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Speaker 1: take it to a bank. Together, we will make America

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Speaker 1: great again. Shard. It's what you've been waiting for all day.

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton with America now joined the conversation called Buck

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Speaker 1: strong voice, Buck Sexton, Welcome back, everybody. Great to have

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Speaker 1: Much to discuss here on this uh scorching Monday in

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Speaker 1: for guys who are and you know, just blaming guys,

429
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Speaker 1: guys and girls, but for people who are prosecutors and

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Speaker 1: major major cities, you know, I gotta sugar tough on

431
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: that white collar crime. Yeah, because your your kids aren't

432
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Speaker 1: safe in the playground as long as there are people

433
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Speaker 1: who are engaged in uh what could be construed under

434
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Speaker 1: some circumstances as an insider trade, but under others may

435
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: just be good information. Right, I don't think that's keeping

436
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: you up at night. And a lot of that can

437
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Speaker 1: be handled by the civil regulatory bodies that police this stuff,

438
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: and you know, it should be usually dealt with via

439
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: fines and and often is, But not with not with

440
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: Martha Stewart, done with not with comy making the calls.

441
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: And I'm not even familiar with the anthrax case in detail,

442
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: and that's something I'm gonna be reading up on this week.

443
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: But I also have colleagues who are saying that Comey

444
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: is handling of that was appalling. Um. And I look

445
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: at this. I look at this as a situation where

446
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: we see that we have politicians as prosecutors. It's one

447
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: of the scariest things you can have in a country.

448
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: And what better evidence can I give you of this

449
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: than just listen to how different the various people who

450
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Speaker 1: would know. Listen to the differences in their assessments of

451
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: what's going on here with Trump and and whether there's

452
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: been obstruction or not, and whether Comey did is okay

453
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Speaker 1: or not. I mean, first of all, let's let's talk

454
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Speaker 1: about obstruction. Uh, here's pretty but u Bihara Bahara? Um?

455
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: I thought it was bro I was good this this

456
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: guy's name? Am I getting his name wrong? Here? Barra?

457
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: It's Barrara. It was written here Barhara. Oh No it wasn't.

458
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: I just read it wrong. No, it was ill or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Barrara is his name. People always say, people say Bahara,

460
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: but they get his name wrong. On TV all the time,

461
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: I see legal analysts that keep saying, you know, they

462
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: can't get his name right. It's Barrara. Um. But he

463
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: said that there's clearly an obstruction. Now that this is

464
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: a guy. For those who don't know who was fired

465
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Speaker 1: by Trump, he had Comey's old job Southern District of

466
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Speaker 1: New York U S Attorney for the Southern District of

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Speaker 1: New York. By the way, what do you think uh

468
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Speaker 1: Bararra was trying to make his name on. Oh, that's right,

469
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: big white collar Wall Street prosecutions, real popular Occupy Wall

470
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Speaker 1: Street kind of stuff. I gotta show them that those

471
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: are the real dangerous to society. Um. But here's what

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00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: he said about whether they should have investigated for obstruction

473
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Speaker 1: or justice. I think there's absolutely evidence to begin a case.

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00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: I think it's very important for all sorts of armchair

475
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: speculators in the law to be clear that no one

476
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: knows right now whether there is a provable case of obstruction.

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Speaker 1: It's also true I think from based on what I

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Speaker 1: see as a third party and out of government, that

479
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: there's no basis to say there's no obstruction, absolutely evidence

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00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: to investigate Trump for obstruction. You've got other people like

481
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: Alan Derschwert saying that there's no case for obstruction. Now.

482
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: There could always be new evidence to create a new

483
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Speaker 1: case for anything. Right, we can only base it on

484
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,479
Speaker 1: what we know so far. So to say that we

485
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 1: don't know because we don't we haven't found the evidence

486
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: yet is to say that you're just that everyone sits

487
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: around with the borrow from Greek mythology the sword of

488
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: Damocles hanging over his or her head. Yeah, anybody could

489
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Speaker 1: be prosecuted at any point in the future for anything, right,

490
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Speaker 1: But if no evidence exists yet, we leave people alone

491
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Speaker 1: to say that, well, there's no evidence that Trump did

492
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: anything wrong based on what we've seen so far. But

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00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: let's keep looking to see if we find evidence. That's

494
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: not the way this is supposed to work. Right, there's

495
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: there should be probable cause or at least reasonable suspicion.

496
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: We've got nothing. We've got nothing right now. But then

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Speaker 1: we get to the COMI league. By the way, and

498
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: here's formercy I director Jim Woolsey and his take on

499
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Speaker 1: the COMBM. COMI told The New York told someone to

500
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: tell The New York Times about his memos about his

501
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: meeting with Trump to set the ground before his testimony

502
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Speaker 1: to hurt Trump. Okay, here is what and by the way,

503
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: to call it a leak is accurate because it was

504
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Speaker 1: not authorized by the FBI. It's not necessarily a criminal

505
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Speaker 1: classified leak. I understand that. But here's what wolves he

506
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Speaker 1: had to say about this. I find it amazing that

507
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Speaker 1: he would take de tailed notes of a meeting with

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Speaker 1: the president and then leaked them to a friend who's

509
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: at at I think Columbia Law school. Uh, and then

510
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: have them give them to the press. A private citizen

511
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: is allowed to share his notes, Uh, you know, in

512
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Speaker 1: a conversation with any government official with a friend with

513
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Speaker 1: the press. That's leaking involves disclosing classified government information in

514
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Speaker 1: an authoris way. As you well known having been the

515
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: director of the CIA, not all leaks have to be classified.

516
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: There are a number of things that are extremely sensitive

517
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Speaker 1: without meaning the technical requirements for classification. And I just

518
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: found it stunning that he would, I think, uh, give

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Speaker 1: up the secrecy of a conversation with the president United States.

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00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: I've worked for for presidents in different capacities and uh

521
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: not everything you've talked to them about is classified. Yeah,

522
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: But you see the point he's making there. It's one

523
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: that I made last week. Who can the president trust? Now?

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Speaker 1: What about the ethical obligation of someone to the president

525
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: of the United States not to share publicly the discussions

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Speaker 1: that are had with the president. I mean, they're supposed

527
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Speaker 1: to be some level of Now that the President did

528
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: not exert executive privilege over this, but if he had,

529
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: we all know the media would have lost their minds.

530
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: But they're supposed to be some sent that the president

531
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Speaker 1: can seek counsel and seek the wisdom of others without

532
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: the concern that whatever he says or asks is going

533
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: to get blasted out for the entirety of the world.

534
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: You know, this does put the President and therefore the U. S.

535
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Speaker 1: Government and therefore the American people at a disadvantage. There's

536
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: a real cost to this, so Comy acting in this manner.

537
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: By the way, I think that's why everyone all of

538
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: a sudden realize this guy is very political and all

539
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: the stuff to the contrary's nonsense. Um. And that's also

540
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: why people are looking into his background and finding wow,

541
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: this he's He is the prosecutor that gets me angry.

542
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: He's the prosecutor that when there's no harm and no

543
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: foul and no ill intent even still decides to make

544
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: an example of people. That's the worst kind. Um. But

545
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: you have others, of course, who will say that Comy

546
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: is great. Comy is amazing because it helps they're partisan

547
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: back and forth. It's he's a useful partisan weapon right now.

548
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: So you have Deputy d n C Chair Keith Ellison,

549
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: for example, Oh yeah, Keith Ellison, here we go clip

550
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: that question whether the use of the term leak is appropriate?

551
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: Called me as a whistle blower, a whistleblower. How he

552
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: could have said it before the Senate. Instead he decided

553
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: to give it to the media. So what are we

554
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: to make of that? He did it for obviously political reasons. Um,

555
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: and he got what he said he wanted, which was

556
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: an investigation. Do you think let me I'll leave you

557
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: with this question before we go to break, and then

558
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: we'll talk a little more about this in the side

559
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna get into whole bunch of other stuff.

560
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: Do you you know Sessions testimony tomorrow. I gotta talk

561
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: to you about, uh, the Pride parade running into a

562
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter protest over the weekend. Also this play

563
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: in Central Park, Shakespeare in the Park in New York

564
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: City that has a a mock I mean, it's a

565
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: mock assassination of the president on what else to call it?

566
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: Under the guise of it being Julius Caesar, but he's

567
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: dressed up as Donald Trump. So we've got a lot

568
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: of other things to hit today on the show. But

569
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Speaker 1: let me ask you, do you think that Comy wanted

570
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: a special counsel because he cares so much about the

571
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: American people hearing the truth? Or did call me want

572
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: a special counsel? That did he move as biz own

573
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: a mission to get a special counsel because he knew

574
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: it would hurt Trump and he hates his administration and

575
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: he's just a Democrat with you know, FBI credentials. That's

576
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: the question I'll leave you with, will be right back.

577
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: I remember I was always very thankful that Megan Kelly

578
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: used to have me on early on in my career,

579
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: had me on her show on Fox and regular basis.

580
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: And now she's over at at NBC and she's interviewing

581
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: Alex Jones on what is It? The eighteen? We're gonna

582
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: have to have to get some of the preview audio

583
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Speaker 1: of this because mr Mr Mr Jones is, as I'm

584
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: sure many of are were, quite the character. He doesn't

585
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: like Bucks actually, I mean he thinks Bucks actually is

586
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: the government c I plant trying to just take over media.

587
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: You know, build the Berg's Illuminati. Um, he is quite

588
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: a character, and I do remember his his back and

589
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: forth with Piers Morgan for Morgan's like, but but why

590
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: don't we just ban all guns? I've got I've got

591
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: an idea. Why did we just get get rid of

592
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: all fire arms? And Alex Morgan, I mean, sorry, Alex Morgan,

593
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: Piers Morgan, Alex Jones, Um, Piers Morrigan is all I'm sorry.

594
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: Alex Jones is all like, you know, what what what?

595
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: What don't you understand? You know, seventeen seventy six will

596
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: happen again. I mean he just goes off into another

597
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: stratus fear Um. So there we have it. Uh, it

598
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: is going to be an interesting interview. I am pretty

599
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: sure I know the Putin interview. I didn't see it,

600
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: which maybe I should. I don't find interviews as as

601
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: fascinating as some other people do. When it comes to

602
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: these big name interviews that happened, I feel like Putin

603
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: knows exactly what he knows. He's gonna give exactly the

604
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: answer he's gonna give no matter what. There's no pushing him.

605
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: First of all, he's going through a translator. So what

606
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: are you gonna do. You're gonna like argue with like

607
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: you know, Uri or Olga or wherever they know the

608
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: translator is. I mean, you know, arguing through a translator's

609
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: kind of a tough thing to do in the first place, right,

610
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: I mean, um, that's so you start with that, and

611
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: uh from there, I just think it's an interesting uh.

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00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: You know, people think that there's all this artistry to

613
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Speaker 1: the interview. Yeah, they're good in good interviewers and they're

614
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: bad And I'm just think pictures in my head, like

615
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: you know, getting really getting really hostile with the translator,

616
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: Like how dare you? So He's like, you know, I'm

617
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: just the mess Jordan, I'm the one stund thing. You're

618
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: making good translation? And how dare you? You're a pressure

619
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 1: of politics every You can't really if you're not speaking

620
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: the same language. I think it's really hard to like

621
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: corner somebody, uh in an interview. But anyway, UM, we'll

622
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: see how this goes. But I wanna play something. I

623
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: don't have the audio for you now. We'll have some

624
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: tomorrow and maybe one day I'll play for you. You know,

625
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: I was just like a little website writer at the Blaze,

626
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: just you know, just trying to make ends meet. It's

627
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: trying to get in this media game. Do my thing,

628
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: spread some freedom, tell some stories, tell some truth. This

629
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: guy was all like Eries. I've seen him before. I've

630
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: seen that smoke, that smug secure, self satisfied. Looks like

631
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: I wish I was smugget self satisfied. But anyway, you know,

632
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: he is the government like I wish man. The government

633
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: doesn't even I even you know, been a part of

634
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: the government a long time. Government doesn't know me, and

635
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,959
Speaker 1: I don't know the government. Mr Jones. Interesting stuff. Maybe

636
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: we'll get Maybe we'll get him on the show one day.

