1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: I really find that those moments of synchronicity, you can't 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: write them, but whatever you're doing, whatever you're pursuing, being 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: aware of those signposts becomes really a positive kind of affirmation. 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 2: Welcome to off the Cup, my personal anti anxiety antidote. 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 3: I need to start by saying, I'm. 6 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: A forty five year old, happily married woman, but I 7 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 2: had two major crushes growing up as a young girl. 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 3: One was Donnie Wohlberg. The other was my next guest. 9 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: And he's here and I'm avoiding looking at him as 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 2: I say this because it's embarrassing, but I have to 11 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 2: be honest, and I've. 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 3: Never told him this. I don't think it is because 13 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:44,319 Speaker 3: of him. 14 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: I believe that I truly imagined I would grow up 15 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: to marry a nice Jewish doctor. I was convinced of 16 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: it when I was first introduced to doctor Joel Fleischmann 17 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: as an eleven year old Catholic girl from Boston. Let 18 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 2: me tell you, my world opened up and I really 19 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: felt like, oh, this is a kind of man I 20 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: had not seen on screen before. I didn't know this 21 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: kind of man existed, and I definitely needed him in 22 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: my life. I did not marry a nice Jewish doctor. 23 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 2: But I did date a nice Jewish lawyer at one point. 24 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: It was the closest I got to Joel Fleischman until 25 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 2: I met the actor who brought him to life. 26 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 3: And I'm so glad I did. 27 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: He's wonderful, he's smart, he's kind, he's caring, he's a 28 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 2: multi talent and. 29 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 3: Belongs to the best men's club in Hollywood. Rob Morrow, 30 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 3: welcome to off the cup. 31 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: Thank you. S See, that's so sweet of you. You 32 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: have a little bit of Maggie O'Connell in you. I 33 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:43,639 Speaker 1: think I just occouraged to me. I think you do dying. 34 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,279 Speaker 2: I mean, if if it makes it any less awkward. 35 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: But my crush was on Joel Fleischmann. Sure we can 36 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: still talk and have a normal relationship, right. 37 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: Yes we can, Okay, But you know it's funny my mom, 38 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: my mom. You know, when I was becoming an actor, 39 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: she you know, she was worried about her son trying 40 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: to become an actor, and she was always trying to 41 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: push me into different fields. Obviously, doctor was never going 42 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: to happen, since I, you know, barely passed a test 43 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: from the seventh grade on. But lawyer was the big thing. 44 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: She really She kept saying to me, you know, lawyer 45 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: is they a lot of them take acting class because 46 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: they have to be able to perform in court, you know, 47 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: and so they have to be able to and so 48 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: that was her where she thought she'd compromise by by 49 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: having me be the acting lawyer. But it didn't worry. 50 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 3: I think it all worked out. It all worked out 51 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 3: for the best. 52 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,399 Speaker 2: I want to talk about northern exposure and so much more, 53 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 2: but we need to start with your men's group. For 54 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: listeners who do not know, go right now to Instagram, 55 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: like pause this podcast. Follow Rob Morrow at Official Rob 56 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: Morrow and just look at his posts of lunches in La. 57 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 2: He posts these regularly, and there he is with Richard Kind, 58 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: Jason Alexander, Brian Cranston, Noah Wiley, Stephen Webber, Alfred Kevin Pollack, 59 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: Michael mccannon, Eric McCormick, love Arburton. It is a who's 60 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: who of Hollywood, and it has to be Rob the 61 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: funnest lunch of all time. 62 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: It is, truly. It's such a gift. And I whenever, 63 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: you know, whenever we start to schedule them, I'm just 64 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: like clear my skin, like I'm literally going to be 65 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: in New York next in the end of the month, 66 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: and I'm coming back just to come to one of 67 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: the meals. 68 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 3: I don't blame you. 69 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: They're so they're really lovely, and it's funny you call 70 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: it a men's group because it is that, you know, 71 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: yet you know, we go by the Cadsters, which is 72 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: the it stands for Character Actors Dining Society. But it 73 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: is a men's group and we are we're, you know, 74 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: in the in the best way that women's groups. You know, 75 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: women are allowed to be more vulnerable and share things 76 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: in the way that men traditionally are not, and we do. 77 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: We share a lot of deep personal you know, fears 78 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: and concerns as well as joy and insights. And the 79 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: show anecdotes are endless. 80 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 3: I mean, I can't even imagine. 81 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: They're so priceless. 82 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 3: You know, how did you get inducted? 83 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just got asked to come. I 84 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: think maybe Spencer Garrett asked me to come to one, 85 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: and then I was in. Oh my god. 86 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: Spencer Garrett is a friend of mine as well because 87 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: his girlfriend is my colleague, Dana Bash. 88 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm about to read a book. 89 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 3: Did you read great? 90 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: Yep? 91 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, yeah. 92 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 2: And I was just talking to Dana about the fact 93 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 2: that I was gonna have you on and I'm gonna 94 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 2: try and get Spencer to come on too, but We've 95 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: already had Stephen Weber on the pod, so I'm like, 96 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: really running, I'm running through this group. 97 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: There you go, You'll get through them all. 98 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 2: I guess it looks amazing. 99 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 3: It looks amazing. I'm so jealous. 100 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: It's really fun. It's really it's really it's really Uh, Spence. 101 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 3: How did you get started in the business? 102 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: You know, I never thought about it. I don't come 103 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: from a show biz family at all. It never occurred 104 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: to me that I would, you know, it never occurred 105 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: to me that that was a way to make a living. 106 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: I was a disaster of a student from the third 107 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: grade on and really bad, Like I'm not joking that. 108 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: I don't think I passed a test From the seventh 109 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: grade on. I took a GED at the beginning of 110 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: my senior year, which I cheated on and then was 111 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: off and pursuing my career. It never occurred to me 112 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: in retrospect there was a little bit of writing on 113 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: the wall in that I was a bit of a 114 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: class clown a bit, you know, I was. We would, 115 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: you know, in my neighborhood, the kids would all kind 116 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: of play act different TV shows. Lost in Space was one, 117 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: or Mannix or Star Trek, and we would dress up 118 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: and kind of act out, you know, in a very 119 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: kind of rudimentary way. And it didn't occur to me 120 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: until I was sitting in the movie theater. I was fifteen. 121 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: I was watching the movie Grease, and I just had this. 122 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: I can only describe it as an epiphany. It came 123 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: up into my realization, not that I was going to 124 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: try it, that I was going to be an actor. 125 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: It was like and it was basically it was John 126 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: Travolta's the sense of fun he was having, and I thought, well, 127 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: I can have fun if I get paid to have fun, 128 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: you know. And I walked out of the movie theater 129 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: and I said to my friend Tony as if I 130 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: had always thought it, you know, I'm going to be 131 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: an actor. And he was like, oh, I didn't know that, 132 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh yeah, yeah. And that was it. 133 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: I had this raisindetra and it saved my life. I 134 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: really think I would have been in a lot of 135 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: trouble and I ended up working with John a couple 136 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: of times, and he told me a lot of actors 137 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: have told him that. I don't say he's the reason, 138 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: but he was a major catalyst. 139 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: And you you're an extra on SNL at age eighteen, 140 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: Is that right? 141 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? It's an interesting thing again. You know, I just 142 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: wrote a memoir and it deals one of the major 143 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: themes is kind of synchronicity and these things that happened. 