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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't know. You never know what story

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Speaker 1: is of things we simply don't know the answer to. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways, the podcast that

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Speaker 1: solves unsolvable mysteries. That's right, that doesn't work if they're unsolvable,

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Speaker 1: we solve them anyways. Yep, this week. Oh I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: I'm Devin. In case you haven't met us before, I'm

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Speaker 1: Devin joined I'm Steve, and we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: a mystery. It was a listener suggestion from Bill on Facebook.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Bill, And we're going to call this one. What's

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Speaker 1: the frequency? Kenneth? That's an okay name for it, right,

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Speaker 1: I would say that's appropriate name for it? Yea, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: On October four, six, Dan there was walking home in

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Speaker 1: who attacked him, demanded, what's the frequency Kenneth or Kenneth,

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Speaker 1: what's the frequency? Reports differ? Yeah. As rather ran apparently

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Speaker 1: a second man ran after him and continued to try

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Speaker 1: an employee of the apartment complex was able to kind

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Speaker 1: and wasn't caught. But both men continued to demand throughout

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Speaker 1: the entire beating what they wanted to know what the

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Speaker 1: frequency was from Dan Rather? Hm? Weird? Right? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: did say. That's a very weird thing to continually yell. Asked, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you know, actually, if you want an excuse to

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Speaker 1: they stopped. Yeah. I can't imagine that people don't know

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Speaker 1: a number of international listeners. So let's talk about Dan

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Speaker 1: Rather for a minute. Yeah cool. Dan Rather was born

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Speaker 1: in ninety one and led a pretty uninteresting life until

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Speaker 1: Granted he was he had been a television journalist for

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Speaker 1: a different time. He also reported on the JFK assassination,

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Speaker 1: which is another huge unsolved mystery for another time. Until

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Speaker 1: We will solve it. Yeah. Yeah, Dan Rather was assigned

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Speaker 1: all right. On the evening of October four, stan Rather

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Speaker 1: passed and he would have to wait another week to

427
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: try to return, and there was no possible way to

428
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 1: let Burrows know this. The constant voices were driving him insane.

429
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: He wasn't even able to sleep at night. If there

430
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: was any way Tagger could find a precise frequency that

431
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: was being broadcasted to his brain, he could possibly override

432
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: the voices and be able to sleep at night until

433
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 1: he was able to make his return trip. As he

434
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: walked on the streets of New York late on the

435
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: evening of October fourth, Tigger saw a man who he

436
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: thought was Vice President Kenneth Burrows. He quit, came to

437
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: his senses and knew that Burrows would never make the

438
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: risky trip himself, and figured it must be Burrows is

439
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: double on our earth. However, he thought, what were the

440
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: chances that, out of over five billion people on the planet,

441
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: he would meet the twin of the man who had

442
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: been sending hostile messages directly to his brain for two weeks.

443
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: Tagger called out to the man, Kenneth, Kenneth Burrows. To

444
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: his surprise, the man, whom we know is Dan Rather,

445
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: turned to see who was yelling and not was knocked

446
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: to the ground. Tagger repeatedly kicked Rather as he lay

447
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 1: on the ground, yelling what's the frequency Kenneth, hoping to

448
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: learn the frequency of the signal being broadcast to his

449
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: brain to stop the voices. When rather didn't respond, Tagger

450
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: realized that he had made a terrible mistake, and indeed

451
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: attacked Burrows is double on our planet. He fled the

452
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: scene and later missed his second and last chanced to

453
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: return to his home planet. Years later, in in an

454
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: attempt to get in contact with somebody who might be

455
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: able to identify the frequency and put an end to

456
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: the voices that haunted him for so many years, Tagger

457
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: shot and killed an NBC technician outside of the Today's

458
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: Show studios. Today, William Tregor sits in prison in New York.

