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Speaker 1: training live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Broughness, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. What's up. It's Wednesday, August eighth from Oxnard, California.
Speaker 1: Welcome into Talking Cowboys. Rob Phillips, Brian brought us Mickey
Speaker 1: Spagnola at the River Ridge Complex here in Oxnard. Bill
Speaker 1: Jones has left me in the captain's chair for the
Speaker 1: remainder of training camp. We've got a preseason game tomorrow
Speaker 1: night in San Francisco. Will continue previewing that as well
Speaker 1: for the next hour. Kent Garrison has got us on
Speaker 1: the air. Thank you for that and welcome fellas. Good
Speaker 1: to be here. Better believe it's Talking Cowboys. Yeah, did
Speaker 1: you talk about cowboys last night? In your hand? Absolutely
Speaker 1: all night long? Did you? Yes? All night? All night?
Speaker 1: Who'd you harass? He mingled? That's you, He'll mingle, But
Speaker 1: he'll harass though, too. Who'd you harass? No? Nobody? Really? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you beat anybody down with your story. We're retracing the
Speaker 1: annual media party that yeah, I'm sorry about so nice
Speaker 1: to put on every year. They do it for Mickey?
Speaker 1: Is what they do? Is it just for Mackace is
Speaker 1: on the was a senior member of the media staff?
Speaker 1: Am I right? Were you the senior member there yesterday
Speaker 1: of media other than Brad Sham? Brad Sham Mike Fishers
Speaker 1: cover this team for a long time. Not as long
Speaker 1: as me. No, but I'm saying it's not as well either.
Speaker 1: But wow, Okay, I knew, I knew I could get
Speaker 1: this show started the right direction. He's going in, He's
Speaker 1: going in for two minutes in. Can I ask a
Speaker 1: real quick question? Yeah, bring Okay, I'm not gonna make
Speaker 1: it a personal thing. Was it because newspapermen generally, No,
Speaker 1: I'm just serious. I'm serious about this because you did
Speaker 1: you you covered it when there you got ink on
Speaker 1: your hands, That's right. Did you watched the show The Post?
Speaker 1: The movie The Post, which I absolutely love, great movie.
Speaker 1: You you're You're That's how newspapers? That was? Mickey? Right?
Speaker 1: Was it? Was it so competitive to this day that
Speaker 1: you don't have good relationships with guys that were that
Speaker 1: were part of that that that covered the team like
Speaker 1: you covered the team. Is there's still that bitterness somewhat,
Speaker 1: but only it seems like with the guys that were
Speaker 1: at the Morning News, we kind of got along with
Speaker 1: the guys at the Start Telegram, okay, but the gat
Speaker 1: was Galloway. Was he with you or Hernings morning? Okay? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: before he went over there, and you know guys like
Speaker 1: Gary Myers. Yeah, you know, I don't like Gary Myers either,
Speaker 1: put up with I don't like Lacey. At least now
Speaker 1: we speak civilly to each other, you know, before I
Speaker 1: just like, so if you guys were working shoulder to shoulder,
Speaker 1: it was, it was it was difficult. I never teld
Speaker 1: you my story from the preseason game in San Diego. No,
Speaker 1: you know that press box, You're like, oh, I hate that.
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait year was this nineteen eighty nine, eighty six? Maybe? Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, and we're we're in the press box and
Speaker 1: the Times heralds right now. It's good. This is good.
Speaker 1: Until the left was the Morning News, right, we had
Speaker 1: ordered that was back in the day when you had
Speaker 1: to order a phone, the phone, you had to order
Speaker 1: a phone. Yeah, they didn't provide phone, so the phone
Speaker 1: is sitting next to me, in front of me, and
Speaker 1: my guys are all to my right. Gary Myers is
Speaker 1: on my left, and they forgot to order a phone.
Speaker 1: Of course they did, right, ha ha ha right right uh.
Speaker 1: And he reaches for the phone and I go, Gary,
Speaker 1: you know that's our phone. Oh it is I go, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is ours. We paid for it. And he goes, well,
Speaker 1: it's okay if I use it. I said, you use
Speaker 1: it now. But when it gets to nine forty five, right,
Speaker 1: you can't use the phone. And and so it gets
Speaker 1: to nine forty five and all of a sudden he
Speaker 1: grabs the phone. I said, hey, what did I tell you?
Speaker 1: And I took it and I put it over and
Speaker 1: seat in front of the guy next to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, you cannot use our phone. See Vicky surprised.
Speaker 1: Vicky didn't roll up the sleeves the full day, put
Speaker 1: your Jack Johnson. You know, we did bare knuckles. We
Speaker 1: didn't get bought out by the Morning News because they
Speaker 1: out competed us. Right, Okay, you know it was a war.
Speaker 1: It was a battle. It's also just like who you are.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not just the time period, No, it
Speaker 1: is the time, it's who you are too. Who okay,
Speaker 1: who on the other team did you respect? Who is
Speaker 1: the most respected guy you said? You know when you
Speaker 1: when you were battling with those cats, who was the
Speaker 1: one guy you said? You know what? That guy he's
Speaker 1: good at his I'm trying. I'm trying to remember when
Speaker 1: see that time David Moore was at the fort Or
Speaker 1: Star Telegram. Okay, and so David Moore a young guy
Speaker 1: then and then he moved, Yeah, he moved to the
Speaker 1: morning news. Um still covering the team. Yeah. Uh? Jan Hubbard, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, um maybe maybe, and the guys that did
Speaker 1: um kind of put him on the Hi. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think. I'm trying to remember the guys, the guys
Speaker 1: that did baseball. Oh yeah, okay, who we weren't battling
Speaker 1: back in Uh David David david that NBA right, Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: the columnists, David Stevens, Yes, yes, how do I remember this? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Thank you? Yeah, David, because you read him prod I did.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed getting ink on my hand, David Davidson. Guys, guys,
Speaker 1: he was a good cat. He was a good cat.
Speaker 1: So things changed with those guys. Well, no, just the bitterness.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, because I feel like, finally it's me.
Speaker 1: It's competitive, but everybody gets along. It's like for the
Speaker 1: most part. I mean, you obviously still have your enemies,
Speaker 1: but yeah, Scouting, I'm I don't mean to throw you
Speaker 1: into me, into your story, but Scouting, they're still guys
Speaker 1: from twenty five years ago that I you know, I
Speaker 1: see them and I my teeth grind a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they do the same with me. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: hated you probably, Oh, I just got into everybody's I
Speaker 1: was always involved in everybody's business. Yeah, well not everybody's business,
Speaker 1: but I but I was so I was like Mickey,
Speaker 1: I'm competitive. Yeah, you know, I wanted our group to
Speaker 1: be better. You know, I was a little I wasn't cocky,
Speaker 1: you know, but I just you know, I think there's
Speaker 1: a certain way you do your job, but you want
Speaker 1: to be better than the guys. You're battle and you're
Speaker 1: you're the only way we got to measure ourselves. And
Speaker 1: is the wins losses, Like in those three years, I mean,
Speaker 1: I come from off a super Bowl winning team to
Speaker 1: go in five and eleven for three straight years. And
Speaker 1: the great documentary is about to come out today about
Speaker 1: that the you know, the Bill Parcels the last ride,
Speaker 1: which you were gracious enough to pay. But I'm saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: Mickey covered the team. We were god awful. We were
Speaker 1: we were got off it. It reminded me of it
Speaker 1: reminded me of a time where I'm like, gosh, can
Speaker 1: I do I know what the hell I'm doing here?
