WEBVTT - The $10 Billion Startup Training AI to Replace the White-Collar Workforce

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<v Speaker 1>The ten billion dollars start up training AI to replace

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<v Speaker 1>the white collar workforce. Mercy is promising to replicate most

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<v Speaker 1>professional work. It was also co founded by twenty somethings

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<v Speaker 1>who previously never held a real job. By Tom Foster

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<v Speaker 1>read aloud by Mark Lydorf. When Tasha Kozak, a social

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<v Speaker 1>worker for the Hillsborough County Public Schools in Tampa, met

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<v Speaker 1>the family, they were living in a car. The three

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<v Speaker 1>children's grades had been slipping, The mother was exhausted, the

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<v Speaker 1>father was out of the picture. Kozak began helping them

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<v Speaker 1>connect to housing resources. She checked in with the children

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<v Speaker 1>every couple of days at school. She called the mother

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<v Speaker 1>every three or four. After several months, the family found

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<v Speaker 1>stable housing. The children began to improve in school. I

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<v Speaker 1>saw the mom got her glow back, and she started

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<v Speaker 1>getting more consistent work shifts. Kozak says, moments like that

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<v Speaker 1>are why Kozak does the work. She didn't set out

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<v Speaker 1>to become a social worker, but after taking an elective

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<v Speaker 1>in it in college, she changed her major, and more

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<v Speaker 1>than a decade later, she still calls social work her passion.

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<v Speaker 1>The job, she says, is about listening, connecting, helping in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that feels instantly meaningful. In her view, about

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<v Speaker 1>seventy percent of effective social work is that human relational component.

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<v Speaker 1>The rest is administrative. On many evenings, after finishing her

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<v Speaker 1>full time job with the district, Kozak logs into a

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<v Speaker 1>website called Mercore. The San Francisco startup mercore dot io

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<v Speaker 1>recruits workers in high skill fields doctors, lawyers, investment bankers, journalists,

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<v Speaker 1>social workers, you name it, to help teach artificial intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>systems how to do their work. The company places these

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<v Speaker 1>experts in part time or temporary contract roles to work

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<v Speaker 1>on training projects for major tech companies and AI labs.

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<v Speaker 1>Clients that have included OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>the Uber of advanced AI training, a gigwork platform for

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<v Speaker 1>white collar and skilled professionals that offers a path for

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<v Speaker 1>them to earn something extra from their expertise at the

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<v Speaker 1>risk of eventually sacrificing their careers to AI. Like many

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<v Speaker 1>of Mercer's contractors, Kozak first heard about the company through

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<v Speaker 1>a LinkedIn job posting. School had just let out for

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<v Speaker 1>the summer in twenty twenty five, so she had spare time,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was curious about the rise of AI. She

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<v Speaker 1>landed an interview and found herself on camera talking to

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<v Speaker 1>an AI agent with a gentle female voice and a

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<v Speaker 1>surprisingly natural conversational style. When Kozak described a specific case

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<v Speaker 1>she'd handled, the agent followed up with targeted prompts, tell

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<v Speaker 1>me more about the parent in that situation, with the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of probing detail she was used to hearing from

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<v Speaker 1>human supervisors. Two weeks later, she was working on her

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<v Speaker 1>first assignments, and today she earns as much money training

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<v Speaker 1>AI for twenty hours a week as she does in

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<v Speaker 1>forty hours helping actual families. Social work is a very

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<v Speaker 1>underpaid occupation, she says. Her work for Mercore is methodical

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<v Speaker 1>and narrow. Kozak is part of a virtual team that

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<v Speaker 1>writes prompts for an AI model to perform specific social

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<v Speaker 1>work tasks based on fictitious case files, For instance, asking

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<v Speaker 1>the AI to produce a social developmental history of an

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<v Speaker 1>elementary school student who needs an individualized education plan. The

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<v Speaker 1>case file includes notes from a parent interview, a student interview,

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<v Speaker 1>a review of student records, and a doctor's report. Another

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<v Speaker 1>team reviews the AI's responses, and still another handles additional

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of the training process. There are hundreds of people

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<v Speaker 1>on the project, Kozak says maybe more. Her team alone

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<v Speaker 1>includes about forty contractors. Hour by hour, highly segmented, task

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<v Speaker 1>by task, they translate professional judgment into training data. Across

