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Speaker 1: Coming soon to a cinema near you. In a world

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Speaker 1: this fall, some people think our God in college football.

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Speaker 2: You and your mom are hill bellies.

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Speaker 3: This is a house of learned doctors.

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Speaker 2: Are you?

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Speaker 1: Are you Jews?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Are you hyped?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal call for me.

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Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 4: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 4: be happy. You want to be happy for day? Edi

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Speaker 4: Steak is that whoo whoom?

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Speaker 1: And now Dan and Ty.

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Speaker 2: To this preview season. Dan, Welcome one, Welcome all, Welcome

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Speaker 2: on back to the solid verbal. My name's Ty, his

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Speaker 2: name is Dan. This episode, all of our episodes driven

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Speaker 2: by Geico. On today's show, we are coming in hot

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Speaker 2: with the previews, literal previews for the coming twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: two college football season, and we are starting with one

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Speaker 2: half of the Big twelve.

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Speaker 3: Mister Rubinstein, how you doing today?

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Speaker 4: I'm juiced, Ty, You know how I feel about preview

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Speaker 4: season and the season that gets us into the season. Essentially,

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Speaker 4: I'm you know, I always am Tye and getting to

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Speaker 4: able to anyway about For instance, on today's episode, the

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Speaker 4: Big Twelve in Conference USA, but the ACC, the Pac Twelve,

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Speaker 4: the Mountain West, the teams and conferences that bind the

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Speaker 4: sport together. It just gets me going ty, you know

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Speaker 2: I am excited for our concept as it rearl is

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Speaker 2: to college football previews this year. Truly, we are doing

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Speaker 2: previews movie yes style previews. We've been doing this show

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Speaker 2: since two thousand and eight, and it has come to

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Speaker 2: our attention that a lot of folks like going very

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Speaker 2: deep with teams, and we'll do that here over the

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Speaker 2: next couple weeks. There are some other folks who are

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Speaker 2: of what they should expect from each team each conference.

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Speaker 2: We're going to do our best to bridge that gap,

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Speaker 2: to make it as relatable as possible, and to compare

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Speaker 2: each conference, each division within each conference to a movie

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Speaker 2: that you might know, that you might love that seems

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Speaker 2: to have similar themes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that reminds us that that makes us feel things

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Speaker 4: the way we felt when watching that movie. And so

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Speaker 4: we have our selections for the Big Twelve.

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Speaker 1: Are you.

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Speaker 4: I'm a big preview guy, by the way, movie preview

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love watching them on YouTube, not for a

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Speaker 4: I kind of dig both, not a half hour twelve minutes.

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Speaker 4: I like a good twelve minute session of previews before

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Speaker 4: I give immediate reviews of previews right after out loud

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Speaker 4: in the theater because it's an art. It's an absolute

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Speaker 4: art preview and preview making, and it just it gets

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Speaker 1: Movie preview thing is just it's for me.

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Speaker 2: On today's episode, Dan is going to preview Oklahoma State, Oklahoma,

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Speaker 2: Kansas State, West Virginia, and Kansas correct. On our next

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Speaker 4: So my general theme, by the way, for my half

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Speaker 3: It's not how it used to be.

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Speaker 4: Nobody's look when you have the weird pairings at quarterback

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Speaker 1: This is a house of I love Stepbrothers so much.

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Speaker 4: There is that like a fish out of water buddy

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Speaker 3: We're very excited.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, absolutely, Yeah, that was just my trailer to the

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Speaker 2: I love that strategy. So, without further ado, your half

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Speaker 2: what do people need to know from a really high

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Speaker 3: Your half the Big Twelve twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 4: So it's the conference itself is in sort of its

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Speaker 4: Kansas State a major destination, of course, and they're fascinating

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Speaker 4: So my stretch comparison is duce Vaughan is the helicopter

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Speaker 1: But what I do have are a very particular set

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Speaker 4: To do and then every thing explodes. We're talking Oklahoma.

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Speaker 4: Essentially, it's hosting Kansas State, which I think they do

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Speaker 2: Schedule is interesting. You know you mentioned the k State game.

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Speaker 4: So I think that's where I stand on Oklahoma that

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Speaker 4: transfer in along the defensive line. The secondary has a

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Speaker 4: ton of questions. I don't know who's fully taking advantage

440
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Speaker 4: of it, but I just i'd like to see more

441
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Speaker 4: obviously productive names.

442
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the over under, by the way, is nine and

443
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Speaker 2: a half for Oklahoma wins. And we'll do a show

444
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Speaker 2: as we get a little bit closer to the season

445
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Speaker 2: talking about over unders and where we stand on some

446
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Speaker 2: of these bets. But I think it is meaningful that

447
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: it's nine and a half and not higher. Frankly, Oklahoma

448
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 2: still is a good team, but they've got a new coach,

449
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Speaker 2: they've got some turnover and.

450
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Speaker 3: A whole lot of unknowns.

451
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Speaker 2: I want to move on. I want to talk about

452
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Speaker 2: Oklahoma State because if the theme of this side of

453
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Speaker 2: the conference, your side of the conference today is odd pairings,

454
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Speaker 2: it's always struck me as an odd combination Mike Gundy

455
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Speaker 2: and Spencer Sanders. Spencer Sanders is not necessarily the kind

456
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Speaker 2: of quarterback who has come through Oklahoma State.

457
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Speaker 1: Right.

458
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Speaker 2: The quarterbacks that have come through Oklahoma State have been

459
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Speaker 2: more air rady in the Gundy era. Right, You've had

460
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Speaker 2: Brandon Whedon's carn Dog, Yeah, Taylor Cornelius.

461
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Speaker 1: Sure.

462
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Speaker 2: Spencer Sanders is different. Spencer Sanders is more of a

463
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Speaker 2: dual threat, and when they can use his dual threat

464
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Speaker 2: attributes to the best of their of his ability, he

465
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Speaker 2: can be very good. Just look at let's say, second

466
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Speaker 2: half of that Fiesta Bowl against Notre Dame. Spencer Sanders

467
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Speaker 2: has had moments. Spencer Sanders is also very inconsistent at times,

468
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Speaker 2: and that constant push pull between good Spencer Sanders and

469
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Speaker 2: bad Spencer Sanders. That's what, ultimately I think determines how

470
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Speaker 2: Oklahoma State has done and will do again as we

471
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Speaker 2: look forward into twenty twenty two. We had a listener

472
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Speaker 2: right in a couple weeks ago and ask us, are

473
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Speaker 2: we selling Spencer Sanders short? I don't feel like we are,

474
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Speaker 2: because I know the inconsistency is there. I also know

475
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Speaker 2: that the upper level, high level playmaking ability is also

476
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Speaker 2: there somewhere beneath the surface. You just don't know when

477
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Speaker 2: you're going to get it. So I think the question is,

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Speaker 2: first off, do you feel like it's an odd pairing

479
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Speaker 2: at all? But secondly, Dan, what can Mike Gundy do?

480
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Speaker 2: What will Mike Gundy try in twenty twenty two to

481
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Speaker 2: tap into that good Spencer Sanders? Is there anything he

482
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Speaker 2: can do schematically or otherwise? Are there players around him,

483
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Speaker 2: other characters in this story that can help accentuate those

484
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Speaker 2: great features of Spencer Sanders and throw out the inconsistent

485
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Speaker 2: stuff that leads to losses.

