1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Well, what's up. That's why you put Angela Gee. I'm 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Angela Gee, and. 3 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 2: Y'all know I'm always trying to bring you information from 4 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 2: sources who I feel like. Listen, they tell you have 5 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 2: somebody smarter than you in the room in cases where 6 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 2: you don't know everything. And that's why Rochelle Richie is 7 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 2: here with me today. Thank you for joining me. 8 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 3: Thank you, Angela, thank you for having me. 9 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: And I've been telling you this for years now. 10 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: We've been wanting to do something together because I do 11 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: appreciate watching your point of view on things, the information 12 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: that you have. It is an election year and I 13 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: know they always say, you know you got to vote. 14 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: Our life depends on it, and this year is so important. 15 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: Every year is important. But we do have a lot 16 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: in the balance here. So you're a political strategist. You've worked, 17 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: you know, at at the White House on the hills, 18 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: on the hill that's. 19 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: Called on the Hill. 20 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: See, you've worked on the Hill. You know, you've worked 21 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,959 Speaker 2: for Marilyn Moseby. You're a reporter, you do everything. So 22 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 2: just let people know how you identify yourself, because I 23 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: don't want to mess it up. 24 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 4: No, you're okay, I identify myself as a political commentator, 25 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 4: freelance that just likes to get the truth out to people. 26 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 4: I did work for Marilyn Moseby. She was a prosecutor 27 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 4: in Baltimore during the Freddie Gray case. I served as 28 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 4: a press secretary on the Hill on the Hill for 29 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 4: House Democrats, and you know, I've worked as a senior 30 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 4: media advisor for congress members as well. And I just 31 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 4: think that it's important that this election, like you said, 32 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 4: it's critical. And I'll admit, Angela, I was one of 33 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 4: those people that I was unsure who am I voting for? 34 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 35 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 4: I wasn't clear. And part of it was because and 36 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 4: I think a lot of black people are looking at 37 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 4: it like this too. I was looking at my money 38 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 4: and I was saying, under a Trump presidency, I had 39 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 4: a few more dollars on my paycheck. But I had 40 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 4: to look at the bigger picture and say, but at 41 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 4: what expense does that come? That comes at the expense 42 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 4: of my freedom of choice, That comes at the expense 43 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 4: of possibly being able to go to the polls and 44 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 4: even vote. Because we see what's happening down in Georgia 45 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 4: when people are heading to the polls and they and 46 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 4: somebody gives them a bottle of water. The fact now 47 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 4: that in Georgia you can be arrested for that is insane. 48 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 4: And so even though I don't live in the state 49 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 4: of Georgia right now, I still have to think about 50 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 4: my people. 51 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 2: And so it's not just about your paycheck and a 52 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: few extra dollars in your check. It's about what are 53 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: we giving up in order to have these few dollars 54 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 2: extra exactly. 55 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 4: And that's what a lot of black people are very 56 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 4: concerned about right now with this. They're concerned about the economy. 57 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 4: Everything is way too high inflation, and they feel like 58 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 4: they were doing better under a Trump presidency. But understand this, 59 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 4: during COVID, there was money coming out. You were being 60 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 4: given checks, you were being given two thousand dollars six 61 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 4: hundred dollars stimulus checks. You're not getting those checks anymore. 62 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 4: So it feels like Biden's economy is not as strong 63 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 4: as Donald Trump's economy was. But the fact is that 64 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 4: Biden's not giving you any money right right, So it's 65 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 4: easier to think that oh, I was getting all this 66 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 4: and that there were pepp lungs, all of this was 67 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 4: coming now and I was doing much better. 68 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: But not necessarily was that Donald Trump and the Republicans 69 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: that wanted to give that money. Now, from my understanding, 70 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: they weren't the ones that signed. 71 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 4: Now a matter of fact, Donald Trump said that he 72 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 4: would vote against the stimulus package during COVID. He ultimately 73 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,399 Speaker 4: obviously turned around and voted for it. But let's look 74 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 4: at it. 75 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: And how that those techs that he could sign his 76 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: name on it exactly. 77 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 4: And you have to think that in the House you 78 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 4: had one hundred I think I think it was like 79 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 4: one hundred and thirty one House Democrats that voted for 80 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 4: the stimulus. 81 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 3: You had some one hundred plus Republicans that voted. 