Speaker 1: And That's what you Really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2: And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Welcome to and That's what you Really missed podcast. We've
Speaker 1: got the hottest hot takes of season six. Kevin. We
Speaker 1: are here for our final hot take of the series of.
Speaker 2: The series hot Takes, and we're back. We've been off
Speaker 2: from recording for a while and so it's nice to
Speaker 2: be back with you. Jenna.
Speaker 1: It's nice to be back with you. Kevin. Welcome back.
Speaker 1: Hope you had a good run of your show.
Speaker 2: I had a great time. Thanks everybody who came to
Speaker 2: see the Frogs in London.
Speaker 1: I wish I could have seen it.
Speaker 2: Very successful run. I loved it. I loved doing it.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, and I believe it.
Speaker 2: I met so many people who listened to the podcast religiously.
Speaker 1: Jenna, Oh that warms my heart. We're so grateful. So
Speaker 1: you got to meet them all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you came to see the Frogs and you
Speaker 2: told me that you listened to the podcast, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I love when people tell me they listen to the podcast.
Speaker 2: And people have been rewatching it with us, and there
Speaker 2: was a show like there was somebody at one show
Speaker 2: like oh, the episode came out during the show, so
Speaker 2: I haven't listened to it yet, Like, ah see, it's
Speaker 2: really nice. Yeah, isn't that nice?
Speaker 1: It's nice in the wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of gleeks came out and that was
Speaker 2: it was really nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm to see you, Kevin.
Speaker 2: And now we're going to get crazy with some of
Speaker 2: these hot takes.
Speaker 1: Not just the point. There are Instagram posts, dealer comments,
Speaker 1: there are voice notes, there are dms. So we're we're coming.
Speaker 1: We're firing hot from all cylinders here. Let's start, uh
Speaker 1: start easy here. Okay, Tina should have never proposed to
Speaker 1: Mike during the wedding episode. It was so unnecessary. I
Speaker 1: have to agree. I know it's I don't know that that's.
Speaker 2: A hot take, you know what I beg to differ.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's such a Tina thing to do.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, So would that make it a hot take?
Speaker 2: If it is hot take, then I think that's a
Speaker 2: hot take.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I agree, Okay.
Speaker 2: My spiciest hot take is that FABERI should have been Cannon.
Speaker 2: That's all. That would have been wild, and I think
Speaker 2: it would have worked.
Speaker 1: It definitely would have worked a lot of people actually
Speaker 1: have been saying this, Oh, that it should have happened. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get so much slacked for this, but I
Speaker 1: personally think that Clane, although a great couple this season,
Speaker 1: should not have been Endgame. My reasoning is, I felt
Speaker 1: like the latter half of season five in the first
Speaker 1: half of season six showed why Blame and Kirk got
Speaker 1: a lot better when they were just friends. I felt
Speaker 1: like in the beginning of season six they really showed
Speaker 1: that they could function without the other exclusively in their
Speaker 1: wise and Blaine catching fins for Kurt Oliver again, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, betrayed the character growth that he had. Specifically,
Speaker 1: I love the ending they got from a narrative perspective
Speaker 1: of being them being endgame wasn't the right.
Speaker 2: All Wow, I mean beautiful explanation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2: Hot take, hot take Season five Newbies should have been
Speaker 2: brought back to compete alongside the new season six cast
Speaker 2: instead of conveniently adding all the Warblers to the team. WHOA, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I would have liked to see that.
Speaker 1: Well, that could be the reboot.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of hot takes about a reboot.
Speaker 2: Really hot take. If they were to make a Glee reboot,
Speaker 2: it should be based on new high school kids at McKinley,
Speaker 2: and Brittany should be their teacher. That way, all the
Speaker 2: Bonker lesson plans and over the top numbers would make
Speaker 2: more sense because it's Brittany. They should occasionally have the
Speaker 2: og cast do cameos, but hardly at all. When Artie
Speaker 2: comes back, don't have Kevin in a wheelchair, and don't
Speaker 2: mention it at all. At the very end of the scene,
Speaker 2: have Brittany say something like you seem taller, very funny.
Speaker 1: Hi, Jen and Kevin. My name is Ryan, I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan. I also went to the same high school
Speaker 1: as Chenna oh hi Ran graduated the year before we
Speaker 1: premiered Okay. So my hentake is that the music ultimately
Speaker 1: hurt the show more than it helped it. You can
Speaker 1: tell that early writing was plot driven. They found the
Speaker 1: music that worked with it, but quickly when the popularity
Speaker 1: of music took off, the plot being built around songs
Speaker 1: and tributes, more often than not felt shaky and the
Speaker 1: episodes became too bloated with musical numbers taking time away
Speaker 1: from what was a well constructed, driven story at the start.
