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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast. George

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Speaker 1: Nori with you, Mark Leslie with us Haunted Hospitals. I love,

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Speaker 1: But tell us about Ronda Parish a little bit, Mark,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll get back into the story. So Ronda

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Speaker 1: is a writer and editor who lives in Alberta, Ontario.

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Speaker 1: She is amazing. She does, she's got anthology, she's got

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Speaker 1: a fiction that she writes. And she also just recently

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Speaker 1: released Erie Edmonton, So Edmonton, Alberta. And that's a book

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Speaker 1: that she co authored with a psychic basically a medium

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Speaker 1: who cool floors, haunted locations, and so she was she

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Speaker 1: was great to work with. Maccab Montreal. Tell us about

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Speaker 1: this one. So another co authored book. Shana Christmassami is

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Speaker 1: a colleague of mine as a writer and she lives

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Speaker 1: in Montreal, Quebec. And she again I'm open to when

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Speaker 1: people suggest collaborations. I love it. And Shana said, well,

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Speaker 1: hey we could we could work on this book together.

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Speaker 1: I live in Montreal, I can take some pictures and

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Speaker 1: it was a fascinating book. So Montreal is the second

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Speaker 1: largest Canada, the second largest city in Canada and to Toronto, right,

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Speaker 1: Toronto is the biggest. Yea in Toronto. Yeah, so you've

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Speaker 1: got Toronto, Vancouver in Montreal is the three largest cities,

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Speaker 1: which are you know, in compared to largest cities in

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Speaker 1: the US, relatively small but for us they're big. And

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Speaker 1: in Montreal was fascinating because when I write a book

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Speaker 1: of ghost stories about a city, either a city I

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Speaker 1: live in or a city I love, I learned so

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Speaker 1: much about the history of the city. I learned so

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Speaker 1: much about that. And one of the most fascinating things

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Speaker 1: related to hospitals in Montreal were the experiments that happened

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Speaker 1: in um in that. I'm sure you must have had

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Speaker 1: guests on your show talking about Project MK Ultra, Yes, yes, sure, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And so there's a lot of details at the Allen

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Speaker 1: Memorial Institute of McGill University and all of the terrifying

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Speaker 1: things that happened in the hospitals there. So that was

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Speaker 1: one of the things I didn't really know a lot

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Speaker 1: and in a lot of cases, is just the disturbing

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Speaker 1: things that people do to one another. But again, when

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Speaker 1: you think of what the trauma that happens, you wonder

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Speaker 1: what did that trauma leaves behind, that's going to be

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Speaker 1: on that location and it's going to haunt people. Well, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: that's that's amazing. When I say Quebec, I sometimes say Quebeck.

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Speaker 1: Is that pretty accurate? Yeah? I think you can do

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Speaker 1: it either way, Quebec, Quebec. There's no one there's no

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Speaker 1: one way. Were you born in Canada? Yeah, I was

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Speaker 1: born in Calm. Was born in Ontario. Yeah. Super. One

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Speaker 1: of our hosts, Richard Sarrett, who kales from the Toronto area,

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Speaker 1: Oh cool, And I'm only about an hour or an

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Speaker 1: hour and a half outside of the Toronto area. I

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Speaker 1: did a couple of live shows Mark at the Queen

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Theater in Toronto over the last few years. If

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Speaker 1: we ever do Canada again and once they open up

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Speaker 1: the borders, we'll make sure we have you as one

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Speaker 1: of our live stage show guests. Oh, that would be

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Speaker 1: hond to be awesome to see you in person. That

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Speaker 1: would be an honor to see you in person. That

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Speaker 1: would be fun. You go to a lot of places

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Speaker 1: where you meet people. Do you get a lot of

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Speaker 1: was talking about an old hospital that had been a

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Speaker 1: psychiatric hospital Century Manner in Hamilton, which is one of

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Speaker 1: because of your job, don't you, as a writer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: as a writer and somebody who works in the industry,

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Speaker 1: just about every city has something that's haunted that the

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