1 00:00:15,264 --> 00:00:23,504 Speaker 1: Pushkin. I'm Michelle McPhee. My story, The Mobster in the 2 00:00:23,584 --> 00:00:27,064 Speaker 1: Mormon is in the November issue of Los Angeles Magazine 3 00:00:27,344 --> 00:00:31,984 Speaker 1: and is the story of the week. Every occupation has 4 00:00:32,024 --> 00:00:34,944 Speaker 1: a spectrum between those who do the real work and 5 00:00:35,464 --> 00:00:38,984 Speaker 1: those who don't. There are Navy Seals, and then there's 6 00:00:39,064 --> 00:00:50,144 Speaker 1: the US Navy's official singing group, the Sea Chances. They 7 00:00:50,224 --> 00:00:54,184 Speaker 1: are good in journalism. I'm the Sea Chanser, and the 8 00:00:54,264 --> 00:00:58,344 Speaker 1: Navy Seal is Michelle McPhee. Michelle and I started our 9 00:00:58,384 --> 00:01:01,224 Speaker 1: careers at exactly the same time. The very summer, I 10 00:01:01,264 --> 00:01:04,224 Speaker 1: was interning at Newsweek reporting on what news slang the 11 00:01:04,264 --> 00:01:07,224 Speaker 1: college kids were using. She was at the Boston Globe 12 00:01:07,544 --> 00:01:10,704 Speaker 1: covering the mob and during that summer, in the middle 13 00:01:10,744 --> 00:01:13,504 Speaker 1: of the day, a mobster walked up to her and 14 00:01:13,584 --> 00:01:16,744 Speaker 1: held her at gunpoint. If that had happened to me, 15 00:01:17,024 --> 00:01:19,824 Speaker 1: I have immediately walked away and started applying to law 16 00:01:19,824 --> 00:01:23,384 Speaker 1: school as soon as I changed my pants. Instead, she 17 00:01:23,504 --> 00:01:27,104 Speaker 1: stayed in journalism and went on to cover some crazy stories, 18 00:01:27,464 --> 00:01:31,584 Speaker 1: like she snuck into my boss, John Gotti's wake by 19 00:01:31,624 --> 00:01:34,464 Speaker 1: putting on high heels and red lipstick and dressing like 20 00:01:34,624 --> 00:01:37,744 Speaker 1: what she calls a gumada, whereas I'm such a whimp 21 00:01:37,824 --> 00:01:40,424 Speaker 1: I don't even feel comfortable saying that word on this podcast. 22 00:01:41,024 --> 00:01:45,304 Speaker 1: She also chased around Gianni Versace's killer in South Beach, 23 00:01:45,744 --> 00:01:48,464 Speaker 1: and she had this dicey encounter on a dirt road 24 00:01:48,504 --> 00:01:51,744 Speaker 1: in the South with a KKK. The dicest encounter I've 25 00:01:51,784 --> 00:01:54,424 Speaker 1: ever had was on a red carpet with doctor Oz 26 00:01:54,464 --> 00:01:56,464 Speaker 1: when he tried to smell my butt, which is why 27 00:01:56,584 --> 00:02:00,104 Speaker 1: Michelle delivered this insane story and why I'm making a 28 00:02:00,184 --> 00:02:12,704 Speaker 1: podcast about it. Writing is hard. Who's got that kind 29 00:02:12,744 --> 00:02:16,544 Speaker 1: of time when you're already busy trying to be Joe Stein? 30 00:02:16,864 --> 00:02:19,984 Speaker 1: So it turns on a mic mab It twiddles anob 31 00:02:20,144 --> 00:02:24,464 Speaker 1: because a journalist frand who's got in that dual jimetory 32 00:02:25,344 --> 00:02:32,904 Speaker 1: single story. Just listen to smart people speak, conversation, filming information. 33 00:02:33,024 --> 00:02:46,904 Speaker 1: It is a story of Michelle mcfee's article is a 34 00:02:46,944 --> 00:02:50,504 Speaker 1: mob story, but it's about a mob I never knew existed, 35 00:02:51,024 --> 00:02:53,704 Speaker 1: in fact, two of them. It is so nice to 36 00:02:53,704 --> 00:02:55,544 Speaker 1: meet you. I'm so excited to talk to you because 37 00:02:55,584 --> 00:02:59,064 Speaker 1: you are a real badass, like what you picture a 38 00:02:59,064 --> 00:03:01,904 Speaker 1: newspaper reporter to be like, Like, I'm scared of you. Well, 39 00:03:01,944 --> 00:03:03,744 Speaker 1: a lot of people are scared of me, so I 40 00:03:03,744 --> 00:03:07,664 Speaker 1: don't blame you. You wrote this amazing story in Los 41 00:03:07,664 --> 00:03:11,664 Speaker 1: Angeles magazine that I could not believe, Like I didn't 42 00:03:11,664 --> 00:03:14,944 Speaker 1: know any of this stuff. So you discover this incredibly 43 00:03:15,104 --> 00:03:19,944 Speaker 1: complicated scheme that starts with this polygamous breakaway sect of 44 00:03:20,024 --> 00:03:23,904 Speaker 1: Mormons that live kind of in Utah near Idaho called 45 00:03:23,984 --> 00:03:27,384 Speaker 1: the Order, which I had never heard of, a very 46 00:03:27,504 --> 00:03:32,024 Speaker 1: weird and very insular sect obsessed with the purity of 47 00:03:32,064 --> 00:03:35,064 Speaker 1: their bloodline. Look, these are people who believe that they 48 00:03:35,104 --> 00:03:38,704 Speaker 1: are direct descendants from Jesus Christ himself. Okay, So in 49 00:03:38,824 --> 00:03:42,864 Speaker 1: order to keep this bloodline pure, they marry one another. 50 00:03:43,424 --> 00:03:47,424 Speaker 1: So as a result, there is a lot of interfamilial marriage, 51 00:03:48,624 --> 00:03:54,944 Speaker 1: child brides, allegations of sex abuse, and marrying young girls 52 00:03:54,984 --> 00:03:59,224 Speaker 1: off to their much older uncles and in some cases 53 00:03:59,224 --> 00:04:04,584 Speaker 1: even half brothers. And they're incredibly racist and misogynist right. Well. 54 00:04:04,944 --> 00:04:07,864 Speaker 1: The Southern Poverty Law Center said that they could teach 55 00:04:07,944 --> 00:04:10,744 Speaker 1: the klu Klux Plan and a thing into what's just 56 00:04:10,904 --> 00:04:14,024 Speaker 1: saying a lot. The Order was founded in nineteen thirty 57 00:04:14,024 --> 00:04:17,184 Speaker 1: five by Elden Kingston, who didn't feel like the Mormon 58 00:04:17,264 --> 00:04:20,664 Speaker 1: Church allowed enough wives through intermarriage. They now have more 59 00:04:20,664 --> 00:04:24,144 Speaker 1: than two thousand members, all of whom are related to 60 00:04:24,144 --> 00:04:27,224 Speaker 1: each other in one way or another, or a third way, 61 00:04:27,624 --> 00:04:31,224 Speaker 1: probably a fourth. The multiple wives have many multiple children 62 00:04:31,424 --> 00:04:34,344 Speaker 1: who then go and work for the orders multiple corporations. 