82 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: Against it, but want to take credit when people they 83 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: take credit. 84 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: Because they had a Republican president. 85 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 4: And so I understand, especially when it comes to black men, 86 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,119 Speaker 4: that is one of the That is the voting base 87 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 4: that I think Democrats are really lacking on targeting for 88 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 4: this election, and they're very concerned about the economy. There 89 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 4: is too much of a message coming from the Democratic 90 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 4: Party that is focused on. 91 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 3: You know, fear and defeat right where we. 92 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 4: Need to be having a conversation where we are focused 93 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 4: on hope and power, because if we sit at home 94 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 4: on our hands and we don't go out to the 95 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 4: polls and vote, nothing changes. And I'm not here to 96 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,559 Speaker 4: tell anybody who to vote for. I just want people 97 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 4: to vote. I want people to be informed voters, not emotional. 98 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: And you know what's really hard about being an informed 99 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 2: voter right now is there's so many different things coming 100 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 2: at you, especially on social media, just snippant of things, 101 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 2: and anybody could say anything or post something and you 102 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: think it's true depending on where you're getting your news 103 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: from and what you read. 104 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 4: Well, the problem is people don't read. People read headlines, 105 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 4: they don't read articles, you know what I mean. They 106 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 4: listen to podcasts, they don't go and read policy. They're 107 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 4: not paying attention to the legislation that. 108 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 3: Is being passed. 109 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 4: And right now, you know, this election is very simple 110 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 4: for me. I posted this on my social media. I said, 111 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 4: this election is about a demimocracy and a dictatorship. And 112 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 4: under that democracy, you have reproductive rights, you have voting rights, 113 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 4: you have all these. 114 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: Things which have been restricted. 115 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 4: Right under a dictatorship you have that restriction that you 116 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 4: just mentioned. 117 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 3: It's very simple. I think black people are looking for 118 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 3: a black. 119 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 4: Agenda, and there definitely needs to be one, but we 120 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 4: as a people also need to be more clear on 121 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 4: what exactly what it is that we want, and I 122 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 4: don't think that we've been clear enough. 123 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: Now, what are some things that we should be asking 124 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: for or in your mind, not that you can for everybody, 125 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 2: but for roshow Richie, what are some things that you're 126 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: saying should be on the table? 127 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 4: Well, I definitely think that we need to. One of 128 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 4: the big issues is immigration, right, yes, and we are 129 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 4: constantly hearing about you know, Biden is failing on immigration. Well, 130 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 4: the Republicans literally just voted against their own bill because 131 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 4: Trump told them to do so. 132 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 2: Right, And is that partially also because they want to 133 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: make sure that Democrats don't get credit for passing legislation immigration. 134 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 2: They want to make sure in some of these democratic cities, 135 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: the mayors, the governors are and states are looking bad. 136 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all a political game. 137 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: Because you're from Chicago. Yeah, so Chicago has its own Yeah. 138 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 4: And listen, my cousins in Chicago are like they're tired 139 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 4: of it. They are seeing these people coming to their neighborhoods. 140 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 4: They're seeing these people just sitting on buses because obviously 141 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 4: it's freezing cold in Chicago and they're tired of it. 142 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 4: What I want to see is clear legislation, but I 143 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 4: want to make sure that when it comes to immigration, 144 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 4: the concern for black people is that these people are 145 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 4: going to be taking our jobs. You see, are getting 146 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 4: more money, they're taking our homes. All of that I 147 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 4: want to make fine. If you want to have this 148 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 4: great immigration policy, you want to open the borders to everybody, cool, 149 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 4: but make sure that the people that built this country 150 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 4: on their backs for free are still first in line. 151 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 4: That is what I want to see. What happens with 152 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 4: us is we get legislation Angela as black people, right, 153 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 4: but we don't follow up to see how has that 154 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 4: legislation been beneficial? Has it had an impact on the 155 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 4: changes that we need to see. So if we see, 156 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 4: you know, anti police brutality legislation come through, we need 157 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 4: to be monitoring that bill to see is it having 158 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 4: an impact federally or locally, because if not, we need 159 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 4: to go back to the drawing board. We cannot be satisfied, 160 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 4: which is legislation coming through and saying oh, it's all 161 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 4: it's all good. Yeah, because clearly because