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Speaker 2: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three, forty seven,

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Speaker 2: episode two of Daly's Say production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 1: This is a.

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Speaker 2: Podcast where you take a deep guy into American share consciousness.

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Speaker 2: And it is Tuesday, July sixteenth, twenty twenty four. July sixteenth,

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Speaker 2: What the fuck?

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Speaker 1: What happened?

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Speaker 2: Wait?

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Speaker 1: We're doing when dude?

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Speaker 2: That happens literally just June twenty seventh, the last time

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know the debate was about

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Speaker 2: When I'm not record actively recording to this podcast, I

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Speaker 1: Oh well, if your skin looks remarkably good for holding

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Speaker 1: is corn Fritter's Day, So there's that also for those

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Speaker 1: of you that can afford one National Personal Chef Day,

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Speaker 1: Miles Gray, AKA, I've got coving and eyes.

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Speaker 1: Wow, thank you. This is I have to say. I

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry that it's me. So sorry. Nothing happened.

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Speaker 2: But I mean people believe in it in like a

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Speaker 2: and they're like, well, I get. I get accused of

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Speaker 2: They're they're selling you this garbage. You know.

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Speaker 2: I'm leculator. I got a three thousand dollars a month

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Speaker 1: A lot of collagen peptides.

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Speaker 2: Oh dude, I mean, and that's why my skin looks

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Speaker 3: of information ecosystem kind of go from you know, go

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Speaker 3: to the doctor, listen to what they say, you.

439
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Speaker 2: Know, maybe get a second opinion. I don't know to

440
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 2: It feels like we have regressed to the world of

441
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 2: like snake oil out of covered wagons. It does like

442
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 2: I remember reading the origin stories like of Coca Cola

443
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Speaker 2: and doctor Pepper, and I was like, oh, this is

444
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 2: where we're going. It's like when those things were sold

445
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: as like health tonics to help with your healthy nerves

446
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 2: and shit like that. But it feels like it's a

447
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 2: mess out there to me too. Yeah, yeah, you're not wrong,

448
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: You're not wrong. It's it's terrible. Yeah, Like, how do

449
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 2: you navigate it? How do you like? Are there tips

450
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 2: that you give to people for developing literacy in the

451
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 2: age of like medical drifting, Yeah, for sure, I mean

452
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Speaker 2: I think the first thing. And people are much savvier

453
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 2: these days. Younger generations are much savvier than older ones,

454
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: but just keep an eye out for where it's coming from.

455
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Speaker 2: Is it, you know, is the information you're reading about.

456
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Speaker 2: Is it coming from like Mayo or some university or

457
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Speaker 2: something that you a medical center you've heard of, or

458
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Speaker 2: is it coming from like the Hindustan Times or business Insider.

459
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Speaker 2: You know, keep your eye out for where it's coming from.

460
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Speaker 2: Like there's obviously clickbait everywhere around health and that it's

461
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 2: a big part of it. And then you know there

462
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 2: are there are certain anyone's trying to any medical professionals

463
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 2: trying to sell you something I'm wary of frankly, and

464
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Speaker 2: like anytime someone tries to sell something that has the

465
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Speaker 2: word detox, cleanses ancient in it are key words that

466
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Speaker 2: I that I really make my butthole clinch up, and

467
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Speaker 2: nine nine percent of time it's bullshit. The cleanses health

468
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Speaker 2: that your butthole can clench up like that you want

469
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Speaker 2: it's strong. Yeah, but you do have a doctor wife,

470
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Speaker 2: so you know your your liver and your kidneys are

471
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Speaker 2: going to help you detox everything you need to detox. Right,

472
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Speaker 2: if there is something that your liver and your kidneys

473
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Speaker 2: cannot get out of your body, then some essential oil

474
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Speaker 2: that an influencer on TikTok is trying to sell you

475
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Speaker 2: isn't going to work. Either you need like, you know,

476
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Speaker 2: hemodialysis or something much more like important. So like, don't

477
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Speaker 2: worry if you're treating your liver and your kidney's okay,

478
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 2: you don't need detox and the detoxes that you get

479
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: aren't gonna work. These things that they sell you to

480
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Speaker 2: cleanse your body of whatever illness you have or whatever

481
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 2: one particular thing that's that's usually not gonna work. Also,

482
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Speaker 2: be wary of medical professionals or health influencers who try

483
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Speaker 2: to like moralize certain foods or like, ah, this one

484
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Speaker 2: berry is bad, this berry is good, tomatoes are bad.

485
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Speaker 2: These things I mean, like it's you make it sounds shady,

486
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Speaker 2: It sounds sinister, doesn't it.

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Speaker 1: You have to be really.

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Speaker 2: Cautious about those things. I mean, be very cautious of

489
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Speaker 2: anyone who seems overly confident about things. I mean, again,

490
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Speaker 2: the reason my show will never be that big other

491
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Speaker 2: than the fact I'm no good is that I don't.

492
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Speaker 2: You have to have like a certain amount of like

493
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Speaker 2: hutzba to like say, like it to be a Cuberman

494
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Speaker 2: level balls to just have confidence about things you should

495
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Speaker 2: not have confidence about, and some things that you just

496
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 2: we just don't know, especially things that are like new,

497
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: like when COVID first came out, people would come out

498
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Speaker 2: and speak definitively on it. I mean that's how would

499
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Speaker 2: you know. No one knows it's new, you know. But

500
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Speaker 2: but that's what people want to hear. Not like people,

501
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 2: they want to hear a doctor tell them this is

502
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Speaker 2: the one thing you need to do. If you do

503
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Speaker 2: this one thing, you're good. But but usually we can't

504
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Speaker 2: do that. That's bullshit. I mean, there is a certain

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Speaker 2: level of uncertainty in all medicine, and you know, never

506
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Speaker 2: more so than than now. You know, there's lots of uncertainty,

507
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 2: and you have to be comfortable with that to some degree.

