1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: What's up everybody, DJ? Here, Bucky is in a little 3 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: traffic here. We've had some awful fires here in southern 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: California and it's uh had a big impact on the 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: traffic situation. So we're hoping Bucky is going to join 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: us a little bit later on in this episode. But 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: I am fortunate to have our good buddy Lancing air 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: Line with me today. Lance. How you doing, Bud? What's 9 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: up DJ? How are we doing? I'm doing great? Man. 10 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: First of all, you look fantastic. It's been a while 11 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: since I've seen you you. You look like you're in 12 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: fighting shape right now. You're in your You're in your cave. 13 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: You're in your tape cave where you've already been cranking 14 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: on some of these draft prospects. Man, you're looking good. 15 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: New new grade grading scale, our new grading scale, which 16 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: is which is streamlined to the Daniel Jeremiah UH school 17 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: of grading. So yeah, I'm already getting used to putting 18 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: some new grades on players. I'm about twelve players in 19 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: and only eight more to go. We're gonna have a 20 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 1: chance to talk about some of those players. Here uh 21 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: in a little bit today, but I want to start off. 22 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: We'll get to the Monday night game. We'll get your 23 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: thoughts on that. I've a kind of a stinker. Really, 24 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: I don't think I've really cared about the Steelers and 25 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: the Dolphins, although it does have some draft impact with 26 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: the Dolphins finding a way to lose. But I want 27 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: to touch on, uh some news here that's just come out. 28 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: And I don't know by the time you list of 29 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: this the trade deadline, we probably have already come and 30 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: gone and we'll know the answer to this question. But 31 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: it is interesting to me the reports are out there 32 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: that the uh, the New York Jets are considering offers 33 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: for Levan Bell after just having signed him. Obviously, that 34 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: was a previous general manager Mike mcagnan. U Joe Douglas 35 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: is there now this team is a mess, Lance, But 36 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: I'd love to get your take on thoughts there that 37 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: Levian Bell could be gone almost as soon as he arrived. Well, 38 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: I mean you know what I'm I'm of the school 39 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: that if you you want to get it right and 40 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: so or you at least want to be accurate with it, 41 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: and if and if you feel like Okay, we made 42 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: a mistake or the previous regime, it doesn't matter. The 43 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: Jets made a mistake. So it's time to move on. 44 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: And and we're not going to get good value out 45 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: of him based on what we're paying them, and you know, 46 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: and what's coming back and return, then I then I 47 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: give him a lot of credit. I mean, there's a 48 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: lot of general managers who in different sports who will 49 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: say we made a mistake and try to flip that mistake. 50 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: The longer it takes for you to do that, the 51 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: more difficult it gets. So I'm a I'm a proponent 52 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: for it. I mean, if you look at Levian Bell, 53 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: he has not been that successful in terms of the 54 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: output this year and what they're paying him. And I 55 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: know that was a big concern. Uh, Levian Bell had 56 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 1: missed an entire year of football, and you were hoping that, 57 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: you know, you were going to get the same version, 58 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: the best version coming out of Pittsburgh, and that hasn't 59 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: been the case. And you know, and frankly, he hasn't 60 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: had a tremendous health amount of help around him. And 61 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: so the Jets right now, it's kind of like a 62 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: major League Baseball team with a great closer. What do 63 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: you need a closer for if you're not gonna win? 64 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: So I think right now, you you unload that salary, 65 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: you get what you can get back and return, and 66 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: you move forward. Well, first of all, two things. Number 67 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: one is a pottery fan. I feel that because we 68 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: have the best closer in the National League and we're Congress, 69 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: doesn't make a lot of sense there not two as 70 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: I know, Uh, you're a movie buff. And when I 71 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: think about Levan Bell, I think of um the scene 72 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: from Goodwill Hunting when Robin Williams just keeps telling him 73 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: it's not your fault. I don't know where you're still. 74 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: They're so bad, They're so bad upfront, it's not gonna work. 75 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: And that, to me, um is the number one thing 76 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: with this team, which leads me into another point here. 77 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: Um I, I tweeted out, I think, look, priority number 78 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: one for this New York Jets team. You better address 79 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: the offensive line. Collect as many assets as you can. 80 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: They just traded Leonard Williams end up getting two picks there, 81 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: one in each of the next two drafts, which I 82 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: believe end up being a three and a four. If 83 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: Leonard Williams ends up resigning with the Giants, which I 84 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: imagine would happened. Um, so you're just trying to collect 85 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: as many assets. They need five new starters up front, 86 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: in my opinion, five new starters, So collecting as many 87 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: picks as you can, which gets me to this next thought. Here, 88 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with the Jets remainder of the year. 89 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: I don't see them winning many games. But what I 90 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: mentioned addressing the offensive line to try and save Sam 91 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: Donald because that's getting scary right now, is as much 92 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: as he's getting hit and as poor really as he's playing, um, 93 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: that can start to spiral. So you've got to address that, 94 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: which leads to my next point. We'll get to the 95 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: college kids. Chase Young, it is the best player in 96 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: college football. I think we'd be on the same page there. 97 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: I don't know anybody would really uh disagree with that take. 98 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: But if you're the New York Jets, this would be 99 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: a fascinating situation. Say they're picking two or three quarterbacks 100 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: go ahead of them, and they're sitting there on the 101 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: clock with Chase Young. Priority number one is fixing the 102 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: offensive line. But this is a you know, this is 103 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: a generational type pass rusher, which you know a lot 104 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: of times you say you never would trade off that, 105 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 1: but man, you might have a you might be in 106 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 1: a situation where you could get a king's ransom for 107 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: that pick for people trying to come up to get 108 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: Chase Young. So then you're gonna have a decision if 109 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: you're Joe Douglas, do I sit here and take Chase Young? 