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Speaker 1: Consistent, and sure enough, a couple of kids showed up

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Speaker 3: That was a man named Bill him as a young

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Speaker 3: The victims in this case are the children, and that

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Speaker 3: For years, people have argued whether or not they got

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Speaker 3: Atlanta Monster. Many people feel that he's guilty. His stories

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Speaker 3: Wayne still claims his innocence, and from our very first

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Speaker 4: I've been incarcerated since nineteen eighty one in connection with

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Speaker 5: I've done several.

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Speaker 4: Interviews over the years, but none have addressed the full

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Speaker 6: And Atlanta and another BONDI was discovered today but twenty third.

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Speaker 7: At Police Task Force headquarters, there are twenty seven faces

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Speaker 5: We do not know the person or persons that are responsible.

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Speaker 2: Therefore, we do not have the money.

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Speaker 3: From Tenderfoo TV in Housetiff Works in Atlanta.

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Speaker 8: Like eleven other recent victrums in Atlanta, rogers are currently.

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Speaker 9: Was a spectator.

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Speaker 7: Atlanta is unlikely to catch the killer unless he keeps

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Speaker 3: This is Atlanta Monster. According to Wayne Williams, the story

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Speaker 3: begins with that infamous night on the James Jackson Parkway Bridge.

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Speaker 3: Wayne first described a rather convoluted story about the timing

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Speaker 10: Fia stillman, Yeah, I got it. He's coming towards him stopped.

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Speaker 10: That's the time in SeaQuest they testified to the New Court.

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Speaker 10: That's the contradiction during that sequest. There's no way any

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Speaker 10: absolute possibility.

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Speaker 3: He's saying that according to police testimony, the timing doesn't

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Speaker 3: the police recruit below the bridge heard the splash, shine

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Speaker 10: That car had to have been traveling the entire time

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Speaker 10: of the sequence. Bottom line is there was no splash.

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Speaker 8: If you take the bridge out of the equation, Wayne

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Speaker 8: Williams is not.

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Speaker 5: In prison right.

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Speaker 3: This is Vincent Hill, a law enforcement analyst and former

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Speaker 8: If Wayne was not on that bridge, either the case

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Speaker 8: would have been solved a different way, or it would

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Speaker 5: They hear splash.

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Speaker 8: Two days later, there's a body found.

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Speaker 11: That morning, while four officers sat quietly under the South

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Speaker 3: Why do you think they stopped your car that night?

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Speaker 10: You gotta remember that was the last night of the steakhout,

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Speaker 3: The police recruit Bob Campbell was stationed below the bridge,

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Speaker 10: And Campbell probably something probably poundering him, and he probably

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Speaker 3: He claimed that most of the FBI statements about the

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Speaker 10: The only confusion in the statements was all of the

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Speaker 11: He tried to persuade the Jerry he really was out

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Speaker 3: The Satan played he fabricated the.

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Speaker 12: Story, but Williams didn't much from it, claiming the woman

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Speaker 3: Wayne said he was looking for a woman named Cheryl

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Speaker 3: that morning. He told the police he was out checking

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Speaker 3: the address that night. Wayne gave police an alleged phone

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Speaker 3: number for Cheryl Johnson, but later when they tried to

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Speaker 3: But Wayne says the FBI called the wrong number and

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Speaker 3: the reason was his handwriting.

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Speaker 10: The number wasn't that four. You will see when you

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Speaker 10: four to three, four boys and my naves look alike

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Speaker 3: So Cheryl Johnson, when did she originally call you? And

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Speaker 10: doing public auditions of my music company over Entertainment. For

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Speaker 10: some of the accidents are because to ask you learned

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Speaker 10: you know, in nineteen eighty, you know, the audists were

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Speaker 10: there was a big address. That's why I went out

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Speaker 3: He said, as a talent scout, you received hundreds of

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Speaker 10: And this is the fun to think about, how why

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Speaker 3: That that makes sense, But why was Wayne out checking

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Speaker 5: That never made sense to me.

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Speaker 8: I mean me being a forty five year old man.