63 00:04:34,784 --> 00:04:38,064 Speaker 1: These include a call ranch, grocery store. There's a gun 64 00:04:38,064 --> 00:04:41,344 Speaker 1: manufacturing company that Donald Trump Junior has bought stuff from. 65 00:04:41,864 --> 00:04:46,104 Speaker 1: But the Order's main business is fraud. So the Order's 66 00:04:46,704 --> 00:04:50,104 Speaker 1: main enterprise is something they call bleeding the Beast, and 67 00:04:50,184 --> 00:04:53,264 Speaker 1: what that means is stealing from the government, which they 68 00:04:53,384 --> 00:04:57,944 Speaker 1: view as reparations because the government has discriminated against them 69 00:04:57,984 --> 00:05:01,744 Speaker 1: as polygamous. So they find a million ways to scam 70 00:05:01,744 --> 00:05:05,024 Speaker 1: the taxpayer and they thrive on it. And as the 71 00:05:05,144 --> 00:05:09,584 Speaker 1: family grew, this empire grew, and now prosecutors believe that 72 00:05:09,664 --> 00:05:14,824 Speaker 1: the Kingston Clan aka the Order is essentially its own 73 00:05:14,864 --> 00:05:17,864 Speaker 1: criminal empire. So Bleeding the Beast is like they're just 74 00:05:17,944 --> 00:05:21,224 Speaker 1: taking money from the government, right, So what they do 75 00:05:21,344 --> 00:05:24,304 Speaker 1: is they take multiple wives, but the wives have made 76 00:05:24,384 --> 00:05:29,104 Speaker 1: up last names so that they can apply for welfare 77 00:05:29,184 --> 00:05:31,544 Speaker 1: for their kids because the kids don't have a dad, 78 00:05:31,744 --> 00:05:34,504 Speaker 1: but the dad obviously is a member of the Order. 79 00:05:35,144 --> 00:05:37,184 Speaker 1: I mean, it's ingenious. Some of the things that they 80 00:05:37,184 --> 00:05:40,904 Speaker 1: pull off. They're working polygamy in their favor. That's exactly 81 00:05:40,944 --> 00:05:42,264 Speaker 1: what they're doing. They make if you're not going to 82 00:05:42,344 --> 00:05:44,824 Speaker 1: let's be a polygamist, then we're all single mom single moms. 83 00:05:45,784 --> 00:05:49,064 Speaker 1: Jacob Kingston's the great great grandson of the founder of 84 00:05:49,064 --> 00:05:51,264 Speaker 1: the Order, which sounds like it would make him a 85 00:05:51,304 --> 00:05:54,664 Speaker 1: big deal, but it did not because the founder has 86 00:05:54,944 --> 00:05:59,304 Speaker 1: hundreds of great great grandchildren. Still, Jacob's father was the 87 00:05:59,344 --> 00:06:02,664 Speaker 1: cults enforcer who meted out all the justice and the clan. 88 00:06:03,904 --> 00:06:06,024 Speaker 1: This also would seem to make Jacob a big deal. 89 00:06:06,504 --> 00:06:09,544 Speaker 1: It also did not because his dad has a hundred 90 00:06:09,584 --> 00:06:13,744 Speaker 1: and twenty seven kids with fourteen wives, some of whom 91 00:06:13,864 --> 00:06:17,824 Speaker 1: were also Jacob's half sisters. Despite not being at all 92 00:06:17,864 --> 00:06:23,264 Speaker 1: special genealogically, Jacob was unusually smart and ambitious. He got 93 00:06:23,264 --> 00:06:26,584 Speaker 1: a PhD in mechanical engineering from the University of Utah, 94 00:06:27,064 --> 00:06:29,144 Speaker 1: and he decided to start a company at the Order 95 00:06:29,424 --> 00:06:34,344 Speaker 1: which would actually help the world biofuel. His company, Wakashi 96 00:06:34,384 --> 00:06:38,264 Speaker 1: Renewable Energy or WRE, cleaned cooking grease and turned it 97 00:06:38,264 --> 00:06:42,144 Speaker 1: into biofuel for cars and trucks. Then he figured out 98 00:06:42,264 --> 00:06:45,624 Speaker 1: how to use his company to bleed the beast. The 99 00:06:45,624 --> 00:06:48,704 Speaker 1: federal government had just passed this green energy law, offering 100 00:06:48,704 --> 00:06:51,904 Speaker 1: a dollar for each gallon of clean biofuel, which was 101 00:06:52,024 --> 00:06:56,864 Speaker 1: more lucrative than actually making biofuel, especially, as Jacob learned, 102 00:06:57,184 --> 00:07:00,544 Speaker 1: if you keep moving around the same biofuel all around 103 00:07:00,544 --> 00:07:04,264 Speaker 1: the country, claiming that you cleaned it each location, and 104 00:07:04,304 --> 00:07:07,304 Speaker 1: then have your child labor force used their tiny little 105 00:07:07,344 --> 00:07:09,464 Speaker 1: hands to fill out as many one page forms to 106 00:07:09,504 --> 00:07:13,144 Speaker 1: the government as possible. This was so successful that his 107 00:07:13,184 --> 00:07:17,064 Speaker 1: company became a sponsor of the Utah Jazz. But Jacob's 108 00:07:17,064 --> 00:07:19,904 Speaker 1: bringing all this money to the Order and he's still 109 00:07:20,024 --> 00:07:23,704 Speaker 1: not getting any respect from the Order, right right, Like 110 00:07:24,704 --> 00:07:26,984 Speaker 1: the Order has this thing. I don't completely understand where 111 00:07:26,984 --> 00:07:30,024 Speaker 1: they give you. They rank you, They give you numbers, 112 00:07:30,584 --> 00:07:33,664 Speaker 1: kind of like the PGA. Right, Yeah, So like Paul 113 00:07:33,744 --> 00:07:38,264 Speaker 1: the Prophet obviously I think was number one because he's 114 00:07:38,304 --> 00:07:41,504 Speaker 1: the prophet. Then Daddy Daniel I think was three. And 115 00:07:42,344 --> 00:07:44,904 Speaker 1: Jacob didn't even have a number, he didn't rank. He 116 00:07:44,904 --> 00:07:47,384 Speaker 1: didn't even have a house. Of course, that was all 117 00:07:47,424 --> 00:07:51,464 Speaker 1: before he became the Walter White a biofuel. He testified 118 00:07:51,464 --> 00:07:53,584 Speaker 1: that he was living in an