459
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: The voices now an automatic message that replays itself every

460
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: twenty minutes, still playing his head. Damn, you know, I

461
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: got that. That's a you know, that's like having ringing

462
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: in your years whatever, being on the train and hearing

463
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: the announcement. Wouldn't you just tune that out after a while? Yeah,

464
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: that's good point. I don't know. If it's quiet for

465
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: twenty minutes and then a message plays and then it

466
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: turns off, that would be pretty awful. I think that

467
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: every now and again it would startle you. But I

468
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: can imagine that after a week of that, you would

469
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: just learn to not hear it. I mean, think about

470
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: I live near an airport. Every now and again, I

471
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: hear the planes going overhead because I'm in their their

472
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: circle pattern. But every day, you know, but most of

473
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: the time I'll look up, Oh, hey, there's a plane,

474
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: and then suddenly realized that it is these raging lee

475
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: loud noise you did. The other thing he could have

476
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: done was he could have gone to a neurologists and

477
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: just said, hey, I'm getting weird things going with my

478
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: eyesight and stuff, and I think I might have a

479
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: brain tumor. Actually your head. They find that, they find

480
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: the receiver in your head, and they have brain searcher

481
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: health insurance for that. Well, he was a convicted felon

482
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: in his time. He didn't have health insurance. He didn't

483
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: have anything in art. He didn't have anything in art time.

484
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: He was stealing bread to eat. Joe, so go to

485
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: go to one of those hospitals that specializes in poor people.

486
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: The one thing I got to admit I did as

487
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: you were reading this, it suddenly dawned on me and

488
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to check because I never figured out where

489
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: this story came from. But the one thing I do

490
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: have to give kudos to the person who wrote this.

491
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: They actually, if it was written a significant amount of

492
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: time after the event, they at least took the time

493
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: to look up the population of this planet in because

494
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: they got the number right. Yeah, well not precisely right.

495
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: It wasn't exactly, it wasn't five bill But how often

496
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: did they say and there was nine billion people on

497
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: the planet in nineteen seventy two? Is like, dude, you

498
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: got the wrong year totally. Yeah, like, at least they

499
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: got that right. But I'm sorry this right, It didn't

500
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: get at all right. Story has been around for so long.

501
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: And did either of you figure out where he came from?

502
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: I have no idea. It's just probably came from Tagger.

503
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. The copy pace syndrome tells me that

504
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,959
Speaker 1: it is something from a forum for fun. Yeah, I

505
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: think probably. It's probably one of those writing prompts. But yeah,

506
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: like you said, I couldn't find out where it was from.

507
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: I don't think Joe could find out where it's from.

508
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: But I do like it. It's fine, a fun one.

509
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: It's fun and it explains it pretty solidly. Yeah, it's

510
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: not true, but still well inspired a movie reallywell monkeys,

511
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: twelve Monkeys. Yeah, supposedly this story was kind of the

512
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: basis for twelve Monkeys. You know what else? The story

513
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: was the basis for him? Uh? No, a song? Are you?

514
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: That's right? Ye? What the frequency Kenneth? Did you guys

515
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: listen after reading this? Did you listen to the read

516
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: the lyrics? Did you? Yeah? I know I do this

517
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: with songs all the time. As you hear it and

518
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: you're bothering along and you're having a good time, and

519
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: then suddenly you read the lyrics and you go, oh,

520
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: what is this about? Maaks those sense? And that's exactly

521
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: how this became a number one song. I don't know

522
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: it had a good tune. People didn't listen to lyrics. No,

523
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: because if you caught yourself reading or you know, going

524
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: along with the words and say and singing them out

525
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: loud and thinking about what it said, whoa, it's a

526
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: weird song? Yeah, wait to go? Are um in a

527
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: terrible play? Oh? That's right, that's yeah, that's so. Can

528
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: you imagine that you had this embarrassing, a little little

529
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: dust up and somebody beats crap out of you, and

530
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: now that's a song about it. Now, that's a play

531
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: about it. Who was it? Which? Which late night show

532
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: was it? The Dan Rather went on with R. E. M.

533
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: And he performed with them. I think it was like

534
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: The Tonight Show or David Letterman or something like that.

535
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: But he at least had enough characters say yeah this happened, fine,

536
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: I'll play along. Yeah, it's a major cultural turning point

537
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,719
Speaker 1: in our history, I mean our nations history. So you know, hey,

538
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: it was a major cultural turning point. Oh yeah, not really. Sorry,

539
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: that supposed to left awarding the Internet. I'm not supposed

540
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:43,239
Speaker 1: to shot. Yeah. I was just gonna say, Joe has

541
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: an interesting theory. Yeah, well it's not actually my theory.