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Speaker 3: Did the FBI or the police ever find her in

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Speaker 10: And I told him it's probably place had because I'm

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Speaker 10: not even sure that's her name. That was just the

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Speaker 8: So maybe Wayne was out getting ready to meet someone

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Speaker 3: Do you regret being on the bridge that night? If

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Speaker 10: Well, paranalymic to you like this, I'm the type of person. Okay,

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Speaker 10: Given time. Everybody said, well do you think it was

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Speaker 10: a conspiracy, but they ought to get you ahead of that. No,

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Speaker 10: that was a conspiracy only after I became a suspect

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Speaker 10: going to take that route home, not even met that night.

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Speaker 10: That was a spur of the minute. The only thing

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Speaker 3: The more do you think that if you didn't go

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Speaker 10: In jail right now, absolutely no question. They had to

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Speaker 10: ask the same questions that you're asking me right now.

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Speaker 8: I wouldn't be bottom line, living in Fort Hood, Texas.

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Speaker 8: My dad was military, you know. Even then that story

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Speaker 8: I remember my mom to this day telling me not

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Speaker 8: Texas and Colleen, because they were killing these little kids.

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Speaker 8: Wayne Williams got arrested and got convicted, and that was

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Speaker 5: Supposedly the murder stopped. And that's what I took it for.

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Speaker 8: You know, as a small child, you know, it's just

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Speaker 8: But as I got older, especially when I became a

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Speaker 8: entire case. First, we can't say that the child murders

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Speaker 8: were solved because Wayne was convicted of killing Nathaniel Cater

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Speaker 8: and Jimmy ray Payne, which were adults. So we still

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Speaker 8: have all of these child murders basically unsolved because you

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Speaker 8: can't say it solved if you only convicted him of

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Speaker 8: killing two people. Wayne's a very intelligent guy. I think

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Speaker 8: Wayne's downfall back then was he embellished a lot.

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Speaker 5: Wayne wanted to be the center of attention.

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Speaker 8: He was calling his own press conferences, which just made

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Speaker 8: him a bigger target than the media.

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Speaker 15: Right.

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Speaker 8: You know a lot of people that were innocent at

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Speaker 8: this would have just said I had nothing to do

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Speaker 8: something totally different that happened.

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Speaker 12: Williams bluntly stated the police version of the now famous

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Speaker 12: driving slow, that he didn't turn around in a parking

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Speaker 12: lot next to the bridge, that he did not throw

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Speaker 12: anything into the river. The state contends that louds splash

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Speaker 12: was the body of Nathaniel Cater heading the water. Although

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Speaker 12: it's still lacked.

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Speaker 3: The essential part of the puzzle.

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Speaker 12: Someone actually seen William's car stopped on the bridge, or

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Speaker 12: better yet, the suspect throwing a body from the structure.

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Speaker 8: Could be something could be, nothing could have been a

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Speaker 8: bird taking off. It could have been a beaver, could

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Speaker 8: have been anything. You got police down there with flashlights immediately,

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Speaker 8: and they see nothing. So that would suggest that Daniel

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Speaker 8: Cator's body as soon as it hit the water, just

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Speaker 8: floated out of sight like a speedboat splash. You shine

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Speaker 8: your lights, now I don't see anything. Why not if

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Speaker 8: it floated down the river and you found it two

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Speaker 8: days later, why wouldn't you see it as it's floating

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Speaker 8: down the river right after its splashed. If you heard

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Speaker 8: didn't you send divers down there immediately.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Blackwelder was there during the trial, so I asked him.

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Speaker 3: He knew about the splash, and.

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Speaker 16: The cadet that was under the bridge heard a splash,

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Speaker 16: and it had flashlights and all that shine around, but

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Speaker 16: they never saw anything, so they don't They said it

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Speaker 16: could have been a beaver because there were beavers in

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Speaker 16: that river.

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Speaker 5: It could have been a beaver.

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Speaker 16: Slapping its tail on the water, or it could have

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Speaker 16: been a body that was throwing off the bridge into

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Speaker 2: But he heard a splash.

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Speaker 3: I asked Popcorn with the FBI, what was his take?

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Speaker 13: Two cadets under the bridge, two regular offices, and chase counts.

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Speaker 13: They were intense underneath the bridge. And the guy that

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Speaker 13: he knew what the sound of a body hitting the water,

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Speaker 13: and he said, that's a body hitting the water. There

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Speaker 13: was a splat, because you know, if you jump up

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Speaker 13: you splat. And that's what he heard.

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Speaker 16: And he looked, you don't say what was in the water,

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Speaker 16: and did never could see anything.

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Speaker 5: Floating in the water.

