the twelve murder victim, I did not mention this 405 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: to Jane, but to Jane and Michelle, I'm I'm sorry, 406 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly sorry for what you have lived through. Michelle, tell 407 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: us your story. Um, Janelle was killed. N I got 408 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: a phone call so the next day from a friend 409 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: and I have been up in Ma'am with mountain skiing. 410 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: I am moved up there for a couple of months 411 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: for the snow season. And my friend called and she says, 412 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: I think you need to sit down And I said 413 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: why and she says, well, her sister was murdered. And 414 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: I said, I said, my sister got married. She said, no, 415 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: your sister was murdered. And it was really hard to 416 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: process at that time. I I just um, I couldn't 417 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: believe it. I was stuck in a snowstorm. I couldn't 418 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: get how my mom was in Cancoon, Mexico with my 419 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: little brother, and so I just sort of sat there 420 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: alone for the next couple of days in the snowstorm, 421 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: thinking about what she had told me. And it's crazy 422 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: because for the next twenty years I lived in a 423 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: sort of a kind of a bubble. I don't even 424 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: remember what happened. I think I just I don't know. 425 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: I was in some kind of denial or something. I'd 426 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: have these nightmares thinking that she was going to come 427 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: act and oh my stars, Michelle Cruz, you're you're giving 428 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: me flashbacks. After my fiancee was murdered shortly before our wedding, 429 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: for years, I would have dreams that he was secretly 430 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: alive somewhere and that he had just wanted to back 431 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: out of the wedding and didn't want me to find out, 432 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: and that everybody was in on it and I didn't know. 433 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: Then there would be dreams where he would have somehow 434 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: medically be brought back to life. And then there were 435 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: dreams or he would be struck by lightning and be 436 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: brought back to life. There were just so many wild, 437 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: fantastical dreams. I I mean, I'm a j D, not 438 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: an empty but I arm chair figured out that it 439 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: was a way of I guess, of my subconscious trying 440 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: to accept or make sense of, or or grapple with 441 00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: his his senseless murder. And also you said, for twenty 442 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: years you're in a bubble. Can I tell you Let's see. 443 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: Let mean, it was well over twenty years after Keith 444 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: was murdered that I would allow myself to actually be 445 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: in a relationship committed and Mary I would not marry. 446 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: I mean as a result of that, I was died 447 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: in childbirth, giving birth late in life, and my daughter 448 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: almost died. And that is how one of the ways 449 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: that murder in nine nine affected me. I mean decades, 450 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: So there's used chunks of time I can't remember, events 451 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: I can't remember. And so please, no, there's nothing wrong 452 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: with you. It's just it's a hard thing to deal with. 453 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: But I think victims need to your your words, So 454 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: let me stop talking, and you go ahead. It's true, 455 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: it's very, very hard. And the dreams were constant. I mean, 456 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: I had the dreams where she was in the military 457 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: and she just didn't want to see the family for 458 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: a while, and she'd come back in a year and 459 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: she'd hied out with other people. She wouldn't want to 460 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: come home. These are my dreams that I had a 461 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: dream that maybe a couple of weeks later, that a 462 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: man pool guy was walking on the side of our 463 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: yard where our bedroom was, got through our window and 464 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: he was and he would walk. He walked to the 465 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: back of the house to clean the pool, while in 466 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: reality we didn't have a pool um. But you know 467 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: that the guy in my dream, his face was so clear, 468 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: so I thought that, you know, Jenday trying to tell 469 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: me who this guy is. And then there for a 470 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: long time people suspect that it could have been a 471 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: pool cleaner or someone at the pool um. But yeah, 472 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: for a long long time I lived like that, and 473 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: I barricade myself in my bedroom and had always have 474 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: my lights on and things under my door, my my 475 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: door knob so nobody could break in, and dressers up 476 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: against my window so nobody can break in through the 477 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: window because I have something blocking it on the inside. Um. Nowadays, 478 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: I have surveillance cameras and window alarms and all kinds 479 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: of things around my house just to live comfortably. I'm 480 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,479 Speaker 1: never alone. I always have somebody here with me. Jane 481 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: Carson Sandler and Michelle Cruise. Jane a victim of the 482 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: Golden State killer who managed to live. Michelle Cruz the 483 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: sister of the twelfth murder victim. And I hate to 484 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: say it like that, Michelle, because it sounds like a number. 