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Speaker 1: You have to to know that.

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Speaker 2: And if someone seems like over the confident and try

510
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Speaker 2: to sell you one thing, you should be a little

511
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 2: be cautious at least because I feel like it's so

512
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: confident and have won seven championships like Tom Brady, does

513
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Speaker 2: that then make it so I can trust his nutritional device?

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Speaker 2: Sorry advice? Sorry you got yeah, okay, good, all right?

515
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Speaker 1: I just wanted yeah, just wanted to level set with you.

516
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Speaker 2: So TB twelve, TB twelve the only doctor I trust,

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Speaker 2: doctor Tom terrific.

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Speaker 1: Well, because I think part of it, right, like, especially

519
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Speaker 1: with being susceptible to medical information. A there's the thing

520
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Speaker 1: that's like, well, I can't afford to see a doctor.

521
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Speaker 1: A lot of people are like or it's extremely difficult

522
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Speaker 1: with a schedule to even find the time to see

523
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Speaker 1: a doctor. That's not the case for everyone. But I

524
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Speaker 1: think also as there is like more information, like everything

525
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Speaker 1: has been offered to us in this way with like

526
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Speaker 1: you know, since the Internet of like yeah, man, just

527
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Speaker 1: do this thing to you want to learn how to

528
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Speaker 1: fold a shirt, just do this thing. You want to

529
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Speaker 1: learn how to boil the perfect egg, just do this thing.

530
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Speaker 1: You have lymphatic issues, just do this one thing, you

531
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Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like we're so used to even

532
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: reducing complex medical things like oh man, it's that you

533
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Speaker 1: just you don't got enough this. And I think that's

534
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: partially like the opportunism of like the influencer industry coming up,

535
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Speaker 1: because now people are incentivized to be able to be

536
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Speaker 1: like and let me just again this one simple trick.

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Speaker 1: Doctors don't want you to know, like we've one simple

538
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Speaker 1: trick our way down to like complex issues, and now

539
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Speaker 1: some people like, well, like you know, I've I'm acquainted

540
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: with people who will absolutely not see doctors and are

541
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: convinced that they the information they need is available in

542
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Speaker 1: community groups on Facebook or online and things like that,

543
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: and that's how some people live. Because I think there's

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Speaker 1: just also this, like to your point when we were

545
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: just joking earlier, when someone asks you, like, what does

546
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Speaker 1: this thing look like? And you give them your honest

547
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Speaker 1: opinion as a physician, and they're like, well, I didn't

548
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: want to hear that. It's like, we want to hear

549
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: that it's just Oh I just wasn't eating enough chick piece,

550
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: or it's like, oh I'm sleeping the wrong way, and

551
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: because I don't want to maybe grapple the fact that

552
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: maybe there's something more complex happening. Yeah, it's totally true.

553
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: And every time there is any sort of vacuum with

554
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: medical understanding of knowledge, it gets filled with these grifters.

555
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's part of the reason I do this

556
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Speaker 2: whole show. I want to make like medicine accessible, want

557
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: people to be able to like feel comfortable with things

558
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: with doctors talking. So they don't have to like go

559
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Speaker 2: find random like TikTok advice on you know, sunning their buttoles,

560
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Speaker 2: like I want. I want them to have sources that

561
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Speaker 2: they can get without like having to always see a

562
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Speaker 2: doctor's things that should be available. That's a lot of

563
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Speaker 2: that's on us as doctors, like we have to be

564
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Speaker 2: doing that, and it's hard because we're not. Like again,

565
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Speaker 2: if you're gonna be like a social media doctor and

566
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Speaker 2: have a presence, it's hard to build like a following

567
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Speaker 2: without being a piece of shit. You kind of have

568
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Speaker 2: to like sell yourself a little bit, and that's hard

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Speaker 2: to do. Like I mean, I'm sure the ads I

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Speaker 2: play on my podcast are like ninety percent dick pills

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And I have to sort

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Speaker 2: of grapple with that myself. That's that's tough. But you're

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Speaker 2: if they pay me enough, fuck it, I will sell

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Speaker 2: as in the medical profession have to be better about.

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Speaker 2: That's why we need more people doing you know, this

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Speaker 2: where this person was taking like the supplement like supplements

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Speaker 3: that's not a true story because there wouldn't be actual

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Speaker 3: for the So what are the things that you like,

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Speaker 3: you know that are actually impacting our health negatively that

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Speaker 3: like don't get enough attention, Like it's not our lack.

596
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Speaker 2: Of essential oils that we can put on a rag

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Speaker 2: and like huff like ether or either it's just.

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Speaker 1: Dowsing a rag in right, Oh yeah, Because like to

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Speaker 1: your point, Jack, you're saying, like we live in this

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Speaker 1: thing where it's like again it's not about Health's like,

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Speaker 1: well you need this thing because like I feel like

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Speaker 4: Was like we don't, we don't live like our ancestors

604
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Speaker 4: did and now in this modern world, that's that's why

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Speaker 4: you need to be dabbing oil of clove on your

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Speaker 4: throat every.