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Speaker 16: And they brought a hydrologist in from the corp of Engineers,

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Speaker 16: were a lot of beavers in the river. Hipopsis said,

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Speaker 3: Body hating the water sounds like it would be much

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Speaker 3: louder than beaver.

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Speaker 2: We've done that.

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Speaker 17: I did.

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Speaker 2: We did that when I was astrade.

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Speaker 16: We would throw bodies they would be dummies, but wouldn't

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Speaker 16: make sure they didn't wade to shine them out by

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Speaker 8: If it was that the inucator at his stature, wouldn't

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Speaker 8: someone else have heard that.

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Speaker 5: It's like going to a.

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Speaker 9: Pool, right.

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Speaker 8: You may be twenty yards away, but you can hear

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Speaker 8: Wasn't he like one fifty one sixty? It's a loud splash. Man,

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Speaker 8: If they're spread out the way they say were, there's

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Speaker 8: just no way only one person heard it.

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Speaker 1: That was a warning signal to say that danger was around.

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Speaker 5: That's the same me.

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Speaker 1: Weave a state refuge here whenever they are alarmed.

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Speaker 3: I can't help but think a splash from a beaver's tail,

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Speaker 3: it out. The team at house Stuff Works helped me

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Speaker 3: put together the whole experiment. The best option we had

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Speaker 3: Randy would fall like a human body. Accurate weight distribution

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Speaker 18: So what we want to do is drop something off

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Speaker 18: And we've been kind of racking our brains trying to

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Speaker 19: And we've actually gone through many iterations of this. Like

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Speaker 19: You know, we were thinking, well, maybe you know, like

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Speaker 19: things like that, And so we did actually find a

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Speaker 5: It just so.

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Speaker 19: Happens that the dummy that they make has very similar

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Speaker 10: Here he is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah that's without legs.

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Speaker 18: Wow, chunky arms your bat be careful lift with your legs.

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Speaker 8: Oh my god, man.

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Speaker 3: It's it's doable.

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Speaker 19: Brandy's a very large gentleman. He you know, he does

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Speaker 19: weigh one hundred and forty five pounds, and you know,

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Speaker 19: You know, the arms flail and the legs flail, and

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Speaker 2: Which, oh wow, that is yeah, very correct.

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Speaker 19: Wait, ways, you know, if you're adrenaline is up, you're

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Speaker 5: Can't return it if.

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Speaker 2: It's a way, So this is ours.

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Speaker 19: So we all kind of took turns trying to pick

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Speaker 18: Yeah, it's it's not easy. I mean, I Tyler, you

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Speaker 18: could you were able to pick him up? I really wasn't.

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Speaker 18: But yeah, it's way more difficult than you might expect.

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Speaker 5: How close is he in height and weight? To Nathaniel Cater.

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Speaker 19: So the Corners report and some of the other reporting

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Speaker 19: at one hundred and forty six pounds, And the Rescue

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Speaker 19: Randy dummy that we ordered has a height of six

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Speaker 19: It actually fits quite well.

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Speaker 18: The bridge actually straddles two county lines, Fulham County on

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00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 18: the south side and Cobb County on the north side,

444
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 18: so we have to close the bridge down. We have

445
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 18: to get permits from both counties, and.

446
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 19: On that we found out that we also have to

447
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 19: coordinate with the state Department of Transportation. They have to

448
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 19: approve it as well. You know, closing a road down

449
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 19: is one thing, but dropping a body into the Chatthoochee

450
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 19: River is a whole different thing. So we've been coordinating

451
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 19: with Army, Corps of Engineers, the Department of National Resources,

452
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 19: all these different groups to try to, you know, figure

453
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 19: out who we need to essentially get permission from.

454
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 3: Wayne spoke of a child sex ring that was operating

455
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 3: out of a house on Gray Street in Atlanta. He

456
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 3: told me that he believed many of these child murders

457
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 3: were related to this sex ring.

458
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 10: We know that another six cases were involved in a

459
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 10: homosexual ring going on in Atlanta, Black homosexual ring.

460
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 3: Vincent Hill has spent the last several years looking into

461
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 3: this theory too, and he believes it has some serious

462
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 3: merit if.

463
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 8: You look at old records and old police reports. Uncle

464
00:24:55,600 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 8: Tom Terrell, his friend Jerry Thornton, Larry Marshall. Jerry Thornton

465
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 8: told investigators ten of the victims used to hang out

466
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 8: at that house, that they would have sex with little boys,

467
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 8: and mid would come to that house to pay for

468
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 8: sex with these little boys.