old old cabin with 119 00:07:53,664 --> 00:07:58,824 Speaker 1: rats and snakes with his first wife, Sally, and then 120 00:07:58,904 --> 00:08:01,584 Speaker 1: he drove a toyota Ursell at the time to visit 121 00:08:01,624 --> 00:08:05,104 Speaker 1: his other two wives. Between the three wives, by the 122 00:08:05,144 --> 00:08:08,664 Speaker 1: time Jacob Kingston was thirty six, he had twenty kids 123 00:08:08,664 --> 00:08:12,304 Speaker 1: in teen grandkids. Wow, that's a lot. That's a lot 124 00:08:12,384 --> 00:08:14,744 Speaker 1: of miles tofe you think about it. It's even crazier, 125 00:08:14,784 --> 00:08:16,784 Speaker 1: like you look at how many siblings he has. He 126 00:08:16,864 --> 00:08:19,464 Speaker 1: is one hundred and twenty seven. His dad has one 127 00:08:19,504 --> 00:08:21,904 Speaker 1: hundred twenty seven kids. By the way, I don't even 128 00:08:21,904 --> 00:08:24,224 Speaker 1: get the math on having one hundred twenty seven kids, 129 00:08:24,304 --> 00:08:28,264 Speaker 1: Like that's Wilt Chamberlain kind of work, right, It really is, honestly, 130 00:08:28,384 --> 00:08:30,984 Speaker 1: I mean this is kind of like I think it's 131 00:08:31,064 --> 00:08:34,624 Speaker 1: more kids than you know. Larry Bird had shots in 132 00:08:34,664 --> 00:08:38,864 Speaker 1: a way, which is astonishing. That's the best Boston metaphor 133 00:08:38,864 --> 00:08:41,984 Speaker 1: I've ever heard, well, the only a lot of Boston 134 00:08:42,024 --> 00:08:44,624 Speaker 1: metaphors for me, which I just want to give everybody 135 00:08:44,704 --> 00:08:47,224 Speaker 1: warning to the biod Boston Brooklyn accent that you have 136 00:08:47,264 --> 00:08:49,464 Speaker 1: to tolerate. Oh yeah, I haven't understood a third of 137 00:08:49,464 --> 00:08:53,264 Speaker 1: what you've said. You could just slow me down at 138 00:08:53,304 --> 00:08:55,544 Speaker 1: all points, Okay, So Jacob comes up with a way 139 00:08:55,544 --> 00:08:58,104 Speaker 1: to steal even more money from the government, which he 140 00:08:58,184 --> 00:09:02,064 Speaker 1: calls the Plan. What motivates Jacob to make the plan? 141 00:09:02,904 --> 00:09:07,224 Speaker 1: I think Jacob wanted to obviously ascend his status in 142 00:09:07,264 --> 00:09:09,984 Speaker 1: the Order. You know, his dad is a big shot, 143 00:09:10,144 --> 00:09:12,544 Speaker 1: his uncle is a big shot. He is not a 144 00:09:12,584 --> 00:09:16,224 Speaker 1: big shot. And you know, the more money you bring 145 00:09:16,224 --> 00:09:20,184 Speaker 1: into the Order, the hotter your wives are. This is 146 00:09:20,184 --> 00:09:22,584 Speaker 1: how basic it is. The more money you bring it 147 00:09:22,624 --> 00:09:25,264 Speaker 1: into the Order and the higher year of status. Nothing 148 00:09:25,264 --> 00:09:28,624 Speaker 1: like Los Angeles, nothing at all, exactly. And at some 149 00:09:28,744 --> 00:09:32,864 Speaker 1: point the plan gets so big and so successful that 150 00:09:32,944 --> 00:09:35,344 Speaker 1: he wants to take it to the next level, and 151 00:09:35,424 --> 00:09:38,184 Speaker 1: he feels like he needs a partner. How does he 152 00:09:38,224 --> 00:09:42,144 Speaker 1: go about finding someone to help him bring this scam 153 00:09:42,184 --> 00:09:44,664 Speaker 1: to the next level. So Jacob testified that he had 154 00:09:44,664 --> 00:09:47,104 Speaker 1: a sales guy who knew about this man in LA 155 00:09:47,264 --> 00:09:50,664 Speaker 1: who was an energy titan. He was a kingpin of 156 00:09:50,864 --> 00:09:54,584 Speaker 1: gas stations here in Los Angeles. And why would someone 157 00:09:54,664 --> 00:09:58,184 Speaker 1: in the Order know like someone in Los Angeles, Well, 158 00:09:58,224 --> 00:10:02,424 Speaker 1: there was somebody who was actually legitimately in the fuel industry. 159 00:10:02,464 --> 00:10:06,184 Speaker 1: When there was a tiny tinge of legitimacy to WRI 160 00:10:06,344 --> 00:10:10,384 Speaker 1: as they called it. They needed partners to move the biofuel, 161 00:10:11,104 --> 00:10:15,464 Speaker 1: and the salesperson knew about you know, this energy titan 162 00:10:16,104 --> 00:10:19,704 Speaker 1: and his name was Lev Derman. Okay, so this is 163 00:10:19,704 --> 00:10:22,344 Speaker 1: the guy everyone calls the Lion and seems to run 164 00:10:22,384 --> 00:10:25,744 Speaker 1: the Armenian Mafia, which is this mob family in Los 165 00:10:25,744 --> 00:10:28,784 Speaker 1: Angeles that I didn't even know existed. How does this 166 00:10:28,784 --> 00:10:32,104 Speaker 1: guy become a mob boss? He had a pretty great 167 00:10:32,224 --> 00:10:35,264 Speaker 1: immigrant success story. You know, he fled Armenia when he 168 00:10:35,304 --> 00:10:38,544 Speaker 1: was fourteen years old with his family. He enrolled in 169 00:10:38,864 --> 00:10:42,784 Speaker 1: Hollywood High School. You know, he got a part time 170 00:10:42,824 --> 00:10:46,024 Speaker 1: gig working at his family's gas station, and before you 171 00:10:46,064 --> 00:10:49,464 Speaker 1: know it, this guy owned a string of gas stations, 172 00:10:49,504 --> 00:10:55,344 Speaker 1: some trucking companies and had some very high ranking sources 173 00:10:55,424 --> 00:11:01,624 Speaker 1: to protect him from any you know, real law enforcement scrutiny. 174 00:11:01,704 --> 00:11:05,304 Speaker 1: He's a billionaire by the time he's thirty, right, correct, 175 00:11:05,904 --> 00:11:10,664 Speaker 1: He's a billionaire. He's moving in very very high ranking circles. 