542
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: This is sorry. Joe found an interesting party. Yeah, I

543
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: found this. This one was a team group effort. I think. Yeah,

544
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: we all kind of went off on our own paths

545
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: on this one, which is unusual, but it's fun. Yeah. So, uh,

546
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: this guy, the guy who came up with this theory

547
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: is named Paul Limbert Allman, and he wrote an essay

548
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: in Harper's Magazine in December of two thousand one in

549
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: which he drew a connection between Dan Rather and a

550
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: writer named Donald Barthelm and Barth Barthelm was kind of

551
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: a postmodernist writer. He he, I don't know, I don't

552
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: know that he ever wrote a novel, but he wrote

553
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: a lot of short stories, and he did a lot

554
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: of other stuff too. He taught at some some universities

555
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and he was actually a journalist

556
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: for a while. He grew up in Houston about the

557
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: same time that Dan Rather did, and he went into

558
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: journalism around the same time that Dan Rather did, also

559
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: in Houston. Both of them started out in Houston. So it's, uh,

560
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: it's actually quite likely that Rather in Balthelm or Barthelm.

561
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: Quite likely they had at least a passing acquaintance with

562
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: one another. Yeah. Yeah, and they could have crossed paths

563
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: in good ways or astonishingly negative ways. It's hard to say,

564
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: it's hard to tell him. Yeah, So he all unbelieves

565
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: that Barthelm had had something against Rather and that he

566
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: possibly was behind the attack, and his clues were from

567
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: some stories. Some of the bartown stories are one of

568
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: his stories, actually a couple of his stories. A character

569
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: named Kenneth appears in the story. So that's damning. And

570
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: then there was another story, yeah, and then there was

571
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: another right there, Yeah, he wrote another story which had

572
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: an interesting passage in it, This is kind of a

573
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: Q and A like an inner somebody being interviewed from

574
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: Then the story was called kirk Yard unfair to Schlegel. Yeah,

575
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: it sounds like a story I'm gonna go out. Yeah

576
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: maybe in Russia, yeah, Germany. So here's answer. I'm on

577
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: a train, a European train with compartments. A young girl

578
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: enters and it sits opposite me. The book is in

579
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: her lap. Her legs are fairly wide apart, very tanned.

580
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: The color of question, that's a very common fantasy answer.

581
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: All of my fantasies are extremely ordinary. Question. Does it

582
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: give you pleasure? Answer? Or rather unsatisfactory question? What is

583
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: the frequency? Yeah? Absolutely, he's guilty. Frequency he's guilty. I

584
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: really just called that writer's block. Yeah. Another story he

585
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: wrote another story called This is Barthea Elm again called

586
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: the Emerald and What. There's a character named Lather who

587
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: was a newspaper writeritor who was a complete flaming papas jerk,

588
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: and al Man seems to believe that Barthel basis character

589
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: and Dan rather and he seems to believe that he

590
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: had some sort of a grudge against rather, and that

591
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,959
Speaker 1: was his motivation for either being part of the sort

592
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: of being behind the soor preps just as randomly inspiring

593
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: this attack. M Yeah, I don't know. I mean this

594
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: kind of the idea that Dan rather is the basis

595
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: for a character named Lather that I'm I'm willing to

596
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: go there. I'm not willing to go there with the

597
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: what's the frequency? In the Q and A? And I'm

598
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: not really willing to go there just because he named

599
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: a couple of characters Kenneth. Yeah, but hey, circumstantial, Like

600
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: I said, this is this is an amazingly weak theory. Yeah,

601
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that he I'm pretty sure that Almond

602
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: was not entirely serious about this. Well, I see here

603
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: that that you did give this Actually I've never seen

604
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 1: to do this, but you gave this theory a score, Joe, Yeah,

605
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: I did, had three thumbs up out of a possible

606
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: hundred thumbs. Yeah. Yeah. Uh So. He also adapted this

607
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: into a play called Kenneth, What does the Frequency, which

608
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: played a few months in New York City at the

609
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: seventy eight Street Theater Lab. And I bet that was

610
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: for excellent Yeah, And that was also performed with the

611
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: two thousand for Edinburgh Fringe Festival. Of course it was,

612
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: and it got reviewed by Variety. They gave it kind

613
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: of a tepid review. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. You

614
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 1: cannot like a person and not orchestra in an attack

615
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: on them and still make fun of them. There is

616
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: a people that I don't like and I make fun of,

617
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: and yet I have never contracted a beating on them.