469
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 5: So how do you put that on, Wayne?

470
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 11: It's been learned that investigators have now found this man

471
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 11: Tom Terrell and questioned him today about his role in

472
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 11: some type of homosexual ring operated out of this home

473
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 11: in northwest Atlanta. That ring apparently involved the latest child victim,

474
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 11: Timothy Hill, and through recent findings, may have linked together

475
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 11: several other children.

476
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 3: On the task Force list.

477
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 11: Terrell knows this man, Larry Marshall, now in a Connecticut

478
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 11: jail on armed robbery charges. Investigators also want to question Marshall,

479
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 11: but so far he is fighting extradition back to Georgia.

480
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,959
Speaker 11: The next best thing is this man sitting in a

481
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 11: detective's car this morning.

482
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 20: How many of the murdered children have you seen around here?

483
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 9: I'm not ten out, I told.

484
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 20: Jerry Thornton, Larry Marshall's former roommate, identified of the murder

485
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 20: victims from pictures shown him by a police investigator. Children

486
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 20: he's seen in the neighborhood, among them thirteen year old

487
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 20: Timothy Hill, eleven year old Patrick Baltazar, and fifteen year

488
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 20: old Joseph Bell.

489
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 12: This morning, Terrell's house on Gray Street was empty, unlike

490
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 12: recent weeks, when neighbors said at any given time several

491
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 12: boys would be hanging out here. Terrell is an admitted homosexual,

492
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 12: who says one of the victims, Timothy Hill, spent the

493
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 12: night at this house a day before he disappeared, and.

494
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 7: He was here on twelve grades.

495
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 9: Fool to come back on the thirteenth, and that was

496
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 9: my bush.

497
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 21: Geyahdd. I didn't see him, and I haven't seen him since.

498
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 8: Back in the eighties, no one was saying, oh, I'm

499
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 8: openly gay, and you definitely didn't want to be known

500
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 8: as a city that's trading boys for sex. But if

501
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 8: you have ten people that have been identified at one

502
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 8: house where guys were coming in paying these boys for sex,

503
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 8: they were giving them drugs, they were doing all these

504
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 8: other types of things. You have all of these people

505
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 8: coming to this house trading for sex. How do you

506
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 8: put those ten bodies on Wayne Williams? So you tie

507
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 8: all these victims to Wayne, but you can't.

508
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 22: Thirty four year old Larry Marshall, now behind bars in Connecticut,

509
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 22: is a known homosexual. He used to hang around this

510
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 22: neighborhood on Gray Street. Tom Terrell, who was also a homosexual,

511
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 22: said thirteen year old Timothy Hill also used to hang

512
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 22: out here, and Larry and Timothy knew each other.

513
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 3: Larry told you.

514
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 22: He had Timmy over to his house.

515
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 9: Oh he's a game there.

516
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 3: What did they do over there?

517
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 2: I don't know. They don't be doing them with drinking

518
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 2: and talking.

519
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 22: But you do know for a fact that Larry knew Timmy,

520
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 22: he knowed him.

521
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 8: Patrick Baltazar went missing after being seen at the Omney Hotel.

522
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 8: Patrick Baltazar from the Omni to his house to Larry

523
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 8: Marshall's house was about one point eight miles. Baltazar would

524
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 8: have had to pass Larry Marshall's house on his way home.

525
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 8: He's walking home right past Larry Marshall's house. Whose associate

526
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 8: it with this pedophile who's selling these boys for sex.

527
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 12: Marshall is believed to have known at least three of

528
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 12: the victims, Patrick Baltazzar, Timothy Hill, and Joseph Bell, who

529
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 12: was still missing.

530
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 8: If you're ten eleven years old, you say, yeah, I'm

531
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 8: gonna go tell my mom what you're doing. The heck

532
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 8: you are because I don't want to go to jail

533
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 8: for rape of a child, so I'll just kill you.

534
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 8: When Patrick Baltazar was found, one of the witnesses that

535
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 8: morning she said she saw a male white and a

536
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 8: green station wagon, you know, just lurking around like towards

537
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 8: the wooded area where Patrick was found. Who was a

538
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 8: white guy in the green station wagon.

