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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to a new episode of Legally Brunette.

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Speaker 1: I will be your host Emily Simpson with Shane Today

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Speaker 1: we're going to go, well, this is very breaking news.

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Speaker 1: So last night I was scrolling Instagram and I saw,

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Speaker 1: like a breaking news, Rob Reiner has been murdered along

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Speaker 1: with his wife, and I knew the name Rob Reiner immediately.

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Speaker 1: Did you you know who that is?

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Speaker 2: Right? No? I didn't know really offhand.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I knew that I knew immediately that he

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Speaker 1: had been in Hollywood, that he was a big name

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Speaker 1: in Hollywood, but he was more of a behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes kind of guy in Hollywood. So on Sunday, December fourteenth,

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Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Fire Department responded to a medical emergency

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Speaker 1: at three point thirty eight pm and found Rob Reiner

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Speaker 1: and his wife Michelle Reiner dead. A family member who

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Speaker 1: was allegedly their daughter, romy went to the house and

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Speaker 1: discovered them. Police said they were investigating the case as

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Speaker 1: an apparent homicide. Senior law enforcement sources told ABC News

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Speaker 1: the victims were stabbed to death in their Brentwood residence.

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Speaker 1: I actually just read recently because they just keep refreshing

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Speaker 1: and looking up articles because more information just keeps coming

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Speaker 1: out every few minutes. Honestly, that there's I read that

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Speaker 1: their throats were slashed. Okay, So the official cause of

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Speaker 1: death was will be determined by the LA Coroner's office,

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Speaker 1: which has not been provided yet. Rob Reiner is an

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Speaker 1: award winning director, producer, actor, and political activists whose career

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Speaker 1: includes some of Hollywood's most beloved films. From his nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty four directorial debut, This is spinal Tap. I have

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Speaker 1: no idea what that is.

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Speaker 2: If you have a final tap, you don't know what

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Speaker 2: that is.

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Speaker 1: No, I have no idea what is that.

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Speaker 2: It's a big it's got a big cult falling. It's

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Speaker 2: about a band.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's about a band.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's it's kind of a style.

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Speaker 1: I thought it it was like a spinal tap.

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Speaker 2: That was a documentary on some medical procedures.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I had no idea that the spinal tap is

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Speaker 1: the name of the band. Y Okay, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: He also did Stand By Me, The Princess Bride, When

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Speaker 1: Harry met Sally, Misery, and a Few Good Men. So

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Speaker 1: those are all huge blockbuster movies. He and his wife, Michelle,

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Speaker 1: have been married since nineteen eighty nine and they share

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Speaker 1: three children together, Nick, Jake, and Romy and Nick is

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Speaker 1: thirty two years old, who is allegedly the killer. So

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Speaker 1: what do we know so far? Their son and let's

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Speaker 1: talk about the son and his involvement in this. According

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Speaker 1: to multiple sources who have spoken with family members, Rob

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Speaker 1: and Michelle were killed by their thirty two year old

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Speaker 1: son Nick. Okay, here's my question. This is what And

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Speaker 1: obviously there's not a lot of details at this point.

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Speaker 1: It just happened yesterday. I guess my question based upon

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Speaker 1: just all the true crime that we do and all

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Speaker 1: the stories that we talk about. Do you first of all,

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Speaker 1: this reminds me of Menendez because you're talking about a

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Speaker 1: wealthy Hollywood family. They live in Brentwood, the Menindez lived in. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's parasite. I'm so you're talking about a son that

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Speaker 1: killed their parents and his dead though, were sons that

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Speaker 1: killed their parents in Beverly Hills stops turning.

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Speaker 2: You just put all those pieces together. It's yeah, yes,

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Speaker 2: the son killed the parents, that's the story. But it's

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Speaker 2: steps there. We don't know that there was abuse, or

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Speaker 2: I didn't.

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Speaker 1: Say there was. I'm saying that there is a parallel between.

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Speaker 1: It is parricide. That is the actual name of when

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Speaker 1: children kill their parents.

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Speaker 2: What's it called When the child kills the.

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Speaker 1: Father, patricide, and when they kill the mother, it's called matricide.

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Speaker 1: And the overall umbrella of killing your parents is called parricide.

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Speaker 1: And parriside makes up about one percent of all homicides

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Speaker 1: in the United States, just one percent, which, since we

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Speaker 1: have children, makes me feel slightly slightly better about the whole.

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Speaker 1: That is very true. So in a twenty sixteen interview

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Speaker 1: with People, Nick spoke about his years long struggle with

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Speaker 1: drug addiction, which began in his early teens and eventually

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Speaker 1: spent significant stretches homeless and multiple states. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: assume that he was homeless at multiple times, because I

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Speaker 1: he spent probably maybe he.

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Speaker 2: Didn't want to live there, Maybe he wanted to go

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he was with friends. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it said he was homeless, and he claimed he was

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Speaker 1: it said by eighteen he'd been.

