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Speaker 1: As a guide and hunter, I've spent thousands of days

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Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren.

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Speaker 1: This is cutting the distance. Welcome back everyone. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: this week because we're just gonna jump straight into elk.

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Speaker 1: I know, I on the last podcast maybe talked about

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Speaker 1: mind is just consumed with elk. I got so many

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Speaker 1: questions about elk hunting that I feel like, let's just

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Speaker 1: dive in now, and that will give us the month

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Speaker 1: of August to really cover some good calling tactics, some

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Speaker 1: think will be really important going into that September season. Also,

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Speaker 1: I know, just you know, looking at some of the

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Speaker 1: states that have sold out of elk tags so early

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Speaker 1: this year, and there's gonna be a lot of people

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Speaker 1: chasing elk this year, and I think that these tactics

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Speaker 1: a lot of people probably I've got a ton of

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Speaker 1: messages from people out of state, you know, first elk

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Speaker 1: count this year. So I really think that these elk

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Speaker 1: tactics will be good for new hunters, but also guys

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Speaker 1: that have been cutting their teeth, struggling or hunting elk

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Speaker 1: their whole life, and maybe just clean a few tips

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Speaker 1: that you didn't think about. Elk cunning is my bread

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Speaker 1: and butter. You know, I make my living as an

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Speaker 1: I get pretty fired up about it. I get excited

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Speaker 1: last fifteen years, so there's a lot of experience there

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Speaker 1: that I get excited to share with everyone about. Let's

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Speaker 1: go just straight into some of these questions here, because

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Speaker 1: I got quite a few of them. Will run through

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Speaker 1: and some will be answers, someone will be shorter answers,

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Speaker 1: but I think that all of them will be good

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Speaker 1: and as far as like maybe some stuff that I

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Speaker 1: an elk series and we'll have a Q and A

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Speaker 1: about elk cunning. So looking forward to these. I've got

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Speaker 1: a question for you while you elk hunt or guy,

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Speaker 1: do you utilize for service trail as much or do

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Speaker 1: you find yourself bush whacking more so? He says, I

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Speaker 1: moved to Montana a couple of years ago, and I'm

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Speaker 1: struggling just to find elk that aren't ten miles or

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Speaker 1: more from the road. I do EA scouting and then

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Speaker 1: ground truth a lot before season and feel like I'm

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Speaker 1: before the season. Any pointers that I might be overlooking

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Speaker 1: and I think if I just think back of Okay,

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Speaker 1: gotten on, whether it's you know, just towing up just

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Speaker 1: thinking of places where I hunt elk or places we've

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Speaker 1: not saying that I don't utilize those for service roads

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Speaker 1: in an area where there's like a very large number

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Speaker 1: is there time of day you prefer stocking bull elk

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Speaker 1: during September archery season? What tactics you use to get

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Speaker 1: I prefer to stock in the middle of the day.

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Speaker 1: What what happens is, especially in September, you know, the

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Speaker 1: Then the sun starts coming up, then the bulls are

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Speaker 1: Now stock betted elk can be advantageous to you, especially

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Speaker 1: So it can be a great tactic. But I generally

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Speaker 1: September and hunting him archery season. I actually believe that

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Speaker 1: archery hunting elk is oftentimes, at least in many of

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Speaker 1: archery season is the best time to kill a bowl um.

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Speaker 1: As you get into the later rifle seasons, they can

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Speaker 1: the thing about calling is it does take a lot

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Speaker 1: of skills that you have to master. If you don't

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Speaker 1: your best bet. But you can also do things where

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Speaker 1: Another tactic is if you really understand that area you've done,

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Speaker 1: calling strategies, behaviors, techniques, et cetera. And if there's a

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Speaker 1: difference between hunting the two, I think hunting cow elk

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Speaker 1: is something that especially if it's your first elk hunt,

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Speaker 1: it's a great tag to have. Elk are the most

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Speaker 1: delicious animal on the mountain and cow elk are the

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Speaker 1: most delicious of the delicious animals. I myself have a

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Speaker 1: cow tag in my pocket. This year, I harvested a cow.

