WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: San Francisco Bound 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.120 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:17.480 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:21.360 training live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:33.919 Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Broughness, Rob Phillips, 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:40.520 and Bill Jones. What's up. It's Wednesday, August eighth from Oxnard, California. 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:43.880 Welcome into Talking Cowboys. Rob Phillips, Brian brought us Mickey 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:48.120 Spagnola at the River Ridge Complex here in Oxnard. Bill 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:50.320 Jones has left me in the captain's chair for the 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:53.479 remainder of training camp. We've got a preseason game tomorrow 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:57.800 night in San Francisco. Will continue previewing that as well 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:00.600 for the next hour. Kent Garrison has got us on 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:03.080 the air. Thank you for that and welcome fellas. Good 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:06.479 to be here. Better believe it's Talking Cowboys. Yeah, did 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:10.040 you talk about cowboys last night? In your hand? Absolutely 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.679 all night long? Did you? Yes? All night? All night? 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:19.120 Who'd you harass? He mingled? That's you, He'll mingle, But 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:22.920 he'll harass though, too. Who'd you harass? No? Nobody? Really? Yeah, 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:27.440 you beat anybody down with your story. We're retracing the 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:31.160 annual media party that yeah, I'm sorry about so nice 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:32.839 to put on every year. They do it for Mickey? 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:36.560 Is what they do? Is it just for Mackace is 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.880 on the was a senior member of the media staff? 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.760 Am I right? Were you the senior member there yesterday 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:46.840 of media other than Brad Sham? Brad Sham Mike Fishers 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:48.280 cover this team for a long time. Not as long 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.559 as me. No, but I'm saying it's not as well either. 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:53.040 But wow, Okay, I knew, I knew I could get 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:55.920 this show started the right direction. He's going in, He's 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.160 going in for two minutes in. Can I ask a 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:00.600 real quick question? Yeah, bring Okay, I'm not gonna make 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:04.120 it a personal thing. Was it because newspapermen generally, No, 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.240 I'm just serious. I'm serious about this because you did 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.519 you you covered it when there you got ink on 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:10.520 your hands, That's right. Did you watched the show The Post? 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:13.120 The movie The Post, which I absolutely love, great movie. 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:16.160 You you're You're That's how newspapers? That was? Mickey? Right? 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:20.680 Was it? Was it so competitive to this day that 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:24.760 you don't have good relationships with guys that were that 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.320 were part of that that that covered the team like 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:31.280 you covered the team. Is there's still that bitterness somewhat, 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:34.280 but only it seems like with the guys that were 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:36.800 at the Morning News, we kind of got along with 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:39.480 the guys at the Start Telegram, okay, but the gat 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:43.880 was Galloway. Was he with you or Hernings morning? Okay? Okay, yeah, 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.640 before he went over there, and you know guys like 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:50.040 Gary Myers. Yeah, you know, I don't like Gary Myers either, 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:54.440 put up with I don't like Lacey. At least now 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.840 we speak civilly to each other, you know, before I 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:01.639 just like, so if you guys were working shoulder to shoulder, 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.240 it was, it was it was difficult. I never teld 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:07.080 you my story from the preseason game in San Diego. No, 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:10.160 you know that press box, You're like, oh, I hate that. 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:17.400 Wait wait wait year was this nineteen eighty nine, eighty six? Maybe? Okay, 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:19.760 all right, and we're we're in the press box and 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:23.160 the Times heralds right now. It's good. This is good. 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:27.040 Until the left was the Morning News, right, we had 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:28.960 ordered that was back in the day when you had 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:30.919 to order a phone, the phone, you had to order 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:36.040 a phone. Yeah, they didn't provide phone, so the phone 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.400 is sitting next to me, in front of me, and 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.160 my guys are all to my right. Gary Myers is 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:44.320 on my left, and they forgot to order a phone. 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:48.280 Of course they did, right, ha ha ha right right uh. 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.440 And he reaches for the phone and I go, Gary, 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:55.480 you know that's our phone. Oh it is I go, yeah, 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:58.320 it is ours. We paid for it. And he goes, well, 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:00.360 it's okay if I use it. I said, you use 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.160 it now. But when it gets to nine forty five, right, 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:07.080 you can't use the phone. And and so it gets 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:09.400 to nine forty five and all of a sudden he 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.840 grabs the phone. I said, hey, what did I tell you? 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:14.560 And I took it and I put it over and 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.080 seat in front of the guy next to me. Yeah, 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:21.279 it's like, you cannot use our phone. See Vicky surprised. 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:26.640 Vicky didn't roll up the sleeves the full day, put 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.680 your Jack Johnson. You know, we did bare knuckles. We 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.520 didn't get bought out by the Morning News because they 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.640 out competed us. Right, Okay, you know it was a war. 