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<v Speaker 1>the US, other professionals are doing the same. In San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 1>a doctor of internal medicine named Milania Punacha works fifty

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<v Speaker 1>to sixty hours AGAY week as a full time pediatric

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<v Speaker 1>hospitalist on the night shift and logs into mercor on

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<v Speaker 1>her days off for an additional ten hours or so,

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<v Speaker 1>asking an AI model to interpret lab results and evaluating

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<v Speaker 1>its work. In Baton Rouge, Louisiana, the novelist and screenwriter

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<v Speaker 1>Robin palmer Blanche started evaluating AI generated creative writing for

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<v Speaker 1>Voice and Structure last August. Palmer Blanche, a mother of

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<v Speaker 1>two who struggled to make a living from writing since

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty twenty three Hollywood Writers Strike, is part of

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<v Speaker 1>a large swath of Mercore workers who are under employed

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<v Speaker 1>in their professions and use the platform to patch together income.

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<v Speaker 1>She sometimes finds herself chatting with a Mercore teammate on Slack,

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<v Speaker 1>only to realize there are other novelists doing it too.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I read that woman's book last year

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<v Speaker 1>and fell in love with it. Mercor has tens of

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of such experts working on its platform, screened using

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<v Speaker 1>those AI run interviews and project specific skills tests and

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<v Speaker 1>practice tasks. In the three years since the company started,

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<v Speaker 1>it's raised almost five hundred million dollars in venture capital

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<v Speaker 1>from a who's who across Silicon Valley in finance, including Benchmark,

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<v Speaker 1>General Catalyst, Peter Teel, Jack Dorsey, and Larry Summers. The

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<v Speaker 1>most recent round of funding in October valued Mercor at

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<v Speaker 1>ten billion dollars, five times what it was thought to

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<v Speaker 1>be worth just a few months earlier. According to the company,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been profitable since its inception. It pays out more

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<v Speaker 1>than two million dollars per day to contractors, and it

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<v Speaker 1>has about three hundred full time employees, largely engineers and

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<v Speaker 1>project managers. The founders, Brendan Foodi, adarsh Hiramat and Suri Amida,

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<v Speaker 1>three early twenties college dropouts who were buddies in high school,

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<v Speaker 1>have become the youngest ever self made billionaires, at least

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<v Speaker 1>on paper. Mercor's rapid rise has also brought controversy, including

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<v Speaker 1>several class action lawsuits now moving through California courts and

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<v Speaker 1>a recent data breach that raised questions about how the

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<v Speaker 1>company handle sensitive information and led one of its clients,

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<v Speaker 1>Meta to indefinitely pause its work with the startup. If

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<v Speaker 1>Mercore and its backers are right, the company is uniquely

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<v Speaker 1>positioned to help AI become the economic force. Silicon Valley

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<v Speaker 1>has been promising. Most of what's been seen from AI

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<v Speaker 1>so far, they argue, has been something of a dazzling

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<v Speaker 1>consumer demo. Going beyond that, making the technology perform reliably

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<v Speaker 1>in professional fields where mistakes carry real consequences is fundamentally

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<v Speaker 1>about feeding the models better training data, says Sundeep Peachew,

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<v Speaker 1>managing partner at the VC firm Felicis Ventures, which led

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<v Speaker 1>Mercor's two most recent funding rounds. The first generation of

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<v Speaker 1>data was from the Internet, he says, and that allowed

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<v Speaker 1>companies to build very general purpose models. But for AI

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<v Speaker 1>to become truly economically useful and not just a toy thing,

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<v Speaker 1>someone has to get humans to tell the model, step

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<v Speaker 1>by step how they actually do their work. At this moment,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to understand why people are so willing to

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<v Speaker 1>feed the machines that might one day render them obsolete.

