Speaker 1: Well I have you, Kylie, look like I got anything
Speaker 1: going on my neck?
Speaker 2: Where are you? For real? Because I can't. All I
Speaker 2: see is and you don't understand. It's like I get
Speaker 2: this all the time, so I can't even tell you're
Speaker 2: joking or not.
Speaker 1: But no part of me I do this with anybody.
Speaker 1: Even for the second I meet a doctor I have
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, my instinct is to annoy the funk
Speaker 1: out of them.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh man, can you check this out?
Speaker 1: Is this?
Speaker 2: I don't I don't mind when people ask me questions
Speaker 2: medical questions. What what drives me crazy is they'll ask
Speaker 2: me a question and I'll be like, yeah, I think
Speaker 2: that is something you need to go get taken care
Speaker 2: of them. They'll be like, no, I don't want to
Speaker 2: have to disagree with you on that one.
Speaker 1: I was asking you to calm me down, and usually
Speaker 1: I do the doctor mole should be removed, you know.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to say that it's like no, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that. No, no, no. I
Speaker 2: on the kind of guy.
Speaker 3: Likes to roll the dice cave, So, uh, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and say that's just like your opinion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like your medical that's just like your medical opinion, man.
Speaker 3: And you are my fifth opinion on this one. Every
Speaker 3: medical opinion has said the same.
Speaker 1: All right, are you talking to my other doctor too?
Speaker 1: You guys fuck with me right now.
Speaker 2: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three, forty seven,
Speaker 2: episode two of Daly's Say production of iHeart Radio.
Speaker 1: This is a.
Speaker 2: Podcast where you take a deep guy into American share consciousness.
Speaker 2: And it is Tuesday, July sixteenth, twenty twenty four. July sixteenth,
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 1: We're doing when dude?
Speaker 2: That happens literally just June twenty seventh, the last time
Speaker 2: I screamed.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know the debate was about
Speaker 1: to happen. Well, a black void.
Speaker 2: When I'm not record actively recording to this podcast, I
Speaker 2: just disappear into a black void. It's like, uh, what's
Speaker 2: the Adam Scott show? Oh yeah, It's like I just
Speaker 2: go away, So there you go. I don't know where
Speaker 2: I've been breath the whole time. It's good to be back.
Speaker 1: Oh well, if your skin looks remarkably good for holding
Speaker 1: your breath that long, I gotta say. But July sixteenth
Speaker 1: is corn Fritter's Day, So there's that also for those
Speaker 1: of you that can afford one National Personal Chef Day,
Speaker 1: and also shout out the personal chefs too for you know,
Speaker 1: just doing what you do, being out here making this
Speaker 1: making those nice meals. Every time I hear about like
Speaker 1: there's so many tiktoks where it's like the day and
Speaker 1: life of a personal chef and it it's like I'm
Speaker 1: was like, Damn, I wish I cooked better, because they
Speaker 1: just seem like they're chilling but also serving the most
Speaker 1: annoying people like this dude, they serve no but they'll
Speaker 1: be like they're like doing Personal Chef weekend for an
Speaker 1: influencer retreat in Joshua Tree and then it's like everyone's
Speaker 1: super HEALTHCN just so they're just eating chia seeds with
Speaker 1: salsa on top. It's like that kind of ship.
Speaker 3: I cook for someone whose name runs with Sister Meast,
Speaker 3: and he's pretty good. I was hanging out with nine
Speaker 3: and eleven year old cousins and Sister Meast kind of a.
Speaker 2: Big deal with them.
Speaker 1: That took me a while. Yeah, the first second, I
Speaker 1: took me town like sister like sissy spaces.
Speaker 3: You know, they swear to God that his chocolate bar
Speaker 3: is better than anyone's chocolate bar.
Speaker 1: That is straight up marketing. I had that ship because
Speaker 1: I remember they were handing him out like and I
Speaker 1: was like, this is like it feels like, you know,
Speaker 1: like Fundraiser chocolate.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, that's what it tastes like, Oh,
Speaker 2: Fundraiser chocolates.
Speaker 1: Good Fundraiser chocolate. No, but I mean like it's fine,
Speaker 1: but it's not like, you know, it's slightly different.
Speaker 2: Than the name brand ship. Yeah what I mean? You know,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Like, now that you mentioned Fundraiser chocolate,
Speaker 2: I'm back on board with the mister Beat.
Speaker 3: I gotta try that. I'm gonna I'm gonna do an experiment.
Speaker 3: We'll see what our guest thinks about this idea. Only
Speaker 3: mister Beast endorsed calories for a week. Yeah, supersize me,
Speaker 3: mister Beast, me.
Speaker 2: My new experiment. Anyways, my name is Jack O'Brien AKA.
Speaker 2: Now some of y'all might know this, and some of
Speaker 2: y'all don't. Some of y'all use washcloths and some of
Speaker 2: y'all don't. But if not, you're jerking off with soap.
Speaker 2: Nana Nan nan that one. Courtesy of JD. Salad Bar
Speaker 2: a little throwback to UH before I left for a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks. JD.
Speaker 3: Salad bar on the discord in reference to the time
Speaker 3: when a fellow basketball camper I told him I don't
Speaker 3: use a washcloth.
Speaker 2: I just apply soap with my bare hand, because I'm
Speaker 2: white and we are a broken people. And he said,
Speaker 2: in a room full of adolescent boys, he responded, so
Speaker 2: when you wash your dick, do you just jack off?
Speaker 2: And rather than being like yeah, man, it feels good,
Speaker 2: like yeah, like that's actually a good thing about what
Speaker 2: I do, my inner Catholic guilt got me and I
Speaker 2: was just like, no, I don't wash my dick. Why
Speaker 2: you Why couldn't you jerk off with a washcloth? Though
Speaker 2: I feel like you still could jerk off? Yeah, it
Speaker 2: could provided differences.
Speaker 4: Oh man.
Speaker 2: They were like, I don't see the problem so hard though,
Speaker 2: like all things that should have occurred to me, But
Speaker 2: I just didn't caught you off guard.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyways, jerking off with soap, Dan, that was supposed
Speaker 3: to be letting me clear.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, if that was no, was my baby? I
Speaker 2: hope you don't mind. Anyways, I'm throwed to be joined
Speaker 2: as always by my co host, mister Miles Gray.
Speaker 1: Miles Gray, AKA, I've got coving and eyes.
Speaker 2: In of that history that I can't disguise. I've got covement.
Speaker 1: Let's keep my jerking between you and all right, shout
Speaker 1: out to Blake Rogers on the discord because I was
Speaker 1: We mentioned Covenant Eyes again last week, and it's funny,
Speaker 1: I said, I was actually singing to the tune of
Speaker 1: Betty Davis Eyes, but you heard Covenant Eyes when I said.
Speaker 2: You've got Covenant eyes.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so shout out to that. But also if someone's
Speaker 1: got a Betty Davis eyes, Covenant eyes aka.
Speaker 2: One hungry eye won Betty Davis Eye, That's why I
Speaker 2: look so weird? Is hungry Eyes? Patrick Swayzey or she's
Speaker 2: like the Wind? Was Patrick one of the one of
Speaker 2: the songs.
Speaker 1: I don't know, she's like the Wind?
Speaker 2: Ok?
Speaker 1: Pretty sure?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure? And then hungry she's hungry eyes too.
Speaker 1: Wait what's her name, Jennifer Jennifer Gray?
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, yea. Anyways, we know whose eyes were hungry,
Speaker 2: we just don't know who was singing it. Miles, We
Speaker 2: are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by
Speaker 2: a physician, a musician, and a podcast stitiondition you know,
Speaker 2: go with that.
Speaker 3: The host of the very fun, incredibly informative podcast House
Speaker 3: of pot it's doctor cave Holder.
Speaker 1: Wow, thank you. This is I have to say. I
Speaker 1: feel like I want to contest and I'm to be
Speaker 1: on the show.
Speaker 2: So thank you, And I feel i have to say
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that I'm on your show on one of
Speaker 2: the biggest news weeks of the year.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry that it's me. So sorry. Nothing happened.
Speaker 1: We got that out of the way and we knocked
Speaker 1: that shit out yesterday.
Speaker 4: All good.
Speaker 2: We are good here. Yeah, mobility issues, things like that.
Speaker 2: But just to be clear, yeah, you should feel as
Speaker 2: a expert physician and a great podcast, so you should
Speaker 2: feel very grateful to be on our dumb podcast. That
Speaker 2: is entirely appropriate. Odd enough, because imposter syndrome is super okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: Up to that and not a real You guys are fantastic.
