WEBVTT - Ché Ahn - Oct 15 - 9:00 am 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:04.120 You've said it's not the Great Suggestion, it's the Great Commission. 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:07.540 So Jesus didn't suggest, hey, I think this would be 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:10.350 a good idea if you made disciples, but He commanded, 0:00:10.380 --> 0:00:12.770 He commissioned, He has sent us out. 0:00:12.869 --> 0:00:14.890 There was no electric window. I had to roll it down, 0:00:15.390 --> 0:00:17.549 and I had to look out to see what He 0:00:17.590 --> 0:00:19.330 wanted to show me, and I could not believe what 0:00:19.370 --> 0:00:21.930 I saw. I saw the map of the world, the 0:00:21.980 --> 0:00:25.000 relief map, in perfect cloud formation. 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:28.300 There's a breaking, and there's a breakthrough. 0:00:28.780 --> 0:00:29.020 Right? 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:31.420 And a lot of times we're focused on the breakthrough, 0:00:31.460 --> 0:00:34.300 but there is a breaking process. And in between the 0:00:34.340 --> 0:00:37.500 breaking and the breakthrough is the becoming. Hey everyone, welcome 0:00:37.540 --> 0:00:40.559 to the Honest Podcast. Our main goal here is to 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:45.060 reach and impact as many people as possible. So please like, subscribe, 0:00:45.550 --> 0:00:48.110 but most importantly, share this with as many people as 0:00:48.150 --> 0:00:51.580 you can who you think it'll encourage. We greatly appreciate it. 0:00:52.290 --> 0:01:17.789 And now onto the show. Dad, good to be with 0:01:17.830 --> 0:01:18.089 you again. 0:01:18.170 --> 0:01:19.190 Good to be with you. 0:01:19.209 --> 0:01:21.850 By the way, what kind of coffee, what's your favorite coffee? 0:01:22.170 --> 0:01:26.370 My favorite coffee is Pete's. Pete's coffee? Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, 0:01:26.390 --> 0:01:32.060 I just like the dark roast and it's stronger for me. Sure. 0:01:32.390 --> 0:01:34.880 I like my coffee black, but you put a little 0:01:34.900 --> 0:01:36.000 bit of Stevia or Stevia? 0:01:36.060 --> 0:01:37.560 Well, monk fruit. Monk fruit. 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:37.780 Yeah. 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:39.880 Okay. But, you know, I'm trying to just drink it 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:41.380 black because a lot of times I don't have it 0:01:41.420 --> 0:01:43.740 with me. And so I just, I'm learning to drink 0:01:44.260 --> 0:01:47.820 with black gore. If there's half and half, I'll just 0:01:48.660 --> 0:01:50.640 kill the bitter taste with a little bit of cream. Right. 0:01:50.660 --> 0:01:53.040 Well, I think one of God's greatest gifts to mankind 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:55.440 is coffee. And I'm hoping that when we get to heaven, 0:01:55.460 --> 0:01:56.900 there's coffee. We both love coffee. 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.380 That's one thing. Father and son, we both love our coffee. 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:00.120 Yeah, for sure. 0:02:00.700 --> 0:02:02.980 I can't even start reading the Bible without a cup 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:03.340 of coffee. 0:02:03.380 --> 0:02:07.980 Exactly. Coffee before the word. Yeah, for sure. And it's 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:09.480 so good to be with you again and be at 0:02:09.500 --> 0:02:11.920 the table with you. There's so much we can talk about. 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:13.820 But one of the things that's been on my heart 0:02:13.860 --> 0:02:16.890 that I wanted to talk to you about And this 0:02:16.950 --> 0:02:20.150 pertains to everyone, but I want to talk about a 0:02:20.190 --> 0:02:22.710 God-given destiny or God-given calling. 0:02:22.950 --> 0:02:23.190 Right. 0:02:24.090 --> 0:02:26.810 And I know that these words can be used interchangeable. 0:02:27.010 --> 0:02:31.720 There's overlap. It's subjective. There's different definitions. But I also 0:02:31.740 --> 0:02:34.860 want to talk about passion. I want to talk about 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:36.320 gifting versus talent. 