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Speaker 1: Last year. I've guided many cow huns and been on

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Speaker 1: many cow huns. It's a lot of fun for a

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Speaker 1: lot of reasons. The first reason is the way elk are.

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Speaker 1: The cow to bowl ratio is way higher than most

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Speaker 1: buck too, dough ratios or whatever. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: cow elk in an area that has fewer bulls, so

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Speaker 1: that right there just actually increases your chances of success.

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Speaker 1: It also means that pretty much all cows are created equal.

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Speaker 1: I personally strive to take the smallest cow I can find,

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Speaker 1: often looking for you know, last year's year old's, or

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Speaker 1: maybe calves, just because you know, if I got a

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Speaker 1: pretty much every cow is delicious that I've had at least.

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Speaker 1: So the nice thing is whatever cow you run into

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Speaker 1: is probably the cow you're gonna take. Where If you're

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Speaker 1: bull hunting, some areas have to be brow time bulls.

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Speaker 1: You know, you might run into a spike. You might

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Speaker 1: be in an area that has better bulls, so you're

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Speaker 1: looking for a certain bull when you have a cow tag,

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Speaker 1: it's like all you have to do is find one cow,

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Speaker 1: get it within range, and make a good shot. So

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Speaker 1: getting a bull like that to come into a call.

428
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 1: And that's because that's what's going to happen in nature.

429
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 1: A bull is gonna go in, he's gonna bugle. That

430
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,920
Speaker 1: bull is probably gonna round up his cows and start

431
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 1: going off. Then the satellite bulls are just gonna kind

432
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,640
Speaker 1: of try to pull cows out in confusion, and then

433
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,879
Speaker 1: at some point that bull is going to not have

434
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 1: the upper hand and he's gonna say, Okay, now I

435
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 1: have to fight. He has to fight constantly, so he's

436
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 1: going to conserve his energy and only take battles that

437
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 1: he really thinks. Another thing that I a tactic that

438
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 1: I use a lot to draw in those bigger bulls

439
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: is either a decoy and then a combination of the

440
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 1: way that I call the more aggressive the bugle, the

441
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 1: better you hear this thing like, oh, elker, call shy.

442
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 1: I swear hunters are the ones that are call shy.

443
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,959
Speaker 1: I don't think there's such thing as bugling too bigger

444
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 1: to mean. If you're trying to get a big bull

445
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,439
Speaker 1: to come in, he needs to know that it's going

446
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 1: to be like, now is the time to do it.

447
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 1: And so when I'm calling to that herd bull, I

448
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 1: am not acting like a smaller bull. I think there's

449
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 1: this kind of misconception people think, oh, I'm going to

450
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: sound like a smaller bull so he knows that he

451
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 1: can beat me up and scare me off, and that

452
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 1: may work in some scenarios. There's times who have done

453
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 1: like spike bugles and they just kind of like all

454
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 1: they have to do is show themselves to a spike

455
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 1: and they'll run it off. But you know, like actually

456
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 1: directly challenging that herd bull is the best way to

457
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 1: get him to commit. And then you know, obviously if

458
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 1: it's archery season, it's legal whatever. You know, maybe throwing

459
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,479
Speaker 1: in a decoy or a spike type decoy because they

460
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 1: will try to just show themselves, run those those smaller

461
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: bulls off because they know they aren't going to fight.

462
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 1: Those are also great tactics. So dogging them, calling like

463
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 1: a big dog and maybe having some kind of visual

464
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 1: aid that might make them want to come in or

465
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: all great tactics. And then just like I mentioned earlier

466
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 1: that hunting in the later October, later in the season,

467
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: just isolating bowls and stalking big bulls is a great

468
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 1: way to try to get a bull that may not

469
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: be so easy to call in. So it just depends

470
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: on your hunting style as well. All right, Brandon Naski says,

471
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 1: I hear you talk about muzzle brakes a lot. Could

472
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: you go into the pros and cons of them and

473
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: what to look for when purchasing one. Thanks and keep

474
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 1: up great work. Yeah, that's a great question. I know,

475
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: when I talk about picking rifles, whether it's on the

476
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 1: podcast or just on social media or just anything, I

477
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 1: kind of like to say, you know, get my favorite

478
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 1: caliber is a three short mag. And if if anybody

479
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: asked me what gun do I get, I always say

480
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: a three short mag. I generally go with a lightweight gun.

