1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to Turkey Talk, a special edition from Clay and 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: Buck Conversation Comebacks for the Holidays. 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 2: Producer Ali here. If you were with us last week 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 2: for Turkey Talk Part one, you heard Clay and Buck, 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 2: along with some of our other podcast hosts, Carol, Tudor 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 2: and MK talk about navigating Thanksgiving after a Trump win. Well, 7 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: that's not the only thing people are going to be 8 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: talking about at Thanksgiving this year. If you've got a 9 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 2: college age kid, and depending on where they go to school, 10 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 2: brace yourself for some possible incoming, especially if they go 11 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 2: to Columbia University. Good luck getting through the appetizers without 12 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: a possible pilgrim dissing. Which is why I thought this 13 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 2: was the perfect time to dig into the Klay and 14 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: Buck archives and revisit some of their great conversations, like 15 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: this one from this past Columbus Day. 16 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: I am here in studio with my main man, Clay 17 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: in NYC. And yes, there is still a Columbus statue 18 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: near here in Columbus Circle. 19 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 3: They have not been able to tear it down yet. 20 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: Although Clay, you might have seen Saint John's University, the 21 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: largest Catholic university in the state of New York has 22 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: apparently canceled canceled Columbus Day celebration. 23 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, did you know it was Columbus Day when 24 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 4: you woke up this morning? 25 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I, yeah, yesterday. 26 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: Because I love talking about the truth of what an 27 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: Indigenous People's Day history celebration would mean. I like to 28 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: discuss with people that the Aztecs were a massive empire, 29 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: as were the Mayans, built atop slavery and human sacrifice 30 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: and the mutilation and torture of your enemies, and that 31 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: we don't know that much more about the native peoples 32 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: in this country because they had neither the wheel nor 33 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: written language, nor had they even discovered animal husbandry, as 34 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: in we had to give them horses, or rather, the 35 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: Spanish did so the Plains Indians got their horses from 36 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: the Europeans who came. 37 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 3: This is not something that has known very well. 38 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: So yes, if we want to have some Indigenous People's 39 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: Day talk, we can do that as well. 40 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 3: But yes, no, Columbus Day, I didn't even know. I 41 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 3: didn't know me. Uh, you know, we gotta It always feels. 42 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 4: Like kind of a ridiculous holidays, right when people don't 43 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 4: work on Columbus Day. 44 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: I'm always like that's a little bit. I canna tell you. 45 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: You're a Nashville guy. I don't know how many Italians 46 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: you have in Nashville. Okay, I'm a New York guy 47 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: and so here New York area, a lot of guys 48 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 1: are like A. 49 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 3: I like Columbus deal. 50 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: I like this guy, Columbus good on the ship, you 51 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: know important stuff. 52 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:38,679 Speaker 3: May I found some good. 53 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 4: That's one of the great uh Sopranos episodes. 54 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: Where Tony Sopranos like, Hey, the guy he got on 55 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: a boat, he got over here. 56 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 3: He's amazing. So uh yeah, Columbus day it was. 57 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: It was incredible, changed the world, and we celebrate the 58 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: achievement of the discovery and the bravery required for it. 59 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: Well rate it proudly. We don't have to sit here 60 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: and be like, well. 61 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 3: What were Columbus's positions on trans rights? We're not going there. 62 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: Okay, nobody had good positions on trans I promise you 63 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: the Aztecs didn't have good positions on trans rights or 64 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: anything else then either. 65 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 3: Turkey Talk a special edition from Clay and Buck. 66 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: The Turkey Talk podcast is sponsored by Hillsdale College. 67 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 3: Sometimes the best armor is information. 68 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: Christopher Columbus the Genoese explorer, thanks to the Spanish monarchy, 69 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: changes the world, changes the future of humanity in a 70 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: way that is amazing and worthy of celebration, an incredible achievement. 71 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: This is a moment perhaps where you might be wondering, Oh, 72 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: what does the leadership of the Democrat party think about 73 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: Christopher Columbus? Well, where do they come down on this issue? 74 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I don't know. What about the person who 75 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: is held up by the Democrats as the next leader 76 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: of the free world? 77 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 3: What does Kamala Harris. 78 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: I'm sure, by the way, we're probably a few hours 79 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: from this being Oh, she no longer feels that way. 80 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 3: Right, We'll get somebody anonymously. 