Speaker 1: Do I know? Do am I helping this team? Am
Speaker 1: I doing? That's that's the thing about I appreciate Parcels
Speaker 1: coming in and changing over. But the whole story, though,
Speaker 1: is we're all competitive. Yeah. I mean, Mickey didn't want
Speaker 1: them to get a story. I didn't want them to
Speaker 1: draft a guy. So I can understand where he's coming.
Speaker 1: I can understand the sports hate a little bit. But
Speaker 1: you know, there's some of these guys that do they
Speaker 1: rub you the wrong way and you just in it's
Speaker 1: twenty five year long grudge, you know, And and maybe
Speaker 1: that's a bad way to live. No, I mean it
Speaker 1: is probably not healthy. And in the newspaper business, you
Speaker 1: were every day with these guys. Yeah, it wasn't just
Speaker 1: here every day with these guys. You know, you're you're
Speaker 1: living training camp with him. You went out and had
Speaker 1: drinks with him last night. I did. I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: He did mingle though he did. He did move around.
Speaker 1: Oh no, he's to move around seven or Spagnola, Illinois.
Speaker 1: I got another another good one for you. No, Rob's
Speaker 1: heard this story. So it was training camp eighty six. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys had just won the rights to herschel Walker
Speaker 1: and Tom and I'm I'm in thousand Oaks in my room.
Speaker 1: I gotta do a big, long takeout on herschel Walker.
Speaker 1: And I called him put a. I got a phone number,
Speaker 1: called him, left a message. It is eleven o'clock out here,
Speaker 1: So that's two o'clock in the morning in New Jersey
Speaker 1: where he was staying and probably Trump Tower or whatever
Speaker 1: wherever he was. And I get a phone call, Hi,
Speaker 1: this is herschel Walker voice, herschel Walker. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: I've never heard this story and I I wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: buy it. Like he's calling me at two am. And
Speaker 1: my college roommate covered Georgia for the Atlanta Paper when
Speaker 1: he was playing there, and he had his voice down
Speaker 1: perfectly high pitch, high pitch kind of squealing, and I go,
Speaker 1: this is John. I just know it's John and I'm
Speaker 1: not buying in and I just like, hi, thanks for
Speaker 1: calling me back, and I and I just like innocuous
Speaker 1: stuff because I didn't believe it was him, right, well
Speaker 1: it was him. Yeah. Finally it came around and I said, oh,
Speaker 1: this is really him. So we have this half hour conversation.
Speaker 1: I had written this long story. Now I got to
Speaker 1: go back and put stuff in him. Right. So at
Speaker 1: the end, he goes, um, do you know Gary Myers?
Speaker 1: And I go, yeah, I do, and he goes, well,
Speaker 1: he uh. He tried to call me too, and I
Speaker 1: didn't get an answer for him. Could you leave him
Speaker 1: a message that I called? And I said absolutely, I
Speaker 1: will no story. He never got that message. Good deal. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's competitive in the newspaper business, competitive
Speaker 1: and scouting environment. It's competitive on the football field, right.
Speaker 1: You gotta respect for your opponent, but you gotta, you know,
Speaker 1: do whatever it takes to win. The Cowboys are trying
Speaker 1: to lay that foundation these last two weeks in camp.
Speaker 1: They've got a game tomorrow. That's a really good transition
Speaker 1: on his part. Thank you, Thank you, broadcaster. Then one
Speaker 1: more week when they get back on Friday, running of days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: before they get back to Frisco and then continue training
Speaker 1: camp there. Let's continue evaluating what we've seen and maybe
Speaker 1: take an eye towards tomorrow night. Hey, let me touch
Speaker 1: on what you just said. Go ahead. So you finished
Speaker 1: training camp here, but it's not over, No, it's not.
Speaker 1: So do the coaches have to work really hard when
Speaker 1: they get back to get them to start concentrating again
Speaker 1: like they did here because now you're home, you're living
Speaker 1: at home, you got your family. Do you lose your
Speaker 1: concentration on what you gotta do because this is gonna
Speaker 1: be two of days there too, and you got a
Speaker 1: young team. That's a good point. The thing that I
Speaker 1: think you get their attention is you remind them every
Speaker 1: day that the days are running out. You know, you're
Speaker 1: trying to make a football team. I mean, there's there's
Speaker 1: a lot of spots that are up for this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on this team, it's not and there's no cuts, yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's no cuts to the final one. So you
Speaker 1: have got to carry this thing through September first, you know,
Speaker 1: and even after September one. There's other teams playing preseason
Speaker 1: games too, and they might determine that, you know, you're
Speaker 1: not good enough, and we're gonna go get this guy
Speaker 1: from the Buccaneers or we're gonna get this guy from
Speaker 1: the Rams. So there's I think to answer your question, Mickey,
Speaker 1: there's always that pressure if you if you don't realize
Speaker 1: what's ahead and stay focused, you're gonna get cut. Because
Speaker 1: if you if you lose at the at the final ten,
Speaker 1: you know, twelve days or whatever we're at right now,
Speaker 1: if you start losing concentration, don't play, don't practice well,
Speaker 1: don't play well in the preseason, it won't matter. But
Speaker 1: you've got to You've got to carry this thing through.
Speaker 1: I mean, when you get back home, Yeah, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be more distractions because you're probably gonna be sleeping in
Speaker 1: your own bed, You're probably gonna be family members are
Speaker 1: gonna be around. But you got to focus in on
Speaker 1: where you at, where are you right now, on as
Speaker 1: far as the roster, where you're on the depth chart,
Speaker 1: all these things. You need to be like Antoine Woods,
Speaker 1: those guys mean, Mickey's brought his name up a long
Speaker 1: time ago. Yeah, you need to keep pushing. You need
Speaker 1: to keep pushing Rico Gathers, keep pushing to try and
Speaker 1: make them make a decision about you as a as
Speaker 1: a tied end on this team. What do you think happens? Now?
Speaker 1: They'll put the young guys up in the hotel, Yeah
Speaker 1: next door, have a job, yeah next Now will there
Speaker 1: be curfews? Dallas ism Frisco's a nice down and you've
Speaker 1: been you know, kind of held up here for three
Speaker 1: three and a half. But a lot of these players,
Speaker 1: if you remember, guys every day at the start, when
Speaker 1: we come to work, we look on the field, A
Speaker 1: lot of those rookies are out there running. I wonder
Speaker 1: if somebody get kids have got apartments and stuff already,
Speaker 1: so maybe they don't need to be but yeah, next door,
Speaker 1: the kids that don't have places, they put next door.