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<v Speaker 1>Anxiety about job loss is everywhere. Job openings in professional

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<v Speaker 1>and business services have fallen by more than a million

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<v Speaker 1>from their post pandemic peak in twenty twenty two, according

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<v Speaker 1>to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. About forty two percent

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<v Speaker 1>of recent college grads are under employed, according to a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five report from the Federal Reserve Bank of

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<v Speaker 1>New York, and a study last year by the American

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<v Speaker 1>Psychological Association found that fifty four percent of US workers

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<v Speaker 1>are experiencing significant stress about job in security. Mercore's listings

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes ads from the company itself and sometimes from third

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<v Speaker 1>parties using Mercore links that allow them to collect referral fees,

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<v Speaker 1>Saturate LinkedIn, and other job boards, offering a respite from

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<v Speaker 1>all that. Mercore says its average hourly pay is about

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<v Speaker 1>ninety dollars, though the range is wide, from generalists barely

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<v Speaker 1>scratching minimum wage to elite coders or PhDs making two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty or three hundred dollars per hour. Someone

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<v Speaker 1>working on Mercore Project's full time at ninety dollars per

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<v Speaker 1>hour would earn almost one hundred and ninety thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a year. There are plenty of workers who view Mercore

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<v Speaker 1>as a grim final stop to monetize their expertise before

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<v Speaker 1>professional extinction. Kozak doesn't see it that way, saying her

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<v Speaker 1>reason for doing the work is far more practical. She

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<v Speaker 1>envisions herself off loading social work's tedious thirty percent, the paperwork,

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<v Speaker 1>the reports, so she can spend more time doing the

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<v Speaker 1>parts that can't be automated, coaching someone through a bureaucratic maze,

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<v Speaker 1>gaining a grieving mother's trust. She worries about the potential

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<v Speaker 1>for AI to develop systematic biases, say overlooking cultural differences,

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<v Speaker 1>but sees her training as all the more valuable for

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<v Speaker 1>that reason. Doctor Punache is more explicit about the stakes

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<v Speaker 1>for her own career. I am doing this just because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to become obsolete, she says. Medicine is

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<v Speaker 1>evolving rapidly, and AI is going to be part of

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<v Speaker 1>that evolution, whether we want to participate in it or not.

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<v Speaker 1>If history has taught us anything about revolutions in productivity,

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<v Speaker 1>it's that productivity is the tide that lifts all boats.

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<v Speaker 1>Brentan foodie, declares one morning in February. The sandy haired,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three year old co chief executive officer and co

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<v Speaker 1>founder of Mercor has the standard Techno Optimists conversational habit

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<v Speaker 1>of jumping from earthly matters. In this case the field

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<v Speaker 1>of management consulting to historical analogies and abstract principles. Asked

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<v Speaker 1>how a future Mackenzie consultant replaced by AI would gain

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<v Speaker 1>expertise without the traditional entry level drudgery. Foody zooms out

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<v Speaker 1>to a mainstay Silicon Valley position two hundred years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>when most Americans were farmers, the tractor didn't destroy work.

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<v Speaker 1>It pushed people into different kinds of employment. AI will

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<v Speaker 1>do the same, he says, eliminating some tasks, yes, but

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately creating more value, more opportunity, more progress. History offers

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<v Speaker 1>some support for that view, but the path from one

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<v Speaker 1>kind of work to another has rarely been painless or quick.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to cure cancer and solve climate change and

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<v Speaker 1>go to Mars, Foody says, and I think humans will

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<v Speaker 1>work on a lot of those things once we have

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<v Speaker 1>more productivity in accounting or whatever. These more back office

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<v Speaker 1>functions are from where Foodie sits in a glass walled

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<v Speaker 1>conference room on the thirty third floor of a San

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco skyscraper. The bay extends beneath him in miniature, with

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<v Speaker 1>container ships sliding past and ferries carrying commuters to innumerable

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<v Speaker 1>office buildings. From this height, the physical economy looks less

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<v Speaker 1>like the labor of millions of individuals living full lives

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<v Speaker 1>and more like a table model whose tiny pieces could

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<v Speaker 1>be shuffled with mere keystrokes. Instead of being luddites and

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<v Speaker 1>leaning against the technology, we should instead focus on what

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<v Speaker 1>are the jobs of the future that we need to

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<v Speaker 1>lean into, he says. Footy acquires his rhetorical instincts as

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<v Speaker 1>a competitive debater and perpetual hustler in high school in

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<v Speaker 1>San Jose, where he met Hiramat and Meta. All three

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<v Speaker 1>were raised in tech industry households. Hiramot and Meta are

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<v Speaker 1>the sons of Silicon Valley engineers. Foudie's father founded an

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<v Speaker 1>interactive graphics company, and his mother worked in Meta's real

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<v Speaker 1>estate division. As high schoolers, Foodie earned hundreds of thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars as a consultant for sneaker resellers, while Hiramot

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<v Speaker 1>was geeking out on computer vision research. Meta declined to

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<v Speaker 1>speak to Bloomberg BusinessWeek. By their second year of college,

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<v Speaker 1>Hiramat at Harvard University, FOODI, and Meta at Georgetown. The

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<v Speaker 1>three figured they'd learned enough and applied for a Teal Fellowship,

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<v Speaker 1>which pays kids two hundred thousand dollars to leave college

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<v Speaker 1>and start companies in fields such as cryptocurrency and human longevity.