clearly it's not 162 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 4: because we're still having the same issues, and that's because 163 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 4: we don't. 164 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 3: Have follow up. 165 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, because even for myself as a New York City resident, 166 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: I see all the issues that we're having right now 167 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: with finding housing for migrants and also making sure they 168 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 2: have food to eat and they're getting vouchers. But on 169 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: the flip side of things, you know, housing is a 170 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: huge issue here in New York City as it is 171 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 2: you know, across the country. But this is a very 172 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: crowded place. But I also know we have a black mayor, 173 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: and I also know that, you know, it's not easy 174 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: to figure out what do you do with everybody because 175 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: you can't just have people outside and they're bussing people here, 176 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 2: so it's not like they're just coming here on their own. 177 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: People, Well, they're busting. 178 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 4: People here because the governor Governor Abbott. I think in 179 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 4: Texas it's like, look, I don't want to deal with 180 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 4: this anymore to you. You've made a sanctuary city, you 181 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 4: deal with it. And now we're sort of seeing what 182 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 4: happens in Texas and we're experiencing that for ourselves without 183 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 4: the resources really to even handle. And I don't know 184 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 4: why anybody would come if I was an immigrant, don't 185 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 4: send me to Chicago. 186 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 2: You don't know what they're telling them too, right, they 187 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: don't know where they're going, which you're being told. They're 188 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 2: telling you get on this bus and we'll have a 189 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: job for you and we'll have this. And so you're thinking, Okay, amazing, 190 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 2: that's what I'm here for, Like, I want to work, 191 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 2: I want to do these things. And then it's when 192 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: you get there, there's nowhere to go. 193 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: What am I doing? 194 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 4: Right? So, I think immigration is obviously a major issue 195 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 4: for black people. We've heard the conversations around reparations. Obviously 196 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 4: that's been more state folk now than federally. I think federally, 197 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 4: like I don't know if it's even possible. 198 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 3: But I also think that we want to make sure 199 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 3: that our right to vote is obviously protected. 200 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: But woman's right to. 201 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 3: Choose, a woman's right to choose. 202 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 4: All of those things, right are what we are sort 203 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 4: of voting for, or really voting for in this election. 204 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 4: But one of the things that you and I talked 205 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 4: about is there's got to be more responsibility and when 206 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 4: people get on this mic and they talk about these 207 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 4: issues and the digital platforms that are sharing political information. 208 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 4: It cannot just be clickbait. We have got to be 209 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 4: more responsible. We have got to have people. It's okay 210 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 4: if the host doesn't know as much about whatever is 211 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 4: going on politically, right, it's not everybody's ministry, but you 212 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 4: need to make sure that you have people that are 213 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 4: coming in and they understand the power of this mic. 214 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 4: And they're not red carpet activists okay, that are just 215 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 4: doing this to get some clicks, to get some followers 216 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 4: or whatever. They are doing this work every single day. 217 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 4: And those people are out there. Maybe they don't have 218 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 4: a million followers, maybe they're not on national news and 219 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 4: all of those platforms, but they are the grassroots people 220 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 4: who are doing this work every single day, not just 221 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 4: when it's popular. 222 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: So why do you think that those aren't the people 223 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 2: who are being more highlighted when it comes to media 224 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 2: and mainstream. 225 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 3: News because they don't have the followers. That's it, all right, 226 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 3: It's literally that simple viral. 227 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 4: Their digital currency is not as strong, but the work 228 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 4: they are doing is. And I think if you have 229 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 4: the right people on your team that can say listen. 230 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 4: They might only have a thousand followers or so, but 231 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 4: look at what they're doing in their communities. 232 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 2: And you know, this is not easy where you even 233 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 2: had situations where you are being threatened as a reporter 234 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 2: as well. 235 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 236 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 4: Absolutely. I went on to Fox News, which I did 237 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 4: quite often. I said something about Kanye West when he 238 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 4: was on his Trump train and a guy by the 239 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 4: name of Caesar Sayak had threatened to drown my body 240 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 4: and the Everglades, and I actually had reported it to 241 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 4: what is I guess formerly now known as Twitter. 