486
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Speaker 4: Maybe I think they've had stronger offensive coordinators, you know,

487
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Speaker 4: they promote Casey Dunn from within. He was kind of

488
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Speaker 4: mister Bolitnikoff and who he was able to develop over

489
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Speaker 4: a long long time of the Gundy era and going

490
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Speaker 4: back to like Justin Blackman and of course Junkyard Jim Washington.

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Speaker 1: There haven't been that.

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Speaker 4: There doesn't appear to be like I like Brendan Presley

493
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Speaker 4: a good deal, but he's smaller, more diminutive guy, more

494
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Speaker 4: of an all purpose receiver and returner kind of guy.

495
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Speaker 4: I don't know if they're going to go more conservative

496
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Speaker 4: and so they're going to be looking at more play

497
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Speaker 4: action stuff. It's, you know, a new running game, a

498
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Speaker 4: new offensive line. They had some departures along the offensive

499
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Speaker 4: line to the portal that it's just sort of see receiver,

500
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Speaker 4: hit receiver and play action. This guy should be opened

501
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Speaker 4: against most defenses, this hot guy whatever. The problem still

502
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Speaker 4: remains in my point from earlier in the spring that

503
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Speaker 4: there are two types of quarterbacks. Quarterbacks who as they're

504
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Speaker 4: being sacked still try to make an incredible play and

505
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Speaker 4: quarterbacks who just go down or just throw it away.

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Speaker 4: And Spencer Sanders, you know, I don't know if it's

507
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Speaker 4: just a Baylor thing. I don't know if it's just

508
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Speaker 4: a every so often thing. He is going to make

509
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Speaker 4: an atrocious throw, but there is that trying to do

510
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Speaker 4: too much part of his game that is just always

511
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Speaker 4: going to worry me about Oklahoma State, who was squarely

512
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Speaker 4: in the playoff conversation late last year because of the defense,

513
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Speaker 4: that that's just it's always going to worry me about

514
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Speaker 4: Spencer Sanders. So, yeah, as he matures, as he gets

515
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Speaker 4: more reps, as he sees more on film, as he

516
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Speaker 4: you know, has more things click into his head to

517
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Speaker 4: just throw a ball away and trying to squeeze it

518
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Speaker 4: into probably an untenable window.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he will get better.

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Speaker 4: But when we believe the conference is at least partially

521
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Speaker 4: going to go through a team with as good a

522
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Speaker 4: defense as Baylor's can be, and he is having his

523
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Speaker 4: low moments against them, it worries you that Oklahoma States

524
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Speaker 4: offense has gotten progressively worse since Mike y'rsich left. It's

525
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Speaker 4: it's worrisome that he feels like he has to do

526
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Speaker 4: so much on his own and he's not fully wrong,

527
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Speaker 4: so that I don't have a good answer for like,

528
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Speaker 4: what can Oklahoma State do to help prevent mistakes? It's

529
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Speaker 4: just to me a maturation thing and a rep thing,

530
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Speaker 4: I guess. But I mean, he's dealt with injury issues

531
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Speaker 4: and I'm sure that hasn't helped early on in seasons

532
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 4: these the past couple of years. Just it's consistency. It's

533
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Speaker 4: just the consistency and the maturation process.

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma State was eight and one in conference. Last season

535
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Speaker 2: went twelve and two overall. You recall they lost twenty

536
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Speaker 2: one to sixteen in that incredible Big Twelve championship game

537
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Speaker 2: when Baylor won at the last second on the goal line.

538
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Speaker 2: They went on to win largely in the second half

539
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Speaker 2: the Fiesta Bowl over Notre Dame thirty seven to thirty five.

540
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Speaker 2: So it's a good season for Mike Gundy. It was

541
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Speaker 2: a good season I think because of two reasons. First off,

542
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Speaker 2: Spencer Sanders did have moments, and the offense did come

543
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Speaker 2: together later in the year. One of the big questions

544
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Speaker 2: about Oklahoma State going into last season was who are

545
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Speaker 2: the receivers? Who are they going to be? How long

546
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Speaker 2: is it going to take for these guys to develop.

547
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Speaker 2: They did develop by the time the end of the

548
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: season got around, and this was a pretty good team

549
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Speaker 2: as a twelve win team that was point a point

550
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Speaker 2: B and it probably deserves to be point a one.

551
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Speaker 2: The defense, Jim Knowles led a very aggressive, very attacking

552
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Speaker 2: defense that blitz the crap out of opponents. Knew how

553
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Speaker 2: to bring pressure, and I'm adding.

554
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Speaker 4: A fantasy thing for aggressive attacking defense for me. I

555
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Speaker 4: already I'm scoring points continue.

556
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Speaker 2: It was a very very good defense last year in

557
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Speaker 2: terms of overall sp plus, ranking fourth, very good, about

558
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Speaker 2: the best Oklahoma States ever been on that side of

559
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 2: the football. Now he has gone, Jim Knowles has gone

560
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: to Ohio State. The offense is certainly going to do

561
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 2: its part to continue its maturation process, but it's fair

562
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Speaker 2: to ask questions about the defense. Stan where do we

563
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Speaker 2: stand on the defense here?

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Speaker 4: I'm in a pretty good place with this Oklahoma State

565
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Speaker 4: defense as we've seen. I mean, they played a bunch

566
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Speaker 4: of dudes last year, even though they lose a ton

567
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Speaker 4: of starters, and those linebackers were especially incredible playing that

568
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 4: like cover zero with their hair on fire, helmets on fire,

569
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Speaker 4: or whatever. Derek Mason is a super capable defensive coordinator,

570
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Speaker 4: and I loved that. We've sort of come full circle.

571
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Speaker 4: If you remember way back when so Dana Holgerson calls

572
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Speaker 4: the twenty ten offense I believe for Oklahoma State with

573
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Speaker 4: Brandon Whedon. Todd Monkin comes in in twenty eleven, and

574
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Speaker 4: the big story is like Brandon Whedon, who was thirty

575
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Speaker 4: seven at the time, was teaching Todd munkin the Oklahoma

576
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Speaker 4: State offense because Mounkin came in saying, I don't think

577
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Speaker 4: I need to change much with what you guys have

578
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Speaker 4: been succeeding doing. And so there is that too. You've

579
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Speaker 4: seen that storyline with Derek Mason and the Jim Knowles

580
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Speaker 4: defense where Derek Mason has come in and saying, I

581
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Speaker 4: don't think I want to change a lot because what

582
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Speaker 4: you guys have been doing and the verbiage and how

583
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Speaker 4: quickly you guys are able to react, it's been working

584
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Speaker 4: super well. So Derek Mason has come in and he's

585
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Speaker 4: going to try to marry what he was able to

586
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 4: do as you know, a successful defensive coordinator at Stanford

587
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 4: and you know in his limited time at Auburn. So

588
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 4: that's a huge hire just because of the level of

589
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Speaker 4: success that Derek Mason as a coordinator has had. So

590
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Speaker 4: I think to fill in the vacancy with Mason and

591
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Speaker 4: to try to keep things familiar for the guys who return. Look,

592
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Speaker 4: they lose a lot, there's a lot of questions in

593
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Speaker 4: the secondary. There are pieces on the line. They lose

594
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Speaker 4: a lot at linebacker. But I don't know, I still

595
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 4: think they've recruited well enough. They're like a quietly interesting

596
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 4: and pretty good recruiting team that there's going to be

597
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Speaker 4: a drop off, but it might be like number twenty

598
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Speaker 4: four defense in the country and not the number four

599
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 4: defense still like a dangerous part of why they're winning.