618
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: Safe good job. That seems kind of a street ye

619
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: to go to that length, you just you don't like you?

620
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: What was the term a pompish jerk? I believe that

621
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 1: if you consider a pompish jerk, tho it is what's

622
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: the what's the frequency? Kenneth? I don't quite get that.

623
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: There's no reason so that he can pepper really really

624
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: innocuous kind of references throughout his literature for their next

625
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: ten years right and garner attention for Well, it could

626
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: be related, but maybe not, but probably not. Maybe maybe

627
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. Another theory, and this is I think

628
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: our most solid serious theory so far, is that this

629
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: was just a piece of performance art. No, that's not real.

630
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: You can't fool me. Joe is now shoehorning. Random theory

631
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: it's a shoehorned theory that to start with. Yeah, there's

632
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: another theory out there on the a shoehorns. Somebody ordered

633
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: this as a hit kind of train that Steve ended

634
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: up I think doing a lot of more research on

635
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: than I did, because I'm not really excited about it.

636
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: I really shouldn't have spent all of the time Saturday

637
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: when I got to bed at like one three in

638
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: the morning for being on the internet. Nope, you shouldn't have.

639
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: But it's it involves Uh, I was beating the bushes.

640
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: You are beating the bushes. Because this deals entirely with

641
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 1: the Bush family. Dan rather has a reputation for, as

642
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: his editors and producers whuls say, pissing people off. He's

643
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: good at at getting to the core and finding what's

644
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: going on, or at least finding out how to ask

645
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: the right question to really rattle somebody and getting new

646
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: things out of him. Yeah. I mean, that's that's a

647
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: skill that is an admirable one when you're in that profession.

648
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: He did not have the best relationship with George H. W. Bush,

649
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: who first senior yeh senior it was, was President of

650
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: the United States, and during that time when when Bush

651
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: was running for president, the whole I Ran Contra affair

652
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: had broken open, and like a Nesta spiders, it was

653
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 1: just it was a terrible, terrible thing for people in politics,

654
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: and it was it really it destroyed a lot of careers.

655
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: One of the people that Rather when after was George

656
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: Bush Senior. And I understand this is two years after

657
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: the beating I've seen, and I had a hard time

658
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 1: trying to find an archive of all Dan Rather stories

659
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: that was easy to go through. But it's gonna say

660
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 1: that would be massive. Yes, it is a massive. Therefore,

661
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: nobody's really put it together, but even Dan Rather himself.

662
00:38:55,000 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: But he does, but it doesn't it's not that user friendly. Yeah,

663
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: But the point is he wasn't afraid to go after

664
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan and after George Bush Senior. And he seems

665
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: to have, according to this theory, really really peeved off

666
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: Senior to the point that George Bush Sr. Sent a

667
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: couple of guys after him to beat the crap out

668
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: of him. Seems leg Hey, you're you're a political figure,

669
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: you're the vice president of the country. You can do

670
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: whatever you want, according to this theory, And I'm not

671
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: gonna say that's true, but that's according to this theory caught.

672
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: And of course then they beat the crap out of him.

673
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: They say something that I don't even I can't even

674
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: draw a guess is what it means. But this of

675
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: course then prompts Dan Rather to do his failed ambush

676
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: on George Bush Senior in didn't work as so it

677
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 1: didn't for him. This for anybody who doesn't know, Bush

678
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: Senior was running for president, he was still the vice president,

679
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: and he agreed to go on CBS to do I

680
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: think it was about a nine or ten minute interview

681
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: with Dan Rather about his presidency. And immediately Dan swings

682
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: it back to the Iran contra affair. I'm not gonna

683
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: go into the whole thing. Watch it. It goes terribly.