0:02:36.780 --> 0:02:36.940 Yeah. 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:40.540 And I want to talk about the difference between a 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.769 godly assignment versus a godly call, right? Yeah. The way 0:02:43.830 --> 0:02:46.650 I think of it is a God-given destiny is what 0:02:46.669 --> 0:02:50.150 you were created for, right? And I believe that every 0:02:50.190 --> 0:02:53.730 person was created by God on purpose and for a purpose. 0:02:53.790 --> 0:02:56.660 So you're a God-given destiny. And we know that it 0:02:56.690 --> 0:02:59.239 says in Psalm 139 that even before we were born, 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.000 He knew us. He formed us in our mother's womb. 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:05.540 So God-given destiny has to do with why we were created. 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:10.180 But I think we also talk about dreams, personal dreams. 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:11.880 I remember when I was growing up, I wanted to 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:13.880 be a doctor, for example. That was a dream of mine. 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.260 But our dreams are not necessarily our calling or our destiny. 0:03:19.100 --> 0:03:22.130 So for you, when you look back, and again, just 0:03:22.150 --> 0:03:24.929 to recap a little bit of your story, you came 0:03:25.010 --> 0:03:28.630 from a very hard background, drug addiction, high school dropout, 0:03:28.990 --> 0:03:31.230 thrown in jail at the age of 16, was it? 0:03:31.230 --> 0:03:33.350 15 when I was in jail, yeah. But then you 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.980 got radically saved at age 17. And when you first 0:03:37.020 --> 0:03:40.440 got saved, what did you think your life was going 0:03:40.460 --> 0:03:42.580 to end up being or how it would turn out 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:43.740 when you first got saved? 0:03:44.140 --> 0:03:46.740 Well, I didn't know because it was just, I mean, 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:52.680 everything was new. But I did feel initially that I 0:03:52.700 --> 0:03:55.180 wanted to serve God in some capacity because I was 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.000 just so grateful for what he did for me. But 0:03:58.100 --> 0:04:02.230 I didn't understand vocational ministry. I didn't understand you could 0:04:02.250 --> 0:04:05.369 serve God in the marketplace. I just wanted to serve God. 0:04:06.190 --> 0:04:09.120 And so it wasn't until I got filled with the 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:12.660 Holy Spirit that I knew I was called to vocational ministry. 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.470 Before you got saved, did you have an idea of 0:04:15.500 --> 0:04:17.290 what you wanted to do with your life or what 0:04:17.310 --> 0:04:18.430 kind of career you wanted to pursue? 0:04:18.510 --> 0:04:22.490 I mean, honestly, my goal was so worldly. 0:04:22.910 --> 0:04:23.450 Make money. 0:04:23.890 --> 0:04:26.600 I just wanted to be a playboy. Oh, okay. I 0:04:26.620 --> 0:04:28.599 just wanted to have all these girls around me. Yeah. 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:30.020 Party all the time. 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:31.640 Korean Hugh Hefner, perhaps? 0:04:31.700 --> 0:04:34.070 I mean, when I saw James Bond, I said, okay, 0:04:34.110 --> 0:04:35.910 I could be James Bond. 0:04:35.950 --> 0:04:38.350 James On. James On. James On. 0:04:38.630 --> 0:04:42.470 Yeah. So that's how worldly I was. I was just 0:04:42.510 --> 0:04:46.390 totally lost. And, you know, I mean, he looked like 0:04:46.420 --> 0:04:49.359 he was having so much fun. And, of course, I 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:53.200 was exposed to Playboy magazine. Never got into pornography, though. 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:58.230 But I just saw that... image of just having all 0:04:58.270 --> 0:05:00.469 these beautiful girls around you. And so I thought that 0:05:00.490 --> 0:05:02.830 would be great. So it wasn't like I know that's 0:05:02.850 --> 0:05:06.029 my calling or vocation. That was just a lustful desire. 