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Speaker 1: Wow, Hey everybody, It's Monday, August twenty fifth, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. But we're doing

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Speaker 2: everything under the sun to get ready for Week one.

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Speaker 2: It's me and your man, MG Marcus grand Joy by

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Speaker 2: Michael Florio and Lakwan Jones.

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Speaker 3: LaQuan, you said an.

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Speaker 2: Interesting thing right before we started the show. My back hurts, ude,

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Speaker 2: don't same. Don't think I didn't catch that, right.

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Speaker 4: And listen in a in a vacuum.

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Speaker 2: It's not a big deal, right, Like we all are

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Speaker 2: there at some point, right, But as somebody who has,

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Speaker 2: you know, been pounding the drum for a quarterback with

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Speaker 2: a hurt back, it just it just seemed ironic.

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Speaker 3: It just seemed ironic.

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Speaker 5: You know what.

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Speaker 6: And just like Stafford, I'm doing everything under the sun

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Speaker 6: to be able to get up and perform. I am

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Speaker 6: year in this uncomfortable computer chair with a sore back.

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Speaker 2: And the difference is no one's gonna come and hit

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Speaker 2: you while you're doing this show.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I have a nine year old son that

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Speaker 6: is getting a little heavy handed, and so I had

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Speaker 6: to put that on hold to see we have.

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Speaker 5: Some family in town right now. We gave them our bedroom,

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Speaker 5: and I'm sleeping in the guest room right now and

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Speaker 5: my back is killing me. Maybe Stafford was just being

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Speaker 5: a good host.

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Speaker 4: For me, That's what it was.

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Speaker 2: He just gave his bedroom to his in laws. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I feel like he has a pom enough house that

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Speaker 5: Guest room is probably the size of my house, right,

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Speaker 5: I'm sure.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure that's most likely we got This is the

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Speaker 3: dead week.

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Speaker 2: This is the start of the dead week before the

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Speaker 2: regular season starts, before we actually get into Week one,

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Speaker 2: we finished up the preseason, so you know, instead of

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Speaker 2: trying to like dissect who did well in the preseason.

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Speaker 3: We know we talked some draft strategies today.

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Speaker 2: We'll do some bold prediction later on in the week,

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Speaker 2: but figured we'll dive into sort of how we approach

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Speaker 2: drafts and give you some thoughts and some pointers on

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Speaker 2: some things to consider when you're getting into your draft.

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Speaker 2: So that'll be the bulk of the show today. But

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Speaker 2: I want to get started with a little.

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Speaker 3: Bit of news, including big piece of news that happened

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Speaker 3: earlier on Monday morning. That is Terry McLaurin doing what

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Speaker 3: we all figured he was going to do, and that's

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Speaker 3: agreeing to an extension with the Washington commanders three years.

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Speaker 3: We're up to ninety six million dollars, including a thirty

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Speaker 3: million dollars signing bonus. I mean, l Q, I think

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Speaker 3: we were all here.

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Speaker 2: I think we were all assuming that this was going

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Speaker 2: to end with Washington and McLaurin coming to an agreement.

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Speaker 2: He obviously misses the entirety of the preseason, misses the

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Speaker 2: entirety of training camp, which maybe is a calculated.

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Speaker 3: Move, in which case, hey man, I'm not mad at you.

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Speaker 3: Good on you, But we've seen guys in the past

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Speaker 3: hold out and then get off to slow starts. Looking

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Speaker 3: at you, Brandon Aiyuk. This is then McLaurin holdout.

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Speaker 2: Make a difference in where you feel comfortable drafting him.

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Speaker 6: Well, this was the week, Like this was like, all right,

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Speaker 6: if they don't get it done this week, I'm completely

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Speaker 6: off the terror McLaurin chip because it's like he's going

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Speaker 6: to be so rusty, Like this man probably hasn't ran

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Speaker 6: full speed for at least three months. Like it's like

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Speaker 6: the conditioning of being in yoga.

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Speaker 4: Working out, not in yoga that ain't working out, brother, Like.

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Speaker 3: That in there.

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Speaker 5: He has a field of his own arm.

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Speaker 3: Man, have you done? Have you done hot yoga? Man?

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Speaker 3: That's a workout bro? Yeah right, not those good guys. Well,

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Speaker 3: this is how I die. This is how it is.

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Speaker 6: But I feel comfortable where I've been getting him in

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Speaker 6: drafts like these last two weeks, a lot of home leagues,

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Speaker 6: a lot of redraft leagues have been popping off, and

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Speaker 6: like I was able to grab him as my wide

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Speaker 6: receiver three in a lot of these leagues. Like, he

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Speaker 6: looks pretty damn good when you're able to have like

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Speaker 6: your alpha wide receiver, your wide receiver two. And then

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Speaker 6: Tarry mclauren. I mean, we've probably seen a ceiling of

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Speaker 6: last season, but I don't care. He's my wide receiver

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Speaker 6: three and a lot of the.

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Speaker 5: I assume that discount's gone now it never should have

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Speaker 5: been to begin with. Like I I mean, I've been

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Speaker 5: pretty like this is going to get settled because it

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Speaker 5: made too much sense not to like view it from

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Speaker 5: the commander's eyes, Like you have the lot of cap,

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Speaker 5: you have a franchise quarterback on a rookie deal. You

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Speaker 5: have the most excited your fan base has ever been

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Speaker 5: in probably forty years, thirty maybe not forty, but like

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Speaker 5: thirty twenty five years, Like, so you got to take

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Speaker 5: care of that. I have not taken Terry, but I

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Speaker 5: will say this, I am almost always routinely I feel

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Speaker 5: like much higher than consensus on Terry. I have him

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Speaker 5: as my water receiver twelve. Never took him out of

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Speaker 5: my top twelve. And I think one two things I'm

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Speaker 5: gonna push back on. People are gonna bring up Brandon Nyuk.

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Speaker 5: Everyone conveniently forgets that Jamar Chase signed this week last year, right,

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Speaker 5: like we only remember the negative. We don't remember that

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Speaker 5: Jamar Chase had one of the greatest seasons ever. And

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying Terry is chased, but like we've seen

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Speaker 5: But even more than that, a lot of people are

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Speaker 5: saying Terry's going to regress because he had a career

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Speaker 5: high in touchdowns, but he had a second fewest targets

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Speaker 5: of his career. I think the Commanders are gonna throw

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Speaker 5: the ball a lot more this year. They did in

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Speaker 5: the second half and in the playoffs. And if they

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Speaker 5: throw more, even if his touchdown rate isn't what it

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Speaker 5: was last year, he could still get double digit touchdowns,

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Speaker 5: he could top his yardage. So I'm all about taking

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Speaker 5: Terry McLaurin and if he falls, give me that at

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Speaker 2: I think they throw more in part because I just

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Speaker 2: think that's sort of the way of second year quarterbacks, right,

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Speaker 2: And not to say that they're still not going to

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Speaker 2: have design runs for Jaden Daniels, and not that he's

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Speaker 2: not going to scramble, but you know, sometimes in that

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Speaker 2: first year, when the pressure comes, instead of maybe climbing

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Speaker 2: see less of that for Daniels because he was obviously

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Speaker 2: getting more comfortable as the year went along, and I

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Speaker 2: think he's gonna get more comfortable in year two.

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Speaker 3: So I think some of those scrambles will turn into

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Speaker 2: Look downfield and find the open guy. So I think

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Speaker 2: that alone means you're gonna see some pass attempts go up.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully for Terry McLaurin and Terry McLaurin managers, that means

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Speaker 2: the target number goes up as well. I mean shocked

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Speaker 2: lakwan Seene that you're able to get him as a

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Speaker 3: I didn't think I did think you would fall that much.

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Speaker 2: I get a little bit of hesitation, but to have

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Speaker 2: him fall that much is that that seems like a

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Speaker 2: vast overreaction.

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Speaker 6: I mean that's good. I mean it just makes my

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Speaker 6: am the snake this season. I am the year the snake.

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Speaker 6: I ain't putting all negative and energy brown players that won,

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Speaker 6: and like my league may stay. Listen to the pod,

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Speaker 6: fans to the pod, and welcome to the party, folks.

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Speaker 6: I got Terry McLaurin as my wide receiver three, and

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Speaker 6: you will suffer on Sundays. Let's do that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that that breaks like the oath of what we

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Speaker 2: do is a hippocratic oath for this job.