176 00:11:11,264 --> 00:11:15,344 Speaker 1: You know, he counts Tony Chappa, who was the assistant 177 00:11:15,384 --> 00:11:17,584 Speaker 1: director of the Secret Service here in Los Angeles, as 178 00:11:17,584 --> 00:11:22,344 Speaker 1: a close friend. He's buddies with Lee Bacca. He's running 179 00:11:22,424 --> 00:11:26,184 Speaker 1: Leebacco is the sheriff of La who was super corrupt, right, Well, 180 00:11:26,744 --> 00:11:29,624 Speaker 1: I know he went to prison. So the Lion has 181 00:11:29,624 --> 00:11:32,064 Speaker 1: a bunch of people on his payroll that he calls 182 00:11:32,144 --> 00:11:35,384 Speaker 1: the boys. Who are the boys? I mean, the boys 183 00:11:35,384 --> 00:11:38,264 Speaker 1: are pretty extensive. He has the FBI agent, he has 184 00:11:38,344 --> 00:11:43,264 Speaker 1: a Homely and Security investigations agent. He has Beverly Hills 185 00:11:43,264 --> 00:11:46,864 Speaker 1: police officers who are working off duty, buddies with a sheriff. 186 00:11:47,544 --> 00:11:51,064 Speaker 1: And that's not to mention all of the international connections 187 00:11:51,104 --> 00:11:53,704 Speaker 1: he had in Belize, in Turkey and other countries around 188 00:11:53,704 --> 00:11:57,144 Speaker 1: the world. Okay, so he's leading this incredible life. You 189 00:11:57,144 --> 00:12:01,184 Speaker 1: have these pictures of his private jet and his Bugattis 190 00:12:01,224 --> 00:12:05,864 Speaker 1: and they're all like these glowing gold colored things, like 191 00:12:06,184 --> 00:12:08,704 Speaker 1: like even Donald Trump would think they were tacky. His 192 00:12:08,784 --> 00:12:11,864 Speaker 1: fit at birthday party, somebody gifted him a two million 193 00:12:11,864 --> 00:12:15,904 Speaker 1: dollars Bugghatti. But they had live lions there to protect 194 00:12:15,984 --> 00:12:19,304 Speaker 1: the Baggatti at this birthday party that took place at 195 00:12:19,384 --> 00:12:23,384 Speaker 1: Universal Studios and one of the fancy hotels, and everybody 196 00:12:23,464 --> 00:12:25,344 Speaker 1: was there and it was like a movie set, you know. 197 00:12:25,384 --> 00:12:29,224 Speaker 1: They had live lions and models and the owner of 198 00:12:29,304 --> 00:12:35,704 Speaker 1: Lamborghini actually broadcasts from Italy into the party because he 199 00:12:35,744 --> 00:12:40,144 Speaker 1: was also obsessed with Lamborghini's lions, and Lamborghini's were Lebderman's thing. 200 00:12:40,304 --> 00:12:43,384 Speaker 1: When Jacob finally gets this meeting with the Lion, who 201 00:12:43,464 --> 00:12:47,144 Speaker 1: he thinks can help him take his scam the plan 202 00:12:47,304 --> 00:12:49,984 Speaker 1: to the next level, Like, what's that meeting? Like it 203 00:12:50,024 --> 00:12:52,224 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like these two would want to go into 204 00:12:52,224 --> 00:12:55,104 Speaker 1: business with each other. Well, Jacob described it on the stand. 205 00:12:55,144 --> 00:12:57,584 Speaker 1: He said that he showed up in commerce part of 206 00:12:57,744 --> 00:13:01,384 Speaker 1: La So Jacob shows up. Here's this backwater guy and 207 00:13:01,464 --> 00:13:05,544 Speaker 1: his wranglers, and he walks five the armed bodyguards and 208 00:13:05,664 --> 00:13:09,864 Speaker 1: the Lambeau donut rings and the dirt outside, and he 209 00:13:10,584 --> 00:13:13,184 Speaker 1: walks by the two lion statues that sort of flanked 210 00:13:13,184 --> 00:13:17,464 Speaker 1: the doorway of this trailer, walks in the furniture inside 211 00:13:17,464 --> 00:13:20,744 Speaker 1: he said was made by Lamborghini. They got down to business. 212 00:13:21,184 --> 00:13:24,464 Speaker 1: The Lion said that he wanted to tour the WRI 213 00:13:24,704 --> 00:13:28,184 Speaker 1: facility because the Lion did have ways to move oil 214 00:13:28,184 --> 00:13:32,024 Speaker 1: around and biofuel. He had oil companies. Yeah, he had 215 00:13:32,024 --> 00:13:35,264 Speaker 1: oil companies. He had he had trucking companies, and he 216 00:13:35,304 --> 00:13:39,424 Speaker 1: had roots and he had access. Oh so real. He 217 00:13:39,504 --> 00:13:42,464 Speaker 1: was actually just a good business oil guy who was 218 00:13:42,544 --> 00:13:44,744 Speaker 1: useful in that way. Plus he had guys on his 219 00:13:44,784 --> 00:13:48,104 Speaker 1: payroll and the FBI and the police who Jacob probably 220 00:13:48,144 --> 00:13:50,464 Speaker 1: needed to pull off the scam. And that's exactly what 221 00:13:50,624 --> 00:13:53,544 Speaker 1: Jacob really brought the Lion in for. It wasn't just 222 00:13:53,704 --> 00:13:56,664 Speaker 1: for his ability to move the product around. It was 223 00:13:56,704 --> 00:14:00,584 Speaker 1: because of what he called the umbrella of protection. You 224 00:14:00,624 --> 00:14:04,064 Speaker 1: know what confuses me is why would the Lion, who's 225 00:14:04,064 --> 00:14:07,864 Speaker 1: already a billionaire, has got stuff going on in LA 226 00:14:08,144 --> 00:14:12,944 Speaker 1: want to get involved with this racist polygamous sect that 227 00:14:13,024 --> 00:14:15,904 Speaker 1: has child brides Like I would just think he'd see 228 00:14:15,904 --> 00:14:18,344 Speaker 1: these people and not want to get involved. Well, look, 229 00:14:18,424 --> 00:14:21,224 Speaker 1: the Lion was always on the lookout for a new opportunity, 230 00:14:21,424 --> 00:14:24,824 Speaker 1: and Jacob presented one. It was easy cash, easy flow. 231 00:14:25,184 --> 00:14:29,304 Speaker 1: But I also think that he almost related to Jacob 232 00:14:29,464 --> 00:14:32,024 Speaker 1: in a weird way, because remember, this is not a 233 00:14:32,024 --> 00:14:34,264 Speaker 1: guy who came to the United States as a billionaire. 