Speaker 1: You know what, I actually listen to your podcast.
Speaker 2: I bet you have a lot of guests they're too
Speaker 2: cool for school, and they come on and their podcasters
Speaker 2: and they're like, don't actually listen. I actually listened to
Speaker 2: so yeah, we listened to yours.
Speaker 1: So, doctor k.
Speaker 3: We have Christy Gucci Mane one of our favorites. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: your favorite listeners and guests of this podcast has been
Speaker 3: on your show multiple times. He has He is fun
Speaker 3: so funny.
Speaker 2: All right, Doctor Hoda, what's the comic coming? Confident comment?
Speaker 1: Come on, come on, dude.
Speaker 2: This is a physician too, and she makes me call
Speaker 2: her doctor O'Brien. So that's that sounds excite, spic your marriage?
Speaker 2: All right, it's my kink. What can I say?
Speaker 1: Always doctor, but it's not even the exam. It's just
Speaker 1: in a waiting room. Yeah, it's a doctor going to
Speaker 1: see me yet no, no, she's still refusing to see me,
Speaker 1: not answering my calls for weeks at a time.
Speaker 2: It makes you fill out forms when you come home.
Speaker 2: It's all paperwork business.
Speaker 1: Wait, oh, no, way, you lost the intake form again.
Speaker 1: I guess I'll fill it out here with board.
Speaker 2: Here I go.
Speaker 3: All right, very not exciting, COVID. We are going to
Speaker 3: get into some questions we have as medical idiots. Just generally,
Speaker 3: your show does a good job of just kind of
Speaker 3: addressing some of the myths, some of the things that
Speaker 3: people are ignoring that they should be paying maybe a
Speaker 3: little bit more attention to. But before we get to that,
Speaker 3: we do like to get to know our guests a
Speaker 3: little bit better by asking you, what is something from
Speaker 3: your search history that is revealing about who you are? Okay,
Speaker 3: so what I just I just released an episode of
Speaker 3: my podcast today and I was researching some stuff for
Speaker 3: and I was looking on a pretty deep dive into
Speaker 3: insulin and some of the products in your blood that
Speaker 3: can show you if you're getting insulin from the outside
Speaker 3: of your body, like you're injecting it, or if your
Speaker 3: body's making it.
Speaker 1: And the reason I was doing that.
Speaker 2: Is because we just did an episode a follow up.
Speaker 1: On Lucy let Be.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're familiar with her. She is
Speaker 2: the nurse in the UK that was convicted last year
Speaker 2: of murdering seven babies in a neo Ya intensive care unit.
Speaker 2: Yeah in this it was a yeah, crazy story. We
Speaker 2: covered it last year, but since that time there has
Speaker 2: been this there's been a rising you know, criticism of
Speaker 2: some of the defense that she had and whether or
Speaker 2: not they did a piss poor job or not, and
Speaker 2: whether or not there's a chance she could be innocent.
Speaker 2: So it's really kind of changed the game a little bit,
Speaker 2: and so we had to revisit some of the stuff,
Speaker 2: and one of the things was looking at insulin because
Speaker 2: if you get insulin from your own body, then you
Speaker 2: also have this thing called sea peptide that may show up.
Speaker 2: But if someone's injecting insulin into you and maybe too much,
Speaker 2: it can become harmful, especially to a little baby that
Speaker 2: may not need it, and that could be fatal to
Speaker 2: a really sick kid, and you won't get this thing
Speaker 2: called seapeptide in there. So it's something we check in
Speaker 2: the blood sometimes pretty rarely, but some of the case
Speaker 2: comes down to this question and whether or not that's
Speaker 2: a really youthful test or not. So I was going
Speaker 2: on a pretty deep dive to try and figure this
Speaker 2: out because it's a complicated question even for doctors and
Speaker 2: for people. I'm not endocrinologists or anything, but I think
Speaker 2: even in that world it can be challenging. So that's
Speaker 2: the latest thing on my my searcher, my search browser,
Speaker 2: and probably going to get me into trouble all the
Speaker 2: recent looking up I did of dead babies. But hopefully
Speaker 2: this show helps create an alibi there you go and
Speaker 2: that is what we are here for. So you're just
Speaker 2: like you're just solving medical mysteries like an episode of
Speaker 2: House over Here on a lar basis most accurate medical
Speaker 2: show around. I'm just kidding, what is the most sacarate?
Speaker 2: That's something that people always ask my wife, But she
Speaker 2: has her answer. What's your answer? I'm curious to know
Speaker 2: her answer. I think they're okay, there's no great show
Speaker 2: for it, because like an accurate depiction of medicine would
Speaker 2: be pretty boring. It would be like a group of
Speaker 2: doctors sitting in a room going over like charts and
Speaker 2: and like talking about like esoteric things and talking about
Speaker 2: electrolyte levels. It would be pretty boring. But I think
Speaker 2: the show that kind of gets like the pathos of
Speaker 2: medicine the best is Scrubs. So I think, like she says, yeah,
Speaker 2: Scrubs is I didn't know if it was because we
Speaker 2: were just watching it at the time, and also she
Speaker 2: was going to Scrubs like friends, we're just medical show.
Speaker 2: I don't know the NBA playoffs, do you know? Actually,
Speaker 2: who did a good job? This is gonna sound funny,
Speaker 2: but the show Lost. They covered a lot of medical
Speaker 2: topics in that show. It didn't really I thought pretty well,
Speaker 2: like crush injuries and illness and uh fiber, they all
Speaker 2: these little things come up in the show. I think
Speaker 2: they probably had a pretty good like medical advisor on
Speaker 2: that show.
Speaker 1: When Jack Shepherd said that woman was going to dance
Speaker 1: at her wedding, was that was that surgery possible?
Speaker 2: Because I feel like that was like the huge one.
Speaker 2: He's like, You're gonna dance at your wedding and then
Speaker 2: she remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I I I'm sure it probably isn't. But
Speaker 1: I mean, they're all kind of bad.
Speaker 2: But you're just mainly referring to the fact that, like
Speaker 2: you can with the right magical island cure somebody who's
Speaker 2: been paralyzed from the waist down. That's mainly what you're well,
Speaker 2: it's the one trick.
Speaker 1: Doctors don't want you to know exactly, simple trick.
Speaker 5: That is our only question for you when we get
Speaker 5: to the medical part is onelogists don't want you to
Speaker 5: know exactly.
Speaker 1: Other question. Uh dude, doctors use Google, Like if you're
Speaker 1: trying to responsibly like is there I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: there is it?
Speaker 2: Is it Google? Too? Yeah? Well, I'll tell you this doctors.
Speaker 2: I'll say it like this, doctors definitely look stuff up,
Speaker 2: and they should, Like I mean, for most of the
Speaker 2: stuff they're dealing with, they don't need to. But every
Speaker 2: now and then there is going to be something that
Speaker 2: comes across that they haven't encountered for a while that
Speaker 2: they need to like review or fresh or there's some
Speaker 2: sort of like lab test they need to review, and
Speaker 2: you want someone who's willing to do that. Of course,
Speaker 2: the major difference is doctors we have a sense of
Speaker 2: where to go to find the information. We're not usually
Speaker 2: using Google. We have like search engines that are specifically
Speaker 2: for doctors, and we actually have like paid sites like
Speaker 2: that we would go to that give us sort of
Speaker 2: breakdown of things that we pay for like a yearly
Speaker 2: subscription for that help us at least points in the
Speaker 2: right direction. So, yeah, if you see a doctor looking
Speaker 2: something up, don't freak out necessarily. If you see them
Speaker 2: looking it up from like epoch times, that could be
Speaker 2: a problem. Not be good.
Speaker 1: I'm using the right Yeah, yeah, yeah, the symptoms you
Speaker 1: could have, I don't know, I gotta just keep it.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Are you feeling like a character super Mario's I don't let.
Speaker 3: My doctor look anything up. I don't let them talk
Speaker 3: to another doctor because that's cheating. I make sure that
Speaker 3: they kissed Queen before they perform surgery. This is all
Speaker 3: about what you can do, no cheating. What is something
Speaker 3: you think is underrated?
Speaker 2: Okay? So I wanted to come up with an answer
Speaker 2: that I thought helped introduce your listeners to me in
Speaker 2: a good way. And it was either one of two things.
Speaker 2: Is either going to be San Francisco, the city in
Speaker 2: which I live. It's you know, very popular and people
Speaker 2: know about it obviously, but I think it's got a
Speaker 2: bad rap and it's gotten a bad narrative recently, which
Speaker 2: I think is super undeserved. And that or a Persian
Speaker 2: contributions to history, And that's probably the thing I'm a
Speaker 2: little bit more passionate about because it's like, when I
Speaker 2: was younger, Persian history was really written out of the books,
Speaker 2: like our contributions to the world and like, and only
Speaker 2: as I've gotten older, I've learned about things like beer.
