WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 112721 Kyle Rittenhouse Verdict Reaction (Part A)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another episode of Civic Cipher. I'my host Ramsay's job.

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<v Speaker 2>Most people call me q Ward.

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<v Speaker 3>There are a couple of people that call me Quintin,

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<v Speaker 3>and I've started to notice the young people call me

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<v Speaker 3>mister Quintin, which is really not sitting well with me.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna have to figure out how to.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I gotta start dressing different or what.

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<v Speaker 3>But I had a couple of twenty something it's called

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<v Speaker 3>me mister Quintin today and I'm like, wait now, wait.

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<v Speaker 2>It's because you can like it's like the crossing signal. Wait.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I'm mister, I don't hold on now, mister. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>mister is my dad. I was not ready. Uh well,

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<v Speaker 2>these were young adults calling me mister Quintin.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey man, you know it's bound to happen, man, so

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<v Speaker 1>uh you know, take it every come. But yeah, man, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>glad to be back in here. What you're doing another

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Civic Cipher. Of course you got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about today. Uh. I got to mix back today,

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<v Speaker 1>mixed bag. Uh. You know, we got to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the written House verdict, Yes, written House Verdict. Last week

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<v Speaker 1>we weren't able to touch on that because of our

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<v Speaker 1>recording schedule and you know the way you know our

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<v Speaker 1>our our airing schedule, but definitely going to dive into that.

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<v Speaker 2>And then of.

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<v Speaker 1>Course we got the verdict from the Amad Aubrey trial

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<v Speaker 1>as well, so we're gonna examine that. Uh So, so

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<v Speaker 1>for those that didn't know, that's why I meant we

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<v Speaker 1>got a mixed bag today and another couple of things

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<v Speaker 1>that I feel are going to be pretty informative our

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<v Speaker 1>way black history. Fact, we're gonna examine the origins of

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<v Speaker 1>policing in this country, and uh lots of other neat

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<v Speaker 1>little things to stick around for. So, like we always

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<v Speaker 1>do at this time, let's not dawdle any further and

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<v Speaker 1>get into some ebony excellence. That sound good to you, Q,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go right. So today we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>a young lady named Deja Taylor. Shout out to the

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<v Speaker 1>whole Taylor gang one time if you don't mind, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll read this briefly. At just seventeen years old, Deja

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor became a nationally recognized scientist by creating color changing

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<v Speaker 1>sutures that detect infection. Her invention was centered around equity

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<v Speaker 1>her main career focus and making this life saving medical

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<v Speaker 1>technology accessible to everyone. And basically what she uses is

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<v Speaker 1>beats and they change colors at different pH levels, and

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<v Speaker 1>what they'll do is they'll let you know if there's

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<v Speaker 1>an infection because of the acidity and the skin versus

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<v Speaker 1>the acidity of an infection or something like that. But

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<v Speaker 1>the long and the short of it is, her research

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<v Speaker 1>project landed her among the top forty finalists in the

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<v Speaker 1>Regeneron Science Talent Search, the country's oldest and most prestigious

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<v Speaker 1>science and math competition PRIGH school seniors, and she's currently

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<v Speaker 1>seeking a patent for her invention and plans to continue

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<v Speaker 1>her research to ensure these life saving sutures help people.

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<v Speaker 1>Desia recently graduated from Iowa City West High School in

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<v Speaker 1>Iowa City and we'll be attending the University of Iowa

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<v Speaker 1>in the fall. And of course she is black and

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<v Speaker 1>so she Yeah, this week's exchame is the truth, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wish you could.

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<v Speaker 3>I was when I was seventeen, rams, I was at Meyer.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if y'all even heard of that story,

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<v Speaker 3>but I was at Meyers trying to find stuff from

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<v Speaker 3>my dorm room.

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<v Speaker 4>This young lady is changing the world as a scientist,

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<v Speaker 4>inventing things to actually change the world, and that I

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<v Speaker 4>was trying to I was trying to find a shower.