0:05:06.230 --> 0:05:08.390 Right. In your eyes, that would be success. 0:05:08.410 --> 0:05:09.030 It would be cool. 0:05:09.230 --> 0:05:11.830 Yeah, it would be cool. But one of the things 0:05:11.870 --> 0:05:14.740 that you had mentioned in a previous conversation was that 0:05:14.779 --> 0:05:17.880 you did have, and again, I want to talk about 0:05:17.940 --> 0:05:20.460 gift versus talent, but you had a gift even before 0:05:20.500 --> 0:05:22.640 you got saved. And the way I would define gift 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.460 is something that's given And in this case, by God, 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.440 a God-given gift, which is different than, in my opinion, 0:05:28.460 --> 0:05:30.760 than a talent. A talent is, I think, something that 0:05:30.779 --> 0:05:33.219 you can develop. Yes, you can develop gift as well. 0:05:33.260 --> 0:05:35.970 But I think a gift is given to you. You're 0:05:36.029 --> 0:05:38.630 born with a gift. So, for example, I think you 0:05:38.670 --> 0:05:41.169 were born with the gift of leadership. I think you 0:05:41.210 --> 0:05:44.169 were born with the gift of making money or stewarding 0:05:44.230 --> 0:05:47.520 money well. So even before you got saved and going 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.980 back to your drug addiction days, you were making money. 0:05:49.980 --> 0:05:53.210 $ 3, 000 a month, which back then was a lot of money, 0:05:53.270 --> 0:05:54.250 just selling drugs. 0:05:54.390 --> 0:05:54.669 Yes. 0:05:54.810 --> 0:05:57.039 So even though the gift wasn't sanctified, it was still 0:05:57.100 --> 0:05:59.840 present in your life. So tell me a little bit 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:00.280 about that. 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:04.380 Well, I believe from a spiritual perspective, when Romans chapter 12, 0:06:04.380 --> 0:06:08.610 that he gave gifts to men, it talks about really 0:06:08.730 --> 0:06:12.970 what we call motivational gifts. For example, those who are 0:06:13.010 --> 0:06:16.589 called to lead, let them lead with diligence. Gift of encouragement. 0:06:16.970 --> 0:06:21.360 Those who serve. Those who are generous. They're philanthropists. They're 0:06:21.380 --> 0:06:24.200 people who like to give. But it mentions the prophetic 0:06:24.260 --> 0:06:27.020 because I believe there are people that are really sensitive 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:32.870 to the spirit world. Unfortunately, that gift is not sanctified. 0:06:33.170 --> 0:06:35.500 And unless you're born again, you'll get into the dark 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:37.910 side of the occult. But I believe a lot of 0:06:37.950 --> 0:06:42.290 people are into psychic reading or poem reading. We're born 0:06:42.330 --> 0:06:46.100 with that prophetic gift. And they discovered it early, and 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.179 it drew them into the dark world without getting saved. 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:51.690 And so I had the gift of leadership. I felt 0:06:51.730 --> 0:06:53.430 like I had the gift of giving. I was always 0:06:53.490 --> 0:06:57.820 generous even before I was saved. But then God sanctifies it. 0:06:58.470 --> 0:07:01.510 The same is true when it comes to Ephesians 4.11. 0:07:01.510 --> 0:07:04.680 I believe when the Bible says, when he ascended on high, 0:07:04.690 --> 0:07:08.320 he gave some to be apostles, verse 11, Ephesians 4.11, 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.780 some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, pastors, teachers, 0:07:11.740 --> 0:07:14.440 The reason why I say that he's given this to everyone, 0:07:14.460 --> 0:07:18.160 because when he ascended, he gave gifts to anthropos, that 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.540 Greek word for men. It doesn't say believers. He gave 0:07:21.580 --> 0:07:24.720 it to everyone. So, for example, you see someone who's 0:07:24.780 --> 0:07:27.630 a CEO, someone who's like President Trump. I believe he 0:07:27.670 --> 0:07:30.450 has an apostolic gift. And then when you get saved, 0:07:30.510 --> 0:07:34.070 it gets sanctified. So I feel I had an apostolic gift. 0:07:34.210 --> 0:07:38.950 I was always leading people. my gangs, you know, kids 0:07:38.990 --> 0:07:39.670 in rebellion. 