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Speaker 1: Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is

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Speaker 2: We Got lots, Just say.

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Speaker 3: We got lost.

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Speaker 4: Just save what begger and we hope you said because.

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Speaker 3: We got lost.

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Speaker 4: Just say, yeah we got lost.

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Speaker 3: Just say.

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Speaker 4: Here's Bobby and that.

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Speaker 5: What's up, buddy, Buddy, It's so good to see this

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Speaker 5: week too. We'll talk to Wes Walker. You guys were cool.

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Speaker 5: You're good friends back in the day.

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Speaker 3: Best friends really best friends. Yeah, one of those guys

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Speaker 3: that just was my dog, right. We did everything together.

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Speaker 3: It was kind of our group was Welker, Larry is

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Speaker 3: On myself and we would go to Opening Day, right,

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Speaker 3: Celtics when the Celtics won the championship. We actually used

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Speaker 3: like eighteen and oh before we got to the Super

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Speaker 3: Bowl and lost the Giants, and every week we called

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Speaker 3: him it was like four and Iso dinner, five and Isoh.

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Speaker 3: We would go out to different places every single week

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Speaker 3: get after it and that was our routine. But he's awesome,

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Speaker 3: so much fun on and off the field, but was

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Speaker 3: you could pay to any teammate is he played the

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Speaker 3: game the way it was supposed to be played, and

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Speaker 3: he was a true football player. He was fearless, he'd

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Speaker 3: go stick his nose in there. He's undersize, but got

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Speaker 3: the most out of his skill set.

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Speaker 5: What do you think it was between him and Brady

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Speaker 5: that made it work.

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Speaker 3: I think Brady immediately recognized that this kid's gonna put

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Speaker 3: nobody could cover this guy within that ten yard radius

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Speaker 3: he was. He was so elusive, he could set people up,

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Speaker 3: he was a security blanket and I got to see

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Speaker 5: I'm going to talk about the Browns quarterback room for

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Speaker 5: a second, and there are five quarterbacks that are listing

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Speaker 3: You can eliminate it. You can elimit. He'll never play

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Jean Watson will never play for the brown He'll

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Speaker 3: Right And the injury, you just don't know. He not

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Speaker 5: I think if his achilles magically held in three months,

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Speaker 5: Hopefully they'll be able to do some insurance stuff to

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Speaker 5: four quarterbacks Flaco and Kenny Pickett, who we knew before

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Speaker 5: I'm thinking they'll start Kenny Pickett if they want to

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Speaker 5: NBA teams do tank. NFL teams don't really tank because

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Speaker 5: there are too many guys on film that want to

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Speaker 3: So I'd say, if anything, you're going to start Joe

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Speaker 5: He beat a dead guy, right, he beat a guy

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Speaker 5: Was there ever an awkward dynamic in any of your

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know you feel a little bit of tension.

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Speaker 3: I think always until you meet the human after a

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Speaker 3: Now this is a full blown competition. I'm fighting for

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Speaker 5: I have a list I made. I do a list

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Speaker 5: I think at times I forget the Minnesota miracle.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was like one of who is that against?

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Speaker 5: Cool, and that place was rocking. Rodney Harrison at four.

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Speaker 5: In twenty seventeen, picked one forty six to the San

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Speaker 3: Last time we saw him, he was in a Hall

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Speaker 3: Richard Sherman Legion, a boom out of Stanford. He was

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Speaker 5: Was there a corner you just wouldn't throw at is

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Speaker 3: No? I threw at him. He picked me off. I

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Speaker 3: I was like, hey, Jelly. He was like, what's up.

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Speaker 5: In the fifties, was number buying as prevalent when you played?

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00:20:01,096 --> 00:20:03,296
Speaker 5: And was your number open when you went to the team.

437
00:20:03,336 --> 00:20:04,656
Speaker 5: Did you get your first choice at number?

438
00:20:05,016 --> 00:20:05,176
Speaker 3: Oh?

439
00:20:05,215 --> 00:20:05,255
Speaker 2: No?

440
00:20:05,376 --> 00:20:07,616
Speaker 3: Oh? When I walked into the Patriots, they said there's

441
00:20:07,656 --> 00:20:12,696
Speaker 3: your number, no choice whatsoever, not even like, hey these

442
00:20:12,696 --> 00:20:15,816
Speaker 3: are available. No, hey you're sixteen. I was like, okay,

443
00:20:15,816 --> 00:20:17,896
Speaker 3: thanks for coming, and I pretty much wore that for

444
00:20:17,975 --> 00:20:22,936
Speaker 3: most of my career. When I went to the Chiefs,

445
00:20:23,936 --> 00:20:27,096
Speaker 3: obviously I wanted sixteen Lin Dawson, the number was retired.

446
00:20:27,096 --> 00:20:29,455
Speaker 3: They're like, you can't have that one, so we picked seven.

447
00:20:29,495 --> 00:20:31,496
Speaker 3: I think I've told this story before. One plus six

448
00:20:31,576 --> 00:20:34,376
Speaker 3: equals seven. That's how they presented it to me. I

449
00:20:34,416 --> 00:20:36,816
Speaker 3: was like, Eh, that makes sense. But there were guys

450
00:20:36,816 --> 00:20:39,416
Speaker 3: that would come in that wanted a particular number, and

451
00:20:40,656 --> 00:20:45,055
Speaker 3: guys occasionally would just they would say an outrageous price,

452
00:20:45,296 --> 00:20:47,416
Speaker 3: and these are some of these guys are just dudes

453
00:20:47,455 --> 00:20:50,096
Speaker 3: on the team that maybe it were drafted but hadn't

454
00:20:50,136 --> 00:20:53,455
Speaker 3: really proven themselves yet. Where a veteran comes in and

455
00:20:53,495 --> 00:20:56,136
Speaker 3: wants a particular number and they're being cool about it,

456
00:20:56,176 --> 00:20:59,376
Speaker 3: but then they'll say some just outrageous number, and these

457
00:20:59,376 --> 00:21:02,215
Speaker 3: guys are like, are you serious, And a lot of

458
00:21:02,256 --> 00:21:04,696
Speaker 3: them wouldn't do it, And then other guys would just say, fine,

459
00:21:05,136 --> 00:21:07,495
Speaker 3: name your price and I'll pay I'll pay you for it,

460
00:21:07,576 --> 00:21:09,776
Speaker 3: and they were cool about it. Some guys are really

461
00:21:09,816 --> 00:21:11,295
Speaker 3: attached to numbers. Other guys aren't.

462
00:21:11,616 --> 00:21:13,816
Speaker 5: There's the famous Jimmy class and Cam Newton story where

463
00:21:13,816 --> 00:21:16,495
Speaker 5: Cam Newton wanted number one right and Jimmy Classon had

464
00:21:16,495 --> 00:21:17,896
Speaker 5: it and won charge a million bucks for it.

465
00:21:18,256 --> 00:21:21,336
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly. So a million dollars for a number.

466
00:21:21,455 --> 00:21:23,055
Speaker 3: It was like, wait, are you the starter right now?

467
00:21:23,136 --> 00:21:24,975
Speaker 5: Well that's not all crazy.

468
00:21:25,056 --> 00:21:26,455
Speaker 3: Well it's probably one of those things too. You're a

469
00:21:26,495 --> 00:21:29,975
Speaker 3: little bit angry he just drafted. He's definitely gonna come

470
00:21:30,016 --> 00:21:31,495
Speaker 3: in and take your job. I don't wan him to

471
00:21:31,495 --> 00:21:33,936
Speaker 3: take my number two. But did you see Warren Moon

472
00:21:34,056 --> 00:21:37,736
Speaker 3: came in and allowed cam Ward to where number one,

473
00:21:37,816 --> 00:21:40,455
Speaker 3: which was retired for the Tennessee Titans. I did not

474
00:21:40,616 --> 00:21:43,696
Speaker 3: see that. Yes, that's cool. He showed up on the

475
00:21:43,776 --> 00:21:46,376
Speaker 3: day when they were making the presentation and presenting cam

476
00:21:46,416 --> 00:21:48,376
Speaker 3: Ward to the media and everything. On this first day

477
00:21:48,416 --> 00:21:50,815
Speaker 3: after being drafted, he showed up and said that he

478
00:21:50,936 --> 00:21:53,536
Speaker 3: was going to allow cam Ward to be the next

479
00:21:53,616 --> 00:21:55,616
Speaker 3: in line and allowed him to wear his number.

480
00:21:55,656 --> 00:21:57,976
Speaker 5: Did you see where Adill Carter wanted to wear number

481
00:21:57,975 --> 00:21:59,496
Speaker 5: fifty six and Lawrence Taylor said, no.

482
00:21:59,576 --> 00:22:01,936
Speaker 3: That was kind of what I expected. Laurence said, like, no,

483
00:22:01,975 --> 00:22:03,295
Speaker 3: you gotta go prove it.

484
00:22:02,696 --> 00:22:05,255
Speaker 5: It was like B zero, like be a number of

485
00:22:05,256 --> 00:22:06,656
Speaker 5: the you haven't been able to be or nobody's been

486
00:22:06,656 --> 00:22:10,215
Speaker 5: able to be make that famous. And I'm cool with

487
00:22:10,215 --> 00:22:12,536
Speaker 5: that because the numbers are tired for a reason. And

488
00:22:13,016 --> 00:22:14,455
Speaker 5: I don't think I would have given it to a

489
00:22:14,536 --> 00:22:17,096
Speaker 5: rookie either, if ever, if my numbers are tired. But

490
00:22:17,176 --> 00:22:21,656
Speaker 5: I think there's something too possibly if he's awesome that

491
00:22:21,816 --> 00:22:24,575
Speaker 5: out of respect, Lawrence Taylor goes, you can all in

492
00:22:24,656 --> 00:22:26,416
Speaker 5: like three years, you can also wear the number.

493
00:22:26,656 --> 00:22:29,696
Speaker 3: But I'm also one of those guys that I understand

494
00:22:30,936 --> 00:22:34,775
Speaker 3: the sweat and the sacrifice that these guys made to

495
00:22:34,896 --> 00:22:37,015
Speaker 3: make that number what it is. And there's some pride

496
00:22:37,056 --> 00:22:40,176
Speaker 3: that goes along with seeing your name and your number

497
00:22:40,176 --> 00:22:43,656
Speaker 3: being retired. There's not a lot of them for every organization. So,

498
00:22:43,735 --> 00:22:47,616
Speaker 3: and Lawrence Taylor is one of the most legendary players

499
00:22:47,656 --> 00:22:50,216
Speaker 3: in the NFL. There's nobody quite like him coming off

500
00:22:50,215 --> 00:22:53,336
Speaker 3: the edge, especially in his air. So I can understand

501
00:22:53,336 --> 00:22:58,096
Speaker 3: why you're saying, Hey, you haven't proven anything yet, you

502
00:22:58,136 --> 00:22:59,176
Speaker 3: haven't taken one snap.

503
00:22:59,336 --> 00:23:00,495
Speaker 5: What if you wanted to pay him though, What if

504
00:23:00,536 --> 00:23:01,616
Speaker 5: he's like, I'll give you a million bucks.

505
00:23:01,656 --> 00:23:03,336
Speaker 3: I guarantee Lawrence would think about that.

506
00:23:03,416 --> 00:23:03,856
Speaker 2: I do too.

507
00:23:03,896 --> 00:23:05,856
Speaker 5: I think there'd be a lot of thought about it

508
00:23:05,856 --> 00:23:09,016
Speaker 5: that I think as a general rule, if it's retired,

509
00:23:09,376 --> 00:23:12,936
Speaker 5: it just should never be taken off, right, And I

510
00:23:12,936 --> 00:23:14,496
Speaker 5: think it's cool at warm moon. I think it's cool

511
00:23:14,495 --> 00:23:16,616
Speaker 5: that something basketball players will allow their numbers to be worn,

512
00:23:16,816 --> 00:23:19,896
Speaker 5: or if somebody's son is playing and it was his number.