Speaker 2: The first beer was discovered in the Zagros Mountains of Iran,
Speaker 2: like in three thousand to ten thousand BC. And you know,
Speaker 2: things like pajamas high heels, neurosurgery, the highway, the postal service,
Speaker 2: all this surgery. Yeah, I mean this we're talking about
Speaker 2: old school, like they found like skulls with like things
Speaker 2: like like holes. Yeah, but like the one that really
Speaker 2: was that will piss people off. And I'm not afraid
Speaker 2: to be controversial on your show. Here, I'm gonna say
Speaker 2: it the first pizza safe pizza because the Acmented Empire
Speaker 2: was the first people to create this. I say this
Speaker 2: hoping that your Italian listeners come at me. And what
Speaker 2: they did is they have a fire in the battlefield.
Speaker 2: They put like two like sticks in the they put
Speaker 2: a shield over it, and on top of the shield
Speaker 2: they'd be like some bread and they put like some
Speaker 2: cheese feat of cheese and dates and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So I mean it wasn't like you know, Tony's Neopolitan
Speaker 2: pizza or anything, but it was like the first concept
Speaker 2: of pizza was from there. Some evidence also that noodles
Speaker 2: came from Iran. I know, that's that's a tough one.
Speaker 1: I know. I want to give everyone moment with the
Speaker 1: paradigm up, you know, but these.
Speaker 2: Are things that we have been written out of history
Speaker 2: that are now coming to light. And people are starting
Speaker 2: to like study and realize. So that's that's something that
Speaker 2: I think is super underrated, is some of the stuff
Speaker 2: we've done other than like you know, grow beards and
Speaker 2: and you know, take over embassies. We've done, We've done
Speaker 2: other stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's funny because like I feel like in America, right,
Speaker 1: like I had Iranian friends growing up in LA and
Speaker 1: think they would away say like I'm Persian, I'm Persian.
Speaker 2: And I remember like in.
Speaker 1: Class like someone said it and like a teacher like
Speaker 1: they were they were basical saying like oh, Persia doesn't
Speaker 1: exist anymore, and you're like okay. But like in then
Speaker 1: history there was just no section for that. So like
Speaker 1: growing up, right, if it weren't from Iranian friends who
Speaker 1: were like very adamant about like their parents were like
Speaker 1: very like you know, they were all like if I
Speaker 1: had questions, like they would answer them. It's just using
Speaker 1: the shorthand sort of like I don't know, poor, it's
Speaker 1: like Prince of Persia the video game.
Speaker 2: That's that's what it is. Move on exactly right, Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: And it's funny because when while I was growing up,
Speaker 2: we used we would say Persian all the time because
Speaker 2: it was like safer.
Speaker 1: It's like a cat, right, a rug, something benign.
Speaker 2: And now I think more people are are like able
Speaker 2: to say I'm actually Iranian, right yeah, yeah, that's actually
Speaker 2: kind of nice. Yeah yeah. I was just talking on
Speaker 2: yesterday's episode about how I went to the Louver with
Speaker 2: my children and was like looking at all the ancient
Speaker 2: Assyrian artwork and it's so much better than fucking anything
Speaker 2: that would exist in the European world for like a
Speaker 2: thousand years.
Speaker 1: But they just it took some time. It takes a
Speaker 1: long time to get all those ideas of the place.
Speaker 1: You can just be like, oh, that's what I'm going
Speaker 1: to do now, that's.
Speaker 2: Ours, that's ours now yeah yeah yeah right.
Speaker 1: Oh that's quite literally. I mean like if you go
Speaker 1: to the History Museum in England, like in London, it's
Speaker 1: like like wall sculptures.
Speaker 2: And literally that this is ours. Okay, yeah, what is
Speaker 2: something you think is overrated? So again, sort of like
Speaker 2: to be on brand, I talk about this a lot. Supplements,
Speaker 2: So it's a huge, this huge industry. Yeah, yep, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you. Can I tell you something I have
Speaker 2: done episodes on like what's happening in Gaza. I've done
Speaker 2: episodes on abortion and gun control, and nothing has gotten
Speaker 2: me more hate than when I talk about the supplements.
Speaker 2: People lose their minds about when I talk about supplements,
Speaker 2: But I mean people believe in it in like a
Speaker 2: really strong way. But it's a huge industry, and for
Speaker 2: the most part, there's at best shaky evidence for some
Speaker 2: of it. Most people don't require them. All they really
Speaker 2: do for most people is give you expensive urine. And
Speaker 2: there's there's there's there are people who will need certain
Speaker 2: supplements for sure, like things like viamin B twelve for vegans, vegetarians,
Speaker 2: iron for some people, calcium, vitmin D. There's lots of
Speaker 2: things there are about usually not necessary. Okay, all right,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: Is someone we're getting we're getting questions from the chat
Speaker 1: colostrum is that, Okay, you don't need that. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's bottled yet, but if it is, you
Speaker 1: don't need it. Okay, okay, okay. So that's my thing.
Speaker 2: About like the supplements is that it drives me crazy.
Speaker 2: It's like the part of the thing about it, too
Speaker 2: is the same people that love taking them and promoting
Speaker 2: them and selling them are the same people who are
Speaker 2: telling you not to trust like the mainstream medical system. Sure,
Speaker 2: and they're like, well, I get. I get accused of
Speaker 2: being a big shill for pharma con because I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: vaccines are good, and they're like, you're a You're a
Speaker 2: pharmacy shill. And I'm like, what do you think is
Speaker 2: making these supplements? They're making money off of it. It's
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, it's that that's a thirty to
Speaker 2: fifty billion dollar industry. It's not like mom and pop stores.
Speaker 2: They're they're selling you this garbage. You know.
Speaker 1: It's so I get.
Speaker 2: I did get very upset about supplements sometimes again not
Speaker 2: they are useful for some people, but generally they're they're
Speaker 2: not something that people need.
Speaker 1: Okay, good, because I gotta I'm looking at the top
Speaker 1: supplements on Amazon and I'm curious.
Speaker 2: I'm leculator. I got a three thousand dollars a month
Speaker 2: supplement habit man, and it's keeping me alive. Let's just
Speaker 2: get your lead levels.
Speaker 1: A lot of collagen peptides.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, I mean, and that's why my skin looks
Speaker 2: so glassy, so dry, orderline translucent, when my dick looks
Speaker 2: so young.
Speaker 3: That one guy all right, Uh yeah, let's let's take
Speaker 3: a quick break and we'll keep talking about that and
Speaker 3: a lot of the weird disinformation that's going wrong.
Speaker 6: And we're back. We're back in cave.
Speaker 3: I feel like I've witnessed in my lifetime the kind
Speaker 3: of information ecosystem kind of go from you know, go
Speaker 3: to the doctor, listen to what they say, you.
Speaker 2: Know, maybe get a second opinion. I don't know to
Speaker 2: It feels like we have regressed to the world of
Speaker 2: like snake oil out of covered wagons. It does like
Speaker 2: I remember reading the origin stories like of Coca Cola
Speaker 2: and doctor Pepper, and I was like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: where we're going. It's like when those things were sold
Speaker 2: as like health tonics to help with your healthy nerves
Speaker 2: and shit like that. But it feels like it's a
Speaker 2: mess out there to me too. Yeah, yeah, you're not wrong,
Speaker 2: You're not wrong. It's it's terrible. Yeah, Like, how do
Speaker 2: you navigate it? How do you like? Are there tips
Speaker 2: that you give to people for developing literacy in the
Speaker 2: age of like medical drifting, Yeah, for sure, I mean
Speaker 2: I think the first thing. And people are much savvier
Speaker 2: these days. Younger generations are much savvier than older ones,
Speaker 2: but just keep an eye out for where it's coming from.
Speaker 2: Is it, you know, is the information you're reading about.
Speaker 2: Is it coming from like Mayo or some university or
Speaker 2: something that you a medical center you've heard of, or
Speaker 2: is it coming from like the Hindustan Times or business Insider.
Speaker 2: You know, keep your eye out for where it's coming from.