Speaker 1: But I think it's I think it's you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know about the curfew aspect of it, but I
Speaker 1: feel like though that there's you have to monitor what's
Speaker 1: going up. But you need your own self discipline, if
Speaker 1: you know, if you look what happened in Cleveland with
Speaker 1: that kid, you know, you know Callaway, you know he
Speaker 1: gets in trouble and now it's news and you know,
Speaker 1: now his careers started off badly, you know that way
Speaker 1: you just can't find yourself to get you can't be
Speaker 1: getting in trouble because don't give them a reason to
Speaker 1: cut you. Make them cut you or keep you because
Speaker 1: of what you're doing on the field, not because you're
Speaker 1: at or find establishments around the star and having a
Speaker 1: little bit too much fun out out of the deck
Speaker 1: of concrete Cowboy, And Yeah, I don't think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's an easy walking though. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: is an easy walk in plain side of Ford Center.
Speaker 1: And now they just can't lose focus. That's that's the thing.
Speaker 1: But I don't I don't worry about that as much
Speaker 1: as I would for another football team in this team's past,
Speaker 1: because of I mean, we've gone up and down the roster.
Speaker 1: There's there's some guys that you know what their spots are.
Speaker 1: Most of the guys don't. I mean, they may make
Speaker 1: the team, but they're not guaranteed to start. They're not
Speaker 1: guaranteed to get consistent snaps. I think you've talked about
Speaker 1: wide receiver the team. The guys that are gonna make
Speaker 1: the team at wide receiver are going to be the
Speaker 1: most consistent guys for three and a half weeks and
Speaker 1: then into the star practices as well. Maybe the good
Speaker 1: thing is is when they return, you got a game
Speaker 1: to play the next day, right, and so it'll be
Speaker 1: treated like a night before a game. Everybody will be um.
Speaker 1: You know, you try and scramble the best you can't
Speaker 1: in the hotel, and then the night before they stay
Speaker 1: at the hotel. But then there's that that next day
Speaker 1: it's a day off. Yeah, and then you get back
Speaker 1: on Monday and you gotta get reminded that hey, we
Speaker 1: got two days and this stuff is not over. You know,
Speaker 1: you changed locations, but it's not over. And I could
Speaker 1: remember back in the day when they had split camps
Speaker 1: and we changed locations and the next practice was just
Speaker 1: got off. Yeah. Well, and to your point, this is
Speaker 1: kind of a that's a good point. This is always
Speaker 1: a benchmark time for me anyway, watching a team around camp,
Speaker 1: these last two practices that they've had, because they had
Speaker 1: one in the afternoon, typical pad practice. Then you turn
Speaker 1: around and you have Garrett has been grinding them so
Speaker 1: much he decided, let's see you get something out of
Speaker 1: these practices if you scout them. Yeah, okay, So what
Speaker 1: did you think of those last two practices? Because you're
Speaker 1: to a point in camp where they've been grinding in pads.
Speaker 1: They see an opponent coming up and they're sick of
Speaker 1: each other. Right, what have you seen these last two days?
Speaker 1: If I could real quick, Mickey, I'll tell you where
Speaker 1: it became very evident to me. Standing in the corner
Speaker 1: of this exact corner we're behind, they throw a vertical
Speaker 1: route to Tavon Austin along with Jordan Lewis and coverage,
Speaker 1: and both are on the dead sprint to try and
Speaker 1: get the balls overthrown. And what happens. Instead of jogging back,
Speaker 1: they both turned and walked together up the field and
Speaker 1: you and you could this was the non pad. This
Speaker 1: this is where I think Garrett looked at his team
Speaker 1: a little bit and he saw how much these receivers
Speaker 1: are running and these defensive backs are running non stop.
Speaker 1: You go down here, linebacker drills, Ben Bloom. I know
Speaker 1: it's football, folks, I get it, I really do. But you,
Speaker 1: as a former guy, former scout, you get something out
Speaker 1: of these practice. You can evaluate how hard the practice is.
Speaker 1: I give Garrett a lot of credit for that, the
Speaker 1: tempo of the practice, the physicality of the practice. But
Speaker 1: I think he looked at guys like I saw my
Speaker 1: own eyes, you know, Tabon Fraser, Tabon Austin, who can
Speaker 1: run all day, and him and Jordan Lewis are kind
Speaker 1: of like both kind of looking at each other like, okay,
Speaker 1: we survived another one. And then they go walking back,
Speaker 1: but you could tell there's a little bit of soreness
Speaker 1: to him. You know, he's just trying to help them
Speaker 1: get through. And I think there's a lot of guys
Speaker 1: that are like those two guys out there. And it
Speaker 1: sounded like he made a mental note during that practice
Speaker 1: that hey, I may need to talk to my staff
Speaker 1: and we may need to tail it back a little
Speaker 1: bit on him. They did. How about the one the
Speaker 1: compete thing with vander eshh, Yeah, and he was gonna
Speaker 1: go for the fourth time in a row, and they
Speaker 1: were running wheel routes and he's running thirty forty yards
Speaker 1: downfield trying to cover the full back up and he
Speaker 1: goes back up there and it's like, well, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna make that guy, Garrett, I mean, Garrett's gas. I
Speaker 1: give Garrett credit again for that too. Garrett looked at
Speaker 1: like quickly Bloom tries to or that no Brown tries
Speaker 1: to send an Ola Wally on yah run. Garrett's like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: what's going on here? You know? And the vanders is
Speaker 1: like he's just lining up, like, hey, I'll do whatever
Speaker 1: you want me to do. But yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: Garrett that It's one of my criticisms of Garrett has
Speaker 1: been not knowing the condition of his team. It's sometimes
Speaker 1: in games, you know, And there he showed me, Hey,
Speaker 1: he learned, he's seen something. He was able to read
Speaker 1: his team. He knew these guys had been practicing hard.
Speaker 1: He wasn't just throwing him a bone because he's a
Speaker 1: good guy. He was throwing him. He was throwing him
Speaker 1: a bone because he was He's like, Okay, I've worked
Speaker 1: these guys hard. They've They've given me everything that I've
Speaker 1: asked from them, and a little bit more. I need
Speaker 1: to back off him a little bit. I think that
Speaker 1: was a smart play getting ready. You want these guys
Speaker 1: in tomorrow night in San Francisco to be at their
Speaker 1: absolute best. I mean, somebody actually came up to me
Speaker 1: after that practice and said his Vanderish in bad shape.
Speaker 1: I go, what are you talking about? And he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: I saw him Ben over grabbing his shorts and I said,
Speaker 1: do you do you realize what took place? You know?
Speaker 1: And to your point, think about the day before the
Speaker 1: blue white practice when he did the little deal where okay,
Speaker 1: pick a guy, a non skilled guy to catch a punt.
Speaker 1: If he catches it, we're not running, and he kind
Speaker 1: of knew they didn't need to run, right, you know.
Speaker 1: And then and then that's Martin catches the ball and
Speaker 1: everybody goes crazy. But he was starting to see, you
Speaker 1: know what, I better start backing off. Just you know,
Speaker 1: those wide receivers at one point there was only seven
Speaker 1: of them out right, and and you could see they're
Speaker 1: running and running and running, and then they're running the
Speaker 1: sprints at the end and then the sprints at the end,
Speaker 1: and they were they were in they were in last.