Speaker 1: I would have preferred less songs to make time for
Speaker 1: punk Pink Cared, Quinn or Kurt and Mercedes being friends. Okay,
Speaker 1: I find that there is true to some of this, right.
Speaker 1: I think ultimately there is no show without the music. Really,
Speaker 1: but were some of these points in fact's true? Yes?
Speaker 1: And some aspect some parts of the show you're not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it, I get.
Speaker 2: It, Hi, Jenna and Kevin. My hot take is that
Speaker 2: people think they want a Glee reboot, but what they
Speaker 2: actually want is a new Glee Cast album. Oh season
Speaker 2: season six is already a reboot itself, og Cast coming
Speaker 2: back to mentor the new Generation. What we actually need
Speaker 2: is the og Cast singing new covers. Mmmmm Okay, I
Speaker 2: do like that. That's easy to do.
Speaker 1: I love singing covers. Okay, let's do a voice No, okay.
Speaker 3: Hi, guys, this is Dylan from New York. Here's Michaelee hotache.
Speaker 3: Arti and Katy were supposed to be and game period.
Speaker 3: They were the perfect couple, complete opposites who found each other.
Speaker 3: Keat's my favorite character in the entire series, beca such
Speaker 3: an incredible actress, and you could really see how being
Speaker 3: with Artie was a turning point in her character arc.
Speaker 3: I was so mad that I already ended up with Tina. Anyways,
Speaker 3: love the podcast. Oh and Jenna, thank you for sending
Speaker 3: me an autograph back in twenty thirteen and making my
Speaker 3: fifteen year old self instantly popular in school.
Speaker 2: I love you.
Speaker 1: Bye, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting is that we never so as
Speaker 2: a cast. I don't think we ever talked about like
Speaker 2: who Endgame should be or anything like that totally, and
Speaker 2: so I sure we had, but maybe a little bit,
Speaker 2: but I don't think it was. And so many people
Speaker 2: feel this way about I think people think Mike and
Speaker 2: Tina should have ended up together. There's one right here
Speaker 2: that says Tina and Mike should have been endgame and
Speaker 2: not a fan of her and Arty together, love them platonically,
Speaker 2: just not together, And so I get it. And I
Speaker 2: do think Artie the relationship with the Arty was good
Speaker 2: for Kitty. Remember how like the horrible things Kitty would
Speaker 2: say horrible, horrible, Okay, wow, Yeah, I'm not saying I
Speaker 2: agree with it, but.
Speaker 1: No, no, I see it. I see it. Spiciest hot
Speaker 1: take I ever saw with someone saying they didn't feel
Speaker 1: bad after Santana got outed. That gagged me exponentially. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, this is long, but I think it's worth stating.
Speaker 2: Tell us a tale hot take.
Speaker 1: I actually liked the Roderick storyline in Child Star and
Speaker 1: here's why, and Kevin we both didn't like this. It
Speaker 1: portrayed the reality in being plus sized and the struggle
Speaker 1: can cause, especially in something like gym class. The development
Speaker 1: between him and Spencer was relatable. Spencer being a jock,
Speaker 1: though I thought he needed tough love, but roder communicated
Speaker 1: that isn't what's going to help him, and eventually Spencer
Speaker 1: adapted to how he helped him. No, I hated the
Speaker 1: pressure of the rope climbing to save myron. As a
Speaker 1: fat person, I'd be pissed, but otherwise the story was
Speaker 1: a surprisingly relatable one for plus sized people. Often I
Speaker 1: need help when I'm trying to lose weight or do something.
Speaker 1: It's difficult due to size, but I have to communicate
Speaker 1: how people can help me. It feels very different than
Speaker 1: like the Mercedes Taught story and one similar when the
Speaker 1: joke isn't about the weight, but rather jokes are throughout
Speaker 1: a story about someone struggling with their weight. I don't
Speaker 1: mind when you're big. Unfortunately, being big is the main
Speaker 1: topic throughout your life, so it makes sense that it
Speaker 1: would be a plot point. But it's much bigger when
Speaker 1: it's But it's much better when it's like this instead
Speaker 1: of just a joke.
Speaker 2: Ah Well said very Well said, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I mean, I appreciate the perspective. It's like I didn't know,
Speaker 1: and I think that's right. Okay, great, thank you for that.
Speaker 2: Justice for Sam and Rachel Duetz, respectfully, I disagree with y'all.