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.680 It was a battle. It's also just like who you are. 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.680 It's not it's not just the time period, No, it 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.080 is the time, it's who you are too. Who okay, 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.440 who on the other team did you respect? Who is 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.920 the most respected guy you said? You know when you 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.640 when you were battling with those cats, who was the 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:55.800 one guy you said? You know what? That guy he's 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.719 good at his I'm trying. I'm trying to remember when 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:02.200 see that time David Moore was at the fort Or 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.880 Star Telegram. Okay, and so David Moore a young guy 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:06.960 then and then he moved, Yeah, he moved to the 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:13.000 morning news. Um still covering the team. Yeah. Uh? Jan Hubbard, Yeah, 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:17.320 I think, um maybe maybe, and the guys that did 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.320 um kind of put him on the Hi. I'm trying 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:22.080 to think. I'm trying to remember the guys, the guys 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:27.080 that did baseball. Oh yeah, okay, who we weren't battling 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:31.320 back in Uh David David david that NBA right, Uh yeah, 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:36.960 the columnists, David Stevens, Yes, yes, how do I remember this? Yeah? 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:40.280 Thank you? Yeah, David, because you read him prod I did. 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:44.240 I enjoyed getting ink on my hand, David Davidson. Guys, guys, 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:45.920 he was a good cat. He was a good cat. 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:52.040 So things changed with those guys. Well, no, just the bitterness. 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.240 Oh yeah, yeah, because I feel like, finally it's me. 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:58.760 It's competitive, but everybody gets along. It's like for the 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:00.800 most part. I mean, you obviously still have your enemies, 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:04.080 but yeah, Scouting, I'm I don't mean to throw you 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:07.839 into me, into your story, but Scouting, they're still guys 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.280 from twenty five years ago that I you know, I 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.240 see them and I my teeth grind a little bit. 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:16.599 I'm sure they do the same with me. I'm pretty 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.760 hated you probably, Oh, I just got into everybody's I 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:23.560 was always involved in everybody's business. Yeah, well not everybody's business, 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:25.479 but I but I was so I was like Mickey, 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.160 I'm competitive. Yeah, you know, I wanted our group to 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.960 be better. You know, I was a little I wasn't cocky, 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.599 you know, but I just you know, I think there's 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.039 a certain way you do your job, but you want 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.200 to be better than the guys. You're battle and you're 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:40.240 you're the only way we got to measure ourselves. And 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:44.240 is the wins losses, Like in those three years, I mean, 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.000 I come from off a super Bowl winning team to 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.520 go in five and eleven for three straight years. And 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.000 the great documentary is about to come out today about 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.800 that the you know, the Bill Parcels the last ride, 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.160 which you were gracious enough to pay. But I'm saying, yeah, 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:00.360 Mickey covered the team. We were god awful. We were 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.840 we were got off it. It reminded me of it 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.039 reminded me of a time where I'm like, gosh, can 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:08.080 I do I know what the hell I'm doing here? 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.720 Do I know? Do am I helping this team? Am 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:14.040 I doing? That's that's the thing about I appreciate Parcels 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.080 coming in and changing over. But the whole story, though, 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.840 is we're all competitive. Yeah. I mean, Mickey didn't want 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.720 them to get a story. I didn't want them to 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.400 draft a guy. So I can understand where he's coming. 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.400 I can understand the sports hate a little bit. But 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:31.160 you know, there's some of these guys that do they 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.640 rub you the wrong way and you just in it's 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.640 twenty five year long grudge, you know, And and maybe 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.440 that's a bad way to live. No, I mean it 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.680 is probably not healthy. And in the newspaper business, you 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.120 were every day with these guys. Yeah, it wasn't just 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:48.000 here every day with these guys. You know, you're you're 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.000 living training camp with him. You went out and had 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.320 drinks with him last night. I did. I wouldn't do that. 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:54.440 He did mingle though he did. He did move around. 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:57.640 Oh no, he's to move around seven or Spagnola, Illinois. 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:02.080 I got another another good one for you. No, Rob's 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.600 heard this story. So it was training camp eighty six. Yeah. Uh, 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:09.080 the Cowboys had just won the rights to herschel Walker 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:13.920 and Tom and I'm I'm in thousand Oaks in my room. 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:17.000 I gotta do a big, long takeout on herschel Walker. 