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<v Speaker 1>Caddy. Well, that's the reason why we wanted to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure to give credit where it's definitely in eb Any.

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<v Speaker 1>Excellent shout out to Dajah Taylor. So moving on first

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<v Speaker 1>things first, Kyle Rittenhouse, you and I have avoided talking

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<v Speaker 1>this whole week because I knew that you wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>You had a lot of feelings about the written House trial. So,

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<v Speaker 1>in brief, how do you feel about the verdict?

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<v Speaker 5>So we had not spoken about this because you wanted

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<v Speaker 5>the first time I talked about it to be on

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<v Speaker 5>our show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but one thing I did express to you.

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<v Speaker 5>Was that I would not be able to expe rest

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<v Speaker 5>on our show how I.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually feel.

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<v Speaker 6>Because our show has to be able to be broadcast

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<v Speaker 6>on the radio, and some of the things that I

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<v Speaker 6>want to say and some of the things that I.

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<v Speaker 2>Feel would not be appropriate on FCC airwaves. So I'll

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<v Speaker 2>start with saying something that may sound very obvious and simple,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's just that I'm really really disappointed.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm having a harder and harder time being positive, being optimistic,

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<v Speaker 5>being hopeful.

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<v Speaker 2>When I have so much evidence presented to me that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm being foolhearted and thinking that things like justice and

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<v Speaker 2>fairness for to think that there's a level of accountability

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<v Speaker 2>that will ever be prescribed.

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<v Speaker 5>To people like Kyle Ritnhou's okay, and the idea that

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<v Speaker 5>this kid's mother would put him in the car with

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<v Speaker 5>an assault rifle, drive him to a protest, have him

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<v Speaker 5>murder people him, walk by the police with the murder reapon,

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<v Speaker 5>make it home safe and sound, go to trial and

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<v Speaker 5>be acquitted of all charges. I wish I could say

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<v Speaker 5>it was the most insane and ridiculous thing I'd ever

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<v Speaker 5>seen or heard. Unfortunately is not. Unfortunately, before the verdict

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<v Speaker 5>was read, I knew what it was going to be,

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<v Speaker 5>and there shouldn't have even been a chance of that

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<v Speaker 5>being true. You and I had discussions before. When we

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<v Speaker 5>say black lives matter, and when we protest and when

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<v Speaker 5>we ask for justice and fairness, we are not saying

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<v Speaker 5>treat other people more harshly. We're saying, have the same grace,

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<v Speaker 5>have the same understanding, the same compassion, and the same

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<v Speaker 5>empathy for us. And that's why we always draw conclusions

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<v Speaker 5>and give examples of any story like this one where

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<v Speaker 5>Kyle is not a white man, a white kid, but

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<v Speaker 5>a black kid. And we know how that would have

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<v Speaker 5>turned out, because we've seen black kids get murdered by

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<v Speaker 5>police officers. We're playing with toy guns. Kyle rittenhouse, after

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<v Speaker 5>murdering people, got to walk by police with the murder weapon,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think be given a bottle of water and

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<v Speaker 5>be saluted and greeted. And then after murdering people, treat

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<v Speaker 5>it like a hero, going to bars and to clubhouses

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<v Speaker 5>and shaking hands and posing for pictures, throwing up white

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<v Speaker 5>supremacy signs, and then he gets to go to court

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<v Speaker 5>and pretend that he's so remorseful that he can't contain

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<v Speaker 5>his tears. That crying performance he did where there were

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<v Speaker 5>no actual tears, but a lot of noise and a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of performance. When that was not laughed at, right,

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<v Speaker 5>when that was not pointed out as a performance that

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<v Speaker 5>looked ridiculous but accepted as a kid that was really sorry,

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<v Speaker 5>it was very clear to me how it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was going to play out. And I am trying to

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<v Speaker 2>remain as subdued and calm because I think the way

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<v Speaker 2>that we speak about this will only be received if