0:07:39.710 --> 0:07:40.170 Your crew. 0:07:40.570 --> 0:07:43.750 My crew. I literally had a gang of drug dealers 0:07:43.850 --> 0:07:46.440 who sold drugs for me. And so I used that 0:07:46.510 --> 0:07:49.720 Apostolic gift in the world before I got saved. But 0:07:49.780 --> 0:07:52.580 once you got saved, it's sanctified. And now I understand 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:54.420 I'm called to be an apostle in the body of Christ. 0:07:54.500 --> 0:07:57.380 And now I have pastors that I'm serving. And it's 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:01.380 a different perspective because it's serving leadership. And so it's 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.960 not like the world where I'm the boss Apostles, but 0:08:04.770 --> 0:08:07.360 how can I serve others and make them a success? 0:08:07.500 --> 0:08:08.820 So it's an upside-down kingdom. 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.900 I love that. You mentioned the word anthropos, the Greek word, 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.320 but it really stands for mankind, not just men. 0:08:14.500 --> 0:08:16.560 Absolutely, for men and women. 0:08:16.580 --> 0:08:20.860 For men and women. And so when you talk about 0:08:21.380 --> 0:08:23.540 the gift of God, the calling of God on your life, 0:08:24.060 --> 0:08:26.530 which was present, even though it wasn't sanctified, it was 0:08:26.630 --> 0:08:30.190 present before you got saved, then you get saved, and 0:08:30.250 --> 0:08:33.790 so then you want to serve God through leadership, through ministry, 0:08:34.210 --> 0:08:37.250 And I'm taking back to the story of you. I 0:08:37.910 --> 0:08:39.849 think you were in college, and you felt like the 0:08:39.890 --> 0:08:41.870 Holy Spirit said to pull over. Can you share a 0:08:41.870 --> 0:08:43.150 little bit about what happened? 0:08:43.170 --> 0:08:48.290 Yeah, I think it was 1975. So it was when 0:08:48.340 --> 0:08:52.400 I was a sophomore. So I went to Maryland in 1974. 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:56.540 So the reason why, because I journal. I've been journaling 0:08:56.600 --> 0:09:01.070 since 1975. In fact, this encounter... was one of the 0:09:01.130 --> 0:09:04.390 things that allowed me to be motivated to continue to journal. 0:09:04.429 --> 0:09:07.429 I started journaling a few months before that. But I 0:09:07.490 --> 0:09:09.990 was at a red light, and I heard the small, 0:09:10.030 --> 0:09:13.230 still voice, not thoughtable voice, and I heard the Lord say, 0:09:13.290 --> 0:09:15.340 look out the window, I want to show you something. 0:09:15.460 --> 0:09:16.910 So in order for me to do that, I had 0:09:16.929 --> 0:09:21.359 to literally roll down my Volkswagen window. Intentionally, there was 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.760 no electric window. I had to roll it down, and 0:09:23.780 --> 0:09:26.059 I had to look out to see what he wanted 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:27.959 to show me, and I could not believe what I saw. 0:09:28.610 --> 0:09:30.910 I saw the map of the world, the relief map, 0:09:31.590 --> 0:09:35.310 in perfect cloud formation. Wow. So North America, Latin America. 0:09:35.610 --> 0:09:37.390 It was so stunning, son, that I had to pull 0:09:37.410 --> 0:09:39.470 the car to the side of the road to get 0:09:39.570 --> 0:09:42.650 out because I thought, surely I'm seeing things. Surely the 0:09:42.690 --> 0:09:43.600 wind would distort it. 0:09:43.860 --> 0:09:44.080 Right. 0:09:44.100 --> 0:09:45.750 Because, you know, when you're a kid, you could just 0:09:46.270 --> 0:09:46.910 be on your back. 0:09:46.929 --> 0:09:47.620 See animals. 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.800 See animals. And an elephant turns into a giraffe within 0:09:50.820 --> 0:09:53.820 a matter of seconds, right? Because the wind is changing it. Right, right. 0:09:54.380 --> 0:09:57.540 But the wind wasn't changing it. And it seemed like 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:00.560 five minutes. It stayed that way. But I think it 0:10:00.580 --> 0:10:03.880 was shorter than that. It was just, I just looked 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.360 and I said, why are you showing me this? And 0:10:06.460 --> 0:10:08.679 I heard the Lord say, I've called you to the nations. 