WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: What's the Frequency Kenneth? 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:15.840 Thinking Sideways. I don't know. You never know what story 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:21.240 is of things we simply don't know the answer to. Hey, guys, 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:25.119 welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways, the podcast that 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:30.360 solves unsolvable mysteries. That's right, that doesn't work if they're unsolvable, 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.480 we solve them anyways. Yep, this week. Oh I'm sorry, 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:37.040 I'm Devin. In case you haven't met us before, I'm 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:41.600 Devin joined I'm Steve, and we're going to talk about 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:45.280 a mystery. It was a listener suggestion from Bill on Facebook. 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.440 Thanks Bill, And we're going to call this one. What's 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:53.080 the frequency? Kenneth? That's an okay name for it, right, 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:56.400 I would say that's appropriate name for it? Yea, yeah yeah. 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:01.040 On October four, six, Dan there was walking home in 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:03.800 New York City when a man ran up behind him 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:06.200 and punched him in the back of the head, which 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:10.400 knocked him to the ground. Ground not for and uh 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:14.200 started beating him a little bit, and he the man 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:18.200 who attacked him, demanded, what's the frequency Kenneth or Kenneth, 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:24.080 what's the frequency? Reports differ? Yeah. As rather ran apparently 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.040 a second man ran after him and continued to try 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:31.600 and attack him. Rather ran into a hotel or apartment 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:36.000 lobby apartment building lobby, uh, and I guess felt to 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:39.640 the ground and was kicked a number of times before 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:43.759 an employee of the apartment complex was able to kind 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:46.520 of break the fight up, and the man ran away 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.160 and wasn't caught. But both men continued to demand throughout 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.080 the entire beating what they wanted to know what the 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:56.320 frequency was from Dan Rather? Hm? Weird? Right? Yeah, I 0:01:56.440 --> 0:02:00.880 did say. That's a very weird thing to continually yell. Asked, Yeah, 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:03.600 but you know, actually, if you want an excuse to 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:05.960 continue the beating, asked if you do want to be 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:09.040 asking an unanswerable question, Yeah, you kind of do. Yeah, 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:10.600 I'm just trying to beat the thing out of you. 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:12.760 If you would just tell me the answer, I'm glad 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:17.000 they stopped. Yeah. I can't imagine that people don't know 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:18.760 who Dan Rather is, but I guess we do have 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:22.679 a number of international listeners. So let's talk about Dan 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:27.200 Rather for a minute. Yeah cool. Dan Rather was born 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:31.160 in ninety one and led a pretty uninteresting life until 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:36.640 breaking into the broadcast journalism world kind of early September 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:41.360 nineteen six one, when he did some unconventional reporting on 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:46.480 Hurricane Carla. He was the first reporter to ever use 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:51.320 weather scanners on TV to explain to people where weather 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:56.240 patterns are. Yeah, weather, Yeah, they didn't exist. They didn't 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.400 have the technology to have that on screen. So he 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:01.920 actually went to what or service station and had the 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:06.160 camera trained on that to track where Hurricane Carlo was going. 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:10.919 Granted he was he had been a television journalist for 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:12.560 a number of years prior to that, but that was 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:16.680 kind of his first big claims fame. I don't remember 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:18.600 when it was, but I know. The other notable thing 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.120 he did is he was one of the reporters that 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:24.400 was embedded in Vietnam. Yeah, he was a he was 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.080 a war correspondent. And actually that was after he had 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.560 kind of had this rise to fame. He moved to 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.440 New York City in nineteen sixty two and started a 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:35.840 trial period at CBS, and apparently he didn't fit in 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:38.760 very well. But he did end up covering the crash 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:43.280 of American Airlines Flight one, which was a notable crash 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:46.320 with a number of notable people on board that died, 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:49.280 and it's a bit of an unsolved mystery, but we'll 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:55.160 talk about that later one, because I'm not prepared for 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:56.960 that one. No, no, no, no, that's a mystery for 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:02.000 a different time. He also reported on the JFK assassination, 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.680 which is another huge unsolved mystery for another time. Until 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:07.760 we tackle it. Until we tackle it, we'll solve it. 