1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Let me understand this. He 2 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: is claiming he has a serious brain injury. Gwyneth Paltrow, 3 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: the Oscar winner, is claiming that she lost a half 4 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: a day a skiing m brain injury. Half a day 5 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: of skiing brain injury, half a day of skiing. What's 6 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: the jury going to make of that? Of course we're 7 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: talking about Gwyneth Paltrow. Guys, I me Nancy Grace. This 8 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here at 9 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: Fox Nation in Serious eleven. First of all, I want 10 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: you to hear from the horse's mouth, Gwyneth Paltrow on 11 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: the stand. Its true that you feel it's unfair that 12 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: mister Sanderson has brought this case against you. I do, 13 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: and he has deterred you from enjoying the rest of 14 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 1: what was a very expensive vacation while I lost half 15 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: a day of skiing. Nice okay, And I think that's 16 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: that's what your counsel has argued as well, that you 17 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: lost You had a full day pass, but you can 18 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: only ski a half a day. Yes, I went back 19 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: down after lunch, right, and that's when you had lunch 20 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: and you got a massage, Yes, okay, didn't get your 21 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: knee checked out. Didn't have to become a medical attention. No, 22 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: it didn't feel acute in any way. It felt just 23 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: like I had overstretched my knee and I had sustained 24 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: a blow. But it didn't feel like it needed medical attention. Well, 25 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: she was so upset she had to have a massage. 26 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: I hate when that happens. Okay, wait a minute, like, 27 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: let me understand this, then retire uptomtros. That says Paltrow 28 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: plow out over him, giving him actual brain and Gerina 29 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: ski accident. That's his claim, and she's claiming that will 30 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: hold on. Well, it was a very expensive situation. Well, 31 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: I lost half a day of skiing. Yes, Jackie, can 32 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: I just hear that part one more time place? I 33 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: just can't really hear it enough. It's true that you 34 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: feel it's unfair that mister Sanderson has brought this case 35 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: against you. I do, and he has deterred you from 36 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: enjoying the rest of what was a very expensive vacation. Well, 37 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: I lost half a day of skiing. Okay, Well, there 38 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: you heard it. I guess that's what the jury's going 39 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: to use to determine damages, if any with me an 40 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: all Star panel to make sense of what's happening in 41 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: the Gwyneth Paltrow Ski collision case. It's happening right now. 42 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: The All Star panels is going away in But first 43 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: I want to go to Emily Ashcroft, reporter with KSL 44 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: dot Com in Utah. Emily, do you think the jury 45 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: is going to be upset that Gwyneth Paltrow's outfits in 46 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: a single day costs more than many people possibly on 47 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: the jury make in a year. You know, I looked 48 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: at some annelis you know how to get up? One 49 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: was eighty eight thousand? I think, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa, Emily, Emily, 50 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: Emily Ashcroft, don't just drop a bomb on me like 51 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,839 Speaker 1: that and expect me to just walk up on SKA 52 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: walk away. What did you just say? Did you see 53 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: eighty eight thousand dollars? Did you say that? That's what 54 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: one website said that I was looking at. I think 55 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: it was the day two outfit they were analyzing. I'm 56 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: gonna get to the collision just a moment, but I've 57 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: just got to understand Emily Ashcroft as a well known 58 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: investigative reporter joining us from KSL. You did it again, first, 59 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: you dropped a bombshell on me that one of her 60 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: one outfit costs eighty eight thousand. Now you're telling me 61 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: that was day two. What was day two? What was 62 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: she wearing that could possibly cost eighty eight thousand dollars? 63 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: It's gotta be jewelry. There was some added jewelry on 64 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: day two that I didn't notice on day one. Tell me, 65 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: I have to know everything. Tell me, well, if I 66 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: knew that was what I was talking about, I would 67 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: have pulled up the outfit earlier. You know about Google, right, 68 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: I love Google. I mean I did see this huge, 69 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: chunky gold necklace, but I just assumed it was fake. 70 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: While you find that in your notes Emily Ashcroft about 71 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: day two? Why did I cost eighty eight thousand dollars? 72 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen is with me, high profile entertainment lawyer, former 73 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: felony prosecutor, now entertainment lawyer, Daryl Okay. When I was 74 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: trying cases, which were all, of course felonies, I very 75 00:04:54,839 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: quickly realized I should wear navy blue or black every 76 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: single day. No fancy jewelry, as if I had any. 77 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: I didn't have any too wear fancy jewelry, but no petting, 78 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: the fingernails and hair pull back. Why because most of 79 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: my cases were after like the first year or two 80 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: were murders, mass murder which is more than one body, rape, sodomy, 81 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: aggravated child abuse. I didn't think it would be right 82 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: to go prancing into court and a red mini dress 83 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: with high heels and red nails. It's just something screamed 84 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: no about that. I don't know. I never really thought 85 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: it through. But perceptions are very important in trials. They're 86 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: very important. Well, Nancy, First of all, we start with 87 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: we've changed the morning from crime stories to crash story. 88 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: I'm glad you got that out of your system. Daryl, Okay, 89 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: go ahead. You want to look up to a jury, 90 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: not down to a jury, and you want to offend. 