Speaker 2: Like there's obviously clickbait everywhere around health and that it's
Speaker 2: a big part of it. And then you know there
Speaker 2: are there are certain anyone's trying to any medical professionals
Speaker 2: trying to sell you something I'm wary of frankly, and
Speaker 2: like anytime someone tries to sell something that has the
Speaker 2: word detox, cleanses ancient in it are key words that
Speaker 2: I that I really make my butthole clinch up, and
Speaker 2: nine nine percent of time it's bullshit. The cleanses health
Speaker 2: that your butthole can clench up like that you want
Speaker 2: it's strong. Yeah, but you do have a doctor wife,
Speaker 2: so you know your your liver and your kidneys are
Speaker 2: going to help you detox everything you need to detox. Right,
Speaker 2: if there is something that your liver and your kidneys
Speaker 2: cannot get out of your body, then some essential oil
Speaker 2: that an influencer on TikTok is trying to sell you
Speaker 2: isn't going to work. Either you need like, you know,
Speaker 2: hemodialysis or something much more like important. So like, don't
Speaker 2: worry if you're treating your liver and your kidney's okay,
Speaker 2: you don't need detox and the detoxes that you get
Speaker 2: aren't gonna work. These things that they sell you to
Speaker 2: cleanse your body of whatever illness you have or whatever
Speaker 2: one particular thing that's that's usually not gonna work. Also,
Speaker 2: be wary of medical professionals or health influencers who try
Speaker 2: to like moralize certain foods or like, ah, this one
Speaker 2: berry is bad, this berry is good, tomatoes are bad.
Speaker 2: These things I mean, like it's you make it sounds shady,
Speaker 2: It sounds sinister, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: You have to be really.
Speaker 2: Cautious about those things. I mean, be very cautious of
Speaker 2: anyone who seems overly confident about things. I mean, again,
Speaker 2: the reason my show will never be that big other
Speaker 2: than the fact I'm no good is that I don't.
Speaker 2: You have to have like a certain amount of like
Speaker 2: hutzba to like say, like it to be a Cuberman
Speaker 2: level balls to just have confidence about things you should
Speaker 2: not have confidence about, and some things that you just
Speaker 2: we just don't know, especially things that are like new,
Speaker 2: like when COVID first came out, people would come out
Speaker 2: and speak definitively on it. I mean that's how would
Speaker 2: you know. No one knows it's new, you know. But
Speaker 2: but that's what people want to hear. Not like people,
Speaker 2: they want to hear a doctor tell them this is
Speaker 2: the one thing you need to do. If you do
Speaker 2: this one thing, you're good. But but usually we can't
Speaker 2: do that. That's bullshit. I mean, there is a certain
Speaker 2: level of uncertainty in all medicine, and you know, never
Speaker 2: more so than than now. You know, there's lots of uncertainty,
Speaker 2: and you have to be comfortable with that to some degree.
Speaker 1: You have to to know that.
Speaker 2: And if someone seems like over the confident and try
Speaker 2: to sell you one thing, you should be a little
Speaker 2: be cautious at least because I feel like it's so
Speaker 2: confident and have won seven championships like Tom Brady, does
Speaker 2: that then make it so I can trust his nutritional device?
Speaker 2: Sorry advice? Sorry you got yeah, okay, good, all right?
Speaker 1: I just wanted yeah, just wanted to level set with you.
Speaker 2: So TB twelve, TB twelve the only doctor I trust,
Speaker 2: doctor Tom terrific.
Speaker 1: Well, because I think part of it, right, like, especially
Speaker 1: with being susceptible to medical information. A there's the thing
Speaker 1: that's like, well, I can't afford to see a doctor.
Speaker 1: A lot of people are like or it's extremely difficult
Speaker 1: with a schedule to even find the time to see
Speaker 1: a doctor. That's not the case for everyone. But I
Speaker 1: think also as there is like more information, like everything
Speaker 1: has been offered to us in this way with like
Speaker 1: you know, since the Internet of like yeah, man, just
Speaker 1: do this thing to you want to learn how to
Speaker 1: fold a shirt, just do this thing. You want to
Speaker 1: learn how to boil the perfect egg, just do this thing.
Speaker 1: You have lymphatic issues, just do this one thing, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like we're so used to even
Speaker 1: reducing complex medical things like oh man, it's that you
Speaker 1: just you don't got enough this. And I think that's
Speaker 1: partially like the opportunism of like the influencer industry coming up,
Speaker 1: because now people are incentivized to be able to be
Speaker 1: like and let me just again this one simple trick.
Speaker 1: Doctors don't want you to know, like we've one simple
Speaker 1: trick our way down to like complex issues, and now
Speaker 1: some people like, well, like you know, I've I'm acquainted
Speaker 1: with people who will absolutely not see doctors and are
Speaker 1: convinced that they the information they need is available in
Speaker 1: community groups on Facebook or online and things like that,
Speaker 1: and that's how some people live. Because I think there's
Speaker 1: just also this, like to your point when we were
Speaker 1: just joking earlier, when someone asks you, like, what does
Speaker 1: this thing look like? And you give them your honest
Speaker 1: opinion as a physician, and they're like, well, I didn't
Speaker 1: want to hear that. It's like, we want to hear
Speaker 1: that it's just Oh I just wasn't eating enough chick piece,
Speaker 1: or it's like, oh I'm sleeping the wrong way, and
Speaker 1: because I don't want to maybe grapple the fact that
Speaker 1: maybe there's something more complex happening. Yeah, it's totally true.
Speaker 2: And every time there is any sort of vacuum with
Speaker 2: medical understanding of knowledge, it gets filled with these grifters.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's part of the reason I do this
Speaker 2: whole show. I want to make like medicine accessible, want
Speaker 2: people to be able to like feel comfortable with things
Speaker 2: with doctors talking. So they don't have to like go
Speaker 2: find random like TikTok advice on you know, sunning their buttoles,
Speaker 2: like I want. I want them to have sources that
Speaker 2: they can get without like having to always see a
Speaker 2: doctor's things that should be available. That's a lot of
Speaker 2: that's on us as doctors, like we have to be
Speaker 2: doing that, and it's hard because we're not. Like again,
Speaker 2: if you're gonna be like a social media doctor and
Speaker 2: have a presence, it's hard to build like a following
Speaker 2: without being a piece of shit. You kind of have
Speaker 2: to like sell yourself a little bit, and that's hard
Speaker 2: to do. Like I mean, I'm sure the ads I
Speaker 2: play on my podcast are like ninety percent dick pills
Speaker 2: and like mental health apps that I don't necessarily agree with,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And I have to sort
Speaker 2: of grapple with that myself. That's that's tough. But you're
Speaker 2: not voicing them. I'm definitely not. I'm definitely number one
Speaker 2: dick well for me. Yeah, yeah, exactly right. I mean,
Speaker 2: if they pay me enough, fuck it, I will sell
Speaker 2: out minute. But like, no, it's that's it's something we
Speaker 2: as in the medical profession have to be better about.
Speaker 2: That's why we need more people doing you know, this
Speaker 2: sort of thing going on, like you know, podcast like
Speaker 2: You're own.
Speaker 1: But also buy our dicktills, buy er dicktyls. They were, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeahs are great.
Speaker 2: Our dick pills are Somebody somebody recently told me a story.
Speaker 2: They were like, I just heard this like crazy story
Speaker 2: where this person was taking like the supplement like supplements
Speaker 2: for their sexual energy and then like it like broke.
Speaker 3: Open and there was viagra inside. And I was like,
Speaker 3: that's not a true story because there wouldn't be actual
Speaker 3: active ingredients in that supplement.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: That story is actually way too good to be true
Speaker 3: for the So what are the things that you like,
Speaker 3: you know that are actually impacting our health negatively that
Speaker 3: like don't get enough attention, Like it's not our lack.
Speaker 2: Of essential oils that we can put on a rag
Speaker 2: and like huff like ether or either it's just.
Speaker 1: Dowsing a rag in right, Oh yeah, Because like to
Speaker 1: your point, Jack, you're saying, like we live in this
Speaker 1: thing where it's like again it's not about Health's like,
Speaker 1: well you need this thing because like I feel like
Speaker 1: so much as framed.
Speaker 4: Was like we don't, we don't live like our ancestors
Speaker 4: did and now in this modern world, that's that's why
Speaker 4: you need to be dabbing oil of clove on your
Speaker 4: throat every.