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.600 Don't worry, guys, because it's not actually unsolvable. It's not. 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:13.680 We will solve it. Yeah. Yeah, Dan Rather was assigned 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.560 to be a White House correspondent for CBS, and then 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:20.920 he went onto assignment in viet to Vietnam War. And 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:24.239 then he came back and he was assigned the anchor 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:28.080 position for CBS Evening News, which is CBS is nightly 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:31.640 news segment. And he also he also did segments on 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:34.640 sixty Minutes also, yeah he did, and he you know, 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:38.240 he was the anchor um on CBS Evening News for 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:42.440 twenty four years. Yeah. Yeah, he was there forever so 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:44.400 and then and of course it was from his position 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.400 at sixty Minutes of his career kind of came to 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:52.120 a closer the end about ten years ago. Yeah. I 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:55.000 want to talk about that. We will, because it comes 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.039 up in the theory. Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot. 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:01.960 I'm sorry. We have some interesting theories. I I sprung 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.760 something at the last minute on Devon. Yeah, I forgot. 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:06.760 I totally forgot that. I had that written at the 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:12.480 end of my script. Now, anyways, in six this beating 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:16.200 happened and nobody really knew why. Rather was quoted as 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:19.200 saying I was mugged. He's kind of this very matter 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.440 of fact statement. He says, it was mugged. I don't 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:23.280 know why it happened. I wish I did, but I 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:27.600 don't know. Classic mugging except they didn't. Yeah, well that 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.160 was exactly it is. None of the reports have any 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:35.400 kind of missing items of any kind. It seems like, yeah, 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:37.080 I mean I think he was. It was maybe his 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:42.279 egos at bruised. Yeah. A few years later, Dan Rather 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:46.080 did identify the man who had been beating him. It 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.640 gets it gets at a little weird in here for me, 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.520 because in all of the reports I've read, there were 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.760 two men. These are the reports from the year it happened. 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:56.400 From the year it happened, there were two men. And 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:58.440 then a couple of years later, this other man that 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.800 I'm about to talk about was arrested it and Dan 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:02.479 Rather said, oh, yeah, that was the that was the 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:05.400 one guy who was beating me. There's no mention of, oh, 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:07.599 but there was a second guy who started it or 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:09.440 anything like that. It's just, yeah, that was the guy. 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.440 Some reports I've heard it was just one guy beating 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:15.039 him and then the other guys just kind of stood by. Yeah, 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.760 but there were two men involved, and you know, anyways, 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:23.120 it gets He definitely disappears from the lore, which I'm 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:25.360 sure we'll talk about a little bit in a minute too. 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:31.159 But this man's name was William Tagger, and that was 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:34.920 when he was identified to Yes, and you may be 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:38.599 familiar with that name if you're a weirdo about murders 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.200 or anything. I don't know, some of our listeners might 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:45.520 be into that sort of stuff. They're just interested in 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:51.560 random explained murders may well, except yeah, unprovoked this is 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.320 a better word, because this this murder was actually explained 0:06:55.920 --> 0:07:00.880 and stupid. Yeah. In n Tagger attempted to enter the 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:03.000 set of the Today Show with a gun. He had 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:06.280 like a rifle strapped to his back and he tried 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:08.280 to enter and the security guards said no. So he 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.000 got in his car and drove away and then came 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.560 back with the rifle and tried to gain insurance again 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.160 when one of the men who was on the crew 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:21.840 of the Today Show named Campbell their own Montgomery, which 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.640 is the USA version of a Game of Thrones name 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:28.480 really what it is? I don't watch the show or 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:32.080 read books. You guys are the worst. Anyways, Tagger shot 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.160 Campbell in the back in the back a few times 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:37.800 as he was running away and trying to alert the police, 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:43.680 and uh, Campbell died and Tiger was arrested. Tigger was 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:48.200 convicted and sentenced. He was denied parole when he first 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:50.200 came up for it in two thousand and seven, but 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:53.200 he was released in two thousand and