513
00:23:20,136 --> 00:23:23,015
Speaker 5: But I think we should just have retired numbers be

514
00:23:23,136 --> 00:23:26,775
Speaker 5: retired because then they're just semi retired at all points.

515
00:23:26,656 --> 00:23:28,576
Speaker 3: Right, Because you're gonna get to a point here as

516
00:23:28,616 --> 00:23:32,536
Speaker 3: we continue to play football over the next however, many

517
00:23:32,576 --> 00:23:35,256
Speaker 3: decades that there's going to be great players that come

518
00:23:35,256 --> 00:23:37,816
Speaker 3: through your organization and they're just going to start swallowing

519
00:23:37,896 --> 00:23:41,416
Speaker 3: up jersey after jersey where you're like, we really don't

520
00:23:41,455 --> 00:23:43,976
Speaker 3: have many numbers left, guys, you're just gonna have to.

521
00:23:43,936 --> 00:23:46,056
Speaker 5: Wear for we have license plates, you're gonna have to

522
00:23:46,096 --> 00:23:47,495
Speaker 5: have like letters on the back of the.

523
00:23:47,495 --> 00:23:49,575
Speaker 3: Number one hundred and one with the tackle.

524
00:23:49,696 --> 00:23:51,856
Speaker 5: What'd you feel about the eighteen game schedule? We're talking

525
00:23:51,856 --> 00:23:53,976
Speaker 5: about it a lot, now, what do you think about it?

526
00:23:55,656 --> 00:24:00,896
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's always one of those things that

527
00:24:00,936 --> 00:24:02,696
Speaker 3: when you look at it as a player, when they

528
00:24:02,696 --> 00:24:06,016
Speaker 3: were going from sixteen to seventeen, you were worry about

529
00:24:06,495 --> 00:24:11,456
Speaker 3: the length of a season and also how long can

530
00:24:11,536 --> 00:24:14,016
Speaker 3: you extend your career If now you're going from sixteen

531
00:24:14,056 --> 00:24:16,096
Speaker 3: games and seventeen and then you play three years, that's

532
00:24:16,136 --> 00:24:18,295
Speaker 3: three extra games a year. Then all of a sudden,

533
00:24:18,296 --> 00:24:21,056
Speaker 3: you go to eighteen and now it's two extra games

534
00:24:21,056 --> 00:24:23,535
Speaker 3: a year, and those numbers and those games add up

535
00:24:23,616 --> 00:24:25,536
Speaker 3: on the body for a lot of these players, particularly

536
00:24:25,616 --> 00:24:29,056
Speaker 3: running backs in tier offensive linemen. And I know at

537
00:24:29,056 --> 00:24:31,936
Speaker 3: the same time, the reason they do This is because

538
00:24:32,176 --> 00:24:35,416
Speaker 3: the television contracts are going to get bigger, the money's

539
00:24:35,495 --> 00:24:39,656
Speaker 3: going to be better, the guaranteed contracts. So there's there's

540
00:24:39,735 --> 00:24:42,055
Speaker 3: a catch twenty two, right, because you worry about the

541
00:24:42,096 --> 00:24:44,416
Speaker 3: safety of a player. But at the end of the day,

542
00:24:44,455 --> 00:24:46,735
Speaker 3: the NFL is trying to put product out there that

543
00:24:46,776 --> 00:24:49,776
Speaker 3: they can sell, and it's all about the bottom line

544
00:24:49,816 --> 00:24:51,576
Speaker 3: and the dollar and how much money you can make,

545
00:24:51,656 --> 00:24:53,975
Speaker 3: and so you can capitalize on that as a player.

546
00:24:54,336 --> 00:24:57,055
Speaker 3: But at the same time, there's got to be a

547
00:24:57,096 --> 00:25:00,055
Speaker 3: point where they quit trying to add games because already

548
00:25:00,096 --> 00:25:02,696
Speaker 3: you see all these games in Europe in London, they're

549
00:25:02,735 --> 00:25:05,736
Speaker 3: going to Germany, they're going all over which that's hard enough,

550
00:25:05,735 --> 00:25:07,295
Speaker 3: I think on a lot of these players of the

551
00:25:07,376 --> 00:25:10,616
Speaker 3: travel that it takes place throughout the entire season, but

552
00:25:10,656 --> 00:25:12,416
Speaker 3: add on multiple games at the end of the year,

553
00:25:12,455 --> 00:25:14,775
Speaker 3: and then most of these teams are a lot of

554
00:25:14,776 --> 00:25:17,896
Speaker 3: these teams go to playoffs. You can have another four games,

555
00:25:17,975 --> 00:25:19,696
Speaker 3: three games at the end of the year.

556
00:25:19,816 --> 00:25:21,896
Speaker 5: Again, we look at the Chiefs that those guys have

557
00:25:21,936 --> 00:25:25,255
Speaker 5: played like four extra seasons right in just playoff games.

558
00:25:25,856 --> 00:25:28,656
Speaker 5: Their bodies have been knocked around. Basically, it's like Lebron

559
00:25:28,735 --> 00:25:31,376
Speaker 5: playing playoff ball. He's played more games in the playoffs

560
00:25:31,376 --> 00:25:32,576
Speaker 5: than some of these guys that played in the league

561
00:25:32,576 --> 00:25:35,216
Speaker 5: for five years that the games they played in regular season, right,

562
00:25:35,616 --> 00:25:35,976
Speaker 5: and the.

563
00:25:35,896 --> 00:25:38,096
Speaker 3: Product on the field, because what you're going to see

564
00:25:38,176 --> 00:25:41,975
Speaker 3: is there's gonna be more injuries and you're gonna have

565
00:25:42,096 --> 00:25:45,456
Speaker 3: to probably extend the number of players that you can

566
00:25:45,495 --> 00:25:47,815
Speaker 3: have on a roster, and they already did that with

567
00:25:47,896 --> 00:25:50,656
Speaker 3: the practice squad. But that's just because you're going to

568
00:25:50,735 --> 00:25:54,416
Speaker 3: see injuries. That's just what the price you have to

569
00:25:54,416 --> 00:25:56,176
Speaker 3: play when you play in the NFL is ninety nine

570
00:25:56,616 --> 00:25:58,856
Speaker 3: or one hundred percent injury rate for every player, is

571
00:25:58,856 --> 00:26:02,176
Speaker 3: what they tell us. And so is the product on

572
00:26:02,176 --> 00:26:03,936
Speaker 3: the field going to start to suffer with these extra

573
00:26:03,975 --> 00:26:06,215
Speaker 3: games because so many guys are getting injured and now

574
00:26:06,336 --> 00:26:08,696
Speaker 3: you're seeing a lot more backups than everybody else playing.

575
00:26:08,975 --> 00:26:10,936
Speaker 5: What if, because again, this is going to be a

576
00:26:11,016 --> 00:26:15,336
Speaker 5: union situation to add games to protect players, but also

577
00:26:15,536 --> 00:26:18,056
Speaker 5: to allow the players to make more money as well.

578
00:26:18,576 --> 00:26:21,495
Speaker 5: I think how I would position it is, if we're

579
00:26:21,536 --> 00:26:23,096
Speaker 5: gonna have an eighteen game schedule, first of all, there

580
00:26:23,136 --> 00:26:25,976
Speaker 5: will be two by weeks. That's that's that's not even

581
00:26:26,016 --> 00:26:28,335
Speaker 5: that's absolute question, right, So we're going to do that.

582
00:26:29,296 --> 00:26:32,696
Speaker 5: We're probably gonna have one less preseason game, which they've

583
00:26:32,696 --> 00:26:34,856
Speaker 5: already talked about as well. But I think I would

584
00:26:34,856 --> 00:26:39,616
Speaker 5: put in some sort of the starting quarterback can only

585
00:26:39,656 --> 00:26:42,535
Speaker 5: start sixteen games a season, meaning there's got to be

586
00:26:42,576 --> 00:26:46,055
Speaker 5: one game during the season that you start your backup

587
00:26:46,096 --> 00:26:50,095
Speaker 5: quarterback that I would even say all positions you can

588
00:26:50,176 --> 00:26:52,816
Speaker 5: only max out sixteen starts a season. We're going to

589
00:26:52,896 --> 00:26:58,896
Speaker 5: play an extra game, but that the last or an

590
00:26:58,896 --> 00:27:01,055
Speaker 5: extra two, so it would be seventeen, now eighteen games.

591
00:27:02,016 --> 00:27:05,976
Speaker 5: Everybody can only start sixteen or seventeen games, so there's

592
00:27:06,016 --> 00:27:08,256
Speaker 5: another game. But you've got to strategically decide when you're

593
00:27:08,256 --> 00:27:10,736
Speaker 5: gonna set your quarterback.

594
00:27:11,056 --> 00:27:13,775
Speaker 3: But what about the Lions that had like fourteen guys

595
00:27:13,816 --> 00:27:17,936
Speaker 3: on ir where they just well, you're off like flies

596
00:27:17,975 --> 00:27:21,376
Speaker 3: and you're like, sorry, golf, you're going to have to

597
00:27:21,416 --> 00:27:22,176
Speaker 3: sit down this game.

598
00:27:22,495 --> 00:27:25,176
Speaker 5: I think it makes the backup quarterback way more valuable.

599
00:27:25,176 --> 00:27:27,215
Speaker 5: I think it makes a third string quarterback way more

600
00:27:27,296 --> 00:27:30,296
Speaker 5: valuable because that's actually the backup quarterback.

601
00:27:30,136 --> 00:27:32,376
Speaker 3: In at least a game or two.

602
00:27:32,975 --> 00:27:37,816
Speaker 5: So it then raises since they're more valuable, raises the

603
00:27:37,816 --> 00:27:39,736
Speaker 5: amount of money that they can make and they can

604
00:27:39,735 --> 00:27:41,736
Speaker 5: demand because they're obviously lifting the cap.

605
00:27:42,136 --> 00:27:43,535
Speaker 3: The salary caps going up already.

606
00:27:44,455 --> 00:27:46,735
Speaker 5: So I think if you were to add the game,

607
00:27:47,016 --> 00:27:51,376
Speaker 5: because of all the physical the attrition that just happens,

608
00:27:51,696 --> 00:27:53,816
Speaker 5: and the body parts you basically lose because you're just

609
00:27:53,816 --> 00:27:55,616
Speaker 5: getting hit all the time, I think you make that

610
00:27:55,696 --> 00:27:57,416
Speaker 5: up by going, yeah, we'll get an extra game. But

611
00:27:57,455 --> 00:28:01,536
Speaker 5: there's another element of strategy. Set eighteen games and your

612
00:28:01,576 --> 00:28:04,856
Speaker 5: quarterback and every player can only start seventeen games, and

613
00:28:04,896 --> 00:28:07,056
Speaker 5: you get to pay which game the one doesn't play,

614
00:28:07,056 --> 00:28:08,816
Speaker 5: so it's like a third bye week off week for

615
00:28:08,856 --> 00:28:09,295
Speaker 5: a player.

616
00:28:09,816 --> 00:28:12,736
Speaker 3: I guarantee the owners won't sign off on it because

617
00:28:13,176 --> 00:28:15,696
Speaker 3: you know, the fan bases, they won't want to see that.

618
00:28:15,776 --> 00:28:18,896
Speaker 3: They'll be like, wait, you're telling me Jared Goff's not

619
00:28:18,936 --> 00:28:22,296
Speaker 3: going to start or whoever might be Jaden Daniels or

620
00:28:22,336 --> 00:28:25,456
Speaker 3: somebody like that. One game a year, one game.

621
00:28:26,416 --> 00:28:28,735
Speaker 5: Do you want the extra game because we're not going

622
00:28:28,776 --> 00:28:29,735
Speaker 5: to get it if we don't do it.