Speaker 1: The seven of them were all in last place every time,
Speaker 1: and they were just dragon. I think, like I say,
Speaker 1: he's been critical before, but knowing your team is part
Speaker 1: of the coaching dealing. I think that if you check that,
Speaker 1: mark Off is like, hey, I think he's understanding it.
Speaker 1: He has to do the age. These practices are great
Speaker 1: to watch from a fence if you're out here along
Speaker 1: the fence line, or if you're standing on the end
Speaker 1: zone like we get to you know, you could see it.
Speaker 1: Do you watch what we do with training Camp live?
Speaker 1: You could see the competitive aspect of practice. It's a
Speaker 1: it's a grind every every rep, no doubt about it. Well, Nick,
Speaker 1: let's back off for just a couple of minutes, take
Speaker 1: a break, come back. Nine seven two four nine seven
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Speaker 1: So I think everybody will enjoy it. It chronicles the
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Speaker 1: Can I promote one another thing? Hit it? Okay? We
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Speaker 1: All right, let's let's hit the phone lines. First call
Speaker 1: of the show, Miles in Connecticut. What's up? You're on
Speaker 1: talking cowboys? Hey guys, how you doing? A long time listener?
Speaker 1: A big, big fan of the show. Great, thanks, I
Speaker 1: just wanted to say to my main man, Brian there
Speaker 1: man if he if he loved football and the xes
Speaker 1: and os and all that, Brian, you're You're a dream
Speaker 1: for all of us. Thank you appreciate that. It's very
Speaker 1: kind of really really appreciate it. So I know we've
Speaker 1: got a lot of depth and a lot of positions
Speaker 1: across the board, especially on defense. And who's like the
Speaker 1: guy for all you guys like your pet cat right now,
Speaker 1: the guy who'd like bang on the table for to
Speaker 1: make this team. That's a good question, he had. The
Speaker 1: original one, you were the first guy question? Was first
Speaker 1: guy to talk about Antoine really, because I was standing
Speaker 1: there next to Clancy Pendergast, the Cowboys former assistant who's
Speaker 1: at USC. I'm talking with him and number sixty four
Speaker 1: comes walking by. I got no idea who he is.
Speaker 1: And Jerry looks at him and starts saying, Hey, you
Speaker 1: know what got my eye on you? Yeah, got my
Speaker 1: eye on you, and he says, don't let up, and
Speaker 1: the kid turns and goes, I don't know what that means, right,
Speaker 1: And I instantly said, I like this guy. I don't
Speaker 1: know anything about him. So I started asking Clancy and
Speaker 1: he goes, oh, yeah, that's my guy, donnah, and then
Speaker 1: you go talk to him and it's like okay. And
Speaker 1: then the next day or two days later, he's in
Speaker 1: that goal line drill, you know, making tackles, getting penetration,
Speaker 1: doing the little worm crawl on the ground, and it's like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: let's keep an eye on this guy. And then the
Speaker 1: next day he's on the first team. It's amazing, he's
Speaker 1: done a nice job and he hell, at this point
Speaker 1: he might be your week one starter, ye, the way
Speaker 1: things are going, because yeah, I mean he got well
Speaker 1: you got jahad Ward in that mix. Remember he came
Speaker 1: he Malik played the three technique right originally his rookie
Speaker 1: years did. Maybe it's those two guys. It's two big
Speaker 1: bodies inside if you're gonna do it that way, But yeah,
Speaker 1: you got a pet cat Bran. Well, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what I've kind of gone through my mind of you know,
Speaker 1: initially it really started up. I love what I'm seeing
Speaker 1: with these cornerbacks, you know, and I think if you
Speaker 1: again you go through what a what I wrote today
Speaker 1: on for Dallas Scotways dot com and he went position
Speaker 1: by positions today just kind of give me a yeah,
Speaker 1: give it a read. But you know we've early initially
Speaker 1: Donovan Olumba was showing me some things and number thirty
Speaker 1: two at the corner, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: there's here comes Davis Ward, Verius Ward. He comes in.
Speaker 1: Now he's starting to play. I'm interested to see because
Speaker 1: there's gonna be there's a battle. There's gonna be a
Speaker 1: battle for those I think for that final two spots.
Speaker 1: Who is going to be I think he could probably
Speaker 1: get four. But if they keeps six, who is going
Speaker 1: to be the guy with Ward, with Alumba, with Duke Thomas,
Speaker 1: you know, with that group, who who is going to
Speaker 1: be the guys that play well enough in mar kids
Speaker 1: White's I'm saying, there's I think there's four guys battling
Speaker 1: for two spots spots and and maybe maybe if if
Speaker 1: three of those guys show up out of the four, okay,
Speaker 1: does that allow you to maybe move somebody to pick
Speaker 1: up something from another team. Again, I'm looking at positions
Speaker 1: that maybe have a little but the best surplus to
Speaker 1: get the best return. So you know, maybe this is
Speaker 1: a position need to keep an eye on. If somebody
Speaker 1: in that group of six, you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: I don't think they trade starters and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: but some of those backups keep an eye on that position.
Speaker 1: But the pet Cats, it's got to be those cornerbacks
Speaker 1: right now, because I'm fascinated to see which one of
Speaker 1: them will, which two of them of those five and
Speaker 1: six will make this football team. About you, well, I've
Speaker 1: been watching wide receiver probably more than any position in camp.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm I'm fascinated with how many guys they've
Speaker 1: got in camp and how many guys could potentially make
Speaker 1: this team if they have a strong enough preseason. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys that have some talent. They've
Speaker 1: just got to put it all together and they got
Speaker 1: to figure out the right and mix for Dak One
Speaker 1: guy who's gonna make the team, who I just Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup to me, is going to be a very good
Speaker 1: player in this league. I don't know if it's gonna
Speaker 1: happen this year where he's gonna be a go to guy,
Speaker 1: but I've seen it. You guys have seen it. Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones told us during the Blue White You know, they
Speaker 1: just they love him. They think he's got a really
Speaker 1: high ceiling it's just gonna be a matter of consistency
Speaker 1: from him. So I can't wait to see what he
Speaker 1: does in the preseason games. A guy that is more
Speaker 1: on the bubble is lancelo Or Junior. Yeah, and Mickey
Speaker 1: and I were watching practice two days ago and you
Speaker 1: kind of nudge me and said, he's gonna steal somebody's job.