637
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: That would be quite it would be quite a fiasco

638
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: if we can make that happen. But Megan Kelly, who

639
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: knew she'd go for this, is a second, second, big

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Speaker 1: inter option. I'm sure we'll have some fun with the

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Speaker 1: Alex Jones interview after it happens. That audio will be great.

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Speaker 1: We've got a lot more, including Ben Shapiro coming up

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Speaker 1: here in just a few Welcome back to the Freedom

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Speaker 1: Hut on an island of liberty where you're the party

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Speaker 1: and it's full of fellow patriots. Buck Sexton kicks it off.

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Speaker 1: We've got Ben Shapiro on the line. He is editor

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Speaker 1: in chief of Daily wire dot Com, syndicated columnist, host

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Speaker 1: of The Ben Shapiro Show, and he also writes for

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Speaker 1: National Review. Ben, great to have you back first if

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Speaker 1: I could. What do you think about all of the

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Speaker 1: information that is being unearthed about Comey? Uh? He seems

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Speaker 1: to be a guy who has a long history of

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Speaker 1: some very dubious prosecutorial judgment, especially when it comes to

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Speaker 1: obstruction of justice. Yeah, there's no downside. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: they if they impetue Trump in teen, they figured that

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Speaker 1: they get to run against him in twenty. And it's

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Speaker 1: not the same thing as Clinton, who was in his

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Speaker 1: second term when he was impeached. He's in his first term.

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Speaker 1: His approval ratings in the thirties, and they're gonna be running,

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Speaker 1: you know, some far left radical against him. So it's

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Speaker 1: important to continue to drive his approval rating down. Plus,

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Speaker 1: they don't have to take the hit of making Penn's

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Speaker 1: president because presumably the Republicans are going to keep the Senate.

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Speaker 1: Even if they don't, they don't have sixty votes in

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Speaker 1: the Senate to actually get rid of them, So it's

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Speaker 1: it's actually a no lose proposition for them to impeach

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Speaker 1: Trump if they win the House back. So that's why,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think that Trump's counter strategy here has

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Speaker 1: been pretty bad. I think, you know, put aside, called

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Speaker 1: me for a second. Who I think is is just

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Speaker 1: always been an egregious player. I thought he should have

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Speaker 1: been fired in June. I thought he should have been fired.

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Speaker 1: In October. I thought he should have been fired in January.

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Speaker 1: I thought it should have been fired in May. I

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Speaker 1: think he should always be fired. But put aside, coming

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Speaker 1: for a second, the way that you played this. If

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Speaker 1: your Trump is your rely on the supposed veracity of

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Speaker 1: James Comey to to get rid of all the Trump

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Speaker 1: Russia collusion stuff, then say, listen, I'm Donald Trump. I

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Speaker 1: say stuff Sometimes I just say stuff. And and Comey

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Speaker 1: didn't take me seriously enough to kill the Flint investing aation.

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Speaker 1: So he's saying he took it as a directive. That's

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Speaker 1: obviously not true. If he's taken as a directive, presumably

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Speaker 1: he would have quit, or he would have killed the COMA,

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Speaker 1: killed the the the Quinn investigation. He didn't. So basically

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Speaker 1: what happened here is I was saying stuff. I say

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. I'm a passionate guy. It annoys

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Speaker 1: me that my friend Mike Flynn is under investigation. I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna make any secret of that. But did I

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Speaker 1: try to obstruct? No? I didn't try to obstruct. And

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Speaker 1: James Coleby is incompetent and that's why I got rid

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Speaker 1: of him. Also, your piece here on or the v

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Speaker 1: piece on Daily wire dot com. Democrats hypocrisy on Laretta

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Speaker 1: Lynch's election interference is stunning. Totally agree. And I have

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Speaker 1: to say ben for for those who start to get

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Speaker 1: frustrated with the Trump administration who are supportive of it,

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Speaker 1: but are like, why why do you guys? You know,

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Speaker 1: why are you making this mistake? Why do you make

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Speaker 1: that mistake? And and want other people on the right

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Speaker 1: or other people under Trump's very big and broad tent

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Speaker 1: to be willing to admit Trump mistakes. This kind of

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Speaker 1: thing with Loretta Lynch just just ira when when the

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Speaker 1: media acts like that's no big deal, I feel like

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Speaker 1: now we're just at pure tribalism. Yeah, I totally agree.

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Speaker 1: I said this on my own show this morning, that

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Speaker 1: that basically, if you think Laretta Lynch is great, but

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Speaker 1: Trump stinks, and on on the Larettao Lynch intimidating Comy issue,

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Speaker 1: or if you think that Trump is great but Larella

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Speaker 1: Loretta Lynch stinks, then you're a tribalist. If you think

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Speaker 1: both of them stink or neither of them stink, I

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Speaker 1: think you're consistent. So you know, the fact is that

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Speaker 1: Laretta Lynch said to James Comy that she wanted him

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Speaker 1: to treat the investigation as a quote unquote matter. He

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Speaker 1: said it made him feel queasy and uncomfortable. Again, I

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Speaker 1: think this goes to Comy's judgment because Comy then proceeded

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Speaker 1: to actually do what Lynch wanted. He actually called it

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Speaker 1: a matter. He ended up killing the investigation himself and

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Speaker 1: or protects Lynch, which which does go to his credibility

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Speaker 1: and his political biases. But the bottom line is that

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Speaker 1: the Democrats who are pushing this off and saying it's

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Speaker 1: not really a big deal, I have the same Democrats

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Speaker 1: of co are saying that it's the hugest deal in

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Speaker 1: the world. That Trump said what he said to call mey.

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Speaker 1: The only difference is that Trump actually has the authority

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Speaker 1: to say that to call me whereas Laretta Lynch presumably didn't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, she's the attorney general and he's the FBI director,

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Speaker 1: but they're not. It's not like the attorney general can

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Speaker 1: fire the FBI director. Only the president can do that.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's war actually coming from Lynch than it

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Speaker 1: is from Trump in in a certain in a certain

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Speaker 1: chain of command kind of way. So again, I think

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Speaker 1: that one of the things that's been so terrible about

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years has really exposed a lot

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Speaker 1: of people on every side of the aisle that they

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Speaker 1: don't really have a consistent standard. The standard just changes

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Speaker 1: depending on the whether there's an R and D after

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Speaker 1: the person's name who's sinned. We're talking to Ben Shapiro.

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Speaker 1: He's editor in chief of Daily Wire dot Com and

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Speaker 1: a syndicated commas also host of The Ben Shapiro Show. Um,

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Speaker 1: Ben Tomorrow's Sessions is testifying before the Senate open hearing. Uh,

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Speaker 1: what are your expectations and what should we be looking for? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think the Sessions is smart to do it open

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Speaker 1: like that. That was one of the questions, was gonna

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Speaker 1: do it behind closed doors? As soon as I heard

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Speaker 1: closed doors, I thought this is really done. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you do it openly, because that way you don't get

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Speaker 1: Democrats to leak out what you said anything and twisted

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Speaker 1: to their own, you know, perverse point of view. So

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Speaker 1: I think Sessions will do the job. I think Sessions

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Speaker 1: will probably say something like, you know, I didn't think

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Speaker 1: it was a big deal as a senator for me

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Speaker 1: to meet with the Russian ambassador a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: Everybody in this room his basically done it. Uh And

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Speaker 1: for you to claim otherwise is really just a gotcha game.

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Speaker 1: There's no evidence of collusion. I didn't clude with Russia.

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Speaker 1: I recused myself to avoid the appearance of corruption. So

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Speaker 1: if you're that worried about it that, I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: why you're upset with me. Uh. And as far as

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Speaker 1: the as far as the Comey remarks that there's other

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Speaker 1: reasons why, I don't know. I don't have the Saint

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Speaker 1: Tocidio what he's talking about. You know. I think it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a wildly disappointing day for Democrats. I think

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Speaker 1: they'll get their rocks off by having some Democrats asked

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Speaker 1: nasty questions to Sessions. But Sessions have been through this,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's been on the other end of it,

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Speaker 1: So I don't. I don't think it's going to be

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Speaker 1: quite the same thing as if God forbid, Trump got

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Speaker 1: in front of the Senate Committee. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: the biggest political booboo of the last week is Trump

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Speaker 1: going out in front of the media and saying that

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Speaker 1: he'd be happy to go under oath. And and that's

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Speaker 1: just come on. I refused to believe that he would

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Speaker 1: do that. I I know he don't. I know he's

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Speaker 1: a maverick and all that. I refused to believe he

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Speaker 1: would do that. No, I mean I think that they

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Speaker 1: would legitimately. I think that that Sessions and Pence would

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Speaker 1: legitimately go to the home depot by every role of

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Speaker 1: duct tape that could find and duct take to him

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Speaker 1: to his care before they alloft need to do that.

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Speaker 1: His lawyer's castle, it would chain him down in the

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Speaker 1: basement of the White House before he allowed Trump to

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Speaker 1: do that. I mean that any lawyer with it with

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Speaker 1: his head on straight, would never allow your client to

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Speaker 1: voluntarily go under, especially if he's the President of the

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Speaker 1: United States and the Democrats are looking to hang a

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Speaker 1: perjury charge on him. I mean, it's just it's asinine,

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Speaker 1: and this is the biggest problem for Trump. Trump is

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Speaker 1: Trumps biggest problem is Trump not not to say the

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Speaker 1: media aren't a huge problem. They aren't liars, and they

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Speaker 1: are attempting to twist these stories. They obviously are not

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Speaker 1: to say that that the Democrats are not attempting to

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Speaker 1: cry to craft the narrative that isn't there. But this

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Speaker 1: last week could have been actually pretty good for Trump

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Speaker 1: if he had political savvy. And the reason he want

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Speaker 1: is not because he had political savvy. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think this is one of the great myths of the

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Speaker 1: last election cycle. Didn't win because he had political savvy

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Speaker 1: he had He won because he has a gut level

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Speaker 1: understanding of what the American people feel. And I think

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Speaker 1: that that's something that he can go back to. But

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Speaker 1: that does not necessarily translate into he's his own best lawyer.

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Speaker 1: I mean, no one is their own best lawyer. For

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Speaker 1: God's sake, I don't. I don't lawyer, lawyer lawyer. If

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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't represent myself and negotiy Asians because

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Speaker 1: it's a mistake. So it's again, I just think that

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Speaker 1: Trump's best bet here would have been to say, listen,

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Speaker 1: you all know me. I have a passionate guy, a

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Speaker 1: passionate thing. And everybody's taking this too seriously, taking it

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Speaker 1: too seriously. You know, this is just democrats out to

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Speaker 1: get me. And you can see that from the Trump

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Speaker 1: Russia stuff which completely collapse. Yeah. I was gonna ask

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Speaker 1: you about that next. I don't see how people who

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Speaker 1: are trying to cling to any pretense of honesty for

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Speaker 1: most of the major TV news networks and and the

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Speaker 1: various major newspaper rooms across a newspaper newsrooms across the country. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they're having to retract stories they had called me say

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Speaker 1: that one major New York Times story was mostly wrong. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And and yet there doesn't seem to be any any humility.

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Speaker 1: We have just gone as surely as night turns intoday

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Speaker 1: from Trump colluded with Russia to throw the election too,

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Speaker 1: We're going to get him on obstruction. Well what about

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Speaker 1: all those months of the collusion stuff and you're meeting

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Speaker 1: with with shady Russians and and the sanctity of democracy

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Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Oh yeah, I mean the pivot

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Speaker 1: was absolutely astounding. And what wasn't particularly shocking because once

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Speaker 1: they have its terrier with its with its teeth, and

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Speaker 1: Trump's leg once they've got him, they're never gonna let

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Speaker 1: it go. But again, the Trump Russia stuff absolutely collapsed

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Speaker 1: in front of them. The only plausible case for anything

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Speaker 1: at this point, like if you're if you're still on

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Speaker 1: the Trump Russia conspiracy theory bandwagon, the only plausible case

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Speaker 1: for anything at this point is basically that Mike Flynn

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Speaker 1: or Paul Manafort did something to Feriats or Carr Page,

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Speaker 1: that they didn't tell Trump about it, and that Trump

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Speaker 1: doesn't know about it, but he should have known about

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Speaker 1: it because it used the head of the campaign. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's that's probably the best case that Democrats are gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to come up with, and that assumes et facts,

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Speaker 1: not an evidence, or that assumes that that Flynn actually

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Speaker 1: was working with the Russians to to mess around the campaign,

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Speaker 1: or that Manaport was, And even if they were both

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Speaker 1: in the pocket of the Russians, there's no evidence that

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Speaker 1: there that they actually did anything with regard to the campaign.