684
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: Senior takes the reins away from Dan Rather and terris

685
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: him anew and runs the whole thing. I I actually started,

686
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: I was watching it on YouTube. I actually pulled up

687
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 1: another website just so I could look at something different,

688
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: so I didn't have to see George Bush Senior in

689
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: his terrible giant glasses and Dan Rather with the look

690
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: of the deer in the headlights because he was just

691
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: getting ripped apart. Yeah, but from then on, I mean

692
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: the family, he and the family have not gotten together

693
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: got along. Well, there's what is your the Killian documents.

694
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: This is what I think that that moment might have

695
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: been the beginning of Rather's downfall. It was the beginning

696
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: of the downwards that took almost twenty years. Well I

697
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: did a while, but but you know, he had a

698
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 1: his chance. He had his chance in two thousand four

699
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: when w was up for re election George June and

700
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: he has chance. He hoped to try to take him

701
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: down and make him lose that election, and he got

702
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: some obviously pathetically forged memos from this guy. So George

703
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: Bush Senior was the forty first president, yea junior was,

704
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: and yes, so go ahead because yeah, I I was

705
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: gonna explain it, but you're you you know this, yeah, exactly.

706
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 1: So he had this his this informant, his name was Killian.

707
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: I've leave and from Texas and he had a couple

708
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 1: of a couple of memos proportedly purportedly from Bush's Air

709
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: National Guard commander way back in like the sixties was

710
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: when he was in the text because he was getting

711
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: preferential treatment to stay in country and fly jets and

712
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: not go to Vietnam. In Bush's defense, he actually volunteered

713
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: to go to Vietnam. He did, but there was there

714
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: was a number of I read a huge article and

715
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: I can't remember what Texas magazine about quite a few

716
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: senators sons that didn't go, and they all ended up

717
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: in the same unit. And it was kind of I

718
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: think they called it the hot tub unit because it

719
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: was just it was an easy gig. You could do

720
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: whatever you want. You weren't actually going to go to war,

721
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: so who cared? Yeah, that would be kind of nice,

722
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: and of course, well the problem is the problem is,

723
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: of course, rather aired the story on CBS, it was wrong.

724
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 1: He did not do his due diligence. Turns out he didn't.

725
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: Somebody actually did a great gift on the Internet of doc.

726
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: They say it was typed up on a typewriter. But

727
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 1: when you take this doc and you take the scan

728
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: version of it, and then you superimpose on it Microsoft

729
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: Word Times New Roman fond inWORD on top, it's exactly identical.

730
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: Like somebody just photo copied something they printed out of

731
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 1: word four or five times to degrade it, and nobody

732
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: had CBS fact checked it. And that that's what that's

733
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: what got Rather kicked out on his Exactly. They had

734
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: they actually had people lined up who to authenticate the documents,

735
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: and it was just, you know, Rather was so beside

736
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: himself with with with eagerness to get this out there

737
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: that he didn't bother consulting with those people immediately. Um,

738
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: there was one of the viewer on the East Coast.

739
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: I saw them on sixty minutes and spott at the

740
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: Times new Roman format there fonds immediately and that's the

741
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: default font setting. Yeah, exactly, very anytime. If you look

742
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: at where, you know exactly what we're talking about, the

743
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: same spacing, same everything. Yeah, And hilariously enough is his

744
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: his producer who got fired for this. Her name was

745
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: Mary Maybe's and Mary Maples. It was Maples. Her last

746
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: name is Maples. I thought it was Map's just m Aps.

747
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: It could be maybe anybody's sure it's not, but but anyway,

748
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: she uh. She published a book afterwards, claiming that there

749
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: had been a big conspiracy at the heart of the

750
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: whole thing because this guy posted on the East Coast

751
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: to a website called pre Republic. Well, their servers are

752
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: in California, or at least they were then, and so

753
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: when he posted this right after sixty minutes went off

754
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: the air, but of course it was time stepped with

755
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: the time stamped with the California time, so it actually

756
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 1: appeared that he posted this before sixty minutes it even aired.