485 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: It's Janelle Lisa Cruz. And Janelle was just eighteen years old. 486 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: She was found bludgeend dead in her home. Her family, 487 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: as Michelle just told you, was on of a cation, 488 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: the mom, the brother, the whole family in Mexico. A 489 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: pipe wrench had been reported missing by Cruise's stepfather, and 490 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: it is thought that is the murder weapon. Janelle was 491 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: viciously raped before her murder. We know that DNA links 492 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: him to Janelle Lisa Cruz's death, and the bloodgeoning death 493 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: with potentially a pipe wrench is so brutal, so brutal. 494 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: Michelle tell me about Janelle in life. Janelle was very vivacious. 495 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: She just had a magnetic personality. A lot of people 496 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: would see her walking down the street and do double takes, 497 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: triple takes. She was just kind of one of those 498 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: people that stood out. And she was very sweet, really sweet. 499 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: But you know, she was one year older than me, 500 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: and so if anyone tried anything on me. She wasn't 501 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: so sweet. So she was also you know, she had 502 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,760 Speaker 1: that fastood side. But at the time that she was murdered, 503 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:22,439 Speaker 1: she was looking for apartments and getting ready to start college. Um. 504 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: She wanted to be a legal secretary, was the last 505 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,879 Speaker 1: thing that she told me. Um. So she was trying 506 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: to get her life together. And I know that they 507 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: found a newspaper on the kitchen table, you know, when 508 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: they had found her, and there was some apartments circled, 509 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: and yeah, she was just getting her life together. I 510 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: wanted to move out of the house, you know, start 511 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: her own thing. And so young and so beautiful, with 512 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: so much ahead of her in life. It's the death 513 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: of someone so young is bad enough, but to think 514 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: they died in such a horrific way is another. Those 515 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: of you just joining us. Finally, police managed to snag 516 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:14,919 Speaker 1: through sophisticated DNA, the so called Golden State Killer, one 517 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: of the most prolific serial killers our country has ever known. 518 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: His name Joseph James D'Angelo Jr. A former cop. This 519 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: defendant has been able to live free in a nice 520 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: suburb in Sacramento. Our team is gonna work hard to 521 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: make sure that he never gets out. Billy Jensen, thank 522 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: you for being with us investigative journalists who exhaustively went 523 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: through so much, so much information to put together Michelle 524 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: McNamara's book, I'll Be Gone in the Dark. Michelle, you know, 525 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: had written so much of this book. You know, we 526 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: call it an obsession in the the subhead of the book. 527 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: She definitely was. I mean, she was all about this. 528 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,760 Speaker 1: She wanted this case solved. And you know, I think 529 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: with with the book coming out and her husband, who 530 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: was the comedian Patton Oswald, going on a book towards 531 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: we really are bringing this story to light and bringing 532 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: this killer to life. To Paul Hainess, researcher on the 533 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,800 Speaker 1: book I'll be Gone in the Dark, what is the 534 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,760 Speaker 1: significance of the title I'll be Gone in the dark 535 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 1: he used He used that phrase or variations on that 536 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 1: phrase with at least three victims, and you know, those 537 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: are words that are designed to inflict terror. I think 538 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: as much as this offender was a killer and a rapist, 539 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: he was also a terrorist, and I think that was 540 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 1: his primary objective was to control and terrorize his victims 541 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: and to hear the phrase you'll be silent forever and 542 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: I'll be gone in the dark. As a threat, that's 543 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 1: bone shilling. That reminds you that you're up against a 544 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,919 Speaker 1: faceless killer who will will slay you and get away 545 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,919 Speaker 1: with it. And I think that everything that he did 546 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: with his victims was designed to play into a specific fantasy, 547 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: that he had a specific script that he was trying 548 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: to follow. And oftentimes victims would report that it sounded 549 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: as though he were reading from a script. And you 550 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 1: mean the phenomena a paraphilia, a sexual perversion or deviation 551 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: where it's all about um situations, fantasies, behaviors, and it 552 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: it that attraction has been labeled as a fetish. The 553 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: fact that you're telling me it sounded like he was 554 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: reading from a script or he would always say the 555 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 1: same words over and over. It almost sounds like the 556 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: movie Groundhog Day, where that you keep reliving the same 557 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: day to try to perfect it. He kept reliving the 558 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: same crime over and over, Paul. And you know, he 559 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: would ask the victim a question, and as soon as 560 00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,879 Speaker 1: the victim began answering, he would he would say chet. 561 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: You know, there was there. He had no interest in 562 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: actually engaging with the victim. It was purely about enacting something. 