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.160 And I called him put a. I got a phone number, 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:25.560 called him, left a message. It is eleven o'clock out here, 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.080 So that's two o'clock in the morning in New Jersey 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:31.040 where he was staying and probably Trump Tower or whatever 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.800 wherever he was. And I get a phone call, Hi, 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:38.719 this is herschel Walker voice, herschel Walker. Yeah, and I 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.120 I've never heard this story and I I wasn't gonna 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:45.599 buy it. Like he's calling me at two am. And 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:50.440 my college roommate covered Georgia for the Atlanta Paper when 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.560 he was playing there, and he had his voice down 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:57.400 perfectly high pitch, high pitch kind of squealing, and I go, 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.200 this is John. I just know it's John and I'm 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.000 not buying in and I just like, hi, thanks for 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.240 calling me back, and I and I just like innocuous 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.040 stuff because I didn't believe it was him, right, well 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:11.960 it was him. Yeah. Finally it came around and I said, oh, 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:15.240 this is really him. So we have this half hour conversation. 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:17.559 I had written this long story. Now I got to 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:20.640 go back and put stuff in him. Right. So at 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:25.280 the end, he goes, um, do you know Gary Myers? 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:29.320 And I go, yeah, I do, and he goes, well, 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:33.280 he uh. He tried to call me too, and I 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.200 didn't get an answer for him. Could you leave him 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:38.719 a message that I called? And I said absolutely, I 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:50.080 will no story. He never got that message. Good deal. Well, 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:53.640 I mean, look, it's competitive in the newspaper business, competitive 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:56.679 and scouting environment. It's competitive on the football field, right. 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:58.959 You gotta respect for your opponent, but you gotta, you know, 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.000 do whatever it takes to win. The Cowboys are trying 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.319 to lay that foundation these last two weeks in camp. 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.880 They've got a game tomorrow. That's a really good transition 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:10.360 on his part. Thank you, Thank you, broadcaster. Then one 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:14.040 more week when they get back on Friday, running of days. Yeah, 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.320 before they get back to Frisco and then continue training 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:21.760 camp there. Let's continue evaluating what we've seen and maybe 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:24.960 take an eye towards tomorrow night. Hey, let me touch 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.040 on what you just said. Go ahead. So you finished 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:30.679 training camp here, but it's not over, No, it's not. 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:33.920 So do the coaches have to work really hard when 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.040 they get back to get them to start concentrating again 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:40.720 like they did here because now you're home, you're living 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:44.040 at home, you got your family. Do you lose your 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:47.040 concentration on what you gotta do because this is gonna 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.040 be two of days there too, and you got a 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.559 young team. That's a good point. The thing that I 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:54.440 think you get their attention is you remind them every 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.600 day that the days are running out. You know, you're 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:00.160 trying to make a football team. I mean, there's there's 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:01.880 a lot of spots that are up for this. Yeah, 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.120 on this team, it's not and there's no cuts, yeah, 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.079 and there's no cuts to the final one. So you 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:09.679 have got to carry this thing through September first, you know, 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:13.640 and even after September one. There's other teams playing preseason 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:17.360 games too, and they might determine that, you know, you're 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.600 not good enough, and we're gonna go get this guy 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:21.679 from the Buccaneers or we're gonna get this guy from 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:25.160 the Rams. So there's I think to answer your question, Mickey, 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:29.120 there's always that pressure if you if you don't realize 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:32.640 what's ahead and stay focused, you're gonna get cut. Because 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:35.920 if you if you lose at the at the final ten, 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.160 you know, twelve days or whatever we're at right now, 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:43.000 if you start losing concentration, don't play, don't practice well, 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:46.319 don't play well in the preseason, it won't matter. But 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:48.920 you've got to You've got to carry this thing through. 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:50.960 I mean, when you get back home, Yeah, there's gonna 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:53.599 be more distractions because you're probably gonna be sleeping in 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.280 your own bed, You're probably gonna be family members are 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:58.599 gonna be around. But you got to focus in on 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:01.920 where you at, where are you right now, on as 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:05.160 far as the roster, where you're on the depth chart, 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:07.560 all these things. You need to be like Antoine Woods, 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:09.480 those guys mean, Mickey's brought his name up a long 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.560 time ago. Yeah, you need to keep pushing. You need 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:16.079 to keep pushing Rico Gathers, keep pushing to try and 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.640 make them make a decision about you as a as 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.600 a tied end on this team. What do you think happens? Now? 