81 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: From political will say, you know, scoop, Kamala Harris aid, say, 82 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: she no longer feels this way about Columbus Day. 83 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, Clayton, it's totally good. 84 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 4: It is funny that you would have to have somebody 85 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 4: anonymous say, yeah, she actually is a big Columbus Day person. 86 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: Big Columbus. Oh, huge fan of Columbus, celebrates his whole catalog. 87 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: Here she is in not like two thousand and eight, 88 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: not two thousand and two. Here she is at the 89 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: beginning of her vice presidential term, talking about uh European 90 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: explorers on the This is the National Congress of American 91 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: Indian seventy eighth Annual Convention. This is what she thinks 92 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: about the exploration of America. 93 00:04:58,720 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 3: Play it. 94 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 5: Since nineteen thirty four, every October, the United States has 95 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 5: recognized the voyage of the European explorers who first landed 96 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 5: on the shores of the Americas. But that is not 97 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 5: the whole story. That has never been the whole story. 98 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 5: Those explorers ushered in a wave of devastation for tribal nations, 99 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 5: perpetrating violence, stealing land, and spreading disease. We must not 100 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 5: shy away from this shameful past, and we must shed 101 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 5: light on it and do everything we can to address 102 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 5: the impact of the past on Native communities today. 103 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: Okay, this could be a much longer conversation about what 104 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: the reservation system in America has turned into and all 105 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: the casinos and all this stuff. 106 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 3: The clay I would just put it this way. 107 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: It was amazing what Columbus accomplished and in terms of 108 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: everything that came afterwards, and I've read extensively about what 109 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: it was like even in the pre American colonial era, 110 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: bad stuff was done. 111 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 3: On both sides. 112 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: They lost, the Europeans won, and now we're an American 113 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: and it's a great place. Like what really, even if 114 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: we took kama letter word here. 115 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 3: What are we supposed to do? It is a fantastic question. 116 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 4: And I mean, if you had a real historical conversation, 117 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 4: what in Kamala Harris's ideal world would the fourteen and 118 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 4: fifteen hundreds have looked like? What should have occurred that 119 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 4: did not? Overwhelmingly, Western civilization has made the world better. 120 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 4: And so to pick different aspects of history that you 121 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 4: don't like five hundred years ago that none of us 122 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 4: had any control over. 123 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: Well, I just want to know how many lives if 124 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: we're going to play this game. And she's like, oh, well, 125 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: they brought disease, Well, yes, because the immune systems of 126 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: the people who were isolated here from the rest of 127 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: the planet were unable to handle pathogens that were freely 128 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: spread in societies all over the world by trade and exploration. 129 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 3: But just put that aside. 130 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: How many lives were actually saved by and I'm talking 131 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: about all in by things like I don't know, antibiotics. 132 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, how many. 133 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: Lives were saved by clean drinking water. How many lives 134 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: have been saved by the civilizational advances that, by the way, 135 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: didn't just come from Europe, came from many places around 136 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: the world. But they were civilizational advances. We can't just 137 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: pick the bad and leave out the good. And also, 138 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: I would point out there is such a rewriting of 139 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: history that goes on when it comes to the native 140 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: tribes in this country, Clay, they were in a constant 141 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: state of warfare with each other. I mentioned the Aztecs, 142 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: but even if you look at other tribes, including tribes 143 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: that we that were in Texas, tribes that were in 144 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: the northeast parts of the iroquoidation, cannibalism was practiced that 145 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: like to eat their enemies. They would say it was 146 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: for ritual purposes, but uh, mutilation of men, women and children. 147 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 3: In warfare like this. 148 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: This whole notion that it was like the movie Pocahontas 149 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: where everyone's just you know, the the nobles and the 150 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: bees and everyone's just getting along is a complete and 151 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: utter lie. They were in a stone age in terms 152 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: of the civilizational advances they had, as we pointed out, 153 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: no wheel, no writing, and they fought wars against the 154 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: people that showed up here, just like people fight wars 155 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: all over the world and they lost and now we're 156 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: all you know, now we're all here together. So I 157 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: just the whole thing to me is a one. It's 158 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: it's ahistorical. It's uh, it's unhelpful today. But Comma, there's 159 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, who's like, oh, well, the horrible things that 160 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: the Europeans did. 161 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 3: Also, there was no way to stop disease. 