91 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: I wait a minute, I've never thought about that, Okay. 92 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you do know I had to teach two 93 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: night jobs, teaching while I was prosecuting to pay the 94 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: house note and the car note, and the car continuously 95 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: smoked from under the hood at every red light. But 96 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: that said, I didn't really have anything fancy too where 97 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: to court. But why are you saying that, Daryl? And 98 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: I like what you just said. By the way, I've 99 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: never heard that, because you always want a jury to 100 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: connect with you, if possible, and you want to look 101 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: up to them and talk up to them, rather than 102 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: as so many lawyers talking down to them using legal ease. 103 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: You use the language that you believe the jury relates to, 104 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: and you act the way you believe the jury wants 105 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: you to act. Has nothing to do the evidence, but 106 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: it has everything to do with the case. And you 107 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: know another thing. For instance, I went to the dentist 108 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: recently and right in the middle of whatever he was doing, 109 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: it's always something complicated and I always have to see 110 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: a specialist. He said, you know, it's on one of 111 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: your juries. I nearly bit that drill right in half. 112 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: What's up? Gee? I hope I was nice at least 113 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: to the jury, and he said, you were, You're very nice. 114 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: It was a murder case. And as soon as he 115 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: told me one fact, I remember not only the trial, 116 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:23,119 Speaker 1: but I remembered him what he was wearing specifically, because 117 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: I remember, believe it or not, Daryl Cohen, I thought, wow, 118 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: that juror has got on a really nice Kashmir v 119 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: Nex sweater. I mean, I am I fashion illiteracy evenne 120 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: what Kashmir was, So I remember that and now that 121 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: I put the two together, So that made an impact 122 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: on me. And I remember one defense attorney, who shall 123 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: go nameless, had these long, blood red what do you say, 124 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: acrylics and dripping acrylic nails and dripping in diamond jewelry. 125 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: And when she would walk in front of the jury, 126 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: she would have a piece of paper and she held 127 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: it not with her fingertips but with her claws, I 128 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: mean her acrylic nails. And she would walk on really 129 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: high heels, which gave her a stilted posture. And I 130 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: just watched her the whole trial, and do you know 131 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: after that guilty verse, that's one of the first things 132 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: the female Jerrard said to me was she drove us 133 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: crazy with those high heels tried to walk around a courtroom. Now, 134 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: and I remember that, So what you're saying is absolutely true. Hey, 135 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: Emily Ashcroft, what about day two? Any update on that? 136 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: I know you thought you were just going to give 137 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: me the facts of the case, but it's so much more, Emily, 138 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: go ahead, tell me about day two. So that it 139 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 1: looks like the necklace was priced at about sixty five 140 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, So that is the item the cas outfit 141 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: to be so expensive. It's the sound ray gold. Oh 142 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: what filmed rate? Okay, I don't know what that is. 143 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: Is that an expense? I don't shop the jewelry at 144 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: that price? But you know, okay, whoa Jackie here in 145 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: the studio has been obsessed with what Gwynth Paltrow was wearing. 146 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: And I keep going, it doesn't matter, Jackie, although we 147 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: have now finished talking about it for like five minutes. Okay, 148 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: Jackie wants everyone to know Paltrow wore a g labeled 149 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: by Goop belted cardigan blah blah blah blah blah blah, 150 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: five hundred and ninety five dollars. Oh, I get it. 151 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: So she's wearing her own clothing off of her her website. Okay, 152 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: you know what. You were just hearing her state that 153 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: she lost a day of skiing, while he the plaintiff 154 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: who is the one who is suing. The respondent would 155 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: be the one that's getting sued. He claims he's got 156 00:09:55,840 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: brain injury. Now weigh those two out. But as Emily 157 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: Ashcraft is pointing out, the necklace was sixty five grand, 158 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: and Jackie wants everyone to know she wore a Goop 159 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: cardigan for six hundred dollars Goop, Goop, Goop. You think 160 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: that these yours even know anything at all about Gwyneth 161 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: Paltrow's website, Well, I wonder if they know this. Take 162 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: a listen to Paltrow again on SETH Myers. It's a candle. Yeah, 163 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: And so it's called this Smells Like My Vagina. So 164 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: it sort of started as a joke. We were I 165 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: was with the Nose Douglas Little for his brand Heretic, 166 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: and we were kind of messing around and I smelled 167 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: this beautiful thing and I was like, no, smells like 168 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: and I was kidding obviously, um, and we were on 169 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: mushrooms and we weren't. But so then it actually became 170 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: kind of a funny thing where it was a really 171 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: funny to us, yeah, but also a little bit punk rock. 172 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, I think women, a lot 173 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: of us have grown up feeling certain degrees of shame 174 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: around our body or whatever. So this is just a 175 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: little bit of you know, subversive candle for all of us. 176 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: Jed's father takes time away from his rampage to write 177 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: letters to his daughter, sending them to relatives as she 178 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: is still in hiding. I have letters he wrote, like 179 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: the week he murdered someone, and that's so disturbing to me. 180 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: And the letters just continued and continued. Five years go by, 181 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: Jen now in her fourth grade class, when her mom 182 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: shows up at school, something mom never does. In the 183 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: middle of the day, she said, I'm gonna walk you home. 184 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: And halfway home we sat down and she said, I 185 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: need to tell you something. You remember how I told 186 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: you that Daddy was very sick and his new wife 187 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: is a very bad person. She said, he didn't get better, 188 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: he got much much worse. He heard a bunch of people. 