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Speaker 2: Just thirty seven percent of Oklahoma States production is back

601
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Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball. That reason is

602
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Speaker 2: why they are one hundred and eighteenth nationally in terms

603
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Speaker 2: of returning production. For whatever that's worth, it doesn't mean everything,

604
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: but it's usually at least some measure that we can

605
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: go by here as we do this episode as it

606
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: drops in late July, some tell as to what this

607
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: team might look like, what kind of a start they

608
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: might get off to for what it's worth, much better

609
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Speaker 2: on offense, sixty nine percent of their production is back

610
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Speaker 2: on the offensive side of the ball, but defense will

611
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: certainly be a challenge. And I agree with you. Derek

612
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Speaker 2: Mason's a pretty good coach, Yeah right, Derek Mason. Derek

613
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: Mason has made hay for what he's done on the

614
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Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball. So if you're gonna go

615
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Speaker 2: out and get somebody, it's pretty good money.

616
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Speaker 4: Different looks, different coverages than what Jim Knowles. Did you

617
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Speaker 4: know Jim Knowles sort of forced quarterbacks to make quick decisions.

618
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Speaker 4: But I'm in on Oklahoma State as a team who

619
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Speaker 4: if they drop off, which I mean it'd be impossible

620
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Speaker 4: not to given the heights that they reached last year,

621
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Speaker 4: I don't think it's going to be all that crazily.

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Speaker 4: And also by the way I in terms of plot,

623
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Speaker 4: in terms of setting, they host West Virginia the week

624
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Speaker 4: after Bedlam. It's the weird thing where you have your

625
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Speaker 4: rivalry game the second to last week, the penultimate week,

626
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Speaker 4: if you will.

627
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Speaker 1: Tie, wink wink, Yeah, yep.

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Speaker 4: That if they're able to maintain focus and not have

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Speaker 4: a letdown situation against a West Virginia team, who I

630
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Speaker 4: think that's like the end of a very tough stretch

631
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Speaker 4: for West Virginia if I remember correctly in their schedule

632
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Speaker 4: or what we think is a tough stretch that if

633
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Speaker 4: they're able to maintain that focus the Pokes, that would

634
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Speaker 4: be enormous for Oklahoma.

635
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Speaker 2: State Oklahoma State schedule. And then I do want to

636
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Speaker 2: talk about West Virginia may be the easiest in the

637
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Speaker 2: Big Twelve just the way it sets up. Again, they

638
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: all kind of play the same teams, right, there's a

639
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: ten team conference there's no divisions. They each play everyone

640
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: else in the conference. In terms of their non conference opponents,

641
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: they start out with Central Michigan, Arizona State program that

642
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 2: might be completely off the rails by week two, and

643
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Speaker 2: Arkansas Pine Bluff before a bye, and then they get

644
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Speaker 2: into the Big Twelve schedule. They come in hot against

645
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Speaker 2: Baylor on the road and that'll be a test. Yeah,

646
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Speaker 2: They're back home the next week against Texas Tech. They

647
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Speaker 2: do have a rougher stretch towards the latter half of

648
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Speaker 2: October where they go at their home against Texas they

649
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: go to Kansas State, but there aren't any like murderers

650
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: ros here wounders. Yeah, there's nothing like that on this

651
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Speaker 2: schedule that really frightens me. They're on the road for

652
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Speaker 2: the Bedlin game. That won't be easy. But I think

653
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Speaker 2: all things considered, if you're looking out across all the

654
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Speaker 2: schedules in the Big Twelve, the one that I liked

655
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Speaker 2: the most is Oklahoma stated it sets up really well

656
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: for them, especially as they've got a bunch of new

657
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 2: guys to break in on defense.

658
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 4: Good year to be on the road for Bedlam. This

659
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 4: is not an especially deep or dangerous Oklahoma can still

660
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 4: win the conference, but as it relates to other potential

661
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 4: conference champions, Oklahoma doesn't have the depth and obvious scariness

662
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 4: of some of those other teams. So good good times

663
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 4: if you're in still water.

664
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Speaker 2: Odd Pairing's part four. Let's talk about West Virginia. Man.

665
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 2: So Neil Brown sputtering a bit in Morgantown. We were

666
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: really high on the higher. You were really high on

667
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 2: this higher.

668
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: Weren't you?

669
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: You love Neil Brown. You were all in, all in

670
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: on Neil Brown. Neil Brown, at least to date, has

671
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 2: not worked. Last season, West Virginia went four and five

672
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 2: in conference, six and seven overall. They went to a

673
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: bowl game against Minnesota. That bowl game, if you watch

674
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: the Guaranteed Rate Bowl, hopefully your eyes have healed in

675
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 2: the meantime. It was an eighteen to six game. That

676
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: game made Baby Jesus cry.

677
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 3: It was horrible.

678
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: It's a horrible football game to watch. Now we're on

679
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: the flip side of that, there's been some turnover with

680
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: West Virginia. They've got a new quarterback who comes up

681
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: from Georgia. You do get the impression that Neil Brown

682
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: is on some level fighting for his right to stay

683
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 2: the head football coach at West Virginia. And on top

684
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: of it, it is not an easy schedule, not by

685
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: any stretch. Start off the year on the road at

686
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: pick quote unquote on the road at pitt backyard brawl,

687
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: big rivalry game. They close out September on the road

688
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: at Virginia Tech. Not an easy place to play. We

689
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: don't know if Virginia Tech is good though, but yeah,

690
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: we don't know what they are. But still not an

691
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 2: easy place to play. The week after that Virginia Tech

692
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 2: game on the road at Texas before a bye, and

693
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: then Baylor at home, then Texas Tech.

694
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 3: My darling, you know, I like Texas Tech this year.

695
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 2: Right, it just kind of keeps coming at them. They

696
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 2: don't have much in the way of a good chance

697
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 2: on this schedule to really settle down and catch their breath.

698
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 4: How many, and maybe I'm this is just a completely

699
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 4: insane question, but how often do we see Power five

700
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 4: programs with two true road games at other Power five

701
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 4: programs in the non conference? So you like, you'll have

702
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 4: you know, Florida and Flora State play each other every year,

703
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 4: and Clemson in South Carolina play each other every year,

704
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 4: so there is that like locked in rivalry situation, and now,

705
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 4: of course, you know, we have hopefully a more locked

706
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 4: in rivalry.

707
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: Situation with Pittonwest Virginia.

708
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 4: Moving forward, but it doesn't happen, it seems all that often.

709
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 4: And so no, that's no. They try to avoid it

710
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 4: as best I would imagine. So so yeah, that's different,

711
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 4: that's new.

712
00:36:59,120 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, man.

