1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: AM paranormal podcast network. Now get ready for Strange Things 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: with Joshua P. Warren. The thoughts and opinions expressed by 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: the host our thoughts and opinions only, and do not 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: necessarily reflect those of I Heart Media, I Heart Radio, 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast A out employees of premier networks or 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: their sponsors and associates. You are encouraged to do the 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 1: proper amount of research yourself, depending on the subject matter 9 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: and your needs. Get ready to find a wizard of weird. 10 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: This is Strange Thing with Warren. I am Joshua BE Warren, 11 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: and each week on this show, I'll be bringing you 12 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: brand new mind blowing content, news exercises, and weird experiments 13 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: you can do at home, and a lot more on 14 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: this edition of the program. Are you ready to get deep? 15 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: The Secret Story of Everything, the root of Reality? Now, 16 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: like I said, this is gonna be kind of a 17 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: deep show. Now, I can go a lot deeper. I 18 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: can go so deep, but I'm not going to go 19 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: that deep on this show. I'm just gonna go deep 20 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: enough to see if you lie this kind of thing, 21 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: and then if so then I'll go really deep on 22 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: a future show. Okay, so let's begin the root of reality. Well, 23 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: an article was recently published and quantum. Actually it's Quanta 24 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: magazine dot org. Quanta Magazine dot org. Yeah, we're getting 25 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: into quantum physics. Here you ready, And here's what it says. 26 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: The most famous paradox and physics nearest its end. In 27 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: a landmark series of calculations, physicists have proved the black 28 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: holes can shed information, which seems impossible by definition. The 29 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: work appears to resolve a paradox that Stephen Hawking first 30 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: described fifty years ago. All Right, you'll see how all 31 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: this applies to reality in general, because what is a 32 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: black hole? It's like a big drain and reality that 33 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: everything supposedly just pours down into disappear. But where does 34 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: it go? Does it just disappear? Is that the end? Okay, 35 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: here's what they say. In a series of breakthrough papers, 36 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 1: theoretical physicists have come tantalizingly close to resolving the black 37 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 1: hole information paradox. It says information. They now say with confidence, 38 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: does indeed escape a black hole? If you jump into one, 39 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: you will not be gone for good. Particle by particle, 40 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: the information needed to reconstitute your body will re emerge. 41 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: Most physicists have long assumed it would, and that was 42 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: the upshot of string theory, leading uh they're leading candidate 43 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: for a unified theory of nature. But the new calculations, 44 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: though inspired by string theory, stand on their own. It 45 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: says information gets out through the workings of gravity itself, 46 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: just ordinary gravity with a single layer of quantum effects. 47 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: Stick with me here. This is a peculiar role, they say, 48 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: a peculiar role reversal for gravity. According to Einstein's general 49 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: theory of relativity, the gravity of a black hole is 50 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: so intense that nothing can escape it, and the more 51 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: sophisticated understanding of black holes developed by Stephen Hawking and 52 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: his colleagues in the nineteen seventies did not question this principle. 53 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: Hawkings and others sought to describe matter in and around 54 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: black holes using quantum theory, but they continue to describe 55 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: gravity using Einstein's classical theory. This is a hybrid approach 56 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: the physicists call semi classical, and although the approach predicted 57 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: new effects at the perimeter of the whole, the interior 58 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: remains strictly sealed off. Physicists figured that Hawking had nailed 59 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: the semi classical calculation, and any further progress would have 60 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: to treat gravity as quantum. I know, I know, I 61 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: told you this. This is getting kind of deep. But 62 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: what they're saying here is that a black hole is 63 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: not a hermit kingdom. It's a vigorously open system. Not 64 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: only does information spill out, anything new that falls in 65 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: is regurgitated almost immediately somewhere. The revised semi classical theory 66 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: has yet to explain how exactly the information gets out, 67 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: but such has been the pace of discovery in the 68 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: past two years that theorists have already already have hints 69 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: of how this may work. Okay, now I'm not gonna 70 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: go too much deeper with that, but here is a 71 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: quote that I think you really need to think about. 72 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: This is actually from the article, but everyone says, but 73 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,679 Speaker 1: almost everyone appears to agree on one thing in some way. 74 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: In some way or other, space time itself seems to 75 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: fall apart at a black hole, implying that space time 76 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: is not the root level of reality, but an emergent 77 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: structure from something deeper. I told you we were gonna 78 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: get deeper. So all right, here's the here's the concept. 79 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: Before we were thinking, I mean, you know, there was 80 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: a time when people didn't even believe a black hole existed. 81 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: Now we're saying, like, yep, there's a big hole in reality. 