Speaker 1: And he keeps this up. Now, I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen. I think he had a drop or
Speaker 1: two later, one drop, yeah, yeah, after he made some
Speaker 1: fabulous catch. He's made some circus catches. I think every
Speaker 1: day in my notes that I put out that, I
Speaker 1: think every day I've written about him making a catch,
Speaker 1: and it's almost been the catch of the day, you know,
Speaker 1: whether it's a turning, adjusting, reaching one hand, leap diving,
Speaker 1: diving off the ground, lunging, you know, he's I'm just
Speaker 1: very hopeful of these guys that were mentioning that they've
Speaker 1: looked good in camp. I just hope they can all
Speaker 1: carry into the games. I just don't need I don't need,
Speaker 1: I don't need, uh, I don't need Woods to look
Speaker 1: so good against Zack Martin and Travis Frederick and those
Speaker 1: guys and then go out there and get blocked by
Speaker 1: some backup. There's obviously some reason Tennessee let him go, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I mean people make mistakes. Yeah, he's not. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have the measurables that you look at. Yeah, who
Speaker 1: knows how the style of defense they're playing, they're knowing
Speaker 1: and and and speaking of Lenor, just from watching the practices,
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna be the first one up on punt
Speaker 1: return to Uh. They they think he can do that.
Speaker 1: And if he can do that, then he separates himself
Speaker 1: from maybe some of the other you know, not Beasily.
Speaker 1: Of course, Beasley is your guy inside the twenties, go
Speaker 1: catch it, but you know, maybe maybe they get if
Speaker 1: they're using Tavon Austin in so many different ways, maybe
Speaker 1: they take that away from him. If Lenora can do it. Now,
Speaker 1: remember we saw him last year and then he got
Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame game and the ball clanks
Speaker 1: off number fourteen's chest. Yeah, and when rams game too, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you said that, Brian reminded me of a guy.
Speaker 1: And I'm not knocking him. He's not here anymore. Andy Jones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had a terrific set of practices out here a
Speaker 1: year or two ago, and then the price season games
Speaker 1: came along and he struggled, you know, just got here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: trying to run routes inside. He's dropped, and I remember
Speaker 1: that he made but he made the practice, he made
Speaker 1: the practice squad or they cut him. I don't think
Speaker 1: they brought him back because I remember talking to somebody
Speaker 1: and they said, you know, sometimes you get out there
Speaker 1: and the lights are too bright. Yeah, yeah, that's I
Speaker 1: just want these guys that are all in competitive situations.
Speaker 1: And that's just the selfiest side of me, because yeah,
Speaker 1: I want Will McClay the front off as the coaches.
Speaker 1: I want them to be able to put the best
Speaker 1: fifty three together they can just so they can go
Speaker 1: compete against the Eagles and the Giants and the Redskins
Speaker 1: and Carolina. I that's that's what you want. You want whatever,
Speaker 1: these young guys that can step up and make plays.
Speaker 1: That's important. You know, you don't want to be a
Speaker 1: team that's gone all through training camp and then you
Speaker 1: have to claim like four guys because your guys can't
Speaker 1: make plays. Right now, You're having to start from square
Speaker 1: one with those guys. She's like, Okay, well, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not against claiming one or two guys, I'm really not.
Speaker 1: But some of these teams have to claim four or
Speaker 1: five six guys just because their their roster is not
Speaker 1: good enough. And I'm hopeful that everybody that's on this
Speaker 1: roster currently when we get to the September one, you
Speaker 1: know that way say well, it's gonna be a difficult cut.
Speaker 1: It's really not because you know who you're gonna you know,
Speaker 1: you know who you want to play with, but you
Speaker 1: want to be that you want to be that team
Speaker 1: that's been able to say, Okay, man, we gotta go
Speaker 1: with this guy, we gotta go with this guy, we
Speaker 1: gotta go with this guy, you know, and we all
Speaker 1: picked kind of somewhat visible position backup offensive line. That's
Speaker 1: that's a good that's a goold group. Yeah, what what
Speaker 1: do they got there? Well, they've got a good starting five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we know. I think Joe Looney's played himself into a
Speaker 1: position where you could kind of say, wow, Joe. I
Speaker 1: think Joe Looney looks like a different player out here.
Speaker 1: He's nick he brought up. Maybe he's in better shape.
Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't look as round as Joe Looney
Speaker 1: normally looks and I think when you watch him fake
Speaker 1: zeke you the fake ze. But you watch him go
Speaker 1: up against Woods, who we kind we like, and you
Speaker 1: see him go against Jahad Warden those guys, you know,
Speaker 1: he's playing on his feet, he's square, he's he's got
Speaker 1: his hands inside, you know. And he got into blue
Speaker 1: the Blue White practice the other day with the starting
Speaker 1: five or the starting at that time. You know, he
Speaker 1: was with the first first group. They didn't really miss
Speaker 1: a beat, you know, with him in there there. You know,
Speaker 1: he's the one thing I have notice with Joe, snaps
Speaker 1: tend to be a little high sometimes and shotgun. We
Speaker 1: need to kind of work on that and get that
Speaker 1: spread up. But other than that, his mobility and agility,
Speaker 1: it's been really good. And it's deceptive because you look
Speaker 1: at him and you go huh, and then he's got
Speaker 1: the jumbo Joe damaged classical. He is a clown, but
Speaker 1: he has shown he can play and he can probably
Speaker 1: play guard too, But you still need a legitimate backup guard.
Speaker 1: I don't think they know if they've got that guy, well, well,
Speaker 1: could it beat Marcus Martin if he can get I
Speaker 1: guess weight wise, where he wants to be. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's the case. He's been conditioning out here.
Speaker 1: To sound crazy, I think Kadeem Edwards has played better
Speaker 1: than him. Yeah yeah, I think you know number seven,
Speaker 1: Kadeem Edwards is not the strongest guy, but Kadeem Edwards is.
Speaker 1: He's He's again. The mobility is good, the agility is good.
Speaker 1: You know, he's Marcus Martin needs a wake up call.
Speaker 1: He does, and maybe because they took him off the
Speaker 1: field a couple of times. They said, listen, you're too
Speaker 1: you're too big, you know, don't go beat don't go
Speaker 1: go eat with Brian broad Us at at lunch and
Speaker 1: dinner over here, you know, go go something you know
Speaker 1: has been Go to the Mickey Spagnola area and heat,
Speaker 1: you know, the salad and stuff like that. Don't go
Speaker 1: do you know do that? You know? I you know
Speaker 1: they brought him in. He's probably thinking, hey, I got
Speaker 1: a job. Everything's okay, but there there's some questions about
Speaker 1: him making this football. He's got to do more than
Speaker 1: take up space, and he takes up a lot of space.
Speaker 1: His body taught. Yeah, go ahead, I know I'm saying,
Speaker 1: but at some point you gotta play. Yeah, And and
Speaker 1: then you know who's who I mean back up center? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is it Zach? Well? Yeah, Joe And you know Zach Martin.
Speaker 1: I saw it, he practiced, practiced, And then and then
Speaker 1: the tackles you're gonna keep two of those guys, you know,
Speaker 1: is is is fleming the answer? See, this is where
Speaker 1: you're counting on. This is where I wrote about today though,
Speaker 1: because and people don't you know, Vick and Ventura does
Speaker 1: not want me to say this, But since they've moved
Speaker 1: Chad's green to write tackle, he's played better. Yes, he
Speaker 1: has played better. His reps have been better, his technique
Speaker 1: has been better, his footwork has been better. He hasn't
Speaker 1: he doesn't get he doesn't look out of sorts when
Speaker 1: he's setting, and you know he's doing some things in
Speaker 1: the running game to cut off. He hasn't been terrible
Speaker 1: with that. So folks, trust me, keep an open mind
Speaker 1: about what's going on at this tackle spot. They have
Speaker 1: not given up on Chad's green, and neither should you.