563 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: And you know, the stalking, the surveillance, this is all 564 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 1: part of obviously a pattern of behavior that was titilating 565 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: to this offender. And you know, when you consider the 566 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:28,280 Speaker 1: exhaustive number of hours that he invested in this activity, 567 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: you know it must have consumed a sizeable portion of 568 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: his life. To Billy Jensen investigative journalists who helped put 569 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: together I'll Be Gone in the Dark by Michelle McNamara, Billy, 570 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: let's weigh in on what his m O tells us. 571 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: What more can you tell us about his modus operandi? 572 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: The most frightening serial killer I've certainly ever ever encountered, 573 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 1: because you know, you think about the serial killers in 574 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 1: history son of saying he was the people were outside, 575 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: you know, they were on Lover's lanes, or the Zodiac 576 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,399 Speaker 1: Keller who spilt but that you know, you can't think 577 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: of anything more secure than being in your own home. 578 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: And you know, I think that's the the idea that 579 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: this guy probably was didn't have power in his life, 580 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: and this is how he was exerting power. You know, 581 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: he had this second life that he was that he 582 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: felt this need to exert his power, this power over people, 583 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 1: and that was what this was about. You know. I 584 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: think Paul really hit the nail on the head there 585 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: that this guy was a terrorist. The sex was was 586 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,799 Speaker 1: definitely part of the motivation, but it wasn't the main motivation. 587 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: Um The sex was being used for powers. I read 588 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: a very old news article from about nineteen seventy seven 589 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: on microface and it said that noise outside may have 590 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: curved this guy that ton. He was referred to as 591 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,840 Speaker 1: the East Rapist now the Golden State Killer. It was 592 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: a group of noisy teenagers hanging out on a corner 593 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: that may have saved a Foothill Farms woman from becoming 594 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: the twenty eight victim of the East Area rapist. The 595 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: sheriff stated that a man believed to be the East 596 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,799 Speaker 1: Area Rapists now the Golden State Killer, who had assaulted 597 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: at that time twenty seven other women, broke into a 598 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 1: woman's home around eleven thirty on a Friday night, tied 599 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 1: her up. The victim, in her thirties, roamed through the 600 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: home about two hours, but then because of the noise outside, 601 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: he suddenly heard a burst of sound by a bunch 602 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: of teen boys. He left. Now We know that the 603 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,799 Speaker 1: husband was not at home at the time, as did 604 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,760 Speaker 1: the Golden State killer. There was a child in the home, 605 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 1: just like Jane Carson Sandler told us. Her three year 606 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: old son was in bed with her, but the child 607 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: slept through the incident. This is chillingly familiar. The resident 608 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 1: chosen for the attack was the second attack and the 609 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:16,799 Speaker 1: same area. Most of the East Area rapes occurred in 610 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: an unincorporated area of the county. It went on and on. Here, 611 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 1: the elements of the m O we're almost exactly the same. 612 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 1: He comes in, the victim is asleep in bed, she 613 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: wakes up. She this woman woke up with a flashlight 614 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,879 Speaker 1: shining in her face, just like Jane Carson Sandler did. 615 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:46,359 Speaker 1: She could not give a description because he had his 616 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: face covered. He moved her from the bedroom to another room, 617 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: the same way he moved Jane's son. I mean, the 618 00:41:54,680 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: similarities are so striking. We also know that he assaulted 619 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:06,280 Speaker 1: a thirteen year old girl after he tied up her mother. 620 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 1: According to this sheriff Paul Haynes, many people don't realize 621 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,400 Speaker 1: a thirteen year old little girl had been one of 622 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,440 Speaker 1: his victims. Yeah, there were there were I think there 623 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 1: were two thirteen year old girls that that had been 624 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,880 Speaker 1: attacked by this offender. I think the last one of 625 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,320 Speaker 1: the last victims in Contra Costa was thirteen or fourteen 626 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,840 Speaker 1: years old. You know, the age range was quite broad, 627 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 1: from early teens to late thirties. And just to address 628 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 1: some of the things that you've you've mentioned, um, you know, 629 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,240 Speaker 1: the srapists did not always go through with the sexual assault. 