162 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 4: Even if we had arrived here and only been super 163 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 4: kind to everyone, the disease was still going to spread widely, 164 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 4: do we. 165 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 3: It's actually these diseases they think. 166 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: Bubonic plague, for example, came from Asia and arrived on 167 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: ships originally in Venice and you know merchants, Genoese merchants, 168 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: Venetian merchants, and then it made its way all through Europe. 169 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 3: Are we sitting here like. 170 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: We need we need reparations from Asia for the bubonic plague? 171 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: You know, six hundred years ago? No, man, I mean 172 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: it was a tough world. Things happened, bad stuff went down. 173 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: I don't want to tell you human beings humanity. Life 174 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: was brutish, nasty and short. Anyway, I don't want to 175 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: spend too much time on it. I do just think 176 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: it's worth noting that Kamala Harris goes along with this. 177 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: I do want to note that I hear from people 178 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: all the time now when they go to college tours 179 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: and stuff. They start with these indigenous land, you know, 180 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: proclamation about how I know how we are here on 181 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: stolen then actually, no, it's ours now. 182 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 3: Sorry. 183 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 4: I am taking my son around my oldest to visit 184 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 4: different campuses, and many of the campus tours book before 185 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 4: they even tell you about the history of the school 186 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 4: at all, begin with land acknowledgments. And I felt like 187 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 4: I was being pranked. When you're there and you're excited 188 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 4: to go tour a campus and the very first thing 189 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 4: the campus tour guide says is before we start to 190 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 4: walk you around here, we want to acknowledge this is 191 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 4: stole land. I can't believe that this is complate. They 192 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 4: do this now, buck in many universities. On the first 193 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 4: day of class, it's written in the syllabus, these land acknowledgments. 194 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: It's so crazy. You know, when you go back and. 195 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: You actually read the history, if you read honest history 196 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: of what happened, and a lot Texans tend to know 197 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: more about this. Texas was out on its own, particularly 198 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: the early eighteen hundreds and going up to the period 199 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: of the Civil War when it came to dealing with 200 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: the native tribes, particularly the Comanche, the Apache, the Kiowa, 201 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: and one of the things that's left out it's always, oh, 202 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: though the white man made these treats and broke the treaties, 203 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: there would be these tribes Comanchi's a good example, and 204 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: they would decide, like some of the young braves would 205 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: decide that they wanted to out make a name for themselves, 206 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: and they would do something called murder rates that's actually 207 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: what they called it. Then they weren't trying to they 208 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: weren't showing up at a fort and fighting with able 209 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: bodied men to see who was going to be in 210 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: control of territory. They would wait until women and children 211 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: were left alone. They would go in enslave and or rape, murder, mutilate. 212 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: And then when we would sit and say, hold on 213 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: a second, I thought we had a treaty with you guys. 214 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: You know, the chief would say, sorry, I can't control everybody, 215 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: or sorry, that's not my tribe. Well, you know, imagine 216 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: that that's your life on the frontier. After a while, 217 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: you get pretty tired of that. So there's a total 218 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: rewriting of this issue that goes on people. One of 219 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: the problems even then was that Texans were like, this 220 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: is horrible, this is what's going on, And people in 221 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: DC and the. 222 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 3: Northeast were, what's the problem? Yeah, there aren't they just 223 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 3: you know, civilizing like all the rest of us, and 224 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 3: is everything great? No it is not. Actually, they're going 225 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 3: on murder raids. And this is a history that's not 226 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 3: talked about man ever. 227 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: Ever, I do a whole podcast series on this. People 228 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: should know this stuff. People should know what went on. 229 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: People should know that they that first of all, they 230 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: were they were slavers. The Native Americans. Oh yes, practiced 231 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: widespread and continuous slavery against each other and eventually against 232 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: white settlers who were here. 233 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: Yes, there was a. 234 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 4: Huge So all of this is a lot. Can we 235 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 4: play just to have a little bit of humor. We've 236 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 4: got the sopranos, because we mentioned this in the past hour. 237 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 4: I think we've got the sopranos audio. 238 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: I hope we have the bleeps in there. I think, 239 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: well we'll sit the bleeps. Okay, all right, we got bleeps. 