623
00:28:29,776 --> 00:28:31,335
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you there's no way the owners will

624
00:28:31,376 --> 00:28:33,056
Speaker 3: go for it. I think it's a pretty stpid. I

625
00:28:33,056 --> 00:28:34,656
Speaker 3: did too, but I like it to Yeah, I think

626
00:28:34,936 --> 00:28:36,096
Speaker 3: I think it adds a lot.

627
00:28:36,816 --> 00:28:39,536
Speaker 5: And again it's a strategy because then all of a sudden,

628
00:28:39,616 --> 00:28:41,856
Speaker 5: you know, we're playing the Panthers this week. We're not

629
00:28:41,896 --> 00:28:45,256
Speaker 5: going to start Jaden Daniels. Turns out Panthers played their

630
00:28:45,256 --> 00:28:47,336
Speaker 5: freaking face off and win the game, and you're like, god, dang,

631
00:28:47,376 --> 00:28:49,896
Speaker 5: who got to strategize that?

632
00:28:49,976 --> 00:28:50,896
Speaker 3: Strategize? Bro?

633
00:28:51,976 --> 00:28:54,696
Speaker 5: Did you hate playing in I guess that's not DC,

634
00:28:54,816 --> 00:28:57,016
Speaker 5: But did you hate playing did you play the Redskins?

635
00:28:57,336 --> 00:29:00,776
Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, did you hate that stadium? You know, once

636
00:29:00,816 --> 00:29:04,136
Speaker 3: you were on the actual field, it wasn't that bad. Now,

637
00:29:04,776 --> 00:29:07,696
Speaker 3: the Redskins pretty bad when we played them, so the

638
00:29:07,776 --> 00:29:10,896
Speaker 3: fan base. It wasn't an electric atmosphere by any means.

639
00:29:10,896 --> 00:29:12,976
Speaker 3: But when that was when I was with the Chiefs.

640
00:29:13,016 --> 00:29:15,056
Speaker 3: But then we came back and played them, I believe

641
00:29:15,056 --> 00:29:19,616
Speaker 3: on a Monday night with Dallas, and that place was

642
00:29:19,696 --> 00:29:23,416
Speaker 3: rocking and plus the rivalry. But the facilities there were

643
00:29:24,696 --> 00:29:28,176
Speaker 3: dog yeah yeah, and the locker rooms were terrible and

644
00:29:28,256 --> 00:29:32,335
Speaker 3: it was archaic not as bad though, at as Oakland

645
00:29:32,376 --> 00:29:35,576
Speaker 3: Raiders Stadium. When they used to play at the baseball

646
00:29:35,576 --> 00:29:37,976
Speaker 3: field where half the field for part of the year

647
00:29:38,176 --> 00:29:41,776
Speaker 3: was the baseball They didn't play like candlestick did they

648
00:29:42,776 --> 00:29:46,016
Speaker 3: San Francisco used to play in candles what I think?

649
00:29:46,256 --> 00:29:51,176
Speaker 3: And then the Oakland Raiders played at exactly but that

650
00:29:51,336 --> 00:29:53,576
Speaker 3: was a true baseball locker room. You go in, they

651
00:29:53,616 --> 00:29:57,376
Speaker 3: literally have two stalls like two shower heads. They had

652
00:29:57,376 --> 00:30:01,096
Speaker 3: the exposed exposed piping up with that would drip out.

653
00:30:01,296 --> 00:30:03,696
Speaker 3: Like just not enough lockers for everybody, you'd have the

654
00:30:03,736 --> 00:30:06,456
Speaker 3: share locker room. The train room where everybody's got to

655
00:30:06,456 --> 00:30:09,896
Speaker 3: go in and get taped was so small it was brutal.

656
00:30:10,136 --> 00:30:12,216
Speaker 3: And I was just like, this is an NFL.

657
00:30:12,736 --> 00:30:15,256
Speaker 5: That would be the worst to go play pro football

658
00:30:15,296 --> 00:30:17,056
Speaker 5: in the NFL. And that's where you have to put.

659
00:30:17,056 --> 00:30:20,056
Speaker 5: That's your home base, that's your home garbage can. That's

660
00:30:20,056 --> 00:30:22,256
Speaker 5: what it feels like with what the Commanders had to

661
00:30:22,256 --> 00:30:24,056
Speaker 5: do with. Now they're moving back to DC. They're going

662
00:30:24,136 --> 00:30:26,296
Speaker 5: to spend four billion bucks and build a new stadium

663
00:30:26,296 --> 00:30:30,216
Speaker 5: twenty thirty. It's going to be rolling, and I my

664
00:30:30,256 --> 00:30:33,056
Speaker 5: assumption is it's a lot easier to pass that and

665
00:30:33,096 --> 00:30:35,136
Speaker 5: to get that money whenever you're winning.

666
00:30:35,336 --> 00:30:37,736
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good idea to go after that. After

667
00:30:37,856 --> 00:30:41,136
Speaker 3: last year and with the young quarterback they have and

668
00:30:41,176 --> 00:30:44,976
Speaker 3: now just just the potential of them continue to build

669
00:30:44,976 --> 00:30:47,016
Speaker 3: on that. I think it's a lot easier to get

670
00:30:47,016 --> 00:30:48,536
Speaker 3: that passed and say, yeah, we're gonna give you some

671
00:30:48,576 --> 00:30:49,136
Speaker 3: funding for this.

672
00:30:49,336 --> 00:30:51,136
Speaker 5: And they're going to put a roof on it, and

673
00:30:51,176 --> 00:30:53,536
Speaker 5: they're going to use it for things other than just football. Right,

674
00:30:53,576 --> 00:30:55,096
Speaker 5: So if you can prove you're going to make money

675
00:30:55,096 --> 00:30:57,216
Speaker 5: in other ways, it's a lot easier to get money

676
00:30:57,416 --> 00:31:00,776
Speaker 5: in because you can prove you're going to make money out.

677
00:31:00,776 --> 00:31:03,096
Speaker 3: Right, you're gonna bring commerce to the city. So Oaklum

678
00:31:03,136 --> 00:31:05,776
Speaker 3: is the worst. Huh, Yeah, that was by far the worst.

679
00:31:05,816 --> 00:31:08,536
Speaker 3: Whenever they do actually Buffalo is Buffalo has had a

680
00:31:08,616 --> 00:31:10,536
Speaker 3: really bad visiting locker room as.

681
00:31:10,456 --> 00:31:12,696
Speaker 5: Well, Like guts of it, not the way because Buffalo,

682
00:31:12,896 --> 00:31:15,176
Speaker 5: they're one of the only stadiums that I say, don't

683
00:31:15,176 --> 00:31:17,096
Speaker 5: put a roof on it because that's your advantage of

684
00:31:17,096 --> 00:31:17,376
Speaker 5: the weather.

685
00:31:17,416 --> 00:31:18,056
Speaker 3: Although it sucks.

686
00:31:18,056 --> 00:31:19,855
Speaker 5: I hate cold, but that's part of their culture.

687
00:31:20,376 --> 00:31:22,776
Speaker 3: It is part of their culture, and they're a tough team, gritty,

688
00:31:22,816 --> 00:31:24,896
Speaker 3: and it's always an advantage of the Buffalo when you

689
00:31:24,976 --> 00:31:28,336
Speaker 3: go up there and it is cold, it's damped, the

690
00:31:28,376 --> 00:31:31,176
Speaker 3: winds blowing, it's snowing, and then it's old and crappy.

691
00:31:31,376 --> 00:31:35,376
Speaker 3: Oh ye oh no, Now it was always a fun

692
00:31:35,416 --> 00:31:37,896
Speaker 3: stadium to play it, just because the fans were so

693
00:31:38,136 --> 00:31:40,576
Speaker 3: outrageous and the stuff that would come out of their mouths.

694
00:31:40,656 --> 00:31:43,616
Speaker 3: You're just like, this is absurd. They'd throw beer bottles

695
00:31:43,656 --> 00:31:46,095
Speaker 3: at your car at the bus as you're coming in,

696
00:31:46,656 --> 00:31:50,456
Speaker 3: just crush you. And they're pretty high quality talkers too, right,

697
00:31:50,456 --> 00:31:52,656
Speaker 3: they'd say some stuff on the sideline that you're like, eh,

698
00:31:52,656 --> 00:31:54,416
Speaker 3: that was pretty good. That was actually pretty good.

699
00:31:54,856 --> 00:31:59,296
Speaker 5: Was there ever a visiting locker room that sucked? But actually,

700
00:31:59,376 --> 00:32:02,136
Speaker 5: in reality, the home locker room was awesome.

701
00:32:02,896 --> 00:32:05,256
Speaker 3: I bet you most of the places are like that

702
00:32:05,976 --> 00:32:09,056
Speaker 3: because if you can make the visiting locker room uncomfortable,

703
00:32:09,096 --> 00:32:12,256
Speaker 3: and you definitely you have those guys on the team

704
00:32:12,296 --> 00:32:15,136
Speaker 3: that are gonna bitch and complain about everything, let alone

705
00:32:15,176 --> 00:32:18,616
Speaker 3: the locker room. Right, so you're gonna have some disgruntled

706
00:32:18,616 --> 00:32:20,936
Speaker 3: employees when you're coming in the visiting locker room. But

707
00:32:20,976 --> 00:32:23,136
Speaker 3: then you walk across and it's like the taj Mahal

708
00:32:23,176 --> 00:32:25,736
Speaker 3: and you're sitting there going, oh really, So you guys

709
00:32:25,736 --> 00:32:28,016
Speaker 3: could have absolutely just even put a little lipstick on

710
00:32:28,056 --> 00:32:30,056
Speaker 3: the pig, and he decided not to just to make

711
00:32:30,136 --> 00:32:31,776
Speaker 3: us uncomfortable before we go out and play it.

712
00:32:31,816 --> 00:32:34,376
Speaker 5: A little space heater, yeah, anything, a little space heater.

713
00:32:34,456 --> 00:32:35,576
Speaker 3: Warm up the sausage.

714
00:32:35,776 --> 00:32:54,176
Speaker 5: Okay, So Wes Walker coming up. We're gonna talk with

715
00:32:54,216 --> 00:32:57,056
Speaker 5: Wes Walker. I mean to me, I just think about

716
00:32:57,136 --> 00:33:01,296
Speaker 5: him scurrying across the middle, catching everything thrown at him

717
00:33:01,656 --> 00:33:02,456
Speaker 5: and just being.

718
00:33:02,296 --> 00:33:02,896
Speaker 3: Like that dude.

719
00:33:02,936 --> 00:33:04,696
Speaker 5: That's why I think about it. A guy who watched

720
00:33:04,736 --> 00:33:05,376
Speaker 5: him on TV.

721
00:33:05,896 --> 00:33:08,736
Speaker 3: He was that dude, and he was one of those

722
00:33:08,736 --> 00:33:12,056
Speaker 3: guys that would always put his bodies and body and

723
00:33:12,096 --> 00:33:13,616
Speaker 3: harm way. I remember I was throwing him like a

724
00:33:13,616 --> 00:33:18,576
Speaker 3: short slant. We're playing the Steelers, and Ryan Clark came

725
00:33:18,656 --> 00:33:22,216
Speaker 3: up and absolutely decapitated him, and I felt so bad.

