1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: Kevin was not a man walking down the street that 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: got in an altercation with somebody. Kevin was drug out 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: of our office in the streets of Sacramento and beaten 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: to death. 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 2: That's the sort of thing that happens in blue cities 6 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 2: in the middle of the day. 7 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 3: That's the voice of Topo Padilla, longtime friend of the 8 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 3: Armstrong and Getty Show, longtime part of Greg Padilla bail 9 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 3: Bond's Sacramento institution, and his friend employee. Kevin Brace was 10 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 3: the victim in question, literally dragged out of the office 11 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 3: and beaten to death. Topo Padilla joins us to discuss 12 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 3: the crime and the greater meaning of it. I know 13 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 3: this is painful, Topo, but thanks for coming on. 14 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 1: It is and I want to thank you both. You've 15 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: guys got a far reaching voice of meaningful change that 16 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: hopefully we can make in Kevin's memory, and I pray 17 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: to the Good Lord nobody else's memory in the coming future. 18 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: But I highly doubt that. 19 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: So so the scumbag who did it. Are they in custody? 20 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, he just said, you know, kind of puts some 21 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: color into this because it needs to, because, as I said, 22 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: these people in the city council, and these leaders, they 23 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: have the ear muff one. They don't hear what we say. 24 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: Kevin was minding his own business. Guy comes to the 25 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: door and asks to be use the phone. Him and 26 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: Kevin exchanged words about the phone. Kevin offers to make 27 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: phone call. Kevin cracks the door, He drags the door 28 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: open and literally beat him to death with his hands 29 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: and his feet. No person in their right mind, no 30 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: drunk person. I don't care if you're a point two 31 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: to zero could beat a man the way this man 32 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: beat it. 33 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 2: So. 34 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of a monster is, but 35 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: a monster he is. And there are monsters wandering our 36 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: streets all over this city and cities throughout this country. 37 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: Tell us about Kevin Kevin. Oh gosh, Kevin is such 38 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: a simple man. And you know you always hear this 39 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: about people after they pass. Oh gosh, he's a teddy 40 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: bear and the popsicles new Kevin was a simple man. 41 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: I was talking to his wife, Wendy, and I truly 42 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: want to send out my condolences or Windy's such a 43 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: sweet person. Kevin and Windy are two very simple people. 44 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: They didn't live a big life of color and flame 45 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: and traveling and doing all this stuff. Kevin loved the 46 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: A's and the Giants, he loved the Raiders and the 47 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: forty nine ers. He was just a quiet guy who guys. 48 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: He never wanted to work day shift. He always wanted 49 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: to work that graveyard shift. And you could tell me, hey, 50 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: I want to help the people who need to. 51 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 3: Help at night. 52 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: So that he did this for thirty four years working 53 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: the graveyard shift in the bail bond profession. He did 54 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: that for thirty four years, working for US for fourteen 55 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: of those. 56 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 3: The world of crime and justice is not something you 57 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 3: read about in the paper. You and your business and 58 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 3: your family. You see it every day. You're fully aware 59 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 3: of the reality of it. What has gone wrong? What 60 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 3: the hell is going on in California in terms of 61 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 3: crime and justice? 62 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: I know you guys know me, and you know I'm 63 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: not afraid to speak my mind. I finally came up 64 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: with a metaphor, and I asked some people the other day. 65 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: And I was meeting with Assume city leaders yesterday and 66 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: I said, would you all jump into seven forty seven 67 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: and let me fly you overseas? And now it looked 68 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: at me like, no, hell, no, what is The problem 69 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: is we have city leaders, and I'm talking about our 70 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: mayor and some other people that are in charge of 71 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: our police chiefs. You see, you don't see these kind 72 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: of problems in Eldorado County, in Sacramento County outside of 73 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: the city and other counties because sheriffs don't have a 74 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: mayor that is on their butt telling him how they 75 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: will police. And in these cities we have city leaders, 76 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: and in particular in Sacramento, we have Darryl Steinberg. He 77 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: doesn't know how to He can't operate a business of 78 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: dealing with people in public safety and crime and law 79 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: and order. He has no idea, just like I don't 80 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: know how to fly seven forty some He can't manage that. 81 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: So what do you ought to do? If he had 82 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: any guts, if he's any kind of leader, he did this, 83 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: step down and say somebody else take the helm. I 84 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: haven't done this in this many years, or he would say, hey, 85 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: you take care of this. The last thing that man 86 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: needs to do, or Katie Balins, what he needs to 87 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: do is to tell Chief Kathy Luster or any of 88 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: her men and women how to go do their job. 89 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: And the last thing I want to say on. That 90 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: is what they do is they listen to the loud 91 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: potbangers who don't go to work, who come down there, 92 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: who rally, who jump up on the stage of a 93 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: city council meeting and raise hell and have them affect 94 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: change change in their way that affects all the people 95 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: in our community that just want to live a good life. Right. 