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Speaker 1: Day or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when they will go the opposite route and they'll

609
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Speaker 2: say like, this is what our ancient ancestors did and

610
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Speaker 2: this is why you should do this, and it's also bullshit, right,

611
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Speaker 2: Like they'll use the same like selling tool in a

612
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Speaker 2: different way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess just to simplify it, is it because

614
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Speaker 1: we aren't you know, is this sort of rhetoric sort

615
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Speaker 1: of working on people because on some level we aren't

616
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Speaker 1: getting things we need or it's completely just missing the

617
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Speaker 1: point and we're just so used to being like, oh,

618
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Speaker 1: I need to buy this new product when there are

619
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Speaker 1: actual ways that, like the modern era has affected our

620
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Speaker 1: health negatively that we're just completely ignoring, are just paying

621
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Speaker 1: little attention to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good question. Yeah, I mean listen

623
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Speaker 2: for a living. A big part of what I do

624
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Speaker 2: is look into American colons and I can tell you

625
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Speaker 2: that we are lacking in certain things like fiber, We

626
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: could do a lot. Our diets are not awesome, and

627
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Speaker 2: it's something that you know, I would love to discuss

628
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Speaker 2: in more depth and detail. But it's a long process,

629
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Speaker 2: so I mean it needs to say. I'll say, American

630
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Speaker 2: diets not great loan fiber. It's high in processed foods

631
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Speaker 2: and high in sugar and high in processed meats. And

632
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Speaker 2: these are things that I think are important and we

633
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: should be wary of, and we should try to have

634
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: better diets. We should try to eat better, more plants,

635
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: less red meat, less processed meat, less sugars. In general.

636
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: These are things that I agree with, you know, Mediterranean diet,

637
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: plant based diet. I think these are good options. But

638
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Speaker 2: for most people who are eating a.

639
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Speaker 1: Well balanced diet, if it's not perfect, they're still going

640
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Speaker 1: to get most of the things they need, most of them.

641
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Speaker 1: Will we could do better. I certainly think we can

642
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Speaker 1: do better in general in the United States, And you know,

643
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Speaker 1: we talk about this. Have you heard of blue zones Yeah, yeah, yeah,

644
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: where people still increase like lifespans or yeah, higher than

645
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Speaker 1: average lifespan. That's right.

646
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

647
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Speaker 1: Part of it is diet.

648
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Speaker 2: Part of it is the way they get around and exercise,

649
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Speaker 2: and not necessarily the same typical ways we think of exercise,

650
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Speaker 2: but the way that people live there and diet's a

651
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Speaker 2: part of that, So I mean, I think there is

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Speaker 2: something to that. I also don't want people hyper focused

653
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Speaker 2: on everything they eat. I don't think that's healthy either.

654
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: So for me, in terms of things that are really

655
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: like concerning now that have changed a little bit because

656
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: diets have always been bad, is rates of alcohol. Like

657
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: I and I'm not saying people shouldn't drink. I enjoy

658
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: you know, drinks in moderation, but since COVID, I have

659
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: seen the rates of alcohol use go up from tremendously

660
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: and I've seen younger and younger people in this country

661
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: getting seriously sick with liver related injuries, alcohol related injuries

662
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 2: because of it. So it's something I am growing concern for.

663
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: Again.

664
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 2: People will come, I'll have experts come to my show

665
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: and they'll be against all alcohol. I'm not comfortable with that.

666
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: I still think that people can have it in moderation,

667
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 2: and I think it's you know, I think it can

668
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: be something that brings a lot of us joy. But

669
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 2: I think we are developed, we have developed an unhealthy

670
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: relationship with it in this country and it's only gotten

671
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 2: a little bit worse. Like you know, you go to

672
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: a you go to a movie, and like there's a

673
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: sad scene in the movie, there's like, go get a drink.

674
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: If there's something that happens, it's good, let's celebrate, Let's

675
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: get a drink. You know. It's like it's a part

676
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: of it's become a little too ingrained in the culture

677
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: in a way that I don't think is healthy. And

678
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: it's only gotten worse since COVID right.

679
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 1: Now, that is true. Like the media, I've for sure

680
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: informed my use of alcohol from like a very early age.

681
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: Like I honestly thought, if I'm going through some shit,

682
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: I need to drink alcohol to do. I don't know

683
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: for what reason, but I was mimicking what I had

684
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: seen over and over. It's like, oh, you're going through it, man,

685
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: let's go get you know, go have some drinks or whatever.

686
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: Or like you see someone who's like clearly like suffering

687
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: with like some like you know, you watch a film

688
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: without a soldier and like they clearly have PTSD and

689
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: it's like but they drink through it, and like you

690
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: sort of connect this thing where it's like that will

691
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: somehow change things. And I remember when I had like

692
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: one of my first moments of like emotional strife in

693
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: like early adulthood, Like my first instinct was like, maybe

694
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: I shouldn't drink a ton of alcohol without even knowing

695
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: what the urge was. It was just more like I

696
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: think that's what it is. Obviously, Yeah that it didn't

697
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: last for long because I was just like, what the

698
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: fuck am I doing? But it is true, like so

699
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: many things are just sort of like like reflexive based

700
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: on like what we see, you know, get a mirrored

701
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: to us in the media constantly.

702
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I think at some point it was like

703
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: that with cigarettes. But then like because there's enough of

704
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: because they look cool, and you're like, oh, you learned

705
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: in the movies. You're like if you smoke cigarettes, like

706
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: it's a sign of like cool, you do it after sex,

707
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: you do it, like if you're a tough guy out

708
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: you're it's it's got like this. You had this allure

709
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: that was sold to us by Hollywood. At some point

710
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,479
Speaker 2: there was enough pushback on that that like that's changed.

711
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: You don't see that happen in movies as much anymore.

712
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: It's not that many people who smoke, but the alcohol thing.

713
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 2: And again I'm not like saying I'm not like saying

714
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: everyone should be abstinate from alcohol. But the alcohol thing

715
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: is something I think we have to be a little

716
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: more mindful of in this country now. And of course

717
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 2: I am a liver doctor as well, so it is,

718
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: it is, it is, you know the thing I'm seeing

719
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: a lot. So you're bias. You're admitting your bias. Amo

720
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: pro liver anti for big liver, big liver. That's what happens.