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<v Speaker 2>it's spoken in this tone, I can't yell and curse

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<v Speaker 2>like I want to, because the level of anger, the

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<v Speaker 2>lingual of the level of discouragement, the level of just

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<v Speaker 2>emotional exhaustion that comes with watching things like this happened

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<v Speaker 2>over and over again, it starts to feel like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so who am I even talking to here? What am

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<v Speaker 2>I even doing here? Are we and people like us

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<v Speaker 2>making any difference at all?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me let me add let me let me

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<v Speaker 1>jump in right here. So for me, I'll say the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. You know, I wasn't surprised by it based

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<v Speaker 1>on how the judge was handling the situation. And then

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<v Speaker 1>now there are people on the other side that said

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<v Speaker 1>the judge was being fair right when but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of examples that suggest that the

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<v Speaker 1>judge might have been partial toward you know, a viewpoint

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<v Speaker 1>that is similar or consistent to those of written house. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But in terms of where do we go from here,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to take a moment on our show because

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<v Speaker 1>this show does exist in the spaces where it exists

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<v Speaker 1>to empower folks who are or have been in the

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<v Speaker 1>past or will be in the future. Allies to black people,

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<v Speaker 1>to brown people, to all people right to fight alongside

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<v Speaker 1>their brothers and sisters a fight that is not necessarily theirs, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And what we see here is I'm saying this just

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<v Speaker 1>to be funny because it doesn't exist. But what we're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing here is white on white crime. The reason why

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<v Speaker 1>it resonates with you and me is because we know

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<v Speaker 1>that those people who lost their lives and the other

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<v Speaker 1>person who was shot, the reason they were out there

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<v Speaker 1>was to protest, was to stand up for the mistreatment

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<v Speaker 1>of black people by the police. And you know, for

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<v Speaker 1>those people to come out there because Jacob Blake was

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<v Speaker 1>shot in the back and say this was wrong. You

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<v Speaker 1>should not do this to these people. These are our countrymen,

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<v Speaker 1>these are our brothers and sisters. For them to show

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<v Speaker 1>up and fight a fight that wasn't theirs and to

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<v Speaker 1>lose their lives on that quote unquote battlefield for us,

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<v Speaker 1>for my son, for my sons, for your son and

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<v Speaker 1>your daughter. I feel like on our show, we need

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<v Speaker 1>to take a moment and salute those people who have

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<v Speaker 1>been are currently and would be allies to black and

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<v Speaker 1>brown people. To acknowledge how scary that must feel, to

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<v Speaker 1>know that the precedent has been set that a person

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<v Speaker 1>who in theory would be a mass shooter, who else

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<v Speaker 1>walks around with an assault rifle, you know, other than

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<v Speaker 1>a mass shooter, you know, or a soldier in a

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<v Speaker 1>foreign country, But that person could end your life for

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<v Speaker 1>standing up for your brother Ramses and your brother q

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<v Speaker 1>Ward and their children. It could end your life and

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<v Speaker 1>walk away from it because of some manufactured sense of

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<v Speaker 1>fearing for your life or whatever the case is. I

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledge that it must be a scary time for our

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<v Speaker 1>white allies and for people whose fight this isn't you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not your fight, And I wanted to say thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>keep the faith, stay strong, and in this moment, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>standing with you. I'm gonna keep that energy. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>you all, you different people, people with turbans, people that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't speak the language, people from all from all walks

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<v Speaker 1>of life out there marching in twenty twenty. I remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>So when one of our soldiers fall, you show up.

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<v Speaker 1>How about this one of your soldiers fall? I show up?