96 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 3: Two things. Number one, you're absolutely right. The radicals know 97 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,119 Speaker 3: how to get attention and make noise and then sway 98 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 3: city councils even though they are a tiny, tiny minority 99 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 3: the population in terms of the way they see the 100 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: world and crime and justice. The other thing is I 101 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 3: absolutely can hear our listeners in la in the Bay Area, 102 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 3: in Portland, in Seattle, in Chicago, in Philadelphia all saying, hey, wow, 103 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 3: different list of names in our cities. Exactly the same 104 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 3: thing is going on. The backlash is started, but it's 105 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 3: way too slow. 106 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 107 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 2: The only problem I have with your metaphor, Tobo, is 108 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: it's not that these people don't know how to run cities. 109 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: They have a different philosophy. It'd be more like if 110 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 2: you were the pilot to the plane and your philosophy 111 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 2: is to fly it into a mountain. Because that's what 112 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,119 Speaker 2: you believe is the right thing to do. These people 113 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 2: believe it's the right thing to do to not arrest criminals. 114 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 2: I don't understand how they came to that conclusion, but 115 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: that's what they think is the way to run a city. 116 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 3: I think it's both. You have the radicals and then 117 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 3: you have the ignoramuses who think they're doing the right thing. 118 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 3: Go ahead, Tobo. 119 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: You guys have known me long enough. I've been a 120 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: bail bonzan for forty one years. I'm not here to 121 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: have to keep for bail bones. This isn't say bail 122 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: bone day. But you know, people got to understand we 123 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: in the bail bonn profession, we do this. We are 124 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: dealing with people that have been arrested. We're dealing with 125 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: people that have a problem in life, and what we 126 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: want to do is see them be held accountable. If 127 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: they're guilty, go to jail, or go get the help 128 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: they need to change their lives. And we don't just 129 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: get people out of jail and go, oh fly, be free, Gush, 130 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: We're sorry you got arrested by these bad police. But 131 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: what people have to realize they're down there banging these 132 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: pots we're actually trying to help the people in their 133 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: community that are getting arrested and seek change. This guy 134 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: that did this, he was arrested twice for resisting arrest, 135 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: and he was convicted twice of a resisting arrest from 136 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: a police officer, and both times he got informal probation, 137 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: which is nothing. 138 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: And resisting arrest is fighting a cop. 139 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: Basically, that's exactly right. And his third charge will come 140 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: and miss because he was as he was being detained, 141 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: beat up and heard an officer and it took you know, 142 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you this and this is going 143 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: to get colorful that you bare may not want to hear. 144 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: And I'm sorry. But when the police responded, one of 145 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: the officers responded to Kevin and was given him CPR. 146 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: The other officer was trying to arrest to Dane, the 147 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: murderer that did this, and the officer was getting not 148 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: having the best luck of resting this guy. That officer 149 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: had to stop giving Kevin CPR and go to the 150 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: officer's aid. And I hope that resonnates with Darryl Steinberg 151 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: and Katie Venezuela and every other city leader who thinks 152 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: they know how to run and I'm sorry for getting emotional. 153 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: Who thinks they know how to run a police department? 154 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: So Jack to correct kind of my metaphor, I want 155 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: to say this what they ought to do. Step out 156 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: of the way of these leaders of our police Cmharten, 157 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: because Kathy Lester and other police chiefs throughout this state 158 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: know how to be cops. But they put that city government. 159 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: These city leaders put a bit in their mouth and 160 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: say whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, back up, don't go. These 161 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: are homeless people. I'm not worried about homeless people. I'm 162 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: worried about people that are walking the streets like zombies 163 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: that are under the influence of narcotics that will allow 164 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: them to beat up six cops at one time. These 165 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: are not homeless people. 166 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 3: TELLPO thanks for coming on, Sorry for your loss. No, no, no, 167 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 3: not at all. Good to talk to you. I'm sorry. 168 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 3: It's under this terrible set of circumstances. 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