1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. I had the under we made it to 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: the Friday here. It's our one Dan and the Dan 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: En Stan Patrick Show. It's a meat Friday. I have 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: no idea what's on the tragular day, and I don't care. 6 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure it'll be great. Come on in, stay a while. 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to have some fun today. Positives. Bob 8 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: Yucker is gonna join us, Mister Baseball. Bob Buker will 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: join us, celebrating fifty years doing Brewer games. He's been 10 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: in the game, what's sixty five years? So Bob Ucker 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: join us a little bit later on. I just wanted 12 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: somebody to come on and tell stories, have some fun, 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: maybe say something positive about baseball. We'll also look at 14 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: the decision Don van Nata, ESPN investigative reporter. We'll look 15 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: back on when Lebron took over the airwaves and said 16 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: I'm taking my talents to Miami. Will go behind the scenes. 17 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: There's a thirty for thirty coming out on the mother 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: Ship about this, and Don will join us to give 19 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: you some details there. Because there's a couple of questions 20 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: that I have about the decision. By the way, Lebron 21 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 1: got roughed up in the media after the decision because 22 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: he had the audacity to say, I'm taking my tallenge 23 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: to Miami. Kobe did that years before that as a 24 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: high schooler. Kobe said, I'm taking my talents to the NBA. 25 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: You know when you have that press conference where people 26 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: you know, these kids are going to announce where they're 27 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: going to play. Kobe had a press conference, sunglasses on 28 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: top of his head and he said, I'm taking my 29 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: talents to the NBA. Lebron does it, And all of 30 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: a sudden, Oh, did you hear Lebron taking his tallengs 31 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: to Miami. Why can't he say he's just going to 32 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: go play for the Miami Heat. Did Dwayne Wade know 33 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: Lebron was going to go to the Miami Heat because 34 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: that's been out there. Did ESPN no prior to Lebron 35 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: sitting down with Jim Gray that Lebron was going to 36 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: Miami because of the location in Greenwich, Connecticut. This came out, 37 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: there was such a frenzy. You know, we were on 38 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: the air that day and I just remember seeing all 39 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: of this information and everybody had an opinion. He's staying 40 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: in Cleveland, he's going to the Knicks, and Stephen A. Smith, 41 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: to his credit, was I think the first is saying 42 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: that he's hearing Lebron was leaning towards Miami, but nobody 43 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: knew what was going on. It was a well kept secret. 44 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: And also Lebron using the platform. And that's one of 45 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: the few times we've seen an athlete who is empowered 46 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: to be able to have his own TV show to 47 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: announce a decision. And I applaud athletes. I've recommended suggested 48 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: that you can control this if you want to. Makes 49 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: my job tougher. But if I was Tiger Woods or 50 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: using Bolt or you can go down the Patrick Mahould, 51 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: I would use my platform to announce what I wanted 52 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: to do. You can monetize that you can control it. Now. 53 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: I like that they say things publicly and that we 54 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: can have investigative reporters find out things sources. But if 55 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: you're able to do this, and you can do this, 56 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: then I don't see why you shouldn't do it. But boy, 57 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: it bothered a lot of people. Oh, young athletes taken control. Here, 58 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: got the platform, and I'm gonna take over the airwaves. Here, 59 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: sit back, and let's wait, we're gonna drag this out. 60 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: Plus I think the ESPN people in the control room, 61 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: we're really upset that Jim Gray was dragging this out. Now. 62 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if Jim Gray was like, what was 63 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: the plan? You had an hour to fill, So I 64 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: don't know if you know Jim Gray was told Jim, 65 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: you gotta dragged this out, because I mean, we could 66 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: have just said, hey, then joins us Laurn, where are 67 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: you going? I'm taking my talents to Miami? All right, 68 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: good night everybody. I gad to drag it out a 69 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: little bit, but you know it was really secretive. So 70 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: Don will join us coming up next hour to talk 71 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: about this. Age seven seven three d P show email 72 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: address DP at dan Patrick dot com. We mentioned yesterday 73 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: Vince Carter retires at the age of forty three, Hall 74 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: of Famer, going into broadcasting. Liverpool wins the Premier League. Yay, 75 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: my reds we did it. Where's your red today? Oh? 76 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: You know what, that would have been too obvious. You 77 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: know I don't wear green on St. Patty's Day. Well 78 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: I just figured it. You two long suffering fans. Finally, 79 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: and I was trying to think how long I've been 80 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: a Liverpool fan and I was thinking, is it March. Well, 81 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: it's like a child. Do you see your kid is 82 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: eighteen months old or a year and a half? Hold, 83 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: I think March is when I started early March. Yeah, 84 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: like March fourth, when they shut down the Premier. How 85 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: much of a lead did they already have it you 86 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: start sharing for you like the seventy meter mark. Yeah, yeah, 87 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: that's what I thought was gonna win. Uh. Let's see, 88 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: this program is brought to you by legal Zoom. 