I think he 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:56.080 lives in New York and Dan rather hasn't been seeing 0:07:56.120 --> 0:08:01.720 since that's not true, are you tell me, Devin? We 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:03.640 can save it if if it comes up later. But 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.080 did you want to go into his motivations for that 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.240 or had you intended to? Yeah, we're gonna talk a 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:12.320 little bit about that in then, okay, because there's there's 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:17.560 some very strange WTF moments in his accounts of why 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.000 he did that. So I just want to make sure yeah, 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:23.720 by by no, in no uncertain terms, Tagger was a 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:28.280 crazy person. He still is, just check it, but perhaps 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:31.400 a person from another or maybe something else is going on. 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:35.840 But even that you kind of can say he's crazy. Yeah, 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.360 so that I know, we usually talked for like an 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.280 hour about what happened and then briefly talk about theories. 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:48.480 But happened, So we're going to talk about theories. Wait 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:51.000 are you? Are you warning our listeners it's going to 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:53.440 be a short show. Well, I don't think it's going 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:59.599 to be sure, it'll be shorter than last week. Let's talk, Okay, opposite, 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:07.199 it's all talk, like Steve, let's all talk. So one 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.679 thing I wanted to mention is that Rather found out 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:14.720 about it through Tigger's psychiatrist. Correct, because he was he 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:18.840 was forced to see a psychiatrist after the murder, after 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:21.680 the murder and then and then that's when Tigger told 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.000 his psychiatrist said he was the one who who had 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:29.760 beaten up Dan Rather. Yeah, so, and so that that 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:31.880 is how he found out the set from the psychiatrist. 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:35.719 I have heard that, Yeah, I do. I do want 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:39.360 to raise a red flag on that though, because I 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:45.280 know that there's a limit to patient client confidentiality, and 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.520 I know that like if you're going to do harm 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:52.760 or you've done a heinous crime that doesn't apply. Beaten 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:56.160 the crap out of a news anchor doesn't seem to 0:09:56.320 --> 0:10:03.720 qualify for violating that brilliant Yeah, well, but it's also 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:08.000 way outside of the statute of limitation. Well, I think 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:11.079 that we can kind of go into this now. Uh 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:17.920 we as a community group team Sideways found the transcripts 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:23.280 from the parole hearings her Tagger and uh Dan Rather 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:27.439 isn't mentioned any at all in there. And one would 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:30.960 think if if they had decided or he hadn't admitted 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:33.520 to that attack, that would come up, because it was 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:37.040 a pretty brutal attack. Yeah, but he didn't. He didn't 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:40.319 confess it to the police. He did not, so that 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.920 that's kind of I I agree with Steve. I have 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:47.040 some questions about whether or not he ever admitted that 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.959 he did this, or if it was just a psychiatrist 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:53.000 trying to get a bump in his popularity for some 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:56.240 reason or whatever it may be. Yeah, but but when 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.440 he went Rather it was shown a picture of Tagger. 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.800 He's identified him as being the did it and when Yeah, 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:06.320 but what was it was he showing the photo? I'm 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:09.320 not sure, but it would have been at the earliest nine. Okay, 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:13.200 that's that's eight to ten years later. I got a question, 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.240 have you and you've seen pictures of Tagger, right? I 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:18.280 mean he's not the most uniquely he's kind of an 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.320 odd looking guy, but he's not super unique. No, So 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:25.640 that's why I question how Rather so instantly said, that's 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:29.440 the guy. But also it's not documented what under what 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:31.880 process he was shown the picture was, if it was 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:36.400 in a lineup under kind of police supervision or professional supervision, 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:40.360 or if the psychiatrist or psychologist was saying, oh, yeah, 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:42.280 this guy said he beat you up, and Dan Rather 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:44.040 looked it and said bad. It kind of looks like him. 