757
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: So therefore thereby was born a big conspiracy. Yeah, now

758
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: it's beating us. Um, yeah, well they're there's all kinds

759
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: of political ramblings, and we don't need to go into

760
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: those political ramblings because I mean, we all have our

761
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: own unique use and that's perfectly fine. The point is,

762
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: rather in the Bushes didn't get along, and somehow George H. W.

763
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: Bush was behind the beating the Dan rather God for

764
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 1: unknown offense. That's the theory. But the theory it's wrong. Well,

765
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 1: it's better than the time Traveler twelve monkey theory. It's not.

766
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: There's actually yes, it is. You are so many foul

767
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: words want to come out right now. No, it is

768
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: way better than No. I don't know. There's one more

769
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: theory that we should discuss. One more thing about the

770
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: Bush theory though, was I think if they had really

771
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: wanted to do to give him a pounding, they would

772
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: have done it right. They would have. They would have

773
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: pulled him into a into a taxi and take them

774
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: out into a field somewhere and kick the lid and

775
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: crap out of them. Yeah, they would about that would

776
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: have given him a really good beating. Well, but the

777
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: idea could have been, let's get him beat up in

778
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: public and make him look like a fool, to tarnish

779
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: his his not his credibility, but his image. Oh wait,

780
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: you're the big man behind the cant or in front

781
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: of the camera, but you can't defend yourself when you're

782
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: walking down the sidewalk. That's that's just as plausible. But

783
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: we've we've belabored that enough. I think Devin has one more.

784
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: There's another theory. There's one more. It is that William

785
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: or Bill Tigger was a crazy person could have been

786
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: attacked Dan rather because he thought he was monitoring him. Yeah. Actually,

787
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: you know what, there's a lot of support for this. Actually, well, yeah,

788
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: it's actually not at all unusual for mentally ill people

789
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: to assault other people of New York, especially high profile

790
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: ones that they see on the TV. Yeah. So it

791
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: turns out the reason that Bill Tagger tried to walk

792
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: into the Today Show with a rifle is because he

793
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: thought he needed the rifle to defend himself, because he

794
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: thought that the people from the TV were monitoring him,

795
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: including bugging his car, and that they had been watching

796
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: him for a number of years, and that he I

797
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: don't know why he thought he would go there and

798
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: defend himself, but that was the That was the story

799
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: that he told. He said he took the rifle because

800
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: he thought he needed to defend himself. Didn't you say

801
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: also that they were beaming messages in the head. Yes,

802
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: he also said that he had information that they wanted.

803
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: He was going there because he had the information they

804
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: wanted and they were requesting his presence or some something

805
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: to that, so he had to take the rifle to

806
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: defend himself while he was there with them. Well, but

807
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: did you did you guys read that? He also he

808
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: was so sure they were bugging the news media in

809
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: general is what he's talking about. In general, we're bugging

810
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: every thing in his life, to the point that he

811
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: went out and rented rented a car. He didn't take

812
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: his own car. He rented a car so that the

813
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: bug couldn't be in it. He was I think he

814
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: genuinely did think this. I don't I don't there's a

815
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: lot of support. I think that he was sadly, sadly

816
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: had some serious issues going on. And he said, and

817
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: you know, when he was arrested and sentenced and he

818
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: spent his time in jail and sing sing the all

819
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: the documents from there say, you know, he says he

820
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: drunk socially, that he you know, smoked pot every once

821
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: in a while, but he wasn't you know, he didn't

822
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: have a problem with alcohol, wasn't a yeah, he wasn't

823
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: an addict. Was just crazy. He was just crazy. I mean,

824
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: is there's no was He's still um. But the that

825
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: kind of does make sense for why he might try

826
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: to beat Dan rather up if he thought that the

827
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: news media was bugging him or following him, if he

828
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: just happened to see somebody who he thought legitimately was

829
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: monitoring his life walking on the street by happenstance or not,

830
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: he would try to defend himself from that person and

831
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: go and attack that person and start beating him up.

832
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: Why he would be yelling something even remotely like what's

833
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: the frequency, Kenneth, I don't know, but hey, I have

834
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: so I have two things to say on that. One

835
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: what's the frequency. Kenneth may again, Rather may not know

836
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 1: what was said and misremembered, or Tagger may have been

837
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: in an altered state, not drug or alcohol induced, just

838
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: an altered state. So what he thought he was saying

839
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: didn't come out what Rather heard, and so rather than

840
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: did his best to interpret it. But I've read the

841
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: same court docs that you have. You know who's not

842
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: ever mentioned in those court documents and rather the second man?