481
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm shooting a Socco fin light. You know,

482
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 1: the tiakas a great like. There's a lot of great

483
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: lightweight rifles you know out there. Get a lightweight gun.

484
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: I go with three short mag and I say, put

485
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: a muzzle brake on it. The reason I like, I'm

486
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: a big fan of the muzzle brake is twofold. It

487
00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 1: reduces the recoil. But by reducing that recoil, you actually

488
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: shoot better now. The reason you shoot better is there's

489
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: less kick, obviously, but also you have like better follow through,

490
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: you can watch your impacts, you can be more consistent.

491
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: There's less jump in the rifle, and because of that,

492
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: over time, you're just gonna get better shooting habits and

493
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: you're gonna shoot better now. The downside the con to

494
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: a muzzle break is it's loud. So what it does

495
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: is it takes that energy of that bullet going out

496
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: the barrel. Instead of just sending it all straight out

497
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 1: the barrel, it kind of pushes it to the side,

498
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: And by pushing it to the side, it reduces that jump,

499
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: that felt kick that kicks straight back because it disperses

500
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 1: that energy as the bullet exits the barrel, and a

501
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: lot of that energy exits the barrel, So there's always

502
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: a reaction for every action. So the bullets going forward,

503
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: the gun kicks back, but you know that muzzle break

504
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: disperses that, so it changes the way that that felt

505
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 1: kick goes back. Now as it does that, it's throwing

506
00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: that sound to the sides, and it is very, very

507
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: very loud and can be very very damaging to your hearing.

508
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 1: I have got in the habit of you might see

509
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: videos or whatever. I always have ear plugs around my

510
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: neck or in my pocket like handy, and I always

511
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: put the ear plugs in before I shoot, or especially

512
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: when I'm guiding, I put the ear plugs in before

513
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: someone else shoots. They call him muzzle brakes guide killers

514
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 1: for a reason, not because like it literally kills your ears.

515
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: There are instances where I've had muzzle brakes go off

516
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: near me or have shot head to shoot without ear plugs.

517
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: It's not as bad if you're the shooter, but it's

518
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: really bad if you're off to the side. I mean

519
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 1: I have had instances where I didn't have an ear

520
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: plug in a muzzle break went off near me and

521
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: literally my vision just kind of like went black because

522
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: of the concussion and the sound that it made. It

523
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: just like it's very disorienting. That's the real bad part

524
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: of it. That is why I am such a huge

525
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: proponent of suppressors now. Suppressor is essentially a muzzle break

526
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 1: that takes a lot of the sound or the crack

527
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: out of the rifle. It doesn't make it silent, and

528
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: calls them silencers. I don't know why in this country

529
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: we have such a problem with them. You know, they

530
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: are a pain in the butt to get, but if

531
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 1: you have the option, it takes a little bit. And

532
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: know how, there's a lot of options out there in

533
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: most states now allow you to hunt with suppressors. They

534
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: are incredible because it's a muzzle break, so it takes

535
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 1: out a lot of the felt recoil, but also takes

536
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: out that extra sound that is going to destroy your hearing.

537
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 1: Now you should probably still shoot a suppressor with ear

538
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: plugs and if you you know, the decibels are technically

539
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: high enough to damage your hearing in most cases, but

540
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: by taking the crack out of that rifle, it's like

541
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: the best of every world. The downside to that is

542
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: if throws a little bit of balance issue in your guns.