Speaker 2: Their voices sound great together. And two, the Blade and
Speaker 2: Crossey storyline is overheted Krofski went through a lot and
Speaker 2: grew as a person. Is it a great storyline? No?
Speaker 2: But do I think it deserves the amount of hate
Speaker 2: it gets. There's been crazier things on Glee. Wow, sizzling.
Speaker 2: That is sizzling.
Speaker 1: I don't know that there has been.
Speaker 2: I know, I think that's up there with some of
Speaker 2: the greatest things.
Speaker 1: But I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Season six, Blaine should have sung Love changes Everything, and
Speaker 2: series Claian should have just been friends.
Speaker 1: Okay. A lot of people saying this, mm hmm, let's
Speaker 1: do another voice now.
Speaker 4: I think it's absolutely wild and very insane that out
Speaker 4: of nowhere Rachel and Sam, Like, did they have a
Speaker 4: did they have a conversation that they were breaking up?
Speaker 4: Were they an official couple? Because Jesse and Rachel just
Speaker 4: start making out after singing a song like they always
Speaker 4: do in the auditorium and then they just start making
Speaker 4: out out of nowhere and then they're together. Then they're
Speaker 4: just like together, and then what happened to Sam?
Speaker 1: Like, who's did.
Speaker 4: Anyone break up with Sam? Because I don't I don't
Speaker 4: see anything. Also, having Tina and Artie, I'm.
Speaker 5: Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Having Tina and Laradi be Endgame is nuts because everyone
Speaker 4: and their mother wanted to see Tina and Mike be Endgame.
Speaker 4: That was so and I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 4: how I felt about that. That was really like I
Speaker 4: didn't expect it, and I think a lot of people
Speaker 4: were very pissed off about it. I remember being on
Speaker 4: Twitter at this time, and this was an insane thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, Jenna, we didn't know anything. We we The thing
Speaker 1: we take away from this podcast is that Already and Tina,
Speaker 1: we're not beloved as a couple together that should have
Speaker 1: ended up together. You know, we were like, I'm so
Speaker 1: happy we ended up together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just wanted it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's why the writers did it, like they
Speaker 1: felt like, we're like, please.
Speaker 2: It's because we're best friends.
Speaker 1: Best friends. But also Harry, I heard Tina and Mike
Speaker 1: and and Already and Kitty, that's really what they wanted
Speaker 1: to see. Yeah, so fascinating to me.
Speaker 2: Okay, I also wonder if some of that is like budget,
Speaker 2: like having everybody come back like you and I are
Speaker 2: already on the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, they're like, Okay, we're.
Speaker 2: Already under contract like we had.
Speaker 1: The pro was definitely not what it was season three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, and yeah, I mean poor Sam.
Speaker 2: I agree. Did someone tells Sam?
Speaker 1: Oh I know? I know? Oh poor Sam, Poor Sam.
Speaker 1: I don't know that anything, Like, I don't I actually
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Okay, hot take. Season six is better than seasons four
Speaker 1: and five. I wish instead of going to New York,
Speaker 1: I think it would have been better had they really
Speaker 1: focused on the new kids the way season six did.
Speaker 1: Season six goes off the rocker with the Jakes stuff.
Speaker 1: It has the heart that season one has, and I
Speaker 1: wish we got more of it. That is a hot take,
Speaker 1: but also a lot of people are saying it, so
Speaker 1: doesn't make it less of a hot take because everybody's
Speaker 1: saying that.
Speaker 2: Maybe, but I still think it's hot. It's warm.
Speaker 1: Hi. My hot take is that Shelby being Rachel's house
Speaker 1: sister makes more sense. They say in season one that
Speaker 1: her dad's used a surrogate. They both could have come
Speaker 1: from the same egg donor and then found each other
Speaker 1: on a twenty three me type situation. I'm not actually
Speaker 1: sure if that was a thing back then or not,
Speaker 1: but I think that it would have been a fun
Speaker 1: story line to follow up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't hate that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't need that either.
Speaker 2: Hot take. Glee dropped the ball not doing a summer
Speaker 2: season the year Kurt and Rachel graduated. Could have been
Speaker 2: pool parties, summer jobs, steam parks, barbecues at the Humble
Speaker 2: House would have been a blast. I fully agree. I
Speaker 2: don't think that's a hot take. I think everyone wants
Speaker 2: to see that. I don't know, you don't want to
Speaker 2: see that.
Speaker 1: No, it reminds me of like Saved by the Bell
Speaker 1: of the Camp serious season that they like go to
Speaker 1: summer camp, or like where they're the camp till it's
Speaker 1: not really.