721
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: He does work for big liver. Where it's on big liver.

722
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: It does feel like that is.

723
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 3: The one thing that doctors and the wellness people seem

724
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 3: to be aligned on. Maybe not the one, but like

725
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 3: wellness people seem to be on board with, like, no, yeah,

726
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: drinking not.

727
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: Good for you. Do you know do you know why that?

728
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 2: Because here's the thing is, like for most people who

729
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 2: are drinking too much, if they stopped for a while,

730
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 2: they feel better, so much better. If that's part of

731
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: like your routine. Yeah, and you're like, you do my

732
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: twelve step routine to health and you do that one

733
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 2: step and that was a problem for you. If you

734
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: drink too much, you're gonna be like, yeah, I feel better.

735
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: This person knows what they're talking about. Shit, yeah right right, Yeah,

736
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 2: these berries are telling me to eat really are good,

737
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah that was step one and you give

738
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: the credit to the other eleven steps.

739
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, exactly, berries for sure, cyeballs. Holy shit, just

740
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: so like I hear so much like I'm trying, I'm

741
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 1: trying to be more conscious about my health and I'm

742
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: eating more like I have like vegetarian lunch now to

743
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: try and cut out meat at least one meal a

744
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: half a day is like mostly plant based. Yeah. But

745
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: the fiber thing for you, I just want to rub that,

746
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: rub that in your face.

747
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 2: So I just wanted to let you guys know that

748
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: and moving on.

749
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: So you know I'm doing that. So I'm gonna lift

750
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: to three thousand, Jack, Why don't you wipe that McDonald's

751
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: cheese paper off your face?

752
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: You just dave for lunch in front of us.

753
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: But like in part of that, right, it's like part

754
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: of me is always hearing like you got it, Like

755
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: lagoons are so good, fiber is so good. All these

756
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: other vets, like your cruciferous vegetables are great can. But

757
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: all I know is they're great can. Like for me,

758
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: as a child of the eighties and nineties, fiber was

759
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: always like promote, like marketed as like, oh, you're not

760
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: taking a ship, you need fiber, and it was most

761
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: in my mind it's like, oh, you're constipated, that's why

762
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: you need fiber, rather than like now looking at a

763
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: little more holistically, like what what Like I'm ignorant? So

764
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: can you please let me understand like what it is

765
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: about having the fiber in there? That is what what

766
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: the benefits of it that we're missing out on for

767
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: those of us that aren't eating enough fiber.

768
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 2: Okay, so well, there's a lot that it can do,

769
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: and there's been studies that show it can help with cholesterol.

770
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: But the major things that I think it helps with

771
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: that I would share with you guys now. One in

772
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: terms of like gut problems, it helps prevent issues.

773
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 1: With your colon.

774
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 2: Now, this may or may not be more information than

775
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: your listeners need to know. I'm not someone who ever

776
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 2: has paid attention to too much information, So I'm gonna

777
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: give you as much information as I think you guys

778
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: might want in the colon. If you're not having a

779
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: high fiber diet, the colon is struggling really hard to

780
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: move things through. When that happens, it puts a stress

781
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 2: in your colon that can lead to things like diverticular disease.

782
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: These little pouches that can form in the colon, those

783
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: things can become inflamed, it can become infected. Sometimes they

784
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: can bleed. Those things are a real problem for a

785
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: lot of Americans. That's just one little small thing. Right then,

786
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: in terms of like for an example of why it

787
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: might help you beyond that, when I talk to people

788
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: about sugar, I always warned them about processed sugar in particular,

789
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: and I say, if you're gonna get sugar, always the

790
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: best way to get it is through like fruits, because

791
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: when it comes into fruit, it comes with fiber, and

792
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 2: as you're ingesting that fiber, that slows down the release

793
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 2: of the sugar. So you're not getting this big bowl

794
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: list of sugar. And that's really where the problems come from.

795
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: It breaks down the release of sugar over a long time.

796
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: So these are just two of like many reasons why

797
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: right it's better for Americans is to.

798
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: Keep your colon from stressing and don't be like one

799
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: of our favorite podcasters, the kid Marrow, who did get diverticulitis.

800
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: I remember and he missed an episode and he said

801
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: that He's.

802
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 2: Like, guys, you got any fiber. He's like, you don't

803
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: want this, you don't want this, and I want this? No, no,

804
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: So it sounds uncomfortable. I don't want pockets and my colon.

805
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but it's okay. If what about like just

806
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: a bunch of fiber one and then the sugar is

807
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 2: coming from basic fruit and that it's a sugar cane plant.

808
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: So what about just like fiber one with just like

809
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: a bunch of sugar on it.

810
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: That's probably you mean, like there's not oring sugar on it?

811
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: Do you need Do you need the sugar?

812
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: You need the sugar? What is the.

813
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: I'm just taking down the wine from just carving off

814
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 2: lines of powdered fugar.

815
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: Doctor said, you don't want to eat this stuff, man,

816
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 1: you don't want.

817
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 2: To eat it.

818
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: So's you mean?

819
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: But but in general, if you're if you if you

820
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 2: have a more plant based diet, which is good for

821
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: a lot offerent reasons, you're you're filling yourself with you know,

822
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 2: foods that aren't you processed meats in general, like they're

823
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: gonna you're gonna get the fiber you need. Now, some

824
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 2: people are gonna need supplemental fiber like you know, metamuciles, citruscel,

825
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 2: et cetera. But you don't necessarily need that if you're

826
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 2: eating a well balanced diet. I've also noticed, just as

827
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 2: I've slightly improved my diet over the past like decade,

828
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: and I don't know if there's a thing or not,

829
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: but I've noticed that my.