82 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: And then next they were saying, well, this is like 83 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: you know again, it's like a big drain in space 84 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: time and it destroys space time, and that means everything 85 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: is destroyed. But now they're saying, even though space time 86 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: is being destroyed, that's there's still something there that space time, 87 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: this medium that we're moving around and the we're immersed in, 88 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: is not the end all be all. So we are 89 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: kind of like, uh, and this is just you know, 90 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: I'm putting this in my words. We're almost like fish 91 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: in an aquarium and the water is all around us. 92 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: We're not directly aware of it, but it's sustaining us. 93 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: And the water for humans is kind of like space time. 94 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: And then there are these drains, like pulling the plug 95 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,559 Speaker 1: on the fish tank, and then when all the water 96 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: pours out, that doesn't mean the whole world stops. It 97 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: just means that the medium that you're living in space time, 98 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: which is as we know, a flexible bendable and often 99 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: unpredictable thing. Uh that is just uh, that's just something 100 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: that that we interface with. But there is a whole 101 00:07:55,480 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: other level from which everything emerges. That's that's what I'm 102 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: getting out of this. And this reminds me of this 103 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: quote that I love, written by philosopher James Allen in 104 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: his book As a Man Thinketh in nineteen o three. 105 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: He wrote, as the visible world is sustained by the invisible. 106 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: So men, through all their trials and sins and sordid vocations, 107 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: are nourished by the beautiful visions of their solitary dreamers. 108 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: The important part they're being as the visible world is 109 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: sustained by the invisible. So everything that we've been able 110 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: to measure, I mean, some of our most advanced techniques 111 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: scientifically speaking, to measure what's going on here have been uh, 112 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: tools that can measure space time and variations of space time, 113 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: and that stuff is so weird it's hard to comprehend. 114 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: Now we're taking it beyond that, and now we have 115 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: to get back to Okay, well, what are we here 116 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: and what's going to happen to us when we die? 117 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: Is it like going through a black hole? Is this 118 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: where these visitors are coming from. Because if a black 119 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: hole doesn't just suck things in, it also allows things 120 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: to come out. Now it's starting to sound more like 121 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: a wormhole, isn't it that it's a tube that you 122 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: can travel through? And if this may just be a 123 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: black hole maybe the biggest, most obvious, like brutal example 124 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: of this, But I believe that these kind of wormholes 125 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: and portals and things exist on a much much smaller scale, 126 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: and they're all around us. Um philosopher Alan Watts. I'll 127 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: give you another quote I wrote about this in my 128 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: book Used the Force, a Jedi's Guide to the Law 129 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: of Attraction. Alan Watts. He died in nineteen seventy three. 130 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: One of his quotes I've always liked he said, through 131 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: our eyes he's talking about humans here. Of course, through 132 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: our eyes, the universe is perceiving itself. Through our ears, 133 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: the universe is listening to its harmonies. We are the 134 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: witnesses through which the universe becomes conscious of its glory, 135 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: of its magnificence. We're going back to this idea of 136 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: self awareness and infinite consciousness. That consciousness. Okay, if there's 137 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: a route that is deeper, then space time. Then that 138 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: is the root where self awareness and consciousness resides, and 139 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: that may be why that as humans, we have the 140 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 1: greatest power in the universe, consciousness, and that we are 141 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: therefore able to use that to travel mentally through time, 142 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: seeing what happened in the past like a ghost, or 143 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: seeing what's going to happen in the future like with 144 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: e s be precognition, remote viewing. Uh, these are all 145 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: things that are possible once you start exploring the mind. Now, 146 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: when we come back from our first break, I'm going 147 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: to talk a little bit more about what I think 148 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: this means when you die. And then also let's try 149 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: to codify this and some of the most ancient teachings 150 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: that have ever been produced, and see how the science 151 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: is coming full circle with philosophy and we're starting to 152 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: understand so much more of this stuff. If you like 153 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 1: to really experiment toy with this stuff, let me tell 154 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: you I create these metaphysical inventions. I recently came out 155 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: with the Golden Ruby Ultimate Fortune Maker Kit and I 156 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: sold out. But you know what, I always keep a 157 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: few extras on hand just in case, like something gets 158 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: destroyed or lost in the mail, so I may still 159 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: have some extras. If you go to the Curiosity Shop 160 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: at Joshua P. Warren dot com. And while you're there, 161 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: here's the most important thing. Sign up from my free 162 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: e newsletter. It's right there on the home page. Takes 163 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: you two seconds. You put your email address in there, 164 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: you hit the submit button. 