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<v Speaker 1>I think people overestimate the value you get out of

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<v Speaker 1>a four year degree, but underestimate the value you get

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<v Speaker 1>in one or two years. Hiromot says. The bulk of

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<v Speaker 1>the personal development just comes from living on your own

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time. Knowledge acquisition is even less relevant

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<v Speaker 1>today than it was three years ago, he says, because

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge is just kind of free in chat GPT. The

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge that I want I can just obtain with a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of prompts. The three had just begun to zero

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<v Speaker 1>in on AI training when they started the fellowship in

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<v Speaker 1>early twenty twenty four. The company's original idea was a

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<v Speaker 1>far more sweeping version of LinkedIn. The labor market might

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<v Speaker 1>be the most inefficient marketplace in the world. Foody figured,

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<v Speaker 1>with billions of people looking for work, millions of companies

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<v Speaker 1>looking for talent, and no central clearinghouse connecting the two

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<v Speaker 1>mercor would build a kind of global labor aggregator, where

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<v Speaker 1>everyone everywhere could apply, an interview and be vetted for

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<v Speaker 1>every job, and algorithms would match workers to opportunities with

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<v Speaker 1>near perfect precision. In Foody's telling, even the concept of

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<v Speaker 1>a full time job with a single employer was something

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<v Speaker 1>of a relic. What companies actually need needed were discrete

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<v Speaker 1>units of expertise, tasks that could be broken apart, distributed,

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<v Speaker 1>and completed by whoever in the world happened to be

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<v Speaker 1>best suited to them. To make any of that possible

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<v Speaker 1>would require assembling an extraordinary amount of data about people.

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<v Speaker 1>They began with an AI powered tool for screening software

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<v Speaker 1>engineers that served as a prototype for the far bigger

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<v Speaker 1>system they imagined. They changed focus, though, when AI companies

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<v Speaker 1>began to need not only engineers but also other domain

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<v Speaker 1>experts who could help train and test the models. Mercore

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<v Speaker 1>built a tech platform to host the training itself and

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<v Speaker 1>demand exploded. Venture capitalists eager to fund anything tied to

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<v Speaker 1>the AI boom, started calling Mercoor raised three million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>in early twenty twenty four, led by General Catalyst. It

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<v Speaker 1>raised another round every six or eight months after that.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty million dollars, one hundred million dollars, then three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty million dollars last October. Footy Here and Meta

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<v Speaker 1>were also working around the clock, encouraging their growing team

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<v Speaker 1>to adhere to a schedule known as nine to nine

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<v Speaker 1>six in the office from nine am to nine pm

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<v Speaker 1>Monday through Saturday. The regiment first became popular in China

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<v Speaker 1>in the twenty tens as the country built out its

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<v Speaker 1>tech industry. It's now illegal there. Felicia's investor Peachu says

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<v Speaker 1>Foodi and his partners were so hard to pin down

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<v Speaker 1>that he eventually flew with them to Las Vegas on

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<v Speaker 1>a Sunday, the one day they weren't working to drive

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<v Speaker 1>ferraris on a racetrack, just so he could get a

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<v Speaker 1>little uninterrupted time with them on the plane. The founders

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<v Speaker 1>weren't old enough to drink at that time, and none

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<v Speaker 1>of them had ever held a professional job, but the

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of millions of dollars being plowed into their coffers

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<v Speaker 1>came with a mandate to remake the very nature of

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<v Speaker 1>white collar work in Silicon Valley. That didn't raise any

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<v Speaker 1>alarms about naivete or blind spots. Quite the contrary, Adam DeAngelo,

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<v Speaker 1>a Mercor investor who became Facebook's chief technology officer at