543
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: So you can either cut your barrels down a little

544
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: bit and have that added suppressor, or there's some that

545
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: have like quick releases on them, or you actually just

546
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: have a muzzle break on your your firearm and then

547
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 1: it's got kind of like a quick release that attaches

548
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: to that on the suppressor. So there's a lot of

549
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: options out there now, and I think that there's a

550
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: lot more information out there now on suppressors and getting them.

551
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: You can you can go online and get these trust

552
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: things for like a hundred bucks that just their forms

553
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: you fill out and you bring that in, you get

554
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: some fingerprint I D cards, and it takes about a

555
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: year to get. So if you're thinking about getting a

556
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: muzzle break, maybe think about getting a suppressor and a

557
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: muzzle breaker or whatever. Those are just some good options,

558
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: but I suggest having some form of recoil reduction on

559
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 1: your rifle, especially you guys out there getting your kids started.

560
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: I just see, you know, I've guided thousands of people,

561
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: and I see a lot of people develop, especially guys

562
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: that were just giving guns that were too big for

563
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: them as kids, you know, develop these really bad shooting habits,

564
00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: anticipating rifle, flinching, that kind of stuff, and it's really

565
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: heart like. It doesn't matter how tough you are, it's

566
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: just a mental thing and it's really really hard to break.

567
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, I look at some of

568
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: the other places I've hunted around the world, and they're

569
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: very small calibers and suppressors are the norm, and very

570
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: few people have these bad habits that a lot of

571
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: American hunters get because we start shooting giant three wind

572
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: mags when we're twelve years old. And uh, I think

573
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: that it's just really good to kind of, you know,

574
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: use those recoil reductions and then yeah, I mean, make

575
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: sure you have a good gunsmith put that on. Anytime

576
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 1: you're having something done with your gun that can affect accuracy,

577
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: you know, make sure it's somebody that's reputable and knows

578
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: what they're doing. The type of muzzle brake I don't know.

579
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: There's all different kinds. I don't necessarily know that one

580
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: is better than the other. I've never had one that

581
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: I just really didn't like. I've have probably a couple

582
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: of dozen of them, and they're all kind of different.

583
00:28:55,080 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a great question, all right, Cody says, Hey, Ramy,

584
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: can't thank you enough for the information education you provide

585
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: all of us. I've learned a ton. I have a

586
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: question for you on upcoming out podcasts. I didn't draw

587
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: a tag in New Mexico, my home state, so Buddy

588
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: and myself are going over the counter in southern Colorado.

589
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: Do you have any tips or tricks for finding elk

590
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: and what I'm sure will be some packed units? Thanks? Again,

591
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: that's a great question, because a lot of the hunts

592
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: that I do myself are in what I would also

593
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: consider packed units, areas that you can just get a

594
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: tag and and go. I would say, like, my plan

595
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: is to always get away from hunters, but that doesn't

596
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: necessarily always mean go the furthest into the back country.

597
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: So what that generally means is find a place that

598
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: other people are ignoring. You might get there and there

599
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: might be twenty cars at one trailhead, and you know that, Okay,

600
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: once I get up this trail, that's the only place

601
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: to hunt up there. I would probably avoid that. But

602
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: also there's probably gonna be thousands of vehicles driving the

603
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: road roads. So what you're trying to do is pinpoint

604
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,959
Speaker 1: spots that are far enough off where guys that are

605
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: driving the roads can't see it or won't hunt it.

606
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: And then places that maybe aren't necessarily that iconic back

607
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: country that already has a trailhead that's attracting other people.

608
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: I mentioned it earlier already in the Q and A.