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And I will be right back. 174 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Strange Things on the I Heart Radio 175 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast. I am para normal podcast network. 176 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: I am your host, the Wizard of Weird, Joshua P. Warren, 177 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: meaning into your wormhole brain from my studio in Sin City, 178 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is golden and every 179 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: night is silver. I recently posted a meme on my 180 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: Twitter account and uh, that's just at Joshua pe Warren. 181 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: And even if you don't have a Twitter account, you 182 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: can still go and look at the things that I 183 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: post on Twitter. I do that a lot of the 184 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: time because it's, uh, it's just easy. Just boom, you 185 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: hit a button and it's out there, and it's a 186 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: cartoon of two snow men talking to each other in 187 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: the middle of a of a snowstorm, and one of 188 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: them is saying to the other, don't be absurd. Nobody 189 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: made us. We evolved by chance from snow flakes. And 190 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: you know, that's a pretty good analogy, isn't it for 191 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: how some people view, uh, this world. We just the 192 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: snow flakes fell into place. And you have to remember 193 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: that you are mainly water and empty space. If I 194 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: squished all the water in empty space out of you, 195 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: you would be smaller than a pea than I can 196 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: roll between my fingers. So what are you really? You're 197 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: just you know, electrical impulses, right, And uh, it's very 198 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: interesting to me when you start thinking about where we 199 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: came from and the the importance of the importance of 200 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: consciousness and where are we going to go. So I 201 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: think that when you die, if you have a normal 202 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: state of mind and know what's going on, it is 203 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: going to be scary. It is going to be scary. 204 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: And I have heard from people who have had near 205 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: death experiences who have said, oh, but it was beautiful 206 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: and I loved it. You know. Well, I think that 207 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: that's probably not what usually happens, um because this is 208 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: because everything you have done in your life has been 209 00:15:53,680 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: biologically programmed to avoid death. Okay, that's just nature. So 210 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be scary when suddenly here 211 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: here we go. It's the big day. But honestly, truly, 212 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: I do not believe it is the end. Again, you 213 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: are mainly water and empty space. Your body is a 214 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: life support system for your worm whole brain, and your 215 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: worm whole brain as a pinpoint of consciousness that cannot 216 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: be created nor destroyed. It simply exists forever, and like 217 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: all energy, it transforms from state to state. Energy can 218 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: be neither created nor destroyed, simply conserved, changing from state 219 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: to state. And I will just go ahead and toss 220 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: this out here. On a side note, I do believe 221 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: that this means technically that you cannot create a perpetual 222 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: motion machine, per se. But that doesn't mean you can't 223 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: create a machine that appears to be perpetual motion because 224 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: it taps into some natural, unseen source, just like a windmill. 225 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: A windmill is not perpetual motion technically speaking, but as 226 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: long as the wind blows, well, it may as well be, 227 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: because it's free energy. I just had to throw that 228 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: in because when I start talking about the law of 229 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: conservation of energy, I'm enough of a geek then I 230 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: think about perpetual motion machines. But anyway, look, I am 231 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: conscious whatever that means, and I am also a part 232 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: of the universe. So if I am conscious and I'm 233 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: a part of the universe, then that means the universe 234 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: is also conscious, and vice versa, as above so below. 235 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: And I think that whatever this consciousness is that created 236 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: the shapes of the experience that you and I are having, 237 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: that is what we can call God. I am not 238 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: capable of comprehending what God is, and I don't believe 239 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: any of us are, but you know, God can be 240 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: many different things, but ultimately I think that's what God is. 241 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: It is the source of this design that we see. 242 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: And with God, all things are possible for a long time. 243 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: For thousands of years, humans have been dealing with these issues. 