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<v Speaker 1>And I know it's not the same with the ranks,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in terms of you know, white folks or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just kind of a it might feel a little different,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, I'm gonna keep that energy. Nonetheless, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna acknowledge what happened, and I'm going to say that

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<v Speaker 1>my heart goes out to anybody that's feeling a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more scared, feeling a little bit more vulnerable, and

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<v Speaker 1>reminding you how much we appreciate you. Those people that

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<v Speaker 1>lost their lives, I have their names here. Matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>hold on the man with the gun that lived. His

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<v Speaker 1>name is Gauge Gross Cruits. I want to say thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for him, you know, he and you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>funny because you know, on the right they say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing, the only thing that could stop a

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<v Speaker 1>bad guy with a gun is a good guy with

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<v Speaker 1>a gun, and he had a he got shot, he lived.

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<v Speaker 1>We did to have a gun. And so everybody trying

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<v Speaker 1>to villainize that guy on the right, you know, for

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<v Speaker 1>doing exactly what they preach, is that's kind of hypocritical.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was a thirty six year old named Joseph

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<v Speaker 1>Rosenbaum and a twenty six year old named Anthony Huber,

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<v Speaker 1>and they both lost their lives trying to make the

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<v Speaker 1>world a better place, shouting black lives matter. In the

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<v Speaker 1>last few moments of their lives and for me, that

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<v Speaker 1>needs to be acknowledged. And you know, I salute you

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<v Speaker 1>while I have this moment. There's another couple of names.

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, before we had this show, I would,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, do little posts here and there on Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever else, just to make sure that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people knew. And I know that all these people these

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<v Speaker 1>names I'm mentioning. You know. I don't know if my

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<v Speaker 1>voice transcends, you know, to the afterlife, you know, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I want you to know that your life

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<v Speaker 1>is more and your death. But I will say your name.

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<v Speaker 1>Heather Hayer, who was the thirty two year old woman

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<v Speaker 1>who died in Charlottesville when the when the man drove

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<v Speaker 1>his I think it was a charger or a challenger

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<v Speaker 1>or something into a crowd of protesters. This was the

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<v Speaker 1>tiki torch when that day happened in Virginia. I went

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<v Speaker 1>to her college and I saw where she had her

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<v Speaker 1>last moments, you know, and she she was out there

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<v Speaker 1>protesting for black people as a white woman. She lost

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<v Speaker 1>her life that day fighting a fight that was not

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<v Speaker 1>her fight. And I appreciate her and I want to

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<v Speaker 1>say her name on the show. Summer Taylor. She was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four years old when she lost her life and

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<v Speaker 1>she was hit by a car that ran through a

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<v Speaker 1>barricade in Seattle. You remember when folks used to get

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<v Speaker 1>on the freeway and slow down traffic just to bring

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<v Speaker 1>attention to what was happening. You know, she's the one

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<v Speaker 1>that paid for her for that with her life on

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<v Speaker 1>that day. White woman again, Summer Taylor, if my boy transcends,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just I know y'all hear me in speakers

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. I might sound a little crazy, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I salute you, Summer. I appreciate your sacrifice, and I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you know, what you stood for and what you

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<v Speaker 1>felt for, and you deserve to be remembered and acknowledged.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe other folks ain't doing it, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to make sure that you know, we take

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<v Speaker 1>a moment to just say thank you to people who

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<v Speaker 1>are not black who are championing, helping champion a black

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<v Speaker 1>agenda or a fair agenda. You know, it's not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>a black agenda. It's a human agenda. But you know,

0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:34.520
<v Speaker 1>these people pay for with their lives. And again, your

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<v Speaker 1>life is more than your death. Anyway, back to Rittenhouse,

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<v Speaker 1>So now that we've acknowledged you know what's happened there,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna take you through the things that I felt

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<v Speaker 1>were kind of funny. Style. So the jury has one

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<v Speaker 1>black person, and I know in that part of the country,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's not the population, doesn't you know, skew that way,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know the court system, you know, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot you know. The thing is, courts systems are wildly

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<v Speaker 1>inconsistent across the board. You know, we're talking about this

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<v Speaker 1>day because you know, in the next half of the

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<v Speaker 1>show we have to talk about them ade Aubrey, which

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<v Speaker 1>for most folks who see the world the same way

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<v Speaker 1>we do, would say that that's a desirable outcome. But

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<v Speaker 1>the jury has one black person, you know. The the

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<v Speaker 1>judge said that the prosecutors could not refer to deceased

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<v Speaker 1>victims to the deceased as victims, but the defense could

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<v Speaker 1>refer to them as arsonists and looters, which may or

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<v Speaker 1>may not have been.