110 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: We need pass rushers, it fills a huge need for us. 111 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: Or is this a is this a big time chip 112 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: that you end up trading down collecting a tremendous hall 113 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: of picks and use those picks to try and save 114 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: your quarterback and improve that offensive line. That would be 115 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: a tough decision. Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't 116 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: think there's an answer. You don't have an answer until 117 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: the situation arises. And you can judge every situation by 118 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: what it you know, what it truly represents. So it's 119 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: easy to sit here and say I would never do 120 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: that with a generational talent at pass rusher. I know 121 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: that's you know, one of the thoughts that's typically gonna 122 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: be out there is you don't that's something that you 123 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: cover it until however, however, I mean, you have so 124 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: many holes right now. If you're the Jets and this 125 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: looks like it's gonna be a pretty decent especially tackle draft, 126 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: it looks like there's gonna be some decent talent in there. 127 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: It depends on a couple of guys end up coming 128 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: out early. But if they do, and you know, in 129 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: most years, pretty good players come out early. Um, it's 130 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: interesting because if you depending on what's offered to you, 131 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: and I think that the Laramie Trump Tuncil trade and 132 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: the and the Jalen Ramsey trades have maybe set a 133 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: new standard for what the trade value is gonna be 134 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: for non quarterbacks, and if that ends up being the case, 135 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: then I think you you have to at least consider 136 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: it based on what's on the board and how you 137 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: have the board rated. Because the Jets are not one 138 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: pass rusher away. There are a lot further away that 139 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: offensive side. As you said, you know, the Cults were 140 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: lucky to to take care of Andrew Luck very very 141 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: quickly with Quentin Nelson. Brandon Smith was you know, was 142 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: a hit, and then Mark Lewinsky they kind of they 143 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: kind of fell into Mark Lewinsky was a great job 144 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: at the Pro Personnel Department, to find a talented player, 145 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: they would kind of falling through the cracks and uh, 146 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: but but you know they also had Ryan Kelly and 147 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: Anthony Costanzo to work with. Already gonna say they had 148 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: they had some foundational pieces. They have nothing. They don't 149 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: have anything. That's why I think this job is gonna 150 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: be much tougher than what Ballard had to do. Oh, 151 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: I know, I think it's I think I think Joe 152 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: is in for a much tougher job because he is 153 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 1: going first and foremost, he's got to help Sam Donald 154 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: because I think Sam Donald is mentally tough and can 155 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: handle and weather the tough times. But you've got to 156 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: give him some help. I mean, you know the scene 157 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: ghost thing, that doesn't bother me. It's just him being 158 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: honest with himself. And that was caught on tape. And 159 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: you can argue whether or not that should have ever 160 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: you know, been been been out as as a live mind. 161 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: But but I do feel like I think Sam Donald 162 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: can handle this situation. The big concern I have is, look, 163 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: you got to give him at least three players who 164 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: can step in and help. And I'll tell you what, 165 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: it's been interesting here in Houston watching Max Sharping, who 166 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: was a second round pick, uh play left guard from 167 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: tackle Northern Illinois. You know Titus Howard, who was the 168 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: first round pick, moved over to the right tackle spot 169 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: after Laramie Tunsel got here. I'm telling you, when all 170 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: those guys, all three of those guys Tounsel, Sharping, and 171 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: Howard have been in the lineup together with Zach Fulton 172 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: and Nick Martin, they've actually been pretty good with pass pro. 173 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: They actually have fixed it, I I believe when they're healthy. 174 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: And that's what to two rookies. So I do think 175 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: that the Jets can get a lot better. But but 176 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: I also think it's probably gonna take a veteran, at 177 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: least one, maybe two veteran free agents. You're gonna have 178 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: to spend some money and then how much draft capital 179 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: are you willing to spend? And to your point, if 180 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: you have additional draft capital, it does make it easier. 181 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: If that is your number one priority is helping Sam Donald, 182 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: we'll help me with this. Talking about the Houston team, 183 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: you know very well Laramie Tounsl obviously traded a couple 184 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: of first round picks, so that's a big investment. You 185 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: got a first round pick in Titus Howard the second 186 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: rounder right and sharping Nick Martin was what a second 187 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: or third round pick? I think he was a second 188 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: I believe, Yeah. I mean these are first and second 189 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: round picks. These are major investments. So that to me 190 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: where it makes the case. It. Man, if you're the 191 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: Jets trying to collect as many of those assets as 192 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: you can, um to go ahead and get that addressed, 193 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: it seems like would be the smart thing to do. Yeah, 194 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: But I mean, all of a sudden, if he's if 195 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: you've got Khalil Mack and you've traded Khalil Mack for 196 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: a couple of guys, you don't hit on it. That 197 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: s where DJ I feel. I feel very strongly that 198 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: I recognize that there seems to be a new NFL, 199 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: at least in some circles with the way the Rams 200 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: and the and the Texans are dealing with this, where 201 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: they're saying, look, we're gonna trade the potential of picks 202 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: for the now and players, and I get that, but 203 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,359 Speaker 1: eventually you have to grow your own to have a 204 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: sustainable product. And you know when a control it is, 205 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: It is cost control, it really is. But the other 206 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: problem is if you miss on those draft picks. If 207 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: you're not good with your evaluations, that's a big problem. 