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Speaker 1: So nobody would care. Ben I mean that scenario're talking about.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Democrats would try to make a big

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Speaker 1: deal out of it, but Trump voters wouldn't say, well,

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't have voted for and because of that weird

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Speaker 1: conversation Manafort again theoretically allegedly or what not allegedly theoretically

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Speaker 1: may have had. I don't think that will make a

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Speaker 1: difference to anyone. No, I don'tly don't make a difference

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Speaker 1: to Trump voters. I do think that we have to

852
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: get a little bit out of this bubble of what

853
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: will make a difference to Trump voters versus what will

854
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: make a difference to Hillary voters, because again, we had

855
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: two of the most unpopular candidates in human history running

856
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: against each other in I mean, maybe they'll run somebody

857
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: just as unpopular as Hillary, but I'm not sure such

858
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: a person exists. I mean, we almost kind of trac

859
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: Hillory from our imaginations to come up with somebody's unlikable.

860
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: So it's it's so, you know, I think that I

861
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: don't want to write off the fact that this is

862
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: having some bad impact. All of this on on Trump's administration.

863
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: Means down to the mid thirties in terms of his

864
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: approval rating overall, and that's not great for him. But

865
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: is this unsalvagable though, I don't think it's unsalvagable. I

866
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: think that if if he's able to get a piece

867
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: of health care legislation, even if not something you or

868
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: I would necessarily love, that'll be good for him. If

869
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: he's able to get tax reform, that'll be great for him.

870
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: If he's able to if he's able to press through

871
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: his infrastructure bill, which you know I think stinks, but

872
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: but he needs as a win, and he's able to

873
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: do some stuff, and the economy continues to be good,

874
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: then it's not a foregone conclusion everything goes horribly in

875
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: The Democrats have basically been one and they're using the

876
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: trident through strategy of just bashed the president until he bleeds,

877
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: and that that's basically what parties do in they're out

878
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: of power. I mean this idea that we have on

879
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: the right that we've adopted almost to be adopted from

880
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: the left. Actually, this idea on the right that we

881
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: adopted it. Oh, well, it's not enough to just be obstructionist.

882
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: It's not enough to say no to the president. Well

883
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: it was good enough Republicans in teens. I don't do

884
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: why I should be bad and it shouldn't work for

885
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: Democrats and so yes, this is all part of a

886
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: strategic game. It's really kind of gross. To watch. But

887
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: unfortunately that's the way this this game has played. Ben

888
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: Shapiro is editor in chief of Daily Wire dot Com.

889
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: Check out his show, The Ben Shapiro Show. You can

890
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: also download the podcast, and he writes a column for

891
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: National Review. Ben always good of you to drop by,

892
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: Thanks for the call. Good talk to you, team. I

893
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: gotta say, it's amazing to see how little there is

894
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: among the media class of any maya culp or forget

895
00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: even Maya just since that they might have overreached on

896
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: all this Trump Russia stuff. We just we just do

897
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: not hear about it at all. That there's nothing at

898
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: all out there about how from any of the major

899
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: news networks or any the major newsrooms across the country

900
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: about you know, maybe we shouldn't have been asking questions,

901
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: but whether the President United States was a traitor before

902
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 1: there was any evidence of it. I don't think anybody

903
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: really believes at this point that Trump did anything or

904
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: knew anything about the Russia stuff. And if some low

905
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: level guy did I I looked. I've said this last week,

906
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: and I agree with the Ben just said, now it's

907
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: not Trump's fault and we'll move on. I don't know

908
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: how many of you have already seen it. But the

909
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: cover of the New York Times magazine for the June

910
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: edition or June eighteenth or whatever it is, is of

911
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: Chelsea Manning, uh, in well a suit, sitting on a chair,

912
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: and the the headline is becoming Chelsea Manning, the long,

913
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: lonely road of the transgender soldier whose disclosure of thousands

914
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: of classified documents captivated the world, enraged the U. S Military,

915
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: and ushered in the age of leaks. Let me say

916
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: clothing to you before we before I get too far

917
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: into the Chelsea Manning aspect of this. And uh, this

918
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: is a question that I have posed to Julian Assange,

919
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: and I found the answer, I mean unsatisfactory in the

920
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: sense that I just disagree with him. To hurt the

921
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: United States intentionally as an act of either defiance or

922
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: radical transparency or whatever one wants to call it. But

923
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: to hurt the United States intentionally is not, in and

924
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: of its self good behavior purifying for America. Uh. And

925
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: I know that's a crazy thing to have to say,

926
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: But the New York Times and others out there seem

927
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: to take it upon themselves to be the ones who

928
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: judge when hurting the country is in the country's interests

929
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: when doing damage to national security is in the country's interest. Uh.

930
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: And I see what the Washington Post, New York Times

931
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: and and some others view as what should be reported

932
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: and how they should report it, and I often come

933
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: away from it thinking this is just they're just sharing

934
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: this because it gets them attention, and they like wielding

935
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: this power, and they don't care about the uh, circumstances

936
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: that may arise as a result of the disclosures. They

937
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: don't care about betraying people. You're seeing this more by

938
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: the way that there are I mean betraying their country,

939
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: but also even betraying sources. Um. You know this is

940
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: now Uh. I wonder how many journalists are really going

941
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: to be willing to go to jail to protect sources.

942
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: And you get into a very interesting territory here. As

943
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: I've said before, ethically speaking, I need someone to tell

944
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: me why under law, journalists are just as responsible for

945
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: hurting national security as somebody who worked in the military

946
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: or working talent community. That is the reality under the law.

947
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: People can tell me, oh not, that is in fact

948
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: what the law says, as anyone can tell. But it

949
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: is a policy not to have journalists be held to

950
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: account as citizens for the damage that they inflict intentionally, willfully,

951
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: knowingly on the United States. Uh, I wonder where we

952
00:52:55,680 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: draw that line. I do think it is uh far

953
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: too simple for people to say, you know, uh, love

954
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: the publisher, hate the leaker. Well, if it's information that

955
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: the public really should know. You know, if the United

956
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: States government was operating a death camp in some foreign country, right,

957
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: if we were just assassinating people by the hundreds that

958
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: we were undesirables for political reasons or whatever, and someone

959
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: leaked that and it was very secret information, the leaker

960
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: would in fact be a good person. That's this is

961
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 1: what No one ever really that there is in fact

962
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 1: such a thing as a moral leak. It is possible.

963
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: The leaks that we've seen from people like Chelsea Manning

964
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: do not fall into that category. They are self aggrandizing.

965
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: They are intended to take power away from America and

966
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: from the American government military and put it in the

967
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: hands of journalists or leakers or whomever. Um. But a

968
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: leak is just an issue of the information that is

969
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: unauthorized being shared and that we have We've been taught

970
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: because the journalists are the ones that create perception that

971
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 1: they can do whatever they want, that they can work

972
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: with the Chelsea Manning to release all this stuff. Remember

973
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: the New York Times was part of that, The Washington Post,

974
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: New York Times, they they share all this information out there.

975
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: And what's really crazy are that people that have formally

976
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: worked in the government that read the New York Times.

977
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: If we see something that we knew about from our

978
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: time and government, or maybe if we didn't even know,

979
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 1: are are we accountable for not being able to talk

980
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: about that even though we didn't know. But now it's

981
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: out there and it's been published and it's in the

982
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: public domain. You know, the government can't even figure this

983
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: stuff out. But holding up Chelsea Manning as some kind

984
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 1: of a hero is just disgraceful because Chelsea Manning knew

985
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: that by taking that information, the war effort, those who

986
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: we're out there in uniform. Uh, their efforts were being

987
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: undermined and hurt. I don't care what they say about

988
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: source protection. Uh, they don't know what the second order

989
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 1: effects were of those disclosures, and that could be very damaging.

990
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: And it was just a wildly unethical Remember this wasn't

991
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: a mistake. Chelsea Manning didn't, Oh, I didn't know it

992
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: was classified, or I didn't, which is which can be tough.

993
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't know if something is classified in the

994
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:33,240
Speaker 1: world because the government thinks that, you know, what people

995
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: in the intelligence community have for breakfast, you know, one

996
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: day is classified. I mean, it's insane. But to make

997
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: Chelsea Manning some kind of a hero, largely because of

998
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 1: the transgender issue I should know, by the way, now

999
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: it's transparency and transgender equals big story. Uh. This does

1000
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: a disservice to those who serve the country. This does

1001
00:55:55,600 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 1: a disservice to those who carry around the very crushing

1002
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: burden when they're inside of protecting government secrets and then

1003
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: even when you're outside, having to sort of navigate the

1004
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: world of well, you know what, where where do my

1005
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: First Amendment rights start? And where where does my old obligations?

1006
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: You know? And in terms of you know, what do

1007
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: I know from reading the paper versus what do I know? Then,

1008
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: Chelsea Manning just decided I'm gonna do this. I'm going

1009
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: to share all of this and the consequences be damned.

1010
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: And that the New York Times holds this individual up

1011
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: as a hero is to its disgrace to to its

1012
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: absolute and utter disgrace. There was no whistle blowing here.

1013
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: This was just sticking a thumb in the eye of

1014
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: the U. S. Military and the United States government. All right,

1015
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: we'll be back in just a few team, stay with

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00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: Welcome to everybody. We have our friend Matt Walsh on

1017
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: the line. He is an author at the Blaze dot

1018
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: com also the Matt Walsh Blog, and his new book

1019
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: is called The Unholy Trinity Blocking the Left's Assault on Life, marriage,

1020
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: and Gender. Matt, great to have you. Hey, thanks for

1021
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: having me book, Matt. I will have you know that

1022
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: my mother bought and read your book cover to cover.

1023
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: I actually saw it when I visited my folks this

1024
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: weekend on her on her table. So I just thought,

1025
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: I thought she's a bit She loved it, So there

1026
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: you go. Oh well, I'm appreciate the reviewer. Yeah, so

1027
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: let's get into some stuff here. We are, um in

1028
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: the midst of an interesting world where quote, the insanity

1029
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: in our culture is your fault if you won't speak

1030
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: out against it. Tell me how. Yeah. Yeah, that was

1031
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: a podcast I did last week about what she's relating

1032
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: to an article about the situation in Connecticut. Um, I

1033
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: got a little bit of attention where the there was

1034
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: a I guess they called quote unquote transgender girl, but

1035
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: a boy who competed against the girls in the state

1036
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: championship girls hundred and two hundred meter races. And he

1037
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: won both races against the girls with the time that,

1038
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: by the way, it would not have even placed among

1039
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: the boy I think he got like a twelve six

1040
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: six hundred meter dash, which is pretty slow. The boys

1041
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't have placed against the boys. You beat all the girls,

1042
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: and um, of course, is a totally crazy situation. And

1043
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: it's also, by the way, is a boys made no

1044
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: attempt to even like appear he's got a mustache, he's

1045
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: made no attempt to even appear like a girl. Not

1046
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: that it matters that much, but uh. And but the

1047
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: thing that jumped out of me about this story is

1048
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: that not just the craziness of it, but just how

1049
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: you know, nobody said, where are the parents of these

1050
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: girls who are being treated at cheated out of their

1051
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: out of their accomplishment. I'm not I don't know for

1052
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: a fact that none of the parents are spoken up,

1053
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: But there wasn't this outrage that you would expect and

1054
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: you know there are things even like the local sportswriters.