244 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: Technology may change and evolve in advance, but the human 245 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: experience actually seems pretty consistent, pretty consistent. And that's why 246 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: that I thought. You know, if you've listened to me 247 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: for years, um, then you've heard me talk about this 248 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: in the past, probably on my podcast Joshua pe Warren Daily, 249 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: that I used to do, and they're over five hundred 250 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: episodes of that, editions of that that you can you 251 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: can listen to for free whenever you want to. Just 252 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: type in Joshua pe Warren Daily, even though it's uncensored 253 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: in some of the language is um r rated. Uh. So, anyway, 254 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: let's go back and talk about one of the I 255 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: think the most fascinating texts out there. It's called The Kabalion. Uh. 256 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: The Kabalion was this book that was originally published in 257 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: nineteen o eight, and nobody knows for sure who wrote it. 258 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: Nobody even knows for sure what the word caballeon even means. Uh. 259 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: The book is attributed to three initiatives. Okay, so we're 260 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: talking about people who supposedly were masters of the old 261 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: mystery schools, which gave rise to all the secret societies 262 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: and whatnot. A lot of people believe that William Walker 263 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: Atkinson was the actual author of this book. Fascinating guy, 264 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: and you can read about that on your own. But regardless, 265 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: the Kabalion it's actually it's it's a pretty short book 266 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: and it talks about a lot of these concepts related 267 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: to as above so below. Like for example, if you 268 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: look at a human eye the pupil, it looks a 269 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: heck of a lot. Like the picture of a black hole. 270 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: Black hole is huge and far away, but you have 271 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: an eye right there? Is it? The same thing? Are 272 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: your eyes little black holes? Um? And so a lot 273 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: of occultists, as they call them new thought people, um, 274 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: are interested in the concepts of the Kabbaliyan and it 275 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: it's based upon what is also called Hermetic principles. And 276 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: this goes back to an individual that I also wrote 277 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 1: about in my book I'll use the Force, Hermes Trismegastus. 278 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: And Hermes Trismegastus was this great philosopher, priest, scientists, alchemists 279 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: who lived about thousands of years ago. This was in 280 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 1: the BC era, okay, and um, he's he's kind of 281 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: nobody knows for sure if he existed, it seems like 282 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: he did that there was a real man in the 283 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: middle of this um and this is this was I 284 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: guess around ancient Greece. But even though he had a 285 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: lot of Egyptian study going on there as well. Again, 286 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: a very mysterious guy. You can look this up. Uh. 287 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: And what I found out when I was writing about 288 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: this that, uh, if I understand correctly, tris megastus means 289 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: that you are honored by having your name repeated three times. 290 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: So this is how they used to honor like holy 291 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: men and shaman and stuff in some cultures. So for example, 292 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 1: if I'm just regular old Joshua, then I'm regular old Joshua. 293 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: But if I do something nice, you know, something really cool, 294 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: I save a drowning baby or something like that, and say, oh, 295 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: that's Joshua Joshua. You know, that's that's an honorary thing. 296 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: But if you are the Matt Daddy and then they 297 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: then you get your name repeated three times, that's Joshua, 298 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: Joshua Joshua over there. And so instead of having to 299 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: repeat Hermes, Hermes, Hermes, they call him Hermes. Tris megastus. Again, 300 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: I think that's how it worked anyway. Um he was 301 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: a great wizard of some sort, very similar to the 302 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: concepts around Merland and whatnot. And uh, this book, The 303 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: kabal Yon talks about the seven principles that are hermetic 304 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: principles that dig to the deep end, like the deeper 305 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: layer behind all of this. And here's what they are, okay. 306 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: Number one is the principle of mentalism. And by the way, 307 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: if you ever want to look up this stuff, Kabalan 308 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: is spelled k y b a l i o n 309 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: k y b a l i o n. So the 310 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: first is the principle of mentalism, and that means the 311 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: all is mind. The universe is mental. Okay. So that 312 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: goes back to what I was saying about consciousness. The 313 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: universe is mental, okay. Next principle is correspondence. As above, 314 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: so below. This principle embodies the truth that there is 315 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: always a correspondence between the laws and phenomena of the 316 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: various planes and being of life. Every nothing exists separated 317 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: from anything else. Everything is connected. Number three is the 318 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 1: principle of vibration. Nothing rests, everything moves, everything vibrates, which 319 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: actually a side note goes back to my personal belief, 320 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: which is all things are conscious because I think vibration, 321 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: vibrating is the is the fundamental um sign of life, 322 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: vibration and if if something is vibrating, it's conscious to 323 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 1: some extent. Otherwise there it's death. There's no sensation. That's 324 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: just my my philosophy. Okay. Number four the principle of polarity. 325 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: Everything is dual. Everything has polls, Everything has its pair 326 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: of opposites. Like and unlike are the same. Opposites are 327 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: identical in nature but different in degree. Extremes meet, All 328 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: truths are but half truths, and all paradoxes maybe reconciled. 329 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: The next number five is the principle of rhythm. Everything 330 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: flows out and end. Everything has tides, All things rise 331 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: and fall. The pendulum swing manifest in everything. The measure 332 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: of the swing to the right is the measure of 333 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 1: the swing to the left. Rhythm compensates. There are two 334 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: more principles will get into when we come back. And 335 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: then I want to share some UFO news with you 336 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: because I think what we're seeing is that, look, there 337 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: are other dimensions. There is a deeper level of reality, 338 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: and once once you understand that, you can use that 339 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: to travel through their space time thing. I'm Joshua pe Warren. 