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Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in

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Speaker 1: partnership with Higheartradiotazi Katie.

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Speaker 2: All I want today is popcorn.

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Speaker 1: I want food so bad, any kind of food, so

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Speaker 1: do I.

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Speaker 3: But before we get to snack time, there are people

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Speaker 3: who are here to hang out with us.

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Speaker 1: Germo, do you know, I am so freaking hyped for

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Speaker 1: these folks that are coming to chill with us.

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Speaker 3: I am too, Like Beyond, We're very excited because today's

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Speaker 3: guest is someone who's going to take us behind the scenes.

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Speaker 3: She is the of this episode and she is a dear,

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Speaker 3: dear friend who Giermo and her laughed on set all

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Speaker 3: the time.

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Speaker 2: We love her so much, one of our favorite people

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Speaker 2: on ever.

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Speaker 1: The whole of her proove Scandal.

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Speaker 3: This woman, she's so freaking fancy because she started on

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Speaker 3: Scandal as like.

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Speaker 2: A baby writer, researcher assistant.

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Speaker 3: She build up the ladder she was on Off the Map,

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Speaker 3: she was on Gray's Anatomy, and then she was on Scandal,

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Speaker 3: and now she's a showrunner of her own show that

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Speaker 3: Kerrie Washington executive produces, called Reasonable Doubt.

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Speaker 1: She's killing it in the game.

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Speaker 3: Oh, she's killing it in the game. She's got so

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Speaker 3: many shows in her that I can't wait to watch.

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Speaker 2: We love her.

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Speaker 3: Her name is Ramala Mohammed and she's the best Ramala.

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Speaker 3: As if that wasn't enough for y'all. Before we talked

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Speaker 3: to Ramla, We're gonna talk to somebody else.

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Speaker 1: Somebody that's on freaking one of the most popular late night.

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Speaker 2: Talk shows in the history of late night talks, and talk.

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Speaker 1: About being in the game and killing the game. He

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Speaker 1: is killing that late show game for years now. And

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Speaker 1: he was a huge fan of Scandal.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he was so supportive of the show. He had

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Speaker 3: us all on his guests multiple times. He did special skits.

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Speaker 3: We did a prank to Joshu Molina, and we just

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Speaker 3: funniest people of all time and I'm just very excited

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Speaker 3: to bring him to you. Before we talked to Ramla Mohammed,

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Speaker 3: we are.

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Speaker 2: Having Jimmimmy kim come on. I am the biggest Jimmy

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Speaker 2: Kimmel fan. I I can't, I can't.

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Speaker 3: And the fact that this genius is on ABC and

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Speaker 3: we were on an ABC show for as long as

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Speaker 3: we were and those.

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Speaker 4: Were fun days, right I mean, we had a lot

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Speaker 4: of man great bits and a lot of fun, and

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Speaker 4: you guys were the last time we ever had strong

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Speaker 4: ratings in the ten to eleven o'clocks.

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Speaker 3: That is not true, but for everybody listening, Jimmy literally

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Speaker 3: we were all terrified, and you were so loving and

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Speaker 3: were a blast. But really the culmination of our Jimmy

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was That was the That was the finale,

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Speaker 5: And literally the finale that was you know, Josh.

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Speaker 4: I have to say, I really I love Josh and

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Speaker 5: Things though he would do to you, just like what

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Speaker 1: He he left a voicemail with a different but he

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Speaker 1: distorted his voice and left a voicemail on my phone.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy, he got that.

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Speaker 1: I know I hate you, Jimmy, and he left him

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Speaker 1: City Police Department. You've done something really wrong. You need

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Speaker 1: And then the Josh finally like cap to it, and

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Speaker 3: Is it correct to me that you gave that to him?

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Speaker 3: On April Fool's there there was an there was an

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Speaker 3: Number one, you could text someone from someone else's number,

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Speaker 1: He did that with you, right, Katie, He did that

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Speaker 4: The other one was you could call somebody and it

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Speaker 4: It was like a three way call, and you could

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Speaker 4: But I had a few people in my life who

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Speaker 4: one of them. And while he was while he was

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Speaker 5: Busy wreaking havoc.

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Speaker 4: I took it to Italy and I spent the whole

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Speaker 4: my aunt Chippy to a friend that she hadn't spoken

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Speaker 5: So that's all that's my fault. I apologize for that.

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Speaker 3: No job, like, how do you guys know each other?

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Speaker 3: Like why and why are you prankster?

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Speaker 1: Why are you friends with him?

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Speaker 5: No, you know what it is.

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Speaker 4: And so I, you know, I of course was interested

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, he loves it like he gets like

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Speaker 3: That same app he called me said it was us Weekly.

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Speaker 3: And what made you have the idea that we were

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Speaker 5: So sorry are you? I meant this to be a

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Speaker 4: And he was really really freaking out because then we

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Speaker 4: Then, as if that wasn't bad enough, and then, because

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Speaker 4: I never liked to just leave a prank hanging, no,

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Speaker 4: We wheeled him outside, and then Giermo turned a fire

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Speaker 3: But hosed him down with a fire hose, which, let

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Speaker 5: Who eats half of an olive?

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Speaker 5: The worst, worst, worst.

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Speaker 3: heard you can sing, like, will you show up and

447
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,159
Speaker 3: sing again? Like some We're gonna change the lyrics of

448
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 3: a popular song to be about ABC. And I just

449
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,439
Speaker 3: was like, guys, I mean, if you want this to

450
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 3: be good, we need like a few days of rehearsal.

451
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,360
Speaker 3: You know, we can't just like show up and learn

452
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 3: a song and learn choreography. I mean, I am going

453
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 3: to look like an idiot.

454
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 2: And I never say no because I'm such a I'm like, yeah,

455
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,959
Speaker 2: I'll do whatever it takes. I mean we all said no.

456
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,400
Speaker 3: And then I think that that was either the Montel Jordan.

457
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 1: Year they got.

458
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 5: You know what, maybe they wanted you to sing that song.

459
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,679
Speaker 1: Oh no, they were like, we could get montell I

460
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 1: Actually I was.

461
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 3: Curious between that, Like I always was like, did Montel

462
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 3: Jordan please God tell me he got like paid a.

463
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 5: Lot, definitely got paid.

464
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,479
Speaker 2: I'm like, at the very least, please tell me he

465
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 2: made a tell.

466
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 4: Either that or they put him on a pilot that

467
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 4: they then canceled before you never.

468
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 1: Picked up fun either, but yeah.

469
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:54,639
Speaker 5: I would have.

470
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 4: I would imagine that Montell got a call and he

471
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 4: was like, uh, you know, maybe they made a few

472
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 4: calls first. They're like, okay, what about yeah, the Jackson

473
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 4: five song ABC and if that could be good and

474
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 4: they're like, yeah, no, you can't use that, Like okay,

475
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 4: all right, well let's uh, let's try for on the

476
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,239
Speaker 4: Wings of Love. Let's see if Jeffrey Osborne will say

477
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,919
Speaker 4: And Jeffrey I was like, no, yeah, I'm not going

478
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 4: to do that either.

479
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm glad we have this to share.

480
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 2: So the honestly these there are some of my top

481
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 2: scan memory.

482
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 5: I'm going to try to get a video of that.

483
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 5: This is how we do it performs.

484
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 1: I got to be on YouTube or something, right.

485
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 5: I don't think it is. I can't imagine that it is.

486
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that was just internally right.