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Speaker 5: Like just want to help me? Well you get yeah,

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Speaker 5: you make it harder on yourself, but you're really part

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Speaker 6: Man, I'm here to win leagues. Man, I don't care.

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Speaker 3: You live a strange life, man, I just.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, you're just what the listeners just went down

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Speaker 5: ten more.

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Speaker 3: What's gonna happen today?

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Speaker 4: Find out why I'm drafting Cooper.

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Speaker 2: Cup so like, So, I mean, you know what that means.

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Speaker 2: That means he's really worried about Matthew Stafford's back.

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Speaker 3: That's what it really means.

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Speaker 6: Now that watch, they know what I'm serious. They know

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Speaker 6: what I'm serious when it comes to Stafford.

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Speaker 2: More Commander's news. They made a trade over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: They send Brian Robinson to the San Francisco forty nine

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Speaker 2: ers for a twenty twenty sixth sixth round.

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Speaker 3: Pick a lot of sixes in there.

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Speaker 2: I I've heard some folks say, and I don't know

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Speaker 2: if it's totally wrong, but I'll get your opinion.

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Speaker 3: Florio.

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Speaker 2: This maybe means I don't know if it's a good

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Speaker 2: thing for Christian McCaffrey, but maybe.

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Speaker 3: It does mean we see less of him.

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Speaker 2: Than instead of you know, eighty eighty five percent of

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Speaker 3: Does that seem reasonable?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I like, And the thing is, like eighty five

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Speaker 5: even eighty five is a decline from Pete McCaffrey, like

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Speaker 5: he's ninety plus, right, Like, so, I yeah, but yes,

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Speaker 5: because of the injury, because of the age. I don't

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Speaker 5: think it's going to be the valuable touches that get

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Speaker 5: the twenties, like why would you not sprinkle in some

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Speaker 5: Brian Robinson Junior there? And I put it was hilarious

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Speaker 5: to me. I put it out on Twitter the other

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Speaker 5: day like could this mean they use him? And again,

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Speaker 5: not one hundred percent, but even if it's some of

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Speaker 5: the time, it caps the upside if they use him

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Speaker 5: near the goal line. And you could tell who the

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Speaker 5: CMC supporters are and who aren't by the responses because

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Speaker 5: everyone was like there's no way they would ever do that,

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Speaker 5: or they're are doing that, and like there's no in between,

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Speaker 5: you know. So I don't think they're obviously or like

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Speaker 5: obviously not doing it. I think it is something that

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Speaker 5: could be like what if half the time when they're

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Speaker 5: on like on the one yard line, we know those

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Speaker 5: are the hits where those running backs take a beating.

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Speaker 5: They're like, hey, we traded for Brian Robinson Junior. He's

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Speaker 5: a massive man, let's bring him in here. So it

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Speaker 5: I already was kind of off CMC as a mid

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Speaker 5: first round PA. It just felt too risky for me,

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Speaker 5: and this only adds to the risk in my opinion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I so I'll say this, I still tend to think.

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Speaker 2: That McCaffrey's going to get the majority of those goal

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Speaker 2: line opportunities. I mean, I know we saw in the

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Speaker 2: past that you know, maybe they'd sneak debo in there

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Speaker 2: every once in a while, or you know, they don't

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Speaker 2: mind throwing the ball or something like that. But remember

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Speaker 2: remember when Kyle Shanahan like forced the issue to try

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Speaker 2: to keep McCaffrey's touchdown streak going, where he gave him

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Speaker 2: the ball like three or four times in a row

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Speaker 2: on the goal line just to keep that textown streak going.

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Speaker 2: I don't think, you know, I don't think there's going

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Speaker 2: to completely abandon him there. But maybe maybe we see

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Speaker 2: a little bit of of Robinson in there. Back in

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Speaker 2: Washington though, La Kwan obviously everybody was excited about Cory

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Speaker 2: Krossky merrit akaa Bill. Do we know why he's Bill?

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Speaker 2: I don't think I haven't actually bothered to do the research, Yes, but.

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Speaker 5: He looked like little Bill growing up. That's that's the reason.

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Speaker 5: All right, It's not deep, but that's all I.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe I haven't. It's j.

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Speaker 3: The show is in prison.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, well, both of you equally just blew my

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Speaker 5: mind in very different ways. Free Chuck, how is Nick

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Speaker 3: Do you know who created Little Bill? Right? You know

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Speaker 5: Oh oh oh, I totally forgot about that, And now

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna let that must go right by.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, like I thought it was a regular dude.

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Speaker 2: No, he's not coming out anytime soon. Okay, Junior just

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Speaker 5: Born and raised on Nick Junior man, Yeah, man.

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Speaker 6: The Muppet Babies, man Blues Clues. Those are the all

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't think we would get a Nick Junior station.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what happens on this spot.

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Speaker 6: A lot.

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Speaker 3: Didn't think that they're gonna happen to day anyway.

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Speaker 3: Do we need to worry about Chris Rodriguez? Is he

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Speaker 6: Is he making the team? I mean like he was

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Speaker 6: Now where he's going in drafts, Like he's going in

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Speaker 6: like that seventh round area where folks are completely outraged, like,

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Speaker 6: oh this seventh round er guy draft capital that. But no,

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Speaker 6: the reason for Brian Robinson Junior to be even traded

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Speaker 6: because the talent is there. He's a downhill runner, very shifty,

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Speaker 6: he's juking these linebacker safeties and everything else. He's obviously

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Speaker 4: I'm willing to take him.

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Speaker 6: He's going in the rounds where Jordan Mason David Montgomery,

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Speaker 6: He's going in like the RB three, RB four range

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Speaker 6: where you could just pop him in as a flex

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Speaker 6: I'm not worried about no cr Chris rod Chris Rodriguez,

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Speaker 2: I mean, all right, I mean it's one thing to

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Speaker 2: like him in short yardage, we want to use short

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Speaker 6: How many short yardage guys have we been Jason? They

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Speaker 6: have not panned out.

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Speaker 3: This is the fantasy streets That's all I'm saying right now.

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Speaker 5: I don't think Chris Rodriguez will be Fantasy relevant, but

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Speaker 5: I think he can prevent Bill from fast thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and this is the I put it out on Twitter

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Speaker 5: Bill is free, like literally right after the Brian Robinson trade.

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Speaker 5: I was like, he is free. All he has to

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Speaker 5: Samuel getting sprinkled it into the run. To me, it

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Speaker 5: If you're if so many other guys are getting involved

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Speaker 5: that Like, I think he's going to be better for

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Speaker 5: the Commanders, and I agree, like he's gonna be their starter.

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Speaker 5: I think I think he's gonna be better for the

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Speaker 5: Commanders than he will be for Fantasy.

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Speaker 3: Is this is another Commande Vidal.

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Speaker 5: No, No, let's get an opportunity at least hold on.

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Speaker 5: Oh there, I do, I do have some breaking news though, Okay,

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Speaker 5: per Tom Pelisaro, I almost called him Tom Rappaport. Per

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Speaker 5: Tom p and Ian Rappaport, Jacoby Myers has requested a

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Speaker 3: All right, okay, that's interesting. I mean, I guess he

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Speaker 2: Jack Besh, I mean, I guess there's it is interesting

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Speaker 2: from a Raiders context. I had no interest in Fantasy

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so okay. All it's gonna do, though, is Dante

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Speaker 5: It's also hard to take trade request serious when all

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Speaker 3: At this point, that's all they are. Now.

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Speaker 2: It's it's the new you know, stripping social media of

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Speaker 2: all your team logos and photos.

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Speaker 3: I it's the same thing following your team.

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Speaker 5: Yet those poor social media managers.

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Speaker 3: It's gotta work over time. It's got to earn that

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Speaker 2: Down in Houston, we've been asking the question what is

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Speaker 3: Is going to be on it. We just don't know

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Speaker 3: when he's going to be healthy. Florida, what are you

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Speaker 5: I'm not drafting Joe Mixon. I know he's falling. I'm

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Speaker 5: I'm not taking him as someone that I'm expecting to

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Speaker 3: Now, I get that. So in that case, Lakwan, Nick Chubb.

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Speaker 6: Or what he marks M I like what he marks,

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Speaker 6: and I think it's a reasonable hype because we're hearing

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Speaker 6: But it's like, maybe maybe what he marks could be

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Speaker 6: why are you doing the peace sign? You're saying fade.