208 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: So if you trade Chase Young for potential players and 209 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: then you miss on the evaluations, you're gonna look really bad. 210 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: If you trust your evaluations in your process, then you know, 211 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: then then you stack picks and you don't worry about it. No. 212 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: I absolutely want to get more on that topic here 213 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: in just a second, real quick, Just one thought, any 214 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: you have one thought on that Pittsburgh Miami game. To me, 215 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: I thought the big takeaway was Minca Fitzpatrick. Mika Fitzpatrick's 216 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: twenty two years old. So while the Steelers may still 217 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: end up with a potentially a top ten pick, I 218 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: don't know that they would get a better player than 219 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: the one they got. Nicka Fitzpatrick two picks against his 220 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: former team last night. I think he's got a chance 221 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: to be a great player in this league. Didn't you 222 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: feel like he was a great stealer too? I mean 223 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: he did some of the things that look he was 224 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: he was a slot corner and I get that. But 225 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: he's smart, he's tough, um he he he just he's 226 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: he's got tremendous football character and he really has that 227 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: good football I Q where he he is that um, 228 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: he is that Swiss Army knife. And while I'm not 229 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: saying he's Troy Paula Malu by any wretch of the imagination, 230 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: I think he gives just some of that same versatility 231 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: and flexibility. And he seemed like a great fit with 232 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: the Steelers. It was just we knew that it probably 233 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna get you know, he wouldn't get to the 234 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: Steelers in that particular draft. That's just such a great 235 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: pick up for the Steelers to get a Steeler type 236 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: of player um from another team for what I thought 237 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: was a reasonable price tag. I thought they did a 238 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: great job, and no doubt, I don't have anything to 239 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: say about the Dolphins. Good luck in the draft that 240 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: so I got for the Dolphins. I know Cincinnati. Cincinnati 241 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: was very invested in that game. Watch in that game 242 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: until the Dolphins blew that fourteen point lead. I want 243 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: to get to the quarterbacks here in just a second 244 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: of the last couple of drafts. But before we do that, 245 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: I want to take a quick detour and go to 246 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: a different sport here in your town there in Houston. Um, look, 247 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: Houston Astros have had it like it was a big 248 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: mess that they were in the last couple of weeks 249 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: with a really dumb, dumb comment at dumb situation by 250 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: their assistant general manager. He's since been let go and fired. 251 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: It was a stain on their organization, a bad, bad look. 252 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: But I want to put that to the side here 253 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: for a second and just look at this Organization's got 254 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: a chance to win their second World Series in three years. 255 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 1: And I'm always fascinating looking outside the football world, and 256 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: I went back and and read the book astro Ball 257 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: over the last week because I was just fascinating to 258 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: learn about how they acquired players and what they're able 259 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: to do. So I want to get your insight on that, particularly, Uh, 260 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: this one aspect of the book. They spent a lot 261 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: of time talking about Carlos Beltron and when they brought 262 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 1: him at age forty, I think it was I mean, 263 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: this is the tail end of his career before that 264 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen season, and it talked about how he 265 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: really kind of brought that clubhouse together with the Latin 266 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: American or the Latin players, the American players kind of 267 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: just really was a uh somebody kind of a galvaniaac 268 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: Force and talked about how he worked so well with 269 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: their younger players. Uh, he was great at identifying pictures, 270 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: tells and talked, tells a story about you, Darvish. And 271 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: now he found what he was doing moving the ball 272 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: around in his glove. He knew what pitch was coming. 273 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: They teed off on him in the World Series. But 274 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: it got me thinking, you know, we spent so much 275 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: time talking about the draft and getting those players right, 276 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: but man, on championship teams, you've got to have some 277 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: veterans that are in used in your younger players. I 278 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: think that's super important. And one of the things, you know, 279 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: the Astros had some good young players, and they had 280 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: a lively young locker room, and they had Club Astros 281 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: where every time they would win, George Springer would turn 282 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: on music that they kind of got that going well, 283 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: you know. And and that's the interesting part is is 284 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: they they actually had so they actually had Club Astros 285 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: before Beltron got there. And I think Beltron got there Brian, 286 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 1: So they had two veterans. Brian McCann was the dad, right, 287 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: He was the dad who came in and like, hey, 288 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: don't throw water on my face after a home run. 289 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: Beltron was the guy who was the cool one, and 290 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: Beltron was the cool uncle that that everyone liked to 291 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,599 Speaker 1: hang with. And but I think the other thing is 292 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: that you make a really good point. The Astros knew 293 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: what they were getting with Carlos Beltron was he was 294 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: They were getting a guy that could bring the locker 295 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: room together, but could also teach the young players. He 296 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: could bring them into the next transition of growth, which 297 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: was becoming real professionals and winning professionals. It's one thing 298 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: to have a lively group of talented players, but learning 299 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: how to win and learning how to be pros it's 300 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: something that Carlos Beltron really helped with. And I think 301 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: I think there is absolutely something to be said for that, 302 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: because those are the guys that aren't typically not going 303 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: to produce at a great level of production wise, but 304 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: in every sport, those are chemistry guys who you hope 305 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: that you interject that can really I think unlocked the 306 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: potential of a team. And for the Astros, they I 307 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: think they hit it out of the ballpark. And I 308 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: mean it was a combination of grow your own talent 309 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: with smart veteran additions and then of course they were smart, 310 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: you know, before trade deadline with with Justin Verlander, and 311 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: then it became Garrett Cole in the offseason. So I 312 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: think the way the Astros have built UM is fascinating. 