Speaker 2: Hot take curtain, Blaine ultimately get divorced. They hear that
Speaker 2: X couple that hooks up at every reunion.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, wait, this is funny. Somebody says, hot take,
Speaker 1: I know you won't read. Well, I'm going to read it.
Speaker 1: This show would not have worked without Lea's Rachel, and
Speaker 1: the since bias to try and make Rachel some villain
Speaker 1: misses the entire point of the show and how necessary
Speaker 1: it is that she's the lead. There's many talented people
Speaker 1: in the castpout Corey has been and Lee's Rachel, and
Speaker 1: Jane is too that she truly wouldn't have fallen, would
Speaker 1: have fallen apart.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a hot take obviously either.
Speaker 1: I definitely believe that true.
Speaker 2: Rachel's the lead of the show. She's never one, and
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone's making her the villain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I do think that like online, maybe like Rael,
Speaker 1: the recent TikTokers have been like, oh, maybe Rachel was
Speaker 1: a villain, like the way.
Speaker 2: That the reason why people like her or dislike her
Speaker 2: is the same thing, Yes, exactly, And so it's like
Speaker 2: whether you like her because you don't like her, you're
Speaker 2: still watching her and like she's still necessary, yes, exactly
Speaker 2: for the show. And so like I and there's some
Speaker 2: famous people that actually had this conversation with someone and
Speaker 2: I won't see who it's about, but they have it's
Speaker 2: not about Yeah, they have quite a reputation for being difficult.
Speaker 2: And I was saying, they're so talented that I hope
Speaker 2: you know that they learn from that and I get
Speaker 2: it together because they are they are so talented. And
Speaker 2: my friend was like, well, I think what happens when
Speaker 2: you're in this industry and you are so motivated, like
Speaker 2: you have your end goal like Rachel's like I'm getting
Speaker 2: to Broadway and nothing's going to stop me, Like the
Speaker 2: train is moving, and like you're either on my side
Speaker 2: or you're against me. But like I know my point
Speaker 2: A to point B is, and so what happens when
Speaker 2: you finally get to point b, like when the dog
Speaker 2: finally catches the thing you have to like then I
Speaker 2: think that's the switch for people is they don't know
Speaker 2: how to switch that thing off, that motivation off in
Speaker 2: terms of like oh now I've made it and now
Speaker 2: I can rest no rest and be kind and sort
Speaker 2: of like it doesn't just have to be like fully focused,
Speaker 2: because when you're in that fully focused mode, like a
Speaker 2: Rachel or this other person, you can sometimes say things
Speaker 2: or treat people in a certain way that isn't necessarily
Speaker 2: the kindest because you're just complete. And I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that justifies not treating people nicely, But I think some
Speaker 2: people like Rachel, like when you get to a certain
Speaker 2: level of success, it's like the success should be enough thing, right, right, Yes,
Speaker 2: like you don't need to keep doing it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. Does that make sense to
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Yeah, yeah, no, definitely. Let's do a
Speaker 1: voice no.
Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 5: My hot take is that Rachel Berry is actually a
Speaker 5: hugely sympathetic character and widely and massively over hated by fans.
Speaker 5: I accept she's abrasive, she's blunt, and she's ruthless, but
Speaker 5: most of the time this is to protect the people
Speaker 5: or things that she loves. And there's huge and unfear
Speaker 5: double standards where people give passes to other characters doing
Speaker 5: morally reprehensible and questionable things, but condemning Rachel for stuff
Speaker 5: that I would say, honestly isn't half as bad. I'm
Speaker 5: excluding the Crackhouse incident of us, everything else I can forgive.
Speaker 5: I love her. I think she's she's flawed and she's
Speaker 5: fabulous and everything.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's funny though to me because like every fan
Speaker 1: that we've you speak about, like, I don't feel like
Speaker 1: Rachel is hated, but.
Speaker 2: Maybe we're not seeing that.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 2: Maybe we never hated. It's just like us wanting alreadyent
Speaker 2: Tina to be together, just.
Speaker 1: Like blindly like on going to Glee World without life.
Speaker 1: It's also already realizing it. I'm not getting like Rachel
Speaker 1: hate on my algorithm, you know what I mean? No, no, totally,
Speaker 1: You're right. We didn't Rachel no exactly personally, and so
Speaker 1: I think, maybe, okay, we're missing it.
Speaker 2: I see.