144 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: So I'm fifteen in Florida, living with my dad. My 145 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: parents are divorced. I want to be an actor now, 146 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: so I'm thinking every wh which way I can to 147 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: figure out how to do it. I'm acting in the 148 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: school plays. I see an ad somewhere for looking for 149 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: extras to be caddies in the movie Caddy Shack and 150 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: I caddied as a kid. I had I had to 151 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: make money starting around thirteen or so. So I caddied 152 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: and so I showed up. And because I caddied, they 153 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: loved it because I was a real kid, you know. 154 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: I wasn't I was, you know. And that's a lot 155 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: of caddies are kids within there's usually like a junior 156 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: and a senior caddy. And Brian Doyle Murray, Bill's brother 157 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: who took you know, who co wrote the movie, took 158 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: an instant liking to me because all the Murray brothers 159 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: were caddies and I had this into wish you not 160 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: to overact, so a lot of extras, often you know, 161 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: bad extras. You'll see they'll be like kind of making 162 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: expressions about the emotions of a scene, and you know, 163 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: obviously they don't want that, and so so they saw 164 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: that I could kind of be subtle, and I ended 165 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: up cutting school for like six weeks. My dad kicked 166 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: me out of the house. I lived with my grandparents, 167 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: and I I'm all over that movie. I'm like Waldo, 168 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: I'm everywhere, a little kind of chubby version of me. 169 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: Everywhere you can see I'm in a lot of times. 170 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: I'm in the purple mesh football jersey or gene vest 171 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: over the Bushwood Country Club T shirt. I'm there. And 172 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: so at the end of that movie, and it was 173 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: like I became like the mascot of the set because 174 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: I was this real kid. All the other kids had 175 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: to go back to school, and you know, they would 176 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: all show you know, the camera guys would show me 177 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: about the cameras and my lo keif would tell the 178 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: lunch ladies that I was the star, and and it 179 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: got you know, I got I saw what movie I watched, 180 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: Bill Murray, you know, improvise, you know. I remember saying 181 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: to the script girl, like, why does it every he 182 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: take seem like he's doing something different. She was like, 183 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: because he is sweetheart me. And she was like you know, 184 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: and rolled her eyes like how hard it was for her. 185 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: But at the end of the movie, Brian takes a 186 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: call sheet and writes his number on it, and he says, hey, kid, 187 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: you know you ever come to New York, give me 188 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: a call. So that's fifteen two years later. I'm seventeen. 189 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: I moved to New York to pursue the career, and 190 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: I called the number. It's like Willie Wonka's gold ticket 191 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: in my wallet, Like I appreciate it. I call him 192 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: up and I get through to him and it's as SNL. 193 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: It's nineteen seventy nine, and he says, I can't tell 194 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: if he remembers me or not, but he's like, yeah, 195 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: come on up and bring some pot, right, And I 196 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: was like, okay, So I didn't know where to get pot, 197 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: you know, So I was I went down to Washington 198 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: Square Park and I scored some like a couple joints 199 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: or one joint or something. And I show up at 200 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: SNL and they bring me. I go up to the 201 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: eighth floor and he comes out and he says, Oh, 202 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: we got a sketch you're going to be in. I 203 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: had thought I was just visiting, but he was like, Oh, 204 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: we're going to put you in as an extra. And 205 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: it happened to be that Rodney Dangerfield was hosting Who's 206 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: in Caddyshack? And they put me in this sketch and 207 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: I give Brian the joint and I think he was 208 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: disappointed because it was just a joint, Like, I think 209 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: you hot. And he disappears and I'm an extra in 210 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: this jury scene. I'm in one of the jurors in 211 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: the back. And cut to thirteen years later. I'm hosting SNL. Yeah, 212 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: and you show up on Monday and you have a 213 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: kind of lay of the Lamb chat with Lorn. He 214 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: tells you what it's going to be like, and I say, 215 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: you know, I was on the show and he was 216 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: like what it was like? Yeah, And he says, you know, Pam, 217 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: get the tape fromteen, So they get the tape and 218 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: sure enough I'm there, and that becomes the kind of 219 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,599 Speaker 1: heart of my monologue, my opening monologue I made my 220 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: first Parents. It was nineteen eighty. I was in a 221 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: classic piece called the Substitute Judge. 222 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 2: It was it was me and Gilda, it was Jane Garrett, 223 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 2: Billy Murray. 224 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 3: What a grateful circle? 225 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, Storry, Yeah, I really find that those moments of synchronicity. 226 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: You can't write them, but I do think that whatever 227 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: you're doing, whatever you're pursuing, being aware of those signposts 228 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: becomes really a positive kind of affirmation. And at a 229 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: certain point I started to kind of see them and go, Okay, 230 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: this is the right direction. Oh, this is where I 231 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: should go. You know, I love that. 232 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: So how does the role of Joel Fleischmann in Northern 233 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 2: Exposure come to you? 234 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: So I'm ten years in, I I've done one hundred 235 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: plays from the works you know little can we curse 236 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: on this or no want to? So we're shitty, little 237 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: basement plays and you know, off off Broadway things that 238 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,599 Speaker 1: like four People. It was where I learned that in 239 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: actors equity, there's a rule that if you're if the 240 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: if the cast is larger than the audience. You don't 241 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: have to do the show. No, that's what there was 242 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: then anyway. But we always did them anyway because we 243 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: didn't care. You know, we were just getting our miles 244 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: on our skis and and uh just you know, I 245 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: co founded this theater company, Naked Angels, with all these 246 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: great artists you know that are household names now, and 247 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: we did all these plays and and then I started 248 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: to get on the short lists. You know. I did 249 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: one other TV series called Tattgers, which was created by 250 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: Bruce Paltrow Winnis Dad and in Tom Fontana, and it 251 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: was a it was a bomb. My friend Robbie Bates 252 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: called it a hybrid of everything ever bad on television. No, 253 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: but it would got you know, it got me working 254 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: and learning how to act for the camera, which is 255 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: a completely different animal. And so now ten years in, 256 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: it's like that Malcolm Gladwell book. You know, it takes 257 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: ten years to make a master, so to speak, of 258 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: a skill, and the outliers, I think it's called and 259 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: at that point, so so I know what I'm doing, 260 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm on a lot of anytime anything 261 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: casting in New York, you know, in a certain age range. 262 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: I'm going in for it and often at that point 263 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: directly for the directors as opposed to being screened. And 264 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: they brought me in for Northern exposure, and I remember 265 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: reading it and it read like no other TV script 266 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: I had read. It read like a movie and it 267 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: just fit, you know. I went in and I read 268 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: for the two guys who created A Josh Brandon, John 269 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: Folsey and at Universal offices on Park in fifty seventh 270 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: and it just fit. And you know, like the next 271 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: day they were they wanted to make a test deal, 272 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: which is a weird thing, you know, actors have to 273 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: do where you make a deal before you audition for 274 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: seven years of your life. And it becomes very complicated 275 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: when the show becomes a hit, because you know, they're 276 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: making hundreds and hundreds of millions and you're making the 277 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: number you will whatever they gave you take, you know. 278 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: And so so I they make this deal. They fly 279 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: me out to La I test for. I do a 280 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: reading for the people at Universal, the executives there, and 281 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: the next day I go to the network for the 282 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: what the official test, and I go in and into 283 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: this basement at CBS at Television City and you go 284 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: into this black box, unadorned theater with a bunch of 285 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: executives in seats that you can't really see, and there's 286 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: no bedside. No one's like saying anything. They don't do 287 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: anything to make you comfortable. You're just kind of there. 