313 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: It's it's there's a wide variety of topics that you 314 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: can get into in terms of how they're doing it really, 315 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: especially versus how the other teams in Houston are doing it. 316 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: And I got me thinking about two recent Super Bowl winners, 317 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: and I thought about our sorry Super Bowl participants. I 318 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: should say the Rams did end up winning that game, 319 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: but you look at Andrew Whitworth with a team with 320 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: a bunch of young talent, you get a veteran presence 321 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: in there, the impact that he had on that Rams team. 322 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: And then I think about Philadelphia Eagles UM and a 323 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: guy like Chris Long. You know, he he was a 324 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: key member there the Patriots. While the stats don't necessarily 325 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: blow you away, but that veteran presence I think served 326 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: the Eagles quite well and their Super Bowl run as well. Look, 327 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: the Patriots have got there, they've got their veteran he's 328 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: been taking snaps, he's doing pretty good. Uh So I 329 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: don't think they necessarily needed that component but I do 330 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: think that translates from baseball to football, and uh, well 331 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: I have a chance down the road talk a little 332 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: bit more about that. You know, how you build a 333 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: baseball team versus how you build a football team, because 334 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: I'm I'm fascinated by it. But Lance, I want to 335 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: get to these quarterbacks are the last couple of draft classes. 336 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: Just your takeaways. Let's go back to seen a draft 337 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: where uh, you know, leading up to that draft for thinking, okay, 338 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: just wait foreen, that's the better group. Obviously seventeen with 339 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: DeShawn Watson, Um and Mahomes has been outstanding. But a 340 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: couple other quarterbacks in that class de Sean Kaiser long 341 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: since forgotten about and Mitchell Robinski, who in Chicago right now. 342 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: It's uh, it's not a great marriage right now between 343 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: him and Matt Naggy. No, it's been disappointing because he 344 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: took a step forward and now it's been to step 345 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: back this year and that's been really disappointed if you're 346 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: a Chicago Bears fan. But you know, when you look 347 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: at seventeen, I think if you had come after last year, 348 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: you could have made the argument, Okay, Pat Mahomes is 349 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: clearly going to be the best quarterback out of this class. 350 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: But maybe Mitchell Trobinsky now is moving forward and has 351 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: a chance to surpass Deshaun Watson, and that doesn't look 352 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: like it's gonna happen. And I still think the book 353 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: is is open on Trabisky. The book's not in on 354 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: Trabisky yet. But but we know that it's Mahomes and 355 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: we know it's Deshaun Watson, and I don't think there's 356 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: any way you could argue that it's it's gonna be 357 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: anyone else in the one in two spots. Um when 358 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: it's all said and done. You know what, I what 359 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: I find interesting DJ something I did when I looked 360 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: at seventeen and eighteen. And I don't want to get 361 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: too far ahead, but when you look at Pat Mahomes, 362 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: I wouldn't call him a runner with two hundred seventy 363 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: three yards rushing last year, but he is. He can scramble. 364 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: He is an effective scrambler, and Mitchell Trobisky is an 365 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: effective scrambler to Deshaun Watson is a tremendous playmaker. But 366 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: Mahomes has that rare ability, you know, I mean, he's 367 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: a he's a fantastic pocket quarterback who can really make 368 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: a lot of plays and and special throws on the move. 369 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: Watson is a play extender who can make things happen, 370 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: who's getting better from the pocket, but we know he's 371 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: exceptionally dangerous with his feet. Mitchell Trabinsky is not as 372 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: dangerous running. I mean, he's not a running threat per se, 373 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: although he can scramble and help his team, but he 374 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: hasn't hit the threshold of making plays or becoming a 375 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: competent pocket passer. And it's got to be one or 376 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: the other. If you're not gonna be able to run, um, 377 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: if you can run with the football boy, the transition, 378 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: as we're seeing now, the transition, and this leads into 379 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: the two thousand eighteen class with Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen. 380 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: These two guys, because they can get out of the 381 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,119 Speaker 1: pocket and do damage even when they are off as throwers, 382 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: they are still having big impacts on the game because 383 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: they're so good running the ball. Lamar is the best 384 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: runner I've ever seen. I mean, he's a running back 385 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: caliber runner, and Josh Allen is like watching you know, 386 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: I know Bucky used it before, maybe you too. But 387 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: the the Cam Newton as a runner. I mean, it's 388 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: it's viable, um, at least earlier Cam Newton in his career. 389 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: But my gosh, if you're not throwing the ball well 390 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: and you can get out on the perimeter and do 391 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: damage like this, it really makes your transition into the 392 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: league way easier. And you see how these guys are 393 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: acclimating into the league faster. Now, I don't know that 394 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: that's necessarily. At some point, you gotta learn to win 395 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: from the pocket, at least to an extent, and then 396 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: at some point you also are gonna be worried about, 397 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: you know, injury if you're always running. But for right now, 398 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's really it's I mean, you gotta 399 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: look at Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen is the guys that 400 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: that are the most consistent out of this group. And 401 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: it's hard to say that, but Baker Mayfield has back 402 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: slid this year. Yeah. You know, It's something we've talked 403 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: about on this podcast before too, is that as a 404 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: young player, UM, being able to use your legs is 405 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: going to make that transition easier, and then as you 406 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: get more experience and knowledge, you can start beating people 407 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: with your brain. You can start being able to figure 408 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: out where everything is coming from because you've seen it. 409 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: But it's hard to be able to do that until 410 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: you acquire that experience. And Russell Wilson is really the 411 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: textbook case. I mean, somebody that moved around, ran around 412 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: a lot more early on, and then really really developed 413 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: and grew and now he knows what everybody's doing. Uh defensively, 414 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: he's seen it and he can dissect you from the pocket. 