830
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: Crazy my diet pretty recently too. I heard about your lunches.

831
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: I heard I just want Jack to kind of eat

832
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 1: up all the airway, you know, the airwaves.

833
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: Like I used to crave process sugar, like when when

834
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 2: I was consuming more of it, and now it like

835
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 2: seems gross to me, the amount of processed sugar that

836
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: I was eating. And I'm like, is that is that

837
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: when you you're you're just getting old, Okay, yeah, got it.

838
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: Your your body is at some point telling you, okay,

839
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: this is knock it off. It you don't feel as good,

840
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: like you don't feel the way you did when you

841
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: were younger doing that stuff. Yeah, okay, got it. So

842
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 2: I knew I was old because I started paying attention

843
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 2: to birds and like what different bird calls were. But this,

844
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 2: this is another good more about World War two, oh Man,

845
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 2: World War I got some stories about World War Two boys.

846
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: He's like, Miles, check out this gigantic gun the Nazis.

847
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: Were hooking up on a railroad.

848
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: You won't believe how big this thing is.

849
00:42:54,600 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 2: Top five tank battles go Oh my god. Again, I'm

850
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: so obsessed with tank battles. I'm just like, hell's that interesting.

851
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 3: Anyways, Let's take a quick break and we're gonna come

852
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 3: back and keep talking about this. We'll be right back,

853
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 3: and we're back, and I do I am curious as

854
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 3: someone who has kind of worked in the fields of

855
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 3: medical bullshit, like what your diagnosis would be for why

856
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: our current information ecosystem is so bad? Like I feel

857
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 3: like it's the Internet, for sure, but I also feel

858
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 3: like there's this underlying hyper capitalism ethos where like Goop

859
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 3: can be completely full of shit but still get like

860
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 3: good press because it's got like because it's making money

861
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 3: basically because it's like I don't you know, business insider,

862
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 3: the business insider of it all. It is like, yeah,

863
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 3: she's made a great product and that's cool.

864
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:11,959
Speaker 1: It's called goop.

865
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so there's just like so many ways to

866
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 2: launder this pseudo scientific bullshit that I feel like used

867
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: to be relegated to the back of like magazines, and

868
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: now is like, you know, a big, multi billion dollar brand.

869
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the dodgy ads from the back of the

870
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: magazine are now are like medical truths that we have accepted.

871
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but this is I don't think you're misreading that.

872
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 2: I think that is kind of what I'm seeing as well.

873
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: I mean grifts, medical grifts. I mean they've been around forever,

874
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: but and they reinvent themselves all the time. Like I

875
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 2: got interviewed about Gwyneth Paltrow's rectal ozone therapy and I

876
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: had to look into that and I was like, oh,

877
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 2: that's not necessarily new. I mean, it's just one way

878
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 2: or another. Yeah, yeah, don't do it as long and

879
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: the short of it. But like copy enemas, enemas that

880
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,959
Speaker 2: to detox and clans, all these things that that people

881
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: try to do. They're like urine therapy, drinking urine. These

882
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 2: are things that always come back in one form or another,

883
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: like Napoleon was doing that, yeah right, yeah, and and

884
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: it is getting worse. And I think a lot of

885
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 2: that is sort of the direct to consumer marketing that

886
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: you see from like these people, these influencers online are

887
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 2: people selling supplements and that sort of thing. So and

888
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: these people have like zero sense of medical ethics because

889
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: most of them aren't doctors, and the ones that are

890
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: medical professionals don't seem to care that much. I will

891
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: also put some of the blame on us as doctors,

892
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: because you know, we talk about placebo, and you know,

893
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 2: usually in the past, doctors back, yeah, placibo find if

894
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: it works, great, and that's true. I usually don't care.

895
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: But we let a lot of stuff that seemed inconsequential

896
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: go in the past and not fight. Ah. So Gwyneth

897
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 2: Paltrow wants to put a jade egg in her vagina,

898
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 2: what's the harm you? They want to take this whatever

899
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: pill X or supplement, what's the harm? It's a low

900
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 2: risk thing, and the truth of it is what we

901
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: have seen. I think there's a direct line between people

902
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: doing that and thinking, well, Okay, this alternative therapy seems

903
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: it seems truthy enough, and then they start to believe

904
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 2: that more and more, and then when it comes to

905
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: something that's maybe a more real, like proven medical treatment

906
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: or say a vaccine, they don't know who to trust

907
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 2: because there's so much out there, so much information out there,

908
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: that seems contradictory that we sort of let slide that.

909
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 2: Like now if someone who is an influencer who you know,

910
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 2: we never like addressed before, is now saying something a

911
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 2: little more serious and consequential like don't get your vaccine,

912
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 2: then that now we have a real problem. And I

913
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: think we have to now be more aggressive about these things.

914
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: Like even if it's a low risk thing for most

915
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 2: people to take supplements, it for most people it is,

916
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 2: it's low risk. Not for everyone. They put like you know,

917
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: a lot of like we joked about, like lead in

918
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: these things you'll see, but like there's things in there

919
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: that can hurt the liver. There's even like liver cleanses

920
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: that actually have ingredients in them that can hurt the

921
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: liver because it's completely unregulated. There's very little regulation that

922
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 2: goes into this, and so you know, if we're not

923
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 2: careful about the little things, then they can spiral. They

924
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: can sort of like snowball into bigger and bigger problems

925
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 2: down the road and really help erode a lack in

926
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 2: real medical treatment, proven evidence based science treatment, you know,

927
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: And so I think it's a lot on us as doctors.

928
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: We have to be more vigilant about the stuff and

929
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: call out bullshit even if it seems relatively inconsequential.