234 00:14:34,344 --> 00:14:38,704 Speaker 1: He was a refugee from a dissolving Soviet Union country 235 00:14:39,224 --> 00:14:41,704 Speaker 1: and he worked his way to the top, and I 236 00:14:41,704 --> 00:14:44,664 Speaker 1: think he saw that in Jacob. Jacob came from these 237 00:14:44,704 --> 00:14:50,584 Speaker 1: horrible circumstances in this racist polygamous cult, and he still 238 00:14:50,624 --> 00:14:53,784 Speaker 1: made something of himself and got this doctorate degree. So 239 00:14:53,864 --> 00:14:58,024 Speaker 1: I think that the Lion appreciated, you know, the brains 240 00:14:58,624 --> 00:15:02,144 Speaker 1: that Jacob brought to this operation. So I think, you know, 241 00:15:02,224 --> 00:15:05,064 Speaker 1: they had this mutual respect. It was almost like an admiration. 242 00:15:05,464 --> 00:15:10,944 Speaker 1: And as this friendship partnership grew, Jacob became more like 243 00:15:11,024 --> 00:15:13,264 Speaker 1: the lion, and the Lion tried to take on some 244 00:15:13,344 --> 00:15:16,624 Speaker 1: of Jacob's intellect. Okay, So eventually the Lion comes to 245 00:15:16,744 --> 00:15:19,384 Speaker 1: Utah to see Jacob and help him out with his 246 00:15:19,504 --> 00:15:22,904 Speaker 1: like snake and rat house situation, and he decides to 247 00:15:22,944 --> 00:15:26,344 Speaker 1: come on Pioneer Day, which is this Mormon holiday that 248 00:15:26,424 --> 00:15:29,784 Speaker 1: celebrates their coming to Utah. Now what is that meaning? Like? 249 00:15:30,944 --> 00:15:33,664 Speaker 1: So they have you know, parties all over Utah, parade 250 00:15:33,664 --> 00:15:37,544 Speaker 1: floats and little girls wearing prairie dresses and talent shows 251 00:15:37,064 --> 00:15:40,344 Speaker 1: in a swimming hole, and barbecues and piles of food 252 00:15:40,384 --> 00:15:44,824 Speaker 1: and sister wives everywhere. Suddenly there's like the roar of 253 00:15:44,864 --> 00:15:50,704 Speaker 1: a Lamborghini engine and this chrome merc Liago comes into 254 00:15:50,824 --> 00:15:55,944 Speaker 1: view on the scrubby grass. One blue alligator show comes out. 255 00:15:56,784 --> 00:16:00,224 Speaker 1: Outcomes a stranger. Now remember he's Armenian. So here's this 256 00:16:00,344 --> 00:16:02,104 Speaker 1: dark skinned guy. They don't have a lot of dark 257 00:16:02,184 --> 00:16:06,504 Speaker 1: skinned people around the order for that they're particularly they're 258 00:16:06,544 --> 00:16:10,224 Speaker 1: really racist, right, they're rarely racist, and the very you know, 259 00:16:10,984 --> 00:16:15,424 Speaker 1: they're very opposed outsiders. They actually call other people outsiders. Yeah, 260 00:16:15,464 --> 00:16:18,824 Speaker 1: so here comes this dark skinned outsider. But was really 261 00:16:18,864 --> 00:16:23,144 Speaker 1: shocking is his passenger, who was Jacob Kingston. Now remember 262 00:16:23,304 --> 00:16:26,744 Speaker 1: this lambo is still surrounded by a gog. Children and 263 00:16:26,784 --> 00:16:29,424 Speaker 1: people are snapping selfies and it looks like the spaceship 264 00:16:30,024 --> 00:16:33,664 Speaker 1: and it's a swarm of you know, Kingston's and the 265 00:16:33,744 --> 00:16:36,824 Speaker 1: lion turns. He makes sure that everybody's watching, and he 266 00:16:36,864 --> 00:16:40,344 Speaker 1: turns to Jacob and he says, hey, Jacob tosses him 267 00:16:40,344 --> 00:16:43,304 Speaker 1: the keys, it's yours, and the lion threw him a bone, 268 00:16:43,664 --> 00:16:46,224 Speaker 1: threw him the keys to that lamba and set him 269 00:16:46,264 --> 00:16:48,344 Speaker 1: on his way to becoming a different person into like 270 00:16:48,384 --> 00:16:51,744 Speaker 1: bolstering his self esteem. But he created a monster with 271 00:16:51,864 --> 00:16:55,104 Speaker 1: that move. Like that tossing of the lambo keys, I 272 00:16:55,184 --> 00:16:59,024 Speaker 1: think is the what turned Jacob Kingston into a monster. 273 00:16:59,584 --> 00:17:02,384 Speaker 1: When we come back, I'll make an inappropriate number of 274 00:17:02,424 --> 00:17:06,584 Speaker 1: polygamy jokes. But first a word from our sponsor about 275 00:17:06,624 --> 00:17:09,624 Speaker 1: some amazing items that would make a great gift your wife, 276 00:17:10,024 --> 00:17:20,144 Speaker 1: no matter how many of them you have. The Lion 277 00:17:20,184 --> 00:17:22,504 Speaker 1: had helped Jacob take Bleeding the Beast to a level 278 00:17:22,544 --> 00:17:24,864 Speaker 1: that no one in the Order could have ever imagined. 279 00:17:25,624 --> 00:17:27,584 Speaker 1: So at the height of the scam, how much money 280 00:17:27,584 --> 00:17:30,784 Speaker 1: are they making? So when it was all said and done, 281 00:17:30,944 --> 00:17:34,504 Speaker 1: they had five hundred and eleven million dollars that they 282 00:17:34,504 --> 00:17:38,024 Speaker 1: had successfully grabbed from the US taxpayer, from US, the 283 00:17:38,144 --> 00:17:41,024 Speaker 1: US taxpayer. They were making so much money they had 284 00:17:41,024 --> 00:17:44,984 Speaker 1: to start laundering it in other countries. Jacob was making 285 00:17:45,024 --> 00:17:48,384 Speaker 1: plans to flee to Turkey. By then he was friends 286 00:17:48,384 --> 00:17:51,344 Speaker 1: with the Turkish President Urtigon. So what were they doing 287 00:17:51,384 --> 00:17:53,624 Speaker 1: with all this money? In Turkey? They bought the mardaun 288 00:17:53,744 --> 00:17:58,864 Speaker 1: Polis five star hotel, an airliner called Bora Jet. They 289 00:17:58,904 --> 00:18:01,504 Speaker 1: had homes all over the place, like waterfront mansions and 290 00:18:01,624 --> 00:18:06,024 Speaker 1: hunted dim beachd like, I don't know, seventy properties all 291 00:18:06,064 --> 00:18:11,264 Speaker 1: over Utah. They had lambos galore. They had Bugatis. The 292 00:18:11,384 --> 00:18:15,384 Speaker 1: cars were insane, Like think about a Bugati. We're talking 293 00:18:15,424 --> 00:18:18,064 Speaker 1: about a two million dollar car. As Jacob and the 294 00:18:18,104 --> 00:18:21,104 Speaker 1: Lion are making all of this money, how did Jacob's 295 00:18:21,224 --> 00:18:23,864 Speaker 1: lifestyle change back at the Order. Well, remember when we 296 00:18:23,904 --> 00:18:26,104 Speaker 1: first met Jacob, he was living in this old, old 297 00:18:26,144 --> 00:18:29,224 Speaker 1: cabin with the rats and the snakes. He was wearing wranglers. 