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:46.640 Probably was him, you know, we don't know. Yeah, that's 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:50.280 exactly thank you that. I think that that's an important 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:53.880 thing to keep in mind as well. So with that 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.520 short and introduction to this show, now we're really going 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:58.920 to the theories. We're really going to theory. Alright. The 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:04.280 first theory ends with a sentence, I swear to god, 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.920 Joe did not come up with this theory, but he 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:10.640 very easily could have. So let's get into that. As 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:14.560 we mentioned, Dan Rather was assaulted kind of outside of 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.840 and then in the entry way of an apartment building, um, 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.600 and that somebody who worked there did kind of step 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:25.199 in and stopped behind. Yeah. And you know, most people 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.880 kind of think that this was just a case of 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:31.520 mistaken identity, that somebody, the people who started beating Dan 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:34.400 Rather up thought that he was somebody he wasn't, which 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:39.120 is fair. It's possible it was kind of in the 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:43.360 middle of his meteoric rise to fame. But I guess 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.080 if you don't watch the news, people get beat up 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:49.480 for all kinds of reasons and get into trouble for 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.400 mistaken identities all the time. Yeah. The other thing that 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:57.160 this theory relies heavily on is that Dan Rather was 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:59.000 he was hit in the head and he was being 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:03.040 beaten up, and that it's totally possible that he misunderstood 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:07.720 what the men were yelling at him or misremembered. Absolutely. 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:12.000 According to this theory, the people who the two men 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:15.920 that were beating Dan Rather up were fairly well dressed. 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:19.560 I don't know what that means. I've never I don't 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:23.240 know if you guys found in the original research versus 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.520 this theory, And he mentioned of the style of clothing 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.240 that these people were wearing, that they were well dressed. 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:31.280 But that was all I heard. I don't know why. 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:36.640 I never means never ever recall seeing that. Now, apparently 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:41.520 the neighborhood that Dan Rather was in was one of 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:48.160 the gay or neighborhoods of Manhattan or areas of Manhattan. No, 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:53.920 I'm not, actually, but I am saying that apparently this 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.040 was kind of one of those areas at that time. 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.400 I don't know, it may or may not have been. 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:02.000 According to this theory, it really was. Yeah, the quote 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:06.800 unquote research around this particular one call in a question. Yeah, Jos, 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:09.920 after we've talked about that, I think it might be 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:14.280 economy to Yeah, And apparently, reportedly Dan Rather being you know, 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.720 off duty for the day, he was wearing jeans and 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:23.920 a striped polo and aviator sunglasses. And yeah, because it's 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.360 Dan Rather, so probably he's a news anchor, comes of 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.200 course would always be his best Yeah. Of course, where 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:34.960 does Penny Loafer's. Yeah, Anyways, these two men mistook Dan 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:41.680 Rather for a man that one of the men's boyfriends 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:45.680 was cheating on him with. Maybe he really was. Maybe 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:51.160 they mistook Dan Rather for having snuck out of the 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:55.800 boyfriend's apartment so he lived in that apartment building building 0:14:55.880 --> 0:15:01.000 right there and the boyfriend would have lived there. They 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:02.920 beat him in the head, hit him in the head, 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:06.440 and Dan Rather ran towards the apartment building again, which 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:11.000 just further enraged these men and they started kicking him, 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:14.400 and Dan Rather reportedly said you got the wrong guy, 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.680 which of course made them think even more that he 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:23.280 was the lover. And so what were they saying to him? 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:27.880 Reportedly they were saying, what is this freak seeing Kenneth? 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:30.320 Which also doesn't make a whole lot of I mean, 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:36.360 what weird, It's stupid, it's so shoehorned, I feel, you know, 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.280 It's definitely one of those kind of oh yeah, this 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:41.400 person is going to call this person a freak, Like, well, 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:45.360 what do you You're like beating this man up for 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:51.640 being gay with your boyfriend syndrome? Yeah, but all like 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:54.320 what an odd choice of words of what is this 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.160 freak seeing Kenneth? Like what probably not what I would 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:00.000 say in that situation, not what I would say. Okay, 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.400 so I'm going to do this a number of times 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:07.440 with this phrase, is trying to figure out because Rather 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:11.080 got hit in head a number of times, so is 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.480 Marbles might have been bouncing around yeah, and I think, yes, 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:18.400 saying what is this freak seeing Kenneth? You know that 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.280 it could have been put into frequency Kenneth. You know, 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:25.400 since Dan rather was in broadcasting, frequency would have been 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:28.440 more in his vocabulary than That's not where it's going. 