713
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 4: Like the thing is with West Virginia is the odd

714
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 4: thing is Neil Brown comes in as an offensive guy,

715
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 4: and they've had a largely good defense. They've taken a

716
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 4: couple lumps, but they might have the single best defensive

717
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 4: player in the conference in Dante Stills.

718
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: Up front.

719
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 4: They get results from a good portion of this defense

720
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 4: pretty often. They I'm saying they have they have a

721
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 4: giant glaring issue. And they've had that giant glaring issue

722
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 4: where they haven't been able to find a quarterback. Jared

723
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 4: Dagy did not work out. The receivers dropped too many passes,

724
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 4: the offensive line didn't protect Daigie at all, and so

725
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 4: you enter in a quarterback who has had issues staying

726
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 4: on the field and has maybe just been unlucky. That's

727
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 4: entirely possible with JT. Daniels, the best of JT. Daniels

728
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 4: we think is pretty incredible. So new offensive coordinator and

729
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 4: Graham Harrell familiar with JT. Daniels, talented but flawed receivers,

730
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 4: inconsistent offensive line. I'm just sort of worried.

731
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: I think West.

732
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 4: Virginia might be one of those programs that puts it

733
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 4: together for two and a half weeks and just beats Oklahoma,

734
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 4: beats Oklahoma State. I know they were destroyed by the

735
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 4: Pokes last year. You know, beats Texas something something that

736
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 4: is unforeseen for a couple of weeks and gets West

737
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 4: Virginia fans kind of riled up in a good way

738
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 4: and then just disappears and loses to Kansas, disappears and

739
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 4: loses to Texas Tech in a stupid way. So that's

740
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 4: the concern to me with West Virginia that offensively they

741
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 4: just haven't built up quality depth kind of anywhere. They

742
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 4: weren't able to run the ball at all last year,

743
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 4: and they're going to waste another good interesting defense. That's

744
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 4: the worry to me that in that combination of quarterback

745
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 4: and defense, not a lot of people have that defense,

746
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 4: And I just is JT. Daniels going to stay upright?

747
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 4: Are the offensive skill. Guys around him going to consistently

748
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 4: make plays like JT. Daniels has grown accustomed to a

749
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 4: certain lifestyle in terms of surrounding talent. I don't know

750
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 4: that he's gonna immediately click with these guys. I'm worried

751
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 4: about West Virginia.

752
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: I just am.

753
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: Dan.

754
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 4: I'd like to make a proposal. Sorry to but oh sorry,

755
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 4: is this a phone call coming in?

756
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 2: You know we like nicknames on this show. I have

757
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: a proposal for JT.

758
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 3: Daniels. Oh no, oh no, he's playing in West Virginia.

759
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: His birth name. I'm looking at his Wikipedia page as

760
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: Jonathan Tyler Daniels just goes by JT, which is a

761
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: cooler spin on it. But he's playing in West Virginia.

762
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: Now there's obviously this quality.

763
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: Of you being a little bit worried.

764
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: I think of West Virginia fans not knowing if it's

765
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: going to work out. Generally, speaking of an offense that

766
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: has sputtered and frankly is not fun to watch makes

767
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: us all worry, just as college football fans wanting to

768
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: see more offense.

769
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 4: I'm also worried about you threatening a nickname. We're also

770
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 4: worrying about me threatening a nickname. I'm imposing a very

771
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 4: simple change that I think works for this odd parent. Okay,

772
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 4: for this season, this season only, can we just go

773
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 4: with Jack Daniels with Jonathan.

774
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you can nickname Jonathan Jack.

775
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 2: Daniel Jack Daniels because of the liquor times.

776
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: Do I get you?

777
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: You know what this means? We're in West Virginia.

778
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 4: Well you're drinking shine in West Virginia, Jack Daniels, Tennessee

779
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 4: with Yeah, okay, sure, Jack Daniels. No, it's pretty good.

780
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 4: It's confusing.

781
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: They're a confusing duke of is confusing. I know, Jack

782
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 2: Daniels is my proposal, you said, Jonathan Thomas, Jonathan Tyler

783
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 2: Jonathan Tyler Daniels.

784
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 4: So we could do JT D like JTT. That's not

785
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 4: that good j T Jack Daniels.

786
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: We did tv D for Tyler Van Dyke at Miami.

787
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: I like Jack Daniels. You know, people can tell me

788
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: I'm wrong, But Jack Daniels, it's an intelligent nickname for

789
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: intelligent people, and I'm not gonna dumb it down for

790
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: some mass audience.

791
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 4: What about so what was this is your neck of

792
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 4: the woods? James Dolan, doesn't he have a band, isn't

793
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 4: it like j Is it j D in the Shore

794
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 4: Shots or something? What's the name of James Dolan's ridiculous

795
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 4: band that people go to shows and taunt him? And

796
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 4: JD in the street shot, j D in the straight Shot?

797
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: Is there something there?

798
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: I mean, we need to see what he could do

799
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 2: in this offense first, But that's my counter. Yeah, that's

800
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: not bad. Why did you think of James Dolan's band?

801
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, because there was something with JT in

802
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 4: the shure Shot, and I thought JD.

803
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: Who's the JD? And then I remember James Dolan.

804
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 4: I love the idea of a sports owner having a

805
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 4: passion project band and getting heckled at his or her

806
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 4: terrible shows. That's It's a wonderful turn of events that all.

807
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 4: I'm almost positive, by the way, maybe I'm wrong. Does

808
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 4: James Dolan play the harmonica in this band? Or is

809
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 4: he like a full lead man with a guitar or

810
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 4: does he do both.

811
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 2: A country blues and roots rock vanity project?

812
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 4: Of course, so maybe West Virginia is JT. Daniel's vanity project.

813
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 4: JD and the Sure Shot. I don't know, all right, man,

814
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 4: it worries me but like, I'm gonna be entertained by

815
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 4: West Virginia. I feel as if I will, but maybe

816
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 4: ear fans won't be. But I'm gonna be at five

817
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 4: and a half.

818
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: Five and a half is the Vegas over under for

819
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 2: West Virginia. So they share similar concerns.

820
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 1: Dan, Yeah, they could be a ball team.

821
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 4: I think they could win six or seven with things

822
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 4: breaking correctly and having like a cartoonish number of takeaways,

823
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 4: like the turnover margin bounces in the in the right direction.

824
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: Sure, let's close out your half of the Big twelve.

825
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: Talking about the Kansas Jayhawks. Speaking of odd pairings, right,

826
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: Lance Lpold won national championships A level down, A couple

827
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 2: levels down, Yeah, a couple levels down. Yeah, came up

828
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: coach Buffalo. I think did a really good job there,

829
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: got this Kansas job. We both like Lance Lipold a lot,

830
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: don't we. I think we liked this guy, and I

831
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: think there is a general sense, the more you read

832
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 2: around college football, a general sense that this is someone

833
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: who knows what he's doing right. Kansas right now is

834
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: experiencing just a dearth of talent. They don't have the

835
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 2: guys that they need to compete on a higher level,

836
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 2: but at least on the coaching side, Lance Wipol's a

837
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 2: guy who knows how to coach fundamentals and knows how

838
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 2: to get the most out of its players. He's a

839
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 2: lot like Chris Cleiman frankly right, and so that will

840
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: play well at Kansas where he is trying to move

841
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 2: the ball forwards by bringing in guys who can play

842
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: actual playmakers, and that I think brings us to another

843
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 2: odd pairing, which is.