298 00:18:29,264 --> 00:18:31,704 Speaker 1: He had his Toyota Chursell until he got that Lambeau 299 00:18:31,864 --> 00:18:34,064 Speaker 1: as a gift from the Lion. All of a sudden, 300 00:18:34,104 --> 00:18:36,704 Speaker 1: Jacob started to believe that he was the Lion, that 301 00:18:36,864 --> 00:18:40,624 Speaker 1: he was a tough guy. He began wearing, in his words, 302 00:18:40,664 --> 00:18:44,264 Speaker 1: six hundred dollars pants, a sixty thousand dollar watch. He 303 00:18:44,464 --> 00:18:47,464 Speaker 1: was traveling the world. He was dressing like a kingpin. 304 00:18:47,984 --> 00:18:51,464 Speaker 1: He was storming around wri complaining about how the Order 305 00:18:51,544 --> 00:18:54,064 Speaker 1: was trying to take his money, saying, don't they know 306 00:18:54,784 --> 00:18:58,144 Speaker 1: I'm the Golden Goose. So Jacob is no longer like 307 00:18:58,224 --> 00:19:01,504 Speaker 1: this religious guy from the Order. He is now more 308 00:19:01,624 --> 00:19:05,984 Speaker 1: of a gangster. He is starting to look like Tony Montana, 309 00:19:06,264 --> 00:19:09,384 Speaker 1: and the Order is noticing, and they start to ask 310 00:19:10,064 --> 00:19:14,384 Speaker 1: the Kingston brothers, Isaiah and Jacob if they are donating 311 00:19:14,424 --> 00:19:17,704 Speaker 1: as much as they should in tie things to the Order, 312 00:19:17,944 --> 00:19:20,504 Speaker 1: to the Church. What's crazy about that to me is 313 00:19:20,544 --> 00:19:23,304 Speaker 1: not only he is not only is Jacob a religious guy, 314 00:19:23,504 --> 00:19:27,824 Speaker 1: but he's an engineering PhD. Like, there's nothing gangster about 315 00:19:27,824 --> 00:19:30,144 Speaker 1: that guy. He's just a nerd, right, this is Walter White. 316 00:19:30,184 --> 00:19:33,664 Speaker 1: Basically it goes to some nerdy scientist's head that he's 317 00:19:33,664 --> 00:19:36,664 Speaker 1: a gangster. Now that's exactly what happened. It's really incredible 318 00:19:36,704 --> 00:19:39,424 Speaker 1: to watch a metamorphose like this, Like this goes from 319 00:19:39,424 --> 00:19:42,944 Speaker 1: this tall, gangly, quiet dude is a little you know, 320 00:19:43,144 --> 00:19:49,144 Speaker 1: unsure of himself, to this missionic figure. Do they know 321 00:19:49,184 --> 00:19:53,664 Speaker 1: who I am? I can clean Greece? Yes? He was like, 322 00:19:54,104 --> 00:19:56,744 Speaker 1: do you know who I know? Okay? So the whole 323 00:19:56,744 --> 00:19:59,544 Speaker 1: thing kind of falls apart with an anonymous tip to 324 00:19:59,664 --> 00:20:02,304 Speaker 1: the FBI. Where does that come from? The anonymous tip 325 00:20:02,304 --> 00:20:04,904 Speaker 1: from the FBI comes from somebody who works in the 326 00:20:05,024 --> 00:20:08,504 Speaker 1: Order's bank, and she's seeing some one of the funny 327 00:20:08,544 --> 00:20:12,384 Speaker 1: money that's flowing around. She knows the rumors around the 328 00:20:12,464 --> 00:20:16,144 Speaker 1: Kingston clan that Jacob is making money hand over fist 329 00:20:16,224 --> 00:20:21,224 Speaker 1: and living like a gangster. So someone tips off Utah 330 00:20:21,384 --> 00:20:25,944 Speaker 1: officials to the cash flow. And she's doing that, probably 331 00:20:26,064 --> 00:20:29,824 Speaker 1: because she's being horribly mistreated by the Order. Right. Oh, 332 00:20:29,864 --> 00:20:33,984 Speaker 1: she wants out, She wants to leave the Order. They 333 00:20:34,024 --> 00:20:36,024 Speaker 1: want to marry her off to her uncle, who knows. 334 00:20:36,024 --> 00:20:38,704 Speaker 1: There's a million reasons why a woman in the Order 335 00:20:39,184 --> 00:20:43,104 Speaker 1: might find a way to get out, and this woman 336 00:20:43,184 --> 00:20:47,024 Speaker 1: clearly did that. The Lion has been paying dirty FBI agents. 337 00:20:47,224 --> 00:20:49,984 Speaker 1: So he finds out that they're starting this investigation into 338 00:20:49,984 --> 00:20:53,704 Speaker 1: the biofuel business. And Jacob has his own FBI informants 339 00:20:53,704 --> 00:20:55,984 Speaker 1: on his own payroll too, So they destroy a lot 340 00:20:55,984 --> 00:20:58,664 Speaker 1: of evidence, but they know that the FBI is closing 341 00:20:58,664 --> 00:21:01,224 Speaker 1: in on them. So everyone at this point is about 342 00:21:01,224 --> 00:21:04,104 Speaker 1: to get arrested. It seems clear. How does that actually 343 00:21:04,144 --> 00:21:08,184 Speaker 1: go down? So Jacob had stashed all this money in Turkey. 344 00:21:08,344 --> 00:21:10,664 Speaker 1: He told his first wife, Sally, and a couple of 345 00:21:10,664 --> 00:21:13,584 Speaker 1: their sons to meet him at the airport. They go 346 00:21:13,664 --> 00:21:18,224 Speaker 1: there and disguises. So when you have like so many children, 347 00:21:18,264 --> 00:21:20,584 Speaker 1: how do you choose which kids you want to take 348 00:21:20,584 --> 00:21:23,464 Speaker 1: with you to get out of the country. Yeah, that's 349 00:21:23,464 --> 00:21:26,144 Speaker 1: a really good question. I don't know, And especially if 350 00:21:26,184 --> 00:21:28,344 Speaker 1: you have twenty kids, how do you only pick two? 351 00:21:28,584 --> 00:21:31,744 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, fourteen kids. You just leave those 352 00:21:31,824 --> 00:21:36,064 Speaker 1: kids behind in the old cabin with the rats and snakes. 