487
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 4: It's just I will work on getting that for you,

488
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 4: and I will send it to you, and I would

489
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 4: suggest that you make sure it never ever get into

490
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 4: Josh Molina's hands.

491
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Josh, come out and dance too. I

492
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: bet you.

493
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 2: Would never He's I doubt it.

494
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 5: It was the whole cast.

495
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 1: Do you think he was the only one that was

496
00:22:58,800 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 1: like manoop?

497
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 3: But I bet Josh was just like standing in the

498
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 3: wings to make sure, whereas I'm like saying, like.

499
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 1: You know, doing the same.

500
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 2: Jimmy, thank you so much for being on this game.

501
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 5: Oh my pleasure.

502
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 4: Good good to see you guys and to chat with

503
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 4: you as well.

504
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 3: You are just the best and I have we just

505
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 3: have the most fondest memories of all the stitches and

506
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 3: all the support over all the years and being on

507
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 3: your show.

508
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 2: I love your show.

509
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 4: I love watching all the same here. Thank you for

510
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 4: always being great sports. We appreciate it.

511
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to go and like google my appearance on KIM.

512
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it in years.

513
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 5: Okay, Katie, we should do.

514
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: That together, like you should have watched each other.

515
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 5: We should episodes.

516
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 3: I was absolutely oh yeah one time, okay, we have

517
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 3: to go. But one time I dressed up for Halloween

518
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 3: on an episode too.

519
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 2: I think you did like a star Trek person do anything.

520
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 2: I was like, hello, Jimmy.

521
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 3: Okay, we're so grateful.

522
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, all of our love to your family.

523
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, thank you very much. Okay, all right,

524
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 5: I will.

525
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 2: We will be back with more after the break.

526
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 3: I'm really excited to have a writer on our podcast

527
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 3: today because I love hearing their perspective. I love hearing

528
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 3: about like what was going on, what they wrote, who

529
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 3: they liked, did they like us?

530
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: I love. What I love about her too is that

531
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: we're all sort of I'm a little bit older, but

532
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 1: we're all closer in age. So when we when she

533
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: would come down to set as a writer, there's always

534
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 1: a writer on set while we're shooting, you felt like

535
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: it was a buddy. She's like such a down chick,

536
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: like she's so much fun, a blast, a great freaking

537
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: writer here.

538
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: She is our dear friend. We adore her.

539
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 3: Ramla Mohammed, Ramla, we have wanted to get you on

540
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 3: this fucking podcast forever, like and you are very busy

541
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 3: and very important, and you have a very big hit

542
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 3: show coming out for season two.

543
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: Right, We've been talking about you forever.

544
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 3: We've only had a couple. It's only you and a

545
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 3: here have been the two writers other than Shonda that

546
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 3: we've had on Oh, and I think we do that

547
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 3: because we feel safest Like g and I always say

548
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 3: like if it was yours a hero as like the

549
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 3: writer on set, it just felt like we came up

550
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 3: at the same time. Yeah, we felt like pears, can

551
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 3: you tell us how in the world you landed in Shondaland?

552
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 6: Okay, So here's just crazy. So so I started off

553
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 6: as a writer's PA on Grey's Anatomy and it was

554
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 6: like season six, which at the time was like, oh,

555
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 6: like I hope the show stays on.

556
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: Well, holy shit, cut to season twenty one.

557
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I had a friend, Gabe Jannis,

558
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 6: who was a writer's PA on Private Practice, and he

559
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 6: was like, oh, there's this job opening. So I was like, okay.

560
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 6: So I interviewed with Mark Wilding and Meg Marie and

561
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 6: Austin Gooseman and I know it's not crazy, and I

562
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 6: got the p A job and I was so excited. So,

563
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 6: but I was a big Gray's Anatomy fan.

564
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 5: I had to.

565
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like I was like, I know, it's okay to

566
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 6: be a fan, but I like knew, like when I

567
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 6: walked to the offices, like to have the interview. I

568
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 6: knew the names because they had a blog, you know,

569
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 6: and so I want to be a writer and so

570
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 6: and obviously, Seanda, there weren't that many like black female writers.

571
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 6: And so when I found out that she was this

572
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 6: black female right, I was like, I'm sorry what like?

573
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 6: And the show, I mean, that show was so huge,

574
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 6: you know, like it's still huge, but like at the beginning,

575
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 6: it was just it was like ussy TV. It's like,

576
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 6: don't spoil it, how dare you tell me what happened?

577
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 6: So I was just like, I So getting that job

578
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 6: was a big deal for me. And then I remember

579
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 6: I went to the first table reading Allen Pumpale was

580
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 6: like reading the voiceover and then like Patrick Jimsy and

581
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 6: I was just like.

582
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: Oh my, I would have had a Horde attack.

583
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 6: It was like the people coming out of the screen.

584
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 5: Yeah I was.

585
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 6: And I was so green. I mean I didn't know,

586
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 6: like I didn't you know the blue page, Like I

587
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 6: had to collate the pages, so I had to learn

588
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 6: the order of the pages. I mean, this is happening,

589
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 6: you know. Yeah, so this is like two thousand and

590
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 6: nine or whatever. And so then Shanda was producing. It

591
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 6: was her first show, that she was producing that she

592
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 6: hadn't written, called Off the Map. So Bands, Yeah, Jenna

593
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 6: Bands was running the show and she asked me to

594
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 6: be her assistant because it's her first shr running gig.

595
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 6: And then I kind of just went from off the Map,

596
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 6: then Scandal is a researcher and then.

597
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: Wait, so Scandal you started as a researcher. I don't

598
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 2: even think I knew that.

599
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, so that was season one. I was season when

600
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 6: I was a researcher. But we only had seven episodes,

601
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 6: and it's you know, that was crazy because I remember

602
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 6: when I read the Scandal script, I was like, this

603
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 6: is amazing, you know, and then we got the seven episodes.

604
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 6: I was like, okay, what kind.

605
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: Of stuff were you reach searching? Were you like, how

606
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: how do you like torture someone on a tar? Realistically?

607
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: Like what what were you reach?

608
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: A legal jargon?

609
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 6: Right, like legal d I spoke a lot to Judy Smith,

610
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 6: you know, who was like essentially the real Olivia Pope,

611
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 6: and it was a lot of Scandal. So I read

612
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 6: like the Monica Lewinsky's book and I read, you know,

613
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 6: so I would read different books or look at articles.

614
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 6: We did that plane crash episode.

615
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: Remember that, that's right.

616
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So I found the NTSB, you

617
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 6: know inspector who like talked to Mark Wilding about the

618
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 6: you know, and we I got like consulted. I found

619
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 6: I found the Madam, the DC Madam.

620
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: No way, yeah, yeah, so I was that's so excited.

621
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 6: It wasn't really And it prepared me because I got

622
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 6: to be in the writer's room and pitch as a researcher,

623
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 6: which you kind of like helped me, you know, learn how.

624
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: Good pitching and like understand.

625
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, without the pressure of being in the writer's room,

626
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 6: because I mean I was I think at the time

627
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 6: when I became a writer, I was I think I

628
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 6: was the youngest writer in the room and I was

629
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 6: like thirty thirty one. So it wasn't so there was

630
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 6: these were you know, kind of seasoned writers. As you

631
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 6: guys saw the scripts, I mean, the scripts are always

632
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 6: really good. So I felt like it was like I

633
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,239
Speaker 6: felt like I was a little League player who was like,

634
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 6: now go out like Rookie. You remember that movie Rookie of.