844
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 3: Him and the young quarterback.

845
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jayleen Daniels, Yeah, yeah.

846
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: So what is the short term outlook for Kansas football?

847
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 2: Because this is a program last season not exactly a

848
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 2: head turner, one one game in Conference one in eight

849
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: two and ten. Overall, they're not good, but still we're

850
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: a lot better than where they were in twenty twenty.

851
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: Like this is a two and ten that was actually

852
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 2: pretty productive. As we project forward now into this season,

853
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: where to stand there in Lawrence sort.

854
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 4: Of like it is Nebraska the best three and nine

855
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 4: team ever? Is Kansas the best two and ten team ever?

856
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 4: Beating Texas, being competitive with TCO and West Virginia At

857
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 4: the end of last.

858
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 2: Year, We're plucky, right, they played hard, sure, and truly

859
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 2: you know we say this all the time and it's

860
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: probably to the point of caricature, but like, if you

861
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: are a team that doesn't have a whole lot of talent,

862
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 2: it's obvious that you don't, but you play well as

863
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: a unit, you play well as a group, and you

864
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: remain in every game you play hard, whistle to whistle.

865
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 2: That's meaningful and we can use that as another data

866
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 2: point when we try to figure out is this team

867
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 2: going to get better or worse going into twenty twenty two.

868
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 4: Do you remember when the Toronto Raptors used a first

869
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 4: round pick on a flyer from Brazil and they were like,

870
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 4: he's the Brazilian junior, very low level Kevin Durant, and

871
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 4: then they cut back to the studio after showing this

872
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 4: like very grainy footage.

873
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: I think the guy's name was Bruno.

874
00:44:58,239 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: Bruno Kabaklow.

875
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: Sure, I don't know.

876
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 4: That doesn't sound like a way you would say it

877
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 4: in Portuguese, but yes, that he was a cut back

878
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 4: to Seth Greenberg, I believe former Virginia Tech head coach,

879
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 4: and he said he's two years away from being two

880
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 4: years and it's the best evaluation. It's the and he

881
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 4: never obviously.

882
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: Never did anything. You don't know his name. I don't

883
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: know his name.

884
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 4: Kansas is not two years away from being two years away,

885
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 4: but they're probably a year.

886
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: Away from being a year away.

887
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 4: I enjoyed a quote I don't remember where I saw

888
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 4: it in somebody right up of Kansas football that the

889
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 4: thing that Lance Ipold's doing different from a talent acquisition

890
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 4: standpoint is, you know Les Miles and David Batty and

891
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 4: Charlie Wise, all these guys that you know really took

892
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 4: a stab at trying to get things right in Lawrence.

893
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 4: We're looking for high level college football players, which is admirable.

894
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 4: They were taking shots on guys they thought could be

895
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 4: big time players and bringing them to Kansas, which is

896
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 4: a big time athletic department. Obviously, the success the basketball

897
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 4: team has had, yep. But what Lance like Pold is

898
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 4: doing his his thinking is let me just get the

899
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 4: most guys who don't suck. Let me let me just

900
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 4: like stalk this team with buses and see what I

901
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 4: can do with that that every single backup is going

902
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 4: to play hard and is going to understand the playbook

903
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 4: and is not going to get beat because of a

904
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 4: mental error. But just because they can't turn the corner

905
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 4: as quickly as a running back can or can't, you know,

906
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 4: keep up with an All American receiver. That's understandable, but

907
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 4: stalking the team with guys who don't suck, which I

908
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 4: think there was a big ten comparison where it's just

909
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 4: like depth of competence, like what we talked about with

910
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 4: the division, or not the division, but the conference as

911
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 4: a whole. That's where Kansas probably makes sense. If that

912
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 4: is indeed true, It's something that I can get behind.

913
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 4: And so with the way Jaylen Daniels was able to

914
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 4: make plays near the end of the season coming in

915
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 4: because of injury, and Devin Neil was able to pop

916
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 4: early on or not early on, but early on in

917
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 4: his career. I think he rushed for you know, over

918
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty yards against Texas and that crazy

919
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 4: shootout win.

920
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: They're not great at.

921
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 4: Receiver, they're not great along the lines. Defense is gonna,

922
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 4: it's just they don't have anywhere near the number of

923
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 4: guys they need to compete for, you know, vaguely flirting

924
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 4: with a bowl. But Lance Leipoltz just awesome by all accounts.

925
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: He is just strong.

926
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 4: He's going to hit the portal to fill in gaps

927
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 4: as often, like I think they brought in Kay Thomas

928
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 4: running back from Minnesota. Like they're just bringing in guys

929
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 4: who can help, right, who can bring sandbags to the shore.

930
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 4: And that is something. And so that is why I think,

931
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 4: especially like if you talk about effort and it being

932
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 4: meaningful when you don't have the talent, Kansas is playing

933
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 4: hard all year long last year and giving TCU in

934
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 4: West Virginia all they could handle, and coming down to

935
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter, it's meaningful. It's meaningful. Does it mean wins, No,

936
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 4: it does not mean wins in twenty twenty two, but

937
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 4: it means you know, you're walking, you're crawling, you're right

938
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 4: like you're gonna see that from Kansas. And so I

939
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 4: am in on just increased competence that they are going

940
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 4: to be able to carry the sandbags to the shore

941
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 4: and stop this year over year flooding of the coastline.

942
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: And they beat Texas on the road, man, I mean

943
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 2: texts on the road. They beat Texas on the road.

944
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: We talked about the one conference win one and eight

945
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 2: in conference, but they beat Texas on the road second

946
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: week of November, a crazy game I remember watching it,

947
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: I remember talking about it after the fact. Fifty seven

948
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 2: to fifty six. It was a great game. This is

949
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 2: not a good team last year. They played hard, to

950
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: your point, but they weren't good. Their offense was a

951
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 2: little bit better than their defense, but their defense truly

952
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: was really bad and in all facets, I mean, just

953
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 2: terrible against the run and almost equally as terrible against

954
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 2: the pass.

955
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna get pushed around.

956
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were just bad across the board. What I'm

957
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 2: curious to see and it may be an ultimate test

958
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: this coming season. We talked about returning production doesn't mean everything,

959
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 2: but Kansas is a top ten team in terms of

960
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: returning production. They bring back eighty nine percent of their

961
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: production on defense. Does that mean anything? I don't know.

962
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: Is a bad defense?

963
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: Likely?

964
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: No? Bringing back eighty nine percent of that is that good?

965
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: Is that bad?

966
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: I guess we'll find out. I would expect that they're

967
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: going to improve again. And you're right, Lance Leipold has

968
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: done his part to try and raise the floor.

969
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: Right.

970
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: It is truly a different philosophy from what Charlie Weisch

971
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 2: tried at Kansas. Frankly with Charlie Weish, tried at Notre Dame,

972
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: which is go out and get the high profile skill

973
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: guys that you think might have really high potential. That

974
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: has its place, but it doesn't have its place at Kansas,

975
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 2: where they're just trying to establish a base level competency.