415 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: But in that transitional period, being able to use your 416 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: legs get yourself out of some trouble until you be 417 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: able to figure out what's going on upstairs. I think 418 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: it's a huge, huge advantage. And I think we've seen 419 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: that pretty much all the guys. It. It's it's hard 420 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: to find just a pure, pure pocket passer that's having 421 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: success that's entered into the league. You've got to be 422 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: able to move around a little bit, no question. I 423 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: tell you. What's interesting to me though, is because I 424 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: look at football is kind of like baseball, where baseball 425 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: has had some fundamental changes and how they approach things. Um, 426 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: there's a belief now and you know obviously the home 427 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: run and and playing station to station ball, UM changing 428 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: launch angles as hitters, and you know it's okay to 429 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: strike out because if you hit home runs, Uh, the 430 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: strikeout doesn't really matter, it's an out, but the home run, 431 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: you know, creates runs. I mean they fundamentally. Analytics has 432 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: helped change, I think the thought process in baseball and 433 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: how they handle it. But when I was riding up 434 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, all I could think of, and I think 435 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: I have a mention of this in his UM in 436 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: his scouting profile is he is a lot like that 437 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: home run hitter where you can live with strikeouts from 438 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, strikeouts meaning high and completion percentage. You don't 439 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: want to throw. You know, you don't want a bunch 440 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: of turnovers interceptions, but you can live with the lower 441 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: completion percentage because he hits so many home runs. He's 442 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: gonna head home runs. And I would rather have that 443 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: home run hitter in today's NFL with a little lower 444 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: completion percentage than a guy who's throwing like a Derek Carr. 445 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: It really is. It's it's points per play, and that's 446 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: what it's about. It's about chunk plays and and you 447 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: have to understand that when you grab a guy, how 448 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: does he create chunk plays for himself, and if it's 449 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: just from the pocket, then all of a sudden, he 450 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: becomes and especially if he's not exceptionally mobile, he becomes 451 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: beholden to the offensive line the talent of the wide 452 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: receivers to create open throws instead of tight window throws. 453 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: And you know, if you've got a guy who can 454 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: make plays on his own, like Deshaun Watson like, uh, 455 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: Josh Allen like. But I think DeShawn and and Lamar 456 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: Jackson are doing it at a little different level. I mean, 457 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, a fourth quarter, after three 458 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: bad quarters, they can still elevate a team to a win. Yeah. 459 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: The thing with Lamar is what's it's I think this 460 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: was a little bit of trouble with him coming out, 461 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 1: is that some of his misses are just bad, bad missus. 462 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: Where you'll see a ball skip five yards in front, 463 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 1: We'll see a ball stale ten yards over somebody's head, 464 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,239 Speaker 1: but that's still just one in completion. So it's one 465 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: in completion. And then all of a sudden you've got 466 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: magical plays where he throws beautiful balls down the field 467 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: and and it's play good enough. So I think the 468 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,719 Speaker 1: uh you know, trying to train your eyes. It's almost 469 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: like be a batter who just has you know, swings 470 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 1: at one that's three ft out of the strikes and 471 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: you just go, oh, this guy has he has no 472 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:57,959 Speaker 1: you know, doesn't see the ball, has no discipline at 473 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: the plate. Well, that's just one strikeout. It's no different. 474 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: The guy just swung right through one that was right 475 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: down the middle. So you've got to kind of put 476 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: that in context, and then you have the the spectacular 477 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: plays that help off set it. I've always said the 478 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: same thing with wide receivers. We talked about this all 479 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: the time we run up to the draft. Guys got 480 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: some drops. Well t O had some drops to a 481 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: bunch of drops, but then he'd offset that with unbelievable 482 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: spectacular plays and run after catch and and hitting home runs. 483 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: So you live with some of those drops because he 484 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: gives you, you know, those special plays. You gotta be 485 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: able to offset that. Now you get in trouble when 486 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: you're a guy who can't. You know, when you get 487 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: a guy who's missing some throws and then has no 488 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: big plays to offset it, then you've got a problem. Yeah, 489 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: you need to find the look. If you're gonna have 490 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: somebody who has who's deficient in an area, then they 491 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: need to be a real plus in another area. Um, 492 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: Andre Johnson Here in Houston. Every year we had to 493 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: live watching and covering the Texans. You had to live 494 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: with a lot of Andre Johnson drops. That was just 495 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: going to be what it was. But he made so 496 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: many plays that you know it really it made up 497 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: for it. Now. Turnovers are a different You know, turnovers 498 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,239 Speaker 1: can kill the team's chances to win, but every once 499 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: while you get a guy like bred Farv who you know, 500 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: he's the rare exception of a guy who really had 501 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: high turnover numbers and really debilitating turnovers that could really, 502 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: you know, hurt your chances of winning sometime, but he 503 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: also could individually win games. I don't know about you, 504 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: and you've been doing this for a long time, and 505 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: you you follow other sports as well, and I know 506 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: Bucky does too, But I really like stepping outside of 507 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: the NFL or college football to find Um. I'm not 508 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: not player comps, but if I already have something kind 509 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: of figured out on another sport, or they haven't figured 510 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: out in their sport, and you can take that knowledge 511 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: into what you do, I just think it helps to 512 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: look and to kind of cleanse your filter a little bit. Absolutely. 513 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: Actually was just in Chicago and had dinner with Ricky Oldchick, 514 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: who's now the assistant general manager of the new Seattle 515 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: team up in the NHL, and we had you know, 516 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: we we sat there for an hour over dinner and 517 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: just talking comparing uh, you know, the different sports and 518 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: what a fun challenge he has. This guy is gonna 519 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: get a chance to be a part of building an 520 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: expansion franchise where they started to scratch and really build 521 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: up a roster. So I'm always trying to learn and 522 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: pull from from those other sports real quick lance. This 523 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: current group of rookie quarterbacks, what have you seen? What 524 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: do you like? Well, I've been, um, you know, I 525 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: think right now when you look at how the rookies 526 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: are are playing, let me see, I'm i gotta get 527 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: my mind. I'm right, it's really is It's right. It's Daniel. Yeah, 528 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: I've been going through all my quarterback Sorry, so Kyler really, well, 529 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: we're off on Haskins right now. We're gonna wait, We're 530 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: gonna wait a little while on Haskins and see how 531 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: that goes. I felt like this is a red shirt year. 532 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: It is a red shirt year. We felt like Daniel 533 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: Jones might be the most pro ready. Look who is 534 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: one of the most pro pro ready, but then Kyler 535 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: Murray and I didn't want to let Kyler Murray slip 536 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: into our other discussion. But he belongs there to an 537 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: ability to win with his arm and his legs. Even 538 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,719 Speaker 1: though they don't have a great offensive line, what do 539 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: you know he's able to to really help that offense. 