635
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: The Yeah, I love it movie.

636
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 6: I felt like I got some magic arm that was

637
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 6: going to go away soon.

638
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: So look at you now, look at you.

639
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 3: Now show running your own show? Tell so how did

640
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 3: you get made a writer? How did that transition happen?

641
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 5: So?

642
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 6: I did the Disney I did the Disney Program between

643
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 6: the seasons because there was so much time, and I

644
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 6: think people, you know, people don't really realize this. I mean,

645
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 6: you guys know, but it scanned. Was it ended up

646
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 6: being such a big hit. But that first season wasn't

647
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 6: a guarantee at all.

648
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 5: No.

649
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 3: No, I remember from being like you're on reading the

650
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 3: list and having absolute heart attacks because it said on

651
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 3: the bubble, Scandal is on the bubble because we weren't

652
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 3: even necessarily a second season pick up. Yeah, So then

653
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 3: you go to the writer's grip, You go to the

654
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,479
Speaker 3: ABC explain for anybody listening, like what is that? You

655
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 3: go and you have to like not audition to get in,

656
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 3: but you.

657
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: Have to audition to get in, right.

658
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: You have to like send in writing samples they select

659
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: you exactly.

660
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 6: And I really just did it because I was like, well,

661
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 6: I guess Scandal only has seven episodes and I'm going

662
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 6: to be done working in October and I need a job,

663
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 6: so I guess I'll wow program. It wasn't like it

664
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 6: wasn't like, oh, I'll just do this. It was like

665
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 6: I don't know, it's gonna have on scandal, so I

666
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 6: guess I'll just do this. And then I got to

667
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 6: come back as a writer. I'm scandaled through the program.

668
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 5: Wow.

669
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: How long was the program? Rama?

670
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 6: It was about a year?

671
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: A year.

672
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 6: But part of that part of that time I was

673
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 6: on the show.

674
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: That's so exciting.

675
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,239
Speaker 3: That's so cool, Ramla okay, and tell us what it

676
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 3: was like. So you and the here we felt so

677
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 3: close with because you guys got you were writers on

678
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 3: set a lot like you just were.

679
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: How do that?

680
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 5: What was that?

681
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 3: What do you have any memories from being on set

682
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 3: or things where you were like, I don't know anything

683
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 3: that stands out to you when you think back on

684
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 3: I mean, could you spent a shit load of hours

685
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 3: on set with us?

686
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 6: Like oh yeah, so yeah, it's funny because I think

687
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 6: your mind thinks differently that So a lot of times

688
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 6: the lower levels were on set because the room moves

689
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 6: so fast and you want to keep you know, the

690
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 6: upper levels and the heavy hitters.

691
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: Being able to pitch in the writing room.

692
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, in the writer's room, and so you know they're

693
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 6: like Okay, we'll go cover set. And to be honest,

694
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 6: I learned a lot covering set, you know. Just I

695
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 6: also think it allowed me to have an understanding better

696
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 6: of how you guys work, you know, because I spend

697
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 6: so much time with you guys right right, and also

698
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 6: knowing the sets, like I would know, oh, okay, well

699
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 6: this hallway ends here, so you probably can't write longer

700
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 6: than this. But I also I got to know, I

701
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 6: got to work with directors. It was like a learning experience.

702
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 6: It was you know, and so and it was also

703
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 6: it was terrifying. I feel like it's like, you know,

704
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 6: getting thrown in the water, you.

705
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: Know, just like yeah, yeah, and you can't swim well.

706
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: And then because every and everyone looks at you for

707
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: for answers, right, because I remember there were times that

708
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: rarely myself, but other actors would be like sometimes I

709
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: would say too, would be like, I'm not sure about

710
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: saying this. I don't know if I want to say

711
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: this or can I say something else? And then you

712
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: guys had such a great I mean, if you were

713
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: freaking out inside, we couldn't tell because you had great outside.

714
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: But then because you got to figure out three years.

715
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 3: Yo, really scary if Kerrie Washington, who is a brilliant

716
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 3: actress but also a brilliant person, is being like why

717
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 3: am I saying this?

718
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: And you're like, oh, you know what.

719
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 6: You know what?

720
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 5: You know.

721
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 6: What I always found helpful is well, one, I was

722
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 6: a big fan of the show, Like they would make

723
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 6: fun of me, like I don't know if you guys remember,

724
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 6: but like I would be crying on set during certain.

725
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: Really oh my god, yeah.

726
00:32:55,040 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 6: Like it and we were like holding each other len

727
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 6: rocking and crying. I know you were you were literally

728
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 6: doing that. Oh. And then like there were moments with

729
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 6: like fits and Olivia because I was a big Olitz fan,

730
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 6: and so I would be like, why can't they just

731
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 6: cant they just get together?

732
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 5: Right?

733
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: They need to just be together. They need to just

734
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: be together.

735
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 6: And they would be like, what is wrong with you?

736
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 6: I was like, this show was made for me. I

737
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 6: love it. So yeah, So I was so I think

738
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 6: also because I was a fan of the show, I

739
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 6: felt I really knew the show, Like I would remember episodes,

740
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 6: I remember what happened, and I have a good memory

741
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 6: when I'm on set, like I can even now I

742
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 6: can say really yeah, like I can I can tell

743
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 6: you the shots, like I can be like, no, we

744
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 6: started here, then we went closer, and then we went around.

745
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 6: Then I just that that has always been something that

746
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 6: I was able to do and I just got better

747
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 6: at it.

748
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: That's valuable, right, I mean, that's valuable in that room, yes, right,

749
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: so in the room that way, yes.

750
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 6: So I'd be like, hey, guys, we did this thing

751
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 6: or we have this this act was really good, could

752
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 6: we you know? So that was kind of my contribution

753
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 6: when I went back, you know, to the room when

754
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 6: I was still learning how to pitch and write, you

755
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 6: to do all this.

756
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: Stuff and look at you now like who would it like?

757
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 2: Would you?

758
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 3: I mean, is this just such a pinch me moment

759
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 3: to be like And now you and Carrie Washington work

760
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 3: together so closely, like you've you've moved on from Scandal

761
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 3: and you have such a beautiful relationship with her. Can

762
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: you talk to our listener to listeners about how that

763
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 3: has progressed and grown and how you guys work together now?

764
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 6: So with Carrie, you know, Carrie and I would like,

765
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 6: you know, I'd be on set and we'd spend time together,

766
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 6: but it really wasn't until you know, she kind of

767
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 6: asked me about Little Fires Everywhere, and I love and

768
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 6: so so at our at the cast dinner, she's like, hey,

769
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 6: so I'm doing the show a Little Fires Everywhere. I

770
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 6: was like, oh that's great. Yeah I saw that. Congratulations.

771
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 6: She's like, yeah, no, I want to I want you

772
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 6: to meet the showrunner. And I was like, oh, like

773
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 6: I was thinking, like.

774
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 2: What you were like for what to be your friend?

775
00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 6: So she's like, no, I wanted to meet that when

776
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 6: you I mean, let's take a hot so you know, see,

777
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 6: I would love for you to be a writer on

778
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 6: the show. And it was funny because you have to

779
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 6: understand the writers. You know, our interactions mostly are on

780
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 6: stead and we have good interactions and it's fun, but

781
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 6: you don't really get a sense of like what you

782
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 6: guys think of us as individuals or you know. So

783
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 6: it really wasn't until then that we started working together

784
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 6: on Little Fires and got closer and you know, now

785
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 6: obviously Reasonable Doubt that is it's kind of funny, like

786
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 6: I'm just like, oh, that's Carrie. You know.