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Speaker 6: Both of these guys fight on, man, fight on? Oh okay, okay, wait,

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Speaker 6: what's happening right now? But no, I do think what

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Speaker 3: At this point.

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Speaker 6: And I do think that you know, the positive that

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Speaker 6: Nick Chubb, I'm completely hands off, Like he didn't look

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In my most recent Hyph Trainer smoke screen, Colum, you

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Speaker 2: can find that on NFL dot com, I mentioned, you know,

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Speaker 2: and the football fan in me, the person who just

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Speaker 2: The fantasy manager me is like, nah, I cannot, I cannot.

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Speaker 3: We're getting a back that's creeping up on thirty years old,

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Speaker 5: I agree. I do think, like, look, if you're in

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Speaker 6: My two cents on Mixing though, like I'm not completely

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Speaker 6: I just put him on the I R.

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Speaker 4: I'll just put him my IR and pick up what

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Speaker 5: Take him over?

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Speaker 3: Blue?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I would, because Jayden Blue can't seem stay healthy at

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Speaker 6: Banged up like it's been like that?

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Speaker 3: Supposed to play Week one? He played last week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Blue gets still split. I think I still take mixing,

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Speaker 3: I put him on.

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Speaker 2: But you know, feeling has always been higher than the floor,

439
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Speaker 2: has been more stable than Joe mixed, like some.

440
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Speaker 4: Respect on my boy name.

441
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Speaker 6: He has top five potential when healthy.

442
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Speaker 3: Is that a fact or not?

443
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Speaker 5: No, Yes it is.

444
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Speaker 4: He's done it.

445
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Speaker 3: No when like okay, maybe before, but like that, like

446
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 3: and and it's still the roller coaster. It's the you

447
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 3: get the forty point week followed by the eight point

448
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,240
Speaker 3: weeks like there's no the floor just doesn't really exist

449
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Speaker 3: for Joe Mixing.

450
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Speaker 4: Yes it does, man, he is eight points like.

451
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Speaker 5: He He finished one time in total points in the

452
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Speaker 5: top five, never game, and that.

453
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Speaker 6: Was the year everybody was fading him because the Bengals

454
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Speaker 6: had a terrible old line in my off. That's when

455
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Speaker 6: he was a Bengal. Right, that's that was four years ago.

456
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Speaker 5: He was the RB four. Two years ago, he was

457
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Speaker 5: the RB six.

458
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Speaker 6: Okay, let's take that two years ago. Right, That's obviously

459
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Speaker 6: he was banged up, and you know, the team kind

460
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Speaker 6: of was bad at the offensive line. He still managed

461
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Speaker 6: a thousand yards behind that terrible line. So it shows

462
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Speaker 6: that he's a reliable player in the fantasy option when

463
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Speaker 6: he is healthy.

464
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Speaker 3: Sure line here is is taking Joe Mixon over Christian McCaffrey.

465
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Speaker 4: Stops are going to believe that.

466
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Speaker 5: All right, man, is a lifetime in the NFL.

467
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Speaker 3: You said earlier, throw red herrings out there to make

468
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Speaker 3: people draft other things.

469
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Speaker 6: Listen, you're right, But what I'm saying is that how

470
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Speaker 6: can we prop up CMC. I don't want to go

471
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Speaker 6: back to this conversation because that's gonna be what it is.

472
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Speaker 6: But at round thirteen and he's like.

473
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Speaker 3: My four for fifth running, I agree to show I

474
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Speaker 3: take Joe Mixon.

475
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the only thing I'm refuting here. All right,

476
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Speaker 6: let's not get too offside.

477
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Speaker 2: So anyway, I guess that's a look into draft strategies.

478
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Speaker 2: We're gonna take a break. Read to dive more into

479
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Speaker 2: draft strategies. By the way, Ali Gordon had a good

480
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Speaker 2: weekend against the Jaguars. Mike Daniels impressed.

481
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Speaker 3: If you want more on that, go back and listen

482
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Speaker 3: to our episode last week with Cam Wolf. He had

483
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Speaker 3: a lot of good things to say about the Dolphins

484
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Speaker 3: and the Dolphins offense. So I can get some more

485
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Speaker 3: Ali Gordon news and information about that.

486
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Speaker 2: All right, take a break, come back, talk to draft

487
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Speaker 2: strategies coming up next year in the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.

488
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Speaker 2: So diving into some kind of big picture draft strategies, right,

489
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Speaker 2: not necessarily talking about zero RB hero RBA and maybe

490
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Speaker 2: that comes up over the course of conversation, but not

491
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Speaker 2: looking at anything specific, just more kind of you know,

492
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Speaker 2: overarching ideas that we come into a draft with.

493
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Speaker 3: And so go I start with you. I mean, first round,

494
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 3: you're on the clock, doesn't really matter where you are

495
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Speaker 3: in the order. What is your goal? What are you

496
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Speaker 3: trying to accomplish with your first round pick?

497
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Speaker 6: Set the tone, lock it up. They're going to be

498
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Speaker 6: responsible for at least thirty percent of my weekly point.

499
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Speaker 6: So I want a guy that's going to be hitting

500
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Speaker 6: high ceilings and I don't have to worry about the

501
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Speaker 6: what ifs, avoid red flags, Like the first round pick

502
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 6: to me needs to just be hey, this is what

503
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 6: it is, straightforward. Next round, let's start taking for upside,

504
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 6: you know, like the first round pick to me just

505
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,959
Speaker 6: needs to be headache free and a guy that's going

506
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 6: to be your captain of your ship.

507
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Speaker 3: I mean, so we talked about you talk about risks

508
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 3: in the first round, right, nobody.

509
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Speaker 5: Wants to here we go for Christian mccaf is what

510
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 5: I do.

511
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Speaker 3: Obviously, this is where this is going.

512
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Speaker 2: That's where this is going because there are guys that

513
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 2: have first round upside that do come with No, you

514
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 2: don't have to draft them there.

515
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Speaker 3: But I'm gonna ask you, Flori.

516
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Speaker 2: I mean, like when you look at a guy like, okay,

517
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 2: let's say Saquon Barkley, right, Like we've all sat around

518
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 2: here and said, saqua in the first round feels risky, right,

519
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 2: how do you manage first round risk? Because you know

520
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 2: where the ceiling is, but you also know that the

521
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 2: bottom could drop out, So like, how do you approach.

522
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Speaker 3: Something like that?

523
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Speaker 5: I I don't take the risk because, like Lakwan, I

524
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 5: want I think the first two or three rounds you

525
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 5: should be building the crux of your team, and then

526
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Speaker 5: after that you go for upside and if some of

527
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 5: these guys hit, now you're cooking with fire. But you,

528
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 5: I mean, it's easy to be like, oh, if you

529
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 5: don't win, who cares where you finish? And I think

530
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 5: that is true in a lot of industry leagues and

531
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 5: stuff like this. But for people who are in home leagues,

532
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 5: they don't want to pay their league entry fee to

533
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Speaker 5: have their league annihilated in week two, you know, still

534
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Speaker 5: like if you lose Christian mccaff free or Saquon goes

535
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 5: down or like that. I know you could say that

536
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 5: about any first round pick, but the guys with heightened

537
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 5: risk you could have, especially because there's similar talent on

538
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 5: the board. That's why I haven't really taken CMC. I

539
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 5: haven't really taken Saquon. I also like going wide receiver

540
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 5: in the first round just a whole lot more so

541
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 5: typically I'm just going with like Ceedee Lamb over over

542
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 5: those guys, or Malik Neighbors over those guys or something

543
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 5: like that. But yeah, I I I don't want to,

544
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 5: like Lakwan said, I don't want to play the risky

545
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Speaker 5: game in the first round.

546
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Speaker 3: I mean, for me.

547
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Speaker 2: I've just you know, basically what you guys said, I've

548
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: taken it and I kind of distilled it down to

549
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Speaker 2: my first round pick has to have the narrowest range

550
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 2: of outcomes, right Like It's like you've got to go

551
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 2: into this knowing that, you know, all things being equal,

552
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 2: this guy is going to produce weekend and week out.

553
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Speaker 2: I mean that to me has been the argument for

554
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase at number one. Not necessarily that he's going

555
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 2: to be the top scorer in all of fantasy football.