0:10:09.190 --> 0:10:13.050 You will impact every nation, especially the nations that are 0:10:13.090 --> 0:10:16.370 proportionally larger than the rest. And the nations that were 0:10:16.429 --> 0:10:23.750 larger than the rest were China, India, Russia, and Australia. Interesting. 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:28.400 Very interesting. To this day, looking back now, 52 years 0:10:28.460 --> 0:10:32.280 of Walk with the Lord, HIM started in 1996. We 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:37.970 are in all those nations, but especially in India and China, 0:10:38.390 --> 0:10:40.470 even though we can't legally have a church there because 0:10:40.550 --> 0:10:44.310 of the communist government and three-self law. We have impacted 0:10:44.350 --> 0:10:48.630 China by raising up over 800 apostles. We have trained 0:10:48.650 --> 0:10:54.080 them through Wagner University. So the tremendous impact, plus we 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:58.220 do have an apostolic center in China, but it's underground, 0:10:58.260 --> 0:10:59.940 and we have to be very careful about how we 0:10:59.980 --> 0:11:03.800 navigate our ministry in China. But those nations, we've had 0:11:03.850 --> 0:11:07.369 an impact. I would say probably the least impact is Australia, 0:11:07.730 --> 0:11:10.090 but I'm continuing to let to go there because of 0:11:10.150 --> 0:11:12.670 this encounter I had in 1975. 0:11:12.670 --> 0:11:16.610 We're talking about, I mean, 50 years ago you had this, 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.040 And this is, of course, not only did you not 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.739 have electric windows, but no cell phone, right? So you 0:11:21.780 --> 0:11:22.559 couldn't take a picture. 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:24.559 Back in those days, there was no computer. I didn't 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.820 type my journal, which I do today with my laptop. 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.959 So I hand wrote my, I said, I had an 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:34.120 amazing encounter yesterday because I'm now writing for the day before. 0:11:34.700 --> 0:11:36.339 And I actually have it, and maybe we could even 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:36.750 show it. 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:37.960 Yeah, we'll show that for sure. 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.700 So take a picture of that. Then I drew the map, 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.720 and I'm not even an artist. I'm so lousy. But 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.260 I did the best I can to show the proportion 0:11:46.300 --> 0:11:49.660 of the, So it was North America, Latin America, Europe, Africa, 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:53.790 and then China and India just stand out huge. And 0:11:53.850 --> 0:11:57.189 then you see Australia. And so all the countries. Now, 0:11:57.230 --> 0:12:02.489 what's amazing, in 1995, when we left the vineyard, I 0:12:02.530 --> 0:12:05.290 was looking for another network to be part of. That's 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.780 in itself a long story, but it was of the 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:12.680 Lord that John Wimber asked us to leave. Because we 0:12:12.700 --> 0:12:15.760 were having nightly meetings. It was so controversial because we 0:12:15.780 --> 0:12:18.520 were having meetings at Ma'at HaTorah. And he said, if 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.820 you want to stay, we want you to stay, actually. 