843
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: You know, it's the man of the grassy knoll. The

844
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: second man is never mentioned. Suddenly Taggers taking all responsibility

845
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: or actually I don't even think he's taking responsibility because

846
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: he's not admitting guilt. He's just saying, these are the

847
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: things I did, and this is what the problem. He

848
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: didn't talk about the rather and he never talks about

849
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Speaker 1: so he wouldn't he wouldn't raise the whole second man exactly.

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Speaker 1: But all we have is his psych psychiatrist, is it psychiatrist,

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Speaker 1: a psychologist, psycho psychiatrist, his psychiatrists information about this, about

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Speaker 1: this whole thing. So that to me is like, well,

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Speaker 1: what happened the second dude? And if he's been so

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Speaker 1: open about what he did, why is he not admitting

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Speaker 1: to just wailing on Dan Rather. Yeah, and also like,

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Speaker 1: where do you find a second man who's like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the news media is totally monitoring your whole life. You

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Speaker 1: should definitely go beat up Dan Rather. You know that

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Speaker 1: guy that guys probably from the Bush family, they him

860
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Speaker 1: after them. This guy, this guy knows the neighborhood that

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Speaker 1: that Rather lives in, you know, and he finds this random,

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Speaker 1: crazy guy who's who thinks the media is like doing

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Speaker 1: all this stuff to him. And this guy's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I kind't think you're right, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think you need to go on the offensive. And hey,

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Speaker 1: look over there, it's Dan Rather. Yeah. No, I mean

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Speaker 1: I think, um, I don't know, I don't I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that that's the right one either. But

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Speaker 1: I also I do want to point out this is

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Speaker 1: New York City in the eighties, the mid eighties, before

871
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Speaker 1: they cleaned their active New York was a rough town.

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Speaker 1: Lots of crazies running around, lots of lots of folks

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Speaker 1: were around, not the safest place to be, And it

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Speaker 1: is possible. I mean, we talked about this before. It's

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Speaker 1: just a random attack. It's I've seen I hate to

876
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Speaker 1: admit this, but I've seen this happen on the streets

877
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Speaker 1: of Portland, where one person jumps up and starts chasing

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Speaker 1: after another to do them harm, and the second, or

879
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Speaker 1: I guess it would be a third person hops up

880
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Speaker 1: and chases along to see what's going on and suddenly

881
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Speaker 1: see's a shot two or an opening to get a

882
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Speaker 1: shot in and suddenly becomes a three person fight. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that could very well be what we're doing, which

884
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Speaker 1: is our very one of our very first theories. It's

885
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Speaker 1: not not a nice town at that time. Now, it

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Speaker 1: might be that Dan made up the second guy because

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Speaker 1: he didn't want to admit he gotten his butt kicked

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Speaker 1: by a single crazy guy, but a single But also

889
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Speaker 1: it's possible that you know, he saw he did see

890
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Speaker 1: because he got punched from behind, went down, saw that

892
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Speaker 1: there was somebody else standing there, got up, ran away

893
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: there this person was chasing him and started beating him

894
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895
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896
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Speaker 1: basically pulling a nell Sin from the Simpsons, pointing and

897
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Speaker 1: laughing or not even I mean or just saying well,

898
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Speaker 1: I really don't want to get involved with that. By

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Speaker 1: WHOA did that really happen? Well? I thank god they

900
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Speaker 1: ran away. Yeah, you know, I think that Dan Rather.

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Speaker 1: Dan Rather was an experienced journalists, and like all experienced journalists,

902
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Speaker 1: he gets almost everything wrong. That's probably that, you know, basically,

903
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Speaker 1: why this whole thing is always possible doesn't make any

904
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Speaker 1: sense at all. Yeah. Yeah, well with that unsatisfactory ending,

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Speaker 1: I thought you said this was not unsolvable, Devon, It's

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908
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Speaker 1: all having been said, since we have nothing else to

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