976
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 2: So I'm curious. I'm curious to see how this goes. Look,

977
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 2: you know the teams that they're gonna play. I could

978
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: talk about the schedule till I'm blue in the face,

979
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 2: but what it comes down to is Kansas win more

980
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: than two games.

981
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 3: Kansas win more than two games.

982
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: You know, there's no deep schedule analysis required for what

983
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: it's worth.

984
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 3: Vegas has the exact same question. They're over unders two

985
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 3: and a half.

986
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 2: So we'll see. I've we had people right in on

987
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 2: our reball or discord on our Patreon as a whole,

988
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 2: people have emailed in saying that Kansas over two and

989
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 2: a half is a lock. Sure, I think it's an

990
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: interesting play. Frankly, I don't know if I'd want to

991
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: put a whole lot of money behind that, but Kansas

992
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 2: definitely has an opportunity looking at this schedule, and again

993
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go too deep into it, but

994
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: I could see a path.

995
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: To three wins, the path to three.

996
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: The drive to three.

997
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 3: I could see.

998
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, look, they you know what they feel is

999
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 4: needed with their team. With what they did in the portal,

1000
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 4: they went aggressively after guys that can fill out the secondary.

1001
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 4: They you know, rounded out the running back room as

1002
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 4: well as they could. And I think we're going to

1003
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 4: see again that that floor get raised, be it slightly,

1004
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 4: be it noticeably, whatever, it's a good thing. I think

1005
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 4: it's a good thing that they hired a real coach

1006
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 4: who was not just wanting to be a coach again

1007
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 4: like Les Miles was was just a nightmare. And you know,

1008
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 4: the guys that are on the come down, whether it

1009
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 4: as an athletic director or as a head coach, they

1010
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 4: don't need. Lance Leipold is ascending in this sport and

1011
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 4: I think he's gonna do a great job. And it's yeah,

1012
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 4: it's the the old Seinfeld. It's not just taking the reservation,

1013
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 4: it's keeping the reservation, just getting the players, it's getting

1014
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 4: them to play in an interesting way. And that's where

1015
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 4: I think Lance Leiphold and this staff will will succeed.

1016
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: Any other closing thoughts on the Dan Rubinstein half of

1017
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: the Big twelve before preview, yeah, before we move on.

1018
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I haven't talked about some of the other games

1019
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 4: for Kansas specifically the Oklahoma State game that they have

1020
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 4: in Lawrence is after their own buy and after Oklahoma

1021
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 4: State has Kansas State also on the road, So two

1022
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,959
Speaker 4: straight road games for Oklahoma State. That's just pointing it out.

1023
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 4: West Virginia hosting Kansas State in a sandwich of their

1024
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 4: own and after a rough stretch for Kansas State, so

1025
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 4: it's just who even knows what's gonna happen with that. Also,

1026
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 4: I have Oklahoma as a West Virginia interesting game because

1027
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 4: it's Oklahoma's game after Baylor, before Bedlam. They get West

1028
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 4: Virginia in that let down look ahead spot, So that's

1029
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 4: another interesting one for Oklahoma.

1030
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: Can't wait.

1031
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 4: It's gonna be fascinating to watch the characters you need

1032
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 4: to know from this particular film we're about to watch

1033
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 4: of the twenty twenty two season. I mean, looks we've

1034
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 4: mentioned a lot of the quarterbacks. I would add in

1035
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 4: I mentioned King Felix, Daniel Green behind him is great

1036
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 4: for Kansas State and then West Virginia. I just it's everybody.

1037
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 4: It's kind of Graham Harrald to me is the interesting one, Yeah,

1038
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 4: because can he do better than he did at USC

1039
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 4: with many more advantages at quarterback, offensive line, running back,

1040
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 4: wide receiver, with guys who have probably been underperforming given

1041
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 4: coaching and quarterback play. Graham Harrell's actually the.

1042
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: Interesting one for West Virginia for me interesting. So those

1043
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: are my.

1044
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 2: Thoughts, ty, All right, well, please do write in let

1045
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 2: us know your thoughts on the Big Twelve as we

1046
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 2: try to cover in a in as broad a brush

1047
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 2: as possible. What you need to know about the Big

1048
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: Twelve conference and it's rough comparison here, I guess to

1049
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 2: step brothers with odd pairings.

1050
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 3: You and your mom are hillbellies.

1051
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 2: This is the house of learned doctors. Learned doctors. Think

1052
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 2: you learn it, Doctor John c Riley. Not the only

1053
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 2: teams though, that we want to discuss today. So Docs Dan,

1054
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: let's talk about some Conference USA teams, and let's talk

1055
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: about Conference USSA.

1056
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 3: On the whole, if we could please.

1057
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 2: Conference USA is in a very odd spot, very odd

1058
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 2: spot going into this season, being so they lost a

1059
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 2: bunch of teams, they got rid of divisions. It's a

1060
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 2: conference very much in transition to some extent, and so

1061
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 2: it struck me looking at at UAB, at Western Kentucky,

1062
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: FAU Charlotte, and Middle Tennessee, the teams that I've got

1063
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,959
Speaker 2: in front of me right now, it struck me as

1064
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: these are teams that have clearly been left behind. These

1065
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 2: are teams that have been in a weird way, sort

1066
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 2: of sportsmandard, if you want to invent a new phrase,

1067
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 2: because there's sort of like the misfits, the forgotten teams

1068
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 2: that weren't part of an exciting move to another conference.

1069
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 2: And so there's definitely, I think some camaraderie among these teams,

1070
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 2: among each other and within themselves to try and elevate

1071
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 2: the status of Conference USA, elevate the status of their

1072
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: respective programs. But also, if you look at the stats, Dan,

1073
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 2: we're not dealing with top flight talent here.

1074
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 3: We're just not.

1075
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 2: No, We're just not dealing with top flight talent. And

1076
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 2: so it is going to be an exercise this year

1077
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 2: for these Conference USA teams, for a variety of Conference

1078
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 2: USA teams to make the most of it and do

1079
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 2: the best you can. Doesn't mean it won't be fun

1080
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 2: football to watch, doesn't mean we won't cover it here

1081
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 2: on the show but I gotta believe that they're feeling

1082
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 2: a little bit of a stomach punch just with how

1083
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 2: the conference has changed so quickly.

1084
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 4: I was hoping, in the way that you describe this,

1085
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 4: that you were going to have a clip from the

1086
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 4: toy story Misfit Toys that are thought about it.

1087
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 2: I thought about I googled movies about misfits. I googled

1088
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 2: about misfits because I was thinking along the same lines.

1089
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 4: There is, Man, it feels I feel better about doing

1090
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 4: it as it relates to coaches rather than guys who

1091
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 4: have transferred in Like yeah, speaking down about Nikocy Perry

1092
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 4: and Jarrett Dagy or whoever. But Chad Lunsford, Tyson Summers,

1093
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 4: it's it's all hap Todd Orlando, it's all bad. What's

1094
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 4: old is new? So man, I it. I'm sure you

1095
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 4: have thoughts on this, But there is a very specific

1096
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 4: strengtrategy that I think these teams are employing, or some

1097
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,760
Speaker 4: of these teams are employing in this part of the conference.