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Speaker 2: In read I read that at fifteen he went to

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Speaker 2: rehab for the first time.

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Speaker 1: Right, and then I think by eighteen he'd been in

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Speaker 1: like nine different rehabs.

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Speaker 2: So that's I'm saying, go back to school, and like,

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Speaker 1: Was rehabit?

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Speaker 1: So to me it looks as if maybe his parents

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Speaker 1: just if you're not sober and you're not well, you

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Speaker 1: I just like to speculate on things. Also, I keep thinking,

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Speaker 1: or was this calculated, premeditated murder where he drove to

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Speaker 1: their house and he you know, liked the Menindas.

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Speaker 2: How did they like zero in on the sun.

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Speaker 1: I did read that someone said that they saw a

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Speaker 1: man outside of the house. They didn't identify him as

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Speaker 1: a son, but he had a white tesla and they

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Speaker 1: said that he wouldn't talk to press, and he got

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Speaker 1: in the car and he left. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: found the bodies and called nine to one one. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he was in the house near

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Speaker 2: Have you driven in Brentwood. Everyone's got video cameras in

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Speaker 2: their house. Yeah, it could have been. They quickly looked

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Speaker 2: at that and found that, you know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe or maybe the sister said, if you know, when

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Speaker 1: she found the parents dead, she said, it was my

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Speaker 1: brother Nick, go find maybe. So I don't know, that's

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Speaker 1: to be determined. In a twenty sixteen interview with People,

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Speaker 1: Nick spoke about his year's long struggle with drug addiction,

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Speaker 1: stretches of time homeless in multiple states. Nick told people

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Speaker 1: that the chaotic period of addiction, including nights and sometimes

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Speaker 1: autobiographical film called Being Charlie that he co wrote and

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Speaker 1: his dad, Rob Reiner, was the producer. You know, when

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Speaker 1: kids are addicted to drugs and then they have long

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Speaker 1: periods of homelessness. I think sometimes people are parents or

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Speaker 1: other parents are judgmental of the parents, saying maybe you

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Speaker 1: like to have a child that's a drug addict, And

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Speaker 1: the parents and the siblings and everyone. And I think

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Speaker 1: sometimes parents are left to say you have to leave,

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Speaker 2: Such or or or we're not gonna allow alcohol in

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Speaker 1: And that's the reason, right, Like, if you're going to

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Speaker 1: becoming homeless. But I think I just think we have to.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think it's unfair to judge

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Speaker 2: Doing I shouldn't judge anyone or the child that's addicted.

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Speaker 1: No what I'm saying. A lot of times when there's

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Speaker 1: hard decision to make. So Rob Reiner was the producer

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Speaker 1: Nick was addicted to hard drugs and rotating in and

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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, and then making the movie dredged it all

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Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, Rob said that the character Charlie resents

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Speaker 1: his parents for their harsh treatment amid his addictions as

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Speaker 1: to our son. Michelle added, this is the mother. We

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, drugs. Yeah, you're not going to be.

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Speaker 1: A stand up, you know, ethical drugs exactly, all right.

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Speaker 1: So the response from Hollywood has been astounding. So a

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Speaker 1: extensive list of celebrities and politicians have spoken out about

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Speaker 1: the loss of Rob and Michelle include Barack and Michelle Obama,

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Speaker 1: California governor Gavin Newsom, actor Ben Stiller, actress Kathy Bates

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Speaker 1: who was in and actor John Cusack, to name just

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Speaker 1: a few. Reiner was an outspoken supporter of the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 1: championing same sex marriage, early childhood education, and the careers

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Speaker 1: He did an interview with Piers Morgan and the topic

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Speaker 1: was Charlie Kirk's death. He claimed that he found the

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Speaker 2: then here now he is having been killed by you son.

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Speaker 1: So the LAPD Deputy Chief Alan Hamilton said, investigators need

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Speaker 1: A source who has knowledge of the investigation but was

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Speaker 2: Did he say that publicly.

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Speaker 1: He said publicly, but not confirmed. So well, because he's

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Speaker 1: I do have questions. My question is, again, like we

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Speaker 1: question is is he's one person. He's thirty two years old.

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Speaker 2: I think you're gonna do more speculating. You say you

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Speaker 1: I did well, I said. My speculating is guessing motive.

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Speaker 2: Well way spend it in jail. What are these people thinking.

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Speaker 2: Right and direct the next movie and take over right, right.

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Speaker 1: So I so I don't think that is the motive.

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Speaker 1: But you know, when you murder with a knife, that

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Speaker 2: That's it's very violent. It's you just pushed a button

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Speaker 1: Literally you and and to cut their throats, like you

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Speaker 1: Yes, I believe Nick was there and the parents were there,

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Speaker 2: It's on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: It's not right until until it makes into my reels.

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Speaker 1: Then it is official. So anyway, that's what we know

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Speaker 1: more and we will speculate more. Absolutely so, thanks for listening.

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