930
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think there's another part too, because I mean,

931
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure this has something to do with it. Because

932
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: our medical system, especially here in the United States, is

933
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: so bad that so many people end up slipping through

934
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: the cracks or having a doctor that isn't taking them seriously,

935
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: and you know, small issues become things that are life

936
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: threatening very quickly, and then and then anecdotally that gets

937
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: around it's like, well, the doctors don't the fuck they're

938
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: talking about and shit like that. How much of like

939
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: sort of the you know, trying to resolve all of

940
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: this is also just sort of on having like a

941
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: better medical system where people feel like, ah, this this

942
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: seems more dependable because I feel like a lot of

943
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: distress someone it comes from someone with like an anecdote

944
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: about something that happened to someone they know. And that's

945
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: why now it's like, ah, well they're just saying shit

946
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: or whatever. They don't they they're going to miss stuff.

947
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: That's why I do my own research or et cetera,

948
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, thing that people want to say

949
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: when it comes to that.

950
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: First of all, how dare you. Yeah, our medical system

951
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: is a wreck. We pay more and we get worse

952
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: quality than we should. And then a lot of countries

953
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 2: who are supposed to be are sort of at our

954
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: level are doing so absolutely and people are looking for

955
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 2: other means to get care and treatment. I mean, I'm

956
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: always a little worried about doing this because people, you know,

957
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: I'm worried about giving direct medical care and treatment online

958
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: because you can't do that you don't know somebody online.

959
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 2: But we do need to create a better system so

960
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 2: people don't have to turn two things online. They don't

961
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 2: have to like look for a doctor or someone online

962
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: recommending a treatment, or going to some sort of like

963
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: you know, app where they can order like psychiatric meds.

964
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 2: And they should have better care directly from their medical

965
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: offices that they go to or hopefully have the insurance

966
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 2: to even go to see a doctor. So yeah, no,

967
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 2: I mean a big part of this I totally acknowledge

968
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 2: is based on the fact that our system is very dysfunctional,

969
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: if not broken, and all on top of that, something

970
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: else you mentioned is true too. I mean, people oftentimes

971
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 2: feel like they're not being listened to by their doctor.

972
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: And I can see that. I understand it.

973
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 2: I'm sure it happens constantly all the time, and that's hard.

974
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of I feel for the doctors

975
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 2: too in that regards, because most of these primary care

976
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 2: doctors are extraordinarily overworked, right, and they're swamped with email

977
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: after email after email, and they can't really put in

978
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: the energy and the time to each one to make

979
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 2: that person feel heard. That doesn't mean they shouldn't try.

980
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that that's not something we need to do.

981
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, I know a lot of people who don't

982
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 2: feel like they're listened to by the medical profession. Sometimes

983
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: that can have devastating consequences. Oftentimes not, but sometimes it

984
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 2: can be devastating.

985
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: And since you did concede that point, are you willing

986
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: to say that electrolytes are something we need? As I

987
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: see that it's one of the top sellings. When I

988
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: look at supplements like I'm looking at the Amazon Health

989
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 1: I feel like looking at the top charted products on Amazon,

990
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: it's a good idea of what people think they need

991
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: for their bodies, and electrolytes is like one of the

992
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: high everyone's fucking on electrolytes right now. Yes, just because

993
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: we don't want to drink water. I'm like, it's just

994
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: weird to me. I'm like, isn't that just that's a

995
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: salt they put in gatorade.

996
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 3: It's because we've lost our way and nobody wants to

997
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 3: drink gatorade anymore because it.

998
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 2: Wants to work.

999
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: No one wants to work and no one wants to

1000
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: drink gatorade. Yeah. Yeah, water isn't that sexy anymore?

1001
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: People like, I mean, it has to be like death

1002
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 2: Liquid or whatever the name of that company, Like they

1003
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: just officially became a geriatric so like this is that's

1004
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 2: a real it's a real thing. That's the electrolyte thing.

1005
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: It can be useful for people like serious athletes, but

1006
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 2: for most of us, regular water is going.

1007
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: To the margins out of hydration like that.

1008
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, you're not. Most people are not becoming like

1009
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: hyponatremik when they're like doing their exercise. But I mean again,

1010
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: it's one of those things where for a long time

1011
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 2: we're just like, Okay, whatever, smart water, that's great.

1012
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it exists.

1013
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: It's the pH on that right right And now now

1014
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 2: I mean again, it's it's it's all I'm starting to

1015
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 2: feel more and more like it's a slippery slope. The

1016
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 2: more we accept sort of like unnecessary stuff, the worst

1017
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 2: the outcomes down the road become so and then we

1018
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 2: end up with someone like RFK, who actually is like

1019
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: a legitimate, you know, candidate. I mean, he's not gonna win,

1020
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,439
Speaker 2: but still he's actually out there and people are hearing

1021
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 2: and listening to his garbage.

1022
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: And but I I'm sorry, I really dislike him, so

1023
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have brought him up. But that's how we

1024
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: get people like that in our lives, right, Yeah, from

1025
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: not being like, no, you're wrong, go leave leave, Yeah, exactly, No, No.

1026
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 2: I'm telling you.

1027
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm telling you about these vaccines. Man, You're like, no,

1028
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 1: you're not telling us ship. Yeah.

1029
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting, Like the doctor Oz like Wager, like

1030
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 2: you know, his argument to himself seemed to be that

1031
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: it was all worth it because he was educating people

1032
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 2: on stuf they wouldn't have normally like been educated about,

1033
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: and it was fine if he like flubbed the margins

1034
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 2: a little bit or like told a couple lies here

1035
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 2: and there, and then you know, we see where that ends,

1036
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 2: and I feel like the whole that's kind of what

1037
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 2: you're describing just across the board a little bit.