242 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 3: They didn't think it was a credible they didn't think 243 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 3: it was a credible threat. 244 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 4: Well, it turns out that Caesar Sayak was a guy 245 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 4: that was sending pipe bombs to politicians, to national networks 246 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 4: and everything. And then Twitter issued me and apology. This 247 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 4: is not easy work, it's not fun, and there are 248 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 4: people that are really putting their lives on the line 249 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 4: every single day to do this and they deserve to 250 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 4: be heard. 251 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, absolutely. 252 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: And what responsibility should social media have because we see 253 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 2: with Facebook things that have happened with the election, with 254 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: the advertising and the things that they run, and then 255 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 2: we see Elon Musk with X just so many different things, 256 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 2: and obviously Facebook also owns Instagram. 257 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: What should be happening. 258 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:54,599 Speaker 2: As far as any legislation to control things being factual 259 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 2: when they're posted. 260 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 4: That's hard because then you get into a sense of censorship, 261 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 4: and I think we always have to be very careful 262 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 4: about opening Pandora's box. We want to censor people when 263 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 4: it's something that we don't like to hear. So, but 264 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 4: then there could be a moment where there's something that 265 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 4: you say that actually does need to be heard and 266 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 4: someone's like, no, that's not we don't want to hear 267 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 4: that either. It's a very delicate situation. But I think 268 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 4: that for black people in particular, because that black voters 269 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 4: are my focus. I think for us in particular, the 270 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 4: platforms where we get our news, you know, the popular 271 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 4: the Shade rooms, the Jasmine brands, the Spiritual worlds, the 272 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 4: way up with Angelogu, those places. I think that those 273 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 4: places have to be where we are saying we're going 274 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 4: to do a better job at fact checking, We're going 275 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 4: to be a better job. 276 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: You're going to reach out. 277 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 2: You're a media outlet, You're going to reach out to 278 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 2: get a firsthand comment from a spokesperson. That's what especially 279 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: when it comes to politics. 280 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 4: Because people are literally just looking at the image and 281 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 4: they're reading what the image is and that's it. 282 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 3: They're not going they're not doing a deeper dive. 283 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 4: You can tell them all day long, oh Linco is 284 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 4: in our go to our website, Lincoln on our page. 285 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 4: Most people aren't going to click on that to read anything. 286 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 4: They're seeing that that Sexy Red said that Trump that 287 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 4: the hood messages with Trump because he gave us all 288 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 4: this money. 289 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 3: It's not saying well true. 290 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 4: However, he also voted against it, and Republicans also voted 291 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 4: against it, but it was House Democrats that were the 292 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 4: ones that were really pushing it through. That that's fine, 293 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 4: that's not shading sexy Red, right, but it's saying like, 294 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 4: let's inform her, right, Let's inform her so she's prepared 295 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 4: when she goes onto these platforms that she is informed. 296 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 2: Now, let me ask you this, because we're talking about, 297 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 2: like your main concern is to black vote right, and 298 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: we want to make sure that people are getting the 299 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 2: right information and also going out to make sure their 300 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: restiss is to vote voting being informed about who they're 301 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 2: voting for. When people show these polls, now, is that 302 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 2: something that we should pay attention to because I know 303 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: it's still early for us to look at that, and 304 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 2: a lot of times it doesn't correlate to what happens 305 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 2: in reality. But when we're looking at these poles and 306 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: what they're saying, is this the time to be looking 307 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 2: at numbers? 308 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 4: You know those poles are so people like to use poles. 309 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 4: I mean, I'll admit it. 310 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 3: I do it too. 311 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 4: I love to use the polls and the stats because 312 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 4: it makes me sound smarter and one and form. But 313 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 4: there's such a margin of error sometimes with them. And 314 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 4: also I think it was when Obama was running for president, 315 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 4: he was trailing behind. Everyone's thinking like, oh, he's not 316 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 4: gonna win because he was trailing behind Romney and New 317 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 4: Gingrich at the time. 318 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 3: But he ended up winning, even though all. 319 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 4: The poles were saying like, oh, he's trailing, there's no 320 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 4: way it's going to happen. So I take those with 321 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 4: a grain of salt. But I do think that right 322 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 4: now there is I'm going to use this percentage because 323 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 4: I think it's pretty shocking that, you know, twenty percent 324 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 4: of black people were saying that if they voted today, 325 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 4: they would vote for Trump. 