556
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 3: Could be maybe, but.

557
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: It's just that you know that week in and week out,

558
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: everything is going to be status quo and everything's going

559
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 2: to be good because the targets are going to be there,

560
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 2: the air yard is going to be there, the production

561
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: is going to be there, and so that is where

562
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Speaker 2: you know, you do sort of run into that headache

563
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 2: about a McCaffrey, a Saquon. I think it's where you

564
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 2: get a little bit nervous about guys sort at the

565
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Speaker 2: back end of the first round, you know, especially now

566
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 2: like a Devon a chan when he was there, I

567
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 2: know he's dropping, he's been falling because of this calf injury,

568
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 2: but when he was there, kind of at that late

569
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Speaker 2: first early second round turn.

570
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Speaker 3: You know the Dolphins dolphense and what it does is

571
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 3: going to impact him. So that's that's sort of where

572
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 3: I had my concerns. That's all. I wasn't trying to

573
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 3: make this a Christian McCaffrey. It was there. He just

574
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Speaker 3: happened to be the example. That's why I switched to

575
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Speaker 3: the saquon so you wouldn't get.

576
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Speaker 2: Your tummy all rumbly about it. So, I mean, Floria,

577
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Speaker 2: you said you tend to be wide receiver in the

578
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 2: first round. I kind of go back and forth on that.

579
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 2: But if you were to go running back.

580
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 3: Are you a zero RB hero RB or dare I

581
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 3: say even a robust RB person?

582
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Speaker 5: For me, it's it's almost always hero RB. Like if

583
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 5: I'm grabbing a running back in I'm sorry, a wide

584
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 5: receiver in round one, I like to grab a running

585
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 5: back in round two. I also think there's a there's

586
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 5: a good amount of running backs that could easily be

587
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 5: first round picks next year that go in the second round,

588
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 5: like Chase Brown. I thought Devon a CHANMP before the

589
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 5: calf could be one. Derek Henry was a first round

590
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 5: pick like Value last year, so it's easy to see

591
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 5: him doing that again. But I really love the running

592
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 5: backs that you could get in like the I know

593
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 5: they're getting a little bit more expensive now. It used

594
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 5: to be like the six, seven, eight range. Now it's

595
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 5: like the five six, seven range, but even four sometimes.

596
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 5: But I like the running backs in that range, So

597
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 5: that's where I usually look to go RB two. I

598
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 5: will say this though, I'm talking to a lot as

599
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Speaker 5: I'm sure you guys are talking to a lot of

600
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Speaker 5: friends and August friends and stuff like that, who are like, hey,

601
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 5: I haven't spoke to you since last August, who should

602
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 5: I draft this year? But you talk to people about

603
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 5: their drafts, and I think sometimes in our drafts, receivers

604
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 5: are going to go way heavier and a lot of

605
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 5: home leagues. I still do think you see like robust

606
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 5: RB being a strategy and stuff, but in hours you're

607
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 5: not going to see it as much.

608
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I do think there's a vast difference

609
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: in your being in either industry leagues or just more

610
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: high stakes leagues or really competitive leagues versus your average

611
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: homely right where you mentioned, robust RB is still a thing.

612
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: Quarterbacks going in the second.

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Speaker 6: Round is very you know, first round, Josh allenen in

614
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Speaker 6: the first round in my home league.

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Speaker 5: Those are still those Yeah, but that league is the

616
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 5: wackiest league we've ever seen.

617
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Speaker 6: No, this is my this is my high school friends league.

618
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Speaker 3: This is.

619
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Speaker 5: Robinson.

620
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Speaker 6: This is the friends and family cousins and their friends

621
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 6: are making terrible mistakes and draft picks. This is my

622
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Speaker 6: high school home league that I just had this past weekend.

623
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Speaker 6: Josh Allen just went at the one twelve.

624
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Speaker 5: Holy crap.

625
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Speaker 3: I mean, so, here's the thing for us.

626
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Speaker 2: We know that's not necessarily the smartest move, although again

627
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Speaker 2: I will argue that if you think a player is

628
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Speaker 2: the best at his position, it shouldn't be a strategic

629
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: disadvantage to take him early.

630
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Speaker 3: But that's a different conversation for another time.

631
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Speaker 5: Shout out. Are you saying Josh Allen's the best quarterback?

632
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Speaker 5: I agree o wholeheartedly.

633
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Speaker 4: The logic behind it was MVP. Man, what do we

634
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Speaker 4: talk say?

635
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 3: I don't want to get them all around. How I

636
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 3: get railed on these things.

637
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: The point being, if you are somebody who doesn't study this,

638
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: and you know, starts diving into the theory of positional

639
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: value and that sort of thing, the logic is sound right.

640
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: It's quarterbacks score the most points. Why wouldn't I take

641
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: a quarterback first. It's once you sort of drill down

642
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: and you realize is that there are a lot of

643
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: quarterbacks and you only start one. You don't have to

644
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: get one early, that the argument starts to fall apart.

645
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: But on the surface it's a legitimate argument. Like it's like,

646
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: hey man, this dude scores a ton of points, Like,

647
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: of course I'll take him in the first round. So, like,

648
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Speaker 2: I know, for us, we look at it, we kind

649
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: of roll our eyes, but like you know, come at

650
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: it from the perspective a person who hasn't been looking

651
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Speaker 2: at this since the Super Bowl ended.

652
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Speaker 3: You know, that's where you are.

653
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Speaker 6: That's why I love home leagues. They're better, they're fun,

654
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Speaker 6: they're fun.

655
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Speaker 2: I tell people all the time, like, hey man, once

656
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: you start doing these like these expert leagues or these

657
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: advanced leagues, like go back and draft with the casual players, like,

658
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: go ahead and do it, because it's a whole different

659
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: it's a whole different.

660
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 5: World, different world. I love almost always love my team's

661
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 5: way more from industry leagues than my home leagues.

662
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: Because it's chaos. Yeah, it's absolutely you know what it is.

663
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: It's it's the dude who holds court at the arcade.

664
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Speaker 2: I means you some old timey phrases, the guy the

665
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: arcade who's like on the street fighter machine and is

666
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: just whooping everybody because like everybody's coming with their strategies

667
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: and like trying to shoot fireballs and stuff, and like

668
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: this dude just hasn't like locked down. The person who

669
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: beats them is the button masher because I just don't

670
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: know what's coming.

671
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 3: There's no order to it. They do.

672
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: They do a spinning round ticket. They don't really know

673
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: how they did it, but he comes out of nowhere,

674
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: right Like that's the person who ends up winning and

675
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: being on the machine for a while. It's crazy, that's true.

676
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: That's home leagues what it is. LaQuan, Are you into

677
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: robust RB?

678
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 3: Have you? Are you willing to try it somewhere? Have

679
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 3: you done it this year? Uh?

680
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 6: I've done it in a few leagues now, like how

681
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 6: Floria is saying, now the running backs at a little

682
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 6: bit more expensive, So now you're starting that robust start

683
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 6: at round five, you know, and like I've done it

684
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 6: where round five, six and seven, I've just smashed the

685
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 6: values there. You're coming out with a B checko Apollo

686
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 6: at a swift, you know, in those three rounds and

687
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 6: where you kind of just go heavy wide receiver, like

688
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 6: how I've been approaching most of these redraft and like

689
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 6: I do feel like, you know, there's so much running

690
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 6: back value down there that you forget some of the

691
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 6: names that are there, and you're like, why not take

692
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 6: them another round? Why not back to back?

693
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 3: Why not double tap?

694
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 6: So I end up with a bunch of running backs

695
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 6: in the middle rounds, and then that's when I start

696
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 6: addressing the quarterback, the tight end, everything else later. So

697
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 6: robust is not a bad strategy this year, you know,

698
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 6: because you're gonna find great value in the middle rounds.

699
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: You just mentioned getting a quarterback for you. Lookqu one,

700
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: how early is too early? I mean, I guess, I

701
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: guess the one dot twelve is too early for you.

702
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 4: But now I'm about to say it depend.

703
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: It is too early for you to get a quarterback

704
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 3: for me.