Speaker 1: And you know, and I trust me. I know out
Speaker 1: there everybody's throwing their pins and getting mad at me
Speaker 1: for saying that. But if if he can if he's
Speaker 1: better than Fleming. You know, he's he's playing games for
Speaker 1: you and had success. But he did have a disaster
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. We all know that. But we shouldn't just
Speaker 1: judge him on the Atlanta game. You know, this right
Speaker 1: tackle thing now, I don't know if he could be
Speaker 1: your swing tackle, Mickey, because if you put him back
Speaker 1: over on the left side, maybe he's not confident on
Speaker 1: the left side. Maybe he's much more confident on the
Speaker 1: right side. But if they keep working with him on
Speaker 1: the right side, maybe he will develop some confidence to
Speaker 1: get over on that left side and give Cam Fleming
Speaker 1: a run for his money. You know. I mean I
Speaker 1: was talking to with once that you think they wouldn't
Speaker 1: keep both, right, they would keep they would keep one
Speaker 1: if there's some people, there's some people. If he can, yeah,
Speaker 1: they could they have before? Yeah, I mean that's that's
Speaker 1: guard center, guard two tackles. It's it's hard. You would
Speaker 1: like a developmental guy though, right, that's where maybe the
Speaker 1: Buccaneers guy or the Saints guy. Yeah, that's what they did.
Speaker 1: Who's my guy? I always forget his name. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: I do this because I played some games. Jonville. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jeremy Parnell. Jeremy Parnell. Jeremy Parnell came off the Saints
Speaker 1: like practice squad. You know, they kind of they got
Speaker 1: an idea of where you know, Jeremy Parnell was serviceable
Speaker 1: for you. I mean, he did it, he did it.
Speaker 1: Was it terrible? I mean, I know there were some
Speaker 1: times where he Mickey I could feel just I could
Speaker 1: feel Mickey just burning holes in here right now. But
Speaker 1: I mean it's not the sun, but he's he got
Speaker 1: signed and paid. But but he wasn't terrible. Well he was,
Speaker 1: he was, but to your point, he was truly developmental.
Speaker 1: He was a basketball player at all. Right, Yeah, right, See,
Speaker 1: this is where I would maybe do with our basketball
Speaker 1: guy number eighty. I'd maybe teach him how to be
Speaker 1: an offensive tackle. He's two eighty two right now. Maybe
Speaker 1: if you worked with him full time on being attack
Speaker 1: just being a tackle. Yes, but don't worry about runner
Speaker 1: routes anymore. God had you three years now trying to
Speaker 1: make him a tight end, and he's showing progress. You know,
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. Yeah, but you tackle eligible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that call. I could do that,
Speaker 1: you could do that. I just to me. I don't
Speaker 1: give up on Chaz Green. I swear the mentions right
Speaker 1: now on Twitter are going and he's probably been drinking
Speaker 1: his gatorade because he's finished all finished practices. But I
Speaker 1: think I think he I think he's one of those
Speaker 1: guys that got beat down. I'm pulling for I think
Speaker 1: he really got beat down by the whole There's people,
Speaker 1: there's people I've talked to the believe that you could
Speaker 1: actually trade him and get something. And people again are going, oh,
Speaker 1: bag of balls, bucket of gatorade. You know No, there's
Speaker 1: there's and you know what, And the other part about it,
Speaker 1: he's he's really a nice guy. He's a super nice guy.
Speaker 1: But he's pay because he's a nice guy. Pulling for
Speaker 1: him because they need somebody. They need somebody to step
Speaker 1: up if something happens to one of those tackles. They
Speaker 1: need that. After the game, he has talent number one
Speaker 1: and number two. After Atlanta, he stood there in front
Speaker 1: of fifty media guys and when he knew he was
Speaker 1: got awful and stood there and took all the questions.
Speaker 1: That's on the coaches too, now, yeah, yeah, that's on
Speaker 1: the coaches. You can't be late to change. And I
Speaker 1: think the coaches realize that, and and and and maybe
Speaker 1: the good thing too out here is they haven't screwed
Speaker 1: around with them at at at guard, Yes, he spin
Speaker 1: at tackle the whole Carrot admitted that he admitted that,
Speaker 1: All right, well, we'll keep an eye on number seventy nine, Thursday,
Speaker 1: five and sixty, all of them. Yeah, all but see what,
Speaker 1: let me see another thing. You need those backup guys
Speaker 1: to be good to help your evaluation of your quarterback
Speaker 1: in the running back, Yeah, give Cooper rush the chance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: give Cooper Rushing a chance. You got some veteran guys.
Speaker 1: Joe Looney playing center will help. You know. You got Flemming,
Speaker 1: he started a Super Bowl, you know, get him out there.
Speaker 1: You know. If Chaz Green's playing right tackle, hold up
Speaker 1: Chaz Green, do good, do the best you can, you know,
Speaker 1: and then kind of work some things around with the guard.
Speaker 1: Marcus Martin has played in the league, go with him.
Speaker 1: You want these linemen to give Cooper rush In Mike
Speaker 1: White a chance so you can evaluate not only the receivers,
Speaker 1: but how about those runners. Right, you got, I think
Speaker 1: you got, I think you got with three runners for
Speaker 1: one spot Am I right about this the way the
Speaker 1: runners are? Yes, because I think I think Jackson, I
Speaker 1: think Derris Jackson's got his name in the race. Now
Speaker 1: see that's I'm saying. Jackson's in the race, Scarborough's in
Speaker 1: the race, Williams is in the race. You want to
Speaker 1: see one of those guys. You want to see one
Speaker 1: of those guys really emerged. Now, traditionally they keep draft picks.
Speaker 1: That's this NFL. That's just not the Cowboys. But traditionally
Speaker 1: they keep draft picks. But you want to be able
Speaker 1: to evaluate those guys. And if you have a good line,
Speaker 1: it helps the quarterback receivers, help the QUEI know, you
Speaker 1: get a good evaluation if your whole team with a
Speaker 1: with a veteran group of guys playing in front, soast go.
Speaker 1: So we just talked about the entire second team offensive line.
Speaker 1: Is there anybody behind that that you say, well, he's
Speaker 1: a he's a practice squad. I was wrong about Jake Campos,
Speaker 1: the kid from Iowa number sixty three. I hated him
Speaker 1: and No, camp Yes, his feet, his feet are better
Speaker 1: than they were at Iowa State. He looked like a
Speaker 1: disastered at Iowa. Stay he's I always keep saying not
Speaker 1: strong enough yet. But you know what, he might be
Speaker 1: one of these guys that I saw every morning in
Speaker 1: the Star eating breakfast. I didn't know who the hell
Speaker 1: he was, you know, physical, what he looked like, and
Speaker 1: he had to stay the whole time and work and
Speaker 1: all that. His footwork is much better. They play him
Speaker 1: on the N six. That's I was gonna say, the
Speaker 1: only guy of that group. I've noticed that Jap three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I never put a name with Yeah, Jay Campos, he
Speaker 1: must have done something. But the time he walked off
Speaker 1: the campus at aims to the time he walked on
Speaker 1: to Star. Yeah, because he's made me look like a fool.