340 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: You're listening to Strange Things on the I Heart Radio 341 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast. They am para normal podcast network. 342 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 1: I'll be back after these important messages. Welcome back to 343 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: Strange Things on the I Heart Radio and Coast to 344 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: Coast AM pair are normal podcast network. I'm your host, 345 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: Joshua pe Warren, and this is the show where the 346 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: unusual becomes usual. There are two more hermetic principles here 347 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: from the kabalian a philosophy that is ultimately attributed to 348 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: Hermes Trismegistus and uh let's see okay. So next is 349 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: number six, the principle of cause and effect. Every cause 350 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 1: has an effect, every effect has its cause. Everything happens 351 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: according to law. Chance is but a name for law 352 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: not recognized. There are many planes of causation, but nothing 353 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: escapes the law. So for those of you who don't 354 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: believe in karma, I know that sounds really nice, doesn't it. 355 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: It's an inconvenient principle. I I am a strong believer 356 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 1: in karma, and I think that's what we're It's it's 357 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: basically staying here and it's interesting to hear it words 358 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: so simply though that like what we call chance is 359 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:20,239 Speaker 1: but a name for a law not recognized, Okay. And 360 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: then lastly, number seven is the principle of gender. Now 361 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 1: that word gender is being used often these days in 362 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: mainstream discussions, and I'm not talking about it in that sense. 363 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: When the ancient people were talking about gender, here is 364 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: what they said. Gender is in everything. Everything has its 365 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: masculine and feminine principles. Gender manifests on all planes. So 366 00:27:54,400 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: they're talking about everything having its own yen and yang ah, humans, 367 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: all objects, you know, all every all attributes have this. 368 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 1: So again, those seven principles are number one the principle 369 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: of mentalism, Number two, the principle of correspondence, number three, 370 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: the principle of vibration, number four, the principle of polarity, 371 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: number five, the principle of rhythm, number six the principle 372 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: of cause and effect, and number seven the principle of gender. 373 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: Those things seem to be very fundamental and the thinking 374 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: of ancient people even uh compared to what scientists are 375 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: telling us today. And if you want to read the caballeon, uh, 376 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: go for it. I think um, somewhere out there I 377 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,959 Speaker 1: even have a file of me reading parts of it. 378 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: But the easiest thing to do is go to Wikipedia 379 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: and type in caballe on and that will give you, 380 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: like your cliff notes there K Y B A L 381 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: I O N. And to me, it's I'm bringing this 382 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: up because again, it seems like we're getting closer and 383 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: closer to realizing that indeed, this is what's happening sort 384 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: of behind the scenes, and that there is a structure 385 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: to how the world works that is a root structure, 386 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: that is a platform that goes even deeper than than 387 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: quantum physics alone, and and the things that we understand 388 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: about the cosmos. Now, in saying that, I believe that 389 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: it is most likely that a lot of these visitors 390 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: that we experience, to call them aliens, interdimensional interlopers, whatever, 391 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: a lot of these beings are beings that have figured 392 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: out the technology to take advantage of what that root 393 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: structure is, and they can travel here either physically or 394 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: astral e or mentally. So that's why, for example, a 395 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: lot of people who get abducted may not be abduct 396 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: did physically. They may have what they uh consider a 397 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: physical experience, but it may be that you your body 398 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: can be accessed only in part that you know, you're 399 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: a multidimensional being and maybe parts of you can be 400 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: abducted while other parts are sleeping in bed. So like 401 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: you know, maybe you turn over and you see your 402 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: partner lying in bed asleep, that you don't know that 403 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: your partner is being abducted because that partners some some 404 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: part of that partner's spirit is being taken. I'm open 405 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: to that possibility. And now that we have to start 406 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: opening our minds to what this whole UFO thing is about. Uh, 407 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: you may have seen that it was just recently revealed 408 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: after thirty two years, the Ministry of Defense over there 409 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: in the UK has put out a picture that they 410 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: kept hidden. They called it the most spectacular UFO photo 411 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: ever captured. Uh. It was taken August four, nineteen nine 412 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: by two young in in Scotland, and uh, you can 413 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: read all about it. This is another one of those 414 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: things that I posted on my Twitter page. So if 415 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: you're interested, you can go to Joshua pe Warren. Just 416 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: do a search for Joshua pe Warren and Twitter and 417 