630 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 1: And in the case of the victim you were describing, um, 631 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,719 Speaker 1: it's likely that he was deterred by the teenagers outside. 632 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,879 Speaker 1: In other instances, it's not quite clear why he didn't 633 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 1: proceed with that element. Um. You know. But again, as 634 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 1: as Jane was saying, Jane didn't actually Jane didn't specifically 635 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,840 Speaker 1: remember the sexual assault. And this is something that crops 636 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: up again and again and the reports in the interviews 637 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,839 Speaker 1: with victims. The sexual assault element itself was rather unremarkable, 638 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: you know, it was the least memorable element in many 639 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: instances of the attack. And you know, these instances where 640 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,879 Speaker 1: the ear as as we call him for short, did 641 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,799 Speaker 1: not proceed with the sexual assault. You know, we we 642 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 1: still look on at those as as her attacks, you know, 643 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,839 Speaker 1: because all of the other elements were present. Let's talk 644 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 1: about the phone calls and the hang up calls that 645 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 1: surround a lot of these cases. Well, can you tell 646 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,399 Speaker 1: me about that, Billy Jensen. Well, one of the things 647 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 1: that he would do is what and there there is 648 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 1: some controversy as to whether they are connected or not. 649 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: But he would call and I don't know if he 650 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,760 Speaker 1: called anybody that that's on this panel, but he would 651 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: call people who if he had attacked. How how could 652 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,080 Speaker 1: that not be connected? It could have been somebody that 653 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 1: knew the person had been attacked and decided to just 654 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,359 Speaker 1: mess with them. Well, there's so many of them, right, 655 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 1: there's so many of the hang up calls and the calls. 656 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: I mean, You've got one victim gets a call that says, 657 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to kill you. I'm gonna kill you, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, 658 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,759 Speaker 1: and it's that same evening. I don't know who else 659 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 1: would have done that. And actually, I'm sorry that that 660 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 1: called that the victim did received. I called the same 661 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: eating she was attacked. She received that call year and 662 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 1: a half after the attack. But other victims had received 663 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: similar calls, but not with the same burbage. Let's say 664 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 1: here I'm reading the transcript of January two. Later that evening, 665 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,880 Speaker 1: the same victim received another call, much more sinister in nature. 666 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 1: The call was also recorded and identified by the victim 667 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 1: as being the voice of the assailant earlier in the evening, 668 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 1: She's going to kill you. Earlier and evening she had 669 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,480 Speaker 1: received the one number call um, but the attack was 670 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,520 Speaker 1: an as prior to that, and you think that may 671 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 1: have been someone pranking her, and possibility, I think most 672 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,920 Speaker 1: likely that was the offender. Okay, because I thought you 673 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,399 Speaker 1: said that they were not connected. I said that there's 674 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,719 Speaker 1: controversy that they might not be connected. You know, I 675 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,760 Speaker 1: think anthy We want to be cautious in our vage 676 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 1: because these are things that have not been conclusively linked. 677 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 1: So let's assume, for for for a moment, that it 678 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,280 Speaker 1: was a crank. To assume or to take as fact 679 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: that that was that was the offender, you know, that 680 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 1: could potentially send you in the direction of a red herring. 681 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,800 Speaker 1: So we believe that it most likely was the offender, 682 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,040 Speaker 1: but we want to also allow for the possibility that 683 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 1: it was not. You know, if you look at the 684 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,480 Speaker 1: again the police reports, you see hang up calls and 685 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,680 Speaker 1: wrong number calls and all sorts of phone calls associated 686 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,360 Speaker 1: with not not not merely the victims themselves, but neighbors 687 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,480 Speaker 1: of the victims, which I think also indicates that rather 688 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 1: than choosing a particular victim, this is an offender who 689 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 1: targeted neighborhoods. And that's really important, Nancy, is that you 690 00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,320 Speaker 1: know the the the when we talk about the m O, 691 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 1: the neighborhood that he chose, particularly when we're talking about 692 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,839 Speaker 1: Sacramento and Rancher Cordova. You know, you can do geographic 693 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,160 Speaker 1: profiling of his attacks. When you've attacked so many people 694 