189 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: It was like the bursting of a bubble. The murderous 190 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: couple captured and soon dug by the media as the 191 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: witch killers. At just nine years old, a little schoolgirl, 192 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: Jen learns at a much too early age what a 193 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: dark and evil place this world could be. I was 194 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: sleeping with knives and scissors, because if Daddy could kill people, 195 00:12:44,000 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: then anybody's capable of murder. Stories with me, it's a grace, 196 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: it's a candle, and so it's called this smells like 197 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: my vagina. So it sort of started as a joke. 198 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: We were I was with the nose Douglas Little for 199 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: his brand Heretic, and we were kind of messing around 200 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: and I smelled this beautiful thing and I was like, no, 201 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: smells like and I was kidding obviously, um, and we 202 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: were on mushrooms and we weren't. But so then it 203 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: actually became kind of a funny thing where it was 204 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: a really funny to us but also a little bit 205 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: punk rock. And you know, I mean, I think women, 206 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: a lot of us have grown up feeling certain degrees 207 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: of shame around our body or whatever. So this is 208 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: just a little bit of a you know, subversive candle 209 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: for all of us. I'm just letting all that's so 210 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: cute care start joining me. We're now a psychologist in 211 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 1: the New York area, joining us out of Manhattan. You 212 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: can find her online at Karen dot com. That's Karen 213 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: with a S. Unless her vagina smells like cedar. I 214 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: think that a lot of her statements were obviously made 215 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: in jest. I don't know how funny a jury will 216 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: think they are when they find out that her website, 217 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: Goop it's worth two hundred and fifty million dollars. Well 218 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: on top of that, Nancy, she's doing a lot of 219 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: I mean, she's doing a lot of inspider jokes, you know, 220 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: like joking that she was on Shoon and things like that. 221 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: What we were talking about, it's not appealing to a jury. 222 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: They don't they're not part of Hollywood and laughing about 223 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: a candle that smells like a vagina. So you kind 224 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: of hope that she knows better than to make those 225 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: kind of jokes, but it doesn't. It doesn't look good 226 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: to the jury that she has said a half day 227 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: of skiing, that she missed the half day's skiing. I 228 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: don't know who prompted her, but who cares? You know, 229 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go into the plantiff's trial attorney techniques. But 230 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: enough about her vagina and her candle, and her money 231 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: and her wardrobe. What is the case about? Tecolos dar 232 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: Frans at NBC when if Paltrow is heading to court 233 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: today in Park City over allegations of a hit and 234 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: run ski crash in twenty sixteen while at the Posh 235 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: Deer Valley Ski Resort, seventy six year old Terry Sanderson 236 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: claims Paltrow's skied out of control and hit his back, 237 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: knocking him down hard, knocking him out and causing a 238 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: brain injury, four broken ribs and other serious injuries. I 239 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: was going slow and then all of a sudden, I 240 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: heard this absolutely horrifying screech. There's a hysterical scream, Sanderson 241 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: says after the accident, Paltrow left him stunned, lying in 242 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: the snow. The oscar winner has a very different account 243 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: of the collision, saying it was Sanderson who plowed into 244 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: her and that it was she who sustained a full 245 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: body blow. You know, there at Deer Valley, the prices 246 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: are just through the roof. It's like season passes nearly 247 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: two thousand dollars for an adult. So we're looking at 248 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: a very posh ski resort. So let me ask you. 249 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: Emily Ashcraft is joining us with KSL dot Com. Emily, 250 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: four broken ribs a brain injury? Now, I know four 251 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: broken ribs can easily be established through an X ray. 252 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: Hold on. Doctor Harvey Castro joining US Sports Certifining, the 253 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: emergency care physician and CEO of Chat GPT author of 254 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: Revolutionize Your Health and Fitness with Chat GPTs, Modern Weight 255 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: Loss Hacks. That is a mouthful, Doctor Harvey Castro, Whitten 256 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: Broken rib Show up in an X ray. Oh, yes, 257 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: so you're talking about that. I'm sorry. The broken rib, yes, yeah, 258 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: for sure, it's subtle, but it's if you're ne yard doctor, 259 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: you should be able to catch those. Those are pretty simple. 260 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: And I remember seeing them online actually, and I could 261 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: see the fractures. You saw his x rays online? Yes, ma'am, 262 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: I saw it on some website. They actually showed his 263 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: x rays. Yeah, and let me ask you this, You 264 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: looking at it online could see the fractures, correct? Yes, 265 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: what's the difference between a fractured rib and a broken rib? 266 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: In my opinion, it's the same. Layman's people will say, hey, 267 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: this is just broken, but the medical term would be 268 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: a fracture, so basically a break in the bone. Now, 269 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: the other allegation, his claim is that he had brain 270 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: injury that does not show up on an X ray. 271 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: How would that be determined? So that's a difficult one. Obviously, 272 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: we would as a doctor, we would have to do 273 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: a cat scan. And it goes with the combination of 274 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: the immediate symptoms that a patient would come in with. 275 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: Typically a concuss patient will come in with headache, start vomiting, 276 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: feeling a little confused, hired, and obviously from that point 277 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 1: jump in into a cat scan, and then on a 278 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: cat scan I could see early inflammation or signs of 279 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: trauma and the brain, which I'm really interested in seeing 280 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: his cat scan if that report was available. Are you 281 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: telling me that concussion can be classified as a brain injury? 