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<v Speaker 2>True and rioters.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, you know, so that that shows you a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of bias there, I mean, to me, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of bit of bias. So I mean, I'm just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to be a little conservative because they got a long list.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the picture paints itself when the judge dismissed

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<v Speaker 1>the underage weapons charge because of a hunting exemption. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe this man was out there hunting, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>but that no, he was hunting, but you know, hunting animals.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm trying to say.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's why you drive across state lines with an

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<v Speaker 7>AR fifteen to hunt.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>The crazy thing is that I forgot what the defense said,

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<v Speaker 1>but they said something to the effect of or sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecution. They said something to the effect of, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't claim self defense from a like a an incident

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<v Speaker 1>that you created, you know, And this guy's.

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<v Speaker 7>Run up on somebody with your gun. Yeah, they defend

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<v Speaker 7>themselves and you shoot them and then say that's self

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<v Speaker 7>defense for you, and and and then when you frame

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<v Speaker 7>them of the country member. This is twenty twenty. Now

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<v Speaker 7>we're two years after. You know, they're being a mass

0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:11.359
<v Speaker 7>shooting every week. But when we're one year passed it,

0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:13.960
<v Speaker 7>everybody was waiting for the next one, and a lot

0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.520
<v Speaker 7>of us in the streets was like, yo, one of

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<v Speaker 7>these dudes is going to show up with a with

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<v Speaker 7>an AR and try to mow us down. Out here

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<v Speaker 7>marching with these signs, right, So I know that that's

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<v Speaker 7>what these folks had to be thinking as soon as

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<v Speaker 7>they saw this kid with his hat turned back, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>and is ar fifteen walking around the streets. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 7>he's going to start killing people. We need to take action, right,

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<v Speaker 7>And then that's exactly what the right suggests that you do.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, the only thing that could stop a bad

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<v Speaker 7>guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

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<v Speaker 7>Or you know, if I would have been there, I would.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you know. So it's it's it feels very unfair.

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<v Speaker 2>And then another thing, of the men, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>men who tried to stop here from killing people, is

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<v Speaker 2>now being charged.

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<v Speaker 1>See I didn't even know that. Oh okay, I'll save

0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:12.400
<v Speaker 1>that for another show. Well man, we well listen. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Well back to the judge. So the judge's phone it

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<v Speaker 1>rang with God Bless the Us. Say. This is something

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<v Speaker 1>that they talked about in a lot of the articles

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<v Speaker 1>it you know, it's a very patriotic ring ring tone

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<v Speaker 1>rather and you know, we talk about that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>on this show. You know, we're Americans, proud to be

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<v Speaker 1>American until we get around some like people. That's like

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<v Speaker 1>to the n degree American, and you start feeling a

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<v Speaker 1>little uncomfortable because they have a different sense of what

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<v Speaker 1>America is than you know, folks like us. We feel

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<v Speaker 1>like America is where we live. They feel like America

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<v Speaker 1>is where they live and where we have encroached upon

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<v Speaker 1>their you know, something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Think we think America is where we live and where

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<v Speaker 2>we're from. They think America is who they are.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for saying that.