326 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 2: Now, what is this as lesson with Trump? You got 327 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: to explain this to me, because I don't know. I've 328 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 2: been watching everything that's been happening. He has his three 329 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty five million dollar judgment now, you know, 330 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: for lying about his numbers and planning his numbers is fraud. 331 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 2: And then in addition to that, everything with Egy and Carrol, 332 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 2: which I feel like doesn't get talked about a whole 333 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: lot right case. I feel like somebody with all of 334 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 2: this shouldn't even be eligible to run for president. 335 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 3: Well, that's what they're trying to do. 336 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: You know, in certain states they are, especially. 337 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 3: With Fanny, you know, the district attorney. 338 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 4: If we talk about that Fanni, I always say Fannie Willis, 339 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 4: especially with her down down in Georgia. I think that 340 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 4: Trump presents such a realness to him. He's not trying 341 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 4: to persuade, he's not trying to be anybody else than himself. 342 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 4: And I think that there's some people that sort of 343 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 4: appreciate that rawness. 344 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:56,479 Speaker 3: That he delivers. 345 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 4: I think they are somewhat also entertained by him. And 346 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 4: when you look at all the court stuff that he's 347 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 4: going through, some people kind of resonate with the system 348 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 4: trying to bring you down and trying. 349 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 3: To keep you you know what I mean. 350 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 4: So I think that's what it is. But I think 351 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 4: that for a lot it's money. It comes down to 352 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 4: the economy. Democrats are still running this this and people 353 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 4: also like the idea michell Overcome campaign and. 354 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 2: It's not out of our closing the borders. People love 355 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 2: that idea too, that and Trump brings that also, right 356 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 2: because they're seeing what's happening here. So for Trump, this 357 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: is great that there's a lot of chaos when it 358 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: comes to no legislation when it comes to immigration, because 359 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: it makes it look like he needs to come in 360 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 2: and save the day and he's going to be really 361 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: tough on that. 362 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that's also one of the things 363 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 4: that makes him attractive too. But I you know, I 364 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 4: still think that we have to What I look at 365 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 4: is I fear his supporters being emboldened by another one 366 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 4: of his presidencies. And I'm talking about the January January 367 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 4: sixth type of reporter supporters. Those are the people that 368 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 4: concern me, and I think another presidency, I think we 369 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 4: will see more Charlottesville. 370 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 2: I think we will say definitely rampant and people felt 371 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 2: very emboldened, like you said to be outside and saying 372 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 2: negative things and attacking black people and racist things. 373 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: DEI is under attack as well. 374 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 3: Right, so we lose. I mean, think of the things 375 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 3: that have happened. 376 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 4: We've seen roph Wade, gone, affirmative action, particularly when it 377 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 4: comes to higher academic academia gone. People think that these 378 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 4: things can happen. It's not just about Trump being elected 379 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 4: into office. It's about who is he appointed to the courts, 380 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 4: who is on his cabinet, Who is going to be 381 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 4: heading up some of these the Department of Education, the 382 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 4: Department of Defense, the dj who is going to be 383 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 4: heading those things up. We cannot just think Trump Biden. 384 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 4: We have to look at who is his team and 385 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 4: also think about the fat when you're voting for your 386 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 4: members of Congress or your local officials. These people, some 387 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 4: of these people are so scared of Trump they'll do 388 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 4: whatever he says. Congress is supposed to be the ones 389 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 4: that holds the president accountable. And if you have just 390 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 4: a bunch of yes people to a man who was 391 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 4: able to use his rhetoric to drive people to go 392 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 4: into our people die, that is scary and that is 393 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 4: dangerous and I'm not sure if that's worth an extra 394 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 4: thousand dollars on my paycheck. 395 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 2: Now, let's talk about Joe Biden since he is running again, 396 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 2: and how would you rate his presidency. 397 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm bored. I mean I can't. I can't 398 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 3: rate it in a way with numbers. 