282 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: A concussion at first it's a very mild form. You 283 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: can say, yes, this is a brain injury, but again 284 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: it's mild on this particular case. They're looking at long 285 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: term what they call a post concussion syndrome. And unfortunately, 286 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: a lot of those symptoms are very subjective. For example, 287 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: if someone says they have a headache after having like 288 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: in his case, he had a injury, and he's later saying, hey, 289 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: I'm having a headache, I'm having trouble with emotional behavior, fatigue, 290 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: all these symptoms. To me, it's hard to say, well 291 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: that he read the textbook and kind of came in 292 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: saying hey I have these symptoms, or does he really 293 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: have these symptoms? And that's really hard to tell. Back 294 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: to Emily Ashcraft joining as k SL com in Utah, Emily, 295 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: what does each side say happened? What does Paltrow say happened? Yeah. 296 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: So Paltrow says she's skiing along and the man comes 297 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: right up behind her. She says his skis came between 298 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: her skis, pushing her legs apart a little bit, and 299 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: they skied together for a few seconds, and then she 300 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: says that they both kind of fell down together, with 301 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: her on top of him. And he says that he's 302 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: just skiing. Here's a loud scream behind him, and that 303 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 1: this is what did attorney say at this point, because 304 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: he hasn't testified, but she just kind of plowed him down. 305 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: His experts have said that there was a lot of 306 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: force behind that to break those ribs. Wow. Okay, now 307 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: we've heard from doctor Harvey Castro about the ease I'm 308 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: detecting and fractured or broken rib A brain injury is 309 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: much more subtle in meaty cases and would require a 310 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: cat scan. Nancy, Yeah, go ahead. I was wondering with 311 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: a brain scan and you're trying to figure out if 312 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: there's damage. Don't they do testing like psychological testing to 313 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: assess that. I was thinking that they must have done 314 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,719 Speaker 1: some kind of testing. I'm sure we're going to hear 315 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,239 Speaker 1: about it, but I don't believe that his Caskan has 316 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: come in yet, hasn't Emily, I haven't seen that in 317 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: the case, but we have had his doctors talk about 318 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: their evaluations. Yeah, like Karen Stark is saying, So let's 319 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: hear exactly what Paltrow is saying. Take a listen to 320 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: our friend Jim Moray. During opening statements today, Paltrow's lawyer 321 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: said Sanderson was the one who crashed into her. Suddenly 322 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: she sees two skis appear between her skis and a 323 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: man comes up right behind her, almost body to body 324 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: like this and start groaning. He says, did you ran 325 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: into me? And Grant's like, no, you ran square right 326 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 1: into me. Huh. So the inconsistency starts right there on 327 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: the slope with a lot of finger pointing at each other. 328 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: Take a listen to more of Moray. When I spoke 329 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: with Sanderson in twenty nineteen, he told me he was 330 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: skiing with friends when Paltrow smacked into him and boot 331 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: I got clawverd in the back. He was sixty nine 332 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: years old when this happened. So that is part of 333 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 1: Paltrow's claim against him that these are prior injuries that 334 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: he was already complaining about, not feeling like himself and 335 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: having decreased vision in his eye. They even say he 336 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: shouldn't have been skiing that day. Huh okay, So here 337 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: the claims against each other, but he they retired. Optometris 338 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: has a witness. Take a listen to Craig ramon. Well, 339 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: we were seeing them down the bend, down the run, 340 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: and then and then I heard this this, this bl 341 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: this scream, and then I looked over and then about 342 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: you know, maybe one or two seconds um, and then 343 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: I heard the scream and then and then and then 344 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: I see this this this skier just slamming of the 345 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: back of Terry and when and she just slammed him 346 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: very hard, he let mean very hard. And more from 347 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: this same witness on him, we say, listen an acquaintance 348 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: of Sanderson's who says he was just feet away from 349 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: the collision, describing what he saw. She just slammed him 350 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: very hard, he let mean very hard. So he's kind 351 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: of he's kind of spread to you, and he goes 352 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: face down, and then Gwyneth's on the top of him, 353 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: and then to go down like this, and then Gwyneth 354 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: hits him and then bounces off. Craig Ramone saying. Paltrow 355 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: then quickly got up, didn't speak to anyone, and continued 356 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: down the mountain as he tended to his injury. Your friend, 357 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: I said, do you know where you are? And he 358 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: just shook his head and is like no. Joining right 359 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: now is Jason Jensen, private investigator and owner of Jensen 360 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: Private Investigations, the co founder of Cold Case Coalition, and 361 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: you can find him at Jensen Private Investigations dot com. Jason, 362 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: thanks so much for being with us. You brought up 363 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: a really good point about the ski instructor. Would you 364 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: repeat that please. What's interesting about this is we've got 365 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: very polar opposite testimonies developing here. Where Senderson claims it 366 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: was Paltrow's fault, gwenne is claiming that it was Snderson's fault. 