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<v Speaker 2>Very very different mindset.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that would have never got it that good. He

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<v Speaker 1>nailed that. And so when you hear that the judge

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<v Speaker 1>has this really ultra patriotic ringtone, okay, that tends to

0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:15.840
<v Speaker 1>be associated with folks who are very conservative, very right wing,

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<v Speaker 1>right leaning First Amendment, Second Amendment, you know, those sorts

0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:33.120
<v Speaker 1>of folks. And it feels like the judge really fixed

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<v Speaker 1>this trial up to give him the best possible outcome.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, there was a lot that people made

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal out of. Okay, they drew names for

0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:48.919
<v Speaker 1>the jewors from hat to whatever. The judge was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you I do that every trial. You know, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of things that they tried to pick apart with

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<v Speaker 1>the judge and he was like nope, I'm consistent across

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<v Speaker 1>the board. He was allowed to hide behind that. But

0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:01.000
<v Speaker 1>these things I think should have made a much bigger

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<v Speaker 1>deal out of it, because I think those really helped

0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:05.680
<v Speaker 1>paint the picture of Okay, are we going to see

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<v Speaker 1>some accountability here or is this a child he was

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<v Speaker 1>at the time going to be able to murder people

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<v Speaker 1>and get off with it, And you know, they're championing

0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:21.320
<v Speaker 1>this guy like he's just the second coming. And the

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<v Speaker 1>crazy thing about it. As soon as he got released

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<v Speaker 1>he was like, yeah, man, I'm a big fan of BLM,

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, really, you know, it could have

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<v Speaker 1>fooled me. He was out there with an AR fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>to defend a business that wasn't his, that was empty,

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<v Speaker 1>an empty I think it was an empty used car.

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<v Speaker 2>Lot in the city and state that he didn't live in.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't live in that wasn't his. In't that wild?

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing is two human beings, their heart is

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<v Speaker 1>not beating anymore. They're buried in the ground now or

0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:59.880
<v Speaker 1>otherwise creamating extinguished, life extinguished, and no accountability for that.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's such a hurtful thing because I recognize that

0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:14.960
<v Speaker 1>we have a way to go to get where everything

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<v Speaker 1>is kumbaya and peaceful and copasetic across the board, and

0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:21.439
<v Speaker 1>all the systems that are oppressive have been dismantled and

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<v Speaker 1>challenged in ways that have caused them to, you know,

0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:31.159
<v Speaker 1>mature and be more beneficial to more people. Right. But

0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:36.760
<v Speaker 1>on this journey, we need folks to be allies to us.

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<v Speaker 1>And what this does is this causes even our allies

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<v Speaker 1>to stop and say, WHOA all this privilege I thought

0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:48.760
<v Speaker 1>I was sharing with my black and brown brothers and sisters.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it does have a you know, if I

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<v Speaker 1>come up against a conservative judge, my privilege doesn't go

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<v Speaker 1>beyond me being liberal, you know. And that's a part

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<v Speaker 1>that's really scary and a part you know, I don't

0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:06.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to just look at it like it's politics.

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<v Speaker 1>I really do want to heed the gravity of the

0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:13.520
<v Speaker 1>loss of human life in this situation and just make

0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:16.520
<v Speaker 1>sure that we acknowledge that. But you know, this is

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<v Speaker 1>another page in the book of America. You know, Ojay,

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<v Speaker 1>When oj got off, a lot of people were upset

0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:25.320
<v Speaker 1>about that. When this guy gets off, a lot of

0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:27.639
<v Speaker 1>people are upset about that. And for better or worse,

0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:30.399
<v Speaker 1>we're writing the story where These are the times of

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<v Speaker 1>our lives. You know, these are the days of our lives,

0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:38.560
<v Speaker 1>to quote a popular saying. And you know it's up

0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:41.360
<v Speaker 1>to us to not be disheartened. It's up to us

0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:47.240
<v Speaker 1>to acknowledge feel and you know, forge ahead, and hopefully

0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:50.240
<v Speaker 1>we'll continue to do that together as brothers and sisters.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that's always going.

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<v Speaker 2>To be I try my best, but it's hard, it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is, but that's all that's really all we got. And

0:24:56.680 --> 0:24:58.920
<v Speaker 1>you consider the alternative is to roll over and die,

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<v Speaker 1>but stick around your radios. We'll coming back with more

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<v Speaker 1>cific cipher right after this