1098
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: USA. Whatever left remainder that.

1099
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 4: It's tough. I want you to find some silver lining.

1100
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 2: Tie well. The silver lining is that there are still

1101
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 2: plenty of interesting talking points within this conference and interesting characters.

1102
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 2: I for one, am most interested in Charlotte. Okay, it

1103
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 2: is not because I expect Charlotte to suddenly ascend and

1104
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 2: win Conference USA.

1105
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 3: I don't.

1106
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 2: I actually think they'll be lower half of the conference

1107
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 2: this here. But that being said, I like their quarterback

1108
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: Chris Reynolds, and I like the tandem of him and

1109
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 2: Shadwick Bird in the backfield. They lead an offense that

1110
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 2: brings back eight starters. The defense was just so bad

1111
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 2: last season, especially at stopping the pass. I think because

1112
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: of that, they're probably limited in terms of how much

1113
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 2: they can grow on that side of the football. I

1114
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 2: like Will Heally. I liked Will Heally a couple of

1115
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 2: years ago more than I like them now. But I

1116
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 2: do think at least the offense is going to be

1117
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: fun to watch, and I think Chris Reynolds is pretty good.

1118
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 2: So there's your silver lining. Don't count Charlotte's offense out.

1119
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 2: You will be able to score on them. I like

1120
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 2: their uniforms too.

1121
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 4: Let's be real, I would just say, yeah, you can

1122
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 4: say that about a lot of the bottom of the conference.

1123
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,439
Speaker 2: That there's just that's not necessarily the most insightful thing.

1124
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 2: But I think as we tend to think of things

1125
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: in terms of like half teams. I think Charlotte on

1126
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 2: the Conference USA side is definitely one of those schools

1127
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 2: that fits that category pretty well. The offense should be good,

1128
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 2: defense maybe not so much.

1129
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 4: Okay, who else do you have? Give me some more

1130
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 4: silver linings. As you know, the drive to six is

1131
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 4: the sort of ubiquitous or omnipotent driving theme of your

1132
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 4: Your Mighty Ducks comparison.

1133
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 2: The silver lining with UAB that they're a full on

1134
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 2: good team in program. The silver lining with UAB is

1135
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 2: that they're a good program. They're a good program that

1136
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: Bill Clark rebuilt from the studs, literally from the studs

1137
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 2: when this program was not a program. He's been there

1138
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 2: in some capacity since twenty fourteen, but continuously from twenty

1139
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 2: seventeen until a couple weeks ago when he decided to

1140
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 2: retire because the chronic back issues. Poor guy needs spinal fusion,

1141
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 2: which sucks, sucks awful, turning it over in the interim

1142
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 2: to Brian Vincent. Brian Vincent was endorsed by Bill Clark

1143
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 2: for the job. They're going to give him a one

1144
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 2: year audition, so he is an interesting character to follow.

1145
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 2: On a number of different levels. If Bill Clark were

1146
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: there just doing his thing, I think far and away

1147
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 2: UAB would be the odds on favorite to win this conference.

1148
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 3: They are very good.

1149
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 2: It's a good team, top forty caliber team last season,

1150
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 2: a lot back on offense, some questions about the defensive front,

1151
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 2: but all told, probably the best team in conference. Brian

1152
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 2: Vincent is a very interesting character in the story. How

1153
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: does he assemble those pieces? To what end? Can he

1154
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 2: keep the train going in Birmingham and keep that program

1155
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 2: on the rails? I think because of the returning production

1156
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 2: on offense. I still like you a be a great

1157
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 2: deal now if you're a Western Kentucky fan, if you're

1158
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 2: a Charlotte fan, if you're a fan of another one

1159
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 2: of these programs in the Conference USA, Suddenly maybe it's

1160
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 2: not as out of reach as it seen before. If

1161
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 2: that makes sense. I'm really struggling here, but I'm doing

1162
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: the best I can to sell you on it.

1163
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 4: You're not buying the return of Mike McIntyre to the

1164
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 4: head coaching world and Tyrese Chambers, who's.

1165
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: Actually really good. Yeah, but yeah, they're not going to

1166
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: be good. Okay, that's reasonable.

1167
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's nothing obvious to Conference USA at this point.

1168
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 2: Now there's nothing obvious, and that's that that kind of

1169
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 2: feeds into the whole misfits theme. You know, if you

1170
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 2: pull anything away from this style of preview odd pairings

1171
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 2: on the Big twelve side, at least on your side

1172
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 2: of the Big twelve and kind of a collection of

1173
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 2: misfits in a sense. And I don't I mean that

1174
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 2: in a derogatory way at all, but that's just kind

1175
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 2: of a hand that many of these teams have been dealt.

1176
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 2: That's what maybe you should take away from Conference US.

1177
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 4: Say, there is one one bit of continuity rights as

1178
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 4: Bill Clark retires for health reasons, as nobody can get

1179
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 4: it working at FIU ever, because it's a kind of

1180
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 4: a disastrous administration with Western Kentucky bringing in and then

1181
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 4: I'm sure you have WKU thoughts bringing in a very

1182
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 4: successful offense, and then of course the successful offense moving

1183
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 4: on rick Stock still you can set your watch to

1184
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 4: Ricky Stocks at Middle Tennessee. And so that's at least

1185
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 4: a silver lining of the continuity. The other you know,

1186
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 4: the comeback last year and making a bowl game, winning

1187
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 4: a bowl game. I mean, there is a little bit

1188
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 4: of interesting continuity there.

1189
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean talk about Rick stock Still and Middle Tennessee.

1190
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 2: They've got good skill talent, but they only have one

1191
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 2: offensive linement back and that's in part due to a

1192
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,919
Speaker 2: lot of guys transferring out. They really got hit hard

1193
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 2: by the portal and so that makes them interesting, right,

1194
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 2: Like how is all that going to fit together? The

1195
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 2: defense last year was actually quite good. It was very

1196
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 2: kind of like anonymous to college football fans across the

1197
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 2: board because Middle Tennessee is not exactly a name brand

1198
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 2: program that people are going to talk about on Sunday

1199
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 2: mornings and react to kind of in the national sphere.

1200
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 3: Of the way we do.

1201
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 2: But they should be solid again this year. There is

1202
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 2: some turnover, but I think they're going to be really good,

1203
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 2: especially in the trenches. Jordan Ferguson is their big name

1204
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 2: to know along the defensive line is very good, and

1205
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 2: so I think he will help give them that pop

1206
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 2: up front. The end of September through October is going

1207
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 2: to define the season. I am optimistic about the defense,

1208
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 2: and I'm optimistic that they can assemble the pieces on

1209
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 2: offense and figure out some combination for that line to

1210
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 2: give that skill talent a chance to shine. If they can't,

1211
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 2: then it's going to be a problem. But I guess

1212
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 2: the silver lining for Middle Tennessee is that they're in

1213
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 2: a whole lot of shut down defenses in the conference.

1214
01:01:58,600 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 2: So if it takes you a little bit to figure

1215
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 2: out that line, probably still be okay.

1216
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 4: So another thing of interest about Middle Tennessee, and I'm

1217
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 4: sure this won't come true this year, but the number

1218
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 4: three program in terms of how cleanly they covered games

1219
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 4: last year by an average of seven point nine points covering. Now,

1220
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 4: they were only fifty three percent winning against the spread.

