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Speaker 2: Other major news story just crossing the tape of breaking

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Speaker 2: this morning. Donald Trump, the first former US president convicted

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Speaker 2: of a felony, was sentenced by a New York judge

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Speaker 2: Friday to no jail or probation for his hush money case.

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Speaker 2: Joinings right now is June Grassol, Bloomberg's legal analyst.

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Speaker 3: Here, June. No surprises here for you, No.

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Speaker 4: Really, no surprises at all. I thought it would take

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Speaker 4: much longer if Trump decided to speak.

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Speaker 5: So he did give a.

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Speaker 4: Little rambling speech, echoing things that he said over and

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Speaker 4: over again, how this is a witch hunt, how it's

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Speaker 4: not fair even talking though about the election. He got

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Speaker 4: a few things in there. So, I mean, this is

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Speaker 4: what the judge had said he was going to do.

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Speaker 4: He was going to sentence him to an unconditional release.

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Speaker 4: There was not going to be any kind of prison time,

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Speaker 4: no penalties, no fines, nothing. It's just the stigma of

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Speaker 4: now being a convicted felon and in ten days being

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Speaker 4: the first president to be sworn in as the President

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Speaker 4: of the United States as a convicted felon. I think

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Speaker 4: that's what he's been trying to avoid all along.

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Speaker 6: Well, Juna does say that Trump plans to appeal the

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Speaker 6: verdict and seek to overturn his conviction through the appeals process.

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Speaker 6: What would that look like. What is the likelihood of

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Speaker 4: Well, so Trump has appealed just about every decision legal

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Speaker 4: decision that has been handed down against him, So this

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Speaker 4: is no surprise. He's already started to appeal some of

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Speaker 4: the motions and some of the things the judge did.

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Speaker 4: So what happens is once the sentence is handed down,

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Speaker 4: I have about thirty days to say whether or not

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Speaker 4: they're going to appeal, and then they do their arguments

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Speaker 4: in an appellate brief to the Appellate Division in this case,

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Speaker 4: and then he can Probably he'll probably appeal whatever they

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Speaker 4: say if it's not good for him, to the highest

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Speaker 4: of Appeals, and most likely to the Supreme Court, because

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Speaker 4: he's going to be arguing about these presidential immunity decisions

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Speaker 4: and whether they affected In other words, what happened here

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Speaker 4: is he said after that presidential immunity decision came out,

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Speaker 4: he said that Judge Mrchon shouldn't have allowed in some

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Speaker 4: of the testimony from example, for Hope Picks, which had

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Speaker 4: in the course of his presidential duties. Judge Marchon disagreed

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Speaker 4: with that and also said that there was overwhelming evidence,

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Speaker 4: so that wasn't even needed for the jury. So that's

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Speaker 4: going to be one, definitely one of his points of appeal.

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Speaker 2: What else is out there for the president? Like most people,

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Speaker 2: I can't keep track, and I think it feels like

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Speaker 4: When he takes office, nothing is going to happen to

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Speaker 4: after there's no prosecution of sitting presidents. The Georgia case

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Speaker 4: still sort of hanging around in appellate courts.

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Speaker 4: Prosecutor there was thrown out because of a relationship with

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Speaker 3: That case is.

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Speaker 4: Still there, But I mean, really most he'll just have appeals,

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Speaker 2: Something else in front of the Supreme Court, that TikTok

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Speaker 2: price for hundreds of millions of people out there, I think,

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Speaker 3: What do you expect this to play out?

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Speaker 4: You know, this is hard, and I'm about to try

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Speaker 4: this case, the United States is claiming that this is

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Speaker 4: a matter of national security, and with matters of national security,

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Speaker 4: you know, the First Amendment experts I've spoken to talk

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Speaker 6: I know, president like Donald Trump has also spoken out

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Speaker 6: How much of a sway does it even seem that

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Speaker 4: Well, he has been his views as on many things

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Speaker 4: have been varying. On TikTok he was against it than

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Speaker 4: He submitted a brief to the Supreme Court as the

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Speaker 4: I mean, how much that carries.