609
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: But finding those like spots that you gotta bush whack

610
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: into that take a little bit extra energy to either

611
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: get in or get out, and pinpointing those spots. Now obviously,

612
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: like I love to the first place, I'm gonna look

613
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: as those back country areas, but sometimes those type of

614
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: places actually get hunted a lot, and that may not

615
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: be the best spot for you. And also, you know,

616
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: stay away from the roads where people are just gonna

617
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: there's a large majority of the people that will have

618
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: those tags that will never kill an elk, and they're

619
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: just gonna keep driving the roads and maybe point zero

620
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: one percent will shoot one, but they're just cruising those

621
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: roads looking from those roads, so you're just trying to

622
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: find that place that other people aren't. Another thing I

623
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: like to hunt in really heavily hunted areas is places

624
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: that I call a hole where if I kill something,

625
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: I have to carry the elk uphill back out. That

626
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: really deters a lot of people from hunting that. So

627
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: if you can find those holes, those pockets, or even

628
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: just getting further and deeper into the back country is

629
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: a great way, just anywhere you can get away from people. Now,

630
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: the other option is if you know that area well enough.

631
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: Now this might not be particularly for Cody's instance, but

632
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: if you hunt an area a lot, understanding the escape

633
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: routes and like where elk like to travel, and then

634
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: using pressure to your advantage. There's been many times where

635
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: I get into a position knowing that, okay, the elk

636
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: are gonna get bumped here, you know, mostly the opening

637
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: days that I hunt our elk that have been pushed

638
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: by someone else, because I know this is where the

639
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: elk travel, this is where they're moving through. This is

640
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: the highest likelihood of these elk coming through here, and

641
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: then setting up and using other people to your advantage

642
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: getting into those positions where you're you're kind of capitalizing

643
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: on a known behavior that elk will be running around

644
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: on this particular day, and that generally is an opening

645
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: day in a general area. This next question comes from Thomas.

646
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: He says, my question is what do you think are

647
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: the must have elk calls? I have endurance and bow

648
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: practice going, but no idea about calling. My guess is

649
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: get some start practicing. Yeah. I think that elk calling

650
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: is an art, and I also think that there's certain

651
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: types of calls that I really like. I use the

652
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: Rocky Mountain game calls, and I like bugle tube. I

653
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: love like the kind of baseball bats that like whiffleball

654
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: bat style bugle too. I just think, yeah, it's a

655
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: pain to carry, it's a little bit bigger. It kind

656
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: of clinks and clunks, but gang doesn't make some good

657
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: elk sounds, and I just like to be able to

658
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: sound like an elk. I use like diaphragm or mouth calls.

659
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: They're just they go in your mouth, You use your

660
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: tongue and air pressure. They can be very difficult to master,

661
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: but you can also get sounds that you cannot get

662
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: with other calls, and I think that's the best way

663
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: to bugle, you know, maybe just starting out. Get some

664
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: of those and practice find ones that you know they're

665
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: they're kind of marked in like beginner to advance, get

666
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: some of the beginner ones and just start making some

667
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: tones on them. The best time to practice out calling,

668
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: I think, is just when you're driving around in the

669
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: car on the way whatever. Then you don't have people

670
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: in your house like freaking out at you. It's like

671
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: when you're driving alone getting your car. You can you

672
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: can download some ELK sounds onto your phone, you know,

673
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: whether it's like some YouTube stuff or whatever. I do

674
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: this all the time, and then you just try to

675
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: match the sound that's coming through speakers. Something calls, then

676
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: you call back and you just mimic those sounds. And

677
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: this is something that I still do constantly, Like it's

678
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: it's just the best way to understand how to use

679
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: the call and how to start making ELK sounds. Probably

680
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: some of the better beginner calls, I would say, are

681
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: just open read calls where you kind of use your

682
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: teeth to slide over and makes cow sounds and you

683
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: can make that you sound, or like you can make

684
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: all kinds of estrus calls with it or just cow taw.

685
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: Those are great calls. Even like bite calls where you

686
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: just kind of bite down and let off and blow

687
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: those are those are great. It should be in your arsenal.

688
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: There are some push button calls, and I know they

689
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: get a lot of flak, but I've used them throughout

690
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: the years, and I mean I used to for for

691
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: many years while guiding, especially when they first came out.