288 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: And I show up and I walked down the hall 289 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: and it's one other guy and like five girls and 290 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: one the end. And the other guy was you know, the 291 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: opposite of me, waspy, kind of blonde, you know, And 292 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: so I thought, okay, it's between me and him. And 293 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: then and then shortly thereafter after I read the first time, 294 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: it was just me they he didn't stick around, so 295 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: I thought, okay, it's mine to win. And then I 296 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: went through I read with all the different girls, and 297 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: the last one was Jeanine, and uh, we just clicked, 298 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: you know, and we got in the elevator after we 299 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: took the elevator up, and I said, you know, it's 300 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: you and me, and she was like okay. And then 301 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: she she told me later she thought I was that 302 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: I was hitting on her. 303 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 3: Did you did you want the role really badly? 304 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: I don't know about really badly. You know, at that 305 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: point you start to inure yourself to those kind of 306 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: expectations because and there's so many auditions, which is a 307 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: great thing because it kind of takes the onus off 308 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: of anyone. It wasn't like I was thinking, Oh, this 309 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: is the one I've always been waiting for. I'm ready. 310 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: You know. It wasn't like that, but I like that 311 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: it was you know, had kind of higher ambitions than 312 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: a normal TV show. You know that it had kind 313 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: of philosophical, metaphysical, you know, spiritual aesthetic considerations that I 314 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: hadn't seen a lot, and so I was. I was 315 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: into it. 316 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's airing again on Amazon Prime. And let 317 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 2: me tell you, I put on an episode to watch 318 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: with my son and it was almost. 319 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 3: Emotional for me, like eight or nine or it was 320 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 3: he's nine. Yeah, and. 321 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 2: It was emotional for me to watch this with him 322 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: after all of these years because the show really did. 323 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: It meant a lot to me, and you know, to 324 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 2: be watching it through his eyes is just a very 325 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 2: cool thing. 326 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: What did he think? 327 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 3: He thought it was weird? 328 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 2: Yes, you know, because kids are used to like very 329 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: different programming now, you know, with streamers and you know. 330 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 3: The kinds of shows that that they watched like the 331 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 3: Flora's Lava and you know, weird stuff. He thought it was. 332 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 3: He was he thought it was weird. 333 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 2: It was a weird show, but he it made him 334 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 2: want to go to Alaska, which is great. I've been 335 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 2: many times and can't wait, can't wait to take him. 336 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 2: But it was just an episode. We're going to keep 337 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 2: watching it together because there's just so much to grow 338 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: into on that show. Did you have your daughter watch it? 339 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: My daughter's watching it now, she's watched She watched it occasionally, 340 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: but you know, there were a lot of years where 341 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: she didn't if I was in it, she didn't care, 342 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: which is I think normal. But now that now that 343 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: Amazon it came up on her things, you would like 344 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: actually watching it. 345 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 3: And now it's cool. 346 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: And really digging it. And it's what I love about it. 347 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: Is like because when I was writing the book, I 348 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: went back and watched all the episodes which I hadn't seen, 349 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: including the I don't know if it's seven or eight 350 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: after I left, which I had never seen. And I'm 351 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: amazed how well the show holds up even aesthetically. Most 352 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: show period shows, the aesthetics are the thing, the giveaway, 353 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: But because everyone's in plaid and genes and parkers and 354 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: pickup trucks, and the themes are universal. It really holds 355 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: up and the social media bombardment I get daily from people, 356 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: you know, fifteen year olds watching it and eighty year 357 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: olds watching it's it's really heartening. 358 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 3: Well, I love that. 359 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 2: It's such a gem of a show, and it really 360 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 2: did put this new for me, this new kind of 361 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 2: guy up there on screen. 362 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 3: It was it was different. 363 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 2: Doctor Flashman was a different kind of male figure, absolutely. 364 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: And he's kind of like, you know, arguably i mean, 365 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: one of the first Jewish protagonists and uh, you know 366 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: that's that was a cool thing. 367 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 2: But without being like a Woody Allen character, without being 368 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 2: sort of like an you know, a stereotype or a 369 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 2: cartoon of of that kind of character. 370 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 3: He was so real and I mean, you they were. 371 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 1: Very conscious of that. They wanted to not be that stereotype. 372 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: You know. 373 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 3: That was well, it really worked. This character jumped off 374 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 3: the screen. 375 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 2: This character was so real and obviously that's a you know, 376 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 2: credit to you and your tremendous talent, but just the 377 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 2: character development was so so good and thoughtful in that show. 378 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thank you. It was you know, there was. 379 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: It was so rich. They gave me so much to do. 380 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: And as I said, you know, I was ready. I was. 381 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: I have confident about few things in life, but I 382 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: was confident about acting. I knew I had so much 383 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 1: experience that I was good to go. And I just 384 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: hit the ground running. And you know, you talk about timing, 385 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: it was just great timing and. 386 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 3: You were ready for it. It was you were ready 387 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 3: for that moment. 388 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: I was ready for that moment. Yeah, And it was 389 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: really fun and exhausting. I mean, it was brutal those 390 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: first two seasons because we were super low budget for 391 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: a TV and we were shooting seven day episodes including Saturdays, 392 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, and it was and I was in every scene, 393 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: you know, and I'd be like, I'd shoot thirteen hours 394 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: and I'd go home and I'd look at the next seven, eight, 395 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: ten pages. I had to learn, you know, with all 396 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: this medical jargon that I didn't even know how to pronounce, 397 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: let alone knew what it meant, you know, and I'd 398 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: have to sit there and figure it out, and then 399 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: you know, pass out on my bed with these medical encyclopedias. 400 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. 401 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about Janine Turner I know Janine because 402 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 2: of politics, oh yeah, I mean she got into. 403 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 3: She got into politics. 404 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 2: We we were for one moment we were kind of 405 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 2: in the same place, and then we went kind of 406 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,239 Speaker 2: separate ways, just politically. But she was lovely. Was she 407 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: political when you guys were working together. 408 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: Not as much as she became. I mean, I think 409 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,479 Speaker 1: the you know, it was somewhat bred in the bone 410 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: where she came from and that world. So but she 411 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: she became more so after the show. 412 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she did. So the show ends. You leave 413 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 3: the show, right. 414 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: I left the show after one hundred and one or 415 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: five episodes, I can remember one, I think one hundred 416 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:55,239 Speaker 1: and one or because it was time, you know, it 417 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: was time, it was I did one hundred episodes. You know. 418 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: It was like, you know, the thrill for me is 419 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: the creation of something. And I often say, you know, 420 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: Shakespeare couldn't write one hundred great episodes. It's like and 421 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 1: when I look at Northern Exposure, I think, you know, 422 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: and again I have a you know, particular experience, but 423 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: I'd say there were ten or twelve great episodes and 424 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: the rest were good, and so it was time for 425 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: me to explore, to move on. 426 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, I gotta say, Quiz Show is a 427 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: perfect film. I've seen it dozens of times. That's not 428 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: an exaggeration because it's so rewatchable. And it stars you 429 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 2: and Ray Fines, and I mean an absolutely incredible performance 430 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 2: from Jonathan Turtureau, and I mean Mira Sorvino, David Paymer, 431 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:55,719 Speaker 2: directed by Robert Redford. I mean, this is like stars colliding. 