726
00:33:22,696 --> 00:33:25,096
Speaker 3: I mean literally, I thought he was dead. And I

727
00:33:25,136 --> 00:33:28,016
Speaker 3: walked up. I'm like, bro, I'm sorry. He's like, what

728
00:33:28,056 --> 00:33:31,096
Speaker 3: the hell castle? I was like, I really thought I

729
00:33:31,136 --> 00:33:32,336
Speaker 3: was going to fit it in there. I thought it

730
00:33:32,376 --> 00:33:36,496
Speaker 3: was a good throw. But he is the ultimate competitor man,

731
00:33:36,536 --> 00:33:40,256
Speaker 3: and he is one of those guys that was undrafted

732
00:33:40,256 --> 00:33:44,056
Speaker 3: and just worked his way up by grinding and grinding

733
00:33:44,096 --> 00:33:46,176
Speaker 3: and finally got his opportunity when he came to the

734
00:33:46,176 --> 00:33:48,736
Speaker 3: Patriots and they believed in him and he took full

735
00:33:48,736 --> 00:33:50,616
Speaker 3: advantage of it. So you'd love to see guys like

736
00:33:50,656 --> 00:33:55,136
Speaker 3: that as well that come from little in terms of

737
00:33:55,416 --> 00:33:59,416
Speaker 3: just the politics of the NFL and then are able

738
00:33:59,456 --> 00:34:01,176
Speaker 3: to go out and become a household name.

739
00:34:01,336 --> 00:34:03,136
Speaker 5: Some of the stuff I did not know, and I'm

740
00:34:03,136 --> 00:34:05,296
Speaker 5: always curious about high school stats.

741
00:34:05,856 --> 00:34:06,536
Speaker 3: He did it all.

742
00:34:06,896 --> 00:34:10,456
Speaker 5: So he was All State player of the year, Oklahoma

743
00:34:10,456 --> 00:34:13,016
Speaker 5: State player of the year. He had I listened to this,

744
00:34:13,056 --> 00:34:15,176
Speaker 5: three touchdowns, over two hundred doll purpose yards in a

745
00:34:15,176 --> 00:34:17,696
Speaker 5: forty seven yard field goal, and an interception in the

746
00:34:17,696 --> 00:34:19,136
Speaker 5: state championship game in high school.

747
00:34:19,176 --> 00:34:20,856
Speaker 3: That's one game in the state.

748
00:34:20,656 --> 00:34:24,136
Speaker 5: Championshow he rushed for over three thousand yards and fifty

749
00:34:24,176 --> 00:34:27,056
Speaker 5: three touchdowns. He had twenty two interceptions, three pick sixes,

750
00:34:27,096 --> 00:34:29,296
Speaker 5: five hundred and eighty one tackles, and nine fumble recoveries.

751
00:34:29,416 --> 00:34:32,336
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got asked him about this. That's absolutely ridiculous.

752
00:34:32,376 --> 00:34:34,936
Speaker 3: I remember that he was with Miami Dolphins. Their kicker

753
00:34:34,936 --> 00:34:37,736
Speaker 3: gets hurt during their game. Place kicker. He goes in

754
00:34:37,776 --> 00:34:39,416
Speaker 3: and kicks field goals for him the rest of the game.

755
00:34:39,696 --> 00:34:41,416
Speaker 3: I didn't know that. Yeah, true statement. In a real

756
00:34:41,416 --> 00:34:44,336
Speaker 3: football game. Wes Welker versatile as well.

757
00:34:44,176 --> 00:34:48,256
Speaker 5: Three time NFL receptions leader. If I can say this

758
00:34:48,656 --> 00:34:50,056
Speaker 5: and I did this to you as well, and I

759
00:34:50,496 --> 00:34:52,456
Speaker 5: don't feel guilty about you anymore. I think it's funny,

760
00:34:52,456 --> 00:34:54,096
Speaker 5: But at the time I felt kind of stupid. I

761
00:34:54,136 --> 00:34:55,296
Speaker 5: didn't realize he didn't have a ring.

762
00:34:56,496 --> 00:34:58,896
Speaker 3: I thought you might ask that I didn't realize he

763
00:34:58,896 --> 00:35:01,336
Speaker 3: didn't have a ring. He lost all three I know?

764
00:35:01,456 --> 00:35:06,016
Speaker 3: Is that crazy? I would have lost money everybody that

765
00:35:06,056 --> 00:35:08,776
Speaker 3: thinks of the Patriots because he was so great. He

766
00:35:08,896 --> 00:35:12,096
Speaker 3: was so he was one of the greats. Wow, and

767
00:35:12,176 --> 00:35:15,096
Speaker 3: to have the stats that he compiled while he was there,

768
00:35:15,856 --> 00:35:17,776
Speaker 3: and he was one of the unlucky ones where they

769
00:35:17,776 --> 00:35:19,416
Speaker 3: weren't able to get it done in the Super Bowl.

770
00:35:19,936 --> 00:35:22,496
Speaker 5: Former NFL wide receiver and correct personnel analysts for the

771
00:35:22,616 --> 00:35:25,056
Speaker 5: Washing Commanders here is West Welker.

772
00:35:25,136 --> 00:35:29,696
Speaker 3: Boss. Just say, welcome to the show. One of my

773
00:35:29,776 --> 00:35:34,616
Speaker 3: good friends. All time great slot receivers in the NFL

774
00:35:34,696 --> 00:35:39,216
Speaker 3: played twelve years, five time Pro Bowler, two time All Pro,

775
00:35:39,376 --> 00:35:42,855
Speaker 3: two time second team All Pro. What are you? Tied

776
00:35:42,856 --> 00:35:47,056
Speaker 3: for the record with the longest reception of NFL history

777
00:35:47,056 --> 00:35:51,536
Speaker 3: at ninety nine yards. Incredible player, but also an incredible coach.

778
00:35:51,656 --> 00:35:55,256
Speaker 3: Right now, he's with the Washington Commanders as an analyst.

779
00:35:55,376 --> 00:35:58,416
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show, Wes Welker, got pants, hoot pants,

780
00:35:58,496 --> 00:36:03,136
Speaker 3: clot pants, hot pans. Well done, well done. How you

781
00:36:03,176 --> 00:36:06,056
Speaker 3: doing out there, Bud? You look great, your hair done.

782
00:36:06,136 --> 00:36:07,896
Speaker 3: Thanks for dolling yourself up for the show.

783
00:36:08,176 --> 00:36:09,976
Speaker 2: Hey, just for you, just for me.

784
00:36:10,816 --> 00:36:14,456
Speaker 3: Well right now, obviously the draft just ended, and let's

785
00:36:14,496 --> 00:36:17,336
Speaker 3: go back to when you were going through this period,

786
00:36:17,416 --> 00:36:19,576
Speaker 3: because I think it's one of the great stories in

787
00:36:19,616 --> 00:36:23,216
Speaker 3: the NFL. You went obviously undrafted, but you can speak

788
00:36:23,216 --> 00:36:27,976
Speaker 3: to the perspective of going through just the process itself,

789
00:36:28,376 --> 00:36:32,176
Speaker 3: wanting to be drafted, not actually getting drafted, but getting

790
00:36:32,216 --> 00:36:36,016
Speaker 3: that opportunity, and just the mental anguish that it kind

791
00:36:36,016 --> 00:36:38,256
Speaker 3: of goes forth going through that process, but at the

792
00:36:38,296 --> 00:36:40,456
Speaker 3: same time getting your foot in the door. And what

793
00:36:40,536 --> 00:36:42,216
Speaker 3: was your mentality when you did that, And what would

794
00:36:42,256 --> 00:36:44,456
Speaker 3: you say to some of these guys now that are

795
00:36:44,496 --> 00:36:47,856
Speaker 3: coming out maybe as undrafted, didn't get didn't get to

796
00:36:47,896 --> 00:36:50,496
Speaker 3: where they expected to in the draft, but they've got

797
00:36:50,536 --> 00:36:51,176
Speaker 3: an opportunity.

798
00:36:51,616 --> 00:36:54,016
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think going into it, I thought

799
00:36:54,056 --> 00:36:56,416
Speaker 4: I was probably gonna be a free agent, maybe a

800
00:36:56,416 --> 00:36:59,336
Speaker 4: seventh round pick or something like that. I mean, at

801
00:36:59,336 --> 00:37:01,376
Speaker 4: the end of the day, I just wanted an opportunity,

802
00:37:01,696 --> 00:37:03,616
Speaker 4: you know. I think there was a couple teams out

803
00:37:03,656 --> 00:37:07,296
Speaker 4: there that won me as undrafted free agent, but the

804
00:37:07,336 --> 00:37:10,216
Speaker 4: San Diego Chargers was just kind of a good fit

805
00:37:10,296 --> 00:37:13,616
Speaker 4: for me being out there. James Lofton was my coach

806
00:37:14,176 --> 00:37:17,696
Speaker 4: at the time. Hall of Famer wide receiver Tim Dwight

807
00:37:17,896 --> 00:37:21,416
Speaker 4: was out there, Eric Parker. There were just some good

808
00:37:21,416 --> 00:37:23,936
Speaker 4: guys to learn from. I mean, I couldn't have picked

809
00:37:23,936 --> 00:37:27,176
Speaker 4: a better spot really, just as far as first coming

810
00:37:27,176 --> 00:37:28,696
Speaker 4: out and just guys.

811
00:37:28,416 --> 00:37:30,296
Speaker 2: To learn from. I think as you come into the

812
00:37:30,376 --> 00:37:30,896
Speaker 2: league as a.

813
00:37:30,936 --> 00:37:33,976
Speaker 4: Rookie, you need that older vet in there just to

814
00:37:34,096 --> 00:37:36,336
Speaker 4: kind of show you what it looks like, because I

815
00:37:36,336 --> 00:37:38,296
Speaker 4: think coming now in college, you think you work hard,

816
00:37:38,456 --> 00:37:40,096
Speaker 4: you think you do this, you think you do it,

817
00:37:40,136 --> 00:37:43,616
Speaker 4: and there's just so much there's just another level and

818
00:37:43,656 --> 00:37:46,496
Speaker 4: there's probably more levels after that stuff that you just

819
00:37:46,536 --> 00:37:49,656
Speaker 4: pick up as you're in the league for however many years.

820
00:37:49,696 --> 00:37:52,096
Speaker 4: You just kind of pick up habits as you go,

821
00:37:52,296 --> 00:37:55,416
Speaker 4: and you know, having those guys in there and having

822
00:37:55,496 --> 00:37:59,016
Speaker 4: James Loften there, it was a cool experience for me.

823
00:37:59,096 --> 00:38:01,536
Speaker 4: Marty Schoenheimer was a head coach at the time who

824
00:38:01,656 --> 00:38:05,096
Speaker 4: was awesome, old school type of coach. I was pretty

825
00:38:05,176 --> 00:38:07,776
Speaker 4: much special teams player. You know, this is why they

826
00:38:07,896 --> 00:38:10,576
Speaker 4: liked me. You know, just having that opportunity, you know,

827
00:38:10,656 --> 00:38:12,736
Speaker 4: it was just kind of really the key thing. And

828
00:38:13,136 --> 00:38:15,136
Speaker 4: then just having the people I kind of looked out

829
00:38:15,136 --> 00:38:18,496
Speaker 4: on the people that were there and being able to

830
00:38:18,576 --> 00:38:19,176
Speaker 4: learn from.

831
00:38:19,616 --> 00:38:22,976
Speaker 5: If you're talking with the coaches prior to the draft

832
00:38:23,016 --> 00:38:25,296
Speaker 5: and they're saying, hey, we we'd like to have you

833
00:38:25,536 --> 00:38:28,736
Speaker 5: come in if you don't get drafted, are you also thinking,

834
00:38:28,776 --> 00:38:30,256
Speaker 5: then why don't you draft me?

835
00:38:30,736 --> 00:38:31,136
Speaker 2: Yeah?

836
00:38:31,256 --> 00:38:33,536
Speaker 4: I mean there's so many players. I mean, being on

837
00:38:33,576 --> 00:38:36,896
Speaker 4: the coaching side now, there's so much more to it.

838
00:38:37,256 --> 00:38:39,256
Speaker 4: You know, as you kind of go through the process,

839
00:38:39,376 --> 00:38:42,696
Speaker 4: you know, there's it's not just your position, it's you know,

840
00:38:42,736 --> 00:38:46,336
Speaker 4: it's a d lineman, it's defensive backs's and there's a

841
00:38:46,336 --> 00:38:48,696
Speaker 4: lot of things that kind of happened in the draft.