399 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 2: As far as accomplishments, right because I feel like there's 400 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 2: not enough discussion about what has been done. Everybody says 401 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 2: he hasn't done anything. That's what the rhetoric is. But 402 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 2: I want to be clear that that's not true. 403 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 4: No, it's not true. He's actually created more jobs. The 404 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 4: unemployment numbers for black people particular has gone down. I 405 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 4: think that they don't do a better job at selling 406 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 4: what they have done. I think they are I think 407 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 4: they're too quiet. I think a lot of the Democrats 408 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 4: are way too quiet when it comes to the successes 409 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 4: of the Biden administration. Right now, Trump is eating up 410 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 4: the airways with all of his legal his legal issues, 411 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 4: which is which is causing the networks to also focus 412 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 4: more and more on Trump. 413 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: That sneak. 414 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 3: Craziest. That was crazy to me, the sneaker con thing. 415 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 3: It was crazy. 416 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 4: But I think, but I think that the Biden administration, 417 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 4: or at least the campaign has hired I don't know 418 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 4: her name, so forgive me, but I know she's a 419 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 4: black woman. They've hired someone to try to start and 420 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 4: driving that messaging to black that like two years ago 421 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 4: they should have. 422 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,479 Speaker 2: But honestly, because I do feel like there's this oh, 423 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 2: he hasn't done anything. 424 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: They promised this, it didn't happen. 425 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 2: But people also, so if you understand how the law, 426 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 2: the legal system works, and how legislation gets passed, it's 427 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 2: not just up. 428 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: To the president. 429 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 2: It's not at all. It's not it's not just the 430 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 2: executive brands. There's a lot of things that play here 431 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 2: and a lot of things getting blocked. 432 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 4: But when you look at it, I actually focus very 433 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 4: much so more on what's being taken away from us 434 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 4: than what's being given. 435 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 3: Okay, so that's how I look at it. So when 436 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 3: I mentioned Roe v. 437 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 4: Wade, the affirmative action of the attacks on DEI I'm 438 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 4: looking at what is being taken away from me by 439 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 4: the other party, and so that's where my focus is. 440 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 3: You know, I have for me. 441 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 4: I feel like I'm I'm more responsible for just my 442 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 4: livelihood in general. But when you start taking away things 443 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 4: that impact my livelihood. Then that's when I'm like looking 444 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 4: at that other party, like this might be be a 445 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 4: better option because these are this this decision, this election 446 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 4: is going to have generational, a generational impact. This is 447 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 4: not going to be just oh, four years of Trump 448 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 4: and will be okay, right when he appoints people to 449 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 4: the courts and when he has people, if he has 450 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 4: control of the Senate, in the House and the Executive office, 451 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 4: who knows what's gonna come. 452 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 2: What do you think will energize people to get up 453 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 2: and vote and make sure that they're registered and make 454 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 2: sure that they're informed. And what are ways that that 455 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 2: can happen? Because I feel like everyone's trying to figure 456 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 2: that out right now. 457 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 4: I think people have to look at very simple, like 458 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 4: I said earlier, democracy, dictatorship. What do you get under democracy? 459 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 4: What do you get under a dictatorship? It's that simple. 460 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 4: And if you're okay with someone who comes in and says, 461 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 4: on day one I will be a dictator, then by 462 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 4: all means, go vote for Trump. But if you still 463 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 4: want to have choice in this country, if you don't 464 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 4: want to be censored, if you want to be able 465 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 4: to go to the polls and vote and be safe 466 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 4: while doing it and not suffer any sort of legal 467 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 4: repercussions because you gave somebody an umbrella because it was 468 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:00,479 Speaker 4: raining or whatever. 469 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 3: Then there you go. 470 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 2: All right, Well, listen, I hope that, like I told 471 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 2: you this before, I know you live in DC, but 472 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 2: I'm hoping that you'll be able to come through. As 473 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 2: we're having this really huge election year. We always know 474 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 2: it's always a critical time to make sure you're paying attention, 475 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 2: but this year is super important. And I know they're like, oh, 476 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 2: everybody says that, but it definitely is a critical time. 477 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 2: As we're watching this feels like a movie that we're 478 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 2: living in. I'm not gonna lie. 479 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 4: I will be sitting in front of the TV with 480 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 4: my popcorn on election Day just waiting to see what's 481 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 4: gonna happen. 