787
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 5: I'm just like, right, is this Carrie?

788
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah?

789
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 2: What is her title on Reasonaal Doubt? She executive producer.

790
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 6: She's an executive producer on the show, and she directed

791
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 6: the pilot.

792
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: She's such a great director too. I mean that she

793
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: directed us on Scandal, and she was remember her being

794
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 1: so wonderful and so knowledgeable and and and so great

795
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: talking to us. I mean it was Carrie. But and

796
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: then she would just whisper stuff in your ear separately

797
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: from your scene partner that they wouldn't hear, and you

798
00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: were just like, this is brilliant. Like she was just like, yeah, Well,

799
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: here's the thing.

800
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 6: I will say this is that I have found that

801
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 6: actors who are directors are the best because they know

802
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 6: how like you know, I'll say something, but they know

803
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 6: how to say it to you guys to get the

804
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 6: thing right, like Tom, Like Tom is a producing director,

805
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 6: he's an actor.

806
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: Totally tell us really quickly, and then we're going to

807
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 3: talk about this episode. When is Reasonable Doubt Season two

808
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 3: coming at us? And how does it feel to be

809
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 3: a fucking showrunner?

810
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 6: Reasonable Doubt premiere is August twenty second of.

811
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: This August twenty second, okay, the.

812
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 6: Twenty second yeah, on Hulu. How does it feel to

813
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 6: be a show runner? I heard I heard a quote

814
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 6: that said it's like being beaten to death with your

815
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 6: own dreams.

816
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so accurate. That's perfect, pretty accurate.

817
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 6: I don't I mean back in the day, I didn't

818
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 6: understand how Shanda ran all those shows, and I definitely

819
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 6: don't understand it now. So when you're running one and

820
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 6: you're like that kind of a lot at a time, lady.

821
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, unbelievable.

822
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 3: This show is so incredible and it just looks like

823
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 3: I'm not asking you for a part, but I'm asking

824
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 3: you for a part because it just really.

825
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: But not for the reason.

826
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 3: Well I'm gonna be available second, but no, mostly because

827
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 3: it looks like it's so fucking fun, Like your cast

828
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 3: loves you. Like I was looking at all the videos

829
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: of the rap party and I'm like, what is going on?

830
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: This looks like the most fun time ever. Yeah, in Atlanta,

831
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 3: you all just seem really close. But please tell us

832
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 3: that Scandal is still your number one.

833
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 6: Well, he's honestly, I'm gonna say this. I love reasonable doubt,

834
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 6: but I will say the model was Scandal because you

835
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 6: guys were so close and I saw that creating a

836
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 6: good environment, you know, with the cast, really does trickle down.

837
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 6: You guys came in, you were prepared. It was easy

838
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 6: to write for you because you know, you all were

839
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 6: great actors. But also it was never it was never

840
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 6: like a oh, we can't put we can't put a

841
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 6: HATI and gear moment scene together because they don't.

842
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: Like to pain each other.

843
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, all that all that stuff that some shows

844
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 6: you know they have to avoid, you know, people and

845
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 6: work together and you see, so that's fun. Remember when

846
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 6: we put you and Joe Morton and a scene, you know,

847
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 6: like it's like, let's see how that goes. You know,

848
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 6: it was fun to do that. But but I will

849
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 6: say that like it was really And again, I think

850
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 6: because I spent so much time on set, I know

851
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 6: I know everyone's jobs, and I know how important it

852
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 6: is to kind of make people, you know, feel heard

853
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 6: and seen and and create like a good environment. And

854
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 6: and I think that's that's kind of what I learned,

855
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 6: besides obviously how to write and like, you know, be

856
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 6: at besides the Shondaland masterclass that I got for free.

857
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

858
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 5: Yeah.

859
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: One of the one of the biggest memories in my

860
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: brain set in my brain or how is how much

861
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: fun we had me and you specifically, I mean because

862
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: it's me, but I remember me and you just cracking

863
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: up and just having so much fun whenever you were

864
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: on set. I was always so happy when you were.

865
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 6: I remember I would tell them the Friday night stage

866
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 6: twelve nights, it would all be just laughing.

867
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 2: I would get so loopy, you wouldn't.

868
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 3: You would come out of stage twelve there's no windows,

869
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: and it would be pitch black. You don't know what

870
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 3: time it is. It's like you're in a Vegas casino.

871
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: Everybody's confused. You're living at.

872
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 3: Craft Services because you don't understand when you're supposed to

873
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 3: be eating or like what's happening, and you just get

874
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 3: loopy as all hell on a friturday.

875
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: You just it's like the best.

876
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: We'll be right back, guys.

877
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: Ramala.

878
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: This episode that you wrote that we're going to talk

879
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 3: about was is so fucking good.

880
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

881
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 3: Today we are talking about episode three eleven called Ride

882
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 3: Sally Ride, and it aired on February twenty seventh of

883
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen, so ten years ago.

884
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 6: Oh wow, that's crazy.

885
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: And this episode was written by Ramaala Mohammed. Well me,

886
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: Ramalah it was. It was directed by Tom Verica.

887
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: Yow, you got the Winner Winner director.

888
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 3: It was guest starring Paul adel Sign as Leo Bergan,

889
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 3: John Tennya's governor, Andrew Nichols, Nazanine Boniatti as a non sealif,

890
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 3: Vanya Asher as.

891
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: Ethan eben ham Is, Tanner Shaw, Rhys Rios as reporter Peter,

892
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: and Jennifer Pao as Vanessa Chandler.

893
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 3: Synopsis of what was going on When Sally announces that

894
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 3: she's running for president against Fitz, Olivia, Melly, and Cyrus

895
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 3: scramble to find a way to shut her down. Olivia

896
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 3: and the OPA team look to Fitz's new running mate,

897
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 3: Andrew Nichols.

898
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Quinn wants to get into Be six thirteen, but

899
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: once is how badly she wants it when she has

900
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: to abduct the son of Daniel Douglas's medical examiner. Then,

901
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: when Olivia's name is thrown back into the public as

902
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: fits his other potential mistress, Melly has a plan. Olivia

903
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: needs a fake public boyfriend.

904
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 6: Damn.

905
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: This episode was chock full, like pal.

906
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it was so okay, so few a few

907
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 6: things I remembered. This was so Carrie was pregnant and

908
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 6: she like between one weekend when she came back, she popped.

909
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: Oh damn, like it got burger.

910
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, you go from like pretending to like, okay, yeah,

911
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 3: she doesn't really look pregnant, to like, oh my god,

912
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 3: she looks pregnant.

913
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: Really.

914
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 6: Yes, it was literally from Friday, Friday then Monday in

915
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 6: the same and it was the scene where she had

916
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 6: the white coat and she was me with Melly in

917
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 6: the restaurant, and I was like, and well, because we

918
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 6: hadn't I don't think we quite talked about yet, like

919
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 6: kind of how to block it and do different right,

920
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 6: his hair was so small and she and the crazy

921
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 6: thing is that even in person it took her she

922
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 6: had to turn around to look pregnant, but you know,

923
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 6: the camera, it just it was like bam. And so

924
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 6: she had that on and I was like, oh, okay,

925
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 6: so we you know, Lynn Pallows trying to like, you know,

926
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 6: do different things. And yeah, so really I do remember

927
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 6: that because I remember seeing it on the monitor and going.