842
00:38:49,456 --> 00:38:51,896
Speaker 4: There may be a guy who's getting offered like a

843
00:38:52,016 --> 00:38:55,936
Speaker 4: ton of money to be a free agent somewhere else,

844
00:38:56,696 --> 00:39:00,296
Speaker 4: and so you know, if you're sitting there, we'll shoot,

845
00:39:00,456 --> 00:39:02,416
Speaker 4: you know, we really like this guy, but he's getting

846
00:39:02,456 --> 00:39:05,016
Speaker 4: paid all this money. You know, you may go ahead

847
00:39:05,056 --> 00:39:08,136
Speaker 4: and pull trigger as far as drafting him or whatever

848
00:39:08,216 --> 00:39:10,976
Speaker 4: the scenario kind of happens to be. But yeah, I

849
00:39:11,016 --> 00:39:15,256
Speaker 4: mean that's part of the almost recruiting process. It's almost like, man,

850
00:39:15,296 --> 00:39:18,816
Speaker 4: I'm really pulling to uh to get you drafted here,

851
00:39:18,856 --> 00:39:22,936
Speaker 4: but really you have no say, you know, you're just

852
00:39:23,016 --> 00:39:25,296
Speaker 4: kind of like sitting there just you know, hoping the

853
00:39:25,376 --> 00:39:27,416
Speaker 4: kid does go undrafted so you can get him in

854
00:39:27,456 --> 00:39:27,815
Speaker 4: your room.

855
00:39:28,096 --> 00:39:30,256
Speaker 3: Then you go to from San Diego, you go to Miami,

856
00:39:30,296 --> 00:39:31,776
Speaker 3: and you start to make your footprint a little bit.

857
00:39:31,856 --> 00:39:31,976
Speaker 5: Right.

858
00:39:32,016 --> 00:39:34,096
Speaker 3: It was special teams at first, but then they started

859
00:39:34,096 --> 00:39:36,416
Speaker 3: to utilize you in the slot and they started to

860
00:39:36,456 --> 00:39:39,936
Speaker 3: realize we've got something going. And I remember there was

861
00:39:39,936 --> 00:39:42,296
Speaker 3: the off season after you're with Miami that we're sitting

862
00:39:42,296 --> 00:39:44,376
Speaker 3: in a room with coach Belichick and coach Brady. He

863
00:39:44,416 --> 00:39:46,616
Speaker 3: brought in tape on you and he starts watching the

864
00:39:46,696 --> 00:39:48,616
Speaker 3: tape with really Tom, I was just a fly on

865
00:39:48,616 --> 00:39:50,656
Speaker 3: the wall sitting there, going thanks for letting me join

866
00:39:50,696 --> 00:39:54,056
Speaker 3: the meeting. But they're asking about how Tom felt that

867
00:39:54,136 --> 00:39:57,256
Speaker 3: you fit into the offense in New England, and Tom's like, dude,

868
00:39:57,256 --> 00:40:00,256
Speaker 3: we've got to get this guy. So from from Miami

869
00:40:00,456 --> 00:40:03,256
Speaker 3: we make the trade you come in, what was your

870
00:40:03,296 --> 00:40:07,656
Speaker 3: expectation coming to the Patriots? Is it just excitement? Was

871
00:40:07,696 --> 00:40:10,696
Speaker 3: it just the feeling that you get to play with

872
00:40:10,736 --> 00:40:13,096
Speaker 3: Tom because that's really where your career took off.

873
00:40:13,576 --> 00:40:14,416
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

874
00:40:14,616 --> 00:40:18,096
Speaker 4: I mean I think definitely being with Tom. I think

875
00:40:18,216 --> 00:40:22,296
Speaker 4: seeing what they did with Troy Brown as well, who's

876
00:40:22,416 --> 00:40:25,136
Speaker 4: like the ultimate Patriot and guy that kind of really

877
00:40:25,216 --> 00:40:28,096
Speaker 4: set the tone for the Slaw position, especially there in

878
00:40:28,096 --> 00:40:30,976
Speaker 4: New England and everything. So seeing had the way they

879
00:40:31,056 --> 00:40:33,176
Speaker 4: used him. They were like one of the first teams

880
00:40:33,176 --> 00:40:35,656
Speaker 4: that would use eleven personnel and first and second down

881
00:40:36,216 --> 00:40:39,576
Speaker 4: and so you know in Miami and pretty much every

882
00:40:39,616 --> 00:40:43,336
Speaker 4: other offense, you know, salt receivers weren't necessarily a thing

883
00:40:43,456 --> 00:40:46,696
Speaker 4: unless you were unless it was third down so or

884
00:40:46,736 --> 00:40:49,536
Speaker 4: two minutes or you know, whatever the case may be.

885
00:40:50,096 --> 00:40:52,696
Speaker 4: But you know, being able to be in that opportunity

886
00:40:52,736 --> 00:40:56,296
Speaker 4: where you know, you're kind of like a starting receiver,

887
00:40:56,456 --> 00:40:59,616
Speaker 4: but you're kind of like the third receiver really, but

888
00:40:59,856 --> 00:41:03,136
Speaker 4: able to kind of take advantage of you know, base

889
00:41:03,216 --> 00:41:06,456
Speaker 4: personnel being out there, being aligned pretty much going to

890
00:41:06,496 --> 00:41:08,576
Speaker 4: be massed up on me, or you know, they're going

891
00:41:08,616 --> 00:41:12,096
Speaker 4: to be in zone or whatever it is. So Early on,

892
00:41:12,576 --> 00:41:15,136
Speaker 4: it was a lot easier, you know, especially with the

893
00:41:15,176 --> 00:41:17,216
Speaker 4: fact that a lot of times they're playing with the

894
00:41:17,256 --> 00:41:20,776
Speaker 4: linebacker out there. But as I have more success, they

895
00:41:20,776 --> 00:41:25,176
Speaker 4: started matching up personnels and then eventually they started drafting

896
00:41:25,896 --> 00:41:29,216
Speaker 4: nickel corners in the first round and the game has

897
00:41:29,296 --> 00:41:32,216
Speaker 4: changed quite a bit. You know, through that transition period.

898
00:41:32,256 --> 00:41:34,456
Speaker 5: How quickly did you realize you needed to learn every

899
00:41:35,176 --> 00:41:37,456
Speaker 5: every play in the playbook so you could be on

900
00:41:37,496 --> 00:41:40,016
Speaker 5: the same page with Tom. Because they were moving you

901
00:41:40,096 --> 00:41:44,456
Speaker 5: everywhere all the time. You had to be super studious, right, yeah.

902
00:41:44,496 --> 00:41:45,016
Speaker 2: I think so.

903
00:41:45,296 --> 00:41:48,776
Speaker 4: I think it was more just the reps, so every

904
00:41:48,816 --> 00:41:51,696
Speaker 4: single route, and I think it takes time. It's not

905
00:41:51,736 --> 00:41:55,216
Speaker 4: something that happens overnight. It takes years of work together,

906
00:41:55,736 --> 00:41:58,016
Speaker 4: you know. But I remember we'd go through a ten

907
00:41:58,056 --> 00:42:02,536
Speaker 4: to twelve play period. I'd run my routes or whatever,

908
00:42:02,656 --> 00:42:05,815
Speaker 4: and whatever the leverage was, whatever the coverage was, Tom

909
00:42:05,816 --> 00:42:07,736
Speaker 4: and I would come back and talk about it. Hey,

910
00:42:07,936 --> 00:42:09,816
Speaker 4: next time I get that look, I may do this,

911
00:42:09,976 --> 00:42:12,216
Speaker 4: and he's like, hey, you know, next time, maybe you

912
00:42:12,336 --> 00:42:16,376
Speaker 4: do this. So there was just constant communication on every

913
00:42:16,456 --> 00:42:19,936
Speaker 4: single route that kind of came up against every different look,

914
00:42:20,216 --> 00:42:22,496
Speaker 4: to the point where there was just a plan in

915
00:42:22,576 --> 00:42:25,296
Speaker 4: place over time where he knew I was going to do,

916
00:42:25,496 --> 00:42:28,376
Speaker 4: and I knew what he wanted me to do. So

917
00:42:28,776 --> 00:42:31,296
Speaker 4: I think the culmination of us just kind of be

918
00:42:31,376 --> 00:42:33,416
Speaker 4: on the same page and really kind of talking through

919
00:42:33,496 --> 00:42:36,816
Speaker 4: things over and over and over again. Even when we

920
00:42:36,896 --> 00:42:40,296
Speaker 4: ran routes on air, it wasn't just you know, run

921
00:42:40,296 --> 00:42:42,816
Speaker 4: to ten yards and break out. It was like, Okay,

922
00:42:42,816 --> 00:42:46,176
Speaker 4: what's the leverage, what's the coverage? You know, So that

923
00:42:46,256 --> 00:42:48,336
Speaker 4: way we have an idea of, you know, even though

924
00:42:48,336 --> 00:42:50,616
Speaker 4: we're running on air, of what I'm going to do

925
00:42:50,656 --> 00:42:52,176
Speaker 4: in those certain scenarios.

926
00:42:52,496 --> 00:42:54,576
Speaker 3: In a day's game, you see so much of the

927
00:42:54,616 --> 00:42:57,096
Speaker 3: eleven personnel, right, And I think that you're one of

928
00:42:57,136 --> 00:43:00,296
Speaker 3: those guys that really brought to light the value of

929
00:43:00,336 --> 00:43:03,256
Speaker 3: the slot position. Do you take a lot of credit

930
00:43:03,256 --> 00:43:06,136
Speaker 3: and pride in the fact that you're access is kind

931
00:43:06,176 --> 00:43:08,616
Speaker 3: of molded the way for some of these other guys

932
00:43:08,616 --> 00:43:11,136
Speaker 3: to come in, and how valuable that position is for

933
00:43:11,176 --> 00:43:12,216
Speaker 3: any offensive unit.

934
00:43:12,576 --> 00:43:15,656
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't necessarily take a ton of I mean, yeah,

935
00:43:15,816 --> 00:43:18,376
Speaker 4: obviously I'm happy to be at the forefront of a

936
00:43:18,416 --> 00:43:20,576
Speaker 4: lot of that stuff. But I think there were plenty

937
00:43:20,616 --> 00:43:23,376
Speaker 4: of guys I think Troy Brown, I thought he did

938
00:43:23,656 --> 00:43:27,736
Speaker 4: a fantastic job. Wayne Crebett, I mean there, you know,

939
00:43:27,816 --> 00:43:31,256
Speaker 4: Tim Dwight, there was you know, there was plenty Andre Reid.

940
00:43:32,056 --> 00:43:34,936
Speaker 4: You know, there was plenty of guys that were doing

941
00:43:34,976 --> 00:43:37,776
Speaker 4: the same type of stuff. I think those guys could

942
00:43:37,856 --> 00:43:41,736
Speaker 4: also play outside a lot of times. You know, I

943
00:43:41,896 --> 00:43:44,776
Speaker 4: was kind of, you know, a slot specialist. I had

944
00:43:44,976 --> 00:43:47,976
Speaker 4: pretty much a limited route tree on the outside, so

945
00:43:48,096 --> 00:43:51,136
Speaker 4: I had to really kind of perfect my craft as

946
00:43:51,216 --> 00:43:54,176
Speaker 4: far as being the slot. And and understand, it's just

947
00:43:54,216 --> 00:43:56,776
Speaker 4: a different game in the slot, and there's a lot

948
00:43:56,816 --> 00:43:59,456
Speaker 4: more variables. But once you figure out the variables of

949
00:43:59,576 --> 00:44:02,136
Speaker 4: all the things that can happen, you can kind of

950
00:44:02,136 --> 00:44:04,776
Speaker 4: manipulate the defense how you want to and move people

951
00:44:04,856 --> 00:44:08,056
Speaker 4: and and try and create space in there. But but now,

952
00:44:08,176 --> 00:44:10,696
Speaker 4: I mean, I think there's plenty of guys you know.