482 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: Ooh please, Lord, don't let my heart sink. 483 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: And last day, I want to ask you when people 484 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,719 Speaker 2: say that Joe Biden is too old, right and you know, 485 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 2: he's suffering and they feel like he has dementia and 486 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 2: things like that, what are your thoughts about that? 487 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 4: You know, I saw the press conference that he did 488 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 4: and where he was being asked about his age, and 489 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 4: you know, remembering something about, you know, his son's death, 490 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 4: and I just I just found it to be very, 491 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 4: very sad. Actually, I don't think that his age discredits him. 492 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 4: I think that until this man goes off and gives 493 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 4: a nuclear code to somebody, then we all need to 494 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 4: calm down. 495 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 3: It's okay. 496 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 2: Now there's also rumors, and so you can confirm or 497 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 2: deny this. But I know that you know Michelle Obama, 498 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 2: You've actually did a great interview with her some time ago. 499 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: But they're saying that maybe she might run. 500 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 4: You know, I have heard that as well, but she 501 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 4: has always been adamant that she would not run for 502 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 4: president of the United States. 503 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,719 Speaker 1: But it's a state of emergency. 504 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,479 Speaker 4: Right, I think, given the circumstances, is kind of like, listen, 505 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 4: you got to save the country. I think if a 506 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 4: I think if Michelle Obama ran for office. 507 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 2: It's a slanted first black woman president from Chicago. Do 508 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 2: you know how many people from Chicago? Do you know 509 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 2: how many people would be energized to vote? But you 510 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 2: know what I realized from when Hillary Clinton ran also, 511 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 2: people are so misogynistic, and they are. 512 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, but it's just that I also do not 513 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: discount that you know what I'm saying, the fact. 514 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 4: That I think she is there. I think she's a 515 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 4: Republican's party. Party's biggest fear is a Michelle Obama. 516 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 1: You need to look back up with her. 517 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 4: I wish I couldn't be so long ago when I 518 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 4: interviewed her. I got it, that's right, and that's why 519 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 4: we got day was at that time she was just 520 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 4: they were campaigning. This was right before Barack one or 521 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 4: President Obama. Way, be respectful, that's your boy. No, it's 522 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 4: Chicago when President Obama ran for office. The first time 523 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 4: I interviewed her, and that was before all that she 524 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 4: is now. 525 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 2: So well, you know what, let's hope that something like 526 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 2: that could happen. But people do want to see hope, yeah, hope, Yeah, yeah, people. 527 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 3: Do want to see other candidates. There was a I 528 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 3: think it was the Wash. 529 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna I'm not going to quote an outlet, 530 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 4: but there was a poll that showed that seventy seventeen 531 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 4: percent of black voters in particular wanted to vote for 532 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 4: somebody else other than Biden or Trump. 533 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 2: Who else would you like to see, right, hmmm, I 534 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 2: don't know. Besides Michelle Obama. 535 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 4: Besides Michelle Obama. Well, I mentioned to you Hakeem Jeffreys. Okay, 536 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 4: I think he's strong, but I don't think this is 537 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 4: I don't think this is it. 538 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's and he also I think feels a big 539 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 2: responsibility for right now yeah, right. 540 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: Now, for his position as a speaker. 541 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, so right now, not him. 542 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 4: But I would definitely say in a couple of years, 543 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 4: I could see possibly a hakim dress. 544 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: That's my congressman. 545 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 2: Okay, let's go all right, Well, Rochelle, where can people 546 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 2: find you? 547 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 4: Also Instagram at Rochelle Richie. Where am I ex at 548 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 4: Rochelle Richie. Everything's at Rochelle Richie. 549 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: Good. 550 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 2: We love that you have your name available for you. 551 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 2: That's not an easy thing to do. But no, I 552 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 2: really do appreciate you. Like I said, I've always watched 553 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 2: your work and I appreciate like the voice that you've had. 554 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 2: You know. I remember you cut your hair yea on television. 555 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 2: That was a big moment. 556 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm still this is still my natural hair, 557 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 4: I said. I told somebody, I was like, I'm going 558 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 4: back to the roller Rats in the I'm going back 559 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 4: to the nineties. 560 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 3: I'm going back to that now. 561 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 2: But honestly like love to see your face and to 562 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 2: hear your voice and what you have to say, because 563 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: that's what we need. People who are informed, who know 564 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 2: what's going on and can pass that real information onto us, 565 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 2: just from your background, everything you've been doing. And yeah, 566 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 2: so please come back and join me like regularly anytime, 567 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: all right, Roscha Richie. 568 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: Guys, thank you for