1055
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: I read an editorial by the local sportswriter, the Hartford Current,

1056
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: whom who said that, you know, he's he raised some

1057
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: questions about whether or not this is spared to the girls,

1058
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: but he made sure to preface that by saying that, well,

1059
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: we should celebrate the accomplishment of this transgender person, and

1060
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: what a wonderful thing this was for. I mean, and

1061
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: we all know how crazy this is and how wrong

1062
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: it is, but nobody is willing to stand up and

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Speaker 1: say anything. And so that, to me is is the

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Speaker 1: real story, and all of us will remained silent in

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Speaker 1: the face of this craziness where it really wants to

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Speaker 1: blame it. I think we should be ashamed of that.

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Speaker 1: I often discuss on my show what I think is

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Speaker 1: a continuum, and it starts with tolerance and then goes

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Speaker 1: to UH celebration and then goes to submission. And I

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Speaker 1: think on this issue, we're there. I mean, Matt, I

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Speaker 1: have to say, I don't well before I even move

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Speaker 1: on to the workplace pronoun issue. I assume now that

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Speaker 1: that fellow high school students would they're not allowed to

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Speaker 1: voice their opinion that they shouldn't be competing, that that

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Speaker 1: high school girls shouldn't be being against a guy that

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Speaker 1: would get them in trouble. Right, this isn't even now

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Speaker 1: social pressure or what's cool, meaning that you know, the

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Speaker 1: cool kids take one position or the popular position is

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Speaker 1: one thing. I bet now you would face sanctions in

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Speaker 1: the school for speaking out against this, and if you

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Speaker 1: don't already, you will in a matter of months. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was one of the most I mean, really heartbreaking

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Speaker 1: aspects of this story. And and I called the jumped

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Speaker 1: out of me from you from the news article I

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Speaker 1: read about it. The girl came in second, really came

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Speaker 1: in first, but the girl came in second. I think

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Speaker 1: it was she won last year, came in second this

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Speaker 1: year by a boys she should have won. And she's

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Speaker 1: been interviewed, you know, she's in she's in tears about it,

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Speaker 1: justified with so and she says something in effect of,

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Speaker 1: you know, I can't say what I want to say.

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Speaker 1: I can't, I can't say anything, but it's frustrating. So

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Speaker 1: this girl has been forced to submit to this boy

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Speaker 1: who has come in appropriated not only her identity, but

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Speaker 1: stolen her accomplishment from her and she's not allowed to

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Speaker 1: say anything. She just has to just you know, wipe

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Speaker 1: her tears and act like she's okay with it. And

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Speaker 1: that is you know, we talked about all time. But

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Speaker 1: where are the feminists on this? That not only these

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Speaker 1: girls having their identity and their accomplishments taken from them,

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Speaker 1: but they're being as you say, the word is submit,

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Speaker 1: their being forced to submit to it and remain silent,

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Speaker 1: basically shut your mouth and go along with it. And uh,

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Speaker 1: it's it's you know, this would be an occasion for

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Speaker 1: the feminist to come in with all of their things

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Speaker 1: about appropriation and this will be a time for that,

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Speaker 1: and uh, yeah, you don't really hear them. We're speaking

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Speaker 1: to Matt Wall. She's an author at The Blaze and

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Speaker 1: also his latest book is The Unholy Trinity. Matt, Uh,

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Speaker 1: I wonder now if we're at a place where you

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Speaker 1: have to use a preferred pronoun under pain of possible

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Speaker 1: firing in lawsuit. You know, the The New York Times

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Speaker 1: wrote this very lengthy I don't know if you had

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Speaker 1: a chance if you saw it. It just came across

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Speaker 1: my radar a couple of weeks ago. There wrote a

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Speaker 1: thousand words on how they were sorry for misusing a

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Speaker 1: pronoun about a character on an HBO show called Billions,

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Speaker 1: which I actually watch. The character prefers to be called they,

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Speaker 1: but in their article in the New York Times article

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Speaker 1: they didn't use they because they do have some misgivings

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Speaker 1: about using the wrong pronoun. In terms of plurality, gender

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01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 1: they're okay with, but plurality seems to be a step

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Speaker 1: too far. And I just wonder, are we at a

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Speaker 1: place now where someone can demand under nondiscrimination uh legislation

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Speaker 1: in the workplace that I have to call them they?

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Speaker 1: Or doing what if? What if somebody identifies as his

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Speaker 1: Royal highness? Why why can't they do that? Now? I

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Speaker 1: don't understand why that's not the way someone can designate. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think we're seeing the beginnings of that. And and

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Speaker 1: I don't see what with the uh you know what

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Speaker 1: the president has just been established, I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: any way of really stopping it. And especially just with

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Speaker 1: the way that we are, just generally speaking, the way

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Speaker 1: that we in our culture, in our society, uh interpret

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Speaker 1: this idea of human rights and we look at it

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Speaker 1: as you know, there was there was there was the

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Speaker 1: way that our our finding fathers looked at it, which

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Speaker 1: is the right way, and then the way that we

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Speaker 1: look at it, which is, you know, we have a

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Speaker 1: human right to be to have a there people kind

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01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: of treat us exactly as we think they should, even

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Speaker 1: you know, just just we have our kind of version

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Speaker 1: of reality and we have a human right, you have

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01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: everybody else around us kind of go along with it,

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01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: no matter if it's no matter if if our reality

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01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: conforms with actual reality or not. And now that we've

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Speaker 1: established that and that we have this human right to that,

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Speaker 1: then uh, then yeah, there's no there's no there's no

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Speaker 1: really pulling back. And if if they i mean you

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Speaker 1: look at in the schools what they've done with Title nine,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if they could do this with Title nine,

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Speaker 1: were they Title nine was originally supposed to be there

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Speaker 1: to ensure, at least in large part, that girls had

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Speaker 1: opportunities in sports, and now they're using that exact thing

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Speaker 1: to ensure that girls don't have opportunities in sports anymore.

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Speaker 1: So if they could take stuff like that and completely

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Speaker 1: turn it on its head and reverse it without hardly

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Speaker 1: any pushback, then there's there's there's really no stopping it

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Speaker 1: at this point. By the way, I saw you tweet

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Speaker 1: about the Equality March, which I'll be talking about a

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Speaker 1: little more later in the show, and I mentioned it

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Speaker 1: on Friday. First of all, I think it's fasting that

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Speaker 1: an equality march is now inherently an anti Trump march,

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01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: even though Trump is more pro uh same sex marriage

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01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: than Obama was at this stage in his presidency. That's

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Speaker 1: just a fact. Obama ran as a traditional marriage candidate.

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Speaker 1: But the Equality March is against Trump. But as you

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Speaker 1: point out in your tweet here, it's not about equality.

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Speaker 1: It's actually about special privileges and special treatment. Explain, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there is no uh you know, it's just like what

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Speaker 1: the Women's March. It's like point to a particular area

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Speaker 1: where you actually do not have equal rights because you're

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01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: not gonna find it. Um they have. It's if you're

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Speaker 1: in the hole. If you're homosexual, you have all the

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01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: same rights. And I would argue that you eat. But

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Speaker 1: even even before you had the quote unquote rights to marriage,

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Speaker 1: you still had all the same rights because we all

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Speaker 1: had the right to marry. Remember gaps of sex. It's

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Speaker 1: still be corrects. But even so, you have all the

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Speaker 1: right now all the all the same rights. Um. Now,

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Speaker 1: what you're looking for is exactly that, a special privileges

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01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 1: and entitlements, um. And and that's what and I think

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01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: that they need to be honest about their and I

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01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: and when I said that, of course there are people

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Speaker 1: arguing with me. One one of the big things that

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Speaker 1: came up in response to my argument was, well, what

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Speaker 1: about the right to adopt children? And there's still states

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01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: where I guess where gay couples aren't allowed to adopt children. This,

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Speaker 1: so I'm talking about that you don't have a human

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Speaker 1: right to adopt a kid. You have a human right

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01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 1: too if you conceive a child to you know, bring

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Speaker 1: that child into the world, and that's why we don't

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Speaker 1: live in China, thank god. But a human right to

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Speaker 1: adopt a kid? What? What kind of right? Is that?

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Speaker 1: Kids are not like objects that you have a right

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Speaker 1: to possess and own. Um. Kids have rights of their

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Speaker 1: own And I would argue they have a right to

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Speaker 1: a mother and a father. But before you can get

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Speaker 1: in that discussion, that is not a matter of human rights.

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Speaker 1: And to to to say that it is is ridiculous. Um.

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Speaker 1: So that's not a good response to my to my challenge,

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Speaker 1: and so I was still maintained that they have all

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Speaker 1: egal rights in the world. And now we're just moving

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Speaker 1: on to a tow entitlement. And tell me what this

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania supermarket shooter who self identified as a transject, your

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01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: woman who hated all men. Uh. You point out here

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Speaker 1: that this is not something the mainstre media is reporting on,

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01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: and that's certainly true because I didn't see it until

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Speaker 1: your tweet. Yeah, yeah, I didn't. I didn't say it

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Speaker 1: either until it was passed along to me. And uh,

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Speaker 1: just the story itself of the shooting has not got

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Speaker 1: a lot of coverage, but I mean, this is it's

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Speaker 1: really disturbing. If you read that, you just go online,

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Speaker 1: you read the story. I think it was on heat

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Speaker 1: Street that I thought it. Uh, this was a you know,

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01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 1: a boy that decided he identified as a girl because

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Speaker 1: he hates all men. And uh, that's part of what

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Speaker 1: this he was he was upset about. There's something about

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Speaker 1: he was upset about that they made him wear a

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Speaker 1: name tag with his male name on it, and that's

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Speaker 1: one of the things that sent him over the edge.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying, of course that you know, all

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Speaker 1: transgender people are taking time bomp, they're about shoot up

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Speaker 1: their places of work. I'm not saying that at all,

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Speaker 1: But if you look at what this guy said, I

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Speaker 1: guess it is on YouTube. Um, you know, coming out

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Speaker 1: as transgender, talking about what his problems are with the world.

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Speaker 1: He's a big hater of men. That's a big thing.

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Speaker 1: But you see this link between you know, transgenders and

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Speaker 1: mental illness and self loathing, and you see all of that.

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Speaker 1: You see it turned up to an extreme with this

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01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: particular person. But I think you find it in general

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01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: in that quote unquote community. Um, and that's why you're

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Speaker 1: not The story isn't gonna go a lot of attention,

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01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: but but but it should because it kind of it

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Speaker 1: gives you a look into the mind of someone who

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Speaker 1: struggles with these kind of identity issues. And it's just

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01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,919
Speaker 1: a shame that, you know, these days, they can't reach

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Speaker 1: out and find actual help, actual psychological help, which is

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Speaker 1: what they need. Instead, they find people encouraging them to

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Speaker 1: indulge in the delusion even more. And I think it

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Speaker 1: just makes a situation a lot worse. Yeah, it's required,

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Speaker 1: it's required affirmation. In fact, it's required celebration now from

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Speaker 1: people around a transgender individual. Uh, this is this is

1245
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: not to be helped or assisted or even just live

1246
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Speaker 1: and that live tolerated. This is to be applauded. That's

1247
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Speaker 1: what we're told now, right to be applauded. And the

1248
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: thing is and nobody wants to talk about and not

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Speaker 1: allowed to talk about. But but the fact is, if

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Speaker 1: you if you listen to what you know people transgender

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01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: people say, it's clear that like I said, it's self loathing,

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01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: that they actually are not happy. They're not finding happiness.