367 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: The differences between these two skiers are Sunderson is a 368 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: thirty year experienced skier, whereas Gwenna's Paltroll was going down 369 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: the slopes with an instructor. The problem that I see 370 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: developing here is typically when you're learning to ski with 371 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: an instructor, you're not going very fast and everybody shares 372 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: the hill going in the same direction. That's a really 373 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: good point. And I've been looking at case like a 374 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: Rubik's cube, looking at it every which way. But Jason Jenson, 375 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: you're right, Well you should consider being maybe a private 376 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: investigator the way you analyze those facts with me. Another 377 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: special guest addition to our other All Star panel members, 378 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: Mark Danola, ski safety expert at RYE Risk Ski Safety Consultant, 379 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: and you can find him at RYE Risk Consulting dot com. Mark, 380 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: thank you for joining us. I've got so many questions 381 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: about this case, but I'd like to hear your initial thoughts. 382 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: My first thoughts on this case sort of follow the 383 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: whole idea that if she is with a ski instructor 384 00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: with her children, they're not skiing fast. You know, her 385 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: children are learning. She had hired an instructor to take 386 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: them down the mountain, and that is an important fact 387 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: when you consider that the plaintiff in this case has 388 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: three years of experience, and if he's skiing down this 389 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: trail with that type of experience, his sense of speed 390 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: is going to be a lot different than missus Paltrow's. 391 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: And I would suspect that someone with that kind of 392 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: experience skiing a green beginner run is he's going to 393 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: be skiing a lot faster than those around him, and 394 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: you know he has a duty to always stay in 395 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: control and be able to stop and avoid other people 396 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: or objects. And if Paltrow's to be believed with that background, 397 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: if she is hit in the back. It came over 398 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: just trying to figure out if we're going to hear 399 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: anything about injuries to her back. At the time Emily 400 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: Ashcroft joining us KSL. She left the traumatic event and 401 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: went and had a massage. I wonder if the masseuse 402 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: is going to be called to testify to any bruises 403 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: or scrapes on her back. Have we heard anything about that? No, 404 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: I haven't heard any mention of that. Huh, Yeah, I 405 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: think I would have would have heard about it, heard 406 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: that if they were planning on Susan, because that would 407 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: be I would believe Daryl Cohen, which we always look 408 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: for in trying a case, and impartial witness. This last 409 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: guy we heard from Craig. He is a friend of 410 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: the plane f Terry Sanderson, age seventy six. One thing 411 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: that really jumps out at me, Darryl is what Jason 412 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: Jensen said and what Mark Danola said describing this slope 413 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: it's kind of like a bunny slope, would you say that, 414 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: Mark Danola, Yes, it's a beginners slope designed for all 415 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: abilities to ski, but it's also in the same sentence 416 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 1: that it's really designed for people who are learning ski exactly. So, 417 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, I would be looking for an impartial witness, 418 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: not somebody that was in the skiing party with either 419 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: one of them, not with a doctor, and not with 420 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: Gwyneth Paltrow. Someone on the outside looking in, like you know, 421 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: maybe the massuse or maybe someone else skiing there that day. 422 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: What do you make of that? Well, Nay, I think 423 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: is I would agree with you, but it's difficult because 424 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: remember it's cold in part City, so everybody's wearing ski jackets, 425 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: everybody's wearing face coverings, and most people are probably wearing helmets. 426 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: So though someone may have seen this collision, whether it's 427 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: he into her or her into him, or they into 428 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: each other, nobody paid much attention because this is what happens. 429 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: It happens all the time. That's why Park City is 430 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: no longer being sued because on ticket on the lift 431 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: pass it says, you know it's inherently dangerous, be careful 432 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: for boys, and girls, it's going to happen, and so yes, 433 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: I would love an independent witness, but I don't see 434 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 1: him or her coming forward. Obviously it's pretty late in 435 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: the game because of all of those reasons and the 436 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: massage therapist. I mean, look, you're well covered, you've got 437 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: your ski gear on, you've got your thermal underwear, you've 438 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: got your socks, you've got everything. So you're not going 439 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: to be that visibly hurt unless you really collided at 440 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: a very severe speed. Do you just just blurt things out? 441 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,479 Speaker 1: It's like stream of consciousness because you really think, I 442 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: believe that underwear is going to protect you from a 443 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: bruise that caused the other guy to get four fractured ribs. 444 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: And Nancy, it can be. Fractured ribs can be just 445 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: because underwear. I'm talking about the underwear. You said, she's 446 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: very thermal underwear that would keep her from getting bruised. 447 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: That's total BS man. That the other items not just underwear, sweaters, 448 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: all heavy jackets. Okay, okay, Daryl Cohen. And you're no 449 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: stranger to these slopes either. And these slopes are expensive, 450 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: aren't they, Daryl Cohen? Oh my gosh, they are so expensive. 