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Now, there's still a lot of questions here, 97 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: and I know I get people who remind me, Yeah, 98 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: didn't you say that the first month of the season 99 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: could be moved to the back part of the season. Yes, 100 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: I did. That's what my source told me. Prior to 101 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: this release of the schedule. I was told that the 102 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame game that preseason has already been canceled. 103 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: That's the first event that the NFL was canceled. During 104 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: the pandemic. Pro Football has been able to hold back 105 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: on details of how they plan to come back. They 106 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: don't have to now. Their chief medical officer, David Allen Sills, 107 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: he was on the show and he stressed flexibility and adaptability, 108 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: and that sounds great. I don't know what that means. 109 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: They're going to let teams know. They're letting them know 110 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: that training camp starts duly twenty eight, that's about a 111 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: month away. There's some challenges here. Training camp rosters are 112 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: much bigger than anything you have with baseball, with basketball, 113 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: with hockey. Teams need to have a handle on what 114 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: players are going to be doing at the facility and 115 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: then away from it. The at the facility, I'm fine with. 116 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: It's what happens when you're away from the facility. You're 117 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: not in a bubble. And I know we all want 118 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: football back, and it's a head start here that we 119 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: kind of get a better idea of all of this. 120 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: Here's Jay Glazier, the Great Jay Glazer, talking about some 121 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: of the concerns owners have. They tell everybody that July 122 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: twenty eighth, there's date they're going to come back, but 123 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: there are other dates that were discussed beforehand, and they 124 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: were going back and forth, and this is different territory. 125 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: So some people are like, hey, let's go back July 126 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: fifteenth and have like almost as the basis of their 127 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: ow T time OTA time, and somebody else, now, let's 128 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: do July tenths, and we really have like someone of 129 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: a week basically, which is like your offseason workout program, 130 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: get them, acclimate them, get get our systems down, and 131 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: then they kind of get going back and forth and that, 132 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: and then they just say, okay, let's do July twenty eighth. 133 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: So the good thing is that there's a lot of 134 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: mind working on it. The bad thing is again, because 135 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: there's no answer that's gonna satisfy everybody. It's okay, what's 136 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: these ideas can work the best and keep everybody the safest. 137 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: That's Jay Glazier And look, I'm cautiously optimistic that they'll 138 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: start on time. And maybe it's not a big deal 139 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: that the Hall of Fame game was canceled. It's the 140 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: week after that that I'm curious about and are we 141 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: going to start on ton I'll stand by what I 142 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: was told and my source is impeccable on this that 143 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: there are plans. There are plans in place for the 144 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: season to start later. Now, they're not going to make 145 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: that public and somebody's not appreciating that I'm making it 146 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: public now, But they have to look at this and say, 147 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: what if contingency plans. They don't. They're not going to 148 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: say we have contingency plans because there the NFL just 149 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: plows right through. But I just want everybody to understand 150 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: where we are with the NFL. As much as we 151 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: think the NFL gets it done, this won't stop the NFL. 152 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: It can and it probably will now to what extent, 153 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, and I don't know if we're any 154 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: safer in October than we are in September. I have 155 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: no idea. All I'm telling you is what i'm told, 156 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: because whenever I bring this up, I get people who respond, 157 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: You're not a doctor. I'm not trying to play one 158 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: on radio either. I'm only telling you what a source 159 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: has told me and maintained this information for the last 160 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: couple of months since the schedule was released. Even prior 161 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: to that, I was told by an impeccable source there 162 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: are contingency plans to start this season a month