240 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 4: All right, So here is Tony Soprano, one of the 241 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 4: great shows in the history of television. Weighing in to 242 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 4: your point. We're here in New York City, huge Italian population. 243 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 4: My mother in law's Italian. She would probably nod along 244 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 4: entirely with Tony Soprano. 245 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 3: Here he discovered America, is what he did. He was 246 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 3: a brave Italian explorer. And this house, Christopher Columbus, is 247 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 3: a hero and a story. Yes, okay, I've been Tony Soprano. 248 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 4: The Indigenous people Day concept is so laughably absurd that 249 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 4: I can't believe it's reach. 250 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: I just, you know what, I also would want to ask, okay, 251 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: what land did they own? Like, show me how do 252 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: you even sort? You know how they you know how 253 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: they had determine who owned what land among the tribes, 254 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: what they could keep by force of arms against other tribes. 255 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 3: That's it. 256 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: There were no deeds, there was none of this stuff. 257 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: It was just, Hey, if you come into my hunting territory, 258 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna scalp you. 259 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 3: We've also had the whole thing too. 260 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: Of suddenly scalping becomes a practice, and they try to say, 261 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: now that this comes from the European side of things. 262 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: Interesting never happened anywhere else until they came into the Americas. 263 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: And guess what they would take trophies of each other. 264 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: And people even ask me, you can go check. There 265 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: were among the Native American tribes. There was cannibalism practice, 266 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: not by all of them, but by some of them. 267 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: You will not read that in books until you find 268 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: the right books. 269 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 3: It is true. 270 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 4: This also ties in with the entire concept of trying 271 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 4: to redefine American history around slavery, which is what they've 272 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 4: tried to do with The New York Times, for instance. 273 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 4: The idea that slavery only existed in the United States 274 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 4: is really kind of embedded in the left wing attempt 275 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 4: to destroy the history of the United States. 276 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: This country fought its first foreign war in large part, 277 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: really entirely to stop the enslavement of white Europeans by 278 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: Barbary corsairs off the north from the North African coast. 279 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: Essentially that was to the shores of Tripoli. That's why 280 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: we actually fought our First's why we outfitted a navy. 281 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: We had six frigates, we deployed them, and we had 282 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: to go fight because and we asked, Actually, there was 283 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: one of the you know, the Pasha or the Amy 284 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: or whatever he's called himself at the time, was in 285 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: London and our emissary, i believe it might have even 286 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: been Jefferson at the time, said why are you doing 287 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: this to us? Because the Koran says we can and 288 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: we like to. 289 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 3: That's it. So when we're enslaving our people. 290 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 4: One of the huge lessons of world history, if you 291 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 4: actually study it, is every single person listening to us 292 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 4: right now has at some point had ancestors who were 293 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 4: slaves and people who owned slaves. One hundred percent of you, white, Black, Asian, Hispanic. 294 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 4: If you go back far enough, slavery was so endemic 295 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 4: in society that every single one of you has an 296 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 4: ancestor who owned slaves and was save. 297 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: The word comes from slav actually, that's the root of it, 298 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: and it goes back to ancient Roman times. So the 299 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: original slaves, if you will, or white people in eastern Europe, 300 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: that is where the term originated from. 301 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 3: Two thousand years ago. I talked about the slave trade. 302 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: By the way, that slave trade of Barbary corsairs off 303 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: of North Africa. It wasn't a short period. It went 304 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: on for about three hundred years. They went as far 305 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: as Ireland and Iceland. They would go all along the 306 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: coast of Spain. In fact, the Spanish in the sixteenth 307 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: century were terrified. They would tell their children's stories about 308 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: Barbarossa the pirate, and how he would steal children from 309 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: the coast, because they did, by the way, that was 310 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: a thing that would happen. They would show up anyway. 311 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 3: We could talk with this all day long. 312 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: But this this idea that it was like, oh, everything 313 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: was great here. 314 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 3: It was not utopia. 315 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 4: They were not noble savages, which was another aspect of 316 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 4: the way that they were described in the Jefferson Sonian era. No, 317 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 4: their lives were brutal and filled with violence, and in 318 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 4: no way were they living in some sort of dentic paradise. 