Speaker 1: Day or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when they will go the opposite route and they'll
Speaker 2: say like, this is what our ancient ancestors did and
Speaker 2: this is why you should do this, and it's also bullshit, right,
Speaker 2: Like they'll use the same like selling tool in a
Speaker 2: different way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess just to simplify it, is it because
Speaker 1: we aren't you know, is this sort of rhetoric sort
Speaker 1: of working on people because on some level we aren't
Speaker 1: getting things we need or it's completely just missing the
Speaker 1: point and we're just so used to being like, oh,
Speaker 1: I need to buy this new product when there are
Speaker 1: actual ways that, like the modern era has affected our
Speaker 1: health negatively that we're just completely ignoring, are just paying
Speaker 1: little attention to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good question. Yeah, I mean listen
Speaker 2: for a living. A big part of what I do
Speaker 2: is look into American colons and I can tell you
Speaker 2: that we are lacking in certain things like fiber, We
Speaker 2: could do a lot. Our diets are not awesome, and
Speaker 2: it's something that you know, I would love to discuss
Speaker 2: in more depth and detail. But it's a long process,
Speaker 2: so I mean it needs to say. I'll say, American
Speaker 2: diets not great loan fiber. It's high in processed foods
Speaker 2: and high in sugar and high in processed meats. And
Speaker 2: these are things that I think are important and we
Speaker 2: should be wary of, and we should try to have
Speaker 2: better diets. We should try to eat better, more plants,
Speaker 2: less red meat, less processed meat, less sugars. In general.
Speaker 2: These are things that I agree with, you know, Mediterranean diet,
Speaker 2: plant based diet. I think these are good options. But
Speaker 2: for most people who are eating a.
Speaker 1: Well balanced diet, if it's not perfect, they're still going
Speaker 1: to get most of the things they need, most of them.
Speaker 1: Will we could do better. I certainly think we can
Speaker 1: do better in general in the United States, And you know,
Speaker 1: we talk about this. Have you heard of blue zones Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: where people still increase like lifespans or yeah, higher than
Speaker 1: average lifespan. That's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Part of it is diet.
Speaker 2: Part of it is the way they get around and exercise,
Speaker 2: and not necessarily the same typical ways we think of exercise,
Speaker 2: but the way that people live there and diet's a
Speaker 2: part of that, So I mean, I think there is
Speaker 2: something to that. I also don't want people hyper focused
Speaker 2: on everything they eat. I don't think that's healthy either.
Speaker 2: So for me, in terms of things that are really
Speaker 2: like concerning now that have changed a little bit because
Speaker 2: diets have always been bad, is rates of alcohol. Like
Speaker 2: I and I'm not saying people shouldn't drink. I enjoy
Speaker 2: you know, drinks in moderation, but since COVID, I have
Speaker 2: seen the rates of alcohol use go up from tremendously
Speaker 2: and I've seen younger and younger people in this country
Speaker 2: getting seriously sick with liver related injuries, alcohol related injuries
Speaker 2: because of it. So it's something I am growing concern for.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: People will come, I'll have experts come to my show
Speaker 2: and they'll be against all alcohol. I'm not comfortable with that.
Speaker 2: I still think that people can have it in moderation,
Speaker 2: and I think it's you know, I think it can
Speaker 2: be something that brings a lot of us joy. But
Speaker 2: I think we are developed, we have developed an unhealthy
Speaker 2: relationship with it in this country and it's only gotten
Speaker 2: a little bit worse. Like you know, you go to
Speaker 2: a you go to a movie, and like there's a
Speaker 2: sad scene in the movie, there's like, go get a drink.
Speaker 2: If there's something that happens, it's good, let's celebrate, Let's
Speaker 2: get a drink. You know. It's like it's a part
Speaker 2: of it's become a little too ingrained in the culture
Speaker 2: in a way that I don't think is healthy. And
Speaker 2: it's only gotten worse since COVID right.
Speaker 1: Now, that is true. Like the media, I've for sure
Speaker 1: informed my use of alcohol from like a very early age.
Speaker 1: Like I honestly thought, if I'm going through some shit,
Speaker 1: I need to drink alcohol to do. I don't know
Speaker 1: for what reason, but I was mimicking what I had
Speaker 1: seen over and over. It's like, oh, you're going through it, man,
Speaker 1: let's go get you know, go have some drinks or whatever.
Speaker 1: Or like you see someone who's like clearly like suffering
Speaker 1: with like some like you know, you watch a film
Speaker 1: without a soldier and like they clearly have PTSD and
Speaker 1: it's like but they drink through it, and like you
Speaker 1: sort of connect this thing where it's like that will
Speaker 1: somehow change things. And I remember when I had like
Speaker 1: one of my first moments of like emotional strife in
Speaker 1: like early adulthood, Like my first instinct was like, maybe
Speaker 1: I shouldn't drink a ton of alcohol without even knowing
Speaker 1: what the urge was. It was just more like I
Speaker 1: think that's what it is. Obviously, Yeah that it didn't
Speaker 1: last for long because I was just like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck am I doing? But it is true, like so
Speaker 1: many things are just sort of like like reflexive based
Speaker 1: on like what we see, you know, get a mirrored
Speaker 1: to us in the media constantly.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I think at some point it was like
Speaker 2: that with cigarettes. But then like because there's enough of
Speaker 2: because they look cool, and you're like, oh, you learned
Speaker 2: in the movies. You're like if you smoke cigarettes, like
Speaker 2: it's a sign of like cool, you do it after sex,
Speaker 2: you do it, like if you're a tough guy out
Speaker 2: you're it's it's got like this. You had this allure
Speaker 2: that was sold to us by Hollywood. At some point
Speaker 2: there was enough pushback on that that like that's changed.
Speaker 2: You don't see that happen in movies as much anymore.
Speaker 2: It's not that many people who smoke, but the alcohol thing.
Speaker 2: And again I'm not like saying I'm not like saying
Speaker 2: everyone should be abstinate from alcohol. But the alcohol thing
Speaker 2: is something I think we have to be a little
Speaker 2: more mindful of in this country now. And of course
Speaker 2: I am a liver doctor as well, so it is,
Speaker 2: it is, it is, you know the thing I'm seeing
Speaker 2: a lot. So you're bias. You're admitting your bias. Amo
Speaker 2: pro liver anti for big liver, big liver. That's what happens.
Speaker 2: He does work for big liver. Where it's on big liver.
Speaker 2: It does feel like that is.
Speaker 3: The one thing that doctors and the wellness people seem
Speaker 3: to be aligned on. Maybe not the one, but like
Speaker 3: wellness people seem to be on board with, like, no, yeah,
Speaker 3: drinking not.
Speaker 2: Good for you. Do you know do you know why that?
Speaker 2: Because here's the thing is, like for most people who
Speaker 2: are drinking too much, if they stopped for a while,
Speaker 2: they feel better, so much better. If that's part of
Speaker 2: like your routine. Yeah, and you're like, you do my
Speaker 2: twelve step routine to health and you do that one
Speaker 2: step and that was a problem for you. If you
Speaker 2: drink too much, you're gonna be like, yeah, I feel better.
Speaker 2: This person knows what they're talking about. Shit, yeah right right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: these berries are telling me to eat really are good,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah that was step one and you give
Speaker 2: the credit to the other eleven steps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, exactly, berries for sure, cyeballs. Holy shit, just
Speaker 1: so like I hear so much like I'm trying, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to be more conscious about my health and I'm
Speaker 1: eating more like I have like vegetarian lunch now to
Speaker 1: try and cut out meat at least one meal a
Speaker 1: half a day is like mostly plant based. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: the fiber thing for you, I just want to rub that,
Speaker 1: rub that in your face.
Speaker 2: So I just wanted to let you guys know that
Speaker 2: and moving on.
Speaker 1: So you know I'm doing that. So I'm gonna lift
Speaker 1: to three thousand, Jack, Why don't you wipe that McDonald's
Speaker 1: cheese paper off your face?
Speaker 2: You just dave for lunch in front of us.
Speaker 1: But like in part of that, right, it's like part
Speaker 1: of me is always hearing like you got it, Like
Speaker 1: lagoons are so good, fiber is so good. All these
Speaker 1: other vets, like your cruciferous vegetables are great can. But
Speaker 1: all I know is they're great can. Like for me,
Speaker 1: as a child of the eighties and nineties, fiber was
Speaker 1: always like promote, like marketed as like, oh, you're not
Speaker 1: taking a ship, you need fiber, and it was most
Speaker 1: in my mind it's like, oh, you're constipated, that's why
Speaker 1: you need fiber, rather than like now looking at a
Speaker 1: little more holistically, like what what Like I'm ignorant? So
Speaker 1: can you please let me understand like what it is
Speaker 1: about having the fiber in there? That is what what
Speaker 1: the benefits of it that we're missing out on for
Speaker 1: those of us that aren't eating enough fiber.
Speaker 2: Okay, so well, there's a lot that it can do,
Speaker 2: and there's been studies that show it can help with cholesterol.