0:12:20.860 --> 0:12:22.350 We want you to still be part of the vineyard, 0:12:22.370 --> 0:12:25.090 but you have to stop the nightly meetings. When God 0:12:25.130 --> 0:12:27.430 spoke to us so clearly that we're to host the 0:12:27.470 --> 0:12:29.750 Holy Spirit, and I knew I would be disobeying God 0:12:29.790 --> 0:12:32.270 if we stopped the meeting. So I just said to 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.440 the leadership of vineyard with Lou Engel and I were 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.420 meeting with them. that we, this was December the 7th, 0:12:37.580 --> 0:12:40.120 because I remember that was the day of Infamy, when 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.939 Pearl Harbor was born. So I said, it's really interesting, 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:44.640 we're meeting on December 7th, so that was in the 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:49.100 back of my mind. And so when they asked us 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:52.420 to stop the meetings, we said, we need to continue, 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:55.330 because we would be dishonoring God, and questioning the Holy 0:12:55.370 --> 0:12:57.949 Spirit if we disobeyed Him. They said, we agree with you. 0:12:58.429 --> 0:12:59.730 We think you should continue. 0:13:00.390 --> 0:13:01.329 But not in the vineyard. 0:13:01.370 --> 0:13:03.469 But not as a vineyard. Right, right, right. And then 0:13:03.530 --> 0:13:06.250 we had no other choice. So they laid hands on 0:13:06.350 --> 0:13:08.550 us and sent us out. I said to Lou, that 0:13:08.750 --> 0:13:11.829 may be the nicest left foot of fellowship anyone had 0:13:11.850 --> 0:13:14.650 in church history. They were so nice to us and 0:13:14.670 --> 0:13:15.320 so kind to us. 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:16.680 But we were out. 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.880 And that's when Cindy Jacobs called me right after that 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.540 and said, you're not enjoying another network. I've called you 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.320 to be an apostle. You'll be like Father Abraham. You 0:13:25.380 --> 0:13:29.420 have churches in every continent. The moment she said that, 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.490 that vision came right back into my mind. Because it's 0:13:32.530 --> 0:13:36.110 the first time anything close to anyone prophesying that word 0:13:36.550 --> 0:13:39.490 or anyone talking about that word came into being. And 0:13:39.570 --> 0:13:42.869 I said to myself, OMG, this is the beginning. And 0:13:42.929 --> 0:13:46.040 now we're on every continent. Obviously, we're not in Antarctica, 0:13:46.059 --> 0:13:48.439 but that was not part of the vision. 0:13:48.460 --> 0:13:51.100 Sure, sure. But 72 nations, I believe, at this point. 0:13:51.100 --> 0:13:53.650 72 nations now, by the grace of God. God did it. 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:55.990 It's based on a prophetic word, but I knew that 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.050 was part of my calling. And it still is, because 0:13:59.070 --> 0:14:02.790 I'm called to the nations. Hi, I'm Jay Ahn. I'm 0:14:02.830 --> 0:14:07.810 the president and founder of Harvest International Ministry. Harvest International Ministry, 0:14:08.150 --> 0:14:10.870 the acronym is actually HIM. It's all about him. It's 0:14:10.929 --> 0:14:13.880 all about Jesus and his kingdom. It was started in 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:17.920 1996 with a vision of reaching the unreached peoples of 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.900 the earth. Since then, Revive was broken down, and now 0:14:20.940 --> 0:14:25.080 we're in 70 nations with thousands of churches as part 0:14:25.300 --> 0:14:28.660 of HIM. We didn't start all these churches. We have 0:14:28.740 --> 0:14:33.150 empowered leaders national leaders in respective nations, and giving them 0:14:33.170 --> 0:14:37.340 the resources to start these churches, including finances. And I 0:14:37.390 --> 0:14:39.500 believe that God's going to fill the earth with His 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:44.120 glory as the water covers the sea, as Habakkuk 2.14 prophesies. 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.220 Will you partner with us and reach your nations? We're 0:14:47.300 --> 0:14:50.940 serious about fulfilling the Great Commission. And I promise you, 0:14:50.980 --> 0:14:54.100 every cent will be used to advance God's kingdom, including 0:14:54.500 --> 0:14:57.400 preaching the gospel of the kingdom with signs and wonders 0:14:57.460 --> 0:15:03.320 following on our television show. For more information, go to harvestim.org. 