1038
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: That's exactly it.

1039
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,399
Speaker 2: And I feel a little bit for for him, because,

1040
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 2: I you know, if you're doing a show every day

1041
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 2: and you have to just start like coming up with

1042
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 2: shit medically, at some point, some of the stuff's gonna

1043
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 2: get questionable. But I mean, you know, he should. He's supposedly,

1044
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: he was supposedly a good doctor. You know, he should that, Like,

1045
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: you can't lose that, and if you do, you have

1046
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: to stop calling yourself doctor Oz, you know, the Oz

1047
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: at that point. So I mean, yeah, but that is

1048
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 2: exactly the That's exactly what happened. I mean he started

1049
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 2: out with him talking about like poop and like he

1050
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 2: was a guy who like taught you, like all of

1051
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 2: our mother is, like what a normal poop shape is

1052
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 2: supposed to be like on the Oprah Winfrey Show, and

1053
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 2: that was like fine, cool, we talked about firebrus, But

1054
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: that was a very slow and gradual descent into nonsense

1055
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 2: and gibberish.

1056
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,959
Speaker 1: To him saying the vagina is like a self cleaning oven,

1057
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: and You're like.

1058
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 2: What is going on?

1059
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: You're saying this many times out loud. Okay, It's weird

1060
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: when he says it. Yeah, yeah, it is like self

1061
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: cleaning oven like you who are you like a Maytag

1062
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: repair person or a doctor?

1063
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 2: Well, well, I'll tell you this. He gets that line

1064
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: maybe from Jen Gunter, who is a very famous and

1065
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 2: I think a really great obi guide, and that is

1066
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 2: a response to like trying to tell people you don't

1067
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: necessarily need to be doing cleanses. It comes down to

1068
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 2: the whole cleansing thing. So so in that sense, I

1069
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 2: think that's where he got it. But then he is

1070
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 2: one of these guys who will, like you know, he'll

1071
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: have people on who are on the fringes of the

1072
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: medical world and want to sell things, and he gives

1073
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 2: them air and he's giving them lots of attention he

1074
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 2: did when he had a show. So yeah, he also

1075
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 2: sucks all the doctors. I can't think of really one

1076
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 2: that's famous online that I'm trying or or TV.

1077
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: That's not doctor feel Good. Yeah, he is the one

1078
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Speaker 1: to call.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Pat the aforementioned doctor Pepper. It's pretty Yeah, it

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Speaker 2: helps helps the healthy nerve, helps you feel created.

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Speaker 1: Did great work overseas. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Is there a subject that you think we've missed that

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Speaker 3: is just something that you come up against like either

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00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 3: a bullshit belief or I know I've heard you talk

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00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 3: about you know. The answer is often like, we don't

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Speaker 3: actually know on a lot of things. You know, something

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Speaker 3: that most people think we definitively know that's more of

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00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 3: a mystery, or yeah, there's probably a lot, but I

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Speaker 3: will say that, you know, because I'm a gast entrologist.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that I get asked a lot

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Speaker 3: about or people will talk to me about, or coffee

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00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 3: enemas and that's the constant bane of my existence. And

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00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 3: if I can use this as a platform to tell

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Speaker 3: people to not get them.

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Speaker 1: I will.

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Speaker 2: I mean, coffee is great. I love coffee. I think

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00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 2: there's actual health benefits to coffee. There's actually some decent ones.

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00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 2: We actually did an episode of our show with one

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Speaker 2: of the weirder ones with a great hepatologist named Elliott

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Speaker 2: Tapper prop the musician and podcaster, Yeah, Deepak Chopper's brother

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00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 2: who is a doctor as well, in studies coffee in

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Speaker 2: a weirdest and there's a lot of health benefits. Yes,

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00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 2: it was an interesting one, and in that that episode

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00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 2: we really covered a lot of the health benefits of it.

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Speaker 2: But there is no added benefit to putting coffee up

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00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 2: your butt and potential harm and not just if it's hot.

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00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 2: It could be some chemical thing in there that irritates

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Speaker 2: your your cold as well.

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Speaker 1: So don't do that. Don't don't do shit like that.

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Speaker 2: Don't just don't do cleanses.

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Speaker 1: I think the first person I heard talking about it

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Speaker 1: like it was a celet. I feel like it was

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00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: like Janet Jackson or some shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're

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00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: like somehow I remember, like in the nineties, it was

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00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: like this one thing. We're like, dude, that celebrity is

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00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: just boofing, just gollons of coffee in their butt, and

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00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 1: that's I think the new way to live or something,

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00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: and it sort of, yeah, became very very popular, very quickly.

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Speaker 1: So so we just stick to only putting alcoholic beverages

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Speaker 1: up our ass, no coffee, and we should ticked away

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00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: your joy.

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Speaker 2: There was another monster, guys. And I do have to say,

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Speaker 2: I feel like I always have to be looks. I'm

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Speaker 2: not totally against things going into butts, Okay, I'm just

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Speaker 2: saying don't put coffee.

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Speaker 1: Work and how you might think yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure,

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00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: all right, and that's just like your medical opinion, man.

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Speaker 3: Doctor cave Hodo. What a pleasure having you on the daily?

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Speaker 3: Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?

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Speaker 2: Find my podcast anywhere you you do podcasting. It's called

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00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 2: the House of Pod. It's uh, you know, humor adjacent

1132
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 2: medical podcast, and uh, you know, I think you like it.

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00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 2: It's not too in the weeds of medicine. And usually

1134
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 2: we have fun guests on, both doctor guests and non

1135
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 2: doctor guests will cover fun topics and have and have

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00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 2: cool conversations.

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Speaker 1: So I I, you know, you'll probably like it.