953
00:44:10,656 --> 00:44:13,416
Speaker 2: Before me that were that were doing it just as well.

954
00:44:28,336 --> 00:44:28,536
Speaker 3: Well.

955
00:44:28,536 --> 00:44:30,016
Speaker 5: So I was looking at some of your high school

956
00:44:30,016 --> 00:44:33,176
Speaker 5: stats and instead of getting in numbers, mostly it's I

957
00:44:33,176 --> 00:44:36,736
Speaker 5: would see rushing, I would see receiving, I would see

958
00:44:36,776 --> 00:44:41,296
Speaker 5: field goals. I would see interceptions, tackles, fumble recoveries. How

959
00:44:41,296 --> 00:44:43,136
Speaker 5: many positions did you play and.

960
00:44:43,336 --> 00:44:47,176
Speaker 4: I really didn't come off the field in high school.

961
00:44:47,416 --> 00:44:49,896
Speaker 4: I mean there's so many games back in high school

962
00:44:49,936 --> 00:44:53,336
Speaker 4: where basically I was puking by the second quarter. You know,

963
00:44:53,416 --> 00:44:56,616
Speaker 4: it was just a puke and rally type mentality. And

964
00:44:57,016 --> 00:45:00,855
Speaker 4: I just love playing ball. I really enjoyed defense quite

965
00:45:00,856 --> 00:45:04,296
Speaker 4: a bit. We played basically play quarters every single play.

966
00:45:04,776 --> 00:45:06,496
Speaker 4: I might as well been lined up next to the

967
00:45:06,536 --> 00:45:09,176
Speaker 4: linebacker Zoe. You know, I was up there pretty close

968
00:45:09,216 --> 00:45:11,816
Speaker 4: to the lion scrimmage and trying to make plays. If

969
00:45:11,856 --> 00:45:14,736
Speaker 4: you ever play action me like, I could usually recover.

970
00:45:14,896 --> 00:45:16,816
Speaker 4: But if you did a nice job of it and

971
00:45:16,856 --> 00:45:19,096
Speaker 4: you're running the ball, well, you know, you could usually

972
00:45:19,136 --> 00:45:20,376
Speaker 4: get me out of place pretty quick.

973
00:45:20,896 --> 00:45:23,216
Speaker 3: I know I was your favorite quarterback you've ever played with,

974
00:45:23,296 --> 00:45:26,736
Speaker 3: but you also played with two of the greatest quarterbacks

975
00:45:26,816 --> 00:45:30,096
Speaker 3: ever player game, Tom Brady Peyton Manning. Talk to us

976
00:45:30,136 --> 00:45:32,616
Speaker 3: about some of the comparisons, maybe some of the differences

977
00:45:32,656 --> 00:45:36,496
Speaker 3: that you saw between the two of this game's great

978
00:45:36,776 --> 00:45:37,776
Speaker 3: at the QB position.

979
00:45:38,256 --> 00:45:40,936
Speaker 4: I think the accountability that they brought to the table

980
00:45:41,336 --> 00:45:44,976
Speaker 4: was always a huge thing, you know, as far as protections,

981
00:45:46,136 --> 00:45:49,656
Speaker 4: as far as route running, making sure that everybody was

982
00:45:49,696 --> 00:45:52,736
Speaker 4: on the same page. Of how they wanted it done.

983
00:45:52,936 --> 00:45:56,096
Speaker 4: There was no hands or butts about it. You know,

984
00:45:56,416 --> 00:45:58,096
Speaker 4: if you didn't do it that way, you weren't getting

985
00:45:58,136 --> 00:46:01,056
Speaker 4: the ball. And sometimes they would just kick you off,

986
00:46:01,336 --> 00:46:05,296
Speaker 4: yelling at coaches different things like that. But they wanted

987
00:46:05,296 --> 00:46:08,376
Speaker 4: to be their best. He that took the whole team

988
00:46:08,416 --> 00:46:10,816
Speaker 4: and everybody doing their job the way they should And

989
00:46:11,536 --> 00:46:14,096
Speaker 4: just like you did, cast dog, you know, and you

990
00:46:14,136 --> 00:46:17,336
Speaker 4: got in there, just sitting there getting the troops together.

991
00:46:17,416 --> 00:46:19,576
Speaker 3: You know, don't kid yourself. I just look for you

992
00:46:19,616 --> 00:46:21,776
Speaker 3: in between that five and ten yard radius and said

993
00:46:21,816 --> 00:46:22,936
Speaker 3: he'll get open somehow.

994
00:46:22,976 --> 00:46:27,176
Speaker 5: Somewhay talk about the ninety nine yard reception. You're on

995
00:46:27,176 --> 00:46:29,096
Speaker 5: the list with a few other guys. That's the longest

996
00:46:29,096 --> 00:46:31,336
Speaker 5: it possibly can be. So you do have the record there.

997
00:46:31,816 --> 00:46:34,376
Speaker 5: What do you remember about it? And did you think

998
00:46:34,536 --> 00:46:36,296
Speaker 5: you were going to get caught at any point?

999
00:46:37,216 --> 00:46:39,736
Speaker 4: No, because I could see it on the Jumbo Tron

1000
00:46:40,096 --> 00:46:45,136
Speaker 4: and the Saint pretty low pre snap. And once I

1001
00:46:45,176 --> 00:46:48,776
Speaker 4: once I caught it, and I stiff armed the defender

1002
00:46:49,176 --> 00:46:51,256
Speaker 4: and he went to the ground. I knew, I mean,

1003
00:46:51,616 --> 00:46:53,336
Speaker 4: I trust me, I'll still run as fast as I

1004
00:46:53,376 --> 00:46:56,736
Speaker 4: could just in case. But the Jumbo Tron was right

1005
00:46:56,776 --> 00:46:57,856
Speaker 4: there and I could see I was.

1006
00:46:57,936 --> 00:47:00,536
Speaker 2: I was pretty uh cleared out of there. I'd say.

1007
00:47:00,536 --> 00:47:03,056
Speaker 4: The funny part about that story is like that whole

1008
00:47:03,136 --> 00:47:07,976
Speaker 4: training camp and almost like off season everything, Belichick was

1009
00:47:08,056 --> 00:47:10,576
Speaker 4: all over me about seam routes, like you can't run.

1010
00:47:10,656 --> 00:47:13,016
Speaker 4: And it was a seam route that I caught, and

1011
00:47:13,016 --> 00:47:15,216
Speaker 4: he's like, you can't run a seam route. Yeah, this

1012
00:47:15,336 --> 00:47:17,416
Speaker 4: is terrible. We can't even put you on them. Why

1013
00:47:17,416 --> 00:47:18,216
Speaker 4: are you even on it?

1014
00:47:18,416 --> 00:47:18,616
Speaker 3: Oh?

1015
00:47:18,896 --> 00:47:19,296
Speaker 2: Geez?

1016
00:47:19,536 --> 00:47:22,136
Speaker 4: Then and then I go ninety nine on it, and

1017
00:47:23,016 --> 00:47:26,416
Speaker 4: you know, looking back, I probably had more words about

1018
00:47:26,416 --> 00:47:28,336
Speaker 4: it afterwards than I probably should have.

1019
00:47:29,376 --> 00:47:32,496
Speaker 3: So you play for twelve years and then you decide

1020
00:47:32,536 --> 00:47:35,296
Speaker 3: to go into coaching, and one thing that we both

1021
00:47:35,376 --> 00:47:38,576
Speaker 3: know we've experienced is that great, great players don't always

1022
00:47:38,576 --> 00:47:41,816
Speaker 3: make great coaches. But what was the toughest transition for

1023
00:47:41,936 --> 00:47:45,576
Speaker 3: you going from the playing field to now being a

1024
00:47:45,616 --> 00:47:47,376
Speaker 3: coach in the National Football League?

1025
00:47:47,496 --> 00:47:49,816
Speaker 4: Well, really, I probably should have been a coach all along,

1026
00:47:50,096 --> 00:47:52,576
Speaker 4: you know, if you're looking at me, But you know,

1027
00:47:52,656 --> 00:47:56,056
Speaker 4: I think the biggest transition really is is kind of

1028
00:47:56,096 --> 00:48:01,736
Speaker 4: understand like you think you know, but you don't really know.

1029
00:48:02,336 --> 00:48:05,176
Speaker 4: I remember when I was first breaking down coverages. I like, oh,

1030
00:48:05,216 --> 00:48:08,896
Speaker 4: this discoverage is thatch coverage, and and then they correct

1031
00:48:08,936 --> 00:48:11,016
Speaker 4: me on it and I'd look at it and I'd be.

1032
00:48:11,056 --> 00:48:13,256
Speaker 2: Like, oh, wait, no, they're right.

1033
00:48:14,256 --> 00:48:17,536
Speaker 4: So, you know, I think it was a humbling process

1034
00:48:17,656 --> 00:48:22,256
Speaker 4: and seeing a lot of that. I think the techniques

1035
00:48:22,296 --> 00:48:25,336
Speaker 4: and stuff I had down pretty well, but also the

1036
00:48:25,456 --> 00:48:29,936
Speaker 4: rules of the defense. Understand their leverages and why they

1037
00:48:29,936 --> 00:48:33,056
Speaker 4: are where they are and all those different things. I

1038
00:48:33,376 --> 00:48:36,856
Speaker 4: think that's kind of one of the biggest eye opening deals.

1039
00:48:37,656 --> 00:48:40,696
Speaker 4: And also understand you know, there's there's a sense of,

1040
00:48:41,376 --> 00:48:46,256
Speaker 4: you know, dealing with different personalities and understand the personality

1041
00:48:46,256 --> 00:48:50,176
Speaker 4: that you're dealing with and finding a way to motivate

1042
00:48:50,496 --> 00:48:53,896
Speaker 4: or bring a player along or whatever it is, but

1043
00:48:54,256 --> 00:48:56,616
Speaker 4: just finding a way based on the personality of the

1044
00:48:56,656 --> 00:48:59,456
Speaker 4: player too and just kind of find the best way

1045
00:48:59,496 --> 00:49:00,016
Speaker 4: to reach them.

1046
00:49:00,416 --> 00:49:03,016
Speaker 5: So you're now with the Commanders. You took the job

1047
00:49:03,056 --> 00:49:05,855
Speaker 5: pretty recently. What is your position now because it looks

1048
00:49:05,936 --> 00:49:08,736
Speaker 5: like it involves a lot of different things, And how

1049
00:49:08,776 --> 00:49:10,456
Speaker 5: involved were you with the draft?

1050
00:49:10,936 --> 00:49:15,016
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I'm basically a personnel analyst. Yeah, I mean

1051
00:49:15,136 --> 00:49:17,656
Speaker 4: I'm helping out with the draft. I mean I came

1052
00:49:17,696 --> 00:49:21,016
Speaker 4: on kind of late in the process, so you know,

1053
00:49:21,256 --> 00:49:24,696
Speaker 4: really helped with a lot to back end type guys

1054
00:49:25,296 --> 00:49:28,496
Speaker 4: in the draft and you know, just writing reports and

1055
00:49:28,536 --> 00:49:32,576
Speaker 4: getting everything together and then really here just just trying

1056
00:49:32,616 --> 00:49:35,576
Speaker 4: to help however I can, you know, whatever the coaching

1057
00:49:35,616 --> 00:49:38,896
Speaker 4: staff needs, any projects or anything else going on.

1058
00:49:39,416 --> 00:49:42,976
Speaker 2: Just trying to add value the best I can.