928
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: It's funny because in this in this episode, Carrie wears

929
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: a coat that is super layered and symmetrical and you

930
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: can't really see her body, so I wonder, and she's

931
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: wearing it for most of the episode.

932
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 6: So I wonder, so that was so she had that

933
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 6: gray thing on.

934
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, that I think was pre pop. Oh

935
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: that was pre pop. They should have they should have

936
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: made brought that jacket on post pop.

937
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: That scene.

938
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: Mellie you know, and Olivia are like, how do we

939
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 3: make Fitz's you know, public appearance better? So they're like, well,

940
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 3: let's they have a lunch. So it seems like that

941
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 3: they're friends and they're not enemies.

942
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 6: But she wouldn't be Yeah, it's like, you know, she

943
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 6: wouldn't be sleeping. Melle wouldn't have lunch with her if

944
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 6: she was sleep sleeping with her exactly.

945
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: You guys. It was like it was like watching an

946
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: episode of housewives.

947
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 2: Yes, it was the best.

948
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 3: I wrote the most fake giggling I've ever heard in

949
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 3: my entire life.

950
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 2: And the scene ends so strongly. I love it.

951
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: Where Mellie's like, here's the list, here's how else fits

952
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 3: his public appearance will be helped go get a boyfriend.

953
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 3: And here on my list of eligibrale bachelor's different in age, height, race, job, whatever,

954
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 3: like here they all are pick one, just pick one, yeah, can.

955
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: I see pictures please? I would have been like, well,

956
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: where are the photos. The names are fine. In description photo.

957
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 6: Photo, she's just saying, she goes, I don't care. She's like,

958
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 6: I don't care who it is.

959
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 1: I need to see a phone.

960
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 6: Good luck girl. Oh and then I remembered this started

961
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 6: season three as Tom Verica's idea to kind of do

962
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 6: these black and white stills that oh yeah, moved.

963
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 4: Yeah.

964
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 6: Oh, I forgot about these. These are really cool. Those

965
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:42,959
Speaker 6: those are really cool to.

966
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: Do, so cool, so so cool.

967
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 6: Oh I remembered.

968
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 2: This, Oh, god in a hardware store, god store.

969
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 6: But I remember the scene with Charlie when y'all kidnapped

970
00:43:58,320 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 6: the kids.

971
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: Little boy, that little white boy, and I don't know remember.

972
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 6: But like, you know, Disney has this roll you can't

973
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 6: be in a car without seat belts. So the couple

974
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 6: takes you guys will forget the seatbelts. So we were like, hey, like,

975
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 6: you gotta play your seatbelts. So then George improvised seatbelts.

976
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: Seatbelts. That's what he did.

977
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 3: He says it it that's great, and they don't want

978
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: us improvise on one one.

979
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, seat belts.

980
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: And George has three kids. He's such a dad like that.

981
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 3: By the way, when I watch this episode, I don't

982
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 3: remember doing any of this, and I'm like, holy crap,

983
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 3: I kidnapped a kid at the worst boy to totally fine,

984
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 3: Quinn totally fine with it. Quinn has no moral compass whatsoever.

985
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 3: She's not like, she wants to be in B six

986
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 3: thirteen so bad, and she needs money so bad, and

987
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 3: she just wants to be busy.

988
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: She's so bored that she's like, yeah, I'll kidnap a kid.

989
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is crazy.

990
00:44:54,080 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: We also were full on aggressive and and and yeah yeah,

991
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: and the kids whole thing.

992
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: You're right, oh my Yeah.

993
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 3: The kid was like I'm not supposed to talk to strangers,

994
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: and I'm like, it's okay, honey, listen. Do you know

995
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 3: that I know your friend's sister from soccer And don't worry,

996
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 3: I'm going to take you to get ice cream first.

997
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,959
Speaker 1: Is this switch that sweet? You switched real quick?

998
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 6: He was like, okay, yeah you did. He switched it

999
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 6: real quick. Yeah. So that those were that was when

1000
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 6: I was watching it.

1001
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: I laughed, okay, odd non Salif and Harrison right have

1002
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: a steamy sex scene.

1003
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, episode I forget something. At some point we had

1004
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 6: talked about on Salif and other episodes and someone in

1005
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 6: the room was like, what if Odd Noon was a

1006
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 6: woman And we were like, oh, that's interesting because really yeah,

1007
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 6: so then we went back and we're like, I guess

1008
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 6: we haven't said he She like we haven't hadn't said

1009
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 6: it yet, and we were like, oh, what a surprise.

1010
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 6: And then also then it could be a steamy situation

1011
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 6: for whoa.

1012
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, we just say Odd non Salif over and over again.

1013
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 3: You just hear that, like Harrison is freaked out by Odd,

1014
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 3: but you don't know any thing else.

1015
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly.

1016
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: Oh that's interesting that you at first were just like

1017
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 3: assuming it's a guy, it's got to be a guy exactly,

1018
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 3: but it's the hottest girl ever in a red trench car.

1019
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: And then he's in that chemistry between those two.

1020
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been so scared of her the whole time.

1021
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 3: And then she's like high h and then and then

1022
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 3: you're high hello H or something like that. It's a

1023
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 3: really bad accent, and then they just fucking go at

1024
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 3: it on his desk and like, yeah, very hot.

1025
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 6: It was always amazing, like for Network TV, you know

1026
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 6: what we were able to get away with. I mean,

1027
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 6: Seanda's very like prescriptive, like she knew how to you know,

1028
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 6: make it so it's felt hot still, but it wasn't

1029
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 6: you know, it's not cable ty.

1030
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 2: It was going to pass standards in private.

1031
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 3: We will be back with more after the break.

1032
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: In this episode, what stuck out for me is that

1033
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: you remember your stand in Katie, Katy, she has a

1034
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: scene in this episode in a line.

1035
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's so good.

1036
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 6: And it actually, you know, thank you because to stand

1037
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 6: ins headline, who else? Paul?

1038
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: Who?

1039
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 6: Who was? Who was Cyrus's stand in.

1040
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: Was in? What scene is he in? Rama?

1041
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 4: He was in the.

1042
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 6: I think that the darby Paul. That seemed because he's

1043
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 6: setting up or something. But I saw, oh he's one

1044
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 6: of the stand ins.

1045
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, and that's the same scene that

1046
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: Cat is in. She's miking Leo Berge Ok.

1047
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw Paul and I don't know

1048
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 6: if yeah, but he was or the White House something.

1049
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 6: But I was like, oh, this is.

1050
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: Also the episode where Fits throws of Scotch glass at

1051
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 3: Cyrus's head and Cyrus ducks and the glass just completely

1052
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 3: explodes against.

1053
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: The wall in the over Nice scurries away.

1054
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I was I was trying to remember. I

1055
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 6: was like I wonder how we did that, because obviously

1056
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 6: we throw I feel like someone must have thrown it.

1057
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 6: But I remember going, gosh, it was really it was.

1058
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: Really it looks really good. It was close to his head, Yeah.

1059
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: Really close to his head. It was very like, holy ship,

1060
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: Tony Goldwin's got an arm. That's what I think.

1061
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 1: You know, that was George Props or somebody throwing that glass.

1062
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1063
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 6: I also, you know the other thing is that the

1064
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 6: DC stuff looked really good. Liked bech the green speak stuff.

1065
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: It always looked good.

1066
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 6: I think were just at like Exposition Park and they

1067
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 6: put a green screen up.

1068
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: Ye, but it never looked We never went to d

1069
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 2: C once.