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:08.080 And by the way, you don't need to have a 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.790 dream or a vision. The scripture is clear that we're 0:15:11.810 --> 0:15:14.950 to disciple nations. We're all committed to do our part, 0:15:14.990 --> 0:15:18.510 whatever that would be. But for me, it meant specifically 0:15:19.050 --> 0:15:22.350 go to these nations and start discipling them. Matthew 28, 0:15:22.350 --> 0:15:24.700 18 through 20, all authority has been given to me 0:15:25.140 --> 0:15:28.620 in heaven and on earth. Therefore, make disciples of nations, 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.060 baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:34.660 the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey everything I've commanded you. 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.000 And that's the discipleship part that we have to teach 0:15:37.220 --> 0:15:40.560 and indoctrinate people in the word, not just baptize them 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:44.740 in water, but baptize them and immerse them in biblical worldview. 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.000 And then he says, I'm with you always, which of 0:15:48.060 --> 0:15:50.820 course he's with us. But I believe that his favor, 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:53.820 his presence, his power will be those who are committed 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:54.240 to the great grace. 0:15:54.260 --> 0:15:57.380 That's so incredible because when I'm hearing you say this, 0:15:58.060 --> 0:16:00.720 I'm thinking of people who are listening who are part 0:16:00.740 --> 0:16:02.840 of this conversation that say, well, I don't know what 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.070 my destiny is. I don't know what my calling is, 0:16:05.110 --> 0:16:07.610 which again, I think those words could be used interchangeably. 0:16:08.250 --> 0:16:11.690 But what you're saying is that everyone has the same call. 0:16:12.470 --> 0:16:15.480 As a believer, we are all called. We are all, 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:19.300 so to speak, given the destiny, the life destiny to 0:16:19.380 --> 0:16:22.920 make disciples of all nations. So what that looks like, 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:26.120 of course... It's going to be different based on the person, 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.090 based on the path that they take. 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.090 God may be calling you to be a businessman and 0:16:31.130 --> 0:16:34.190 to make money and to sow into the nations. But 0:16:34.330 --> 0:16:37.650 somehow your destiny has to be aligned with his destiny, 0:16:37.710 --> 0:16:40.890 which is a great commission. And so one way or 0:16:40.910 --> 0:16:43.820 the other, and I promise, if you will do that alignment, 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.220 you'll be successful, whatever God's called you to be. He's 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:49.240 going to bless that. Because the covenant he made with Abraham, 0:16:49.860 --> 0:16:52.720 before his name was changed to Abraham, once Abram, In 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.240 Genesis chapter 12, he says, I'm going to bless you. 0:16:55.260 --> 0:16:59.380 Because he gave Abraham a destiny. He's going to be 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:03.390 a father of many. And he says, as far as 0:17:03.690 --> 0:17:05.950 the eyes can see the stars and the grain of sand, 0:17:05.970 --> 0:17:08.389 this is in Genesis 15. But in Genesis 12, he 0:17:08.430 --> 0:17:10.530 says this, I'm going to bless you so all the 0:17:10.690 --> 0:17:13.930 families of the earth will be blessed through you. Amazing. 