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 1: in an area, you can see that he obviously either 695 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:22,279 Speaker 1: worked or lived in a specific area and or at 696 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,400 Speaker 1: least had a lot of business being there, maybe you know, 697 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 1: had a girlfriend there or something, and would go outside 698 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,680 Speaker 1: late at night and work this area. Because when you 699 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,239 Speaker 1: plot it out of the map, it's pretty clear that 700 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:38,000 Speaker 1: he probably um had something to do with that area 701 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,440 Speaker 1: and was in what a lot of people's figure is 702 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 1: maybe a buffer zone in the middle of where all 703 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 1: these attacks were too. Jane Sandler joining me. Jane, when 704 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,760 Speaker 1: you hear the discussion of the m OS and possible clues, 705 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 1: what do you make of the clues that have been 706 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:02,719 Speaker 1: left behind, particularly all the crank calls, the threatening calls, 707 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,279 Speaker 1: the slurs on women that were in many of the 708 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:11,719 Speaker 1: calls to the crime victims. Many of them state that 709 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,880 Speaker 1: they had a series a spate of hang up calls 710 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:22,480 Speaker 1: and obscene calls and just unusual calls, wrong number calls 711 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,399 Speaker 1: around the time of the attack. What do you make 712 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,080 Speaker 1: of that, Jane, He's just trying to cause more fear 713 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:35,960 Speaker 1: and more terror. I had hang up calls before and after, 714 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,360 Speaker 1: and he never said anything, but he would just stay 715 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,680 Speaker 1: on the line, and I just knew, I just knew 716 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:48,120 Speaker 1: it was him. I did have my phone wire tapped, 717 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:53,800 Speaker 1: but unfortunately they were never able to connect the source. 718 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,919 Speaker 1: But that's just causing, you know, more fear. I did 719 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,000 Speaker 1: have them in my notes that occurred with Take a 720 00:48:01,120 --> 00:49:10,239 Speaker 1: listen to one of his calls that we have obtained. Listen, yeah, now, 721 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,040 Speaker 1: hang up phone calls he was victims seemingly a big 722 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,799 Speaker 1: part of the Golden State Killers. EMO police believe he 723 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,000 Speaker 1: got the victims numbers from burglarizing or casing their homes 724 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,280 Speaker 1: ahead of time. He would call both before and after 725 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,719 Speaker 1: the attack, maybe to figure out his targets, whereabouts or 726 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:35,759 Speaker 1: is Jane is saying to further terrorize the victim. What 727 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,239 Speaker 1: do you make of that? Jane? That again was just 728 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,120 Speaker 1: that was his m oh. That was what he was 729 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,840 Speaker 1: all about, fear and terror. And that's why I named 730 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,400 Speaker 1: my book Frozen in Fear, because that was the emotion 731 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,400 Speaker 1: that was overwhelming. That was the one that that was 732 00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,960 Speaker 1: really stuck out to me. But you know his m 733 00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:59,080 Speaker 1: o of the clenched teeth, speaking through the clenched teeth, 734 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:00,919 Speaker 1: and the shut up up. I mean if he said 735 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,719 Speaker 1: shut up once, he said it, you know, ten times, 736 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,920 Speaker 1: and his his tearing of the sheets, and I mean definitely, 737 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,279 Speaker 1: you know, it was the same person every time, every time, 738 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,759 Speaker 1: every time. And then to you know, follow that up 739 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,200 Speaker 1: when you think that you know, you're beginning to heal, 740 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,320 Speaker 1: and then you get a phone call and it's a 741 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 1: hang up again. Even today, the last time there was 742 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:28,799 Speaker 1: a show UM on TV about this case. UM. A 743 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,800 Speaker 1: few days later, I had five hang up phone calls 744 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 1: one one and UM three three times one day and 745 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,880 Speaker 1: to the next. Now, after forty some years, that really 746 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,080 Speaker 1: frightened me. So we put an alarm system on our 747 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,200 Speaker 1: home just because of those five phone calls, those five 748 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,719 Speaker 1: hang up phone calls. Now, do I think it was 749 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,920 Speaker 1: the easterea rapist? No, but it was a prank. But 750 00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,200 Speaker 1: that prank was enough to really frighten me, and even 751 00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,240 Speaker 1: you know, if the phone rang right now and someone 752 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,759 Speaker 1: were to not even to breathe, that just to you know, 753 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,440 Speaker 1: is it a solicitor or is it the theory rapist 754 00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,919 Speaker 1: or is it you know, just someone that's just trying 755 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,400 Speaker 1: to play with my head? But it never goes away. Nancy. 756 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:20,400 Speaker 1: For the ladies who are brutally great in this crisis scene, 757 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:26,439 Speaker 1: sleep better tonight. He isn't coming through the window. He's 758 00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,600 Speaker 1: now in jail and his history. We are committed, we 759 00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,600 Speaker 1: are determined, and we will God willing hold this man 760 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:42,280 Speaker 1: fully accountable for his crime. Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off, goodbye, 761 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:42,520 Speaker 1: Frank