432 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 2: How did that role come to you? 433 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: You know, first it was like I think it. I 434 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: think of it like I'm playing in the minor leagues 435 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: and I get called up to the majors, to the 436 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: All Star game, to pitch to pitch, you know, it's like, 437 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: it's fun. The script came to me with a package 438 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: from my agents, you know, with these videotape of Dick 439 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: goodwhen doing an interview. 440 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 3: And the real Dick good one because you're playing a real. 441 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: Person, the real Dick Goodwin, Richard Goodwin, and an excerpt 442 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: from the book he wrote, Remembering America, which was what 443 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: the movie was based on. And I read the script 444 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: and it was really fat. It was like one hundred 445 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: and fifty pages, which is long, and I was fascinated. 446 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: You know, it's just a fascinating yarn. 447 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 448 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 1: And it's funny because I was old. I was I 449 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 1: wasn't born or when these or maybe I was just born, 450 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: you know, I was too young to remember it. But 451 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: yet somehow it's it seeped into the culture. So I 452 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: was aware of these scandals. I don't know why, but 453 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: I just they just seemed very very familiar, because it 454 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: was somehow in the Zeitgeiser something. And I looked at 455 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: this tape, this video of Dick, and I started to 456 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: a very particular way of talking with his voice back 457 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: in his throat, you know, with this Boston you know 458 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: Brookline accent, and and I just zeroed right in on it. 459 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 1: And I had to do I was in Seattle, so 460 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: I had to do a tape of some scenes and 461 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: we sent him off and and then I got this 462 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: call like weeks later saying, you know, somehow Robert Redford 463 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: knew that I was going to be in New York however, 464 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: and he wants me to come in and read with 465 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: for him. And so I was like, you know, those 466 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: kind of things. I've had a lot of those kind 467 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: of experiences where to me it was almost I already 468 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: won by getting to go meet and work act for him. 469 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: You know, it was already a win, so it didn't matter. 470 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,239 Speaker 1: I mean, it mattered that if I got it, but 471 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: I was I already felt like cool, if that's all 472 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: I get, I'm lucky, Like I get to go and 473 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: and referenced one of those guys that I I metabolized 474 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: his performances before I even was aware of it. You know, 475 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: at that acting what acting was, and his stillness and 476 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: his intelligence and those those gazes of his you know, 477 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: they became a part of me. And there I was 478 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: going to meet him and then act with him or 479 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: act because because so I go up to his office 480 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: and we go into his conference room and we chat 481 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 1: and we're just hit it off right away. You know, 482 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: I don't know why, you know, he just he just 483 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: I felt really comfortable around him. And we chatted and 484 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: then we started to rebrought in Bonnie Timmerman, the casting director, 485 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: and we started to read and then at one point 486 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 1: he says, let me read with him. And so I'm 487 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: acting with Robert Redford, which was so trippy because he's 488 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: like doing these Robert Redford faces at me, and I'm like, 489 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: I started laughing at one point, and he's like, what 490 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: the what are you laughing at? And I said, well, 491 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: you're you know, making these Robert Redford, there are you? 492 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: And I think he said something like, well, who should 493 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: who should I Whose face should I be? Paul Newman 494 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: something like that, and he told me that Paul Newman. 495 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: That's that's when he because then he told me that 496 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: Paul Newman what he was talking to him about playing 497 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: the rafe's father. Oh yeah, the brilliant Paul Scholfield. 498 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 3: Oh what a great job. Yeah. 499 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 2: I mean, everyone is so good in that film, so good. 500 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 2: It is a good story. And I did not know 501 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 2: that story because I was young. 502 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: But it's one of. 503 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 2: Those movies that like for a generation, Like there's a 504 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 2: generation that only got to know about Apollo thirteen from 505 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 2: the movie Apollo thirteen. And I think a generation who 506 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 2: only knows of these quiz show scandals this era through 507 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 2: this movie, this brilliant, brilliant movie. I don't know if 508 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 2: people know that Goodwin, the real life person you played, 509 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 2: became the husband of Doris Kern's one. 510 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: That's right. 511 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 512 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: And I went and stayed with them up in Massachusetts, 513 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, and they just regaled me with 514 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: stories and Dick became a real friend for some years 515 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 1: after and check this out. So we go. They do 516 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: a premiere in d C. And I don't know why, 517 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: but I was the only actor there, Bob and me 518 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 1: and and that's it and uh. And it's a big premiere. 519 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: So all the you know, DC movers and shakers were there. 520 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 1: And Dick calls me up in the hotel and he goes, 521 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: you know, we're there on you know, on the studio's dime. 522 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: And he's like, you want to go, you want to 523 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: go roam around? You want to go to the White House. 524 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: And I was like yeah. He's like okay. So we 525 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: go get the car takes us to the White House 526 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: and we're going up to the West Wing and I'm 527 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: sitting in the back and my girlfriend with me and 528 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: Dick and me and I'm drinking a soda and we 529 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: go over up speed bump and it goes all in 530 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: the mind. Sure as we're pulling up to the West 531 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: Wing and I'm like the ah. And my girlfriend was 532 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: a costume supervisor, so she was like take it off, 533 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,719 Speaker 1: turn it backward and put it on. And I had 534 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: my suit so it didn't. So we go into the 535 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: White House and we're supposed to go say hi to 536 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, and he's too busy, go figure and uh 537 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: so they so they bring us up and we go 538 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 1: hang out with Al Gore in his office and he 539 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: and Dick hold court and and we you know, Al 540 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: knew a lot about New Redford from the environmental causes 541 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: and we talk a lot. After this, Dick says, you 542 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: want you want to go? I want to go check 543 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: out the I'm going to show you the Robert Kennedy 544 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: memorial at Arlington I think it is. And uh we 545 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: go there and it's it's this little oval with the 546 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: inscriptions of some of the famous speeches in the you know, 547 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: in the marble, and he's we're looking at the Tiny 548 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: Ripples of Hope speech and he goes, I wrote that. Yeah. 549 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: So he went on, I know, and I was like, well, 550 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: he went on to become from the Christian scandals. He 551 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: became an aid and speech writer for JFK and Bobby 552 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: and I was really good friends with him, and and 553 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: wrote somebody you know, it's credited with creating the phrase 554 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: the great Society. I think he's got these credited with 555 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: a lot of big speeches. 556 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 2: We had Josh mangoit's on the on the podcast, and 557 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 2: his dad was r f K's like body man or 558 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 2: press secretary. I think press secretary. He was his press secretary. 559 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 2: So we've talked a lot about r f K on this. 560 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: Yes, they must have been they must have known each other. 561 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll have to ask him. 562 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 2: Tell me about mother. I'm a big Albert Brooks fan. 563 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 2: Tell me about that and how that came to be. 564 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: We just did. They called me up to do a 565 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: I guess it's some anniversary. So they did it. They 566 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: put out a Criterion, put out a new version, and 567 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: they interviewed a bunch of us, which I just they 568 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: just sent it to me. Well, Albert I was a 569 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: fan of you know, I mean everyone was. Yes, I 570 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: think since Modern Romance was the one that first got 571 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: my attention. 