353 00:21:34,744 --> 00:21:39,904 Speaker 1: Oh so rd okay. So they're in the airport with 354 00:21:39,984 --> 00:21:44,344 Speaker 1: their disguises, so obviously there's agents everywhere. They're fanned out, 355 00:21:44,424 --> 00:21:47,224 Speaker 1: they're in playing clothes, they're waiting for Jacob. They don't 356 00:21:47,224 --> 00:21:49,664 Speaker 1: want to move in until they see Jacob. They don't 357 00:21:49,704 --> 00:21:53,584 Speaker 1: see Jacob, they panic, Oh my god, where's Jacob? And 358 00:21:53,624 --> 00:21:56,624 Speaker 1: then they realized that Jacob had flown in, so we 359 00:21:56,664 --> 00:21:59,584 Speaker 1: didn't have to go through the TSA lines. He was 360 00:21:59,664 --> 00:22:03,344 Speaker 1: waiting at the gate He was about to board the 361 00:22:03,584 --> 00:22:06,344 Speaker 1: flight to Amsterdam that would have taken him to Turkey 362 00:22:06,864 --> 00:22:09,544 Speaker 1: when they spotted him on the gateway. He had waiting 363 00:22:09,584 --> 00:22:12,704 Speaker 1: on the gateway, and they tackled him and took him down, 364 00:22:12,864 --> 00:22:14,824 Speaker 1: and took down his wife and two kids right at 365 00:22:14,824 --> 00:22:18,424 Speaker 1: the gateway. You get on that flight if you see 366 00:22:18,464 --> 00:22:21,544 Speaker 1: someone tackled right before they got on the plane. I 367 00:22:21,584 --> 00:22:23,544 Speaker 1: am not getting on that flight. You know what. I 368 00:22:23,584 --> 00:22:26,184 Speaker 1: probably wouldn't get on that flight either, No chance. I 369 00:22:26,264 --> 00:22:28,864 Speaker 1: don't know what's on that plane. No way. Okay. So 370 00:22:28,904 --> 00:22:32,104 Speaker 1: they arrest the lion, they arrest Jacob, They even arrest 371 00:22:32,184 --> 00:22:35,504 Speaker 1: Jacob's brother Isaiah, who's involved in the scheme, and they 372 00:22:35,544 --> 00:22:38,864 Speaker 1: throw all of them into the same jail in Utah. 373 00:22:38,864 --> 00:22:42,984 Speaker 1: Which that's got to be tense. It's very tense. Jacob 374 00:22:43,024 --> 00:22:48,144 Speaker 1: described it this way. The lion growled at him, look 375 00:22:48,144 --> 00:22:50,744 Speaker 1: at what you did. You took us all down, and 376 00:22:50,944 --> 00:22:55,144 Speaker 1: Jacob finally spoke back. He claims he said, you ruin 377 00:22:55,304 --> 00:22:59,104 Speaker 1: my life. And then he turned to Isaiah and said, 378 00:22:59,104 --> 00:23:02,344 Speaker 1: how much money is left? And that's when they realized 379 00:23:02,704 --> 00:23:06,384 Speaker 1: none zero, one hundred and thirty three million stash in 380 00:23:06,664 --> 00:23:10,024 Speaker 1: Turkey was going to be seized by the government. Everything 381 00:23:10,024 --> 00:23:14,784 Speaker 1: else had been spent, and they were broke, broke enough 382 00:23:14,824 --> 00:23:17,744 Speaker 1: that they had to hire one of their dad's wives 383 00:23:17,824 --> 00:23:20,464 Speaker 1: to be their initial lawyer. When you have to hire 384 00:23:20,504 --> 00:23:23,544 Speaker 1: one of your dad's wives as your lawyer, you know 385 00:23:23,824 --> 00:23:27,504 Speaker 1: things aren't going well. That's thanks. Yeah, But Jacob wasn't 386 00:23:27,544 --> 00:23:31,064 Speaker 1: going to testify against the Lion, right not initially, it 387 00:23:31,104 --> 00:23:34,224 Speaker 1: doesn't appear that Jacob was going to testify. But then 388 00:23:34,664 --> 00:23:36,904 Speaker 1: there were some reports that were moving around the jail. 389 00:23:37,464 --> 00:23:40,344 Speaker 1: The Lion was going to be abruptly transferred to a 390 00:23:40,424 --> 00:23:43,544 Speaker 1: worse jail than the one he was in and to 391 00:23:43,664 --> 00:23:46,544 Speaker 1: the Salt Lake County Metro Center, which is like the 392 00:23:46,664 --> 00:23:51,064 Speaker 1: Dumpy Jail. And there was a reason, and the reason 393 00:23:51,264 --> 00:23:56,584 Speaker 1: that was written about and jail records was Hannah. So 394 00:23:56,664 --> 00:23:59,744 Speaker 1: remember Hannah, the third wife. I can't keep track of 395 00:23:59,744 --> 00:24:01,464 Speaker 1: all the wives. That is a ridiculous thing to ask 396 00:24:01,504 --> 00:24:03,704 Speaker 1: for me. Well, you're actolutely right. But Hannah was the 397 00:24:03,824 --> 00:24:06,344 Speaker 1: young hot wife. Yes, she was the young hot wife 398 00:24:06,704 --> 00:24:09,424 Speaker 1: that he got after he started making money. Then Paul 399 00:24:09,504 --> 00:24:12,144 Speaker 1: gives you the young hut wife. So the young hut 400 00:24:12,144 --> 00:24:14,824 Speaker 1: wife had gone on one of the many, many vacations 401 00:24:14,864 --> 00:24:17,424 Speaker 1: that Jacob and the Lion had taken together to go 402 00:24:17,464 --> 00:24:22,864 Speaker 1: to Turkey and Istanbul. And apparently sparks flew because now 403 00:24:23,024 --> 00:24:27,024 Speaker 1: they're all in the same jail. But officials at the 404 00:24:27,064 --> 00:24:30,504 Speaker 1: facility were like, hold on a minute. This Hannah Tucker, 405 00:24:30,624 --> 00:24:35,904 Speaker 1: she's visiting the Lion. At first they were alarmed that 406 00:24:35,984 --> 00:24:38,144 Speaker 1: she might have been delivering messages like they were trying 407 00:24:38,144 --> 00:24:41,424 Speaker 1: to communicate. Yeah, but no, no, no, turns out that 408 00:24:41,504 --> 00:24:43,864 Speaker 1: they were plotting to run away together. Oh, she was 409 00:24:43,904 --> 00:24:47,304 Speaker 1: delivering a message, all right, she was, Hey, dl that 410 00:24:47,464 --> 00:24:53,424 Speaker 1: was a message. So Jacob, who's I guess been one 411 00:24:53,504 --> 00:24:58,424 Speaker 1: third cuckholded by the lion, is now does he turn 412 00:24:58,504 --> 00:25:01,944 Speaker 1: on him? You can draw a conclusion that perhaps Jacob's 413 00:25:02,024 --> 00:25:06,264 Speaker 1: tune changed with the government when he realized you don't 414 00:25:06,304 --> 00:25:08,984 Speaker 1: steal one of a man's wives, you know, I mean, 415 00:25:09,304 --> 00:25:11,944 Speaker 1: especially the young one. Yeah, it's okay, to steal the 416 00:25:11,984 --> 00:25:14,664 Speaker 1: older one. Well, I guess in the order, look, the 417 00:25:14,744 --> 00:25:18,024 Speaker 1: younger the better in the order. So because of this betrayal, 418 00:25:18,544 --> 00:25:22,304 Speaker 1: Jacob testifies against the Lion, and then what happens to Jacob. 