539
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 6: Baltazar was with a ten year old friend playing near

540
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 6: these railroad tracks near the Baltasar home on Foundry Street.

541
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 6: Baltasar's friend told Jack Perry a big man in a

542
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 6: car started following them and tried to get them to

543
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 6: come get in the car with him. Perry taped part

544
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 6: of the conversation with the young friend of Patrick Baltazar.

545
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 21: He take come here, you two.

546
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 23: Lod and Patrick started to in the car. I grabbed

547
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 23: him from my hand. I say, you don't know who

548
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 23: that man is. And then when you've gone underhill he

549
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 23: said I'd be back. Then me and Patrick ran out

550
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 23: and tried to get his tag number, but we couldn't

551
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 23: get it.

552
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 6: They called the Task Force from this phone near the

553
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 6: key shop on North Side Drive, according to the young

554
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 6: man who was with Patrick Baltazzar. But after Patrick and

555
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 6: his friend made the call to the Task Force, they

556
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 6: didn't hang around waiting for police. They split up and

557
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 6: Patrick was not seen again. We don't know if police

558
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 6: sent a squad car to this area, but Jack Perry

559
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 6: says he has learned the Task Force talked with Patrick

560
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 6: Baltazar's friend just two days ago.

561
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 17: I'm sure that the Task Force has the same information,

562
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 17: so I hope it's beneficial to it.

563
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 6: I asked Jack why it would take more than a

564
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 6: month to follow up on talking to someone who had

565
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 6: phoned asking for help, particularly when one of the two

566
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 6: children who had called turns up dead.

567
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 17: It's surprising that they would let this thing go this long.

568
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 17: You know, you want to follow up, Avery lead that

569
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 17: you had, and I think it's just a break down

570
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:02,959
Speaker 17: on communications.

571
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 6: Jack Perry also has learned that Patrick Baltasar may have

572
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 6: intentionally gone back to the area where the man tried

573
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 6: to pick him up because Patrick was a street hustler

574
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 6: and believed he could get the license number and maybe

575
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 6: he could collect the reward.

576
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 8: There's no coincidence that the FBI had Tom Terrell's house,

577
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 8: Larry Marshall's house under surveillance for weeks because of this

578
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 8: alleged sex ring. If you follow the trail, you can't

579
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 8: call the coincidence that Patrick Baltizard lives here, Larry Marshall

580
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 8: lives here, the house where all this sexual activity was here,

581
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 8: which also tied to ten other victims, and you can't say, well,

582
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:44,959
Speaker 8: it had nothing to do with anything.

583
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 5: It's impossible.

584
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: In the many years of Vincent's research, he's found a

585
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 3: recurring story in the FBI files, a story about a

586
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 3: vehicle that didn't belong to Wayne Williams, a blue Nova.

587
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 8: I know there was talk about a blue Nova, which

588
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 8: Wayne didn't drive a Blue Nova. Why didn't police do

589
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 8: a motor vehicle record search to tie this blue Nova

590
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 8: to somebody other than Wayne? The case about the Blue Nova.

591
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 8: The guy had an afro with no glasses. Have you

592
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 8: ever seen Wayne without glasses other than his booking photo?

593
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 8: Have you ever seen Wayne Williams without glasses? Wayne can't see.

594
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 8: So who's this guy with the afro with no glasses?

595
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 8: Couldn't have been Wayne? You know, back then, a lot

596
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 8: of people said every black person looked like we're talking

597
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 8: nineteen seventy nine. I had an afro in nineteen seventy nine, right,

598
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 8: my dad had an afro in nineteen seventy nine. And

599
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 8: who didn't have an afro that was black in nineteen

600
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 8: seventy nine?

601
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 3: Right?

602
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 8: That was pre the Jerry Curl when Michael Jackson made

603
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 8: that famous. People were walking around with afros. So it

604
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 8: very well could have been someone that resembled Wayne because

605
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 8: he looked just like that he had an afro. The

606
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 8: description wasn't a white guy with red hair.

607
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 5: He was a black guy with an afro.

608
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 8: That was probably ninety percent of the black population of

609
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 8: Atlanta in nineteen seventy nine nineteen eighty.

610
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 3: This whole time, I've been wondering if there were any

611
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: kids that got away that were almost abducted, and if so,

612
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 3: were they still around. That's when I met Rodney. He's

613
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: an Atlanta native, a child living here during the time

614
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 3: with the murders. Rodney firmly believes that when he was sixteen,

615
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 3: he was almost a victim of the Atlanta child murderer.