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<v Speaker 1>Day twenty two before co founding Qua, says he asked

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<v Speaker 1>Foody at one point about his work experience. FOODI said

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<v Speaker 1>he'd had an internship one summer perfect. Dangelo said, your

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<v Speaker 1>mind isn't corrupted by the conventional way of doing things.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back with the ten billion dollars start

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<v Speaker 1>up training AI to replace the white collar workforce. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to the ten billion dollars start up training AI

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<v Speaker 1>to replace the white collar workforce. Over the past year,

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<v Speaker 1>criticism of Mercor's platform has become a refrain in online forums,

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<v Speaker 1>news reports, and court filings, Beginning as these things often

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<v Speaker 1>do with anonymous online posts. Reddit in particular contains no

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<v Speaker 1>shortage of grievances from contractors who've cycled through the platform.

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<v Speaker 1>Projects are chaotic, disorganized, and unpredictable. Workers are treated like

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<v Speaker 1>human cattle. The company is building the plane while flying.

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<v Speaker 1>Contractors signed strict confidentiality agreements before beginning work, and many

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<v Speaker 1>fear being removed from its projects if they speak publicly.

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<v Speaker 1>They gripe about slack channels full of motivational chatter and

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<v Speaker 1>rocket ship emoji from project managers, but few concrete answers

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<v Speaker 1>about when work will arrive or advance notice when it stops.

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<v Speaker 1>Like many forms of digital piece work, Mercor's projects are

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<v Speaker 1>closely measured and monitored while they're underway, with software tracking

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<v Speaker 1>productivity and time spent on each assignment. It turns out

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<v Speaker 1>some jobs pay not by the hour, but by the task.

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<v Speaker 1>A frustrated contractor BusinessWeek spoke with, who asked for anonymity

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<v Speaker 1>because he'd signed what a mercoor's non disclosure agreements, has

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<v Speaker 1>been job hunting for almost a year for a full

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<v Speaker 1>time position to make use of his master's degree in physics.

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<v Speaker 1>After he joined Mercoor. His first contract paid thirty dollars

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<v Speaker 1>per task, but he soon learned that the time it

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<v Speaker 1>took for him to complete tasks anywhere from an hour

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<v Speaker 1>to a full day, was often far greater than the

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<v Speaker 1>company's estimates, making the pay too low to justify the work.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a variation of a complaint that services online about

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<v Speaker 1>hourly projects too. Contractors sometimes quietly do part of their

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<v Speaker 1>work off the clock to keep their productivity numbers in

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<v Speaker 1>line with company benchmarks, out of fear of being off boarded.

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<v Speaker 1>Mercy speak for getting booted. A mercoor spokesperson says that

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<v Speaker 1>many experienced contractors prefer task based work because increased efficiency

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<v Speaker 1>can lead to higher effective hourly earnings. Last fall, one

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<v Speaker 1>Mercor contractor dispute spilled into the press when Forbes reported

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<v Speaker 1>that thousands of people working on a large project were

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<v Speaker 1>abruptly locked out without warning. Several hours later, some said

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<v Speaker 1>they were invited back to continue the work, but at

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<v Speaker 1>pay rates roughly a quarter lower than before. Mercore disputed

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<v Speaker 1>the accuracy of the claims and said it was working

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<v Speaker 1>to offer more predictability. The company also alleges that some

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<v Speaker 1>of the people who complain about being let go are

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<v Speaker 1>simply liars. We found cases where people have been doing

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<v Speaker 1>no no work or doing time fraud. Hiramat says, we

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<v Speaker 1>have demonstrable evidence of them committing fraud, but they still

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<v Speaker 1>post about it on Reddit when their contract has been eliminated.

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<v Speaker 1>As criticism of Mercore has grown, lawsuits have followed. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the complaints filed late last year by a finance

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<v Speaker 1>professional named Michael Cox, who worked on Mercore projects, lists

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<v Speaker 1>open Ai as a co defendant and accuses the companies

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<v Speaker 1>of running what it calls a scheme to misclassify workers

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<v Speaker 1>while exercising the kind of control normally associated with an employer.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the filing, Mercoy required Cox to install a

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<v Speaker 1>productivity monitoring software on his computer, creating a level of

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<v Speaker 1>surveillance so intrusive as to trivialize the notion that this

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<v Speaker 1>was a legitimate independent contractor relationship. In another passage, the

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<v Speaker 1>complaint says the company's alleged neglect of employment norms was

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<v Speaker 1>so brazen as to almost by definition, constitute wilful misclassification.