705
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 6: Personally, I feel like when folks start dipping into the

706
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 6: third round, they take the Jayden Dames to Josh Allen,

707
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 6: Lamar Jackson, That's not my cup of team, Like I

708
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 6: kind of feel like, no, I want to build other

709
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 6: rosters and strength there where I can end up having

710
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 6: you know, maybe two running backs in those rounds that

711
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 6: end up combining, you know, for like RB one type

712
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 6: of production. And I do feel like in that range,

713
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 6: when you take the quarterback off the board, you're kind

714
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 6: of missing out in guys that have that same shot

715
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 6: to crack that top five or even have the same

716
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 6: type of mobility. Look where Justin Fields is going, like,

717
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 6: I don't need to reach on the Jaden Daniels when

718
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 6: I have Justin Fields in like the tenth round, where

719
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 6: I can have that same ceiling for the rushing upside.

720
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 6: So I do feel like there's other rounds you can

721
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 6: find just as good quarterbacks that can crack that top

722
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 6: five that.

723
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Speaker 5: You're looking for.

724
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Speaker 2: I know, Florida, you're you're one who like instead of

725
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: getting you know, Allen or Lamar, you tend to wait

726
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: for Jaden Daniels. But even that's only waiting like around.

727
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 4: That's like a couple of picks, now that's not very long.

728
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 5: He's my favorite if you want to go after one

729
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 5: of the high end quarterbacks, He's my favorite by far

730
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 5: because you get I think he could he's my MVP pick.

731
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 5: Just putting that out there. I think that he could

732
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Speaker 5: be the QB one this year and you do get

733
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Speaker 5: like a half round, maybe we'll say discount from the

734
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Speaker 5: other two. But I do think it's worth taking one

735
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Speaker 5: of the top three if you want to go that route.

736
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Speaker 5: I usually don't, but I won't shy away like in

737
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 5: the third round, late third round. If they're there early

738
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 5: fourth I think that is fine because they give you

739
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 5: such an advantage compared to everyone else. After that, though,

740
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 5: where's justin Field's going that? That's where I take a quarterback.

741
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 5: But yeah, he's my most drafted guy. But I like

742
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 5: to wait and what I've been doing this year is

743
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 5: going upside like him or Caleb or something like that,

744
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 5: and then you compare them with like a Jared goff

745
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 5: So or Herbert or take your pick on who your

746
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 5: favorite safe QB two is. I love doing that route

747
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 5: with quarterback this year.

748
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: I've found myself all over the place with quarterbacks this year.

749
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: Like before, I was very much like I will, you know,

750
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I did the whole weight on a quarterback

751
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: thing for years, you know, and it's still there's still

752
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: value there, right, you talk about getting a Justin Field

753
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: or a Dak Prescott who is going shockingly late, like

754
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: I don't.

755
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 3: I still can't wrap my mind around that one. I

756
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,479
Speaker 3: did that for a while. Then the last few years,

757
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 3: I've been Okay, I'm gonna take kind of a mid

758
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 3: round quarterback, right.

759
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get the elite guys. I'll get sort

760
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 2: of the mid round guys. So I'm I'm looking around,

761
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: you know, five six, seven maybe for my quarterback.

762
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 3: This year, I've been all over the place like this year.

763
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: If I sit around, I look around, like in the

764
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: mid to late third round, and I don't like any

765
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: of the wide receiver running back options there, I'll take

766
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 2: Lamar if I'm if it falls and I'm in the

767
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: fifth or sixth round and you know, there's there are

768
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: no wide receiver running backs that I particularly like at

769
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: that spot. You know, I'll take one of those quarterbacks

770
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 2: that that kind of go in that range. Maybe ye

771
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 2: know Burrow might still be there, maybe he's probably gone

772
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: at that point, but you know somebody like that I

773
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: will I will take in that spot. Or you know,

774
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: sometimes I just decide that you know, everything's going great,

775
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: and I will wait and I'll get, you know, I'll

776
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 2: get a Caleb and pair him up with with somebody

777
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 2: else in the later rounds.

778
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 3: I haven't had, I think a con quarterback draft approach.

779
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: It really has depended on how the board falls and

780
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: what I'm looking at when I'm on the clock in

781
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 2: any given round.

782
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,959
Speaker 6: The thing about Joe Burrow though, like you mentioned Joe Burrow,

783
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 6: like the discount on that is Dak Prescott, Like it's

784
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 6: literally the same same, So it's like you don't have

785
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 6: to reach. That's like the emphasis that we're trying to

786
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 6: give here, like you don't have to reach on these quarterbacks.

787
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 6: Like there's guys way way later that you have that

788
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 6: same upside. Like even with Kyler Murray, Like even though

789
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 6: I'm not on the train, I mean you mentioned he

790
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 6: was a top ten quarterback last season, but he's a

791
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 6: guy that's kind of like in that range in that

792
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 6: eighth and ninth round where I'm like, maybe maybe I

793
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 6: could take it.

794
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 5: I had a twelve team draft this week. We were

795
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 5: the last team to take a quarterback. I think we

796
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 5: waited into like the twelfth round. We got Kyler and

797
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 5: kalb So like you can wait and still come away

798
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 5: feeling again it was one of these leads where everyone

799
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 5: waits on quarterbacks. We took it the furthest but like

800
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 5: maybe in your league you don't wait till the twelve oh,

801
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 5: but you can wait and still feel good about the

802
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 5: quarterback you get.

803
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: I was gonna say too, that's also a thing where,

804
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: you know, we've said this before, Like in a lot

805
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: of these industry leagues, it's like a game of chicken, Right,

806
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: who's gonna blink first, Who's gonna draft the quarterback first?

807
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 5: It's gonna start the run?

808
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: Who's gonna start the run?

809
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 2: Because once one person does it, then I think everybody

810
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: else feels like they've got permission to go do it.

811
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 2: But nobody wants to be the one to break the

812
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: seal on the quarterbacks.

813
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 3: It's different.

814
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 2: I will say this if you were in a home league,

815
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: if you're in a league where people tend to go

816
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 2: heavy on quarterbacks, it is.

817
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: Important to watch the board.

818
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 2: It's important to watch the board because when the run starts,

819
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: you don't necessarily want to get left out. Because the

820
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 2: other thing about this, in some of these leagues, people

821
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: will take two quarterbacks, right. You know, in a lot

822
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 2: of the higher level leagues, people aren't taking two quarterbacks generally,

823
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: but you know, and a lot more casual leagues, it happens,

824
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: so it's worth keeping an eye on it. When the

825
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: run starts, then you might have to break to and

826
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 2: see and go get your quarterback, just so you're not nobody.

827
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, you don't want uh, we

828
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: like Drake May. I don't want Drake maybe and my

829
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: guy starting every week?

830
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 5: You know. Yeah, I love them as a QB two,

831
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 5: but I wouldn't want to go into week one with

832
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 5: only having him on my roster.

833
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 3: Right exactly. I know, Flora, we talked about some of

834
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 3: the middle rounds last week.

835
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: We talked about guys we like in the middle rounds,

836
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 2: whether it's you know, we did five through nine, uh,

837
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 2: we did ten through thirteen, what have you. So let's

838
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: just kind of mash those together, call it five through twelve,

839
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: five through thirteen, whatever you want to call it. Any

840
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 2: specific strategy, not necessarily players, but just your thought process

841
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: for how you tackle those rounds.

842
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's mostly running backs and receivers for me, Like,

843
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 5: I'll if I have three receivers in the first four rounds,

844
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 5: then I'll the middle like the five, six, seven, might

845
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 5: be at least two running backs for me because I

846
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 5: do like them in that range. But uh, Justin Fields

847
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 5: and Tyler Warren are my two big targets in that range.

848
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 5: Trevion if he falls to the fifth would be but

849
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 5: he's starting to go above that. But those are the

850
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 5: guys I try to have on as many teams as possible,

851
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 5: and I just keep pushing more up.

852
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 2: Man.

853
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 5: I I might have him that tight end four by

854
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 5: the time we kick off five. Right now, I might.

855
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 5: I might be pushing it because in a league, this

856
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 5: is how I always test my rankings, like what would

857
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 5: I actually do? And I have Hockinson ranked ahead of him,

858
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 5: but I took Warren over Hockinson. So but like, yeah,

859
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 5: for me, it's all about upside too, right, Like I

860
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 5: don't want safe floor players. I'm a big believer that

861
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 5: I think safe floor players. Maybe you want like one

862
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 5: on your team, but I think they hold you back

863
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 5: because you're gonna you're not gonna want to start them,

864
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 5: and when you do, your lineup is already weakened because

865
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 5: you're taking out someone that you've been playing over them,

866
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 5: but you're never gonna want to drop them. In case

867
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 5: of bye weeks, or injuries, so you're not taking upside

868
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 5: shots off the waiver wire and breakouts are what win championships.