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:33.200 I'm trying to figure out what the frequency Kenneth could 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:37.560 be translated from if you're if you get got hit 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:39.280 and a head a couple of times. But that's what 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.600 I'm saying, is that it could have been translated from 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.600 what is this freak seeing Kenneth? And it could have 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:48.640 been are you there's an F word that you can 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:54.920 insert yourself, Kenneth. So if somebody says that, if you 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:59.560 say that rapidly, it could to somebody who's you know, 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:03.720 ears are ringing from being knocked about the head could 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:06.640 kind of sound like that. And again I know it's 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.080 not a perfect fit. I understand this. Yeah, I usually 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:13.520 with this story. Yeah, I usually think that, like the 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:17.320 first and the last words are probably pretty close to 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:23.000 so what are you Fford Kenneth, Yeah, or something like that, 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.119 something like that. Yeah, Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:28.440 don't know either. It's how many times did they say 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:30.320 this phrase? And I don't know. I don't know if 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:34.440 anybody knows. It's always always called that is just repeatedly, 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.439 so repeatedly. Could have been two times or ken times. 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.080 I don't think it's more than two, but I don't 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.479 think Dan Rather was able to like say, oh, I 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:47.000 was counting while they were beating me. You know. Anyways, 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:51.240 I think the reason that this theory sounds exactly like 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:53.440 Joe is because it ends with and I'll quote here, 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:55.800 I'm sure that if the police check the list of 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.280 tenants in the building, they will find a man named Kenneth. 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:01.400 Questioning him should lead to the sailants, and this case 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:09.199 will have been resolved. Yeah, right, that all they have 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:10.840 to do is do this one thing and then they'll 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:14.199 solve the case. It's so easy, Kenneth yet, Yeah, all 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:15.879 you have to do is find obviously there was a 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:17.879 Kenneth that lived there, and obviously he was gay, and 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.199 obviously he was cheating on his boyfriend, and obviously the 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:23.479 boyfriend just beat the crap out of Dan Rather while yelling. 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:27.960 But this freak scene Kenneth. Obviously that is the easiest 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:32.560 answer to this. Of course, Yeah, solved, there we go, 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:38.639 all right, Well, so funder email address. Oh no, well 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:42.120 you devn know that I found a theory that was 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:47.040 obscenely similar, super similar. Yeah, and thankfully we have some 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:49.320 folks out there who could help us with this because 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:52.399 I'm probably in a butcher some pronunciation. Even though you 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.600 asked for help, I asked for help, but nobody was 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.520 quite sure if what they were giving me was right. 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:03.800 But there's an other theory that goes that rather was 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:11.159 assaulted by one or two Jewish men for reasons unknown. 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:16.000 And it's New York. There's a sizeable Jewish community in 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:20.520 that city, so he may have made somebody angry and 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.760 or it could have been a mistake and identity absolutely, 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.920 you know, they they didn't like him, or they thought 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:32.679 that he was somebody else that was a problem. But 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:38.120 the reading that I found on this, they say that 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:43.400 it wasn't Kenneth that was being yelled, but instead it 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:46.000 was it was it's a Yiddish word. So again this 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:47.920 is why I'm not sure I'm going to do this right. 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:54.520 But it's gone if, which is Yiddish for thief or 0:19:54.640 --> 0:20:00.040 a dishonest person, basically a liar. I then started I, 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:03.280 like I talked about earlier, with the whole puss word 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:06.800 substitution because I love word jumbles. Is trying to figure 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:11.200 out other Yiddish words that might sound like some of 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:14.960 the phrasing that was used. So I was looking for 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:17.720 I can't put the sentence together. I don't know Yiddish, 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:21.760 but words it would maybe sound like frequency if you're 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.239 yelling and you're beating up somebody and you're calling him 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:27.960 a thief. I found a couple that might kind of work. 