616
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 3: He shared with me his chilling first hand account.

617
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 24: I was fifteen, not old enough to work, but six

618
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 24: Flags accepted a fake idea which you could get downtown

619
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 24: at the time, and put me to work. So I

620
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 24: rode the bus from my neighborhood in Southeast Atlanta to downtown.

621
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 5: There was at the time a Marta.

622
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 24: Direct shuttle from downtown to six Flags, and all it

623
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 24: did was go back and forth from this stop downtown

624
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 24: to six Flags, no other stops in between. I would

625
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 24: change buses, get on the six Flag shuttle, go to work,

626
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 24: get on that shuttle to come back to downtown to

627
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 24: go home, and get on my bus, which was the

628
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 24: thirty four Cresham that particular day. For whatever reason, by

629
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 24: the time I'd gotten off thirty four, aggression walked across

630
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 24: from the end of the line and to the six

631
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 24: Flags shuttle. I had missed it, and as I'm standing there,

632
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 24: this guy approaches me. He was not tall about five

633
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 24: to six ish. He was in his mid twenties. He

634
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 24: was clean shaven, which was unusual for a black male

635
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,479
Speaker 24: in the seventies, and he had a short afrow, had

636
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 24: a fairly soft voice, so he didn't come across very masculine.

637
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 24: He just came off as, you know, a nice guy.

638
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 24: He approaches me and he's he's just basically chatting with me,

639
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 24: asking if I'm okay, Yeah, I missed my bus. You know,

640
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 24: I've got to get to work. And you know, my

641
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 24: recollection is that he almost immediately offers.

642
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 21: Me a ride.

643
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 24: I'm going that way, There's no problem, you want to ride,

644
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 24: drove a Blue Nover. The Blue Nover was was parked

645
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 24: on that same street, just down the block. It wasn't far,

646
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 24: It was just walking down the sidewalk. I got in

647
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 24: his car and off we went to go to six Flags.

648
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 24: From downtown. One would go directly to I twenty, which is,

649
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 24: you know, maybe a mile or so from that spot.

650
00:34:55,120 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 24: What he did was drove on surface streets heading north

651
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 24: away from my twenty. On that ride, as he was

652
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 24: talking to me, he offered me a joint. I had

653
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 24: never done drugs, and to this day, I don't know

654
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 24: if there was anything in it, or I was just

655
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 24: new to that and just had gotten really really high.

656
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 24: I mean, frankly, I smoked marijuana years after that and

657
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 24: very familiar with it. But there was something about that

658
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 24: high that was it wasn't just marijuana, that was something

659
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 24: else in it. During the course of that ride, he

660
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 24: started to fondle me as he was driving over my pants,

661
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 24: and I recalled just kind of staring down at what

662
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 24: he was doing, just not knowing what was going on,

663
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 24: not really communicating with him.

664
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 5: You know, at fifteen I I had no idea what

665
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 5: was going on.

666
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 24: As we continued down Fulton Industrial, I knew that he

667
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 24: would get onto I twenty because we were one exit

668
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 24: away from six Flags. Either he'd get onto I twenty,

669
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 24: go over into Cobb County, drop me off for six Flags,

670
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 24: or he would continue downfalls An Industrial, which if he

671
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 24: passed under our twenty heading south, it was no man's land, industrial, warehouses, nothing.

672
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 24: And as we were at a traffic light, maybe two

673
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 24: blocks from the.

674
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 5: Entrance to I twenty, it was like a do or

675
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 5: die moment.

676
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 24: And as we were sitting at that traffic light, just

677
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 24: out of nowhere, I decided, I'm going to jump out,

678
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 24: and I grabbed the door, unlashed the door and opened

679
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 24: it and tried to bolt out of the car. Now

680
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 24: I didn't have on a seatbelt, but he had the

681
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 24: seat cover over his vinyl seats. It had a hole

682
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 24: in it, and my Afro pick that was in my

683
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 24: back pocket, which was the way we carried him. Then

684
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 24: got hung up in his seat cover. And I'm struggling

685
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 24: at this light to undo myself from this seat cover

686
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 24: as the door is open, trying to escape, and he

687
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 24: didn't try to stop me. He just said to me,

688
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 24: as I'm struggling, and it was the most eerie, sort.