869
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 5: So I'm chasing upside in the middle rounds and off

870
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 5: waiver late rounds and off waivers. Like to me, you

871
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 5: have to have a ceiling for me to consider taking.

872
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: Uh, you win more hidden you know, doubles of triples

873
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: than singles mean exactly kind of good way to put it.

874
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

875
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: For you the quand your your middle round strategies, you're

876
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: you're things that you're looking for maybe maybe not looking for.

877
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 3: I guess in the middle rounds.

878
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 6: Well, in the middle rounds you're strengthening your roster if

879
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 6: you go running back wide receiver early or whatever whatever,

880
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 6: because there's values there. But like Florio said, this is

881
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 6: the range where you might get a Warren in Hockinson,

882
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 6: Like that eighth round range is like to be very

883
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 6: middle of the draft, like where you're making some really

884
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 6: harsh decisions that you're gonna have to pivot from other

885
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 6: positions to fill a position that has the most upside there.

886
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 6: So like there's times where I get in those middle

887
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 6: rounds where I'm like, I'm just gonna strictly target proven players,

888
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 6: Like I'm not going for the hype train guys or

889
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 6: the guys that are just getting recent buzz because of preseason,

890
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 6: Like those are the core rounds that I want to

891
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 6: build and strengthen my rosters at the position to have

892
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 6: proven talent because like when Florio is saying, like, when

893
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 6: you have to put that guy in your roster, you

894
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 6: don't want to be like is this a start and

895
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 6: forget guy or a guy that I just drafted that

896
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 6: just had a lot of hype that I'm hoping for.

897
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 6: And again like we're not playing for week one, but

898
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 6: it's going to be a long fantasy season where you

899
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 6: have that guy that you drafted in those middle rounds

900
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 6: that that's a heavy investment in my eyes, Like anything

901
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 6: within that five to twelve rounds, Like you have to

902
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 6: be very sure of those picks thirteen, et cetera. Like, yeah,

903
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 6: that's when you start taking your upside guys throwing darts

904
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 6: and et cetera, et cetera. So those middle rounds are

905
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 6: just as important as the top five rounds.

906
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think I think there's something to

907
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 3: having a safe floor, but I don't think you want

908
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: your whole You don't want to make the whole plane

909
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 3: out of safe floors, right, Like you want to be

910
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: able to get those guys that maybe they have a

911
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: safe floor, but you also can see that there's a

912
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 3: path to something bigger and better for them, right Because

913
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 3: you don't want it to be all upside, but you

914
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 3: don't you don't want it to all be just stable.

915
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 5: I do think your league size depended. Like I had

916
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 5: a fourteen team where we have three flexes, and I

917
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 5: was like, Khalil Shakir I want because I know weekly

918
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 5: he's gonna get me ten to twelve points and I

919
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 5: don't have to think about that flex spot. But in

920
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 5: a ten team league where one flex, I don't want

921
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 5: Shakir because he's gonna get me ten to twelve points,

922
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 5: you know, Like I want, I want someone who could

923
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 5: be a lot better. So I think the deeper your

924
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 5: league and your rosters are, that's where floor becomes a

925
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 5: little bit more useful.

926
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.

927
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 2: By the way, Flora, you may have competition on who's

928
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 2: driving the Travon Henderson hype trained because Adam Rank said

929
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 2: on Fantasy Live that he took him in the third round.

930
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 5: I took him in the third round. Two weeks ago.

931
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 5: There's no competition.

932
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 4: Go back to the NFL draft.

933
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 5: I was telling you he's better than a Marion Hampton.

934
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: Adam Rank twenty four hours to respond.

935
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 6: He's gonna take him in the second round.

936
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 3: Down there, gonna make pretty soon. He's gonna be like

937
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 3: the I love Rank.

938
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 5: He can't be the tre young guy because that's my guy.

939
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: All right, we got more to dive ins. We're gona

940
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: take a quick break, come back and give you some

941
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 3: more of our draft strategies. Next on the NFL Fantasy.

942
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: Football Podcast, talk a little bit more about our big

943
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 2: picture of draft strategies. I know for a lot of

944
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: folks drafts coming up in the next week or two

945
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: as we get ready for a Week one of the

946
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: regular season. I'm tight end LaQuan always sort of dicey, right,

947
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 2: because there's not really a lot of them to go

948
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: around for you.

949
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 3: When do you prefer targeting the tight end position middle rounds.

950
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 6: I'm not early round type of guy taking tight ends,

951
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 6: Like I always feel like a man, like there's a

952
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 6: short batch of tight ends, but like you could find

953
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 6: really good values in those middle rounds, Like we just

954
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 6: were touching on it in the last segment where we're

955
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 6: like basically saying Warren and Hockinson they're in that middle

956
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 6: round range. Like I feel so so comfortable because at

957
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 6: that point I have rosters field with my wide receiver

958
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 6: one and two or running back one and two, where

959
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 6: I can start looking at tight ends in those middle rounds.

960
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 6: Once you start picking that the second round McBride or brock, Bowers,

961
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 6: et cetera. Or even Kiddle right now, who's like creeping

962
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 6: up in that early third round where he felt so

963
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 6: good getting in the fourth and fifth round, but now

964
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 6: you're paying a premium price on that first three rounds

965
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 6: where it's like you still have guys that have like

966
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 6: top five potential at the wide receiver position. You have

967
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 6: guys that are like top ten locks at running back position,

968
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 6: so tight end, it's like it's very influx of like

969
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 6: every year, like there's guys that are going to fall

970
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 6: outside the top five. Now there's guys that will be

971
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 6: like never heard or seen before, Chicka Konku top three

972
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 6: tight end, Like I'll die my hair blot. No that's

973
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 6: not this year, but no, that's not this year's craziness.

974
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 6: But what I'm saying is is like you'll always find

975
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 6: the later rounds guys that just pop up out of

976
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 6: nowhere and end up being a top five tight end.

977
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 6: So I'm looking way later, Like, let's address other positions

978
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 6: and be hardcore there.

979
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: God bless you. I hate streaming tight ends. I hate it.

980
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 3: I hate it, I hate I hate being I hate picking.

981
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: A guy basically because I don't want to have to

982
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: guess who's going to score a touchdown.

983
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 4: That's not I I need is ten points man, not all,

984
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 4: but usually.

985
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: You got to get that guy to score a touchdown

986
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: because if you're streaming a guy off the waiver wire, like, yeah,

987
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: ten points is five catches for fifty yards, which seems okay.

988
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: But now if you're digging a guy off deep off

989
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: the waiver wire, like you really are praying that he

990
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: catches the ball and falls down in the end zone,

991
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: and God bless you if you guess right. I just

992
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to live my life that way.

993
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 6: I don't just need one, you just need one tight end.

994
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 2: Because but but for me, it goes back to our

995
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: conference about positional value, right like, because there aren't that

996
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: many of them that you can count on week to week.

997
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 3: You only start one, but there's not that many, Like

998
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 3: I will. I will make the move in like the.

999
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 2: Fourth or fifth round if if, if it's right, because

1000
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 2: I just don't want that headache.

1001
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 3: Man like Florida.

1002
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 2: You've said this before, Like there's a group of guys

1003
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 2: from like tight end eight to like tight end twenty.

1004
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: You could throw those names up in the air and

1005
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: any order they land in you look at and be

1006
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: like that makes sense.

1007
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's frustrating. That's super We're frustrating. I just can't

1008
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 3: handle that.

1009
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 5: So I have very few tight end targets right, Like

1010
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 5: like Warren is one. I love t J. Hockinson as

1011
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 5: well where he goes. I'm totally fine taking Trey McBride

1012
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 5: in the third round if I think he is the

1013
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 5: best player still on the board. And then it's like

1014
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 5: Evan Ingram mark Andrews to a lesser degree, and after

1015
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 5: that I start to feel real gross.

1016
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I've I've really come around on Evan Ingram.

1017
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna have a good year in Denver.