1059
00:49:43,216 --> 00:49:45,016
Speaker 3: What are some of the trades and qualities you look

1060
00:49:45,096 --> 00:49:47,056
Speaker 3: for when you're looking at a guy on tape coming

1061
00:49:47,096 --> 00:49:50,656
Speaker 3: out of college as somebody that's evaluating this guy, What

1062
00:49:50,816 --> 00:49:53,936
Speaker 3: do you value as an evaluator of talent?

1063
00:49:54,256 --> 00:49:57,976
Speaker 4: I think the obvious ones are speed, hands, quickness, you know,

1064
00:49:58,216 --> 00:50:01,656
Speaker 4: all those different things, size, different stuff like that. To me,

1065
00:50:01,776 --> 00:50:07,536
Speaker 4: that's pretty standard around the league. But also look for toughness,

1066
00:50:07,616 --> 00:50:10,576
Speaker 4: you know, I look for things that I want the

1067
00:50:10,576 --> 00:50:12,896
Speaker 4: guy to speak to me with the way he plays,

1068
00:50:13,376 --> 00:50:17,136
Speaker 4: you know. I think the attitude they bring, how they

1069
00:50:17,176 --> 00:50:22,576
Speaker 4: block third, fourth downs, do they come up big different

1070
00:50:22,616 --> 00:50:25,576
Speaker 4: things that you kind of see and you're like, you know,

1071
00:50:25,616 --> 00:50:28,016
Speaker 4: and sometimes there's that one or two clips where you're

1072
00:50:28,056 --> 00:50:30,296
Speaker 4: just like, oh, Okay.

1073
00:50:30,216 --> 00:50:32,456
Speaker 2: Now this dude's a real dude.

1074
00:50:32,656 --> 00:50:36,016
Speaker 4: I think the character that they show and everything else

1075
00:50:36,176 --> 00:50:39,456
Speaker 4: is also a big part of the evaluation.

1076
00:50:39,056 --> 00:50:42,696
Speaker 5: Process and the evaluation We heard a lot from different

1077
00:50:42,736 --> 00:50:45,815
Speaker 5: people that work for different teams talking about how they're

1078
00:50:45,816 --> 00:50:49,256
Speaker 5: now judging players on if they love football because now

1079
00:50:49,256 --> 00:50:51,256
Speaker 5: they have more resources before they get to the NFL.

1080
00:50:51,616 --> 00:50:53,536
Speaker 5: Is that something that you were paying attention to as well,

1081
00:50:53,616 --> 00:50:55,976
Speaker 5: especially in the interviews, like do they really love football

1082
00:50:56,056 --> 00:50:57,096
Speaker 5: or do they just like football?

1083
00:50:57,096 --> 00:50:58,216
Speaker 3: And like what comes along with it?

1084
00:50:58,616 --> 00:51:01,456
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that speaks to the character part of it,

1085
00:51:01,496 --> 00:51:04,776
Speaker 4: and really, to me, with the whole nil deal, it's

1086
00:51:04,936 --> 00:51:09,376
Speaker 4: making more obvious the guys that are really about the

1087
00:51:09,456 --> 00:51:12,176
Speaker 4: right stuff and the guys that aren't. So to me,

1088
00:51:12,296 --> 00:51:15,416
Speaker 4: it's kind of it's pretty black and white as far

1089
00:51:15,456 --> 00:51:18,936
Speaker 4: as you know, being able to pick those guys out.

1090
00:51:19,296 --> 00:51:22,056
Speaker 4: They got some money, all right, how are they doing

1091
00:51:22,096 --> 00:51:24,976
Speaker 4: with that money? And they're still young, So it doesn't

1092
00:51:25,016 --> 00:51:27,616
Speaker 4: mean it's like they're you know, they don't love football.

1093
00:51:28,496 --> 00:51:31,456
Speaker 4: You know, sometimes they're just young and trying to figure

1094
00:51:31,496 --> 00:51:34,216
Speaker 4: out life. But to me, it's it's actually kind of

1095
00:51:34,256 --> 00:51:35,776
Speaker 4: helped the process in my opinion.

1096
00:51:36,136 --> 00:51:38,296
Speaker 3: There's got to be some buzz around that building too, right,

1097
00:51:38,456 --> 00:51:42,216
Speaker 3: the success that they had last year. Jaden Daniels coming

1098
00:51:42,256 --> 00:51:44,336
Speaker 3: into his second year, you make the trade for Jeremy

1099
00:51:44,336 --> 00:51:47,536
Speaker 3: Tunzel and also Deebo Samuel, who obviously you're familiar with

1100
00:51:47,576 --> 00:51:50,976
Speaker 3: because you coached him with the San Francisco forty nine ers.

1101
00:51:51,056 --> 00:51:54,816
Speaker 3: So what is the feel of the organization right now

1102
00:51:55,256 --> 00:51:57,936
Speaker 3: after now the draft bringing in some more talent there?

1103
00:51:58,096 --> 00:52:00,456
Speaker 3: What are you guys looking to do this year? Obviously

1104
00:52:00,496 --> 00:52:01,456
Speaker 3: hopefully win the Super Bowl?

1105
00:52:01,496 --> 00:52:03,776
Speaker 4: I'm guessing I think this year we're not going to

1106
00:52:03,856 --> 00:52:06,896
Speaker 4: sneak up on anybody. And I can't speak too much

1107
00:52:07,016 --> 00:52:10,416
Speaker 4: because I'm I'm obviously new here, but uh, in the

1108
00:52:10,456 --> 00:52:15,936
Speaker 4: past of you know, teams that have done well and

1109
00:52:15,936 --> 00:52:17,896
Speaker 4: and then the next year you're you're you're kind of

1110
00:52:17,896 --> 00:52:21,416
Speaker 4: a target on your back. So just understand that, understand that,

1111
00:52:21,576 --> 00:52:24,736
Speaker 4: you know, whatever work they did, you know this past

1112
00:52:24,816 --> 00:52:27,136
Speaker 4: year that we have to move the needle even more

1113
00:52:27,216 --> 00:52:32,216
Speaker 4: and and everybody working together and understanding that we have

1114
00:52:32,216 --> 00:52:34,496
Speaker 4: a great opportunity in front of us, and let's go

1115
00:52:34,536 --> 00:52:35,976
Speaker 4: out there and give it everything.

1116
00:52:36,016 --> 00:52:38,616
Speaker 2: We got to put a great product on the field.

1117
00:52:38,896 --> 00:52:41,016
Speaker 5: We got three final questions for you. I go first,

1118
00:52:41,056 --> 00:52:44,456
Speaker 5: you played with Cliff in college. Was he a part

1119
00:52:44,496 --> 00:52:45,976
Speaker 5: of getting you over to the Commanders?

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00:52:46,136 --> 00:52:49,136
Speaker 4: I don't necessarily think so. I mean, I have lots

1121
00:52:49,176 --> 00:52:52,616
Speaker 4: of relationships here. You know, DQ is actually the D

1122
00:52:52,736 --> 00:52:56,416
Speaker 4: line coach. When I played in Miami, Adam Peters was

1123
00:52:56,456 --> 00:52:59,136
Speaker 4: a GM and I was with him in New England,

1124
00:52:59,216 --> 00:53:02,776
Speaker 4: Denver and Sam Fran Larry Izzo I played with him

1125
00:53:02,856 --> 00:53:06,776
Speaker 4: and in New England and with him in Houston. So

1126
00:53:07,216 --> 00:53:09,656
Speaker 4: there's a lot of ties with people, you know. I mean,

1127
00:53:09,696 --> 00:53:12,416
Speaker 4: Clif and I have really been together since college. So

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00:53:12,816 --> 00:53:16,336
Speaker 4: it's awesome having him around and seeing him here, and

1129
00:53:16,376 --> 00:53:19,616
Speaker 4: we're enjoying ourselves and having fun, you know, coaching football.

1130
00:53:19,856 --> 00:53:22,856
Speaker 3: I've got to ask you, what's your favorite Coach Belichick

1131
00:53:23,096 --> 00:53:26,016
Speaker 3: story from your time in New England, Because everybody's got

1132
00:53:26,016 --> 00:53:28,576
Speaker 3: a great Bill Belichick story, but you've got to you

1133
00:53:28,656 --> 00:53:30,256
Speaker 3: got to give us a little something here, buddy.

1134
00:53:30,896 --> 00:53:32,456
Speaker 2: Oh see here.

1135
00:53:35,616 --> 00:53:39,936
Speaker 4: I think the time whenever they snapped it over your head.

1136
00:53:40,896 --> 00:53:42,936
Speaker 4: And remember when you get to go chase, it was

1137
00:53:42,976 --> 00:53:45,176
Speaker 4: like one before one of your first starts, I think,

1138
00:53:45,296 --> 00:53:47,336
Speaker 4: or maybe it's like your second or third, and then

1139
00:53:47,376 --> 00:53:49,416
Speaker 4: you kept on kicking the ball like you went to

1140
00:53:49,456 --> 00:53:51,136
Speaker 4: go pick it up, and you kept kicking it out.

1141
00:53:53,736 --> 00:53:55,696
Speaker 3: I was literally trying to kick the ball out of

1142
00:53:55,736 --> 00:53:57,496
Speaker 3: the end zone. Take the safety rather than the sack

1143
00:53:57,536 --> 00:53:58,216
Speaker 3: for a touchdown.

1144
00:53:59,136 --> 00:54:00,856
Speaker 4: It was really weird how you're doing because you kept

1145
00:54:00,856 --> 00:54:02,416
Speaker 4: on trying to pick it up and you did it.

1146
00:54:02,456 --> 00:54:08,376
Speaker 4: But but I think Belichick just showing that and just

1147
00:54:08,416 --> 00:54:08,976
Speaker 4: being like.

1148
00:54:09,016 --> 00:54:13,616
Speaker 2: What the hell is this sign mean? Are you kidding me?

1149
00:54:14,216 --> 00:54:17,176
Speaker 2: This is terrible? I used done to all of us.

1150
00:54:17,656 --> 00:54:19,856
Speaker 5: You guys all do good impressions of him, like between

1151
00:54:19,896 --> 00:54:22,696
Speaker 5: you and Light and West like you guys.

1152
00:54:22,456 --> 00:54:26,576
Speaker 3: All kind of it's not very long. Yeah, I don't nah,

1153
00:54:26,896 --> 00:54:29,096
Speaker 3: you know you're talking that little little voice.

1154
00:54:29,256 --> 00:54:33,256
Speaker 5: Well, final question, what you played with as Matt mentioned earlier,

1155
00:54:33,296 --> 00:54:35,376
Speaker 5: Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, but also you know, toward

1156
00:54:35,376 --> 00:54:38,416
Speaker 5: the end of your career, Uh, you were wildly famous.

1157
00:54:38,736 --> 00:54:40,335
Speaker 3: So what was the autograph rule?

1158
00:54:40,696 --> 00:54:42,216
Speaker 5: Either for you to go to like Peyton or Tom

1159
00:54:42,296 --> 00:54:44,856
Speaker 5: or for somebody to come to you and get you

1160
00:54:44,936 --> 00:54:47,336
Speaker 5: to sign something if they were from another team.

1161
00:54:47,896 --> 00:54:50,816
Speaker 4: I didn't mind it. I hate getting stuff signed for

1162
00:54:50,896 --> 00:54:54,496
Speaker 4: other people. So like people gonna be you want to

1163
00:54:54,536 --> 00:54:57,336
Speaker 4: sign cool, I'll sign, but they're like, hey, you have

1164
00:54:57,416 --> 00:54:58,976
Speaker 4: Tom signed this or Peyton sign it?

1165
00:54:59,136 --> 00:55:04,816
Speaker 2: Like eh, not doing that?

1166
00:55:05,576 --> 00:55:06,696
Speaker 3: Yeah, I felt that Wes.