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<v Speaker 1>Mercore and OpenAI haven't publicly responded to the suit, and

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<v Speaker 1>a Mercoors spokesperson says that they don't plan to at

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<v Speaker 1>this time. Two other suits against mercor make similar misclassification claims. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were a job seeker on LinkedIn last fall,

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<v Speaker 1>Mercy suddenly seemed to be everywhere. Listings offering hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars an hour to lawyers, doctors, and programmers flooded the platform,

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<v Speaker 1>prompting another wave of social media speculation, this one less

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<v Speaker 1>about working conditions than about whether the whole thing was real.

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<v Speaker 1>Some users began posting on various sites speculating that the

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<v Speaker 1>listings were an elaborate data harvesting scheme in which fake

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<v Speaker 1>applications and AI interviews were designed to collect valuable personal information.

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<v Speaker 1>Mercoor says that this isn't the case, and that it

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<v Speaker 1>uses interviews only to evaluate candidate's skills for jobs on

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<v Speaker 1>the platform, and again the company suggests its critics are

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<v Speaker 1>the scammers. Foodie says the LinkedIn deluge wasn't about Mercoor

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<v Speaker 1>harvesting data, but about a few high volume fraudsters harvesting

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<v Speaker 1>referral fees because it pays users to bring new contractors

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<v Speaker 1>into the fold. There were probably ten people specifically that

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<v Speaker 1>were causing problems, he says. In October, Mercoor banned refers

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<v Speaker 1>from using the name mercor when they post job ads

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<v Speaker 1>for the roles on LinkedIn. Still, postings from third party

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<v Speaker 1>referral outfits have continued. Mercore listings from one such organization,

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<v Speaker 1>a recruiter called Crossing Hurdles, based on the outskirts of

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<v Speaker 1>New Delhi, are a constant presence on LinkedIn. A mercor

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<v Speaker 1>spokesperson tells BusinessWeek that Crossing Hurdles has no official affiliation

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<v Speaker 1>or partnership with Mercy. They post roles on various job

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<v Speaker 1>sites using their Mercore referral link crossing hurdles didn't respond

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<v Speaker 1>to multiple requests for comment. Mercor made another change last fall.

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<v Speaker 1>It moved its third co founder, Meta into a new

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<v Speaker 1>position Chairman of the board, handing his previous role running

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<v Speaker 1>operations to a more seasoned executive, Sundeep Jain, a former

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<v Speaker 1>chief product officer at Uber Technologies. In evoking his previous employer,

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<v Speaker 1>Jane says that the complaints circulating online aren't surprising and

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<v Speaker 1>that early stage marketplaces rarely distribute work evenly. There will

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<v Speaker 1>be some drivers that will be busy all day and

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<v Speaker 1>others that'll be a little bit less busy, he says.

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<v Speaker 1>Communication hiccups, payment disputes, mismatched expectations, those are classic problems

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<v Speaker 1>of a marketplace. But on March thirty, first, the young company,

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<v Speaker 1>growing at breakneck speed and reliant on a handful of

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<v Speaker 1>high profile clients experienced something far worse than a hiccup.

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<v Speaker 1>Mercor disclosed that attackers had infiltrated its systems in a

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<v Speaker 1>sprawling supply chain hack. The breach coming through a corrupted

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<v Speaker 1>open source developer tool called light LLM that thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>companies use. Struck at the core of Mercor's business. As

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<v Speaker 1>much as four terabytes of data, including possibly training data

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<v Speaker 1>and user's personal information, were exposed, according to online posts

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<v Speaker 1>from the hackers. The company announced it was conducting a

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<v Speaker 1>thorough investigation, supported by leading third party forensics experts, but

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<v Speaker 1>the fallout was swift. Along with Meta pausing its projects

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<v Speaker 1>with Mercor, contractors assigned to those projects suddenly found themselves

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<v Speaker 1>without work. In the first week after announcing the breach,

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<v Speaker 1>Mercor was hit with five lawsuits accusing it of failing

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<v Speaker 1>to protect contractor's data. Mercore declined to respond to BusinessWeek's