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.240 They'll put the young guys up in the hotel, Yeah 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:25.360 next door, have a job, yeah next Now will there 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:30.079 be curfews? Dallas ism Frisco's a nice down and you've 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:34.000 been you know, kind of held up here for three 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:37.120 three and a half. But a lot of these players, 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:39.439 if you remember, guys every day at the start, when 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:40.839 we come to work, we look on the field, A 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.080 lot of those rookies are out there running. I wonder 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.560 if somebody get kids have got apartments and stuff already, 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:47.839 so maybe they don't need to be but yeah, next door, 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.400 the kids that don't have places, they put next door. 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.079 But I think it's I think it's you know, I 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.800 don't know about the curfew aspect of it, but I 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:59.000 feel like though that there's you have to monitor what's 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.760 going up. But you need your own self discipline, if 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:04.040 you know, if you look what happened in Cleveland with 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.719 that kid, you know, you know Callaway, you know he 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:08.959 gets in trouble and now it's news and you know, 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:12.280 now his careers started off badly, you know that way 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:14.679 you just can't find yourself to get you can't be 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.240 getting in trouble because don't give them a reason to 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.040 cut you. Make them cut you or keep you because 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.800 of what you're doing on the field, not because you're 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:26.959 at or find establishments around the star and having a 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.240 little bit too much fun out out of the deck 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:32.560 of concrete Cowboy, And Yeah, I don't think that's gonna happen. 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:36.400 I don't think that's an easy walking though. Yeah, that 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:39.280 is an easy walk in plain side of Ford Center. 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.199 And now they just can't lose focus. That's that's the thing. 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.720 But I don't I don't worry about that as much 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.720 as I would for another football team in this team's past, 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:50.240 because of I mean, we've gone up and down the roster. 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:53.200 There's there's some guys that you know what their spots are. 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.079 Most of the guys don't. I mean, they may make 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.240 the team, but they're not guaranteed to start. They're not 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.800 guaranteed to get consistent snaps. I think you've talked about 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.480 wide receiver the team. The guys that are gonna make 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:05.760 the team at wide receiver are going to be the 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:08.240 most consistent guys for three and a half weeks and 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.560 then into the star practices as well. Maybe the good 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.439 thing is is when they return, you got a game 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:16.719 to play the next day, right, and so it'll be 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:21.160 treated like a night before a game. Everybody will be um. 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.400 You know, you try and scramble the best you can't 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.800 in the hotel, and then the night before they stay 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.080 at the hotel. But then there's that that next day 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.480 it's a day off. Yeah, and then you get back 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:34.200 on Monday and you gotta get reminded that hey, we 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:37.160 got two days and this stuff is not over. You know, 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:39.560 you changed locations, but it's not over. And I could 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:42.760 remember back in the day when they had split camps 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:45.960 and we changed locations and the next practice was just 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.800 got off. Yeah. Well, and to your point, this is 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:50.840 kind of a that's a good point. This is always 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:54.080 a benchmark time for me anyway, watching a team around camp, 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:57.160 these last two practices that they've had, because they had 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:01.040 one in the afternoon, typical pad practice. Then you turn 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.720 around and you have Garrett has been grinding them so 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:05.840 much he decided, let's see you get something out of 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:09.120 these practices if you scout them. Yeah, okay, So what 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:10.960 did you think of those last two practices? Because you're 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.160 to a point in camp where they've been grinding in pads. 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:16.080 They see an opponent coming up and they're sick of 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:18.360 each other. Right, what have you seen these last two days? 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:20.280 If I could real quick, Mickey, I'll tell you where 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:23.440 it became very evident to me. Standing in the corner 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.520 of this exact corner we're behind, they throw a vertical 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:30.920 route to Tavon Austin along with Jordan Lewis and coverage, 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:33.720 and both are on the dead sprint to try and 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:38.000 get the balls overthrown. And what happens. Instead of jogging back, 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:42.480 they both turned and walked together up the field and 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:47.520 you and you could this was the non pad. This 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:49.720 this is where I think Garrett looked at his team 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:53.119 a little bit and he saw how much these receivers 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:56.680 are running and these defensive backs are running non stop. 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.320 You go down here, linebacker drills, Ben Bloom. I know 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:02.440 it's football, folks, I get it, I really do. But you, 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.040 as a former guy, former scout, you get something out 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:08.960 of these practice. You can evaluate how hard the practice is. 