1018
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 5: That I'm not trying to be the David and Joku

1019
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 5: guy in my league. You know, I don't want to

1020
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 5: be going to battle with Jake Ferguson or Dalton Kincaid

1021
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 5: or name. I like Jim too, and I don't want

1022
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:47,479
Speaker 5: him to be my one.

1023
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 6: I got him as my one and strapped, you know,

1024
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 6: probably a Chicken koku or a Cole pitch.

1025
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 3: Again, throw him up in the air in whatever order

1026
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 3: they land in that.

1027
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 4: Screwg give me Dallas Goddard man.

1028
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 6: I don't care. He averaged ten Fantasy points per game

1029
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 6: last year.

1030
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 3: Well, you have fun with that.

1031
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 5: You have fun with that.

1032
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: Rookies. I know we talked a lot about rookies, especially

1033
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 3: rookie running backs this year. RJ. Harvey and Marie Hampton,

1034
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 3: Trevon Henderson, even guys whose name don't begin with H. Kwan.

1035
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: What is your strategy for going after rookies in drafts.

1036
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 4: I've recently changed my tune.

1037
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 6: Like as recent as like the last like three four years,

1038
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 6: I've like kind of like was preaching like, yeah, I'm

1039
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 6: not going to win any of these rookie wide receivers

1040
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 6: or any of these rookie tight ends. And then the

1041
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 6: last couple of years we've been seeing guys that are ADPs,

1042
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 6: are in the deep depths of hell, and then they

1043
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 6: end up shooting up the draft board the next following

1044
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 6: year because they have such great performances. So take the

1045
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 6: rookies that actually have opportunity, that are actually going to

1046
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 6: be on the field, that had the upside to even

1047
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 6: put up Fantasy relevant points. So there's guys like a

1048
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 6: Pat Brian that I can carve out and paint, you know,

1049
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 6: myself getting in like the fourteenth round. Like I'm going

1050
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 6: to be attacking some rookies after we get past that

1051
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 6: twelve round mark, where again this is where five through

1052
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 6: twelve I take proven players, and then round thirteen, et cetera,

1053
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 6: depending on your bench, no spots. I'm taking shots on

1054
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 6: rookies at running back tight end like it doesn't matter,

1055
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 6: like a Rendez Gatz and like I took him as

1056
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 6: my very last pick chargers tight end, Folks, you need

1057
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 6: to wake up. This boy can ball. So I'm taking

1058
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 6: him my very last pick as my tight end too,

1059
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 6: where like I can honestly see him leaping over Mark Andrews,

1060
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 6: who I took as my tight end one.

1061
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: All right, but outside of the late rounds, Florio, I mean,

1062
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: you know, like sure, it's great. I love ticking swings

1063
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: at late round rookies, but like you know, we just

1064
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: talked about you and Treveon Henderson.

1065
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 3: Right, we know how much Lakwan loves r J.

1066
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 5: Harvey.

1067
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,919
Speaker 2: I mean's go approach these early to mid round guys

1068
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: because we're excited. There's upside, but there is also risk

1069
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: involved with these guys.

1070
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 5: You have to be confident in your process to go

1071
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 5: this route. But I find that in most of my drafts,

1072
00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 5: I'm probably leaving with the most rookies because if you

1073
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 5: look back every year at ADP then versus how players finished,

1074
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 5: the ones who always stand out are the rookies. Like,

1075
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 5: look at last year's wide receiver ones, you're like neighbors

1076
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 5: and BTJ standout. You look at the RB ones, it's

1077
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 5: like Bucky Irving, Jayden Daniels at quarterback Brock Bowers right.

1078
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 5: So like to me, rookies are league winners now, and

1079
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 5: you have to trust your process because a lot of

1080
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 5: the times, what I think people do with rookies is

1081
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 5: they look at just the opportunity and oh, this guy

1082
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 5: could get a path to the field, But if that

1083
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 5: guy stinks, it doesn't matter. So you need to know

1084
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 5: this guy. To me, it needs to be a sweet spot.

1085
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 5: Like this guy I believe in the talent. I think

1086
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 5: he has the talent to really greatly exceed his ADP

1087
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 5: by a few rounds, and the opportunity is there. It's

1088
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 5: why I love Trevion, It's why I love Warren, It's

1089
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 5: why I loved like Jaden Daniels and Elik Neighbors last year.

1090
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 5: So yeah, I look, I'll take RJ. Harvey. I've taken

1091
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 5: Caleb Johnson in drafts like I'm probably going to Maybe

1092
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 5: I'm the wrong person, ass, but I'm on every one

1093
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 5: of my teams. I'm gonna have at least a couple

1094
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 5: of rookies.

1095
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Speaker 6: You know what, though, I do still feel nasty about

1096
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 6: taking a rookie in the first round. And this is

1097
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 6: like an Ashton Gent you know topic right now, because

1098
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 6: like I do feel like he's getting pushed up to

1099
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 6: the heights of where he's going before Derrick Henry, he's

1100
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 6: going like right after following you know, Barkley in some

1101
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 6: drafts where I'm like, are we pushing him a little

1102
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 6: too high?

1103
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 5: Like how we always do?

1104
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 6: Because you see Marvin Harrison Junior were in the first

1105
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 6: round last year. You see Garrett Wilson his rookie year,

1106
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 6: Chris o' lobby's rookie year, Miles Sanders. The list goes

1107
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 6: on when they start creeping into that back first round.

1108
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 6: So I think, me personally, I'm kind of hands off

1109
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 6: with rookies in the first round.

1110
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's I think GenZ is one we're

1111
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 2: drafting at his absolute ceiling. And I've said that from

1112
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 2: the beginning, that we're drafting him at a ceiling. But

1113
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 2: you know, I think what is that You've had guys

1114
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: in the past, like Ezekiel Elliott was one, right, Like

1115
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 2: that was a big one because when Saquan is another one, right,

1116
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 2: But Ezekiel was one where he got drafted and then

1117
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 2: everybody was like taking their fantasy folks were talking about

1118
00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: taking him in the first round.

1119
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 3: There was still a lot of still a.

1120
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: Lot of resistance at that time. It was like he's

1121
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 2: never played it down of NFL football, How can you

1122
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 2: do that?

1123
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: And then Zeke Boald, right, and so you know you

1124
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 3: got Zeke, you got Saquon, and so I think the

1125
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 3: hesitance is off. But I do think sometimes we do

1126
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 3: push these guys up a lot, but it's it's taking

1127
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 3: the swing with the hope that if they do hit,

1128
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 3: then you feel okay with the price of it, Right,

1129
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 3: it's it's more of an art because to take it's

1130
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 3: one person to get that guy off the board. Everybody

1131
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 3: else in the league could be like, I'm gonna wait

1132
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 3: till the second round. For Jint, it always takes one

1133
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 3: to be like, nope, I'm all in. I've got it right,

1134
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 3: and then that's where it is.

1135
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 5: I would never take a rookie receiver in the first

1136
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 5: round anymore, I don't think. But a running back it

1137
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 5: depends on the situation. A running back in like Gentee

1138
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 5: situation where he's the clear guy on a team that

1139
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 5: probably runs a bunch, I could see it. I'm not

1140
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 5: I like him a lot more in round two, but

1141
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 5: I could at least see the thinking.

1142
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, kickers, people are not I want kickers. I

1143
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 2: want kickers. Why no, no, no, no no no okay,

1144
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 2: no no no okay. Explain to me why you don't

1145
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: want kickers without saying the phrase we can't predict them.

1146
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 2: Give me another reason besides I can't.

1147
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what I told.

1148
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 4: My kickers are on a buy though. I don't want

1149
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 4: to go to the why waver wire to pick up

1150
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 4: another kicker?

1151
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 3: Why I want to player?

1152
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 5: In fantasy we root for offense, and rooting for a

1153
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 5: kicker is rooting for an offense to fail.

1154
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 3: But you're not to say, rooting for the kicker to

1155
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 3: come out, but like, you know, it's like it's it's.

1156
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 5: Still part of it. If I have to play a kicker,

1157
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 5: I want to see my kicker kicking, you know. And

1158
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 5: that's why I don't. I'm always like, well, if they

1159
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 5: don't score here, it's good for my kicker. I don't.

1160
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 5: I want the touchdown, you know.