Speaker 1: Because if you go back and read my scouting reporter
Speaker 1: whim Iowa stayed, it was not glowing at all. It
Speaker 1: was very questionable. Now did you say just say this?
Speaker 1: Because I was trying to find sixty three. He's been
Speaker 1: out on the field at the Star, working by himself.
Speaker 1: That's the deal. He's by himself an offensive line, he's
Speaker 1: got his footwork has become better. It's not a strong guy.
Speaker 1: He'll get an opportun you'll see him. Hopefully he didn't
Speaker 1: get called for holding or get somebody hurt. But but
Speaker 1: so far, so good. I've been. I have to submit
Speaker 1: I've been. I was wrong about my scouting report about him.
Speaker 1: If you go back and read it, didn't see a
Speaker 1: quick foot. The guy NIC's got better, and you know what,
Speaker 1: that's what Gerard has been working with him, and not
Speaker 1: here because gird is kind of with the defense. But
Speaker 1: back at the Star, I've seen him out there doing
Speaker 1: the little ladder drill that's on the on the field, right.
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Speaker 1: to the phone lines. Tim in Boston, You're up next.
Speaker 1: What's up? Hey, guys? Lets taking my college appreciate Hey,
Speaker 1: quick question, Jordan Lewis. Haven't heard his name a lot
Speaker 1: so far? Yeah, kidding, number forty the award, hearing quite
Speaker 1: a bit of him. Sure, what are you guys seeing
Speaker 1: as far as uh, you know, obviously forty. He fits
Speaker 1: that prototypical guy that I knew secondary coach likes a
Speaker 1: lot um. You see him stepping up and possibly, you know,
Speaker 1: competing for that job. And I think the thing that
Speaker 1: makes me nervous is I've heard nothing on Jordan Lewis. Brian, Okay,
Speaker 1: thanks for the call, Tim, Brian. That was our male
Speaker 1: back question today. Brian took offense to that question a
Speaker 1: little bit. He's talk he's written about him some, we've
Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about Cheeto and admiring he just
Speaker 1: hasn't made any like spectacular players or anything. But he's
Speaker 1: been solid. When we talk about the second that This
Speaker 1: is what bothered me out the question Tim and Boss.
Speaker 1: I loved him. I loved him a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I loved to have Tim's voice to do radio with.
Speaker 1: I would call called the game with Tim's voice. I'd
Speaker 1: be good shape, definitely. But the thing, I just kind
Speaker 1: of this thing, I feel like we talk about the
Speaker 1: secondary guys. I feel like I talk about you know,
Speaker 1: when we write about it, and people I haven't heard
Speaker 1: much of, and yeah we've heard, you know, when when
Speaker 1: guys make plays, you talk about him, Like Mickey said,
Speaker 1: but there's times when we were just mentioning about you know,
Speaker 1: we just mentioned about him running a vertical route with
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin. You know, it's kind of how you work.
Speaker 1: But I think I think it's easy for him to
Speaker 1: slip through a little bit because Byron's been a star
Speaker 1: in camp Geto looks great and everybody's watching up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's been solid his coverage. I don't think I give
Speaker 1: guys enough credit for coverage. That's what I'm with you
Speaker 1: on this, Mickey, because I but I feel like when
Speaker 1: they do do something well, that's that's the easiest thing
Speaker 1: for me to write about. When when Michael Gallop is
Speaker 1: going against Jordan Lewis in a compete period and a
Speaker 1: that's the easiest thing in the world to write about.
Speaker 1: You could say technique was really good covered or Michael
Speaker 1: Gallop ran this route kind of spun Jordan Lewis. That's
Speaker 1: that's how you mentioned these guys. But man, if if
Speaker 1: you said, Okay, hey, Brian, haven't heard a lot about
Speaker 1: Katie Cannon. I'm with you. You got me, you got me,
Speaker 1: the great words of Rowan Cabner. You got me, you know,
Speaker 1: you know. And sometimes that's that's when you talk about
Speaker 1: these guys. When you don't hear about a guy, sometimes
Speaker 1: that's good because he hadn't done anything like really bad,
Speaker 1: Like I don't Vanderesh, Yeah, Vanderes. People are like, how's
Speaker 1: Vanderesh playing? And I'm like, he talk about him. He
Speaker 1: hasn't been terrible. Is there things he needs to work on? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: But does he make does he make plays? Does he
Speaker 1: do what he's supposed to do responsibility wise? Yeah? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: My star of the day. The other day there was
Speaker 1: Chris Rochard was amazing, right, I love that. Did you
Speaker 1: hear about that him yelling at the referee? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I was watching him. I was standing right there. Richard
Speaker 1: looked like guy, the guy walked up. It must be
Speaker 1: a new official he walked up the line. It wasn't
Speaker 1: the NFL guy. Yeah, So it was the training guy
Speaker 1: that was on the side. Because that guy that talked
Speaker 1: in there all the no, no, not that, no, no,
Speaker 1: not the guy that talked other guy. Oh yeah, a
Speaker 1: training guy had his hands full because he was with him.
Speaker 1: This who this group was like, there was shaking going
Speaker 1: on out there. I'm thinking, okay, that that game will
Speaker 1: be wherever the bottom two teams are, this crew will
Speaker 1: be out there. I thought you picked Rashard just because
Speaker 1: how he spoke after practice that day. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: And he was no, he's oh, he's great to talk to.
Speaker 1: He did it really if you go back watching with
Speaker 1: with Ambar to piscope Ede. But he he went up
Speaker 1: to the official. I mean, the official was walking away
Speaker 1: from him and he's talking. He goes, I can't get
Speaker 1: a call. I can't get that call. I can't get
Speaker 1: a push off call. And the guy kept walking but
Speaker 1: said something like under his breath, and Rashard just started.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's like, you will look at me like
Speaker 1: a man, like I am looking at you right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, but he I mean, he was dropping some
Speaker 1: I couldn't print what he the curse words were? Was it?
Speaker 1: Was it the Beasley catch? Oh yeah, it was one
Speaker 1: of the first ones out of the block. Was a
Speaker 1: little bit, yeah, a little bit of pushing going on there.
Speaker 1: Great and Richard was like, I can't get that call.
Speaker 1: You're gonna call stuff on me, and he was going
Speaker 1: on and this official kept walking and when he said,
Speaker 1: you will look at me like a man like with
Speaker 1: you and the eyes like I'm looking at you, I
Speaker 1: guess the super well, you know, and he he was
Speaker 1: like the shirt was wrenched and great when you know
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get a penalty, right, say all the
Speaker 1: stuff you want to say. He kicked you out. Another
Speaker 1: Richard story. I was watching goal line, you know, we
Speaker 1: had the live goal line the other day, and he's
Speaker 1: back there with Gary Brown and Gary Brown former player.