451 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: If you blow your nose, there's somebody there with a 452 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: tissue waiting for you to help you. That's not expensive. 453 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: Tell me what you're talking about? What kind of money? 454 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: I mean? Is this going to cost me more to 455 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: take the twins there than to let's just say, cruising around? Okay, 456 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: Finuki swamp and look at the gators. Help me out here. 457 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: What money are we talking about. We're talking a couple 458 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: hundred dollars a day for a left pass or more 459 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: per person, per person. Oh, it's not per group, it's 460 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: per person. Okay, guys, we're hearing what the claims? Are 461 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: you hear what Terry Sanderson now age seventy six, is claiming. 462 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: But I want you to hear m what happens in core. 463 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: Take listen our cut sixteen, Your honor. We have a 464 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: new camera pointed directly at my client right there on 465 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: the right, which we understand is from the AP. This 466 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: is a string recess. I'll have the court representative Tanya, 467 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: take a look at how that camera's pointed and make 468 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: sure that it's pointed at the left turn rather than 469 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: at the council table. And I want to be advised 470 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: if there are new changes, because it's just by chance 471 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: that we see that there's a camera pointed directly at her, 472 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: which is contrary to the Decora mortar. So I don't 473 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: want changes without reporters telling you. Okay, Emily Ashkov joining 474 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: us from KSL dot com. Is Gwyneth Paltrow, the Oscar 475 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: winner who's been in dozens of movies and on dozens 476 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: of high profile talk shows. Is she actually complaining about 477 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: a camera. Yeah. They are being extremely particular about cameras. 478 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: There's one photographer there. There's some video cameras in the 479 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: room an edition, but we have one photographer, the fled in. 480 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: He has to sit in his seat while he takes pictures. 481 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: And she has a probably a bodyguard that if she's 482 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: walking in the hall and he sees any phones pointed 483 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: at her, he is on them. They're being extremely careful 484 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: about photos. At one juncture, didn't Palchow hauled up her notepad, which, 485 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: by the way, it's also from Goop, and she says 486 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: the things she likes about it, Jackie, just so you know, 487 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: is there the paper isn't lined, so she can just 488 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: put her innermost thoughts and feelings quote all over the page. Okay, 489 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: I thought That's why we have lines so you don't 490 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: write all over the pay so you can read what 491 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: you wrote. That said, isn't true, Emily Ashcraft, that she 492 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: actually held up the note the notebook to hide from 493 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: one photographer. Yeah, so on that first day that I 494 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: was there, she was sticking that notebook into between herself 495 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: and that photographer every time she walked in and out, 496 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: or at least most times dates I think that's died down. 497 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: Wasn't just one potographer. There's just one associated press photographer 498 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: in the room. Yeah, okay, okay, so let me understand. 499 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: It's not like the horn of paparazzi chasing Diana down 500 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: the highway, right. It's one photographer, one photographer, and there 501 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: are a few other photographers that have been kind of 502 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: waiting outside, but they're not allowed to take any photos 503 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: in the courtroom, so there might be five or so 504 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: while she's going to her car. Okay, all right, guys, 505 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: let's hear more. This is from our friends at Inside Edition. 506 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: His X ray was shown in court. After his accident, 507 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: he deteriorated abruptly, and many of the activities that he 508 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: used to do he stopped doing. But Paltrow claims he 509 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: hit her, and Paltrow has been getting a little free 510 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,239 Speaker 1: advertising during the trial. The lifestyle guru who founded her 511 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: own luxury brand, Goop, has been wearing her own designs 512 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: into court today. Paltrow wore a belt in kashmere cardigan 513 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: sweater from her fashion brand g labeled by Goop. It's 514 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: currently on her website for five hundred and ninety five dollars. 515 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace All, we we're hearing about 516 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: Paltrow is losing her half day of skiing, her wardrobe, 517 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: and her two hundred and fifty million dollar website from him. 518 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: We're hearing actual complaints. But is he telling the truth? 519 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cup forty four Paltrow under questioning, 520 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: where she says she actually thought she was being sex assaulted. 521 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: You guys are on the ground. Now you realize, right 522 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: you're and you're not saying to the jury that this 523 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: was in any way, shape or form a sexual assault. 524 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: I am not saying that. I'm just saying what went 525 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: through my mind for a split second when it was happening. 526 00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 1: All right, great, so you're down on the ground and 527 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: then you started yelling at him. I don't remember if 528 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: I started yelling at him while I was on the ground. 529 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 1: I remember pushing away because I was very upset and 530 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: it was still very strange to me what had happened. 