Speaker 1: It's funny because I didn't. I didn't realize that. I
Speaker 1: don't think. But I think if you're a bit I
Speaker 1: think if you actually watched the show, if you're not
Speaker 1: someone who's just like clocking in for a couple episodes
Speaker 1: or just seeing things on Twitter, then you know Rachel's
Speaker 1: a sympathetic character totally, and like yea outside, yes, okay.
Speaker 2: And so I've never hated Rachel.
Speaker 1: No, me neither. I think I've just been blind to it.
Speaker 2: But I think like her personality and like her storyline
Speaker 2: and drive and the way she handles it for good,
Speaker 2: the good and the bad is what the whole show
Speaker 2: is about.
Speaker 1: Well, and also though, like, let's talk about the double
Speaker 1: standard again. Like a girl, like a bad, high achieving,
Speaker 1: like wildly motivated, driven character can be hated. But a
Speaker 1: man who does that is successful and becomes a billionaire
Speaker 1: and is like highly regarded and is like respected of like, wow,
Speaker 1: look what he did. It's like, come on, you guys, fully, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, mm hmm, Okay, let's do a few more.
Speaker 1: This is a really good hot take because I feel
Speaker 1: like the thing that we've learned about season six is
Speaker 1: a lot of people wish that the Season six Newbies
Speaker 1: came in sooner, right, that we had got more time
Speaker 1: with them, that they came in season four, that they're
Speaker 1: an eclectic bunch. Well, this one says. My hat take
Speaker 1: is I don't like the Season six Newbies at all.
Speaker 1: I was actually shocked to know when everybody loves them.
Speaker 1: For me, it was obvious that they didn't make sense
Speaker 1: at all. No shade on any of the actors, of course,
Speaker 1: but they didn't click for me in any way. I mean,
Speaker 1: a thirteen year old boy weird twins of postmodern gay
Speaker 1: what does that even mean? I felt like I was
Speaker 1: watching a bad Nickelodeon spin off, and I wanted for
Speaker 1: it to end. Meanwhile, I really liked the Season four Newbies. Yes,
Speaker 1: they had some traits of the Ogs, but they had depth,
Speaker 1: pert and charisma, lots of love from Italy.
Speaker 2: Season six should have been entirely a time jump season.
Speaker 2: It was already shorter than all the others, and it
Speaker 2: became clear that there wasn't much plotline left for the
Speaker 2: Glee Club. Season six could have been a short season
Speaker 2: to explore how we got to where we were in
Speaker 2: the official time jump, how did Rachel end up a surrogate,
Speaker 2: how did she find about her Tony nam et cetera.
Speaker 2: I have to maybe agree, And this person also had
Speaker 2: another one said, now I like to think this is
Speaker 2: a hot take, but I don't know why many people do.
Speaker 2: I think Quinn Puck should have kept Beth.
Speaker 1: It would have been too expensive jet babies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, logistically it would have been a problem.
Speaker 1: Let's do We've got some other really good voice notes,
Speaker 1: I think, so let's do your voice note.
Speaker 6: Hi, I'm Ramona. I've been an og gleague since the beginning.
Speaker 6: I loved rewatching Glee with you and hearing your takes. However,
Speaker 6: I have to disagree on one thing. My hot take
Speaker 6: is that be Okay as a duet is top tier
Speaker 6: Glee duet. The harmonies are incredible. It's actually in my
Speaker 6: top ten Glee songs. Ever, Wow, I will die on
Speaker 6: this hill.
Speaker 1: I love that for you, Love that for you.
Speaker 2: Let's do another one.
Speaker 7: My spiciest hot take is that of all of the
Speaker 7: truly bonkers things that happened on Glee, the thing that
Speaker 7: was most inexplicable and that keeps me up at night
Speaker 7: and that I think about constantly to this day, is
Speaker 7: when Blaine said to Kurt, all of this bird talk.
Speaker 1: Is making me horny.
Speaker 7: Don't understand what he meant by that.
Speaker 1: Thank you for your time.
Speaker 2: Oh god, you know, and that's my favorite part about
Speaker 2: the show. Honestly keeps you up to night.
Speaker 1: Doesn't really make sense, but somewhere in the either it
Speaker 1: made sense to somebody, and it still makes you laugh.
Speaker 2: It's funny.
Speaker 1: It makes you laugh every time.
Speaker 2: Oh God, I think on that note, because I'm getting
Speaker 2: any better than that.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for you're writing in. You guys are
Speaker 1: the best. We love these spicy hot takees. We love
Speaker 1: hearing all the different different opinions. I still stand and
Speaker 1: we'll die on the hill that Arnie and Tina should
Speaker 1: have ended up together because they did so you can
Speaker 1: nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever, and that's what you really missed. Thanks for
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