1070
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 3: We never except at the end we only wore winter

1071
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 3: and fall coats in one hundred and twenty degrees.

1072
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: Angelus Weather, Well, you guys.

1073
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 6: You guys went at the end, right the very end.

1074
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 1: Did at the end? Yeah, we went, yeah.

1075
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 3: The last second, the last episode of the entirety of Scandal,

1076
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 3: and it was the best.

1077
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 6: Yes, rama.

1078
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 3: Is there anything like looking back on the whole series

1079
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 3: that you're like so proud of, like a quintessential scene

1080
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 3: or monologue or something where you're like, oh my god,

1081
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 3: I was really like proud of how that came out

1082
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 3: and that I wrote that.

1083
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what I would say, I would say

1084
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 6: Mama Pope's monologue was probably the like thing I was

1085
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 6: the most.

1086
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: What episode was that in Rama? Do you remember it was?

1087
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 6: It was the season six and she's like talking about

1088
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 6: black women and being out of more ridiculous whatever.

1089
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 3: You're gonna come back on when we get to that episode?

1090
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, if you don't mind, Yeah, yeah, I'll.

1091
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 6: Come back on. Yeah.

1092
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: That was.

1093
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 6: That was a fun one. It was I'll talk more

1094
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 6: about it when I but it just was like she's

1095
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 6: saying crazy things and I was like I got out

1096
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 6: of this relationship and gotten like broken up with and

1097
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 6: then like my ex was dating some basic girls.

1098
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, you were in your fields. You were like,

1099
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: I'm letting it.

1100
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 2: All out, Mama Pope speak for me.

1101
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 6: And it was like two am, and I was.

1102
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: Like, ah, y Rama, La, do you do you as

1103
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: you're writing, do you picture the actor that you're writing

1104
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: for saying the words? And does that help you?

1105
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 6: Yeah? I mean like, well here's the thing. I mean,

1106
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 6: that's the best thing about being on a show for

1107
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 6: a while, right, like at first, you know, but between

1108
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 6: just learning how to do the craft. And I will

1109
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 6: say the hardest thing about being a TV writer, especially

1110
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 6: a young TV writer. It's not especially not like I

1111
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 6: could write. It just was I didn't have three months

1112
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 6: to write, you know, I had a couple of days

1113
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 6: to write some scenes. It's the pressure. And so what

1114
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 6: happens is that you learn how to write under the pressure.

1115
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 6: And so that's the skill that you're trying to develop,

1116
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 6: is can you still write well and fast? You know

1117
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 6: I could write well but not fast, but that who

1118
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 6: you know, that's good to know. One if I can write,

1119
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 6: I can't write if I can't write fast, So I say, yeah,

1120
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 6: So I think as the season went on, like as

1121
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 6: the seasons went on, you know, of course, like I

1122
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 6: wrote a scene I remember when you and Quinn and

1123
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 6: Charlie where Charlie is kind of like just pretend you're

1124
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 6: my girlfriend and you know, yeah, and so you know,

1125
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 6: once you know the characters, you can kind of imagine,

1126
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 6: you know how, And then and then of course with

1127
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 6: the crossover episode, it was I was a fan of

1128
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 6: How to Get Away with Murder and obviously I knew

1129
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 6: Olivia Pope's voice, and so you know, writing like the

1130
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 6: hair salon scene with them was fun because I kind

1131
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 6: of imagined how that would be.

1132
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: Oh you wrote that scene in the hair salon.

1133
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's so good.

1134
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 2: It's such a great scenes.

1135
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:28,959
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1136
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 6: Yeah. So they're fun. They're fun moments. But I honestly,

1137
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 6: my sometimes my favorite part about even because sometimes I

1138
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 6: get the scripts and I hadn't read the other writers scenes,

1139
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 6: you know, and so you read a scene by you know,

1140
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 6: Chris van Duson or you know, Jenna or Heather Zaire

1141
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 6: and you're like, holy shit, like you know, we have

1142
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 6: a little outline and you kind of you know, know

1143
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 6: a little bit about what it was. But sometimes as

1144
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 6: we got later into the seasons, you know Chris, I

1145
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 6: remember Chris had a scene. I was like Olivian Fitz

1146
00:51:58,280 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 6: fight and I was.

1147
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: Like, no, good luck to you, oh.

1148
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 6: God attack, and he came back with this like amazing then,

1149
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 6: So you know, so that was also I was, I

1150
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 6: was that was exciting for me. Again I say, I'm

1151
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 6: a fan of the show. That was exciting for.

1152
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: Me to get to read it right right.

1153
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,959
Speaker 6: Yeah, And and and similar I remember when Shanda wrote

1154
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 6: that when I read uh Shanda's monologue posts first monologue

1155
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 6: about you have to be twice as good. Yeah, And

1156
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 6: I went in her office the next day and I said,

1157
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 6: you know, I said, a lot of this is not

1158
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 6: something that black people that you hear a lot, but

1159
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 6: it is something that we all kind of know that

1160
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 6: our parents have said.

1161
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: And I said, that's gonna that's hit it.

1162
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's going to resonate. So that was always the

1163
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 6: fun of, like, you know, waking up and seeing like, oh,

1164
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 6: what are the other scenes gonna be?

1165
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 1: Wow?

1166
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 3: Okay, any other favorite acting moments or favorite writing moments.

1167
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 3: I I mean that that Rowan monologue on the bench

1168
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 3: is another one of those is classic iconic. He rips

1169
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 3: Olivia a new one, basically saying, you know, she comes

1170
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 3: to the bench to be like I heard, you're not

1171
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 3: head of command anymore like Jame's head of command. And

1172
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 3: he was like, like, run, Olivia, run because he also

1173
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 3: kill the Gerald Grant that third.

1174
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: In this episode. Correct me if I'm wrong, Ramulah. In

1175
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: this episode, when they're on the bench Olivia and Rowan,

1176
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: she says, when you were in B six thirteen, and

1177
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: he gives her a look and she said, I'm sorry,

1178
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: when you were in the Smithsonian that was code for

1179
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: B six thirteen.

1180
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 6: Right, yeah, yeah, exactly.

1181
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, I hadn't caught that before.

1182
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 6: I was like, no, exactly. You know, you know it's

1183
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 6: funny about that scene because I really did. You know,

1184
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 6: that's the other thing being on set. That's great, right,

1185
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 6: you get to be there to watch. Yeah, like you

1186
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 6: you watched Joe Morton deliver that monologue and it's like theater.

1187
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 6: I mean, he's a theater. Yeah, actors. So it's not

1188
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 6: like it's not like the before moments just broken up

1189
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 6: to be put together. You know. He just rattled that

1190
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 6: off and I guess you're just picking the best parts.

1191
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 2: Wow.

1192
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: And then the score, the score that was playing in

1193
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: that scene is so ominous and dark and it's so good. Yes,

1194
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: so so good. My other one of my other favorite

1195
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: lines Katie or acting moments is Sally Langston and when

1196
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: she's talking to Leo Bergen and she says, I did

1197
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: not murder my husband. The devil did it when he

1198
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: stuck inside me and made me do it. I thought

1199
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: that was fucking like, she's unbelievable, crazy, unbelievable. So good.

1200
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 6: And the commitment, Oh so this is okay. So Daniel

1201
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 6: Douglas Langston. Right, yeah, so we worked. I guess we

1202
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 6: called him Daniel Douglas and then we called him Daniel Langston,

1203
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 6: and so we were like, I guess we'll just call

1204
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 6: him Daniel Douglas. Lakes someone mess up.