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<v Speaker 1>questions about the origin and extent of the hack and

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<v Speaker 1>its impact on clients and users. Open Ai Andthropic and

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<v Speaker 1>Google didn't respond to requests for comment on whether they're

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<v Speaker 1>now re evaluating their relationship with Mercor. Beyond the messy

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<v Speaker 1>day to day mechanics of atomizing jobs into training tasks

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<v Speaker 1>is a bigger question. Are the machines actually getting good

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<v Speaker 1>enough to do the work for themselves. In the past year,

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<v Speaker 1>the AI industry has tried to answer that question, mostly

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<v Speaker 1>with a growing ecosystem of evals or evaluation frameworks like

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<v Speaker 1>a standardized test. An eval measures a large language model's

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<v Speaker 1>math ability, reasoning, or factual accuisi, but not typically the

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of specific, judgment heavy tasks that white collar workers

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<v Speaker 1>do all day. Mrcore has developed its own test, a

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<v Speaker 1>project called apex AI Productivity Index that attempts to do

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<v Speaker 1>just that. It measures professional performance and then posts the

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<v Speaker 1>results on the web for anyone to follow as a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of industry leader board. As Foodie put it when

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<v Speaker 1>announcing the initiative last October, AI can pass the bar exam,

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<v Speaker 1>but can it redline a contract? To build apex murcoor

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<v Speaker 1>has worked with some of its most accomplished contractors to

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<v Speaker 1>design short professional scenarios and problems in five fields so far, law, medicine, management, consulting, investment, banking,

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<v Speaker 1>and software engineering. Advisors overseeing the effort include Harvard Law

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<v Speaker 1>professor Cass Sunstein, cardiologist Eric Topel, and former McKenzie Global

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<v Speaker 1>managing partner Dominic Barton. Former Treasury secretary and Mercore investor

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<v Speaker 1>Larry Summers was until recently also affiliated with the project.

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<v Speaker 1>Beneath them is a larger bench of experts, more than

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred lawyers, bankers, consultants and clinicians, who build and

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<v Speaker 1>review the actual test cases, the models do the work,

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<v Speaker 1>and their responses are graded against expert benchmarks to see

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<v Speaker 1>how close they come to professional quality. One case, for instance,

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<v Speaker 1>centers on a fictional wellness company expanding overseas. A Google

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<v Speaker 1>workspace contains the kind of unwieldy digital paper trail a

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<v Speaker 1>junior consultant might inherit on the first day of a project,

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<v Speaker 1>sales data customer surveys, cost projections, and strategy memos scattered

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<v Speaker 1>across spreadsheets and PDFs. Mercor's experts prompt AI models to

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<v Speaker 1>answer strategic questions such as calculating how rising ingredient costs

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<v Speaker 1>might affect pricing or recommending an expansion strategy, and define

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<v Speaker 1>what the correct answer should look like. Then the work

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<v Speaker 1>becomes even more granular, building a checklist or rubric of

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<v Speaker 1>precise criteria the model's output must satisfy. Only once the

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<v Speaker 1>prompt and rubric are complete do the models attempt the task.

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<v Speaker 1>Their answers graded against the rubric line by line, So far,

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<v Speaker 1>the models fall short. The best can produce useful work

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<v Speaker 1>in certain areas, but they are not exactly reliable employees.

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<v Speaker 1>Mercor's own research notes that top systems still struggle on

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<v Speaker 1>complex real world tasks, failing to meet the production bar.

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<v Speaker 1>The results mirror what other attempts to measure AI's real

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<v Speaker 1>world impact have been finding. In March, Anthropic released a

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<v Speaker 1>chart that compared what AI systems appear capable of doing

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<v Speaker 1>with how often they're actually being used on the job.

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<v Speaker 1>The gap was striking, and the chart went viral. White

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<v Speaker 1>collar knowledge work fields looked highly exposed to AI in theory,

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<v Speaker 1>but in practice only a small slice of the work

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<v Speaker 1>was being handled that way in the real world. The

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<v Speaker 1>research drew criticism for its methodology. For one thing, the

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<v Speaker 1>measure of AI's theoretical potential is inherently subjective and doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>count for logistical or legal hurdles to adoption, But the

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<v Speaker 1>basic takeaway that AI still has a long way to

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<v Speaker 1>go was hard to dispute. Meanwhile, Mercor says it seeing

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<v Speaker 1>marked improvement in APEX scores as the AI giants release upgrades.