1161
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 2: But because I think the way that won the way

1162
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 2: to sort of evaluate kickers, because it's not necessary rooting,

1163
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 2: but it's like it's knowing that there are offenses out

1164
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: there that are good enough to get into the red

1165
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 2: zone but not good enough to get.

1166
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 3: Into the end zone and sort of taking to that.

1167
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: The other part of it is, and the thing that

1168
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 2: I will always always defend and die on this hill

1169
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: is it is a It is a field leveler. It

1170
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 2: is a field level So what when when people who

1171
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: study this all the time playing leagues with casual people,

1172
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 2: the kicker is the one leveling element because there's that

1173
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 2: randomness that I think makes it fun. I think if

1174
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 2: we get to a point where I think if we

1175
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: get to a point where like, because here I also

1176
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 2: think there's this trend in fantasy of like we're just

1177
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: pairing everything down, right, We'll get rid of kickers. People

1178
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 2: like we should get rid of tight ends. I'm like,

1179
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 2: if this whole game is just quarterbacks, running backs and

1180
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 2: wide receivers, that's not fun because we've gotten very.

1181
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 3: Tight end. Yes, okay, now here's a push fewer worthwhile.

1182
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 2: Tight ends than there are kickers. Why are they're not

1183
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 2: tight ends?

1184
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 5: Here's why pushback on that point though, that we can't

1185
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 5: predict them. We are way too confident in our abilities

1186
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 5: to predict the other positions already. So there's already a

1187
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 5: ton of variants in fantasy football. You add the kicker

1188
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,919
Speaker 5: in and that I once lost a playoff matchup because

1189
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 5: the kicker put up like twenty two.

1190
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:11,439
Speaker 4: That was my next point.

1191
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 5: Have you lost? Part?

1192
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 2: No, it's not part I almost did. I almost did

1193
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 2: because I remember, Oh who was it?

1194
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 5: It was?

1195
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 2: There was like a Cardinals kicker back in the early

1196
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 2: two thousands. I don't think it was Jay Feely, but

1197
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 2: I remember leaving my buddy's house on a Sunday afternoon

1198
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 2: being like, yeah, the.

1199
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 3: Only way I lose if this dude kicks eight field

1200
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 3: goals tonight he kicked seven, Like I was lost that.

1201
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 3: It sucks to lose that way, but it's a great story.

1202
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 2: It's what makes this fun, as opposed to oh yeah, no,

1203
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 2: I studied all the film and I knew that so

1204
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 2: and so was gonna run for one thousand, fifteen hundred yards.

1205
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:49,919
Speaker 3: Like that's not fun.

1206
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 5: It's fun. We in the fantasy community we have a

1207
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 5: Hubris about us where we think we can predict what's

1208
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 5: gonna happen.

1209
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 3: It is punch that we need every once in a while.

1210
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 5: Writing starting is the most humbling experience every week for

1211
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 5: me because I'll be like, on Friday, I'm like, that

1212
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 5: guy's gonna play great, that guy's not. And then Sunday

1213
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 5: happens and I'm like, do I even know what I'm

1214
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 5: talking about? Half the time. I don't need that with

1215
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 5: kickers too, you know, we need that.

1216
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 3: I think we collectively need that occasional punch in the mouth.

1217
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 3: That's what kickers are.

1218
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 5: Here's my take on kickers. Let your league vote on it.

1219
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 5: If the league doesn't want them, you get rid of him.

1220
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 3: If they do, I don't.

1221
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 2: I don't think mandate them across the board. But if

1222
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:30,919
Speaker 2: you give it up, if you put up to a vote,

1223
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 2: I'm always gonna vote yes.

1224
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 3: I just I want always vote.

1225
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 5: Out. You know what the worst part about kickers are

1226
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 5: is if you stream them, having to pick up a

1227
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 5: kicker every week, which is usually the vote on me.

1228
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, though, do you really actually stream kickers

1229
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 2: every week? Or do you pick a guy who's just like,

1230
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: this dude seems good enough and you just roll.

1231
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 5: I do that and then I look back, like three

1232
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 5: weeks later, and I'm like, this guy's averaging like six

1233
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 5: points a game. I gotta drop them. And then I'm like,

1234
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 5: that's what it is.

1235
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 3: It's fine, speaking of kickers.

1236
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 5: Jason Sanders sideline four to five weeks.

1237
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 3: All right, well, don't draft him. Oh no, don't draft him.

1238
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 3: Draft somebody else. Score a lot of touchdowns anyway, he

1239
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 3: just be taking extra point So it's fine. Wait is

1240
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 3: he in Miami? He's in Detroit.

1241
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 5: He's in Miami? Now, YEAHAI, you don't.

1242
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 4: Even they don't even know where they are. That's the problem.

1243
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 5: Nobody knows who's what, Like, no get you know, we know,

1244
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 5: like like there's a handful of kickers that the public

1245
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 5: knows and everyone else is just like this player. You

1246
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 5: know one thing. Line, let's go. I play in the

1247
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 5: league where you don't draft a specific kicker, you draft

1248
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 5: the team's kicker. Okay, I like that better because if

1249
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 5: gets hurt, I don't want to have to go pick

1250
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 5: someone up the next guy.

1251
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 3: Right right? Dst spot Dan?

1252
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 5: What is That's what? I think? That's the sweet spot

1253
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:51,399
Speaker 5: for kicking?

1254
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 3: What is this like?

1255
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 6: Come on, man, Like, I'm cool with defenses, but kickers.

1256
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 5: I have to go to the wire to pick up

1257
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 5: a kick.

1258
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 4: I gotta spend fab I gotta spend a dollar on

1259
00:56:59,560 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 4: a kicker.

1260
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 3: No, don't just wait.

1261
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 2: You just wait until after waivers run and then you

1262
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 2: see who's there and you go pick him up, just

1263
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:06,479
Speaker 2: out of the roster.

1264
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 5: The ironic part is Lakwan is the closest thing to

1265
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,439
Speaker 5: a kicker on this shows as the resident soccer player.

1266
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 3: I mean, you are wearing a PSG jersey right now.

1267
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 5: Let's go. Let's go. If I was gonna say, if

1268
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 5: we if NFL Network was in a pinch and we

1269
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 5: needed an emergency kicker.

1270
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 3: You'd be the guy we called for sure. All Right,

1271
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 3: this this went longer than I thought it's probably time

1272
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 3: to wrap this up. Yeah, there you go.

1273
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 2: Those are our draft strategies. Hopefully you're able to gain

1274
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 2: some knowledge, get some signal from all the noise we

1275
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: just put out for the last hour or so. Back

1276
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 2: with You on Wednesday. I think we're actually doing a

1277
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 2: video show on Wednesday. That's the rumor.

1278
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 5: I'll be.

1279
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 3: I'll be there live in the building. So maybe we

1280
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 3: all sit next to each other and.

1281
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 5: Wait before we say goodbye. There's actually breaking news that

1282
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 5: matters per per Shifter. The Texans are not activating Joe

1283
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 5: Mixon by Tuesday, so he is ineligible to play in

1284
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 5: at least the first four games of the season.

1285
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 3: All right, you guys, so which it seemed to be

1286
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 3: trending that way anyway, but now we have a little

1287
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 3: more definition on it.

1288
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 6: Marks uh Mars, I didn't go there. I'm doing it.

1289
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 3: There you go, I'm doing Its awkward, It looks awkward

1290
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 3: and stuff. That's the way to work. Maybe in the

1291
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 3: show Back with You on Wednesday. Stick around for that

1292
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 3: as well.

1293
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 2: We appreciate you hanging out with us that I'll do

1294
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 2: it for this edition of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Oh,

1295
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 2: before we go, I want to say yeah a fun

1296
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 2: goodbye to our producer Susie Benon, who isn't Yes, it's

1297
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 2: out there now too late. I've already said it, Susie, sorry,

1298
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 2: can edit it out, who has been a big, big

1299
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Speaker 2: help to us. She is off to bigger and better.

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Speaker 2: We will absolutely miss you, good luck on the move.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully we will continue to see your work because you

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Speaker 2: have been a pleasure to work with. You have been

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Speaker 2: a huge help. We certainly appreciate you and and we

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Speaker 2: will miss you when you are no longer here. So

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Speaker 2: thank you to Susie. That'll do it for this edition

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Speaker 2: of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. They happy, save and healthy,

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Speaker 2: do good and live well. Enjoy the week, everybody. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk to you on Wednesday.