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.480 I give Garrett a lot of credit for that, the 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:14.840 tempo of the practice, the physicality of the practice. But 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:16.720 I think he looked at guys like I saw my 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:20.800 own eyes, you know, Tabon Fraser, Tabon Austin, who can 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.920 run all day, and him and Jordan Lewis are kind 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.600 of like both kind of looking at each other like, okay, 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:28.880 we survived another one. And then they go walking back, 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:30.880 but you could tell there's a little bit of soreness 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.360 to him. You know, he's just trying to help them 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:35.600 get through. And I think there's a lot of guys 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:37.440 that are like those two guys out there. And it 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.120 sounded like he made a mental note during that practice 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:42.280 that hey, I may need to talk to my staff 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:44.840 and we may need to tail it back a little 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:47.920 bit on him. They did. How about the one the 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:52.080 compete thing with vander eshh, Yeah, and he was gonna 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.160 go for the fourth time in a row, and they 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:57.000 were running wheel routes and he's running thirty forty yards 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.320 downfield trying to cover the full back up and he 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:00.840 goes back up there and it's like, well, you're not 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.320 gonna make that guy, Garrett, I mean, Garrett's gas. I 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.639 give Garrett credit again for that too. Garrett looked at 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:09.760 like quickly Bloom tries to or that no Brown tries 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:13.720 to send an Ola Wally on yah run. Garrett's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.480 what's going on here? You know? And the vanders is 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:18.480 like he's just lining up, like, hey, I'll do whatever 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:20.560 you want me to do. But yeah, I think that 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:24.040 Garrett that It's one of my criticisms of Garrett has 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:27.240 been not knowing the condition of his team. It's sometimes 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:30.680 in games, you know, And there he showed me, Hey, 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:33.760 he learned, he's seen something. He was able to read 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:36.680 his team. He knew these guys had been practicing hard. 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.040 He wasn't just throwing him a bone because he's a 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.560 good guy. He was throwing him. He was throwing him 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.400 a bone because he was He's like, Okay, I've worked 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.160 these guys hard. They've They've given me everything that I've 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.520 asked from them, and a little bit more. I need 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:51.159 to back off him a little bit. I think that 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:53.520 was a smart play getting ready. You want these guys 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:55.560 in tomorrow night in San Francisco to be at their 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.159 absolute best. I mean, somebody actually came up to me 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:01.680 after that practice and said his Vanderish in bad shape. 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.000 I go, what are you talking about? And he goes, oh, 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.680 I saw him Ben over grabbing his shorts and I said, 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.600 do you do you realize what took place? You know? 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.480 And to your point, think about the day before the 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:16.919 blue white practice when he did the little deal where okay, 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:20.160 pick a guy, a non skilled guy to catch a punt. 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:22.360 If he catches it, we're not running, and he kind 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:24.600 of knew they didn't need to run, right, you know. 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.359 And then and then that's Martin catches the ball and 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:30.440 everybody goes crazy. But he was starting to see, you 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:32.960 know what, I better start backing off. Just you know, 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.440 those wide receivers at one point there was only seven 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:38.360 of them out right, and and you could see they're 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:40.760 running and running and running, and then they're running the 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.080 sprints at the end and then the sprints at the end, 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:45.000 and they were they were in they were in last. 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.800 The seven of them were all in last place every time, 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.120 and they were just dragon. I think, like I say, 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:55.400 he's been critical before, but knowing your team is part 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:58.720 of the coaching dealing. I think that if you check that, 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.480 mark Off is like, hey, I think he's understanding it. 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:04.480 He has to do the age. These practices are great 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:06.840 to watch from a fence if you're out here along 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:09.080 the fence line, or if you're standing on the end 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:11.520 zone like we get to you know, you could see it. 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:13.280 Do you watch what we do with training Camp live? 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:17.119 You could see the competitive aspect of practice. It's a 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:19.840 it's a grind every every rep, no doubt about it. Well, Nick, 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:21.640 let's back off for just a couple of minutes, take 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:25.080 a break, come back. Nine seven two four nine seven 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.840 forty four hundred is the number we've got one caller holding, 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:29.960 and we'll get to him when we come back on 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:33.360 Talking Cowboys. It can be hard to find the right 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:37.000 resource for learning about important financial matters. 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