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: you can scroll through and see the articles and hopefully 418 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: if you are a Twitter person, you'll also follow me 419 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: on Twitter. Um, but what they got a picture of 420 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: was what looks like one of these big kind of 421 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: like triangular slash diamond shaped things in the sky. And 422 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: you know, I saw something very similar um years ago, 423 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: and and you you may also realize again going back 424 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: to Twitter, like I posted a video recently where I 425 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: I don't like the word debunking, but we solved the 426 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: UFO mystery. Okay, So like Jason Sarachi, he went out 427 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: and he captured some footage of something and I didn't 428 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: know what it was, and um, we sent it to 429 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: Mobius and we got analyzed. It turns out we figured 430 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: out what it was. If you want to see what 431 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: it was, you'll go there to my Twitter page and 432 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: you can watch me give like a four minute video 433 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: where I showed the footage and then I explained what 434 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: it was. So I'm always trying to explain things, but 435 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: this this UFO uh stuff is now becoming uh so significant. 436 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: Mobius actually asked me if I would go back and 437 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: retell the story about my most impressive UFO sighting. And 438 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: I've had quite a few different kinds of sightings, but 439 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: this one just really stands out in my mind. So, um, 440 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: I he I think that he is working with his 441 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: associates to turn this into a part of a video 442 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: about the Triangle UFO phenomenon. So I said, sure. So 443 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: I sat down, and you've probably heard this before, but 444 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: I figured I'll go ahead and play it for you again. Uh. 445 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: This is the most official way I can explain to 446 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: you what I personally saw and uh, and it was 447 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: in It was in Nevada, and I want you to um, 448 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just gonna let you listen to it, 449 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: and then after that I'll have some thoughts and also 450 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: an interesting email I want to read to you. So anyway, 451 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: here is me retelling the story about my most impressive 452 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: UFO siting. I'm Joshua P. Warren, and my most amazing 453 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: UFO sighting happened on the night of Monday, February the 454 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: twenty third of two thousand nine. I was in Laughlin, Nevada. 455 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: I had been invited to be a speaker at the 456 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: UFO Congress in Laughlin, and that is when I met 457 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: Dean Worsing, who it turned out would become a great 458 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: friend to this very day. And Dean and his son, 459 00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: Dean Jr. Had third generation night vision goggles, and I 460 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: had never before had the opportunity to look at the 461 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 1: sky through third generation, and so on that night, UM, 462 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: Dean and his son and a buddy of mine name 463 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: Will and I went outside of Laughlin. Uh there was 464 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: a pull off on Davis Damn Road, and I want 465 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: to say this was around nine o'clock at night. We 466 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: were the only ones around. It was a very dark, 467 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: clear night, and you know, looking through third generation night 468 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: vision at the sky for the first time is just 469 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: an awe inspiring experience because I mean, on a clear night, 470 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: for every star you can see with the naked eye, 471 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: you can see about twenty through the third gym. And 472 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,399 Speaker 1: I mean, so the entire guy just looked like it 473 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 1: was sparkling with layers of diamonds. And we had three 474 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: pairs of of goggles betwixt the four of us, and 475 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: so at one particular point I had a pair, and 476 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: Dean and his son, Dean Jr. Had a pair, and Uh, 477 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: I was the first one to notice the anomaly. Now, 478 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: since the third gen was new to me, Um, I 479 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: wasn't sure what kind of weird digital artifacts might appear 480 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: through the kind of electronic workings of the tube, and 481 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: so when I looked out across the desert and I 482 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: was staring to my right, which was southeast, and I 483 00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:03,280 Speaker 1: saw this gigantic, bright V shape in the sky. Okay, 484 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: so we're gonna pause right there for our break, and 485 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 1: when we come back, you will hear the rest of 486 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: the story. And you know, I just want to mention 487 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: that one of the things that's so kind of, you know, 488 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: frustrating about being a UFO researcher these days is that 489 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: obviously there is something flying around out there that is 490 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: not of this world, so to speak. Okay, may and 491 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: you know, you could argue like, well, these are the 492 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,799 Speaker 1: original Earthlings and we're the aliens, and you can get 493 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: into all these sci fi discussions. Great, but you know 494 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. It's like there's something there that 495 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be part of the normal human experience. 