531 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: And I pushed down the hill and I turned around 532 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: and I said, and I yelled at him, is he 533 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: telling the truth? Because you know what, there have been 534 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: a lot of claims in the past that were totally fake. 535 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: Take a list of our cut thirty two or our 536 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: friends at ABC now list of this. It's two seniors 537 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 1: age sixty eight and seventy two, two women, I think 538 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: at a grocery store of publics. I think it was. 539 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,720 Speaker 1: And thank goodness, I've got cameras in publics because these 540 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 1: two seniors stage a slip and fall. It's called right 541 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: there on camera. Take a listen. Superbard County women are 542 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: in trouble with the law after police say they staged 543 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 1: a slip and fall accident in publics. The video show 544 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: seventy two year old Janella Howard getting down on her 545 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: hands and knees. She even adjusted her hair before lying down. 546 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: Sixty eight year old Susan Snow is their caregiver, then 547 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: pushes her shopping cart away to look for help. Rescue 548 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: crews eventually take Howard away. The two women tried to 549 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: sue publics for three hundred thousand dollars. They're Dutch. I 550 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: don't think you can get away with it. I mean 551 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: unless they pup proved they fell. Investigators say six people 552 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 1: have been arrested for fake slipping falls at other Bavard 553 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: stores and gas stations in recent months. I love the 554 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: way the one senior fixed her hair before she slipped 555 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 1: and fell. But one of my favorites is a guy. 556 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 1: This is mcmccormick wyf Evans Spartanburg staging a fake fall 557 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: in a grocery store, and there was a lot of 558 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: staging going on in this one. I love watching it. 559 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: I've watched it over and over and over. Take a 560 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,800 Speaker 1: lessen Our Cut thirty one. A man claimed he slipped 561 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: on a puddle near a wet floor sign in Jimmy's 562 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 1: Fresh Air Galaxy. Surveillance video from the grocery store shows 563 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: him on the floor after the so called accident and 564 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 1: how it all went down. At first, he's walking around shopping. 565 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: You can see a bottle of yellow colored juice in 566 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: his cart. He walks down an aisle and when he 567 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: gets to a yellow wet floor sign. He moves it. 568 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: The store's owner says. The man opens the bottle and 569 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: lets the juice pour out. He walks away, then goes 570 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,439 Speaker 1: back to the cart and keeps walking. The owner says. 571 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: The man puts the bottle on a shelf in another aisle, 572 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,760 Speaker 1: then returns to the aisle where he poured the juice 573 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: and plops down near the puddle. Paramedics took him to 574 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: the hospital. The store owner reviewed the surveillance video and 575 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: called police. Officers investigated and decided to charge forty year 576 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: old Michael Reinhardt with shoplifting for using the juice and 577 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: attempting to obtain money by false pretenses. So he got 578 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: a t buys for using the juice, theft by shoplifting 579 00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: on top charges a fraud. And there's another thing we 580 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: have to take into account. Gwyneth Paltrow, who I love 581 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 1: as an actress. I loved her in Emma Lucy and 582 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 1: I've watched Emma Link three times. You have to take 583 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: into account she's very high profile and a lot of 584 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: people might target her. Is that true here, don't know, 585 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 1: but take a listen to our cut thirty five and 586 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: another case like that. Listen. Britney Spears was once sued 587 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 1: by a man who claimed he was her friend and 588 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: that they had an oral agreement for him to be 589 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,359 Speaker 1: her manager. Considering how crazy things were in the years 590 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: before the conservatorship was set up, anythings possible. Sam Ludfie 591 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: claimed he was owed money from two thousand and seven, 592 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: when the oral agreement for manager was in place. He 593 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: also accused Britney's mother of libel and her father a battery. 594 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: The case got in front of a judge in twenty 595 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 1: twelve and the judge dismissed it. Ludfy appealed the case 596 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 1: languish for a few more years until Brittany gave him 597 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,720 Speaker 1: a settlement to go away. TMZ said that ludfee settlement 598 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: was in the low six figure. Oh my stars, just 599 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: taken a shot at Brittany, the sad lofty dude. I 600 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 1: remember him, and you've got Jennifer Lopez love her. Take 601 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 1: a listen to this lawsuit filed against her. Jennifer Lopez 602 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 1: is currently happily married to Ben Afflack, but he was 603 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: not her first husband. That title belongs to O'hani. Noah 604 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: Ohani was the manager of the world famous Congo Room 605 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: when he and j Low became a husband and wife. 606 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: After a beautiful ceremony with two hundred and fifty friends 607 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 1: and family, President j Lo asked Ohney to come to 608 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: work as the manager of her restaurant, Madre's for a 609 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: thousand dollars a week. Ohanni Noah became the manager of 610 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: Lopez Madres in Pasadena, California. Ohani was promised that no 611 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: matter what happened in the marriage, he would never be 612 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: fired without cause. Well, six months later, his marriage was 613 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 1: headed for divorce and he was fired, So he sued 614 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: his now ex wife slash boss for a breach of contract. Seriously, 615 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 1: what did he think was going to happen? And of 616 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: course Jamie Fox was targeted was sued by a bartender. 