572 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 2: And unsurprisingly broadcast news for me was like, you know. 573 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: Right, of course, I mean he was. It is one 574 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: of the great movies. I referenced it all the time, 575 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: but it wasn't his movie, you know, his the thing 576 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: that you know, there's there were so idiosyncratic and unusual 577 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: and personal and and charming, you know, And so they 578 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: call comes in. I think they they flew me out 579 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: from New York. They were, so they were very interested, 580 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: but they wanted me to audition. At that point, I 581 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: wasn't really auditioning a lot, but but I was like 582 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: for Albert happily. And so I fly out and they 583 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: gave me a couple of scenes to learn. I go 584 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: to Paramount. I go into his little office. It's just 585 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: me and him. He's behind his desk and I'm in 586 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: the chair opposite. You know, it's like a meeting your 587 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: accountant or something. And I put my sides on the 588 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: on his desk and you know, getting ready to do it. 589 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: And we we I get through maybe like five six 590 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: lines and he just goes, I want you to do 591 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: the movie. That was it. Yeah, it was like he 592 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: just I think he just wanted to see that I 593 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: was normal, you know, and I wasn't going to you know, 594 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: And that was it. And so and it was so 595 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: much fun. He had a great situation there. They gave 596 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: him a fortune to make these little movies. So you'd 597 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: work six seven hours, you know, on one scene, and 598 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: that would be the day. And you know, my whole 599 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: thing was I just wanted to and I wanted to 600 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: improv with him, so and he was he would indulge me. 601 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: He'd make me do what was on the page, but 602 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: then we would spend you know, we'd do a couple 603 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: of takes of just messing around, and that was the 604 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: most fun because he's so fast and so funny. And 605 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a lot of outtakes of me cracking 606 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: up somewhere. 607 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 3: Well, I'd love to see those. 608 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 2: I just watched Defending My Life his his doc. 609 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 3: It's so good. It's so good. 610 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: That's the Rob ryaner one. It is so good. 611 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so good. So so then you go back 612 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 3: to TV. 613 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: After Mother I did it, I did it, or I 614 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: did a movie called Last Dance with Sharon Stone. You do, 615 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: I do Maze, I do some bunch of theater. I 616 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: do a play in London on the West End, which 617 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: was an incredible experience. I start developing more material, you know, 618 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: I had made a short film when I was doing 619 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: Northern as director and that kind of got my app 620 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: tight wet for directing and creating stories. And then I 621 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: made Maze and then ended up back on a show 622 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: called street Time for Showtime, which we did about thirty 623 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: three episodes, and I thought it was great. I think 624 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: it was ahead of its time and It starred Terrence 625 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: Howard and me and Scott Cohen and Erica Alexander, and 626 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: it was about the world of parole, those on it 627 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: and those who enforce it. And I just loved it. 628 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: I loved everything about it, the way we made it. 629 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: And it's one of these things that it was like 630 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: Northern until very recently, it's sitting on a shelf at Sony. 631 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: It's never seen the light of days since it aired. 632 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: I think what happens is the music rights become so 633 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: complicated that they just rather not. 634 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 2: Yeah inexpensive, yeah, yeah, yeah, you do numbers. 635 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: Then I do a couple of years after that, I 636 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: do numbers, and then I'm on that for six years. Yeah, 637 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: which was a lot of fun. And you know, it 638 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: can get a little It's not my thing, you know, procedurals. 639 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: It's not really where I live, you know. But I 640 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: had never played a you know, the kind of alpha 641 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: hero guy, you know, the guy that comes in and 642 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: shoots it up. And I'm not a gun guy at all. 643 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: But but I was a kid and I used to 644 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: play cowboys and Indians and all that stuff. So that 645 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 1: part of me was really excited by the idea of 646 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: busting down doors and you know, and and saving the 647 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: day and getting the girl and yeah, and I remember 648 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,879 Speaker 1: they they used to, you know, we have all these 649 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: FBI tech you know, advisors on the set, and you know, 650 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: we'd kind of come into a scene where we'd you know, 651 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: bust it up and they, you know, we'd have these 652 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: these uh right, these automatic rifles, and they the guys 653 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 1: would be like, look, it's not like in the movies. 654 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: You know. It's like you take your moment and you 655 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: just you know, and I'd be like, Okay, I got it. 656 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: They roll the camera. I'd be like because it was 657 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: just so much fun. 658 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 3: I'm sure. And then you get billions huge hit show. 659 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 3: Did you did you know it was? 660 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 2: Was it a hit show already when you got the 661 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 2: role or did you get the role before it? 662 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 1: I think it hadn't aired yet, because I was. I 663 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,240 Speaker 1: was on every season of that show. Yeah, just sometimes 664 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: as much as five times, sometimes as little as two. 665 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: But I think it hadn't even aired yet. 666 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 3: Did you sense that it was going to be so big? 667 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: No? I mean you never do. You don't allow you 668 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: can't allow yourself those thoughts. You know. It's like I 669 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: remember when I got Northern exposure. I didn't. All I 670 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: knew was that they weren't shooting a pilot. They were 671 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,320 Speaker 1: shooting eight episodes, and so I had eight episodes of employment, 672 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: you know, and that was all I could think about. 673 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 1: And it was this billion's never occurred to me, you know, 674 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 1: what would happen. I knew that it was really an 675 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: interesting world that hadn't quite been explored yet. And I 676 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: met Brian on his podcast. He invited me on his podcast, 677 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: and then shortly thereafter asked me to come do that. 678 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: And I've done a couple of things with them. I 679 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: did the one about Uber, right, and I think I'll 680 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: probably do some more stuff with them. They're they're great guys. 681 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 1: And that was such a fun gig because you know, 682 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: I didn't have the pressure of carrying the show, and 683 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: it wasn't a big commitment or anything. And it would 684 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: just kind of fly me into New York, you know, 685 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,720 Speaker 1: a couple of times a year, put me up really nice. 686 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: I'd shoot like on a Monday and then the next Monday, 687 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: so I'd have a week in New York to do 688 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: whatever I want. 689 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 3: But I think which is when we met, probably right, yeah. 690 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: And you know, and then it was mostly most of 691 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: my stuff was just with Giamatti. So it was just 692 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: like so much fun. I would just sit there and 693 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: do these really well written, intricate, charming scenes with Paul 694 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: and spend the day hanging out with him. 695 00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,240 Speaker 3: Oh so cool. 696 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 2: I feel like guys don't get asked this a lot, 697 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 2: So I'm going to ask you, how do you balance 698 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 2: your family and your work life. 699 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: Well, you know, when my daughter was younger, my wife 700 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: took the brunt of it, for sure, So there's that, 701 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 1: you know. But I got married late. I was like 702 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: thirty eight, you know. We didn't have our daughter until 703 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: she's twenty three, you know, So I was, you know, 704 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: what does that make me? You know, late forties, I guess, no, 705 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,439 Speaker 1: early forties, mid forties, And so I was it wasn't 706 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: hard for me to sacrifice, you know, you know, I mean, 707 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,800 Speaker 1: I mean, and I can tell you're a great parent 708 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 1: and you and your husband because I see all your 709 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: Instagram pictures and stuff, and it looks like a great 710 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,839 Speaker 1: your son's having a great time and ye're taking great 711 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,399 Speaker 1: care of them. And but I think you know you're 712 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: younger than me, but but you have to sacrifice so much, Yeah, 713 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: to be involved with your family. But if I had 714 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: done it, if I'd been a minute younger, I probably 715 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,919 Speaker 1: would have messed it up, you know, because I had 716 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: other stuff I had to deal, you know, sow my own, 717 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: so to speak. But by the time we were you know, 718 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: raising two, it was I didn't I didn't care about 719 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: missing out on something. So I was happy to be there. 