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Speaker 2: And it's free. So you know, if you don't know,

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Speaker 2: no harm there, right, No, that's free, Like amazing. Is

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Speaker 2: there a work a media that you've been enjoying? You know?

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00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 2: Have you guys ever heard of this band The Thrills?

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Speaker 1: No, nobody has nobody.

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Speaker 2: Here's the deal, Like it sounds like a band I

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00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 2: should know. I'm like, yeah, the yeah Thrills, Right, Okay,

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00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 2: So as Californians, you should appreciate this because I love

1146
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 2: like the concept of surf rock. I enjoy a lot

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00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 2: of surf rock, and I think, in my opinion, my estimation,

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00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 2: the best surf rock California music y sort of band

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00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 2: is this band called the Thrills. They were around the

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Speaker 2: early aughts. I don't think they're around anymore. And they

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00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 2: would sing songs about like Big sur and Santa Cruz

1152
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 2: and they're so rad. Corey Ham they would sing songs

1153
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 2: about Corey Hame, like who else dons that? And like

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00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 2: the best part is there from like Ireland, from like Dublin, California.

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00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 2: And they had like somehow totally figured out the ethos

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Speaker 2: of the California beach community in a way that I

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Speaker 2: just fucking love. So give them a listen. They're called

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Speaker 2: the Thrills. I also say, listen to my friend Rebecca

1159
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 2: Watson's watch her YouTube channel. I think she's the most

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00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 2: underrated science communicator out there right now. And that's that's

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Speaker 2: I guess that's all I got.

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Speaker 3: All right, amazing, Well, thanks again for joining Miles. Where

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Speaker 3: can people find you as their working media you've been enjoying?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, find me on Twitter, Instagram at Miles of Gray.

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00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: You find Jack and I on the basketball podcast Miles

1166
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: and Jack Got Mad Bousies. You can also find us

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00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: on our Enema podcast as well, Mad Booty. Yeah. And

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00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: also if I'm talking to very, they're very upset after

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00:59:55,000 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 1: the Venom tweet tweet, I like is from again. The

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Speaker 1: euro Cup and Copa America concluded over the weekend. Argentina

1171
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Speaker 1: won the Copa America back to back winners, Spain just

1172
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: won the euro Cup, and because there's been so much

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Speaker 1: soccer on TV, this tweet just cracked me up. It's

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Speaker 1: like the the avatar on it is like a like.

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Speaker 1: It looks like a Ted Cruz esque figure behind an

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Speaker 1: American flager in front of American flag. It's at power bottom.

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Speaker 1: Dad One tweeted, after watching five or so soccer games,

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Speaker 1: I'm ninety nine percent sure the entire sport is being

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Speaker 1: played wrong strategically. This feels like such an American Yeah watching, No, No,

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Speaker 1: why are you playing it like that? You should be

1181
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: going for high volume of shots. Man fucking launching that shot.

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Speaker 2: That's me the game, tick shot, shoot shoot the goal,

1183
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Speaker 2: to shoot it right now, right now. Why doesn't the

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Speaker 2: one goal we try and shoot it into the other

1185
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 2: goal every single time? That's like a free throw? Yeah, man,

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Speaker 2: wide open, amazing. You can find me on Twitter at

1187
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 2: Jack Underscore O'Brien a tweet I've been enjoying. Let's take

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01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 2: it back to July twelfth, let's scroll back through. Uh

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01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 2: Sean clements from Hollywood Handbook tweeted, if I ever get

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Speaker 2: introduced to Mia Goth, I'm gonna say Mia too.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was cute.

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Speaker 2: You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeikeeist. Were

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Speaker 2: at v Daily Zeikeeist on Instagram.

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Speaker 3: We have a Facebook fan page on a website Daily

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Speaker 3: zeikeist dot com where we post our episode that our

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Speaker 3: foot no where we link off to the information that

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Speaker 3: we talked.

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Speaker 1: About in today's episode.

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Speaker 2: Well, it is a song that we think you might enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Mile's a song do you think people might enjoy?

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01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: I heard this band over the weekend that was really cool.

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Speaker 1: They're called Balfus, but it's spelled b A L t

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Speaker 1: h v S.

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Speaker 2: You know, hit them on some What do they do

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01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 2: that Rome? When the V was basically it could be

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Speaker 2: like Norwegian? I feel well there was a five in Rome.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, you sneaky devil. You get back from Europe

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Speaker 2: and you're already sonning me like that okay from the

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Speaker 2: Rocky franchise.

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Speaker 1: Sorry man, yeah, I kept calling it Rocky V till

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Speaker 1: someone mean like Rocky.

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Speaker 2: You guys seen Rocky Rakiev.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, they are a Colombian psychedelic band that's like

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Speaker 1: really dope like so they've got a lot of like

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Speaker 1: Middle Eastern side kind of like melodies, but also like

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Speaker 1: Cumbia vibes too, and it's like reminds you of like Krungbin.

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Speaker 1: If you like Krungbin, you're definitely gonna like this band

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Speaker 1: or like that kind of vibe stuff, sort of like

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Speaker 1: psych surfy at times. This is a track called Sun

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Speaker 1: and Moon by Balf, the Colombian psychedelic band that I'm slowly.

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Speaker 2: Starting to fall in love with. So check this going

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Speaker 2: out well.

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Speaker 3: We will link off to that in the footnotes. The

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Speaker 3: Daily does a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from

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Speaker 3: My Heart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio wrapp podcast or

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Speaker 3: wherever fine podcasts will give it away for free. That

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Speaker 3: is going to do it for us this morning, back

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Speaker 3: this afternoon to tell you what is trending, and we

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Speaker 3: will talk to you all then.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye bye