496 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:49,320 Speaker 1: And if governments have have have learned from that, whether 497 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,280 Speaker 1: or not they even actually have one of these craft, 498 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: if by observing them they have learned how to create 499 00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: similar technologies than it's really it's hard sometimes to figure 500 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: out if you're just seeing the craft, you're not seeing 501 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 1: the beings. It's hard to figure out if this is 502 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: something that is extraterrestrial, ultra dimensional, or if we are 503 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:18,320 Speaker 1: looking at something here that is something humans have created, 504 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: you know, like a top secret military project. Anyway, you'll 505 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: hear more about what happened next that night when we 506 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: come back. I'm Joshua pet Warren, and you're listening to 507 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: Strange Things on the I Heart Radio and Coast to 508 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: Coast a AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I will be right 509 00:37:37,719 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: back and welcome back to the final segment of this 510 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: edition of Strange Things on the I Heart Radio and 511 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast I AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I am 512 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: your host, Joshua P. Warren. And so there I was 513 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: looking through Third Gin night vision and I saw this 514 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: big illuminated V shaped thing in the sky. And now 515 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 1: back to my audio, here's what happened next. I actually 516 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 1: was startled because I could see it through the goggles, 517 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: but I take the goggles down and I could not 518 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,280 Speaker 1: see it with the naked eye. Now, third Gin allows 519 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: you to see into the infrared realm, which is usually invisible, 520 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: you know, to the naked human eye. So I so 521 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: this was obviously something uh infra red. But I at 522 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 1: first thought that this was some kind of a digital artifact, 523 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 1: and I said that out loud. I said, guys, I 524 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,240 Speaker 1: think my goggles are messed up because I keep seeing 525 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: this big V shape. And at that point Dean and 526 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:29,359 Speaker 1: Dean jr Uh they apparently turned in my direction, and 527 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: I heard a chorus of holy because now it turns 528 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 1: out that we were all seeing the same thing. This 529 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: was not a digital artifact. This was exactly, as I said, 530 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 1: a huge V shape. Now, let me clarify something. People 531 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 1: talk all the time about seeing a triangle craft or 532 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: a triangular craft. Um, what I saw was a giant V, 533 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 1: just like the hand of God had taken some kind 534 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:08,359 Speaker 1: of a highlighter and just drawn a giant V. There 535 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: may have been a a triangular craft there that was invisible, 536 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: and all I was seeing was was the front two edges. 537 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: But all I could see was this nice, coherent the 538 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 1: very linear. It wasn't I didn't see dots of light 539 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,399 Speaker 1: or anything like that like the Phoenix lights. No, this 540 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:35,760 Speaker 1: was just like a big V, and actually over top 541 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,800 Speaker 1: of it was what appeared to be a smaller V. 542 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,720 Speaker 1: And so having no clue what this is, of course, 543 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: we're just you know, dumbfounded. As we're all sharing the 544 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 1: experience of watching this gigantic craft or it may have 545 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 1: been two craft, I'm not sure. And the thing is, 546 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:03,720 Speaker 1: it was traveling quite slowly, and it was absolutely silent, 547 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: and it was as it got closer to us, it 548 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: was humongous. Okay, I can't say that it passed directly 549 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: over our heads, but I mean it was close enough 550 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: by that. You know, there's no way a person can 551 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: honestly look up and see something like that and and 552 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: tell you how far away it is or how big 553 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 1: it is, because you just can't judge that information at 554 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,359 Speaker 1: night when you see a light like that. But it was. 555 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: It was a huge thing. You know, we we we 556 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,799 Speaker 1: can only use airplanes and helicopters is as examples of 557 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,280 Speaker 1: how to gauge this stuff. And this huge V shape 558 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: silently took its time, oh at least a couple of minutes, uh, 559 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 1: going across from right to left, from the southeast to 560 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 1: the northwest. And what it turns out was the direction 561 00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,359 Speaker 1: of Nellis Air Force Space. At the time, I was sure. 562 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: I had to go back later and look it up. 563 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 1: And as this gigantic thing passed over top of us, um, 564 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,280 Speaker 1: I have never felt so small in my entire life. 565 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: It was eerie. Um. The it reminded me a lot 566 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 1: of the experience portrayed in two thousand one of Space 567 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:32,319 Speaker 1: Odyssey when the Obelisk is viewed. And so when this 568 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 1: thing passed over look, I can't tell you whether or 569 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:41,240 Speaker 1: not this was some kind of a secret military craft, 570 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: or if it was extraterrestrial or extra dimensional or ultra 571 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:50,279 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, but whatever it was, it 572 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,360 Speaker 1: was something that made me feel so out of place 573 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,919 Speaker 1: and uh, and there was this sort of instinctual fear 574 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 1: of this gigantic thing that was that was flying, you know, 575 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 1: more or less over us and and again like silently 576 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:17,319 Speaker 1: off into the distance. And we were also amazed. Of course. 