540 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: And I've been I'll tell you what, I've been very 541 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised the really tough Week one matchup against Detroit, 542 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: where I thought Detroit should have had them beat relatively handily, 543 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, they came back and they 544 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: got back in that game. But ever since then, they've 545 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: had some ups and downs, but there's been a little 546 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: bit more level of consistency until this week. And I 547 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: think Kyler Murray um the stage is just not too 548 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: big for him. The NFL feels very comfortable for him. 549 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, I still feel the same way DJ most 550 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: pro ready, a guy who, if everything's right around him, 551 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: I think can be a pretty good quarterback in the NFL. 552 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: I just question how high, uh the ceiling is for him? 553 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: I wonder if there's a little bit of a glass ceiling. 554 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: We'll we'll see how that goes with Haskins total red 555 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: shirt year. Has to learn the game more, and he's 556 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: not in a very good situation. Frankly. I mean I 557 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: would wait to surround him with with better skill position players, 558 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: frankly before I threw him out to the Wolves. Personally, 559 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: that's what I would do. And Gardner minshew, oh my gosh, Gardeners. 560 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: So I remember talking to Mike Leach about this, and 561 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: you know, Mike Leach, it was a longer conversation and 562 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: like Leech made the comment, they they tend to be 563 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: a little longer and it's fun talking football coach Leach. 564 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: But he was very honest with me and said, look, 565 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: he's the smartest quarterback I've had. He is one of 566 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: the most talented, if not the most talented. You're gonna 567 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: be sorry if you don't pay closer attention to him. 568 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: And I remember really liking the tape and then this 569 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: is what, boy, the arm is just okay, And I 570 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: started finding oh, he's not real big, and I don't 571 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: remember him having a very good senior ball, if I 572 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: remember correctly, where he just kind of was who home, 573 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 1: which a lot of guys are whole home. In that game, 574 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: he didn't necessarily stand out at the at the combine. 575 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: And so now all of a sudden that tape that 576 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: I saw where he's smart makes good decisions, was very 577 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: good with placement and ball accuracy. I know for a fact, 578 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: just like you do. I'm talking about some really important 579 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: intangibles for a quarterble or tangibles and intangibles for a quarterback, 580 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: and Gardner had that. And yet here I am his size, 581 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: his arm isn't great, and when I watched him on 582 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: the quarterback on the field, now do J I don't 583 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: know about you, but I feel pretty confident that Gardner 584 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: Minsho's gonna be a good NFL quarterback. Like I don't 585 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 1: have a lot of doubt about that starter. Well, I mean, 586 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: look at the numbers right now, thirteen touchdowns, two picks. 587 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: I mean he's playing great football. He's playing on time, 588 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: making plays off schedule. I do think when you look 589 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,959 Speaker 1: at at that offensive line now with Cam Robinson when 590 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: he's healthy, is a really good young left tackle. Juwan 591 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: Taylor has done a nice job that right tackle they 592 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: have Norwell at guard. They've invested, they've got a lender 593 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: is a good player, They've got some good guys up front. 594 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: Uh and that's really helped with his development, which again 595 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: it's a chicken or egg thing, right do you get 596 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: the quarterback and then try and build around him or 597 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: do you build up all the infrastructure and then dropped 598 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: the quarterback in at the last second. It's it's two 599 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: different ways to go about it. I mean, I think obviously, 600 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: if you if you love a quarterback, you just go 601 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: ahead and taken. But there is man would have benefit 602 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 1: for a guy that gets plopped into a place where 603 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: they've made that investment. Or I also think that he's 604 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: mentally tough enough to handle it too. And I think 605 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew has helped make d J Chark a better, 606 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: better wide receiver. G DJ took Chark at a lot 607 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: of talent. Imagine that a wide receiver from l Shoe 608 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: with talent who develops into pros. But but like we've 609 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: seen that before, but DJ chart to me had all 610 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: of the type of I look at him and Darius 611 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: Slayton is another rookie over there with Daniel Jones with 612 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: the Giants, where two guys who had very similar um 613 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I had Shark as my 614 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: comp for for Darius Slayton. And now they've got some 615 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are with anticipation, that have understanding of you know, 616 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: of the passing concepts, and they're able to take those 617 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: those gifts, those physical gifts and turn them into translatable 618 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: NFL production. And and I think d J. Chark has 619 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: really helped out Minshew. But on the flip side, Minshew 620 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 1: is playing like a veteran quarterback in terms of how 621 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: he takes care of the football, and I think it's 622 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: really helped d J. Chart. All right, let's get to 623 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: uh some college kids here real quick. I know you 624 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: went to l s U. Texas, correct, I did? You're 625 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: gonna bring up Row just watching that what, Well, we're 626 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: gonna go Joe Burrow, go doubt, But I just want 627 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: to generalize at first, just seeing that game, most impressive 628 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: player on the field that game was who oh oh man? 629 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: Um Well, I mean I think it was Joe Burrow. 