689
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 5: Of calm thing by Rodney.

690
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 24: And I got out of a car and started heading

691
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 24: back in the opposite direction, back up the hill toward

692
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 24: a bank that I knew was the sort of the

693
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 24: last stop for a Marta bus line. I was really

694
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 24: out of it, really disoriented, looking out for him to

695
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 24: see if he had turned around to come back in

696
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 24: that direction.

697
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 5: He didn't. He continued on.

698
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 24: And I basically just laid on the grass in front

699
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 24: of this bank, waiting on a Martina to come, and

700
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 24: finally one did, got on it, went back downtown, got

701
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 24: on another bus to go to a relative's house, to

702
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 24: my aunt's house, and kind of slept it off during

703
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 24: the afternoon, just kind of slept, never told anyone about it.

704
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 24: I am convinced that had I stayed in the car,

705
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 24: we would not have gone onto I twenty. We would

706
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 24: have continued straight south on Fulton Industrial, which you know,

707
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 24: would have led into that no man's land outside of

708
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 24: southwest Atlanta. And I'm convinced that the way that that

709
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 24: happened at that time, that this guy.

710
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 5: Has some responsibility for some of these murders, if not on.

711
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 21: Them, you think that you would have been a victim.

712
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 5: I'm sure of it. It was.

713
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 24: It was an odd, disturbing thing that happened, but it

714
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 24: didn't heard of me until I was an adult and

715
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 24: and and had knowledge of the you know, the child

716
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 24: murders in general. It didn't dawn on me that, hey,

717
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 24: that situation was more than what it seemed to be.

718
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 24: And I started connecting the dogs to other things that

719
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 24: had happened as the years went by, understanding what went on,

720
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 24: you know, what that whole thing about the Atlanta Chilnel

721
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 24: murders was about, and the details of the investigation, and

722
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 24: you know, it became clear to me that my experience

723
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 24: was related to it. You know, by the time I

724
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 24: had that realization, now the investigation was over. You know

725
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 24: we're talking about you know, being in to late eighties,

726
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 24: and so you know, what's the point. What's the way

727
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 24: I thought about it? In my mind, the authorities had

728
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 24: found their man, the person they intended to put it

729
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 24: all on. And you know, what's the point of me

730
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 24: seeking out someone who cared in law enforcement to tell

731
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 24: my story? What's the point of that? So when I

732
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 24: came across this podcast, and you know, you guys were

733
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 24: were looking for information, yeah, I decided to offer. It's like, okay,

734
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 24: I've got something offer here. I I still don't think

735
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 24: law enforcement is interested. I in my mind, I think

736
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 24: they consider this a close case. I could be wrong,

737
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 24: but that was the way I always looked at it.

738
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 24: They were looking to close it and end it then.

739
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 24: And I you know, I know of no one in

740
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 24: law enforcement who would be interested in reopening or re

741
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 24: examining any evidence around this. So you know, why why

742
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 24: spend time seeking out someone who would wanna hear what

743
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 24: I would have to say.

744
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: Do you think the man who beat you up that

745
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: day was Wayne Williams.

746
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 5: No, absolutely not positive of that.

747
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 3: He sounds similar in description, Yes, similar, similar height, same.

748
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 5: Hair, clean shaven.

749
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 24: The photos I've seen of Wayne Williams from that time,

750
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 24: he had blemishes on his face that this guy didn't have.

751
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 24: So j in the shape of his face was different.

752
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 24: This guy was had a slimmer build, more of an

753
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 24: oval shaped face. Different in more ways than he was

754
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 24: the same, I'll put it that way.

755
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 3: The night of our bridge experiment had arrived at around midnight.

756
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 3: We all headed out to the James Jackson Parkway Bridge

757
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 3: and planned to drop rescue Randy right at two am,

758
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: the same time they heard the splash. Ah, do you

759
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 3: hear my voice?

760
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 5: Yeah?

761
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 25: So you have to go to the opposite side of

762
00:41:49,480 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 25: the bridge.

763
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 10: Hey, hey, there you are, This.

764
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 19: Is Tyler over. Do you want me to stay down

765
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 19: here or come back up over?

766
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 21: All?

767
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 12: Right?

768
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 14: So, and Alex gonna come down to you to follow

769
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 14: Pain with the camera.