692
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: Always had There's one premost Hoochie Mama that was probably

693
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: my least favorite. There's like a Carlton call. I think

694
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: it's like the button call or something like that. They

695
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: have some weird names on them. But those button calls,

696
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: I don't think they are the answer to elk calling,

697
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: but it's okay to have, Like I would have it

698
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: in my pocket so I could like use a mouth

699
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: call or use whatever and call and then hit that

700
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: other call and have different sounds. Making different sounds is

701
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: key to sound like multiple elks. So maybe looking into

702
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: something like that, but I think you should definitely be

703
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 1: working on using a diaphragm call, learning that bugle, listening

704
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: to elk sounds, trying to mimic those sounds, and then

705
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: having some other cow calls handy as well. And then

706
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: if you can't do that diaphragm call or it's not

707
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: working there other the primos, it's got like this blue

708
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: thing that snaps over the top. I mean, there's there's

709
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: a few bugles out there, but I think the best

710
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: is just learning to use those those diaphragm elk calls.

711
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: And it's gonna take some practice. So get him now,

712
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: start practicing and start you know, listening to elk sounds,

713
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: and we'll cover some elk calling tactics here shortly. This

714
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 1: question says it's from Matthew, and he says, I plan

715
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: on hunting an area wilderness area for elk during the

716
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: rut about nine thousand feet. There's meadows on the north

717
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: facing slopes, a bunch of little mountain lakes creeks nearby.

718
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: It looks really good, but it is eight miles in.

719
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,479
Speaker 1: If we don't find elk after one day or two,

720
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 1: when is it time to call it quits? Try another area.

721
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: How long do you spend without glassing in elk or

722
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: hearing a bugle before giving up on an area. That's

723
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: a good question. It really depends on the time of year.

724
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: You know, when you've invested as much time is that

725
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: like you've probably packed your camping and you're saying, Okay,

726
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back here and this is where I'm hunting.

727
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: And you get back there and you don't hear anything

728
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: or don't see anything. What do you do? Me? Personally,

729
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: if I'm not hearing or seeing ELK, I'm going somewhere

730
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: else within a day or two. And part of that

731
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: is because if they're there, I I feel like I

732
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: have the skills that I would find them. I would

733
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: either see them or hear them, especially if it's like

734
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: peak rut. Now, if they just aren't making a lot

735
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: like elk everywhere aren't making a lot of noise, it's

736
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: super hot whatever, you might just have to start also

737
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: kind of hitting some wallows and some other things and

738
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: looking for fresh sign that ELK are there, and you

739
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: could probably still stick it out. Me personally, I kind

740
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: of don't like to burn a lot of time on areas,

741
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: whether it's ELK dey or whatever. Like I like to

742
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: go look. If I don't see what I'm looking for,

743
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: go somewhere else. Like I'm finding I'm trying to find ELK.

744
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: That quote unquote want to play like elk that are responsive,

745
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 1: elk that are doing their thing, because it's just gonna

746
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: help me increase my success. So if you aren't seeing

747
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 1: elk in that area, it's not saying that they aren't there,

748
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: but maybe they just don't want to place. You might

749
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 1: want to have to check the next base and over,

750
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: you know, be very mobile and start really trying to

751
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: figure out where those elk are. I know it's a

752
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,959
Speaker 1: huge time investment to get somewhere back there. Now I'm

753
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: just gonna see the exact opposite of that. If you

754
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: know there's elk in the area, you have like maybe

755
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: you've scouted, you've got pictures of elk in the area, whatever,

756
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: you know they're there, and you don't want to go

757
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: somewhere else. Yeah, you could probably stick it out and

758
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: you might get those days where they're you know, you

759
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: figure it out, figure out where they are, or maybe

760
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: they just aren't popping out the particular day you're there.

761
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: But for me, I think that if I'm not seeing them,

762
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing a lot of them, or there's just

763
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: not what I'm looking for, maybe elk knot being relactive. Whatever,

764
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go until I find elk that are

765
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: doing behaviors that I want to exploit. So that for me,

766
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: I love the bugle elk. If I go on a ridge,

767
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: I know there's elk here and no elk or bugling,

768
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 1: I'm probably not going to spend a lot of time there.