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Speaker 1: And when they transition, transition to another gender, they're still

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01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 1: not finding happiness. And when they get the sex change,

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01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 1: they're still not finding happiness. That's why a suicide rate

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Speaker 1: remains staggnant no matter what they do, no matter where

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Speaker 1: they live, they live an accepting culture, not accepting if

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Speaker 1: they get the sex change, if they don't get the

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Speaker 1: sex change, if they transition, they don't, suicide rate remains

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Speaker 1: astronomically high. And the reason for that is because they

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Speaker 1: are not happy. There's a deep misery within them um

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Speaker 1: and they need help, real help to to really love

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01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 1: themselves for who they actually are in reality, and they're

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01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: not getting that help. And uh, it really it's just

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Speaker 1: a it's a tragedy. It really is. Matt Walsh is

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Speaker 1: an author at the Blaze dot com. Check out his

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Speaker 1: latest They're also the Matt Walsh Blog and his book

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01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: is The Unholy Trinity Blocking the Left Assault on marriage,

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Speaker 1: life and gender matc rate to have you, sir, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks a lot of b team. We will

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Speaker 1: be right back. I mean, you really can't make this

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Speaker 1: stuff up. Over the weekend, I told you there were

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Speaker 1: a bunch of parades marches plan including the Puerto Rican

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Speaker 1: Day Parade here in New York City, and there were

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Speaker 1: also uh March for Equality protests or marches or both

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Speaker 1: across the country. Uh well, you know who knew Black

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Speaker 1: Lives Matter was also going to have an event, And

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Speaker 1: in d C, uh two events, a Black Lives Matter

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01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 1: protest and the d C Pride Parade came to ahead.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you literally had intersectionality in real time, Black

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Speaker 1: Lives Matter versus the Pride Parade. Here's how it sounded.

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01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: So chance and and all the rest of it going on.

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01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: Of course, Um, but you had Black Lives Matter protesters

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Speaker 1: stopping the police. But you see that the police were

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Speaker 1: necessary for the progress of the Pride Parade, and this

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01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:29,520
Speaker 1: this sort of turns into a rock paper scissor situation

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Speaker 1: in the sense that you know, who wins, who stands aside.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're playing chicken here out on the road

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Speaker 1: with two protests movements literally colliding, and you know what

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Speaker 1: they do, heads or tails, and you know, what, what

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Speaker 1: do you do here? You had the protesters on one

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Speaker 1: side and you also had the Pride Parade on the other.

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Speaker 1: And like I said, I'm parades are fine. I don't

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Speaker 1: particularly enjoy them or like them. You know, marches for

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Speaker 1: different things are not really um my jam, They're not

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Speaker 1: really my bag, as they say. But it's fine. It's

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Speaker 1: just interesting here that DC is a pretty big place

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Speaker 1: and that you had two leftist movements, the l g

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Speaker 1: b t Q plus Pride March literally coming into direct

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Speaker 1: or you know, butting heads with ramming into a Black

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01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 1: Lives Matter protest was a very interesting situation. Um So

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Speaker 1: they yeah, they blocked their route by the way, So

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01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 1: let's understand this. It wasn't like they they came to

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Speaker 1: uh an impass and they were like, oh, like my,

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Speaker 1: my brothers and sisters of the l b g t

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Speaker 1: Q movement. So good to see you fighting for your

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Speaker 1: equality and and civil rights as as we in the

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Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter movement say we are doing too. Why

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01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 1: don't you come right this way, we will clear up.

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Speaker 1: No no, oh no oh no. Uh. So they had

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Speaker 1: to reroute the parade. They forced them, the Black Lives

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Speaker 1: Matter protests forced them tore out the parade. In a sense,

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Speaker 1: they're kind of hijacking attention away from pride for Black

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Speaker 1: Lives Matter, which, by the way, we haven't seen a

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Speaker 1: lot of Black Lives Matter activity in a while. I

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01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: should just note that we are probably one high profile

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01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: case away from seeing a Black Lives Matter movement that

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01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: is much more uh what's the word, um, full of

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01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: uh outrage at the state of policing in this country.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm being incredibly polite because I am. But we're

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01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, we're much closer to I think seeing a

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Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter movement under a Trump administration that will

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Speaker 1: be uh bigger, um, more widespread, and perhaps, yes, I think,

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Speaker 1: much more destructive um than what we saw under the

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Speaker 1: Obama administration because of President Trump. So we haven't seen

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Speaker 1: this yet. There's been such a focus on because that

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01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: was by the way, largely a media a media narrative. Right,

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01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 1: they would take a local crime story making into a

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Speaker 1: national news story. President Obama would comment on it. And and

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Speaker 1: and it was an area that was has always seen

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01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 1: as an area of strength of the Democrats, right, so

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Speaker 1: they will call out police brutality along with the protesters.

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Speaker 1: So it served the purposes of the administration. With a

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Speaker 1: Trump administration, if you get a high profile shooting incident

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Speaker 1: involving a a black or Hispanic UM individual being shot

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01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 1: by police officer, I think you you will see I

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01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 1: believe I'm just guessing here, but they haven't. It's not

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01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 1: like the movement has gone anywhere. The protesters and all

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01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 1: the you know, the sorrows, money and all the other

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01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 1: stuff that gets it into this. I think you will

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01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 1: see a reinvigorated and much more UM aggressive Black Lives

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01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 1: Matter movement, aggressive in terms of their demands UH and

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01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 1: their desire for reform. And yes, I think there will

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01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 1: be elements within that movement, just as we saw before

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01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: that will turn to destruction and to violence. So this

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01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: is just a prediction, but I think if you see

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01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: a high profile shooting, Black Lives Matter is going to

1348
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: be all all over the place. Once again. Um, but yeah,

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01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 1: in this this showdown between the Pride parade and Black

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01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 1: Lives Matter protesters, Pride Parade got had to be rerouted. Um,

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01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 1: so it wasn't a big deal, but just with the

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01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: video of it, it was pretty pretty interesting to see

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01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 1: how how this went down. Um and uh, yeah, I

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01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: wasn't there, but I saw the video. Team. We've got

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Speaker 1: a lot coming up here in the third hour, including

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Speaker 1: a Shakespeare in the Park that involves Donald Trump. You

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01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: are not going to miss that. Back in just a

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Speaker 1: few minutes, and it involves in uh, an effigy of

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. I should say, back in a few minutes,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Freedom Hut on an island of

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01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 1: liberty where you're the party and it's full of fellow patriots.

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton kicks it off. One of the things you

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Speaker 1: often get asked as a New Yorker by people from

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Speaker 1: out of town is how often do you go see

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Speaker 1: a Broadway play? How often do you make it to

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Speaker 1: the theater? And I always kind of laugh and say, um,

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Speaker 1: almost never. I've been many times in years past, but

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Speaker 1: it has been quite a while since I have gone.

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Speaker 1: Having had numerous experiences of I guess we just had

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Speaker 1: the Tony Awards. Right of Tony Award winning plays. The

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Speaker 1: Tonys are like the Oscars for stage plays. I went

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Speaker 1: to see the hottest ticket in town. Everyone's talking about it,

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01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 1: and I just could think to myself, this is complete garbage.

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01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 1: And of course the politics of New York City theater

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01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 1: are more extreme in their progressiveness and leftism and anti God,

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01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: anti Republican, anti white male noss then and then almost

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01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 1: anything else you could possibly find anywhere. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: like you're sitting down with the diversity and Social Justice

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01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 1: Coalition at that college up in Washington State that I'm

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01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 1: forgetting green, not green something or other. Uh, that college

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Speaker 1: where they have the crazy stuff going on. Um, that's

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Speaker 1: what it's like with theater in New York City. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I remember seeing a play, not the last play that

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Speaker 1: I saw, which is a celebrated play called The Headwig

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01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 1: and the Angry Inch, and I can't even really describe

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01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: to you what I mean. It's about it someone who

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Speaker 1: is transgender and uh removes a part of his anatomy,

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01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: and I mean it's it is just wow and just

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01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 1: not very good. And it's been celebrated, it's been a

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Speaker 1: Broadway a lot. So Broadway you get all this progressive stuff.

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Speaker 1: But you'd think there are i don't know, maybe some

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Speaker 1: lines to all of this, but of course that is

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Speaker 1: not the case as we see here now, Shakespeare is

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01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: a treasure for all generations. And I know I sound

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01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 1: like a stuffy I want to be English teacher here, um,

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01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 1: but Shakespeare is incredible, as we all know. Pick up

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Speaker 1: a Shakespeare play, read it, go see it even better,

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01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: or watch a televised version of it. And Shakespeare is

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01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 1: a genius of the written word the way Mozart was

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Speaker 1: a genius of music. And I've always wanted to go

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01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 1: see Shakespeare in the park. But in New York City

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Speaker 1: they have this production of Shakespeare every summer in Central Park.

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01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: I've never been able to go, um, mostly because to

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01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 1: go you have to sit in some very long line.

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01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 1: And now I think there are people that you can

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01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 1: even pay. It's like Uber for lines. Uber is a

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01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 1: ride sharing service, you know. Now you can get somebody

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01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 1: to hold your spot in line somewhere. There are apps

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01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 1: where you pay someone to wait in line for you somewhere.

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01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a thing that's it's really I

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01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:27,600
Speaker 1: know people who do this and then they try to

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Speaker 1: resell the tickets. And so going to see Shakespeare in

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Speaker 1: the Park, the tickets are supposed to be I think

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01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 1: they're free if you wait for them, but if you

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01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 1: get there really early, and they make it a big hastle,

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01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 1: and just like anything, it's never really free. You're either

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01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 1: waiting for hours in the morning or you're paying someone

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01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 1: to wait for you, you you know, and no such thing

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01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: as free in this world. But I've always wanted to

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01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 1: go to Shakespeare in the Park, and now I think

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01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 1: I'm probably never going to go to Shakespeare in the Park.

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01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:56,719
Speaker 1: I'll have to find another Shakespeare theater company to help

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01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 1: me scratch that itch, because we have here. And remember

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Speaker 1: this comes in the aftermath of the whole Kathy Griffin

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01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 1: Trump beheading photo that she got into all that trouble

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01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:15,640
Speaker 1: for and then in a remarkable in a remarkable turnabout,

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01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 1: acted like she was some sort of victim. And it's

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01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 1: also sad and how could anyone have done this to her?

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01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: And you know, Trump's people are coming after her. Um,

1430
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 1: but this is what's happened, so that that occurred, right

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01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: the Kathy Griffin Donald Trump severed head and she lost

1432
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 1: her CNN gig, and it's been tough for SNN recently

1433
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 1: Oslan lost to CNN Gig. I will say that with Oslan,

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01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 1: I agree with some of my Oslan is a CNN

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01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 1: host of a show called Believer, which they've since said

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01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 1: they will not pick up. And I agree with some

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01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 1: of my conservative colleagues whose position on this is that

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01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: they don't like people getting fired for one tweet. I

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01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 1: agree with that, um, And so let me just say

1440
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 1: that Reza Aslan's entire body of work, so to speak,

1441
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 1: the way he is on TV, the way he is

1442
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: on Twitter is uh course and full of invective and

1443
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 1: is grotesque well beyond just this one tweet about how

1444
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 1: Trump is a piece of blank, as he wrote very publicly.

1445
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm like, Oslan's got to go. It's

1446
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:22,679
Speaker 1: not because I think that people for one errant tweet

1447
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 1: should necessarily be fired. I just do not. I just

1448
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 1: I think that when you look at the totality of

1449
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:33,719
Speaker 1: who this guy is, he's he's a liability for CNN.

1450
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 1: He actually is a liability for seeing and for exactly

1451
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 1: this reason. So I find Oslan to be um disgraceful,

1452
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 1: and he's gone. But generally speaking, you will hear me

1453
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 1: defend people for one wrong comment, one bad I mean,

1454
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 1: I think everyone should get a everyone should get a

1455
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: second chance, except in the most extreme and malicious circumstances

1456
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 1: of of the issue, right. I mean obviously not if

1457
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: you kill somebody or you you know, something horrific. But

1458
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 1: in content world and creative world, I think you get

1459
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 1: a second chance. But I digress. And now I'm gonna

1460
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 1: tell you a bit a time when I don't think

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01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 1: there should be a second chance, because it's it's so

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01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 1: egregious and um well, it's not even about a second chance.

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01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:16,640
Speaker 1: That's that's not even the right formulation of let me.