1205
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: We just decided Douglas Langston.

1206
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 3: Oh well, that's perfect. I love shit like that. But

1207
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 3: how could you keep it all straight? I mean that

1208
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 3: kind of thing must have happened all the time.

1209
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 6: It was a lot of names. It was a lot

1210
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 6: of yeah, like you know, and also some things don't clear.

1211
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: With a new name or oh my, whatever it is, but.

1212
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 6: Trying to think, oh my. Also, I will say this,

1213
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 6: you know, Paul Atolsten came in, you know, in the

1214
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 6: middle of that season and just that energy against Cyrus.

1215
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 6: I did love when he has his feet up on

1216
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 6: the desk.

1217
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 2: That's my favorite seat of the episode.

1218
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 6: He has.

1219
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 3: Leo Bergen is sitting in Cyrus's seat and his power

1220
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 3: seat behind his desk, really warming it up because he

1221
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 3: thinks that Sally's going to win and he's going to

1222
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 3: be your chief of staff, and Cyrus has something like

1223
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 3: that's like, get your balls right out of here. All

1224
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 3: I remember is that he said balls and Cyrus. I

1225
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 3: feel he doesn't say balls a lot, so it really

1226
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 3: struck well.

1227
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: And he also says, get your feet off of my desk,

1228
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: and Leo or I'm gonna or I'm gonna take him

1229
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: and shove him down your throat, and Leo says, well,

1230
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: there are size eleven, so it might be difficult to

1231
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,720
Speaker 1: fill him down my throat. I was like, oh my god,

1232
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: it's so good.

1233
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 3: But Leo Bergen is just like one of my favorite

1234
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 3: all time, similarly to Charles like rhy this amazing line

1235
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 3: between comedy and drama that's just like Scandal did so well.

1236
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,240
Speaker 3: It's like a real dark comedy sort of like everything's

1237
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 3: throwaway and insane what they say, but they have no

1238
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 3: moral compass and you kind of just insaye with Hollis

1239
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 3: Doyle like they're just yeah, great comedic characters in a

1240
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 3: really like dark show that needed it.

1241
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, But also I feel like if it wasn't for

1242
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: those actors, like it could have gone a whole different way.

1243
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 1: It could have been, you know, but kind of boring.

1244
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: But their delivery is so it's so it's so so

1245
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: so funny and so good. It's just so different from

1246
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: what you expect those characters to say, which makes it work?

1247
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, exactly. And I also remember this was the

1248
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 6: first time we saw Leo and Abby, like.

1249
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that.

1250
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, is this sort of the bud

1251
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 3: of their like what we they end up being together?

1252
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 2: Like they end up dating?

1253
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 6: Yeah exactly. Yeah, yeah, so it's kind of like the

1254
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 6: start of seeing there, you know a little bit.

1255
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 3: They're banter, They're like always at each other's throats and like.

1256
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 2: Kind of a hot way.

1257
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly.

1258
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 3: One other thing, Olivia is trying to like quit and

1259
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 3: not be the campaign manager because she knows he's not

1260
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 3: going to win. Oh, and he's like making out with

1261
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 3: her and he's like, oh, I do not accept your resignation.

1262
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 6: Yes, and then at the end and then the end

1263
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 6: he's like Olivia and then she's like I'll be here

1264
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 6: and she's like I'm not quitting, I'll be here. And

1265
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 6: then she just leaves and you're.

1266
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: Like whoa, whoa, oh no, no, you know what it was.

1267
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 6: Door open, door closed, Lauren, door open, door closed.

1268
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 3: So hot, and then door closes and they're just like bam,

1269
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 3: like making out so fast. It's like they can't even

1270
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 3: fucking help themselves, but she also has the job of

1271
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 3: putting Andrew Nichols on the ticket and what his public

1272
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 3: opinion is.

1273
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: And he's a playboy.

1274
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 3: He's always like been dates too many people, and he

1275
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 3: sort of says this interview with her, well, you know,

1276
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 3: the one I always wanted kind of got away. And

1277
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 3: what we learn at like the big twist at the

1278
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 3: end of the episode is that it's Melly. And the

1279
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 3: end of the episode is Melly in between both men

1280
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 3: with them in her hands. She's got Fits in her

1281
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 3: left hand and in her right and they're up on

1282
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 3: that big stage with the lights on.

1283
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, Yes, I thought that was such a

1284
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 6: great storyline because even later, which I'm sure you guys

1285
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 6: will get to like, he Fits is like jealous totally

1286
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 6: just like such an such an interesting color. It's like,

1287
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 6: oh you have some nerve.

1288
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he gets all like I want my cake

1289
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 3: and eat it too, Like I want to have sex

1290
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 3: with Olivia and she's the love of my life. But

1291
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 3: also like Melli isn't allowed to be with anybody.

1292
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: Exactly right, exactly exactly an asshole.

1293
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 2: That's why I don't like I was always sort of

1294
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 2: team Jake. I was always like I.

1295
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 3: Don't understand what is happening. So you stayed true as

1296
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 3: an Olitz fan in that writer's room, beginning to end.

1297
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 6: Till the end.

1298
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: Till the end, you got real low and.

1299
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 6: I love stuff. I was a huge Felicity fan, so

1300
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 6: a lot of you know, it's just like a lot

1301
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 6: of things happening with Scott Foley joined the show. Yeah,

1302
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 6: so but I felt like Jake it, I guess, I

1303
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 6: don't know. It just was like I really was attached

1304
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 6: to one minute and that season one and all those things.

1305
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 2: One minute, good God.

1306
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 6: I just I was really it was like I just

1307
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 6: I felt it, you know, I really felt it. And

1308
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 6: so even though he wasn't perfect, but you know.

1309
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: Of course no fit no Fita.

1310
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 6: Is kind of perfect until he got unperfect, but that

1311
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 6: was his fault. Rowan ruined him, right.

1312
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 3: Also, the introduction of Jake is hard with the whole

1313
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 3: surveillance videos and yeah creepy.

1314
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, but still honestly, was just he just it just

1315
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 6: did have that.

1316
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, I didn't I endn't fire. Yeah,

1317
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: I mean here's the thing.

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Speaker 6: It wasn't like it was a house divided and like

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00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 6: people felt differently. Yeah, but I think that's what made

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00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 6: it such a great love triangle, right, is that totally

1321
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 6: people felt strongly about who.

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Speaker 2: They who they want totally.

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Speaker 6: I just wanted to say one thing that I did

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00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 6: notice is in the SHO show is it's so well shot.

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Speaker 6: I remember, we have such great camera operators. Oh yeah,

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01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 6: you know dps and I mean Tom's a really good director.

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Speaker 6: But the camera's moving. And the thing is that people

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01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 6: don't really realize it's that I have to I wanted

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01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 6: to point out is focus pullers. It is so difficult,

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01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 6: hard to switch focus as the camera is moving and

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01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 6: get it right on the reactions and the things. And like,

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Speaker 6: consistently watching the show, I was like it was just

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Speaker 6: inframe stuff happening.

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Speaker 1: Top notch, Like it was top and especially it's funny

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Speaker 1: you bring that up, especially in this episode specifically, the

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Speaker 1: camera work and the moves and the zoom men's zoom

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01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: zoom in's and all that stuff was very it was

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01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: very noticeable, right, Yeah, amazing, the camera work was Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And I actually I was upset with Tom for quite

1340
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 6: a few episodes and he just you know, he is

1341
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,439
Speaker 6: very very good with actors, but really he really is,

1342
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 6: like he was so great at like knowing the shots

1343
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 6: he wanted and the vision that he saw. It was

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01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 6: really it was like really lovely to work on.