720 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 1: And and and I love being a father. I just 721 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: love it. I just I just I love her and 722 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 1: I love you know. As soon as she was born, 723 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: it was like instant perspective. It was like, Okay, now 724 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 1: I know what, I know what's important. Up till then 725 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: it was like, well this could be important or that 726 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: could be important. But no, it's like the one thing 727 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: is I got to make sure this creature, you know, 728 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: thrives and and uh so it was uh and and 729 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: and then on top, just to finish your question, I 730 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: got really lucky with the early years. I mean the 731 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: show Street Time we all moved to she was an infant, 732 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: so we moved to Toronto. We were together, you know, 733 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: and so there was weekends and days off, and then 734 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: numbers was six years in LA when she was you know, 735 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: really young, and so I was home every night. Yeah, 736 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 1: that's the hardest part I think for for actors as 737 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: being away and we we we've been lucky that way. 738 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 3: That's great. 739 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,760 Speaker 2: Let's talk about mental health. Tell me about Donnie Hathaway. 740 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that was There's a group that I 741 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: work with called the Tribe with this This wonderful man 742 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: named Kevin Waks runs it, and we do these benefits 743 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 1: a couple of times a year. You know. I'm a 744 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: musician and I go and do songs with them, and 745 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,399 Speaker 1: we do these big concerts and we get a lot 746 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,280 Speaker 1: of kind of big artists to come in and perform. 747 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:48,320 Speaker 1: And Kevin had stumbled upon the notion that of the 748 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: nine eight eight hotline, yeah, which I had never heard of. 749 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: I didn't even know it existed, nor did he the 750 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: suicide line. Yeah, that is, there's a suicide hotline just 751 00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 1: like nine to one one, but it's nine eight eight. 752 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 1: And the statistics of it are, you know, astonishing that 753 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: the success rate they have of getting people talking them 754 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: off the ledge so to speak, when they know about 755 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: it is really great. And so he put together this benefit. 756 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 1: You know, Donnie Hathaway, I guess killed himself. There's some 757 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 1: controversy around it. And we did a benefit recently for 758 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: the nine nine eight hotline and awareness and different foundations 759 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: that deal with suicide prevention. I had one ideation when 760 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 1: I was nineteen, and that was it. I mean, I've 761 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: certainly had my share of depression, but I don't suffer 762 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 1: from the kind of you know, that kind of oppressive 763 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,760 Speaker 1: depression that a lot of people have. I get depressed, 764 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 1: but it goes, and it comes and goes. But I 765 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,839 Speaker 1: did have one ideation, and so I can relate a 766 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 1: little bit, and you know, I just I just you know, 767 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,839 Speaker 1: life is such a gift, and so I understand how 768 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: hard it is for people. I really get it. But 769 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,839 Speaker 1: there's something so beautiful about the way that people can 770 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 1: come to other people's aids and support them and nurture them. 771 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: There was this girl I can't remember her name who 772 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: got up at this benefit we did a couple of 773 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: weeks ago, and she was like twenty three. She had 774 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: tried to kill herself at twelve, and I think again 775 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 1: at nineteen, and now she was on the other side 776 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,240 Speaker 1: of it, and she was a survivor and a beautiful soul, 777 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 1: and she had found the value of life unto itself. 778 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: Ill regardless of what is accomplished, and it was such 779 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,799 Speaker 1: a beautiful thing to see. So I just did a 780 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: little small part. I just helped out. And basically that's 781 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,279 Speaker 1: my rule with charities in general. I just if I 782 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 1: can do it, I say yes. And so but you know, 783 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 1: mental health is I'm so glad that we live in 784 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,880 Speaker 1: a time where it's discussed. That's why one of your questions, 785 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,359 Speaker 1: you know that it's like that that we we can 786 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,840 Speaker 1: address these things because it's it's complicated, the chemistry and 787 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,319 Speaker 1: our brains and the and the and the environments we 788 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: live in and now with social media and and and 789 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 1: all of the you know, difficult things that are going 790 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: on in the world. Very I feel like for my 791 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 1: daughter's age, they've been beaten down into a kind of 792 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 1: low grade cynicism. That said, I'm optimistic because I do. 793 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: I do. I do see a lot of kids that 794 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 1: I do see leadership coming, you know. But but mental 795 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,879 Speaker 1: health is is, uh, we live in a great time, 796 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,320 Speaker 1: you can. You know, I've been in therapy my entire life, 797 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: in and out. I'm in a new one now that 798 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,720 Speaker 1: I really like, and it's it's unusual, but it it 799 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: it saved me because it gave me a safe harbor, 800 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 1: and I get you know a lot of people say it. 801 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,400 Speaker 1: Redford used to call it navel gazing, you know, and 802 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,800 Speaker 1: and I say in my book, naval gaze has its place, 803 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 1: you know, I am. I'm really pro all of these 804 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,320 Speaker 1: programs and any way to make you make you conscious 805 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 1: of your issues. And once your conscious potential is open, 806 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,360 Speaker 1: it's just like ninety eight. Once you know that's there, Okay, 807 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,799 Speaker 1: there's something you can do and vitally, just just before, 808 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 1: we don't want to speak abs susiever, but that John 809 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 1: bon Jovie story killed me. 810 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 3: Did you know that he was already saved someone? 811 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 1: Do you see the video? It's amazing, it's amazing, and 812 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 1: I just fell in love with him. I already liked him, 813 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: but then I was like, oh my god, as if. 814 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 3: We couldn't love him more? 815 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 2: I know, I know, well, listen, therapy saved my life twice. 816 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 2: I also had an attempt when I was in my teens, 817 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,360 Speaker 2: and therapy saved me then and then coming back in 818 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:56,719 Speaker 2: my forties, had a nervous breakdown, you know, dealing with anxiety. 819 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 2: I didn't know that I was dealing with anxiety. I 820 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 2: was just living my life. Life, and I thought actually 821 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 2: doing a pretty good job. I was not, and therapy 822 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 2: saved me yet again. And I'd recommend it for everybody. 823 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,439 Speaker 2: I don't know a person who wouldn't benefit, yeah, from 824 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 2: a really good therapy session. But but I mean certainly 825 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 2: if you're feeling lost, or anxious, or worried or sad, 826 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,720 Speaker 2: depressed down all the things. 827 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, really, it really is a life saver talking right. 828 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,360 Speaker 1: Because it's subjective and it's ideally it's it's objective, and 829 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 1: I'm glad you found ways to deal with that because 830 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a it's a beautiful thing. And 831 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,240 Speaker 1: look at you. You're thriving and you have a great life, 832 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,359 Speaker 1: and think of the alternative, you know, if you if 833 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: you didn't, and the you know, the there's so many 834 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,319 Speaker 1: upsides to the interconnected social media world we live in. 835 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,800 Speaker 1: There's so many downsides, but there's a lot of upsides, 836 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,320 Speaker 1: and one of them is that everyone's kind of reachable 837 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,279 Speaker 1: or all if people are reachable. Yeah, you can be 838 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,080 Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, you know, in a little town, suffering, 839 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,759 Speaker 1: and there's you can reach out to someone in you know, 840 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,719 Speaker 1: another state, another country and help us there. 841 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:18,279 Speaker 2: And you can listen to a podcast where really successful 842 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 2: people like yourself, and this is a theme of this podcast, 843 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,839 Speaker 2: are talking about mental health and talking about getting help 844 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,959 Speaker 2: and talking about struggles or challenges, and that can mean 845 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 2: so much to someone who thinks, wait a second, I've 846 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 2: seen her on the news, I've seen him in the 847 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 2: movies that they're so successful. Anxiety and depression, mental health 848 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 2: do not care that you're successful or wealthy or whatever. 