later, right, 163 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: and I you know, he stayed with that. That's the 164 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: information he has. There is a contingency plan. There's contingency 165 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: plans plural. The one I'm talking about is they would 166 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: start in October. Yeah, Poe, do you think the NFL 167 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: would prefer with their plan to instead of delaying the 168 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: season the start of the season a month, start the 169 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: season time and be ready to hit pause for a 170 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: week or two or three because you still have February 171 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: to work with. They all have that month of February 172 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: where there's nothing going on. You know, like if we 173 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: start on time, we could always hit the pause button 174 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: for three weeks if we had to. I. You know, 175 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: once again, I don't know what their medical community is 176 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: saying in what they expect to happen and how they're 177 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: going to be able to keep everybody safe and healthy. 178 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: You just have so many people involved. There's so many players. 179 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you're dealing with rosters. You know, college football 180 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: it's even bigger problem. You know, you have rosters that 181 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: are twice the size, and you have less control over 182 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: college age students. So Tom Brady is still working out. 183 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: He had an FDR quote, we have nothing to fear 184 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: but fear itself. And what do you make of that? Nicklovin, 185 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: I like his historical quoting, but it's pretty controversial. Seems 186 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: to be not shying away from controversy right now. Brady's 187 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: making it clear that he's not going to let anything 188 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: get in the way of him developing KEMIS three with 189 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: his new teammates. Several players and employees tested positive for 190 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen over the last couple of weeks. The NFL 191 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 1: Players Association medical director doctor Tom Mayer has recommended that 192 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: players stopped holding private practices together until the start of 193 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: training camp. Brady isn't following that. He had a Thursday session. 194 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: He and his new teammates hit the field this week, 195 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: and Florida is in the middle of a severe outbreak 196 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: of COVID nineteen. But Brady is not backing down. Why 197 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: doesn't the NFL say something to him? Can they can 198 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: they can they find him? Can they bench him? Take 199 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: away his helmet? YEA mclovin, Yeah, Florida reported that they're 200 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: not going to find him, but they there was definitely 201 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: an option, and we don't know that for sure. By 202 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: the way, that they're definitely not going to look into this. 203 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: You're not supposed to, you know, there are all these 204 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: rules about team workouts. Anyway, even before all the happened. Yes, 205 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: count he also said, esk, not what the Buccaneers can 206 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: do for you? What is that that kind of came 207 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: out of left that's JFK though. K ask not what 208 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: your country can do for you, but what you can 209 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: do for your country. Yes, mcloviy, so I understand him 210 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: working out obviously, but why does he have to make 211 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: like a thing about it on social media? Wouldn't just 212 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: want to quietly work out and not draw attention to this? 213 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if he can quietly do it because 214 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: you have a helicopter following him around. Does it feel 215 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: like he's sort of overdoing social media because he's been 216 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: kind of contained for fifteen years in New England. Now 217 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: he's like mister social. The fact that he did the 218 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: Howard Stern Show after he left the Patriots, I went, 219 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: wait a minute, who is this guy? So maybe it's 220 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: unplugged Tom Brady unplugged and this is the biggest thing 221 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: that Tampa has had in how many years? That Brady 222 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: is there. Brady's working out, he's getting together with those 223 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: new teammates. Yeah, he did a TikTok dance yesterday. It 224 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: was amazing. I didn't they did not. I don't really 225 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: even know what that. I almost believed you, but then 226 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,719 Speaker 1: I realized that I don't think you can. Damn, I 227 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:12,599 Speaker 1: think I believe my club. For a second there, that 228 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: seems like something he would do. Well. No, he said amazing. 229 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: He said that it was amazing, and I don't think 230 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: Brady has any rhythm. We should bring back our five 231 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: minute TikTok discussion pre show yesterday. Who's everybody? Wife's like, 232 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: TikTok down on? You got her undo it? You mentioned TikTok. 