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01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you what's going on here. So

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Speaker 1: Shakespeare in the Park. Always wanted to go, had dreams

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01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 1: when I was a high schooler that, you know, I

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01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,600
Speaker 1: take my beautiful girlfriend that I did not yet have

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01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:27,799
Speaker 1: in high school, but you know, we go to Shakespeare

1469
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 1: in the Park together and it would be amazing and

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01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:32,600
Speaker 1: perfect and you know, like like something out of a

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01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 1: nineties rom com. Never been able to go because hard

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01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 1: to get tickets, and as I said, there's all these

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01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 1: other hurdles. Now they're in place, so the tickets are

1474
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 1: supposed to be free. Meanwhile, here I am a lifelong

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01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 1: New York and I've never been able to get it together.

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01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 1: Do you go to this thing? I? Uh, I I

1477
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 1: couldn't believe for a moment when I read it, and

1478
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 1: then I thought, oh no, this is the environment we

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01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 1: live in now, this is the anti Trump world in

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Speaker 1: which we find ourselves. But here's what happened recently. They

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Speaker 1: were doing a production of Julius Caesar, which, as you

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Speaker 1: all know, involves Julius Caesar being assassinated, assassinated by members

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Speaker 1: of the Senate, you know, at to brutus, all of that. Right,

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01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 1: So they're doing this assassination of Or, they're doing Julius Caesar,

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01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 1: and of course there's the assassination scene. Really one of

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01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 1: the most famous moments, one of those famous assassination woments

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Speaker 1: in all of Western history and literature, right, I mean,

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01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 1: it's up there with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. I mean, really,

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Speaker 1: I think Julius Caesar is even more famous, and uh

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01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 1: for the assassination or It's been around a lot longer. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you compare those things, but you

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Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying. It's a big deal. We all

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01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 1: know Julius Caesar stabbed a lot. Uh. They chose as

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Speaker 1: Julius Caesar in this play, a quote petulant, blondish Caesar

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01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,600
Speaker 1: in a blue suit, complete with a gold bathtub and

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01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 1: a pouty slavic wife. Uh. This is Trump, everybody. They

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01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 1: depict Julius Caesar as Trump. Uh. They and there are

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01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 1: other aspects of the play that are Look, this is

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01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 1: a New York City Shakespeare in the Park, very public,

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01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 1: very prominent, storied franchise. Uh. Of well, I don't know what.

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01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:24,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's been a a production every summer that

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01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 1: people have been talking about in the city for a

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01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 1: long time. It's a very New York thing. Uh. And

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01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 1: there are other aspects of this as well that point

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01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 1: to Trump as the target. Here. The set design has

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01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 1: remember this is supposed to be ancient Rome. There's a

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01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 1: preamble of the Constitution. Some of the costumes have people

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01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 1: wearing anonymous masks. There are even some of the very

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01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 1: grotesque and vulgar hats worn by some of the people

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01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:54,719
Speaker 1: on stage on this. You know, this is remember Shakespeare

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01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 1: in the Park. Julius Caesar. They've got Trump as Julius Caesar.

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01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 1: And they've got people wearing a non to mismasks like

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01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:04,759
Speaker 1: the masks for you know, the Occupy Wall Street folks

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01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:09,840
Speaker 1: and Anonymous, the hacking group, and also the hats that

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01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 1: are anatomically correct female hats. I don't know how else

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01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 1: to describe them. That some anti Trump protesters were on stage,

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01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 1: so it's very clear that this is supposed to be

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01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 1: the current president of the United States. They are putting

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01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 1: on a a a public play showing the assassination of

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01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 1: the president. That's what they're doing in Central Park. Uh.

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01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 1: And some people who are sponsors of this, including Bank

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01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 1: of America and Delta, are cutting ties with this. But

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01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 1: of course The New York Times is standing behind them. Oh,

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01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 1: it's all about artistic freedom, don't you see. It's all

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01:24:56,040 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: about expression and ideas. It's not about demeaning and yes,

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01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 1: even threatening the president. So here's what the Times wrote.

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01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 1: We have sponsored Shakespeare in the Park for twenty years

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01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 1: as an institution that believes in free speech for the

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01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:16,679
Speaker 1: arts as well as the media. We support the right

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01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 1: of the public theater to stage the production as they choose. Um,

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01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 1: you're supporting it, you know, to support them doing this

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01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 1: is to be complicit in what they're doing. You know,

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01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 1: they don't get to pull a punchers pilot here in

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01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: the New York Times as a sponsor this and wash

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01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 1: their hands. I'm sorry, it just doesn't work that way.

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01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 1: They are a party to this, and this comes at

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01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 1: a time when we've seen uh this uh, really violent

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01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 1: uh propaganda against the president of the United States. And

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01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 1: I don't like the what about is ms because they

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01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 1: become just a ruch for people's lazy analysis, right, because

1541
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 1: there's so much that's different in terms of the media

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01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 1: stream with Obama. But sometimes it's unavoidable. I don't know

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01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 1: what else to say. And we all know that if

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01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 1: you didn't have Trump, if you had a clear depiction

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01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 1: of Obama in this Julius Caesar play in this way,

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01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 1: there would be I think there would actually be riots.

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01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 1: I think they would be burning things down in the street.

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01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 1: I think people would be in a complete and utter

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01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 1: freak out. And yet here we are being told that

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01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 1: this is by the New York Times at least, that

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01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 1: this is art, that this is just the way they

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01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:44,679
Speaker 1: choose to show all of this. Uh, they are staging

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01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:49,719
Speaker 1: a mock assassination of the president. Of the United States

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01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 1: in public view. Now, there's a reason why threats against

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01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:59,639
Speaker 1: the president aren't taken differently than just a well, certainly

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01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:01,680
Speaker 1: that a fig tional or historical figure. Right, you can

1557
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:03,720
Speaker 1: threaten to kill Julius Caesar all day. That's fine, that

1558
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 1: shouldn't upaid anybody. You can kill Julius Caesar all day

1559
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 1: because not a real person, uh, or you know, somebody's

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01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 1: been dead a very long time. But the president is

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01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 1: a symbol. And given the level of hatred that exists

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01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 1: in this country and the history we have of both

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01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 1: attempted and realized assassination attempts on a sitting president too

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01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 1: in any way normalize or or uh explain away or

1565
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 1: try to justify what is really just violence violent thoughts

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01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 1: against the president takes us down an incredibly dark path,

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01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:47,120
Speaker 1: I promise you. People often say, oh, if Trump appointed

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01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 1: his kids to be a top advisors, I mean they

1569
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 1: were really really young, But wouldn't you have had a problem?

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01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 1: And I say yes, And I have a problem with

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01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 1: Trump appointing his kids to be top advisors. I don't

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01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 1: think it's you know, high treason or anything, but I

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01:27:58,200 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 1: think that it's a bad look. I think that it

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01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 1: should and happen, Okay, But uh, I would not have

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01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 1: been okay with a right wing not that there's such

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01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 1: a thing that even exists, really right wing theater group.

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01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:11,680
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it exists, but I don't I don't know.

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01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 1: It's not not not a thing that anybody in New

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01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 1: York knows about a right wing theater group staging a

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01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 1: Julius Caesar with Obama as Caesar getting stabbed on stage.

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01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:24,880
Speaker 1: I would not have been okay with that because there

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01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 1: are some basic principles and there is some basic decency

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01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:32,599
Speaker 1: that we should all uh defend, and that the Times

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01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 1: comes out and defense it just goes to show, you know,

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01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: what they're really doing is erasing the old boundaries. This

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01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 1: is what the media has been in the process of

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01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 1: for a while that the President and and and of

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01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 1: course along with it, there's this is a corollary. The

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01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 1: President and all those who support him are beyond salvation,

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01:28:52,600 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 1: they are beyond defense, they are beyond uh basic courtesy. Uh.

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01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 1: They are to be shunned, they are to be humiliated,

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01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:06,680
Speaker 1: they are to be defeated, they are to be destroyed.

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01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 1: That is the purpose of what the media is doing

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01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 1: with Trump and his supporters, and that there are these

1595
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 1: art groups out there, or art artists, if that's what

1596
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 1: you want to call a hack comedian like Kathy Griffin,

1597
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 1: who clearly see that there is a a push in

1598
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 1: this direction. Maybe maybe Kathy Griffin, even for the crazy left,

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01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 1: goes too far, although you know she'll be back doing

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01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 1: comedy tours in no time. Trust me, they're they'll forgive

1601
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 1: and forget her, or forgive and forget what she did.

1602
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:43,040
Speaker 1: But that there's not a universal outrage on the left

1603
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 1: about exactly what's going on here just shows you that

1604
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:53,840
Speaker 1: they have become overtaken by really a form of of

1605
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 1: of illness, a a psychosis um. They believe that this

1606
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 1: president is destroying the country and that there will be

1607
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 1: countless lives loss as a result. And if one really

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01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 1: believes that, you begin to ask some very difficult and

1609
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:14,760
Speaker 1: very dark and very ominous questions about, well, where does

1610
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 1: one draw the lines? If one is a progressive leftist

1611
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 1: who believes that Trump is destroying America when it comes

1612
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:29,719
Speaker 1: to art and representations of of politics and this presidency,

1613
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 1: they don't believe there are any lines. They don't think

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01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 1: that there's anything that goes too far, and that is

1615
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:38,640
Speaker 1: that is troubling, and that a place of the stature

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01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:41,760
Speaker 1: and reach of the New York Times is willing to

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01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 1: defend this stuff in any way. It's just indicative of

1618
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 1: how depraved are politics have made so many people in

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01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 1: the current era. All Right, we're gonna hit a quick

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01:30:53,600 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 1: break team much more coming, stay with me, Welcome back team.

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01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 1: We lost three soldiers over the weekend. The Pentagon has

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01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 1: identified the three who were slain, Sergeant Eric Howke, Sergeant

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01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 1: William Bays, and Corporal Dylan Baldridge. We're all part of

1624
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 1: the story in Hunter first Airborne Division. They were killed

1625
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:27,639
Speaker 1: in Nangar Province and another soldier was wounded in the attack.

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01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:35,080
Speaker 1: The gunmen, the infiltrader was killed and the Taliban has

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01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:39,960
Speaker 1: taken credit for this attack and has called the gunman

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01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:44,479
Speaker 1: an infiltrader. Now, these green on Blue as they're called,

1629
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:49,560
Speaker 1: attacks are nothing new, unfortunately. UM. In fact, there was

1630
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 1: one period in twelve when they were as many as

1631
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:56,720
Speaker 1: fifteen percent of the US led coalition deaths in Afghanistan.

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01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:01,200
Speaker 1: It's according to the Long War Journal. UH. They started

1633
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:04,719
Speaker 1: taking new measures as a result of that UM and

1634
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:07,840
Speaker 1: having to put new precautions in place because there were

1635
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:12,280
Speaker 1: so many of these insider attacks now, First off, the

1636
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:14,879
Speaker 1: loss of three as a reminder that we are losing

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01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:20,040
Speaker 1: our brave men and women in uniform still in Afghanistan.

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01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 1: And I know that people. Because the numbers aren't high, Uh,

1639
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't get as much media attention as it should um.

1640
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:30,200
Speaker 1: But with every soldier that we lose, we should be

1641
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:32,840
Speaker 1: asking the question why why did we Why did we

1642
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:37,719
Speaker 1: lose that soldier? Why is another family getting a folded

1643
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 1: flag and their lives changed forever, a loss that will

1644
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:46,920
Speaker 1: never be able to be filled, a loss that will

1645
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 1: never truly go away. What is the mission now in Afghanistan?

1646
01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 1: What are we trying to accomplish there? Do we have

1647
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 1: the right force structure? Do we know what the goal

1648
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 1: of all of our efforts over there right now in

1649
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:04,640
Speaker 1: Afghanistan where we've been for sixteen years? Do we have

1650
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 1: answers to these questions? If we do not, it is

1651
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:12,800
Speaker 1: incumbent upon us to have a national conversation our politicians

1652
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:17,680
Speaker 1: who spend so much time on this Russia which hunt nonsense,

1653
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 1: and so little time on what are we going to

1654
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 1: do about the longest war in American history? Are we

1655
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:27,760
Speaker 1: going to send in another hundred fifty troops. If so,

1656
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 1: why what will the objective be? Are we going to

1657
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 1: force the Pakistanis to take a stand against what's going

1658
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 1: on their side of the bard? Can we even do that?