319 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: So when we were right, Davy Crockett and we have 320 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: Crockett Coffee, Davy Crockett's grandfather was scalped by Indians. Yeah, okay, 321 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: this was a reality of life on the frontier. Imagine 322 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: that's there. You know, I know, Joe Biden's like, you know, 323 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: my grand my granduncle was eaten by cannibals or something. 324 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: They're almost eaten by Cannibal's turn. Now that wasn't true, 325 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: but it's Joe Biden. But this was reality of life 326 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: on the frontier. We get a very one sided story. 327 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: And yeah, people do really horrible things. I mean, go 328 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: back and read about the Thirty Years War in Germany 329 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: and Europe. People do very terrible things to each other. 330 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: But it's only this one where all of a sudden 331 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: we're like, where's I'm supposed to make amends for this today? 332 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 3: I didn't do anything. You didn't do any No one 333 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 3: listening to this did anything. But we're supposed to sit. 334 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: Around and say, oh, you know, I'm so worried about 335 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: it anyway, And Kamala Harris plays into that game just 336 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: just saying it. She is all about whatever the woke demands. 337 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: This whole moderate Kamala thing is absolute garbage. It's not true. 338 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 4: Clay Travis here, Happy Thanksgiving from all of us at 339 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 4: the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. 340 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: The Turkey Talk podcast is sponsored by Hillsdale College. 341 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 3: Sometimes the best armor is information. 342 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 2: Yes, it's producer Ali Again. I realized Turkey Talk needed 343 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 2: a narrator for content context, So here I am. It's 344 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 2: interesting to hear Clay and Buck talk on Columbus Day 345 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 2: back in October before we knew the outcome of the election. 346 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 2: Listening to that Harris clip really underscores a lot of 347 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: what was on the ballot, which was a whole lot 348 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 2: of woke. The guys laid it out well, especially when 349 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: it came to a couple other issues too. So in 350 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 2: case this comes up at your dinner table, let's revisit 351 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 2: so you have some information armor. 352 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 4: You can debate border policy and some of that gets confusing. 353 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 4: You can debate tax policy. It's easy to get mucked 354 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 4: up in the details. Whether a dude should be able 355 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 4: to compete as a women's athlete and win a women's 356 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 4: championship is so crystallizing that I think it's cutting through 357 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 4: the noise as we come and come down the home 358 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 4: stretch here. And I hope Kamala Harris gets asked about 359 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 4: this because you thought you've heard word salads from her 360 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 4: so far. Buck, Can you imagine her trying to respond 361 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 4: on this issue. This issue Initially men were like me, 362 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 4: we're driving it because we saw it as crazy. And 363 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 4: men tend to in general be bigger sports fans than women, 364 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 4: and I think men understand the concept of men being bigger, stronger, 365 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 4: and faster, particularly if you played sports than women did. 366 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 4: But now thanks to many people like Riley gain speaking out, 367 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 4: women are finding their own voice on this issue. And 368 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 4: I think a lot of women were afraid that they 369 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 4: weren't being kind enough or they weren't being caring or 370 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 4: empathetic enough for the trans community. And that moment is 371 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 4: passed and women are taking a substantial lead and talking 372 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 4: about this issue. And I think Riley Gaines, Jennifer Say, 373 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,719 Speaker 4: who is out there, former women's gymnast who has her 374 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 4: own clothing company. I think a lot of women's athletes 375 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 4: are saying enough is enough. We're not going to stand 376 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 4: for that. And it's going on right now in the 377 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 4: battleground state of Nevada where women's volleyball team said we 378 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 4: don't want to play against San Jose State University that 379 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 4: has a man that is dominating women's college volleyball on 380 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 4: the team, and a lot of women are saying, we're 381 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 4: not playing in a match if they're going to have 382 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 4: a man competing against us, it's just not fair. 383 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: I also just wait for there to be a real 384 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: defense of this practice. You'll notice that whenever it comes up, 385 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: they're these there's these steps that the left will go through. 386 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: It doesn't happen that often. Why is it such a 387 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: big deal to you? Why are you being so mean? 388 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: Why can't you just be inclusive? They won't address the 389 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: core issue, which is not only is this unfair, biologically unfair? 390 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: I mean, why why have age differences in sports? Why 391 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: not let sixteen year olds play ten year olds in 392 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: soccer or basketball? 