Speaker 2: But the major things that I think it helps with
Speaker 2: that I would share with you guys now. One in
Speaker 2: terms of like gut problems, it helps prevent issues.
Speaker 1: With your colon.
Speaker 2: Now, this may or may not be more information than
Speaker 2: your listeners need to know. I'm not someone who ever
Speaker 2: has paid attention to too much information, So I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give you as much information as I think you guys
Speaker 2: might want in the colon. If you're not having a
Speaker 2: high fiber diet, the colon is struggling really hard to
Speaker 2: move things through. When that happens, it puts a stress
Speaker 2: in your colon that can lead to things like diverticular disease.
Speaker 2: These little pouches that can form in the colon, those
Speaker 2: things can become inflamed, it can become infected. Sometimes they
Speaker 2: can bleed. Those things are a real problem for a
Speaker 2: lot of Americans. That's just one little small thing. Right then,
Speaker 2: in terms of like for an example of why it
Speaker 2: might help you beyond that, when I talk to people
Speaker 2: about sugar, I always warned them about processed sugar in particular,
Speaker 2: and I say, if you're gonna get sugar, always the
Speaker 2: best way to get it is through like fruits, because
Speaker 2: when it comes into fruit, it comes with fiber, and
Speaker 2: as you're ingesting that fiber, that slows down the release
Speaker 2: of the sugar. So you're not getting this big bowl
Speaker 2: list of sugar. And that's really where the problems come from.
Speaker 2: It breaks down the release of sugar over a long time.
Speaker 2: So these are just two of like many reasons why
Speaker 2: right it's better for Americans is to.
Speaker 1: Keep your colon from stressing and don't be like one
Speaker 1: of our favorite podcasters, the kid Marrow, who did get diverticulitis.
Speaker 1: I remember and he missed an episode and he said
Speaker 1: that He's.
Speaker 2: Like, guys, you got any fiber. He's like, you don't
Speaker 2: want this, you don't want this, and I want this? No, no,
Speaker 2: So it sounds uncomfortable. I don't want pockets and my colon.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but it's okay. If what about like just
Speaker 2: a bunch of fiber one and then the sugar is
Speaker 2: coming from basic fruit and that it's a sugar cane plant.
Speaker 2: So what about just like fiber one with just like
Speaker 2: a bunch of sugar on it.
Speaker 1: That's probably you mean, like there's not oring sugar on it?
Speaker 2: Do you need Do you need the sugar?
Speaker 1: You need the sugar? What is the.
Speaker 2: I'm just taking down the wine from just carving off
Speaker 2: lines of powdered fugar.
Speaker 1: Doctor said, you don't want to eat this stuff, man,
Speaker 1: you don't want.
Speaker 2: To eat it.
Speaker 1: So's you mean?
Speaker 2: But but in general, if you're if you if you
Speaker 2: have a more plant based diet, which is good for
Speaker 2: a lot offerent reasons, you're you're filling yourself with you know,
Speaker 2: foods that aren't you processed meats in general, like they're
Speaker 2: gonna you're gonna get the fiber you need. Now, some
Speaker 2: people are gonna need supplemental fiber like you know, metamuciles, citruscel,
Speaker 2: et cetera. But you don't necessarily need that if you're
Speaker 2: eating a well balanced diet. I've also noticed, just as
Speaker 2: I've slightly improved my diet over the past like decade,
Speaker 2: and I don't know if there's a thing or not,
Speaker 2: but I've noticed that my.
Speaker 1: Crazy my diet pretty recently too. I heard about your lunches.
Speaker 1: I heard I just want Jack to kind of eat
Speaker 1: up all the airway, you know, the airwaves.
Speaker 2: Like I used to crave process sugar, like when when
Speaker 2: I was consuming more of it, and now it like
Speaker 2: seems gross to me, the amount of processed sugar that
Speaker 2: I was eating. And I'm like, is that is that
Speaker 2: when you you're you're just getting old, Okay, yeah, got it.
Speaker 2: Your your body is at some point telling you, okay,
Speaker 2: this is knock it off. It you don't feel as good,
Speaker 2: like you don't feel the way you did when you
Speaker 2: were younger doing that stuff. Yeah, okay, got it. So
Speaker 2: I knew I was old because I started paying attention
Speaker 2: to birds and like what different bird calls were. But this,
Speaker 2: this is another good more about World War two, oh Man,
Speaker 2: World War I got some stories about World War Two boys.
Speaker 1: He's like, Miles, check out this gigantic gun the Nazis.
Speaker 2: Were hooking up on a railroad.
Speaker 1: You won't believe how big this thing is.
Speaker 2: Top five tank battles go Oh my god. Again, I'm
Speaker 2: so obsessed with tank battles. I'm just like, hell's that interesting.
Speaker 3: Anyways, Let's take a quick break and we're gonna come
Speaker 3: back and keep talking about this. We'll be right back,
Speaker 3: and we're back, and I do I am curious as
Speaker 3: someone who has kind of worked in the fields of
Speaker 3: medical bullshit, like what your diagnosis would be for why
Speaker 3: our current information ecosystem is so bad? Like I feel
Speaker 3: like it's the Internet, for sure, but I also feel
Speaker 3: like there's this underlying hyper capitalism ethos where like Goop
Speaker 3: can be completely full of shit but still get like
Speaker 3: good press because it's got like because it's making money
Speaker 3: basically because it's like I don't you know, business insider,
Speaker 3: the business insider of it all. It is like, yeah,
Speaker 3: she's made a great product and that's cool.
Speaker 1: It's called goop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so there's just like so many ways to
Speaker 2: launder this pseudo scientific bullshit that I feel like used
Speaker 2: to be relegated to the back of like magazines, and
Speaker 2: now is like, you know, a big, multi billion dollar brand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the dodgy ads from the back of the
Speaker 1: magazine are now are like medical truths that we have accepted.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but this is I don't think you're misreading that.
Speaker 2: I think that is kind of what I'm seeing as well.
Speaker 2: I mean grifts, medical grifts. I mean they've been around forever,
Speaker 2: but and they reinvent themselves all the time. Like I
Speaker 2: got interviewed about Gwyneth Paltrow's rectal ozone therapy and I
Speaker 2: had to look into that and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's not necessarily new. I mean, it's just one way
Speaker 2: or another. Yeah, yeah, don't do it as long and
Speaker 2: the short of it. But like copy enemas, enemas that
Speaker 2: to detox and clans, all these things that that people
Speaker 2: try to do. They're like urine therapy, drinking urine. These
Speaker 2: are things that always come back in one form or another,
Speaker 2: like Napoleon was doing that, yeah right, yeah, and and
Speaker 2: it is getting worse. And I think a lot of
Speaker 2: that is sort of the direct to consumer marketing that
Speaker 2: you see from like these people, these influencers online are
Speaker 2: people selling supplements and that sort of thing. So and
Speaker 2: these people have like zero sense of medical ethics because
Speaker 2: most of them aren't doctors, and the ones that are
Speaker 2: medical professionals don't seem to care that much. I will
Speaker 2: also put some of the blame on us as doctors,
Speaker 2: because you know, we talk about placebo, and you know,
Speaker 2: usually in the past, doctors back, yeah, placibo find if
Speaker 2: it works, great, and that's true. I usually don't care.
Speaker 2: But we let a lot of stuff that seemed inconsequential
Speaker 2: go in the past and not fight. Ah. So Gwyneth
Speaker 2: Paltrow wants to put a jade egg in her vagina,
Speaker 2: what's the harm you? They want to take this whatever
Speaker 2: pill X or supplement, what's the harm? It's a low
Speaker 2: risk thing, and the truth of it is what we
Speaker 2: have seen. I think there's a direct line between people
Speaker 2: doing that and thinking, well, Okay, this alternative therapy seems
Speaker 2: it seems truthy enough, and then they start to believe
Speaker 2: that more and more, and then when it comes to
Speaker 2: something that's maybe a more real, like proven medical treatment
Speaker 2: or say a vaccine, they don't know who to trust
Speaker 2: because there's so much out there, so much information out there,
Speaker 2: that seems contradictory that we sort of let slide that.
Speaker 2: Like now if someone who is an influencer who you know,
Speaker 2: we never like addressed before, is now saying something a
Speaker 2: little more serious and consequential like don't get your vaccine,
Speaker 2: then that now we have a real problem. And I
Speaker 2: think we have to now be more aggressive about these things.