1167
00:55:06,776 --> 00:55:09,416
Speaker 5: We really appreciate the time and congratulations on the new job,

1168
00:55:09,616 --> 00:55:11,736
Speaker 5: and congratulations on getting to move to DC. Actually, I

1169
00:55:11,776 --> 00:55:13,496
Speaker 5: mean like play in DC. Actually, you know you guys

1170
00:55:13,496 --> 00:55:14,536
Speaker 5: are gonna get a new stadium.

1171
00:55:14,736 --> 00:55:17,416
Speaker 3: Get out of that old well, we'll just leave it there,

1172
00:55:17,736 --> 00:55:19,576
Speaker 3: let's call it old. Get out of that old.

1173
00:55:19,976 --> 00:55:20,056
Speaker 2: Uh.

1174
00:55:20,416 --> 00:55:23,376
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really cool like watching you play for the Patriots,

1175
00:55:23,376 --> 00:55:25,656
Speaker 5: and obviously Castle loves you, so we appreciate the time.

1176
00:55:25,816 --> 00:55:27,536
Speaker 2: Appreciate it, guys, Thanks for having me on.

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00:55:27,656 --> 00:55:28,256
Speaker 3: Thanks as.

1178
00:55:44,296 --> 00:55:46,136
Speaker 5: All right, that's it for this week, thanks to Wes Welker.

1179
00:55:46,816 --> 00:55:46,976
Speaker 3: So.

1180
00:55:47,216 --> 00:55:49,176
Speaker 5: I'm still in the search of finding my new.

1181
00:55:48,976 --> 00:55:49,896
Speaker 3: Favorite NFL team.

1182
00:55:49,896 --> 00:55:52,216
Speaker 5: I guess my first favorite NFL team because I didn't

1183
00:55:52,216 --> 00:55:52,936
Speaker 5: grow up with the team.

1184
00:55:52,936 --> 00:55:54,616
Speaker 3: So I'm like, who who shall I like?

1185
00:55:54,816 --> 00:55:58,056
Speaker 5: I got a little call from the Panthers, did you Yeah,

1186
00:55:58,096 --> 00:56:00,936
Speaker 5: so we've been reached out the Colts.

1187
00:56:01,256 --> 00:56:04,256
Speaker 3: Their mascot reached out. Oh I remember we had this

1188
00:56:04,256 --> 00:56:05,096
Speaker 3: conversation and.

1189
00:56:06,656 --> 00:56:09,496
Speaker 5: Someone from the Panthers staff reached out.

1190
00:56:10,336 --> 00:56:12,896
Speaker 3: Looking at the landscape of the NFL in terms of

1191
00:56:12,936 --> 00:56:15,416
Speaker 3: the teams right now, are you kind of pulling that

1192
00:56:15,736 --> 00:56:18,376
Speaker 3: pulling for one team that hey, it might be cool

1193
00:56:18,416 --> 00:56:21,776
Speaker 3: to be if they'd reach out. Yeah, I don't mind that.

1194
00:56:22,016 --> 00:56:26,336
Speaker 5: I would like a team that's regionally somewhat close ish,

1195
00:56:26,736 --> 00:56:28,536
Speaker 5: don't It doesn't have to be. But so I could

1196
00:56:28,536 --> 00:56:30,376
Speaker 5: actually go, like, I think the colt would be cool,

1197
00:56:30,376 --> 00:56:32,576
Speaker 5: but they're just not very good right now. I don't

1198
00:56:32,616 --> 00:56:35,816
Speaker 5: need them to be great. Like a team like Denver

1199
00:56:36,176 --> 00:56:38,616
Speaker 5: is interesting because they might end up being really good.

1200
00:56:38,936 --> 00:56:40,736
Speaker 3: Right, they were good. They were pretty good last year

1201
00:56:41,136 --> 00:56:45,256
Speaker 3: Rooky quarter right, pretty good? Yeah, nex correct, And so I.

1202
00:56:45,256 --> 00:56:47,976
Speaker 5: Think any of the California team's probably a no no

1203
00:56:48,096 --> 00:56:49,896
Speaker 5: for you. I think probably the New York teams.

1204
00:56:49,976 --> 00:56:52,496
Speaker 3: Right, no, no, Buffalo, you wouldn't want to be part

1205
00:56:52,536 --> 00:56:54,536
Speaker 3: of that Bill's mafia. Go jump on tables and just

1206
00:56:54,576 --> 00:56:57,096
Speaker 3: they're already winning. They are winning. They're already winning. What

1207
00:56:57,096 --> 00:57:00,696
Speaker 3: about Kevin O'Connell Minnesota? Minnesota is interesting. Yeah, he's your buddy,

1208
00:57:00,736 --> 00:57:02,896
Speaker 3: he came on. That would be it as your buddy.

1209
00:57:03,216 --> 00:57:04,576
Speaker 3: You did it, are buddy?

1210
00:57:04,736 --> 00:57:07,016
Speaker 5: Well he yeah, but you know, I don't get any

1211
00:57:07,016 --> 00:57:10,496
Speaker 5: love or anything. Minnesota would be. That's the kind of

1212
00:57:10,536 --> 00:57:12,656
Speaker 5: team I think i'd like to like one if I

1213
00:57:12,656 --> 00:57:16,416
Speaker 5: go to games. It's indoors, yes, true statement. And also

1214
00:57:16,496 --> 00:57:21,256
Speaker 5: their chant skull clap whatever they do, it's kind of

1215
00:57:21,256 --> 00:57:23,576
Speaker 5: like woopig suie because nobody does anything like skull.

1216
00:57:24,136 --> 00:57:26,656
Speaker 3: No, it's rad too. And then the like I said,

1217
00:57:26,776 --> 00:57:29,136
Speaker 3: the motorcycle coming out with the Viking on it. Oh,

1218
00:57:29,256 --> 00:57:32,456
Speaker 3: let's go, and a lot of promise.

1219
00:57:32,936 --> 00:57:34,736
Speaker 5: But again they got a he's not a rookie now,

1220
00:57:35,096 --> 00:57:37,336
Speaker 5: although will he be a rookie since he never played?

1221
00:57:38,616 --> 00:57:42,176
Speaker 3: Who JJ? Yeah he never played last year. He's still

1222
00:57:42,216 --> 00:57:44,136
Speaker 3: in his technically in his second year.

1223
00:57:44,176 --> 00:57:47,856
Speaker 5: But Chad Holgren when he got hurt, didn't play the

1224
00:57:47,896 --> 00:57:50,336
Speaker 5: whole year. He finished second in Rookie of the Year voting.

1225
00:57:50,376 --> 00:57:52,856
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how the NBA is. Same with the Blake Griffin.

1226
00:57:52,936 --> 00:57:54,896
Speaker 3: That's a good point. It is in order to be

1227
00:57:55,136 --> 00:57:56,656
Speaker 3: you have to be No, you have to be on

1228
00:57:56,696 --> 00:57:58,536
Speaker 3: a roster to get a credited season.

1229
00:57:58,656 --> 00:58:03,096
Speaker 5: So he was because he got hurt in preseason.

1230
00:58:03,496 --> 00:58:05,536
Speaker 3: That's a great question we're gonna have to look into.

1231
00:58:05,496 --> 00:58:07,496
Speaker 5: Because if he's a rookie quarterback, I think I might

1232
00:58:07,656 --> 00:58:08,616
Speaker 5: decide to be a Vikings fan.

1233
00:58:08,656 --> 00:58:09,816
Speaker 3: If they hook it up, he might be the best

1234
00:58:09,856 --> 00:58:12,736
Speaker 3: rookie quarterback in the class. See, now we have it.

1235
00:58:13,656 --> 00:58:16,056
Speaker 5: I was shocked quin Uwers didn't go to Round seven though.

1236
00:58:16,576 --> 00:58:17,496
Speaker 3: That was wild.

1237
00:58:17,656 --> 00:58:19,736
Speaker 5: Yeah, not that I'm a big Quin Yours guy and

1238
00:58:19,736 --> 00:58:22,416
Speaker 5: I hate Texas because I'm from Arkansas. But I started

1239
00:58:22,416 --> 00:58:24,816
Speaker 5: to feel bad for Queen years because round seven to

1240
00:58:24,856 --> 00:58:28,056
Speaker 5: the Dolphins, Like seven's almost you'd rather not get drafted

1241
00:58:28,056 --> 00:58:29,056
Speaker 5: and go save it.

1242
00:58:29,136 --> 00:58:31,136
Speaker 3: I wanted to get drafted like that crazy, Are you

1243
00:58:31,216 --> 00:58:36,216
Speaker 3: kidding me? But maybe I didn't have the same stats

1244
00:58:36,256 --> 00:58:38,856
Speaker 3: that he had leaving college. I was pretty shocked by

1245
00:58:38,896 --> 00:58:41,656
Speaker 3: that as well, because he was hurt all year. He

1246
00:58:41,776 --> 00:58:43,496
Speaker 3: had a lot of injuries, but at the same time,

1247
00:58:44,296 --> 00:58:47,256
Speaker 3: he played at Texas, played at a really high level

1248
00:58:47,296 --> 00:58:52,816
Speaker 3: when he played, and people were predicting him first round

1249
00:58:52,856 --> 00:58:54,456
Speaker 3: pick story last season.

1250
00:58:54,536 --> 00:58:56,096
Speaker 5: Well, he was the number one recruit too out of

1251
00:58:56,136 --> 00:58:57,896
Speaker 5: high school when he went to Ohio State and then

1252
00:58:57,936 --> 00:58:59,696
Speaker 5: goes to Texas. But I thought the injury thing would

1253
00:58:59,696 --> 00:59:01,976
Speaker 5: work for him, meaning everybody knew he was hurt and

1254
00:59:02,016 --> 00:59:04,776
Speaker 5: he still played pretty well right and played tough. The

1255
00:59:04,856 --> 00:59:07,336
Speaker 5: fact he didn't at around seven color me shocked.

1256
00:59:08,336 --> 00:59:10,776
Speaker 3: It just was a weird year for the quarterback in general.

1257
00:59:11,176 --> 00:59:14,776
Speaker 3: I think one because of the talent from what we

1258
00:59:14,896 --> 00:59:17,456
Speaker 3: saw last year to this year, but then also you

1259
00:59:17,576 --> 00:59:19,296
Speaker 3: had a lot of guys that played a lot of

1260
00:59:19,296 --> 00:59:22,616
Speaker 3: football this year. Coming out that there weren't as many

1261
00:59:22,696 --> 00:59:24,936
Speaker 3: quarterback needy teams and they're like, we'll just get them later,

1262
00:59:25,016 --> 00:59:27,136
Speaker 3: and Quinn yours is a great example of that. Such

1263
00:59:27,136 --> 00:59:28,456
Speaker 3: a lack. I thought I was getting drafted.

1264
00:59:29,416 --> 00:59:31,856
Speaker 5: I was waiting, I was waiting for the call. Yes,

1265
00:59:32,336 --> 00:59:35,976
Speaker 5: thank you guys for listening. Please go follow, subscribe, lots

1266
00:59:36,056 --> 00:59:38,056
Speaker 5: to say. Hit that litt subscribe button. It would help

1267
00:59:38,136 --> 00:59:41,776
Speaker 5: us a ton. Matt Castle for Kickoff, Kevin, it's Reid's

1268
00:59:41,816 --> 00:59:45,936
Speaker 5: last day on the show, and yeah until you leave

1269
00:59:45,936 --> 00:59:49,976
Speaker 5: today and we're like, what was the Verde Rod Roddy Yardberry, We're.

1270
00:59:49,816 --> 00:59:51,816
Speaker 3: Gonna miss you. Read Thank you guys for listening. We've

1271
00:59:51,856 --> 00:59:52,696
Speaker 3: had lots to say.

1272
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Speaker 1: Bye, everybody, lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt

1273
00:59:59,776 --> 01:00:03,416
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01:00:03,616 --> 01:00:07,856
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1275
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