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<v Speaker 1>A recent chat GPT model tops its current rankings. But

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<v Speaker 1>Opus is the one that has blown us all away,

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<v Speaker 1>says Foodie, referring to Anthropics claud Opus four point six,

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<v Speaker 1>which performed eighteen percent better than its predecessor after just

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<v Speaker 1>a few months, still Even though APEX tries to approximate

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<v Speaker 1>real professional scenarios, forcing agents to navigate complex environments and

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<v Speaker 1>choose the right tools for a given task, it's more

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<v Speaker 1>structured than the open ended work people actually do. Gardner

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<v Speaker 1>analyst vuk Yanisevich says APEX is a credible bridge between

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<v Speaker 1>lab performance and business usefulness, but he cautions that a

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<v Speaker 1>high score on this benchmark does not prove that the

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<v Speaker 1>system can be governed and integrated at scale inside a

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<v Speaker 1>live process. And then there are the human aspects of

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<v Speaker 1>the work that APEX may never be able to measure.

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<v Speaker 1>When doctor Punice examines a patient, for instance, a surprising

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<v Speaker 1>amount of information comes not from lab reports or imaging,

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<v Speaker 1>but from touch. A trained hand on an abdomen can

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<v Speaker 1>detect subtle tension or swelling that doesn't appear in a chart.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't think AI is going to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to do that, she says. Still, Kosak's notion that only

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<v Speaker 1>thirty percent of her social work will be replaced by

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<v Speaker 1>AI might be wildly optimistic. Investors are certainly hoping so.

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<v Speaker 1>When Jack Dorsey's financial technology conglomerate Block laid off forty

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<v Speaker 1>percent of its workforce in March, ostensibly because of efficiency

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<v Speaker 1>gains from AI. It's stock swored twenty percent. Mass layoff

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<v Speaker 1>announcements at Meta and Amazon have been met with similar

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<v Speaker 1>pops in the stock price. After all, the market optimizes

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<v Speaker 1>for shareholder value, not professional enrichment. Crystallina georgievaaging director of

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<v Speaker 1>the International Monetary Fund, has warned that AI will affect

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<v Speaker 1>roughly forty percent of global jobs in the next few years.

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<v Speaker 1>Foodie argues that the transition will ultimately create new categories

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<v Speaker 1>of work, and what kinds of jobs are those? We

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<v Speaker 1>believe that a large portion of what humans do in

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<v Speaker 1>companies is going to transform to training agents, he says.

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<v Speaker 1>Mercor is already gearing up to cash in on that future.

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<v Speaker 1>Earlier this year, the company elevated Hiramot to co CEO

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<v Speaker 1>and began pushing into a new line of business helping

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<v Speaker 1>corporations deploy agents. Mercor is pitching itself as a sort

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<v Speaker 1>of agent implementation partner, not designing agents itself, but building

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<v Speaker 1>the guardrails to steer that AI in the right way.

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<v Speaker 1>This opportunity, Hiromot says, is enormous, and it could give

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<v Speaker 1>the company a far larger client base than a few

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<v Speaker 1>AI labs, all the Fortune five hundred, all the Fortune

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand could want to integrate models into their own

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<v Speaker 1>work flows, he says, and they're kind of clueless in

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<v Speaker 1>this model. Mercore is suddenly also in the technology consulting

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<v Speaker 1>game two. While Mercor makes a play for an even

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<v Speaker 1>bigger part of the white collar workforce, its contractors sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>find themselves pondering what Poonacha calls very dystopian implications. What

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<v Speaker 1>if patients begin to trust AI over their physicians. What

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<v Speaker 1>if wealthier people continue to have access to human doctors

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<v Speaker 1>and poorer people just get the AI ones. Mercoor's new

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<v Speaker 1>operations head, Jane, meanwhile, is consumed by imagining the limitless

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<v Speaker 1>number of disciplines and workflows still left to automate. Chefs

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<v Speaker 1>and private investigators are already in progress, and any number

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<v Speaker 1>of supposedly AI prooved trades such as plumbing are no

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<v Speaker 1>less exposed than, say, medicine. If there is a ceiling,

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<v Speaker 1>Jane says, we're nowhere near it,