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Speaker 3: We have to see. All right, Judan, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: June Grosso, a legal analyst for Bloomberg, giving us the

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Speaker 2: latest on the sentence handing down from the New York

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Speaker 2: Court here in President Trump, as well as the oral

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Speaker 2: arguments being heard right now in the US Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: regarding TikTok and the ownership there.

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Speaker 3: So we'll keep in touch with June.

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Speaker 2: Let me get to the economic data points we saw today,

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Speaker 2: particularly the job zumbers. We can do that with Jeffrey Cleveland,

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Speaker 2: chief economist for Peydon and Regal. Jeffrey, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for joining us. Jeffrey, I know you're based in

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles. You know, terrible situation out there. I wonder

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Speaker 2: You're right on the ground there in Los Angeles. Uh,

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Speaker 2: kind of what's the experience like, Well, it's I.

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Speaker 7: Mean, condolences to all the families who've lost property and

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Speaker 7: to see the community in Los Angeles, a lot of

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Speaker 5: So I think that that's been you know, you know,

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Speaker 7: Aspect of this, of this whole affair, all right, Jeffrey,

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey, we had a really really strong nonfoum payrolls a

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Speaker 7: I mean, I think it's marvelous. I mean, all things considered.

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Speaker 5: You know. I guess a few myths that have been debunked.

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Speaker 5: It just really hasn't happened.

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Speaker 7: If inflation continues to moderate, this is really the soft

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Speaker 6: So, Jeffrey, this was obviously good news and when we

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Speaker 7: soften the labor market. I think the very content with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it looks like, you know, I'm just looking

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Speaker 3: What do you think that data reflects.

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Speaker 5: I think that reflects sentiment, Paul. I mean, you do.

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Speaker 7: Every client that I talk to, colleagues and friends and

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Speaker 7: family members, they're definitely worried that inflation will pick back up,

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Speaker 7: that will push inflation back up. That's definitely power fear

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Speaker 7: actual data though for core PCE, we're pretty pretty optimistic, Paul.

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Speaker 5: We had that.

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Speaker 7: Point one percent month to month reading for November, and

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Speaker 3: The economic data point of the day, of course, was the.

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Speaker 2: We're streaming live on YouTube as well. Of course, the

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Speaker 2: this energy and climate reporter for Bloomberg News. Well, thanks

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Speaker 2: so much. I appreciate getting some time here. We want

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Speaker 3: But first, anything to add on these LA fires.

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Speaker 9: They're not very contained right now. Palisades fire is still

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Speaker 2: about in your world of reporting. Their Constellation Energy surged

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Speaker 3: Talk to us about this deal. What's going on here?

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Speaker 9: So Constellation already is notable. They have the biggest fleet

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Speaker 11: In the entire United States. It's going to be enormous.

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Speaker 6: Is this transaction setting the tone for iminate activity in

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Speaker 9: We could see more. I'm hearing a lot of people

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Speaker 2: Well, let's step back in your space, just the greater

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Speaker 10: New reactors for years, maybe.

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Speaker 9: A couple by the end of the decade, most likely

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Speaker 9: a twenty thirties thing. But these are just very very

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Speaker 9: want as much power as they can get, like yesterday,

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Speaker 9: they need it now.

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Speaker 3: Yep. All right, So maybe we're going to see a

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think you're right, and I think we've

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Speaker 5: Will wait.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us. We'll wait.

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Speaker 2: Energy and Climate reporter for Bloomberg News joining us via

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Speaker 2: zoom And we appreciate getting sharing some of his family

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Speaker 2: Rob Carolin Bloomberg Meteorologists earlier in the hour a couple

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Speaker 2: of days here of some reduced wins maybe throughout the weekend,

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