Speaker 1: So like the first one, you know, both scarboard just
Speaker 1: blasted in there for the touchdown and so like Brown
Speaker 1: turns to Rochard and like says something, and Rochard goes
Speaker 1: walking into this. And so the next time they get
Speaker 1: to stop Rochard, I mean Rochardon and turns to Brown,
Speaker 1: it starts going at him, and Brown's like throwing his
Speaker 1: hands up, you know, and Andrew Gerard's in there, and
Speaker 1: I mean they're all just fighting among each other on
Speaker 1: these on these plays. Speaking of ambar aroscope, yeah, she
Speaker 1: just discovered that he can speak some spans. Mom is
Speaker 1: Hispanic yeah, yeah, and she's like seriously, yeah, and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can carry conversation on with you,
Speaker 1: but I can, I can do some. And she goes, oh,
Speaker 1: you're dead where we're gonna be doing this every time,
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna be But she she had some
Speaker 1: really good question. He had some good insight about the
Speaker 1: secondary and what why they did some of the things
Speaker 1: they did. So if you had a chance to check
Speaker 1: that out. So look at those first two guys out
Speaker 1: for the walkthrough, Byron Jones and Jeff there you go.
Speaker 1: One more thing on Jordan Lewis. They were partners together
Speaker 1: and the back back back they were. Yeah. Now now
Speaker 1: Byron's making that transition. George Lewis and Lance Lenora. Those
Speaker 1: battles they've had all throughout camp, barking at each other.
Speaker 1: It's been good. It's been good competition. Um, no offense
Speaker 1: to him. We no, no, And sometimes maybe I need
Speaker 1: to do a better job. We throw so much information.
Speaker 1: Sometimes guys just kind of slipped through a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, Um, but you've hit on it for sure, Brian.
Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about the quarterbacks a little bit. Um.
Speaker 1: We touched him a little bit yesterday. They both spoke yesterday.
Speaker 1: Not Dak, not to us, he spoke to NFL Network.
Speaker 1: But the backups who figure to get most of the
Speaker 1: work tomorrow, Cooper Rush, Mike White, What do you hope
Speaker 1: to see from then tomorrow? Because look, they're not This
Speaker 1: isn't gonna be a true game plan situation for either
Speaker 1: team for more bout evaluation. So how yeah, just move
Speaker 1: the offense, get thee move the offense, get in the huddle,
Speaker 1: get the call. Act like you're in charge in the huddle,
Speaker 1: so guys know who the quarterback is, get to the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, get the snap, and just run plays.
Speaker 1: You know, you'd like to move the ball at her
Speaker 1: first down, But just kind of how they execute, how
Speaker 1: they carry themselves, more than anything else, this will go
Speaker 1: a long way. You know. We remember remember the impression
Speaker 1: that we had of Dak Prescott after that Rams game
Speaker 1: three years ago. It was like, my god, this guy,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the ball. It's like back shoulder to Deaz,
Speaker 1: you know, Williams wittinga ball is going down the field,
Speaker 1: going who is playing a quarterback for us? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember saying open air, press box. That guy I'm going,
Speaker 1: whoa who is that? You know? I mean, I say
Speaker 1: next to Taylor, and Taylor's goes, she goes, dak is
Speaker 1: lighting this thing up. And I'm like, my gosh, you're right,
Speaker 1: and you know, but that's and then the next week
Speaker 1: against the Rams, all right, see me against the Dolphins. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that same thing down the field and you're going, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: this is we're starting to see some But to Mickey's point,
Speaker 1: he's absolutely right. Getting the huddle, make a confident call.
Speaker 1: They're not probably gonna give you something exotic to look at,
Speaker 1: you know, pick out who you'd like to kind of
Speaker 1: get the ball too. In the situation. Know the down
Speaker 1: and distance, move the team. That's all you can ask.
Speaker 1: You're not I mean, I don't want you to be
Speaker 1: a hero tomorrow night. I just want you to be consistent,
Speaker 1: protect the football, move the team. That's all I ask.
Speaker 1: You don't have to call an audible on the goal
Speaker 1: line instead of calling time out. You go, Romo. That
Speaker 1: was absolute brilliance and stupidity all in the same play.
Speaker 1: It was what was the situation? Again? After I wasn't
Speaker 1: there for that game? Was Sean Ryan. Sean Ryan, he
Speaker 1: throws a fourth down path he gets to pass down
Speaker 1: in there, remember tight end sean By, he gets knocked
Speaker 1: unconscious basically, and he can't even get in his there
Speaker 1: picking him up, putting him in his stance because they
Speaker 1: can't they can't waste time. And like he like gets
Speaker 1: in his stance and like he falls on the ground
Speaker 1: like he's hurt, and Romo you know, knocks it in.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they were. They're trying to call time out,
Speaker 1: I believe, yeah, and Romo just and he just said,
Speaker 1: now we're gonna stab at it. And he runs a
Speaker 1: quarterback snating scores and they win the game, right, and
Speaker 1: Bill is just hot. Yeah, in subordination yea, not listening
Speaker 1: to the coach. It was brilliant and stupidity all the same.
Speaker 1: You know. It's one of those things, no, no, no, no, great, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that was Romo like a basket, that was a
Speaker 1: Romo career. Yeah, that's good. You know we knew all a. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I smid short court shot that what that happened with
Speaker 1: the with Danny It didn't turn out well it was
Speaker 1: no no, no, no no no yeah, yeah, all right
Speaker 1: before we got a couple of minutes before we get
Speaker 1: out of here. You wanted to touch on Randy Gregory, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just a little bit. I mean he's doing a little
Speaker 1: bit more. He's got the pads on now, working on
Speaker 1: the chords, trying to get in shape, had the helmet on.
Speaker 1: So I think he's taken that was the next step.
Speaker 1: And then after that maybe Saturday, Oh, we see him
Speaker 1: out here please doing a little at least individual drills
Speaker 1: something maybe maybe Yeah, Brian's ready. I'm ready. I'm ready.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to see I'm ready to see Randy Gregory play.
Speaker 1: You know what, everybody I I you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: one of the guys I admitted I was not I
Speaker 1: didn't think Randy Gregor would ever play again. I'm one
Speaker 1: of those guys. I'm like this, this is he's not
Speaker 1: gonna play, you know. But you look at him and
Speaker 1: you see what he where, he's what he's gone through,
Speaker 1: where he's got to at this point. He physically looks
Speaker 1: really good, you know, running that low shoulder and all
Speaker 1: that stuff he does. I want to see him practice.
Speaker 1: I want to see him going against these tackles, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of making that you know, maybe get a couple
Speaker 1: of reps against Tyrant Smith there. You know, kind of
Speaker 1: see how that works for him. You know, we had
Speaker 1: an open chair there. We should have got the six
Speaker 1: time pro bowler. He's got his own show. Well, the
Speaker 1: sixth time pro bowler is up next. Yeah, hanging with
Speaker 1: the boys next. No, no, no, he's with Oh I
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