419 00:25:23,064 --> 00:25:26,904 Speaker 1: Jacob got his come upance too, because somehow Jacob Kingston 420 00:25:27,784 --> 00:25:31,744 Speaker 1: was transferred into a cell where his bunkie was a 421 00:25:31,824 --> 00:25:34,824 Speaker 1: confirmed Satan worshipper who liked to read aloud from the 422 00:25:34,904 --> 00:25:39,384 Speaker 1: Satanic Bible. That's not an accident. That's on purpose, right. 423 00:25:41,424 --> 00:25:45,064 Speaker 1: It is religious, you know, because suddenly Jacob is no 424 00:25:45,184 --> 00:25:48,144 Speaker 1: longer the Walter wide to bio fuel, and now he's 425 00:25:48,224 --> 00:25:53,664 Speaker 1: doctor Jacob Kingston, the pious member of this long standing 426 00:25:53,744 --> 00:25:58,024 Speaker 1: church community. That's hilarious. It's probably aren't that many Satanist. 427 00:25:58,024 --> 00:25:59,344 Speaker 1: They probably had to dig him out of some other 428 00:25:59,344 --> 00:26:02,304 Speaker 1: state and bring him in. All this is still playing 429 00:26:02,344 --> 00:26:06,064 Speaker 1: out in court. The Lion is on trial, Jacob's on trial. 430 00:26:06,384 --> 00:26:09,224 Speaker 1: The dirty FBI agent who was on the lion Its 431 00:26:09,264 --> 00:26:11,744 Speaker 1: payroll is on trial, and it's going to take a 432 00:26:11,784 --> 00:26:14,064 Speaker 1: long time for this to work its way through the court. 433 00:26:15,104 --> 00:26:17,744 Speaker 1: The Mobster in the Mormon was written by Michelle McPhee 434 00:26:17,784 --> 00:26:20,584 Speaker 1: and it's in the November issue of Los Angeles Magazine. 435 00:26:21,024 --> 00:26:24,784 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Michelle. The story is fantastic and 436 00:26:24,944 --> 00:26:26,944 Speaker 1: it's something only you could have written. That's what I 437 00:26:27,024 --> 00:26:29,904 Speaker 1: love about it. I'm just I'm glad there's still reporters 438 00:26:29,944 --> 00:26:32,544 Speaker 1: like you who I feel like could easily beat me up. 439 00:26:33,384 --> 00:26:35,264 Speaker 1: Ah well, thank you. I'm going to actually take that 440 00:26:35,344 --> 00:26:36,904 Speaker 1: as a compliment, but I would never beat you up. 441 00:26:37,624 --> 00:26:40,784 Speaker 1: This whole story just reminds me of how lucky I am. 442 00:26:40,904 --> 00:26:43,504 Speaker 1: I have one sister and she's great, but I couldn't 443 00:26:43,544 --> 00:26:47,584 Speaker 1: imagine one hundred and twenty seven of her three wives. 444 00:26:48,024 --> 00:26:50,064 Speaker 1: You know how many times a day I disappoint one 445 00:26:50,064 --> 00:26:55,904 Speaker 1: wife getting a graduate degree in engineering. It all sounds miserable. 446 00:26:56,784 --> 00:27:00,384 Speaker 1: I can't imagine I'd want a Bugatti that badly, even 447 00:27:00,464 --> 00:27:06,144 Speaker 1: once I find out what a Bugatti is. At the 448 00:27:06,304 --> 00:27:09,104 Speaker 1: end of the show, what's next for Joel Stunt? And 449 00:27:09,264 --> 00:27:13,344 Speaker 1: maybe he'll take a nap? Voc around online. Our show 450 00:27:13,344 --> 00:27:16,864 Speaker 1: Today was produced by Kate mcculiffe and nishaven Cut. It 451 00:27:16,944 --> 00:27:21,224 Speaker 1: was edited by Robert Smith. Our engineer is Amanda kay 452 00:27:21,264 --> 00:27:26,064 Speaker 1: Wang and our executive producer is Katherine Siradol and our 453 00:27:26,104 --> 00:27:29,264 Speaker 1: theme song was written and performed by Jonathan Colton and 454 00:27:29,344 --> 00:27:32,144 Speaker 1: a special thanks to my voice coach Vicky Merrick and 455 00:27:32,264 --> 00:27:36,424 Speaker 1: my consulting producer laurenz Elasnick. To find more Pushkin podcast 456 00:27:36,864 --> 00:27:40,704 Speaker 1: listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 457 00:27:40,744 --> 00:27:44,024 Speaker 1: listen to your podcasts. I'm Joel Stein and this is 458 00:27:44,024 --> 00:27:47,504 Speaker 1: the Story of the Week. Lee Bacco is the sheriff 459 00:27:47,544 --> 00:27:51,104 Speaker 1: of la who was super corrupt. Right, well, I know 460 00:27:51,184 --> 00:27:54,824 Speaker 1: he went to prison. Yeah, I walked into Barbara Streisan's 461 00:27:54,864 --> 00:27:57,344 Speaker 1: house and she had his number on, like speed dial 462 00:27:57,464 --> 00:28:01,264 Speaker 1: is number one? You're kidding me? No, Yeah, I'll always 463 00:28:01,264 --> 00:28:06,624 Speaker 1: remember that. We can't accuse Barbara Streisan anything on this podcast. 464 00:28:06,744 --> 00:28:09,984 Speaker 1: My mom would kill me. What I'm put to have 465 00:28:10,024 --> 00:28:11,824 Speaker 1: a hot attack? She would hate it if we said 466 00:28:11,864 --> 00:28:16,144 Speaker 1: anything bad about Barbara coming up on Story of the Week. 467 00:28:16,744 --> 00:28:18,464 Speaker 1: And this is a big part of what attracted you 468 00:28:18,504 --> 00:28:20,344 Speaker 1: to her. Right, You're like, oh, are you kidding me? 469 00:28:20,424 --> 00:28:22,584 Speaker 1: I mean that's hot, right, tell me that's not hot totally. 470 00:28:22,864 --> 00:28:27,344 Speaker 1: What a specific fetish you have white savors? Yeah, it's 471 00:28:27,424 --> 00:28:30,304 Speaker 1: weird white savior fetish. I'm just starting to realize that 472 00:28:30,384 --> 00:28:32,904 Speaker 1: in feat there's no porn heub channel for that at all. Yes, 473 00:28:34,664 --> 00:28:36,984 Speaker 1: although are we sure about that