1659
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 1: Are we worried about Pakistani stability if we apply too

1660
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 1: much pressure to their government to help us? Because without

1661
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:46,680
Speaker 1: taking out the Pakistani sanctuary, what we do, what the

1662
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 1: Afghan national forces do in Afghanistan will not be sufficient.

1663
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:55,600
Speaker 1: We will suppress the Taliban virus at best, but we

1664
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 1: will not eradicated, and therefore it can come back. Where

1665
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 1: is this discus should? We're not even having it. No

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01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:07,760
Speaker 1: one's talking about it. And I find it deeply frustrating

1667
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:12,759
Speaker 1: and disconcerting that there's all of this energy and effort

1668
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 1: and time and money spent on the latest iteration of

1669
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 1: nonsense about Trump and Russia, and we are losing ours

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01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 1: still in Afghanistan, and there will be more. We don't

1671
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:30,759
Speaker 1: talk about it. Politicians put it on the back burner.

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01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 1: It's just status quo over there. Well it shouldn't be,

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01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 1: and I really hope that we spend more time as

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01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,240
Speaker 1: a as a country, as a nation on what we

1675
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:43,200
Speaker 1: should do about our longest ever war. Will be right

1676
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:55,520
Speaker 1: that I think we've all reached the point of frustration

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01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:59,639
Speaker 1: saturation after a terrorist attack. What I mean by that

1678
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 1: is whenever there's one of these horrific acts of Jihada's

1679
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:09,480
Speaker 1: violence UH anywhere in the world, there are these responses

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01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:11,840
Speaker 1: that you can expect to come from the media. They'll

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01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 1: talk about how this is the result of UH in

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01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 1: action on terrorism with our partners abroad, or this is

1683
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:24,760
Speaker 1: because of US foreign policy, or this is UH aberrant,

1684
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 1: this is nothing. Don't pay any attention to it. It's

1685
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 1: like a natural disaster. It just happens. Terrorism just happens.

1686
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:35,519
Speaker 1: You hear all these different versions of events after a

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01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 1: terrorist incident, and you know that your politics, that the

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01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 1: politics of the individual UH line up with one side

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01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:49,800
Speaker 1: of responses or the other. And one of the more

1690
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 1: frustrating aspects of responding or response to terrorist attack is

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01:35:56,600 --> 01:36:02,120
Speaker 1: the sense of virtues ignoring that I think does go

1692
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:05,759
Speaker 1: on after this. It's one thing if a community wants

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01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:09,280
Speaker 1: to hold a candlelight vigil for the victims of a

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01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:14,000
Speaker 1: terrorist attack in their community or even perhaps in their country,

1695
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 1: depending on the scope and scale of the attack. But

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01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who their initial reaction

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01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 1: to this is to somehow make this an opportunity, make

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01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 1: a terrorist attack an opportunity for and an act of

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01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:36,640
Speaker 1: personal solidarity. And while there's nothing wrong with that, and

1700
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 1: I'm not putting anyone down who does it, I do

1701
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:42,639
Speaker 1: think that it can be extended a bit too far

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01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:47,040
Speaker 1: and it starts to feel like there's a personal branding

1703
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 1: that takes place after these terrorist attacks. Now, let's put

1704
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 1: all cards at the table. I'm a commentator and I

1705
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:57,879
Speaker 1: work in counter terrorism for the government in the past,

1706
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:01,759
Speaker 1: so I'm not somebody who is going to be quiet

1707
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:04,040
Speaker 1: or sit back after a terrorist attack. I'm gonna share

1708
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 1: a lot of opinions. And this is because I think

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01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:11,760
Speaker 1: that it's there's an existential struggle for civilization that is

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01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:14,559
Speaker 1: underway and that we are in a fight against a

1711
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:18,679
Speaker 1: global totalitarian is um similar to our Cold War fight

1712
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 1: against communism, which should be noted, lead to many, many

1713
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:24,479
Speaker 1: hot wars around the world. We just didn't go to

1714
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:30,320
Speaker 1: direct war with the Soviet Union as the primary communist opponent,

1715
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:33,600
Speaker 1: but there was no shortage of wars. So I I

1716
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 1: look at all of this now and I see a

1717
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:41,519
Speaker 1: global struggle between the roughly speaking, the forces of Western

1718
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:44,519
Speaker 1: civilization really just civilization. And I think now you could

1719
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:48,879
Speaker 1: say that our allies like the Japanese UH and others

1720
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:51,599
Speaker 1: are you know, South Korea are are every bit as

1721
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:54,320
Speaker 1: much a part of this fight for civilization as we are,

1722
01:37:54,360 --> 01:38:00,640
Speaker 1: but they're not involved in the fight against jihadism. Person say,

1723
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 1: they still are a bulwark against um, the totalitarianism of communism.

1724
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:10,559
Speaker 1: But Japan and South Korea don't have to worry about

1725
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:15,160
Speaker 1: the jihad Europe and America we do. And so after

1726
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 1: one of these incidents, I understand there's an impulse to

1727
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:20,960
Speaker 1: want to do something. There's an impulse to want to

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01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 1: be in some way UH supportive involved, And one of

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01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:32,280
Speaker 1: the methods that has become popular in recent years is

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01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:36,320
Speaker 1: the Facebook filter. So after, for example, the horrific terrorist

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01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:40,559
Speaker 1: attack in that hit the Stas de France and the

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01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:44,639
Speaker 1: bata Klan theater, there were people who were putting up

1733
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:46,920
Speaker 1: a I believe this was the first time I saw it.

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01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:48,400
Speaker 1: That might have been. It might have been after the

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01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 1: nice attack, UM I know that happened. It might have

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01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:54,599
Speaker 1: been the first time, but after a major terrorist attacked people.

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01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:58,120
Speaker 1: But a filter of the UH, the tweet color or

1738
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:01,479
Speaker 1: the French flag uh, the red wed and blue of

1739
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:06,240
Speaker 1: the French flag up over their Facebook or their Twitter

1740
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:12,759
Speaker 1: avatar as a show of solidarity. And I that's fine.

1741
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:16,799
Speaker 1: I'm not here to cast dispersions or put judgment on people.

1742
01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 1: Especially Look, if if it's in your community, if it's

1743
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 1: in your country, you know, you respond to it as

1744
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:23,800
Speaker 1: you see fit. But from around the world, I mean,

1745
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:26,559
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people and who knows where

1746
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:31,000
Speaker 1: who are thinking they're expressing their solidarity, and you do

1747
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:34,720
Speaker 1: get into a more difficult or more complicated conversation. I

1748
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:41,440
Speaker 1: think sometimes about what's the difference between expressions of solidarity

1749
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:46,639
Speaker 1: with no cost, expressions of solidarity that do not uphold

1750
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:50,040
Speaker 1: any particular principle other than, of course, the sanctity of life.

1751
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 1: But but that that that don't engage in the debate

1752
01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:55,720
Speaker 1: why did this terrorist attack happen? What can we do

1753
01:39:55,800 --> 01:40:01,960
Speaker 1: to stop the next one? Just expressing condolences is a worthwhile,

1754
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:08,120
Speaker 1: UH individual exercise, but certainly isn't a part of ending

1755
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 1: this continuous assault by the forces of UH, radical Islam

1756
01:40:14,439 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 1: and global jihadism against us. And I think we all

1757
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:20,559
Speaker 1: recognize that. So the Facebook filter after a terrorist attack

1758
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 1: has become a thing that people do um and I

1759
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a little wary of let's all have

1760
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:33,320
Speaker 1: a candlelight visual and let's have a James Taylor concert,

1761
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 1: and let's have a you know, this is not a

1762
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:38,360
Speaker 1: natural disaster. Everybody, We're under attack, all right. These are

1763
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:40,120
Speaker 1: people that are trying to destroy us. There are other

1764
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:43,559
Speaker 1: human beings. They have a cohesive ideology. It is global,

1765
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:45,400
Speaker 1: They are all over the world. They have a lot

1766
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:49,000
Speaker 1: of support, they have a lot of motivation coming to them,

1767
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:53,479
Speaker 1: both online and in person. So this is not just

1768
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:56,840
Speaker 1: the way that it is. And I worry that the

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01:40:56,880 --> 01:41:02,320
Speaker 1: Facebook filters and the candlelight vigils and the you know,

1770
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:07,960
Speaker 1: the solidarity concerts are lulling us all into a sense of, well,

1771
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:11,559
Speaker 1: if we just do this, things will be fine. No,

1772
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:14,559
Speaker 1: we actually have to take a much more active role

1773
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 1: in this in and I know that no one person

1774
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:20,400
Speaker 1: can do it, but every one person has to do it,

1775
01:41:20,439 --> 01:41:22,080
Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. This has to be

1776
01:41:22,479 --> 01:41:25,800
Speaker 1: an effort that comes from all of us to understand

1777
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:28,080
Speaker 1: what are the values that we believe in and are

1778
01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 1: willing to fight for, and to in our own way

1779
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:36,439
Speaker 1: promote those and don't allow those around you to live

1780
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:41,439
Speaker 1: in this fantasy that somehow this isn't that the threat

1781
01:41:41,479 --> 01:41:44,280
Speaker 1: of radical Islam, the threat of jihad is m is

1782
01:41:44,479 --> 01:41:47,760
Speaker 1: overhyped in the press, is overplayed, is not something that

1783
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:51,679
Speaker 1: you concern every American, because it certainly does. And it's

1784
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:53,840
Speaker 1: just a matter of time, my friends, before we are

1785
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:57,720
Speaker 1: at war with yet another jihad iss entity. And I

1786
01:41:57,760 --> 01:42:03,920
Speaker 1: don't just mean the covert and uh and multifaceted war

1787
01:42:04,040 --> 01:42:10,560
Speaker 1: against terrorism. I mean actually a war with another sovereign

1788
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:13,599
Speaker 1: state that has a Muslim majority population, whether it's Iran

1789
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 1: or someone else. It's it's just a matter of time,

1790
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:18,120
Speaker 1: I think if you look at if you look at

1791
01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:21,599
Speaker 1: recent history, so it is something that concerns all of us.

1792
01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:24,680
Speaker 1: But back to Facebook filters. I just I thought this

1793
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:28,240
Speaker 1: was an interesting, uh interesting side that I was reading Slate.

1794
01:42:28,280 --> 01:42:30,160
Speaker 1: I was reading some left wing stuff over the weekend

1795
01:42:30,240 --> 01:42:34,280
Speaker 1: because I like to punish myself, and there is a

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01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:37,360
Speaker 1: piece of why Facebook no longer promote solidarity filters for

1797
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:40,920
Speaker 1: profile pictures after a terrorist attacks. So Facebook is no

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01:42:41,080 --> 01:42:46,200
Speaker 1: longer doing this, and I thought to myself, well, okay,

1799
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:50,240
Speaker 1: maybe maybe someone within Facebook has gotten the message. Or

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01:42:51,400 --> 01:42:54,040
Speaker 1: my first thought was, well, it's because a solidarity filter

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01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:55,880
Speaker 1: doesn't really have any meeting. Did you had to start

1802
01:42:55,960 --> 01:42:59,760
Speaker 1: seeing it. I don't know how many people that are

1803
01:42:59,800 --> 01:43:03,280
Speaker 1: affected see it, but or you know that live in

1804
01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:07,639
Speaker 1: the country that has been attacked. But it look it's harmless.

1805
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:09,559
Speaker 1: There's there's no bad that comes from it. It comes

1806
01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:12,720
Speaker 1: from it, I mean, there's no downside to it. Uh,

1807
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:14,680
Speaker 1: And it comes from a good place. And I know

1808
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:17,080
Speaker 1: some of you listening. I put on solidarity filters and

1809
01:43:17,120 --> 01:43:20,479
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm not putting down solidarity filters. I

1810
01:43:20,479 --> 01:43:22,320
Speaker 1: think that they have a place. It's that I think

1811
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 1: it's limited, and I think that we need to not

1812
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:27,719
Speaker 1: allow ourselves to be lulled into a sense that candle

1813
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:31,280
Speaker 1: light vigils and solidarity filters are enough. But here's what's

1814
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:35,720
Speaker 1: fascinating to me about the way this actually goes down. Ah.