849 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,400 Speaker 3: So it really is impactful to talk about it. 850 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm glad you. 851 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:50,319 Speaker 3: I'm glad you are, and thank you. 852 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:59,959 Speaker 1: Good for you. 853 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,319 Speaker 3: Okay, we're going to finish with the lightning round. 854 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 1: Okay. 855 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,840 Speaker 2: In quiz show, as you mentioned, your character is from Brookline, Mass. 856 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,360 Speaker 3: I am a mass whole myself. 857 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 2: How would you rate your Boston accent in that film? 858 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,279 Speaker 1: I rated ten out of ten, you know. Yet it's 859 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,359 Speaker 1: so funny, because again I write about this in the book, 860 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,640 Speaker 1: I get a lot of social media people will come 861 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,680 Speaker 1: on and say, oh, but that accent was terrible. He 862 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,480 Speaker 1: was awful, you know. And I think that what they 863 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,440 Speaker 1: don't realize is because they don't know that Dick spoke 864 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,040 Speaker 1: in this way. Like if you watch a tape of Dick, 865 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 1: I sound like him, and it's that that thing in 866 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: the back of his throat. And I think people thought 867 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,560 Speaker 1: that that was the accent, but the accent. I had 868 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 1: this great guy, this guy named Tim Monnick, who's like 869 00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,799 Speaker 1: the dialect coach to the stars. And Redford could have 870 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,759 Speaker 1: fired me, could have we could have replaced all the dialogue. 871 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,200 Speaker 1: You know, we knew it worked. So again, so ten 872 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 1: out of ten. 873 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,359 Speaker 2: I also give it a ten thank you because it 874 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,680 Speaker 2: was in addition to being Dick Goodwin's voice, it was 875 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,160 Speaker 2: a specific kind of Boston accent. It wasn't the modern 876 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,799 Speaker 2: day Boston accent that people think about the Wahlbergs. It 877 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,560 Speaker 2: wasn't the Kennedy Brahman accent. It was a Jewish nineteen 878 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,960 Speaker 2: fifties accent. And you nailed it. 879 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:25,720 Speaker 1: Thank you. Okay. 880 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,799 Speaker 2: You mentioned Rodney Dangerfield was the host of that SNL 881 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:36,880 Speaker 2: episode you were on. Who was the band Nirvana? No, 882 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 2: the first one you did. 883 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,759 Speaker 1: Oh that was when I hosted oh oh, the Jay 884 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:41,399 Speaker 1: Giles band. 885 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 2: You got it, okay, And you just said the musical 886 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,840 Speaker 2: guest on the episode you hosted was Nirvana. 887 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,279 Speaker 3: That must have been I. 888 00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,480 Speaker 1: Could do ten minutes on that man, you know, that 889 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,360 Speaker 1: was I don't know if you have time, but I 890 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 1: have an amazed all right, So the band shows up 891 00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,560 Speaker 1: the end of the week, it's like Friday, you know, 892 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,440 Speaker 1: they were that's it, and you know, the whole vibe 893 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,960 Speaker 1: is rock and roll to begin with, but when Nirvana 894 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,120 Speaker 1: shows up, it's really rock and roll. They don't adhere 895 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,759 Speaker 1: to schedules. They're you know, like most bands, they're three, 896 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 1: four or five hours late. And I had a The 897 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,960 Speaker 1: host has a dressing room. It's a small room, and 898 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 1: right next to that is the band's dressing room. To 899 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,959 Speaker 1: this day, it's the same layout. And yet I'm one 900 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,839 Speaker 1: guy in my little room. They're ten people with their 901 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:31,200 Speaker 1: managers and girlfriends. And I knew them because we all 902 00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,520 Speaker 1: lived in Seattle. When I was doing Northern and they 903 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,479 Speaker 1: were coming up, they were in Seattle, so I would 904 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,920 Speaker 1: see them at events and stuff when we kind of 905 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,600 Speaker 1: hung out a little bit, and my god, so I 906 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,239 Speaker 1: wanted to go in and say hi, and I walk. 907 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,640 Speaker 1: I opened the door and they're all like, you know, 908 00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,040 Speaker 1: there's just a small room with a couch and a 909 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,239 Speaker 1: you know, makeup desk and a bathroom and that's about it. 910 00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,719 Speaker 1: And you know, in every corner is some you know, 911 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,440 Speaker 1: girlfriend or manager, you know, just leaning out. And on 912 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:07,200 Speaker 1: the couch is Courtney and and Dave Grohl and Chris 913 00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:13,680 Speaker 1: Novlsek and Courtney's pregnant, and Kurt was out cold on 914 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,799 Speaker 1: the floor right just out cold, right in front of 915 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 1: the door. And so in order to shake everyone's hand, 916 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,520 Speaker 1: I had to step over. Kurt took like, go shake 917 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,520 Speaker 1: Dave's hand, step over his head to say shake this 918 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,200 Speaker 1: one's hand. Stepped over his feet to shake this one's hand. 919 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:36,680 Speaker 1: And they they went on on the show. And the 920 00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,400 Speaker 1: first song they did, you know, Kurt looked like he 921 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,600 Speaker 1: didn't know where he was, like he just was after 922 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,080 Speaker 1: at the end, he just was kind of like And 923 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,680 Speaker 1: the second song they did after it, they trashed the 924 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:54,400 Speaker 1: set all of the who like but it was unrelenting. 925 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,840 Speaker 1: You can watch it if you watch the episode. It's 926 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:02,480 Speaker 1: it's on line and they just ripped the place apart. 927 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,000 Speaker 1: They you know, Groll is picking up his drum and 928 00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,080 Speaker 1: throwing it at Chris Novlsek, who's throwing his base at him. 929 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,640 Speaker 1: And and Kurt's in the on on in front of 930 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:17,000 Speaker 1: these big amps with his fender, ripping off the fabric 931 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,960 Speaker 1: on the and the and it's and it's everything's feedback, 932 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,320 Speaker 1: feeding back, and and and for the life of me, 933 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,239 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, why are they not cutting away? I think 934 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,279 Speaker 1: they were all in shock, and you know they they 935 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,120 Speaker 1: watched you watched this for almost a minute. And and 936 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:37,359 Speaker 1: then after that, Lauren says, you know they they he says, 937 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,640 Speaker 1: they'll never be allowed back on the show. And of course, 938 00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,120 Speaker 1: like a year later, they're back on the show. But 939 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,520 Speaker 1: so the code of what makes this interesting to me 940 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,440 Speaker 1: is that about five years ago, four years ago, my 941 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,320 Speaker 1: friend Gina Gershan, I'm in New York for a weekend 942 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,600 Speaker 1: and I have nothing to do, and she's like, what 943 00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,480 Speaker 1: are you doing Saturday night? And I say, I got 944 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,320 Speaker 1: no plans. And she says, oh, I'm going to go 945 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,040 Speaker 1: up and the Foo Fighters are on SNL. You want 946 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,040 Speaker 1: to go watch it? And I was like, yeah, sure. 947 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:13,239 Speaker 1: So we go up to the show and afterward we 948 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,440 Speaker 1: go back going to the same dressing room now they 949 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,439 Speaker 1: were in, you know whatever billion years before, and it's 950 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,880 Speaker 1: the same setup, except now the manager's got guts and 951 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,000 Speaker 1: gray hair, and you know, and the girlfriends or wives, 952 00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,440 Speaker 1: and it's the same setup. I'm standing in the exact 953 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,120 Speaker 1: spot where I was stepping over Kurt's body. And I'm 954 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,920 Speaker 1: talking to Dave Grohl, who is, you know, the sweetest 955 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,239 Speaker 1: rock star ever, and I'm like, he says to me, 956 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,120 Speaker 1: what do you remember from that night? And I said, 957 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,719 Speaker 1: I told him that story and he said, well, that 958 00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,160 Speaker 1: that was the night that we all had come to 959 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,640 Speaker 1: terms with the fact that Kurt had a real problem. 960 00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,160 Speaker 1: It was at that night that we were like, we 961 00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,480 Speaker 1: are in trouble and this is going to not end well. 962 00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:01,120 Speaker 1: And he killed himself like a year later. Oh, but 963 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,680 Speaker 1: he said, that's when we were like we got to 964 00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,280 Speaker 1: do something. And uh so it was just an interesting 965 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:07,719 Speaker 1: story for me. 966 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,279 Speaker 3: I was there for it, wow, because it was. 967 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,239 Speaker 1: So sad, you know. 968 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,120 Speaker 2: I just felt he was such a sweet soul, you know, 969 00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,000 Speaker 2: and so talented and it was so sad. 970 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it was just on the floor. Like it 971 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,200 Speaker 1: was so shocking for me to walk in there and 972 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,600 Speaker 1: just be like, oh this boys, there's something wrong. 973 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and there was. 974 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,319 Speaker 1: Yeah. 975 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,160 Speaker 3: Well, thank you for sharing. That was a great story. Okay, 976 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,440 Speaker 3: name three real life characters you've played. 