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01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: There were no panels in this episode, right, I remember

1346
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: the panels they would bring in the panels.

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Speaker 2: But we usual a lot I feel like in OPA.

1348
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, those were the rules were that, and I

1349
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 6: think OPA we kind of used that. We did a

1350
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 6: little bit with Andrew Nichols. They did it like you

1351
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 6: can see it. Yeah, it was like remember when you

1352
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 6: got you would do the photos and then the interview.

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01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 6: It was like the inner.

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Speaker 1: Touch yea yes, yes, yes yes.

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01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 3: At the end we'd read We're going to read a

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01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 3: little bit of our scandal tweets of the time.

1357
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Speaker 2: It's like our time capsule.

1358
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 3: Oh then we whistle. I know that's our little sound

1359
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 3: effect that we do. So we liked it. We love ones,

1360
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 3: especially when they talk mad shit about Quinn or Hawk.

1361
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 2: It's really fun.

1362
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: I hope there's some we mean ones in here. I hope,

1363
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: I hope.

1364
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 3: Oh this is the best at Ray Stars tweeted on

1365
01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 3: February twenty eight, twenty fourteen, I love Millie hashtag scandal

1366
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 3: like why people called Melly Millie.

1367
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: Kelly Hawk hawk Hawk Listen.

1368
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 2: No, it's not.

1369
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 6: Literally, my assistant Jess was talking about because she's watched

1370
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 6: she's watching Scandal and she's in season four and she's like,

1371
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 6: I don't remember, but Milly. I said, who's Milly?

1372
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:18,919
Speaker 1: Who's Melly?

1373
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 6: First of all, I said her name is Melly and

1374
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 6: she said, she said to me, no, it's not.

1375
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 3: I love that ship. Like I'm just like, wow, people

1376
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 3: love this show so.

1377
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: Much, right, we also feel bad people call me hawk

1378
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: on the street all the time. But then you feel

1379
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: I'm just like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you feel bad

1380
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: correcting him. You just got to move on, right, Yeah.

1381
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: Eric Kelly tweeted, everyone in Scandal speaks so aggressively with

1382
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: their entire face. That is all this tweet is a

1383
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 1: little aggressive, Eric Kelly.

1384
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 2: She's not wrong, though not so aggressive.

1385
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 6: But you know, you guys had you guys did to

1386
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 6: talk really fast. I was thinking about that too, and

1387
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 6: I said, yeah, act people can't act and talk that fast.

1388
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 3: There were times in this episode where I was like

1389
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 3: Olivia was talking and I was.

1390
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 2: Like, that is so fast.

1391
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 3: Like it's like what we would get into, like the

1392
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 3: fever pitch of the season where we would be so

1393
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 3: warmed up and it was becoming so second nature, Like

1394
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 3: it wasn't like, you know, the first episode might be

1395
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 3: a little bit wonky, like when we would be here

1396
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 3: at ten eleven. I mean, this was when we were

1397
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 3: really soaring. Yeah at True Crime. Whorer Mandy Murder tweeted,

1398
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 3: who thinks lives? Real pregnancy will be next season? Scandal pregnancy?

1399
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: Nobody?

1400
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 2: You didn't get it, nobody, nobody.

1401
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: Smooth tweeted, dude from Scandal be wearing suspenders with no belt?

1402
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: Though passable, but I hate it.

1403
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 2: That's about Harrison.

1404
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 1: But also if you were suspenders, you're not supposed to

1405
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: wear a belt. That's what I mean. Yeah, I wear

1406
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: suspenders with my belt all the time, but that's you're

1407
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: not supposed.

1408
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 5: To do that.

1409
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: If you weren't, it's one of the other. So smooth

1410
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: the pants up exactly, Yeah, get it?

1411
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 3: Got it so funny together, that's so funny at gen

1412
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 3: Voss tweeted, anyone know what DC restaurant Live and Melly

1413
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 3: were dining in during last night's Scandal?

1414
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 1: They weren't in DC, but then Gin responded, I think

1415
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: it was called a studio set in La Shady Shade.

1416
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 6: I like when they with each other.

1417
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 3: But then Jen Voss was fighting back, saying, I was

1418
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 3: hoping for authenticity some stuff was shot here.

1419
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 2: Nope, nothing.

1420
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 6: To production design, you know.

1421
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so good, that's right. I feel like the

1422
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: restaurant stuff was usually in an actual restaurant.

1423
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, we did shoot it in a restaurant, but but

1424
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 6: you know, but you know, the set decorators and you know, amazing,

1425
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 6: they still they would have to come in and make

1426
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 6: it look to dress it.

1427
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah like not l a yeah,

1428
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 3: la exactly. Next up EPISOD so three twelve, we do

1429
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 3: not touch the first Ladies.

1430
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 2: Ramola, you're the greatest.

1431
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 3: Is there anything closing that we forgot to ask you

1432
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 3: or that you want to add about this episode or

1433
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 3: about your time as a writer and on Scandal, and

1434
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 3: we will be bugging you again to come back.

1435
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 6: Oh no, I mean I think you guys probably, I mean,

1436
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:21,919
Speaker 6: I think we all agree on this. It was such

1437
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 6: a it was a magical time. You know, it was

1438
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 6: just like it's like what show. It was such a

1439
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 6: crazy show to work on, but also like the fact

1440
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 6: that all of us were experiencing it together, you know,

1441
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 6: having fun. I think I feel so just lucky and

1442
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 6: blessed that I was able to learn so much, you know,

1443
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 6: as a writer on set, in the room and all

1444
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 6: these things that you know, like when we had the strike,

1445
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 6: we're fighting for right is to be able to produce

1446
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 6: episodes and be on set these things. I just you know,

1447
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 6: we just got to do so yeah, yeah, I think

1448
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 6: I think you know. And also, you can't take a

1449
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 6: wit like you were on Scandal, like you guys are

1450
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 6: on scand yes, exactly.

1451
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Scandal was such a big like like I still

1452
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 3: I run into people all the time, and like you said,

1453
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 3: you're assistant, which, by the way, you have an assistant, Ramla.

1454
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 2: I mean that is so amazing and so well deserved.

1455
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:18,919
Speaker 6: You are.

1456
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 2: We love you and we always loved you, and I'm

1457
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:22,439
Speaker 2: so glad.

1458
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 6: We love you so much. I love you guys. And

1459
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 6: I also I also love that it's like when when

1460
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 6: were we doing this? Like twelve years ago, and it's

1461
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 6: like no time has passed.

1462
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,439
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god, I can't believe it's been twelve

1463
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: years ago. That's crazy.

1464
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 2: Thanks Ramla for coming on.

1465
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you guys for listening me.

1466
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 6: I really had fun.

1467
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you guys for joining us on Unpacking the Toolbox.

1468
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: If you enjoyed the show, please subscribe, share with your friends, rate,

1469
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: or leave us a review.

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01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 3: Unpacking the Toolbox was executive produced by Sandy Bailey, Alex Alce,

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01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 3: Lauren Homan, Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and

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01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 3: editor is Vince de Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher.

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01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: Scandal is a production of ABC Signature, and you can

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01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: follow along by rewatching Scandal on Hulu.

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01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,480
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01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:17,840
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