577 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,840 Speaker 1: At one point Dean gave his goggles to Will, and 578 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: Will saw it as well. The thing that we'll always 579 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,799 Speaker 1: kick ourselves over is that none of us had a 580 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 1: camera that night. And even if we had a camera, 581 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 1: I don't know how if we would have taken the 582 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: time to just like hook it up to the goggles 583 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 1: and get this footage. Because you have to understand, there's 584 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,239 Speaker 1: a moment when you see something that truly boggles your 585 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,800 Speaker 1: mind where you're not thinking about necessarily documenting what you're seeing, 586 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 1: you're just looking at and trying to figure out what 587 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: it is. Uh, it's after the fact that you're like, oh, man, 588 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 1: I wish I should have done this and that and 589 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 1: the other, you know, and doctor, we did not have 590 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,319 Speaker 1: camera us to document this thing, but let me tell you, 591 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: it is burned forever in our memories. And we went 592 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 1: back to the resort and casino where we were staying, 593 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,480 Speaker 1: where the event was being held, and we stayed up 594 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:20,320 Speaker 1: all night long in my room talking over and over 595 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,359 Speaker 1: and over about this, like what was that? Well, I mean, 596 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:29,320 Speaker 1: it was that profound. And the next day I obsessively 597 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,960 Speaker 1: called every government agency I could get Ahome. Of course, 598 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 1: I started with you know, the the the airport and 599 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:40,439 Speaker 1: the Air Force and all the military connections I could 600 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 1: get and like. And then I called the Wildlife Service 601 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: and I asked them about Formation Flying Foul. Even though 602 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,359 Speaker 1: I knew there was no way we were looking at 603 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 1: something like that, I knew that people would would possibly 604 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: bring that up, And of course I was told, like, no, 605 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,239 Speaker 1: this is February and it's it's very very cold, and 606 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 1: there are no that I was told explicitly by two 607 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,839 Speaker 1: or three people there are no Formation flying foul around here, 608 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 1: and so this was, UM, this was such a strange 609 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:21,239 Speaker 1: and overwhelming experience that I was hooked immediately. And that's 610 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,719 Speaker 1: when I started getting into third generation night vision technology 611 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 1: very seriously. And that's when I helped to create the 612 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,399 Speaker 1: Para Temporal night Vision Company to make sure that the 613 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: best night vision possible gets out there at the people's 614 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,920 Speaker 1: hands who are uh wanting to see this kind of 615 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:46,840 Speaker 1: stuff and and do this kind of research. And I 616 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,240 Speaker 1: have never seen anything quite like it. There was another 617 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 1: occasion when I was UH out in the desert in Henderson, Nevada, 618 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 1: and I saw what may have been a similar kind 619 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 1: of v V shape craft, but it was it was 620 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,720 Speaker 1: much much much higher and very faint, and I didn't 621 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 1: get nearly as as good of a look at it. 622 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:16,239 Speaker 1: But that that experience impressed me so much that I 623 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 1: now live in Las Vegas. I moved out here five 624 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:25,400 Speaker 1: years ago, and uh, I go out all the time 625 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:31,240 Speaker 1: with the third GIN and I am hoping to see 626 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 1: that thing again close up, just like I did in Laughlin, 627 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,040 Speaker 1: and this time my fingers are crossed. Then I will 628 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,080 Speaker 1: have a camera and be able to document it. But 629 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:52,360 Speaker 1: whatever these things are, UM, they are so tangible and 630 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:57,320 Speaker 1: so real and so solid, and yet there is something 631 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:02,520 Speaker 1: absolutely surreal about the feeling that you get when you 632 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 1: stand there at night and watch one of these behemoths 633 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:15,760 Speaker 1: quietly float above you and beyond, and it always gives 634 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:21,920 Speaker 1: me goose bumps to think back on that night. Monday, 635 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:28,600 Speaker 1: February of two thousand nine. Okay, so there is my 636 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,960 Speaker 1: report and it sounds pretty similar to what Sean Kevin 637 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,919 Speaker 1: Jason saw, don't you think. Let me squeeze in one 638 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 1: email here before the break. This comes from a listener 639 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,560 Speaker 1: in Australia. His name is Rob and he says, gooday, 640 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,960 Speaker 1: Joshua from Rob in Australia. I've been listening to your 641 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,000 Speaker 1: shows while doing construction work at my home and I 642 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,480 Speaker 1: have also been applying for and not getting past first 643 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:59,120 Speaker 1: base for jobs for eighteen months. So you keep playing 644 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,320 Speaker 1: those tunes? Is the good Fortune tone? And you're talking 645 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,080 Speaker 1: about manifesting what we want? Well, guess what today? I 646 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:09,360 Speaker 1: had about two calls. I had two calls about jobs, 647 00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,360 Speaker 1: and he said one is for an outback is the 648 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 1: Outback and Northern Territory a place called what. I google 649 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,759 Speaker 1: that to get an appreciation of the location. It's a 650 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,480 Speaker 1: coordinator role in the Aboriginal community, and so I will 651 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,799 Speaker 1: be giving back to the community anyway. I thought you 652 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:34,440 Speaker 1: should know that you might have helped me. Thank you, Rob. 653 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,520 Speaker 1: How cool is that? Well, you know what. Thank you, Rob, 654 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,000 Speaker 1: And now let's see if we can help out everybody else. 655 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,640 Speaker 1: Take a deep breath, and here it is the good 656 00:48:43,680 --> 00:49:09,240 Speaker 1: Fortune tone. 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