0:17:14.410 --> 0:17:16.970 So when you are committed to blessing the families by 0:17:17.030 --> 0:17:19.890 bringing the gospel one way or the other, whether it's sowing, 0:17:20.170 --> 0:17:23.590 whether it's praying for the nation, through short-term missions, whether 0:17:23.770 --> 0:17:26.550 it's actually doing what I'm doing, actually helping churches get 0:17:26.850 --> 0:17:31.270 established in these nations and ministries established, or it's setting 0:17:31.310 --> 0:17:34.820 up a seminar to teaching these nations, some way or another, 0:17:35.180 --> 0:17:37.419 if you give yourself, feeding the poor in these nations, 0:17:37.460 --> 0:17:41.719 that's part of it, helping the orphans, taking care of 0:17:41.820 --> 0:17:44.880 orphans in these nations, doing whatever you can to bring 0:17:44.940 --> 0:17:49.310 about the fulfillment of the Great Commission, I believe that 0:17:49.350 --> 0:17:51.750 God will bless you. So I have been so blessed 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.420 You know our family has been so blessed because we 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:56.690 made the Great Commission a top priority. 0:17:56.750 --> 0:17:59.730 Well, I'm a direct recipient of the blessing of God. 0:17:59.750 --> 0:18:02.609 You know, He's the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. 0:18:02.750 --> 0:18:03.750 He's the God of generations. 0:18:03.770 --> 0:18:04.470 Great generations. 0:18:04.670 --> 0:18:08.400 And so there's even a generational blessing that comes with obedience. 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:10.580 But two things stand out to me as you're sharing 0:18:10.980 --> 0:18:13.940 because I've been in many different settings where these two 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:17.160 things stand out. One, you've said it's not the Great Suggestion. 0:18:17.420 --> 0:18:17.660 Right. 0:18:17.700 --> 0:18:18.680 It's the Great Commission. 0:18:18.850 --> 0:18:19.030 Right. 0:18:19.470 --> 0:18:22.070 So Jesus didn't suggest, hey, I think this would be 0:18:22.090 --> 0:18:24.869 a good idea if you made disciples, but he commanded, 0:18:24.930 --> 0:18:28.530 he commissioned, he has sent us out. So we need 0:18:28.550 --> 0:18:31.470 to take that seriously. The second thing is I love 0:18:31.510 --> 0:18:34.950 whenever we're in a church setting, and I know it's 0:18:35.010 --> 0:18:39.170 kind of become a tongue-in-cheek type of joke, but you'll 0:18:39.210 --> 0:18:41.310 literally say, how many of you in this room or 0:18:41.330 --> 0:18:46.820 this auditorium are ministers? And without fail, every time you 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:50.200 do that, I always see, a smaller number of hands 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:52.620 go up than you would think. And then you have 0:18:52.660 --> 0:18:55.420 to kind of coach them along and say, listen, every 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:58.140 hand should go up. Because I'm not just talking about 0:18:58.220 --> 0:19:00.640 those who are called to vocational ministry, even though there 0:19:00.740 --> 0:19:03.959 are people called to that, like you and I have 0:19:03.980 --> 0:19:06.670 been called to that. But your point is, is that 0:19:06.750 --> 0:19:08.929 no matter if we're in business, if we're in the 0:19:08.950 --> 0:19:12.230 entertainment industry, if we're called to philanthropy, if we're called 0:19:12.310 --> 0:19:15.790 to vocational ministry, we're all to be ministers. So those 0:19:15.830 --> 0:19:17.909 are two things I stand out. So For those who 0:19:17.950 --> 0:19:20.470 are joining us in the conversation today, I just want 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:24.040 to encourage our listeners to know that they do have 0:19:24.060 --> 0:19:25.060 a God-given destiny. 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:25.920 Yeah, they do. 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:28.640 And it's to make disciples of all nations, but that 0:19:28.700 --> 0:19:31.720 they're also called as ministers, even if they're not in 0:19:31.780 --> 0:19:36.050 vocational ministry. Now, that being said, of course, everyone also 0:19:36.130 --> 0:19:40.469 has a God-given destiny in terms of how we're to 0:19:40.530 --> 0:19:44.490 pursue or fulfill that purpose, right? So for me, I 0:19:44.550 --> 0:19:48.280 feel called the entertainment industry, for example. One of my passions, 0:19:48.380 --> 0:19:49.950 and this is something I also want to talk about, 0:19:50.770 --> 0:19:53.129 one of my passions is I have a heart for 0:19:53.190 --> 0:19:56.050