769
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go until I find elk that want

770
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: to bugle. And that's the way that I like to hunt.

771
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: But everybody's different. You know, maybe you're the guy that

772
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: likes to spot stock them, so you know you hear

773
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: out bugling everywhere, but you aren't seeing any elk come

774
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: out where you can kind of pattern and make a play.

775
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: Then you're gonna go to a spot where you can

776
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: find elk that you can see and watch and and

777
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: do a stock. So I think it just depends on

778
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: how you like to hunt. But I don't spend a

779
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: lot of time if I'm not seeing or hearing what

780
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: I want. All right, This last question is I have

781
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: very little appetite after long days hunting, especially when I'm

782
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: hunting alone. I obviously know I need to get some

783
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: energy in, but it's a fight. Suggestions as Jeff from Idaho,

784
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: that's a great question, and I don't know if everybody

785
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: deals with that, but that's something that I definitely deal

786
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: with as well. You know, like the first day I

787
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: might load up, eat whatever, and then I start hunting

788
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: and I get back there and I start getting after

789
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: it and I just am not hungry, and you really

790
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: do have to keep your energy up on these back

791
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: country hunts, on any hunt. Really, one thing that I've

792
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: found and this just is kind of like for me personally,

793
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: and I probably across the board with a lot of hunters.

794
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: Don't know if this is your particular situation, but you know,

795
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: just finding things that you really enjoy to eat. And

796
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: also I've said this before, but you know, going into

797
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: the back country is not the time to start your diet.

798
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know what it is, but I've

799
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: seen it have like so many friends I've hunted with

800
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: this that or the other. Thing, Like they eat a

801
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: certain way at home, then they decide to go in

802
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: a back country packing trip and they buy every natural

803
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: food bar possible. Not that good food isn't great, but

804
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 1: if it's not appetizing, not appeasing, and doesn't sound good,

805
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: you aren't going to eat it, you know. So like

806
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things, Like I tend to have

807
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: a sweet tooth, and so it's like I try to

808
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: pick a few snacks if I can. If it's not

809
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: super hot, I take a Snickers Bar with me. It's like,

810
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: if I'm not hungry, I feel like I always feel

811
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: like eating a Snicker's Bar. And that's just knowing my

812
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: body and knowing they're like okay, and then that kick

813
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: starts my metabolism and gets me okay, now I can

814
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: eat a little bit more. There's there's been so many

815
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: times where I'm in the back country, day whatever, and

816
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 1: I can't even finish my mountain house meal that has

817
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: something calories, So, you know, finding another option is to

818
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: find foods that are really calorie dense and adding like

819
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: little additives to stuff that you are eating. So I'll

820
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: take in little packs of coconut oil and drop that

821
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: in my dehydrated meal, you know, just to boost up

822
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: the amount of calories I'm taking in. Not all calories

823
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: are created equal. I understand that, but when you're having

824
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: trouble just even eating anything, that is key is just

825
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,479
Speaker 1: getting enough calories, finding foods that you like to eat,

826
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: you know, pack the foods that sound good to you

827
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: when you aren't tired, when you aren't whatever, because you're

828
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: going to be more likely to eat those and sample

829
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: a few dehydrated meals. I just recently have been trying

830
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: some of these Peak Fuel dehydrated meals. I mean, they're

831
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 1: amazing because they they're a better type of dehydrated meal.

832
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: You could just eat the stuff dry, and it's pretty good.

833
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: I just sampled bison ranch mashed potatoes is like a

834
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: Chad Mendez one. Holy crap, was that thing good? And

835
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 1: then I had a Penny Elk post and I'm like, okay,

836
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 1: and I looked at a lot of calories, highly suggest

837
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 1: those ones. I'm gonna start, you know, using a lot

838
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: more of those this year. There's still some Mountain House

839
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: flavors that I really love, you know, but don't go

840
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: like when you're going shopping for dehydrated meals and backpacking food,

841
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 1: try not to buy the bargain stuff. Just buy stuff

842
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: that you really like. I've learned that the hard way.