Speaker 2: Like even if it's a low risk thing for most
Speaker 2: people to take supplements, it for most people it is,
Speaker 2: it's low risk. Not for everyone. They put like you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of like we joked about, like lead in
Speaker 2: these things you'll see, but like there's things in there
Speaker 2: that can hurt the liver. There's even like liver cleanses
Speaker 2: that actually have ingredients in them that can hurt the
Speaker 2: liver because it's completely unregulated. There's very little regulation that
Speaker 2: goes into this, and so you know, if we're not
Speaker 2: careful about the little things, then they can spiral. They
Speaker 2: can sort of like snowball into bigger and bigger problems
Speaker 2: down the road and really help erode a lack in
Speaker 2: real medical treatment, proven evidence based science treatment, you know,
Speaker 2: And so I think it's a lot on us as doctors.
Speaker 2: We have to be more vigilant about the stuff and
Speaker 2: call out bullshit even if it seems relatively inconsequential.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think there's another part too, because I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure this has something to do with it. Because
Speaker 1: our medical system, especially here in the United States, is
Speaker 1: so bad that so many people end up slipping through
Speaker 1: the cracks or having a doctor that isn't taking them seriously,
Speaker 1: and you know, small issues become things that are life
Speaker 1: threatening very quickly, and then and then anecdotally that gets
Speaker 1: around it's like, well, the doctors don't the fuck they're
Speaker 1: talking about and shit like that. How much of like
Speaker 1: sort of the you know, trying to resolve all of
Speaker 1: this is also just sort of on having like a
Speaker 1: better medical system where people feel like, ah, this this
Speaker 1: seems more dependable because I feel like a lot of
Speaker 1: distress someone it comes from someone with like an anecdote
Speaker 1: about something that happened to someone they know. And that's
Speaker 1: why now it's like, ah, well they're just saying shit
Speaker 1: or whatever. They don't they they're going to miss stuff.
Speaker 1: That's why I do my own research or et cetera,
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, thing that people want to say
Speaker 1: when it comes to that.
Speaker 2: First of all, how dare you. Yeah, our medical system
Speaker 2: is a wreck. We pay more and we get worse
Speaker 2: quality than we should. And then a lot of countries
Speaker 2: who are supposed to be are sort of at our
Speaker 2: level are doing so absolutely and people are looking for
Speaker 2: other means to get care and treatment. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: always a little worried about doing this because people, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm worried about giving direct medical care and treatment online
Speaker 2: because you can't do that you don't know somebody online.
Speaker 2: But we do need to create a better system so
Speaker 2: people don't have to turn two things online. They don't
Speaker 2: have to like look for a doctor or someone online
Speaker 2: recommending a treatment, or going to some sort of like
Speaker 2: you know, app where they can order like psychiatric meds.
Speaker 2: And they should have better care directly from their medical
Speaker 2: offices that they go to or hopefully have the insurance
Speaker 2: to even go to see a doctor. So yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I mean a big part of this I totally acknowledge
Speaker 2: is based on the fact that our system is very dysfunctional,
Speaker 2: if not broken, and all on top of that, something
Speaker 2: else you mentioned is true too. I mean, people oftentimes
Speaker 2: feel like they're not being listened to by their doctor.
Speaker 1: And I can see that. I understand it.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it happens constantly all the time, and that's hard.
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of I feel for the doctors
Speaker 2: too in that regards, because most of these primary care
Speaker 2: doctors are extraordinarily overworked, right, and they're swamped with email
Speaker 2: after email after email, and they can't really put in
Speaker 2: the energy and the time to each one to make
Speaker 2: that person feel heard. That doesn't mean they shouldn't try.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that that's not something we need to do.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I know a lot of people who don't
Speaker 2: feel like they're listened to by the medical profession. Sometimes
Speaker 2: that can have devastating consequences. Oftentimes not, but sometimes it
Speaker 2: can be devastating.
Speaker 1: And since you did concede that point, are you willing
Speaker 1: to say that electrolytes are something we need? As I
Speaker 1: see that it's one of the top sellings. When I
Speaker 1: look at supplements like I'm looking at the Amazon Health
Speaker 1: I feel like looking at the top charted products on Amazon,
Speaker 1: it's a good idea of what people think they need
Speaker 1: for their bodies, and electrolytes is like one of the
Speaker 1: high everyone's fucking on electrolytes right now. Yes, just because
Speaker 1: we don't want to drink water. I'm like, it's just
Speaker 1: weird to me. I'm like, isn't that just that's a
Speaker 1: salt they put in gatorade.
Speaker 3: It's because we've lost our way and nobody wants to
Speaker 3: drink gatorade anymore because it.
Speaker 2: Wants to work.
Speaker 1: No one wants to work and no one wants to
Speaker 1: drink gatorade. Yeah. Yeah, water isn't that sexy anymore?
Speaker 2: People like, I mean, it has to be like death
Speaker 2: Liquid or whatever the name of that company, Like they
Speaker 2: just officially became a geriatric so like this is that's
Speaker 2: a real it's a real thing. That's the electrolyte thing.
Speaker 2: It can be useful for people like serious athletes, but
Speaker 2: for most of us, regular water is going.
Speaker 1: To the margins out of hydration like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, you're not. Most people are not becoming like
Speaker 2: hyponatremik when they're like doing their exercise. But I mean again,
Speaker 2: it's one of those things where for a long time
Speaker 2: we're just like, Okay, whatever, smart water, that's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it exists.
Speaker 2: It's the pH on that right right And now now
Speaker 2: I mean again, it's it's it's all I'm starting to
Speaker 2: feel more and more like it's a slippery slope. The
Speaker 2: more we accept sort of like unnecessary stuff, the worst
Speaker 2: the outcomes down the road become so and then we
Speaker 2: end up with someone like RFK, who actually is like
Speaker 2: a legitimate, you know, candidate. I mean, he's not gonna win,
Speaker 2: but still he's actually out there and people are hearing
Speaker 2: and listening to his garbage.
Speaker 1: And but I I'm sorry, I really dislike him, so
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have brought him up. But that's how we
Speaker 1: get people like that in our lives, right, Yeah, from
Speaker 1: not being like, no, you're wrong, go leave leave, Yeah, exactly, No, No.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you about these vaccines. Man, You're like, no,
Speaker 1: you're not telling us ship. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting, Like the doctor Oz like Wager, like
Speaker 2: you know, his argument to himself seemed to be that
Speaker 2: it was all worth it because he was educating people
Speaker 2: on stuf they wouldn't have normally like been educated about,
Speaker 2: and it was fine if he like flubbed the margins
Speaker 2: a little bit or like told a couple lies here
Speaker 2: and there, and then you know, we see where that ends,
Speaker 2: and I feel like the whole that's kind of what
Speaker 2: you're describing just across the board a little bit.
Speaker 1: That's exactly it.
Speaker 2: And I feel a little bit for for him, because,
Speaker 2: I you know, if you're doing a show every day
Speaker 2: and you have to just start like coming up with
Speaker 2: shit medically, at some point, some of the stuff's gonna
Speaker 2: get questionable. But I mean, you know, he should. He's supposedly,
Speaker 2: he was supposedly a good doctor. You know, he should that, Like,
Speaker 2: you can't lose that, and if you do, you have
Speaker 2: to stop calling yourself doctor Oz, you know, the Oz
Speaker 2: at that point. So I mean, yeah, but that is
Speaker 2: exactly the That's exactly what happened. I mean he started
Speaker 2: out with him talking about like poop and like he
Speaker 2: was a guy who like taught you, like all of
Speaker 2: our mother is, like what a normal poop shape is
Speaker 2: supposed to be like on the Oprah Winfrey Show, and
Speaker 2: that was like fine, cool, we talked about firebrus, But
Speaker 2: that was a very slow and gradual descent into nonsense
Speaker 2: and gibberish.
Speaker 1: To him saying the vagina is like a self cleaning oven,
Speaker 1: and You're like.
Speaker 2: What is going on?
Speaker 1: You're saying this many times out loud. Okay, It's weird
Speaker 1: when he says it. Yeah, yeah, it is like self
Speaker 1: cleaning oven like you who are you like a Maytag
Speaker 1: repair person or a doctor?
Speaker 2: Well, well, I'll tell you this. He gets that line
Speaker 2: maybe from Jen Gunter, who is a very famous and
Speaker 2: I think a really great obi guide, and that is
Speaker 2: a response to like trying to tell people you don't
Speaker 2: necessarily need to be doing cleanses. It comes down to
Speaker 2: the whole cleansing thing. So so in that sense, I
Speaker 2: think that's where he got it. But then he is
Speaker 2: one of these guys who will, like you know, he'll
Speaker 2: have people on who are on the fringes of the
Speaker 2: medical world and want to sell things, and he gives
Speaker 2: them air and he's giving them lots of attention he
Speaker 2: did when he had a show. So yeah, he also
Speaker 2: sucks all the doctors. I can't think of really one
Speaker 2: that's famous online that I'm trying or or TV.