393 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 3: Yeah? 394 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: Exactly, you know why not? I mean, why do we 395 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: have these separations? Because we're trying to create some baseline 396 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: of biologically based fairness And they can't actually address this. 397 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 3: So what do they do? They attack? 398 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: It's a little bit like what I dealt with on 399 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: the Bill Marshow. I'm smoking them on all the arguments. 400 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: So it's like, well you're not like that? 401 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 3: Cool? Yeah, well what does that have to do with anything? 402 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: I mean, they can't make a coherent defense of any 403 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: of this, and in a sense, Kamala, I'm gonna offer 404 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: something up. 405 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 3: Clay Kamala is actually the. 406 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: Perfect candidate for this moment Democrat politics because her incoherence 407 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: on everything, the fact that she stands for nothing except power, 408 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: is a perfect encapsulation of what the Democrat Party of 409 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: today is and the fact that she says her principles 410 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: haven't changed when she's changed her mind on everything is 411 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: a perfect a perfect overview of where the Democrat Party 412 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: is right now. Nothing makes sense and it's not supposed 413 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: to shut up and let them run your life. 414 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 4: We've got another cut that I wanted to play. We 415 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 4: mentioned that Kamala did a town hall and every time 416 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 4: she does one of these interviews, there is a question 417 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 4: that to me becomes a central negativity associated with the 418 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 4: interview that she did, whether there's not a thing she 419 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:51,479 Speaker 4: would change from the view and Colbet most recently, every 420 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 4: time she speaks she says something that turns off a 421 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 4: large majority of the population, and I think that's why 422 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 4: they hit her to such an extent. But she was 423 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 4: asked about reparations. She in the past has said that 424 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 4: she believes reparation should happen. California studied the issue and 425 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 4: even Gavin Newsom said, yeah, I understand the recommendation, but 426 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 4: no California, which never permitted slavery, by the way, and 427 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 4: has a relatively small as a percentage of the population 428 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 4: overall black population, I think California is only six or 429 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 4: eight percent black. 430 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 3: Buck. 431 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 4: That sometimes surprises people large Asian, large Hispanic, large white population, 432 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 4: but not that large of a black population. But she 433 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 4: was asked and Gavin Newsom said, the cost on this 434 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 4: is just outrageous. There's no way we can do it. Basically, 435 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 4: thanks for the recommendation, but we're not going to do it. 436 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 3: She said, we need to study it. 437 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 4: Cost estimates around twelve trillion dollars for reparations. 438 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 3: Buck. Here's Kamala on racial reparations. 439 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 5: Yes, I'm running to be a president for all Americans. 440 00:22:55,400 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 5: That being said, I do have clear eyes about the 441 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 5: disparities that exist and the context in which they exist, 442 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 5: meaning history to your point, So my agenda, well, first 443 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 5: of all, on the point of reparations, it has to 444 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,719 Speaker 5: be studied. There's no question about that, and I've been 445 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 5: very clear about that position. 446 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about this. First of all. I love 447 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: when she says I've been very clear. When she gives 448 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 1: a non answer, this would be like if you were 449 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: like if Clay asked me, He's like, Buck, what do 450 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: you think about this? And I was like, I played 451 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: the fifth as I have been very clear about my answer. 452 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: It's like, well, you're not answering. Actually you're you're choosing 453 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: to give a total non answer. In this process, a 454 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: few things that would come up, and this is one 455 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: of reparations I might add to the national electorate. Incredibly unpopular, 456 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: eighty twenty against at least, yeah, eighty twenty against at 457 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: least for obvious reasons. 458 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 3: A lot of people oppose us. 459 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: But if you're going to have reparations, here are the 460 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: questions I have to ask, who gets them? 461 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 3: What do you have to do to qualify for them? 462 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 3: How much? 463 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 2: So? 464 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: Questions like, if you're a quarter African American, do you 465 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: do you get like twenty five percent of what the 466 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: full reparations package would be? You know, how far back 467 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: do you go? I mean, if you're half African American, 468 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: let's say you get a different percent. These are the 469 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: questions you would have to answer. If you are a 470 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 1: Nigerian immigrants, do the United States have a higher than 471 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,479 Speaker 1: most groups in this country household income? But would they 472 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: know they wouldn't qualify for reparations? Okay, well who does? 473 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: Who doesn't? At what point do you start to make 474 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: these distinctions or rather how far back do you have 475 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: to go? And the other part of the clay is 476 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: it's immoral because you're taking money from people today with 477 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: the force of the state based on some historical you know, 478 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: some historical story. And then also it's never enough. This 479 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: is the part of it that everybody knows, right, there 480 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: would never be enough money in this program, just like 481 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: all other redistribution of wealth programs. It's never enough to 482 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: deal with the problem. Well, I mean, it's messy on 483 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: so many different levels. To your point, you have to 484 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: do percentage analysis, right, because huge percentages of the people 485 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: who live in America here were not in America when 486 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 1: slavery occurred. So if you're an immigrant from from China, 487 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: why in the world should you be paying reparations to 488 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: black people? It makes no sense, right, So it's the 489 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: huge percentage population wasn't here. Also, just you know, Jews 490 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: who fled the Holocaust in the Second World War, okay, 491 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: you just got here in like nineteen fifty or you know, 492 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: nineteen forty whatever, they would be paying reparations, among many 493 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 1: other people, to the black community for slavery that has 494 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: been outlawed for one hundred and fifty years. 495 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 3: Okay. 496 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 4: I also always enjoy two other points. One, I'm a history, Nerd, 497 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 4: So are we just forgetting the hundreds of thousands of 498 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 4: people who died in the Civil War. I got an 499 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 4: ancestor who died fighting in the Civil War. He was 500 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 4: motivated in some way over the issue of slavery. Those 501 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 4: people's lives don't matter. Some of us would who are white, 502 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 4: carry the blood of people who fought in the Civil 503 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 4: War on both sides, and that's a whole historical mess 504 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 4: in and of itself. But those guys who actually gave 505 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 4: their lives, some of them to enslavery, don't count, right. 506 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: I think you'd have a very fair point if we're 507 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: going to do this. Historical ancestry is something you're responsible for. 508 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: You know, my family are Irish immigrants, and the Irish 509 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: side that got here into the North, it's very likely 510 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: they fought for the Union. So am I exempted right 511 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: to do you get exited? 512 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 4: Do you get credit because you had Union soldiers who 513 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 4: fought in your background. Here's the other thing, buck that 514 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 4: nobody really wants to talk about. Well, shouldn't Africa pay 515 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 4: a substantial amount of the reparations here? Since the slaves 516 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 4: were initially enslaved in Africa and Africans profited immensely off 517 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 4: the slave trade. It's as if there is no reparations 518 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 4: responsibility for that aspect of the slave trade. 519 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: I also think that, you know, you can look at 520 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: a the closest thing that we've had in this country 521 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: to something along the lines of there are also people 522 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: who by the way I would I would point out, 523 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: would would claim that overall, you know, the welfare state 524 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: that this country has been supporting for the last seventy 525 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 1: years or so is a form of uh, not even 526 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: just for the African American community, but across the board, 527 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 1: meant to repair historical injustices by for dispossessed communities. And 528 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, it's been a lot of money. 529 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: It's the point, right, there's already a lot of money 530 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: that is going to help people in this country. We 531 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: have a trillion dollar welfarest in this country. Beyond that, though, 532 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: you look at the Native American population, in the you know, 533 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: Indian population, I think it's in we're are we supposed 534 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: to call them now, the you know indigenous tribes. The 535 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 1: name keeps changing, which I think is just meant to 536 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: see who will be who. It's obedience training for the 537 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,239 Speaker 1: rest of us. I might add, you know, you're not 538 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: You're not supposed to say Eskimo anymore because Eskimo is 539 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: only one tribe and they prefer, I think more generally Inuit. 540 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: Our Alaska listeners, we've got a great station up up 541 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: in Anchorage. They would know more about this than I do. 542 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: But oh, you know, if you say Eskimo, you're being rude. 543 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: I mean, we can't keep up with all this. What's 544 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: the name? Tough to know the name because no written language, 545 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: you know, not a lot of textual basis for this stuff. 