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:31.960 And again I might be butchering this, but this is 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:36.119 Yiddish or princess as in I think it's princess as 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:39.440 in a bit of a putdown, but it's print zeth. 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:44.879 It's p r I E t z t h, so 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:49.159 my pronunciation is probably totally off on that. Or the 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:53.119 other one is pro stalk, which is an ignorant, bore 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:58.440 or a vulgar man. So I could see these words. 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.240 If this this other theory that I had, where he's 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:04.119 being attacked by a couple of Jews who were angry 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:07.520 at him for I don't know what reason, then it 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:10.840 could be that they were Everything that was yelled at 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:14.679 him was held in Yiddish, so we had no idea 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:17.200 what it was. So he put it together as best 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:20.679 he could in English, and please don't rely on my 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:28.080 terrible pronunciation, but it could completely be that. I mean, 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:30.239 it could also the theory. It could also be a 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:32.440 mix of English. You know, it could have been um, 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:34.959 where is it? Or what is it? Or something like 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:38.600 that and thief or what you know, not what did 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:41.000 you take? But you know, I mean, it could be 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:45.520 that a mix of accusations in English and Yiddish also, 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:48.240 And maybe maybe it wasn't even a case of a 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:50.399 stake in identity. Maybe they recognized him and he had 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:52.679 said something or another who upset them on the news, 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:56.600 So they also totally possible. Yeah, they you know that 0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:59.960 he's a goyam. They don't like goyam, and he's made 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:03.359 them angry, so we're going to take it out on you. 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:06.160 I'm not sure that Jews don't like going on. Well, 0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:10.719 but if he's, if he has made them angry, well, okay, 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:13.800 you're not of the faith. What the heck we can 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:16.520 justify beating the crap out of this guy. I don't know, 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:19.639 I don't know. I'm this is that's the theory, and 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:22.280 that's kind of the short road that I ran down. 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:25.840 I linguistics is not my area, so I tryd of 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:28.800 stopped short. Yeah, it's always possible. I mean, you know, 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:31.119 that's it brings up another good point. It could have 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:35.200 been a different language, that it could have been anything. 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:39.000 You know, it's it's hard to tell. The next theory 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:42.919 is fun. I like this theory, and actually this is 0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:48.600 the theory that was brought to our attention with the story. Yeah. Yeah, 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:52.119 this is the number one copy paste theory on the Internet. 0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:55.040 And since it's copy paste, we're going to copy paste 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:57.439 it too, because there's really I think the telling of 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:00.439 it is pretty good, and I'm it's literally copy pit. 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:02.879 Everywhere I've ever seen it is literally copy paste. I 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:06.040 copy pasted it into the script. I think that this 0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:07.680 is the best telling of it. We're not going to, 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:10.480 like just read it word for word, though I think 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:13.359 we may have to do. I actually we're going to 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:16.240 read portions of it to give it its full due. 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:19.399 We've got to read some of this because it plays 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:23.879 into a bunch of pop culture references, because it's been 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:26.800 around long enough. Are you guys ready, let's do this 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:30.640 all right. On the evening of October four, stan Rather 0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:34.159 was attacked by William Tagger, who contrary to popular belief, 0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:37.959 had a very good reason for attacking. Rather, Bill Tagger 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:42.600 was born in the year Bill Tagger is from the future. 0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:46.520 Bill Tagger is not of our planet. Well, technically, he 0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:49.560 is from Earth, but not from our Earth. Tagger comes 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:51.440 from an Earth and a parallel universe, and he was 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:54.440 sent here by the government of his planet. On Tagger's Earth, 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:57.880 the entire planet is under control of one government, Taggers 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:01.800 worldwide government had been experimenting what's time travel to parallel universes, 0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:04.840 which involves a warp of the space time continuum for 0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:08.120 almost a hundred and fifty years. Bill Tagger, a convicted 0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:10.760 felon on his planet, volunteered to be the first human 0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:12.679