Speaker 1: That's not doctor feel Good. Yeah, he is the one
Speaker 1: to call.
Speaker 2: Doctor Pat the aforementioned doctor Pepper. It's pretty Yeah, it
Speaker 2: helps helps the healthy nerve, helps you feel created.
Speaker 1: Did great work overseas. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Is there a subject that you think we've missed that
Speaker 3: is just something that you come up against like either
Speaker 3: a bullshit belief or I know I've heard you talk
Speaker 3: about you know. The answer is often like, we don't
Speaker 3: actually know on a lot of things. You know, something
Speaker 3: that most people think we definitively know that's more of
Speaker 3: a mystery, or yeah, there's probably a lot, but I
Speaker 3: will say that, you know, because I'm a gast entrologist.
Speaker 3: One of the things that I get asked a lot
Speaker 3: about or people will talk to me about, or coffee
Speaker 3: enemas and that's the constant bane of my existence. And
Speaker 3: if I can use this as a platform to tell
Speaker 3: people to not get them.
Speaker 1: I will.
Speaker 2: I mean, coffee is great. I love coffee. I think
Speaker 2: there's actual health benefits to coffee. There's actually some decent ones.
Speaker 2: We actually did an episode of our show with one
Speaker 2: of the weirder ones with a great hepatologist named Elliott
Speaker 2: Tapper prop the musician and podcaster, Yeah, Deepak Chopper's brother
Speaker 2: who is a doctor as well, in studies coffee in
Speaker 2: a weirdest and there's a lot of health benefits. Yes,
Speaker 2: it was an interesting one, and in that that episode
Speaker 2: we really covered a lot of the health benefits of it.
Speaker 2: But there is no added benefit to putting coffee up
Speaker 2: your butt and potential harm and not just if it's hot.
Speaker 2: It could be some chemical thing in there that irritates
Speaker 2: your your cold as well.
Speaker 1: So don't do that. Don't don't do shit like that.
Speaker 2: Don't just don't do cleanses.
Speaker 1: I think the first person I heard talking about it
Speaker 1: like it was a celet. I feel like it was
Speaker 1: like Janet Jackson or some shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: like somehow I remember, like in the nineties, it was
Speaker 1: like this one thing. We're like, dude, that celebrity is
Speaker 1: just boofing, just gollons of coffee in their butt, and
Speaker 1: that's I think the new way to live or something,
Speaker 1: and it sort of, yeah, became very very popular, very quickly.
Speaker 1: So so we just stick to only putting alcoholic beverages
Speaker 1: up our ass, no coffee, and we should ticked away
Speaker 1: your joy.
Speaker 2: There was another monster, guys. And I do have to say,
Speaker 2: I feel like I always have to be looks. I'm
Speaker 2: not totally against things going into butts, Okay, I'm just
Speaker 2: saying don't put coffee.
Speaker 1: Work and how you might think yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure,
Speaker 1: all right, and that's just like your medical opinion, man.
Speaker 3: Doctor cave Hodo. What a pleasure having you on the daily?
Speaker 3: Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 2: Find my podcast anywhere you you do podcasting. It's called
Speaker 2: the House of Pod. It's uh, you know, humor adjacent
Speaker 2: medical podcast, and uh, you know, I think you like it.
Speaker 2: It's not too in the weeds of medicine. And usually
Speaker 2: we have fun guests on, both doctor guests and non
Speaker 2: doctor guests will cover fun topics and have and have
Speaker 2: cool conversations.
Speaker 1: So I I, you know, you'll probably like it.
Speaker 2: And it's free. So you know, if you don't know,
Speaker 2: no harm there, right, No, that's free, Like amazing. Is
Speaker 2: there a work a media that you've been enjoying? You know?
Speaker 2: Have you guys ever heard of this band The Thrills?
Speaker 1: No, nobody has nobody.
Speaker 2: Here's the deal, Like it sounds like a band I
Speaker 2: should know. I'm like, yeah, the yeah Thrills, Right, Okay,
Speaker 2: So as Californians, you should appreciate this because I love
Speaker 2: like the concept of surf rock. I enjoy a lot
Speaker 2: of surf rock, and I think, in my opinion, my estimation,
Speaker 2: the best surf rock California music y sort of band
Speaker 2: is this band called the Thrills. They were around the
Speaker 2: early aughts. I don't think they're around anymore. And they
Speaker 2: would sing songs about like Big sur and Santa Cruz
Speaker 2: and they're so rad. Corey Ham they would sing songs
Speaker 2: about Corey Hame, like who else dons that? And like
Speaker 2: the best part is there from like Ireland, from like Dublin, California.
Speaker 2: And they had like somehow totally figured out the ethos
Speaker 2: of the California beach community in a way that I
Speaker 2: just fucking love. So give them a listen. They're called
Speaker 2: the Thrills. I also say, listen to my friend Rebecca
Speaker 2: Watson's watch her YouTube channel. I think she's the most
Speaker 2: underrated science communicator out there right now. And that's that's
Speaker 2: I guess that's all I got.
Speaker 3: All right, amazing, Well, thanks again for joining Miles. Where
Speaker 3: can people find you as their working media you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1: Yeah, find me on Twitter, Instagram at Miles of Gray.
Speaker 1: You find Jack and I on the basketball podcast Miles
Speaker 1: and Jack Got Mad Bousies. You can also find us
Speaker 1: on our Enema podcast as well, Mad Booty. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: also if I'm talking to very, they're very upset after
Speaker 1: the Venom tweet tweet, I like is from again. The
Speaker 1: euro Cup and Copa America concluded over the weekend. Argentina
Speaker 1: won the Copa America back to back winners, Spain just
Speaker 1: won the euro Cup, and because there's been so much
Speaker 1: soccer on TV, this tweet just cracked me up. It's
Speaker 1: like the the avatar on it is like a like.
Speaker 1: It looks like a Ted Cruz esque figure behind an
Speaker 1: American flager in front of American flag. It's at power bottom.
Speaker 1: Dad One tweeted, after watching five or so soccer games,
Speaker 1: I'm ninety nine percent sure the entire sport is being
Speaker 1: played wrong strategically. This feels like such an American Yeah watching, No, No,
Speaker 1: why are you playing it like that? You should be
Speaker 1: going for high volume of shots. Man fucking launching that shot.
Speaker 2: That's me the game, tick shot, shoot shoot the goal,
Speaker 2: to shoot it right now, right now. Why doesn't the
Speaker 2: one goal we try and shoot it into the other
Speaker 2: goal every single time? That's like a free throw? Yeah, man,
Speaker 2: wide open, amazing. You can find me on Twitter at
Speaker 2: Jack Underscore O'Brien a tweet I've been enjoying. Let's take
Speaker 2: it back to July twelfth, let's scroll back through. Uh
Speaker 2: Sean clements from Hollywood Handbook tweeted, if I ever get
Speaker 2: introduced to Mia Goth, I'm gonna say Mia too.
Speaker 1: I thought that was cute.
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Speaker 3: we talked.
Speaker 1: About in today's episode.
Speaker 2: Well, it is a song that we think you might enjoy.
Speaker 2: Mile's a song do you think people might enjoy?
Speaker 1: I heard this band over the weekend that was really cool.
Speaker 1: They're called Balfus, but it's spelled b A L t
Speaker 1: h v S.
Speaker 2: You know, hit them on some What do they do
Speaker 2: that Rome? When the V was basically it could be
Speaker 2: like Norwegian? I feel well there was a five in Rome.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, you sneaky devil. You get back from Europe
Speaker 2: and you're already sonning me like that okay from the
Speaker 2: Rocky franchise.
Speaker 1: Sorry man, yeah, I kept calling it Rocky V till
Speaker 1: someone mean like Rocky.
Speaker 2: You guys seen Rocky Rakiev.
Speaker 1: But anyway, they are a Colombian psychedelic band that's like
Speaker 1: really dope like so they've got a lot of like
Speaker 1: Middle Eastern side kind of like melodies, but also like
Speaker 1: Cumbia vibes too, and it's like reminds you of like Krungbin.
Speaker 1: If you like Krungbin, you're definitely gonna like this band
Speaker 1: or like that kind of vibe stuff, sort of like
Speaker 1: psych surfy at times. This is a track called Sun
Speaker 1: and Moon by Balf, the Colombian psychedelic band that I'm slowly.
Speaker 2: Starting to fall in love with. So check this going
Speaker 2: out well.
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