1221
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 4: I mean, they won fifty percent of their games against

1222
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 4: the spread. But in terms of the ease of cover

1223
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 4: interesting they led the FBS I think in total takeaways

1224
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 4: on defense, so opportunistic defense. That's probably going to come

1225
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 4: back to earth. My very entry level high school statistics

1226
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 4: tells me that there is a regression with something as

1227
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 4: random as turnovers. Can be sure, but you're not wrong.

1228
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 4: You're not wrong that this is sort of always going

1229
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 4: to be a moderately successful program because of the continuity

1230
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 4: of having I don't think his kid is still playing quarterback,

1231
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 4: but Rick Stock still still there.

1232
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 2: Rick Stock still is still there, And look there have

1233
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 2: been some folks who are running out of patients with

1234
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 2: Rick stockstill it was editor in the past. With Middle

1235
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 2: Tennessee football, remains to be seen if he can kind

1236
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 2: of turn this thing fully around and get him back

1237
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 2: to where they once were. But we'll see, we'll see.

1238
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 2: He's got ball.

1239
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: Teams are fun.

1240
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, both teams are fun.

1241
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 2: The last one that I've got here in front of me,

1242
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 2: and again there will be a part two for Big

1243
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 2: twelve in conference. To us say is Western Kentucky. Western

1244
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 2: Kentucky was one of the most interesting stories last year,

1245
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 2: and I think to some extent they will be equally

1246
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 2: as maybe not equally but close to equally as interesting

1247
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 2: this year. The story for them last year is that

1248
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 2: they went out and basically got Houston Baptists to transfer

1249
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 2: in right they got.

1250
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: We dedicated a show to their quarterback.

1251
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 2: We dedicated a show to Bailey Zappi, who went on

1252
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 2: to be drafted by New England Patriots, set a bunch

1253
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 2: of FBS records. Had a great season under the Zach

1254
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 2: Kitley offense. But the way it worked last year is

1255
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 2: they're looking for a new offensive coordinator. They hired Zach

1256
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 2: Kittley because Zach Kittley came. Zach Kittley brought a bunch

1257
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 2: of guys with him from Houston Baptist and the offense popped.

1258
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 2: This was the top twenty five caliber team. Is the

1259
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 2: top five caliber offense. They are very very good, scored

1260
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 2: a lot of points. We're a lot of fun to watch.

1261
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 2: I mentioned Bailey Zappi. He played his way into the

1262
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 2: NFL through sixty two touchdowns, completed about seventy percent of

1263
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 2: his passes and through sixty two touchdowns, which is ridiculous.

1264
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 2: Zach Kittley's gone now, he went to Texas Tech. He's

1265
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 2: going to take some of that flare down to Lubbock.

1266
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 2: But again, there has definitely been this propensity to go

1267
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 2: out there and recruit the portal hard. This is turning

1268
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 2: into a bit of a trend with Western Kentucky. So

1269
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 2: a lot of turnover, but they hit the portal hard.

1270
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 2: The new quarterback is Jared Daggy. You remember him, right,

1271
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 2: We talked about it earlier.

1272
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: He was at Bowling Green.

1273
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was at West Virginia last season. Through something

1274
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 2: like nineteen touchdowns to twelve interceptions, he was not super

1275
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 2: effective at quarterback. Let's be real, A Jared Dagy's going

1276
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 2: to be the new quarterback. I think the most interesting

1277
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 2: thing about Western I don't expect at all that they're

1278
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 2: going to have the same level of production as they

1279
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 2: did a year ago. I do think there is at

1280
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 2: least a blueprint here, though, for a program that went

1281
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 2: out that brought in pieces that it thought could be successful,

1282
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 2: assembled them on short notice, and had a really good

1283
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 2: season last year. This is a good team, so I

1284
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 2: think they've proven that they can do it. Probably won't

1285
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 2: get to nine wins again like they did a year ago,

1286
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 2: but I think this is still a bowl team. I

1287
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 2: think this is going to be an interesting school to

1288
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 2: follow through the early part of the season, especially just

1289
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 2: as they're assembling the pieces, as we're getting to know

1290
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 2: the new names in this new incarnation of the program.

1291
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: I hope, so, I hope.

1292
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 2: So.

1293
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 4: I have my questions, just because that defense was quietly

1294
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 4: pretty rough and they needed all sixty two of those

1295
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 4: touchdowns from Bailey z Appy. So they were winning a

1296
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 4: bunch of shootouts last year. Yeah, I just I don't

1297
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 4: know if they're the firepower. I mean, it's not even

1298
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 4: just Bailey's Appy. It was what Jareed Stearns was the

1299
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 4: guy who popped on like a big kind of national

1300
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 4: level last year. I think I don't know if he

1301
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 4: was drafted, but he's in an NFL camp. I think

1302
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 4: at this point it's just, you know, they needed all

1303
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Speaker 4: of that firepower and if the offense is merely pretty good,

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Speaker 4: they're they're going to be fighting for Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, they also lost Mitchell Tinsley,

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Speaker 2: who transferred up the Penn State. I talked a lot

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Speaker 2: about him, right yes, spring. I really like what he

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Speaker 2: brings to the Nitney Lions. So just a lot of

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Speaker 2: turnover here. That's really the theme for Western. We'll see

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Speaker 2: what they can do. Vegas and all that spooked Frankly.

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Speaker 2: Vegas is at eight and a half with Western Kentucky,

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Speaker 2: which feels aggressive to me, that feels high, So I'd

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Speaker 2: probably be inclined a bit under the big games that

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Speaker 2: you need to know about. Okay, October eighth, we've got

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Speaker 2: Western Kentucky at UTSA. UTSA will preview on the next

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Speaker 2: episode UAB at Western Kentucky October twenty first, and then

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Speaker 2: November fifth, that first week in November when things really

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Speaker 2: start to heat up, we've got UTSA against UAB. Utsa

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Speaker 2: should be pretty good again. Next episode we'll talk more

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Speaker 2: about them. But Utsa versus UAB, I think is going

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Speaker 2: to be the big one that ultimately decides Conference USA.

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Speaker 4: All right, cool, I appreciate all the silver linings.

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Speaker 2: Thank you one, Thank you all for downloading for listening

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Speaker 2: to Big twelve Conference USA Preview Part one. We will

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Speaker 2: be back next time. We'll talk about Texas schools in

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Speaker 2: Iowa State. We'll also talk about any schools that we

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Speaker 2: missed on the Conference USA side, and we will do

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Speaker 2: our best to frame it in terms of a movie

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Speaker 2: that makes it easy for you to understand and relate

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Speaker 2: to your friends who are asking you questions. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: at the.

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Speaker 3: Water cooler about the Big twelve, who among us hasn't.

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Speaker 1: As always object to.

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Speaker 2: four shows come in your way over the span of

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Speaker 2: the next half year or so. Or that guy over there,

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Speaker 2: my good friend Dan Rubinstein for myself, Tie Hildebrand, thanks

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Speaker 2: so much for downloading, listening, and.

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Speaker 3: Playing along at home. We'll talk to y'all very soon.

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Speaker 1: Stay silent peace,