843
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: I used to go get these like backpacker pantry ones

844
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: and because they were cheap and on sale, and then

845
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: I tasted them and they all tasted the same, and

846
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: we're disgusting no offense to backpacker pantry. Those are the

847
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: ones that I tasted at the time I didn't like,

848
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 1: but I know I have friends that really love those ones.

849
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: So try some stuff before you get out there. Know

850
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: what you like and go with that. You know, there's

851
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Speaker 1: certain things I like, the pastas and other things. They're

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Speaker 1: just getting foods you like is key. Now, I would

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Speaker 1: say the other number one thing on the list is

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Speaker 1: staying hydrated. You know, if you aren't staying hydrated, it's

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Speaker 1: really hard to keep that appetite up as well, like

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Speaker 1: your body is probably running in deficiencies of other things.

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Speaker 1: I've talked about it before. I always use this wilderness

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Speaker 1: athlete hydrate recover drink mixes, keep your vitamin levels up,

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Speaker 1: keep your metabolism going throughout the day, and then you

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Speaker 1: kind of stimulate that appetite. I've had to learn that

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Speaker 1: over the years because I've had that problem and my

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Speaker 1: brother Jason exact opposite that dude will eat everything. He

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Speaker 1: will eat seven days worth of food on the first day.

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Speaker 1: Dude just he grazes. Man, he's always hungry. But you know,

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Speaker 1: for those of you that have that struggling appetite, bring

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Speaker 1: foods you like stay hydrated, use hydration packets, and then

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Speaker 1: get some high calorie foods, and then also throwing a

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Speaker 1: few of those like packout type bars, bars that have

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Speaker 1: a lot of protein and aren't real big, but have

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Speaker 1: enough calories where you can just get that extra boosta

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Speaker 1: energy when you need. There's still something to be said

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Speaker 1: for that. As much as I sometimes don't like all

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Speaker 1: the cliff bar style bars out there, I try to

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Speaker 1: sample them before I go find a few I like

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Speaker 1: and know that, Okay, if I eat this, I've got

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Speaker 1: what I need for now to keep keep those energy high.

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Speaker 1: Thank you everybody for sending in so many questions, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure we'll get more as time progresses.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can always reach out to me via

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Speaker 1: social media at Remy Warrant on Instagram. We've also got

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Speaker 1: the meat Eater website Remy at the meat eater dot com.

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Speaker 1: There's plenty info out there, but I'm really excited to

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Speaker 1: just this next month kind of jump into some of

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Speaker 1: this elk hunting stuff. You know, even if you haven't

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Speaker 1: been elk hunting or don't have any plans to elk hunt,

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Speaker 1: listen to these because there's gonna come a time when

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Speaker 1: you think lk hunting sounds good and you don't want

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Speaker 1: to be trying to figure out how to start lk

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Speaker 1: hunting the same year you have your tag, you know,

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Speaker 1: start start listening to this stuff, maybe get some milk call,

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Speaker 1: start practicing, even if it's five six years down the road. Man,

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Speaker 1: if you have a little bit of these skills that

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna start talking about now, it's gonna be huge.

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Speaker 1: And if you all kind of every year, I think

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Speaker 1: you'll really enjoy some of the stuff that we're gonna

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Speaker 1: jump into. So I I encourage you please share these

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Speaker 1: podcasts with your friends. You know, I really appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: I know you guys do, and and you know, leave

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Speaker 1: some comments, leave some ratings. Feel free to share it,

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Speaker 1: you know, if I see it pop up on social

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Speaker 1: media a lot people sharing the podcast weekly and I

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Speaker 1: just I just thank you guys so much for that

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Speaker 1: kind of support. It's awesome. Yeah, So that's that until

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Speaker 1: next week. Keep bugling. I don't know, one of these

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Speaker 1: days I'm gonna land on a good, like solid send

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Speaker 1: off and then I'll use it two times to be

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Speaker 1: sick of it. But Bugle is strong, my friends, Bugle

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Speaker 1: is strong,