770
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 19: Okay, I'll stay down here to get him safely to

771
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 19: the spot.

772
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 14: Yeah, that sounds good. So we want to get a

773
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 14: camera on Pain as quick as possible. Then Candler will

774
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 14: have his camera up here and at one o'clock now,

775
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 14: and I'm hoping we can do the drop right.

776
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 21: Into its.

777
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 19: Okay, that sounds good.

778
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 9: Careful, don't it.

779
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 15: Okay, that's right here.

780
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 18: You could pull your truck down where that Georgia power

781
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 18: sign is and then we could at least walk him

782
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 18: up there and get the dumb onto the back of

783
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 18: your truck just to get.

784
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 21: It back here.

785
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 5: Quicker. Does that makes sense?

786
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, we're kind of approaching things as if we

787
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 18: might not get a chance to do it again.

788
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 24: Sketch.

789
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 19: It's I mean, it wobbles a bit, but it's it's

790
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 19: in the play of the joints. I don't think it's

791
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 19: like the bass feels stable.

792
00:43:22,120 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 21: M h kayak body, I'm go moor with Okay, you guys,

793
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 21: get up there up here, back your.

794
00:44:19,120 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 3: Action, okay. Atlanta Monster will be a ten episode podcast,

795
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,479
Speaker 3: So there's four episodes left. Here's a preview of what's

796
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 3: to come.

797
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 26: One of my attorneys, Lynn Watley, received a package on

798
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 26: his doorstep US anonymous package that it contained hundreds of

799
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 26: GBI fials about a classified investigation into White supremacit involvement

800
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 26: in the Atlantic killings. It also contains several tape recorded confessionals,

801
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 26: some of the lands they admitted and they were involved

802
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 26: in the murder of some of the missing and murdered pieces.

803
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 15: I don't want to tell anything because my wife right

804
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 15: now is you're nervous. We've been through this before my

805
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 15: name was put out there and it was a scurry ordeal.

806
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 15: Family spent a few weeks in a hotel, just had

807
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 15: of being scarce. And I don't know you from Adam.

808
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 15: It's a story that I've held on to for a

809
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 15: long time that I've known about. I don't know how

810
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 15: you want to go about this, Dame.

811
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 3: You can always come here to the office that we

812
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 3: have at pont I'd rather not.

813
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 9: You wouldn't think here in this little sleepy town that

814
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 9: he was any kind of monster, or he certainly didn't

815
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 9: act like it until he drank and then he got

816
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 9: the eyes of Charles Manson. I don't know. I don't

817
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 9: know where it should go from here. I know that

818
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 9: there were some wrongs that should probably be righted there

819
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 9: his family still suffering. Anybody out there he thinks that

820
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 9: Wayne Williams didn't do all this by himself, is correct?

821
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 9: If I only know that from the mouth of the devil.

822
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 9: I'm sorry that I did not come come forth.

823
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 3: Sooner Atlanta Monster is an investigative podcast told week by week,

824
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,279
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825
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 3: Stuff Works and Tenderfoot TV. Original music is by Makeup

826
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 3: and Vanity Set. Audio archives courtesy of WSB News, Film

827
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 3: and Videotape Collection, Brown Media Archives, University of Georgia Libraries.

828
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 3: For the latest updates, please visit Atlantamonster dot com or

829
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 3: follow us on social media. One last thing, We've set

830
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 3: up an Atlanta Monster tipline. Anyone with information, leads, or

831
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 3: personal accounts pertaining to the Atlanta Child Murder can call

832
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 3: us and leave a message. The number is one eight

833
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Speaker 3: three three two eight five six six six seven. Again,

834
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 3: that's one eight three three two eight five six six

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Speaker 3: sixty seven.

836
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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, Goss Rason.

837
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 27: Yeah real well no now this uh yeah, that metal

838
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 27: card okay, this metal car.

839
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 5: That was not that was not there.

840
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 16: No, it wasn't there. Huh Now that that was just

841
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 16: a concrete up about this high. Probably, Yeah, you wouldn't

842
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 16: think that it sounded like a I would think that

843
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 16: if I was out there listening, that I could tell

844
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 16: the difference between a beaver and a body. But I've

845
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 16: never heard of beaver hit it, so I don't know

846
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 16: what they sound like. But a beaver's tail wasn't there

847
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 16: as be near as big as the body of a man,

848
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 16: and you would think it could probably tell