1815
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:39,719
Speaker 1: Facebook doesn't want to promote solidarity filters anymore, not because

1816
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:45,479
Speaker 1: it's not enough, Not because they want people to be

1817
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:48,840
Speaker 1: taking action and not just sitting back, you know, whether

1818
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:51,320
Speaker 1: it's taking action to support charities that are helping those

1819
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:56,920
Speaker 1: or no. No, they are getting rid of solidarity filters

1820
01:43:57,680 --> 01:44:03,880
Speaker 1: because they feel like it's unfair, uh, that some places

1821
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:09,840
Speaker 1: get more attention than others. Ah, here's what it says.

1822
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:14,240
Speaker 1: Facebook swift decision to promote the solidarity gesture generated backlash

1823
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:17,439
Speaker 1: in the form of sharp criticism from many who pointed

1824
01:44:17,439 --> 01:44:21,519
Speaker 1: out the lack of such compassionate gestures for crises in

1825
01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:26,200
Speaker 1: Lebanon and Syria. Facebook hasn't promoted a solidarity filter since.

1826
01:44:26,240 --> 01:44:29,759
Speaker 1: The Facebook representative said. The community response to the French

1827
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:33,960
Speaker 1: flag filter lad Facebook to rethink its strategy on promoting

1828
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:38,000
Speaker 1: solidarity causes. UH. This is according to a Facebook representtive,

1829
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:39,800
Speaker 1: with an anxiety that the company may appear to be

1830
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:44,839
Speaker 1: ranking the importance of human suffering depending on which events

1831
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:49,880
Speaker 1: generated filters and which didn't. UH. Facebook's safety check has

1832
01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:52,400
Speaker 1: received similar criticism, much of which has been mitigated by

1833
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:55,479
Speaker 1: the company's decision to turn over activating the feature to

1834
01:44:55,600 --> 01:45:02,720
Speaker 1: a third party. So the problem, UH. Million people, by

1835
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 1: the way, use the rainbow UH flag overlay for the

1836
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:12,200
Speaker 1: Supreme Court ruling for example. UM, So this has been

1837
01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:16,880
Speaker 1: used and the there was a Mother's Day frame last

1838
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:20,120
Speaker 1: year that was used by million people. So these catch

1839
01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:22,240
Speaker 1: on and a lot of people do use them. But

1840
01:45:22,280 --> 01:45:24,360
Speaker 1: Facebook wants to stand back from this because they're worried

1841
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:30,200
Speaker 1: about ranking human suffering uh. And essentially, why should there

1842
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:34,040
Speaker 1: be a solidarity filter for a mass casualty terrorist attack

1843
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:37,479
Speaker 1: in Paris? The thinking goes when there are suicide bombings

1844
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:45,400
Speaker 1: in Baghdad on a weekly or monthly basis. Now we

1845
01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:47,799
Speaker 1: can get into a longer discussion about the difference between

1846
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:51,240
Speaker 1: atrocities that occur in a war zone versus atrocities that

1847
01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:55,280
Speaker 1: are specifically committed in countries that are not in the

1848
01:45:55,320 --> 01:45:59,679
Speaker 1: midst of a war. Um. But as you see here, uh,

1849
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:03,400
Speaker 1: there are social justice politics that even affect who you

1850
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:06,799
Speaker 1: are allowed to express sympathy for, how you are expressing

1851
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:11,000
Speaker 1: your sympathy. In effect, Facebook doesn't want to be seen

1852
01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:16,040
Speaker 1: as showing or playing favorites when it comes to humanitarian

1853
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:19,439
Speaker 1: gestures because there are some parts of the world where

1854
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:22,160
Speaker 1: they'd have to have a filter every day. There are

1855
01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:26,040
Speaker 1: some parts of the world where mass casualty violence is

1856
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:31,599
Speaker 1: all too normalized and regular in occurrence. But the people

1857
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:35,439
Speaker 1: that are complaining about Facebook and it's French, it's it's

1858
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:39,639
Speaker 1: filter for the French terrorist attack and the attack in London. Uh,

1859
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:41,519
Speaker 1: they don't want to discuss why is it there are

1860
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:43,200
Speaker 1: some parts of the world where this is all too

1861
01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:47,479
Speaker 1: regular and occurrence and what are the unifying characteristics of

1862
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:51,360
Speaker 1: those countries where there's widespread violence, where terrorist attacks happen.

1863
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:53,160
Speaker 1: Why is it that when you look at the State

1864
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:58,360
Speaker 1: departments breakdown of terrorist acts around the world, there are

1865
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 1: a number of countries that mainate in the category and

1866
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:06,440
Speaker 1: they all have one thing in common. And it's not poverty,

1867
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:11,679
Speaker 1: and it's not access to weapons, and it's not meddling

1868
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:23,759
Speaker 1: foreign powers. Are you know they have one thing in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, Nigeria.

1869
01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:27,720
Speaker 1: What do all of those countries that would need constant

1870
01:47:28,040 --> 01:47:31,640
Speaker 1: Facebook solidarity filters for all of the human suffering and

1871
01:47:31,680 --> 01:47:33,679
Speaker 1: it is all too real and it's terrible that it's

1872
01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:37,479
Speaker 1: going on there. But what is the one commonality? And

1873
01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:40,600
Speaker 1: when do we get to address the fact that that

1874
01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:45,200
Speaker 1: seems to be quite an indicator. There's there's one thing

1875
01:47:45,240 --> 01:47:49,360
Speaker 1: that unifies all of those countries and we are not

1876
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:51,240
Speaker 1: supposed to talk about it. No, we're just supposed to

1877
01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:54,759
Speaker 1: know filters. Now, let's not push filters for any place.

1878
01:47:55,439 --> 01:47:58,040
Speaker 1: Even though as we can just see from the news,

1879
01:47:58,479 --> 01:48:02,240
Speaker 1: there are some places for which violence is a regular occurrence,

1880
01:48:03,439 --> 01:48:05,880
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it doesn't mean those lives are any less

1881
01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:09,160
Speaker 1: precious doesn't mean that we should more and less for

1882
01:48:09,280 --> 01:48:12,400
Speaker 1: those lives. But if we're not going to use filters

1883
01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 1: because there's too much violence in some of these countries

1884
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:16,800
Speaker 1: and so there'd be filters all the time, I just

1885
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:19,400
Speaker 1: think it'll be worth saying, worth asking the question why

1886
01:48:19,479 --> 01:48:22,479
Speaker 1: is there so much violence? Then let's hit a break team,

1887
01:48:22,600 --> 01:48:34,400
Speaker 1: will dren The Austrians are getting verice tricks with immigration

1888
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:37,719
Speaker 1: rules that changing things so that you canscious like show

1889
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:39,519
Speaker 1: up and be like, oh look it's me. I want

1890
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:41,880
Speaker 1: to do my own culture and maybe I'll just eat

1891
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:44,360
Speaker 1: some Venish nitzel sometime, but for the most part, I

1892
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:48,400
Speaker 1: want to be my own person in Austria. Austria, according

1893
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:53,800
Speaker 1: to heat Street, here has passed a law that will

1894
01:48:53,880 --> 01:49:00,280
Speaker 1: find women who wear in Islamic h dress covering for

1895
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:04,559
Speaker 1: well where a veil that covers the whole face, and

1896
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:08,439
Speaker 1: also will take away welfare benefits from immigrants who fail

1897
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:12,240
Speaker 1: to learn the language. Yes, you have to learn the

1898
01:49:12,280 --> 01:49:16,920
Speaker 1: Germans as a fantastic language. Yes, so good. You consciously like,

1899
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Speaker 1: oh I I lock my own language. I don't want

1900
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Speaker 1: to learn the German because you know, like whatever you

1901
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:25,080
Speaker 1: makes a fancy cause but I want, I want to

1902
01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:27,720
Speaker 1: do it to my own way. Nope, you gotta learn.

1903
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Speaker 1: You gotta learn German um And the text of the

1904
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Speaker 1: law goes as follows. Quote those who are not prepared

1905
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Speaker 1: to accept Enlightenment values will have to leave our country

1906
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Speaker 1: and society. Women. That's in the text of the law.

1907
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Speaker 1: By the way, women will face a fine of up

1908
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Speaker 1: to a hundred and sixty eight dollars if they wear

1909
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Speaker 1: either the nicab or the burke. I Remember nickab is

1910
01:49:53,320 --> 01:49:56,240
Speaker 1: just the covering of the face the burka, but the

1911
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Speaker 1: eyes are exposed and sort of there's a slit for

1912
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Speaker 1: the eyes. The burka is like the gauze covering over

1913
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:04,759
Speaker 1: the you can't see anything except someone's hand, the woman's hands.

1914
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Speaker 1: Um it. Also, this law will make it illegal for

1915
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Speaker 1: newcomers to quote distribute incendiary materials. And migrants will be

1916
01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:17,960
Speaker 1: encouraged to volunteer before acquiring permanent work permits in order

1917
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Speaker 1: to prepare them for life in the workplace. So this

1918
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Speaker 1: is how Austria is responding to the migrant crisis. Isn't

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Speaker 1: it quite interesting? Why should it be controversial? By the way,

1920
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Speaker 1: that to insist that migrants learn the language of the

1921
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:38,080
Speaker 1: country they're coming to why should it be controversial at

1922
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Speaker 1: all to say that you cannot cover your face. Face

1923
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Speaker 1: is a it's a public safety issue. It is necessary

1924
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Speaker 1: for public identification. And quite honestly, a society is allowed

1925
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Speaker 1: to promote policies that replicate its values without always falling

1926
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Speaker 1: a foul of the multiculturalist, who are ultimately just moral relativists.

1927
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Speaker 1: Moral relativity or moral relativists are people who believe that

1928
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Speaker 1: they have their way. I have my way. If they

1929
01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:14,599
Speaker 1: think their way is moral, that's fine for them. If

1930
01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:16,840
Speaker 1: I think my way is moral, that's fine for me.

1931
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Speaker 1: There is no universal truth, There is no absolute truth.

1932
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Speaker 1: Moral relativism is corrosive. Unfortunately, it is also a central

1933
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Speaker 1: part of leftist progressive ideology. But moral relativism is the

1934
01:51:31,560 --> 01:51:35,679
Speaker 1: ideological and psychological rot at the very core of all

1935
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Speaker 1: that is wrong with the modern progressive movement in this

1936
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Speaker 1: country because, and you can break it all down, right,

1937
01:51:43,960 --> 01:51:48,080
Speaker 1: they don't believe in natural law, because they don't believe

1938
01:51:48,280 --> 01:51:52,920
Speaker 1: in universal moral law. Right, they believe in international law

1939
01:51:52,960 --> 01:51:56,120
Speaker 1: made by international institutions constructed by elites, but they don't

1940
01:51:56,120 --> 01:52:00,160
Speaker 1: believe in universal moral law because they do not believe

1941
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Speaker 1: that there is a universal being that we are all

1942
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Speaker 1: responsible two and four uh, and that is God. So

1943
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:14,120
Speaker 1: because they are atheists at their core, whether they go

1944
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Speaker 1: through the rituals and and communal aspects of religion, because

1945
01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:21,639
Speaker 1: they don't really believe in God, they don't really believe

1946
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Speaker 1: in any inherent or absolute morality. Everything can be shifted,

1947
01:52:27,080 --> 01:52:30,600
Speaker 1: anything can be justified under the circumstances, and therefore the

1948
01:52:30,720 --> 01:52:35,280
Speaker 1: state replaces God because the state can do anything. It's

1949
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Speaker 1: just a function of power and the whims of the

1950
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Speaker 1: people living there. All right, Team, that's going to close

1951
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Speaker 1: up the show for today. As always, please check out

1952
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Speaker 1: the podcast Got a Bucks Excident with America now on iTunes.

1953
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Speaker 1: Do tell a friend about it. We're gonna have a

1954
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Speaker 1: phenomenal show this week. Got a lot of fun stuff

1955
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Speaker 1: planned for you. Until next time, As always, my beloved

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