546 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: But on the Native American reservations clay across the country, 547 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: this has been a program for a long time, and 548 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: there have been special incentives given to those communities, and 549 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: we as a country, we never even really look at 550 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: Native American reservations are a horrible state of affairs when 551 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: you look at things like domestic abuse, alcoholism, violent crime 552 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: per capita. 553 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 3: These are not happy places. They're reservations. 554 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: And then we have people in Oklahoma listening who know 555 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: exactly about this. We've had the governor of Oklahoma, who 556 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: himself is a Native American, by the way, a member 557 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: of a tribe, Kevin Stitt. And this is not a 558 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: program that has been successful at all. Really when you 559 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: look at it, So why would we do these sort 560 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:56,239 Speaker 1: of race based preference programs, especially after the Constitution has 561 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: already told us that an admissions it's bad, in redistribution 562 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: of wealth it's good. 563 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 3: Makes no sense. 564 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 4: I would also add historically, Buck, and this really gets 565 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 4: people all flummoxed. Remember, we were a colony of Great Bit, 566 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 4: Great Britain for the vast majority of time that there 567 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 4: was slavery in the United States. Why should the United 568 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 4: States be responsible from sixteen nineteen to seventeen seventy six 569 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 4: or seventeen eighty three, England should have to pay all 570 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 4: of the reparations to slaves in the United States because 571 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 4: England was the power here. We were colonies. We were 572 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 4: until we revolted. We didn't have democracy in this country. 573 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 3: So I never hear. 574 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 4: Anybody say, Okay, well, England is on the hook. We 575 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 4: only had legal slavery in the United States for eighty 576 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 4: years and to your point, seventeen eighty three to eighteen 577 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 4: sixty three. To your point, Buck, we've since had the 578 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,719 Speaker 4: welfare state, which to a large extent since the nineteen 579 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 4: sixties has existed with the idea being that we're going 580 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 4: to provide some form of compensation and redress to people 581 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 4: who were discriminated against. We've had the welfare state and 582 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 4: the civil rights era almost as long now in the 583 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 4: United States since we had slavery. So anyway, I just 584 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 4: love the history of it. Very few people actually dive 585 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 4: into it, which is why, on its face, eighty percent 586 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 4: of some aut Americans say this is a joke. Kamala 587 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 4: believes it should happen in twenty nineteen, and she's saying 588 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 4: now it should be studied still in twenty twenty four. 589 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 4: Again another swinging amiss. 590 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 2: Well stated by the guys. If you have friends or 591 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 2: family that are having a hard time understanding what happened 592 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 2: this election, like they're genuinely confused over the loss, or 593 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 2: saying things like half the country must be racist or sexist, 594 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 2: maybe have them listen to Turkey talk. I saw this 595 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 2: statement circling on social media. Quote, you say you love me, 596 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 2: but then voted for someone who's only going to hurt 597 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 2: me and my family. My response is to tell them 598 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 2: you don't agree with that premise that it's kind of 599 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 2: hard to have a conversation when it begins with a 600 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 2: non starter. 601 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 4: Like that. 602 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 2: Before we wrap our friend Lisa Booth, another one of 603 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 2: our great hosts and the Clambuck Feed with the Truth 604 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 2: with Lisa Booth podcast has some final thoughts going into 605 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 2: the holidays. 606 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 6: Hey guys, it's Lisa Booth, the host of the Truth 607 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 6: with Lisa Booth. Well, first of all, Happy Thanksgiving. I 608 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 6: hope you have the best time. But now what to 609 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 6: do with your liberal friends and family? I say you 610 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 6: blast the YMCA song, you come in doing the Trump dance. 611 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 6: Maybe you add the golf swing in for good measure, 612 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 6: just to add a little flare. Then you take your 613 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 6: Maga hat off and you spike it to the ground 614 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,239 Speaker 6: and start beating your chest. The point is, we've been 615 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 6: called all sorts of things over the past few years. 616 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 6: We were called garbage, we were called Nazis, we were 617 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 6: called fascis, we were called irredeemable, we were called the 618 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 6: basket of deplorables. And guess what more Americans agree with 619 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 6: us than your liberal friends and family. So you don't 620 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 6: have to be a jerk about it. But you hold 621 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 6: your head up high. We were right and America lives 622 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 6: to see another day. So happy Thanksgiving. I hope you 623 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 6: have the best time. 624 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: Hey, it's Buck Sexton from our home to yours. Have 625 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: a wonderful Thanksgiving from the Clay and Buck Show.