617 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 1: I don't know if target is is exactly the right 618 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: we're or take a listen to this. Jamie Fox through 619 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: an afterparty for his unpredictable tour and to make it 620 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,240 Speaker 1: extra special, he tricked out the bar with a fully 621 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: sculptured ice bar. Bartender William Pressler claims he was hired 622 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: to work the party, and he claims the representatives from 623 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: Belvedere Vodka and China Grill restaurant argued with Fox employees 624 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: over whether the sculpture was safe to work around. One 625 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 1: turns out it wasn't safe for a man with a 626 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: bachelor's in neuroscience attending to a medical externship while bartending 627 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 1: to pay the bills, William Pressler claims he slipped on 628 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: ice that overflowed from the bar. When he fell, a 629 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: shard of glass sliced his left hand, severing three nerves 630 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 1: and requiring one hundred and seventy stitches. Pressler gave up 631 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 1: his plans to go to medical school and become a 632 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: brain surgeon. Instead, he sues Jamie Fox and others for 633 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: everything from negligence to emotional distress. Wow, okay is that 634 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,359 Speaker 1: happening in this case? Don't know, but we do know 635 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: Paltrow has been on the stand giving her side of 636 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: the story. I want to go back to ski safety 637 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: expert at RYE Risk Consulting dot com, Mark Danola, What, 638 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 1: if anything do slopes do to avoid crashes just like 639 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: this one? Well, the ski patrol is the front line 640 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: for any ski area to give the safety message that 641 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,760 Speaker 1: you've got to ski in control and stop a fashion 642 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: that you can stopper avoid other people or objects and 643 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 1: let the people downhill have the right of way. Typically 644 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: a ski area like the one in question, um, they 645 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:47,239 Speaker 1: would be advertising ski safety when you buy your tickets, 646 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: when you're at lunch, maybe on the hill at the 647 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: when you get on the list. So it's it's a 648 00:40:53,680 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 1: well known effort by the ski area operators to you 649 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,840 Speaker 1: have the safety message that you've got a skin in control, 650 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: especially if this is a bunny slope, a learning slope, 651 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 1: and you've got your children with you. I would think 652 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 1: that this would be a pretty tame way to introduce 653 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: them to skiing. And to Jason Jensen, private investigator, owner 654 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 1: of Jensen Private Investigations and co founder of Coal Case Coalition, 655 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:26,320 Speaker 1: what should investigators be doing to prove this case one 656 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: way or the other? Well, definitely, what was kind of 657 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 1: alluded to earlier today is that if you're going to 658 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,440 Speaker 1: sue somebody for any injury, you're going to want to 659 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: have independent witnesses to corroborate your claims. Especially here where 660 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: we've got competing lawsuits where she's counterclaimed, You're going to 661 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: want to have better evidence than he said she said, 662 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 1: So you'll want to go take an investigator and go 663 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,840 Speaker 1: find anybody that may have been involved with you during 664 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 1: that day, whether it be ski patrol, ambulance, medical, you know, 665 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 1: the masseuse people at the at the concierge or whatever 666 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,839 Speaker 1: that could help you corroborate that your claim was made 667 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: early on Nancy Yeah, jumping Karin Stark, what is that 668 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: the ski instructor? Exactly would he be considered impartial to 669 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: Emily Ashcraft? Was a ski instructor right there when it happened. Yeah, 670 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 1: so he says he didn't see it happen, but he 671 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 1: saw the immediate aftermath. It would have taken a few 672 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 1: seconds for it to happen. And you know, another issue 673 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 1: to doctor Harvey Castro joining us and you can find 674 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:46,879 Speaker 1: him at Harvey Castro md dot info. Doctor Castro, I'm 675 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 1: hearing about his injuries, his broken fractured ribs and his 676 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: alleged concussion slash brain injury. I'm hearing about her half 677 00:42:55,120 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 1: a day loss of skiing. But really, those injured race 678 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 1: don't tell me whose fault it was, really, do they correct? 679 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,840 Speaker 1: It doesn't. It's hard to tell. And you know, hindsight 680 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, you know, in the emergency room we do 681 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 1: a cat scan, but by now I know he's had 682 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:16,799 Speaker 1: multiple m RIS, multiple scans, multiple exams by different providers. 683 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,720 Speaker 1: There should be a laundry list of different medical records 684 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 1: that they should be able to go back and look 685 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 1: at these symptoms to see if these are truly medical. 686 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: As an aside, I'd really want do you every want 687 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,319 Speaker 1: to know about this, because I don't think a lot 688 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 1: of people know this, But doctor Wendell Gibbey, he's actually 689 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: the radiologist that read this cat scan or initially, but 690 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,840 Speaker 1: he actually owns an AI company And I'm not promoting 691 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 1: his company in anyway, but I find it interesting that 692 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 1: you have the founder CEO of a major corporation reading 693 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 1: a cat scan on a very famous case. And it 694 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,319 Speaker 1: makes me wonder if the cat scan radiologist called him 695 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: and said, hey, this is a big case. We want 696 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 1: you to be on this. And if you go on 697 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 1: his website, it's really interesting because he talks about himself 698 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,879 Speaker 1: being a practicing middle interventionist radiologist of his own technology 699 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,360 Speaker 1: that he uses, So it almost seems kind of interesting 700 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,520 Speaker 1: how all of this is coming to play because of 701 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 1: this particular case. You know, doctor Castro, I would never 702 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 1: have thought of that, but I do love Daryl Cohen 703 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,240 Speaker 1: before I take a case to trial, to look at 704 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 1: every single shred, every sintilla of evidence I can find 705 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 1: about each witness so I can spread it on them 706 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,800 Speaker 1: on cross examination or alternately prepare them for an intense 707 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:37,880 Speaker 1: cross examination if they're my witness, right, regret it, well, 708 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,919 Speaker 1: I hope all the lawyers just heard what doctor castro 709 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 1: I said. Guys, we're waiting for the outcome of this case. 710 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 1: Gwyneth Paltrow, if she loses, she's going to have to 711 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,680 Speaker 1: make a lot more of vagina candles. Nancy Gray signing 712 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:50,759 Speaker 1: off goodbye for