630 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, because I had such low 631 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: expectations for Joe Burrow, um at based on what I 632 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: saw this summer. It has to be Joe Burrow, but 633 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: the wide receiver Chase Um He and and and even 634 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 1: Stingly at that time, number twenty four the corner boy. 635 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was fantastic as well. They had two 636 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: wide receivers and it wasn't delp It so much. And 637 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: I was most excited about Delpa, but man Stingly started 638 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: really showing up. The two wide receivers, as you mentioned, 639 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: looked really really good. Um and number twenty two the 640 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: their running back. His I remember getting on the field 641 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: and watching Um all these players you know in pre 642 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: in pre game, you know, how did you want to 643 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: go down and see what they look like? Just get 644 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: a feel for him when you're on the field, and 645 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: he really felt different than the other running backs that 646 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: they had. He had a feel to them. Twenty two 647 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: and Uh, I've just been really impressed with how he's 648 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: progressed as well. Um. They have tremendous talent at wide 649 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: receiver and then the cornerback. As a young kids. He's 650 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: a freshman. We won't talk at him for a while 651 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: as ADRASTI prospect, but Stingley is really really talented. Um 652 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: and delp Its talented as well. But the guy that 653 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: stood out to me was Joe Burrow. And I watched 654 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow this summer. I remember on my notes that 655 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: I wrote my big concern with him and this is, 656 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: you know, he's a smart, smart player. I noticed that 657 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: he does a good job of looking off safeties. There 658 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: was a lot of intangible stuff that I put in 659 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: a pros and the negative stuff NFL arm and there's that, 660 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: you know, And all of a sudden, I'm starting to 661 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: worry about the arm talent, and I'm worried about And 662 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: now I go back and I look at Minshew and 663 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: I look at Burrow, and I'm watching him this year 664 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: with a different offense and a different coach um, and 665 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: I start to realize, is this is gonna be the 666 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: same situation now. I'm not I want to wait until 667 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: I see all the game tape on Joe Burrow, but 668 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: I do know that I've seen enough of him in person, 669 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: uh and on television and a little bit on tape 670 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: that uh, he's a different guy this year. And what 671 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: I thought of him over you know, at the end 672 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: of of last year when I watched him on tape 673 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: and I thought maybe a late round pick, Maybe that's dead. 674 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: I mean, he's a he's a completely different guy. I 675 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: knew about the toughness. I knew I didn't expect him 676 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: to throw this accurately. I think he's throwing the ball 677 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: really accurately, accurately and with better placement. And this I 678 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: think this also speaks in DJ, you're better to I 679 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: think you're better to talk about this than I am you. 680 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: It really can be difficult to project a player from 681 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: one scheme to another scheme. Tom Brady is a great 682 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: example with Michigan and then going to what they became 683 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: in New England. Joe Burrow has the same thing where 684 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: he went for that pro style, you know, attack with 685 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: with L s U and now all of a sudden 686 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: they spread it out and this guy is really shining 687 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: in the new offense, no doubt. And I go back 688 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: to what I had written here before the season. I 689 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: did that quarterback tears and he was coming into this season. 690 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: This was based off guys I was talking to around 691 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: the league. I had him uh as the sixth quarterback. 692 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: Now he's climbed way up from from from the beginning 693 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: of the season. But this was the quote that I 694 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: had from an executive said Burrow was interesting. He's very competitive, 695 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: this is a big year for him. I think he's 696 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: a lot better than people think he could be a 697 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: fast riser. So that was kind of the vibe on 698 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: him failed in August when guys were rolling through there 699 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: and he wasn't fully healthy. Last year. Is moving around 700 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: a lot better. His arm, in my opinion, is good enough. 701 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: I don't think he has a huge arm. I was 702 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: actually just talking to somebody just went through there and 703 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: I said, give me your take on his just his 704 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: pure arm strength. He said, it's fine, it's good enough. 705 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: He doesn't have a huge arm, but it's good enough. 706 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: But accurate, tough, smart, can move around enough. Um, yeah, 707 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: he's definitely he's definitely moving up now. Leadership saying, well, 708 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: was he surpassed twa? Yeah? Has he gone past two? 709 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, pump the brakes on that. You 710 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: know too, has got a long track record of playing 711 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: at a very high level, so I don't need necessarily 712 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: think he's done that. But I do think he's leap 713 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: frogged Jake from this year. I think that was h 714 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: That might not have been the case before the season started, 715 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: but I think he is gonna end up going ahead 716 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: of Jake from well I want to watch, you know, 717 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to. I want to watch it all. 718 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: But but they're asking him to put the team on 719 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,479 Speaker 1: his back and all the production on his back, and 720 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: he's doing it, and he's consistent of it. From. You know, 721 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: I like a lot of things about From, but I 722 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: think Burrow may have a better arm than From, to 723 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: be honest with you. And and the other thing with 724 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: From is they don't ask him too you know, he's 725 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: really more of a game manager over there. Nothing. Yeah, 726 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: they got a great offensive line, but there's nothing wrong 727 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: with being a game manager in the NFL. There's nothing 728 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: wrong with that. Drafting game managers. But game managers are 729 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: typically not going to be um high draft picks. I mean, 730 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: you don't want them to be, because then they start 731 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: to rely on a lot of things being right around them, 732 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: and that's hard to get. If you're drafting in the 733 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: top ten, you're gonna have a lot of holes. All right, 734 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: last question for it, I'm gonna let you go. Um, 735 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: the as you've said right now, you only only dozen 736 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: players are so in, but you've seen, you know, watching 737 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: a lot of college college football. Just a general feel 738 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: right now for this group coming up, just give me 739 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: a position you think is gonna be pretty deep. Oh, 740 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: I would say, I think this is actually as I 741 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: mentioned it earlier. I think the offensive tackle spot is 742 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: gonna be pretty good. I think there is you know, 743 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a little better cornerback, Uh, Prince Tiga, 744 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: that's hack Yeah, a little bit not um. I looked 745 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: at him this summer and then I watched him in UM. 746 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: I watched him just this last week. I was paying 747 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: a little closer attention to him. I'm part of the 748 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: Joe Moore Award UM selection committee, so we watched these 749 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: offensive lines and he's actually showed a lot of improvement. 