977 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,080 Speaker 1: Uh well, I guess I mean so ones that I 978 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:44,120 Speaker 1: haven't well, Isaac Geldhart, Willie Lowman, did you say real 979 00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,280 Speaker 1: life or just character real life real life character people. 980 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:53,960 Speaker 1: John Wilkes Booth, Richard Goodwin yep, god, I played this 981 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,000 Speaker 1: doctor in this Als movie, but I can't remember his name. 982 00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:58,600 Speaker 3: What about a lawyer? 983 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,200 Speaker 1: Oh, Garry Shack, there you go. 984 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:05,560 Speaker 3: What's your favorite place to film? 985 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,520 Speaker 1: Well, I would say my favorite place is in winter scapes. 986 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,960 Speaker 1: You know, I love I love winter, I love skiing, 987 00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,160 Speaker 1: so you know, and there's I call them naar scenes 988 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,440 Speaker 1: no acting required because when you're in this, when you're 989 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,560 Speaker 1: in a beautiful, you know, landscape that's you know, white 990 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,680 Speaker 1: and everything, you don't have to You're just there. You know, 991 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,760 Speaker 1: you don't you don't try, I have to try hard. 992 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,560 Speaker 1: So I would say that or New York City is 993 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:34,360 Speaker 1: pretty great. The thing about New York City is itn'ts 994 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,759 Speaker 1: as you know, like it just informs your energy and 995 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,960 Speaker 1: so when you're shooting, that informs your your the work 996 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,120 Speaker 1: you're doing. And I just I love when, you know, 997 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,600 Speaker 1: movie companies take over the world when they're shooting. They 998 00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,160 Speaker 1: own everything, the light that, the traffic lights, that the 999 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,000 Speaker 1: cops everything, and so you know, it's just so much 1000 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,520 Speaker 1: fun to be able to like own a city for 1001 00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:58,480 Speaker 1: a moment. 1002 00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,520 Speaker 3: You know ye, what's your favorite band or musical artist? 1003 00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:11,759 Speaker 1: M well, so many, I want to say. I guess 1004 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,560 Speaker 1: the Stones are pretty high up there. The Eagles are 1005 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,120 Speaker 1: pretty high up there. John Mayer is pretty high up there. 1006 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,480 Speaker 1: Billie Eilish is pretty high up there. I have a 1007 00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,920 Speaker 1: really eclectic music taste. I listen to everything, you know. 1008 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,600 Speaker 1: I'm digging Coldplay's news. I love Coldplay. I'm going to 1009 00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,520 Speaker 1: see Billy Joe with my daughter on Saturday. Amazing my 1010 00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,920 Speaker 1: favorite artist, you know, I guess i'd go. I'd go. 1011 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,200 Speaker 1: I'd have to go backward and say, like, you know, 1012 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,520 Speaker 1: Beethoven if I had, if you made me reduce it, 1013 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:54,200 Speaker 1: I'd say Beethoven and uh uh django Reinhardt. But I 1014 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,000 Speaker 1: just there's a caveat because you're making me reduce it. 1015 00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:01,080 Speaker 2: I don't know, right, okay, because they're all derivative, right 1016 00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:02,520 Speaker 2: of some you gotta go back. 1017 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:03,319 Speaker 3: I get it. 1018 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,440 Speaker 2: This is a really tough question. Who's the best actor 1019 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:09,560 Speaker 2: at your men's lunches? 1020 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,279 Speaker 1: Wow? You know I want to My first person came 1021 00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:18,640 Speaker 1: to mind was Cranston. He is so damn good and 1022 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,960 Speaker 1: and not only is he good, but when he talks 1023 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,239 Speaker 1: about acting, it's I just learned from him, and I'm 1024 00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,359 Speaker 1: so inspired. He wrote a book and he I tell 1025 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,200 Speaker 1: all the young actors to read this book because he 1026 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,040 Speaker 1: talks about it. He talks about acting in such cojing 1027 00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:39,880 Speaker 1: specific ways that I just he's he he really understands 1028 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:45,920 Speaker 1: it in a deep intuitive way, and and he articulates it. 1029 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,760 Speaker 1: And so if I had to say, I mean no, 1030 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,279 Speaker 1: I mean, look, we got Fred Malina in there, and 1031 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:56,520 Speaker 1: and Jason and and and and never is Weber is underrated. 1032 00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:00,480 Speaker 1: Weber is I think, such a underrated actor. He's un rated. 1033 00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,080 Speaker 1: He's he can do anything kind. I mean, they're all. 1034 00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:05,880 Speaker 1: Eric McCormick is a master. 1035 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,359 Speaker 3: Kevin Pollock I love to. 1036 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,720 Speaker 1: Pollock is a genius. Uh noah, I mean Danny Burns 1037 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:18,080 Speaker 1: scenes in the groups. He's a New York actor. But 1038 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,239 Speaker 1: if you made me reduce it like you did with 1039 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,239 Speaker 1: the music, I'd say I say, I'd say Brian, and 1040 00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,960 Speaker 1: they probably they'd probably all agree. 1041 00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,720 Speaker 3: I think that's an uncontroversial opinion. 1042 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, this last question, it's the most important to 1043 00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,400 Speaker 2: me spiritually culturally. 1044 00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,719 Speaker 3: When is iced coffee season. 1045 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:39,240 Speaker 1: Summer? 1046 00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:45,440 Speaker 2: Okay, wow, it's a year round, is the correct answer. 1047 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,360 Speaker 2: But you're allowed to have that wrong opinion. 1048 00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,600 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I've stopped. I haven't had caffeine 1049 00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:56,279 Speaker 1: in seven months. But it was it was almost like 1050 00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,759 Speaker 1: Pavlovian for me. Comes I don't drink ice coffee. I 1051 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,880 Speaker 1: ever drank ice coffee in the winter, but come summer 1052 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,080 Speaker 1: it would just automatically start to happen like I just yeah, 1053 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,440 Speaker 1: I did it all the time. Yeah. 1054 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,920 Speaker 2: Well, growing up in Massachusetts with Dunk dunkin Donuts around 1055 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,880 Speaker 2: every corner, it's part of my religion is even in the. 1056 00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,720 Speaker 1: Winter, even in freezing, crazy Boston cold. 1057 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,960 Speaker 2: Yes, rob, because I don't it's not precious. I don't 1058 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,560 Speaker 2: need to sip it. I don't want to take a 1059 00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:25,920 Speaker 2: long time. I want it in my. 1060 00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,320 Speaker 1: Mind to get it down. It goes down old. I see. Yes, 1061 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,360 Speaker 1: well so you so I haven't been done it in 1062 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,280 Speaker 1: six seven months, no caffeine, and I was for espressos 1063 00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:36,320 Speaker 1: before noon before that. 1064 00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,800 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Well next time you have an iced coffee, 1065 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:40,200 Speaker 2: think of me. 1066 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,000 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm done. 1067 00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:43,640 Speaker 3: You're never going back. 1068 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:45,840 Speaker 1: No, I love it. 1069 00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,240 Speaker 2: I don't even know what life would what what is 1070 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:49,560 Speaker 2: life like without coffee? 1071 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,320 Speaker 1: It's like so easy. I don't even miss it. I 1072 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:54,880 Speaker 1: don't miss it and I sleep better. 1073 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:56,640 Speaker 3: I'm sure that's true. 1074 00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,920 Speaker 2: I I do limit myself to one a day, so 1075 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,320 Speaker 2: I'm I'm not like amped up on coffee. But but 1076 00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:06,400 Speaker 2: the taste of coffee is so important to me, you. 1077 00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,040 Speaker 1: Know, it's it was the habitual thing that that that 1078 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:14,440 Speaker 1: was that. I just I love not being beholden to 1079 00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,240 Speaker 1: my coffee. I get it. 1080 00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:16,760 Speaker 3: I get that. 1081 00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:17,280 Speaker 1: Well. 1082 00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,280 Speaker 3: Sad to see you gory, tough to lose a good one. 1083 00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,840 Speaker 3: There's more for you, Rob Morrel, Thank you so much 1084 00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,000 Speaker 3: for doing this. It was a great conversation. 1085 00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,400 Speaker 1: You're so sweet, Sie. Thanks for having me. 1086 00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:33,520 Speaker 3: Next week. 1087 00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,920 Speaker 2: On Off the Cup, I talked to actor and screenwriter 1088 00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,320 Speaker 2: Jonathan Check from that thing you do. 1089 00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:42,120 Speaker 1: It wasn't a box office success and that and Tom 1090 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,880 Speaker 1: has been very vocal about the critics. Yeah he has 1091 00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:51,440 Speaker 1: what he said. He said, I'm like Tom and you 1092 00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,000 Speaker 1: were they didn't really see the magic in it at 1093 00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:54,400 Speaker 1: the time. 1094 00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,080 Speaker 2: Off the Cup is a production of iHeart Podcasts as 1095 00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:00,600 Speaker 2: part of the Reason Show Network. 1096 00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,000 Speaker 3: If you want more, check out the other Reason. 1097 00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,919 Speaker 2: Choice podcasts Spolitics with Jamel Hill and Native Land pod. 1098 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,440 Speaker 2: For Off the Cup, I am your host, se cup 1099 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,720 Speaker 2: Editing and sound design by Derek Clements. 1100 00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:13,560 Speaker 3: Our executive producers are me. 1101 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,480 Speaker 2: Se Cup, Lauren Hanson, and Lindsay Hoffman. 1102 00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:18,400 Speaker 3: Rate and review wherever you get 1103 00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:26,680 Speaker 2: Your podcasts, Follow or subscribe for new episodes every Wednesday,