750 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: I think, you know, last year, he really struggled last 751 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: year with Jared stood him, the entire offensive line did. 752 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: But this year he's been much better. Their offensive line 753 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: has played much better. And uh, I think he's really 754 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: helped himself this year. And that's why you can't close 755 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: the book on players too early. Joe Burrow is a 756 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: grand example and obviously Antiguas as a really good Baker 757 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: right and Baker had played well the year before, but 758 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: I think when he stacked it with another with a 759 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: win at Ohio State against both and all that talent. 760 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: That was like whoa, that was a woe moment, and 761 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: then he continued to do it even into the playoffs. 762 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: So UM, now I think I think cornerbacks got a 763 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: chance to be a little bit better. Um, there are 764 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: going to be some We got obviously an elite pass 765 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: rusher potentially in this draft. And then the tackle position, 766 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: the offensive tackle. It's been a while since we said 767 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: we could you know, we expected the tackles. Okay, this 768 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: is the year DJ and then the earliest was uh 769 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: was Williams from UH Alabama. And then you had Taylor 770 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: slide and you had Dillard slide and so Jonah was 771 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 1: the guy at what number nine with with uh number ten? Yeah, yeah, 772 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: and uh this year I think we may see because 773 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: I there's Walker Little who sort of Standford the Louisville 774 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: kid is a man, is a massive player which tremendous power. Uh, 775 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: there's a tackle out of Iowa from Worth's Yeah, and 776 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: we gotta see if he comes out as well. But 777 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: if these guys come out, it's gonna be a pretty 778 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: deep tackle draft. And and I news this just in. 779 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 1: The Texas traded two first and a second in exchange 780 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 1: in part for Laramie Tunsil. That's how desperate teams get 781 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: for left tackles. This is gonna be a good year 782 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: for tackles, and I think teams are going to jump 783 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: up the board and look for tackles when it's all 784 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: said and done. Yeah. The reason I asked you about 785 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: that tackle at Auburn, I was doing Chase on and 786 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: delp It, just trying to finish them up the other 787 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: day and uh man, I thought the I thought the 788 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: left tackle from Auburn. Really he's got size, he's an athlete. Yeah, 789 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: and he's got good and I think they really have 790 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: worked technique wise where he's got his confidence back. That 791 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: was that was an offensive line unit to lost their 792 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 1: confidence and they seem to have him back this year. 793 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: And Derek Brown, by the way, you didn't ask you 794 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: didn't ask me about Derek Brown. Can I tell you this. 795 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,760 Speaker 1: I wrote him up last year assuming he'd come out, 796 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: and my thought was he needed to go back in. 797 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,399 Speaker 1: He did. He has made himself a lot of money. 798 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: We are about guys all. He should have come out. 799 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: He should have come out. I think Derek Brown made 800 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: the right decision. I think it's gonna pay off for him. Yeah, 801 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: Kent Law is another one. Keep an eye on man. 802 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: Those massive is a good group of defensive tackles in 803 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: this in this draft. All right. We could do this 804 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: all day long, Lance, but I'm gonna let you run. 805 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: I appreciate your time, buddy. We're gonna do this in 806 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: the future here as we get towards the draft. It's 807 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: always great to catch up with you. You look fantastic 808 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: and uh look for to the future here, buddy. That's 809 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: awesome to catch up with Lance. I love it when 810 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: he can join the show. Was hoping, uh Buck will 811 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,280 Speaker 1: be able to get in here, but do the fires. 812 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,320 Speaker 1: The traffic was just terrible. So Buck will be back 813 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: with us for the show on Thursday. We're gonna chance 814 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 1: to talk about some of these top college players as 815 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 1: well as looking at some of the more impressive groups 816 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: and then some disappointing groups. This year, we're looking at 817 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: wide receivers, quarterbacks, pass rush, secondary Uh. Those will be 818 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: some of the topics we will tackle on the next 819 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: Move the Sticks podcast. There is one piece of breaking 820 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: news I want to get to here before I wrapped 821 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: this thing up. Andy Dalton has been sent to the 822 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: bench there for the Cincinnati Bengals. They're gonna go with 823 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: Ryan Finley. Uh. My evaluation on Ryan Finley coming to 824 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: the draft last year, I believe he was my seventy 825 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: four overall player um ended up being the pick, so 826 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 1: a little bit higher on him than the league was 827 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 1: outstanding accuracy, anticipation, toughness, that kind of a light frame, well, 828 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 1: skinny frame, doesn't have a huge arm. I compared him 829 00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: to Jared Goff. I thought he was kind of a 830 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: little less a version of Jared Goff. Obviously golf the 831 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: first overall pick there with the Rams, but it's interesting 832 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 1: to me that his coach, Zack Taylor, had a chance 833 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,839 Speaker 1: to coach Jared Goff with the Rams, so I'm sure 834 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 1: he saw a lot of the similarities there. And it 835 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: looks like they're going in a new direction with the 836 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals. Begs the question of what's next for Andy Dalton. Uh. 837 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: Some teams mentioned with him you've seen, you know, potentially 838 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. Uh, we'll see what happens. To me, 839 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: would be interesting with a team like Denver if if 840 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,800 Speaker 1: they decide that Joe Flacco experiment was no good, maybe 841 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: he could be a little bit of that bridge quarterback 842 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: until Drew Lock was ready. Uh, there'll be there'll be 843 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: suitors for Andy Dalton, who has played some good football 844 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: during his career, but just hasn't worked out for this 845 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: Bengals team this year. That's just it's not very good. 846 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,839 Speaker 1: And when you look at all the injuries they've had 847 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: along that offensive line, not really a surprise that he 848 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: has not not had a great year. So Andy Dalton 849 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: looks like his days are numbered there with the Cincinnati Bengals, 850 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: and we'll see what happens with Ryan Finley. The Bengals 851 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: very much in the mix for the first overall pick. 852 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for us today. Thank 853 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 1: you guys for listening. Thanks to my buddy Lancer Line 854 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: for joining the show. We will catch you next time 855 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,240 Speaker 1: right here on Move the Sticks. If you have a question, 856 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: drop it on Apple Podcast, leave us a review, drop 857 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 1: a question on there. We will answer it on the 858 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 1: next episode. Thank you very much. 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