233 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 1: She's like, what's going on here? TikTok? Oh, I'm sorry 234 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: about that. It's I get seven TikTok videos a day 235 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: from my youngest daughter and has to do with a cat. 236 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no substance there. And I say to her, 237 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: why are you sending me the cat? She goes, why not? 238 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: And I go okay, And then if I don't come 239 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: have a comment on the TikTok video. She's like, uh no, 240 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: I haven't heard from you, and it has nothing to 241 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: do with her life. It has to do with a 242 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: damn TikTok video. Yes, Todd, but they sure a dog 243 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: hugging another dog, or a baby stark laughing, or motivational speakers, 244 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: and there's all kinds of cool stuff on there. I 245 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: know there's other stuff under too that I'm gonna be 246 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: accused up here we go Plentlet me tell you something, Okay, 247 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: No grown man is going on TikTok to see dogs 248 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: of puppy dogs being hugged in like maybe there's like 249 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: some comics on there and then have some funny stand up. 250 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: There's no thrown man going on there. No grown man 251 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: is down is putting TikTok on his phone. You can 252 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: find George Kawk clips on YouTube. Well, Todd is check 253 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: linkly a grown man? Yes he is. Technically, do you 254 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: have a TikTok account? I do not have an account. Okay, 255 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: I have it. I have the app on my phone, 256 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: which I never downloaded. I think it used to be 257 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: something that's the same thing. It used to be something 258 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: else and became TikTok. Oh my god. I never actually 259 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: set up any kind of TikTok. I just showed up 260 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: on my phone. I don't communicate with anybody. I don't. 261 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: I can't put any lights on. Alrighty, you're just viewing TikTok. Yeah, 262 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: I'll say it that for Toddy's. There are people in 263 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: a boardroom somewhere saying, I'm hearing the kids are on TikTok. 264 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: We gotta get on TikTok. Corporate brands, media outlets everywhere. 265 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: I've seen media outlets walking. That's not why Todd's on TikTok. No, no, 266 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: but I will. I'll quote lines from like people dancing 267 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: on TikTok, and my kids will be like, please stop 268 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: going on TikTok. It's not for you that I've been 269 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: warned by my kids and my wife that I have 270 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: no business going through anything. You have no business being 271 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: on TikTok, but you still do it. I do take 272 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: a look and see what's going on over there, but don't. 273 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: But there's all kinds of things. I'm there. It's not 274 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: like some kind of what you're making it out to be. 275 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: I know. But then you send me the TikTok video. 276 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: I sent you a video of Joe Tory going off 277 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: on an umpire No no no, a comedy clip, but it 278 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: was all perfectly clean. You've sent me a couple of 279 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: TikTok videos and then if I don't comment, then I 280 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: feel like I let you down. I do like it 281 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: when I get the thumbs up or smiley things, the 282 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: letter K or something that I know you read it, 283 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: then we're still friends. I'm going to issue a cease 284 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: and desist Brady's lawyers. I'm gonna bring in Brady's lawyers 285 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: to have you stop sending me TikTok videos. What if 286 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: it's just someone with some kind of motivational No, I 287 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: don't need to be Washington talking at no at a college. No, 288 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: that's actually what the TikTok is just booming because of 289 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: all their motivational speech videos that are available there. That's 290 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: actually their IPO. It's just through the roof, that's their wheelhouse. 291 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: A lot of motivational speech videos that very popular amongst 292 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: grown men. Yeah, you can't do it. Pranks and stuff. 293 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: The squirting water like moms that they're like infant babies. 294 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: To get their reaction to what a bunch of water 295 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: squirting in their face is you can stop. You could 296 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: have stopped, you could have backed away. I have to 297 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: distance myself. I'm gonna have to distance myself from you. 298 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: You probably get rid of your phone like Brady did, 299 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: and no one needs to know my communication with you 300 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: with them. Yeah, I see so squirting videos that Todd 301 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: likes on TikTok of babies and water. Yeah. Don't we 302 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: have a video of you being sprayed with water? Do? Yeah? 303 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: I got into that old I know the car, the 304 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: making of the calendar, and I was, I was out back, 305 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: I'm I'm it was a little I had to take 306 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: shower when I went home. It was I felt dirty 307 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: because Todd is he was all almost reacting in slow 308 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: motion but he wasn't. And there's music playing. It was 309 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: like in his head there's like white snake music playing, 310 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: and he's I was encouraged to, you know, act a little, 311 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: you know pocket, But I think I took it to 312 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: an uncomfortable level for everyone in You did you did? 313 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: And I remember being out there and instructing the person 314 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: who was spraying you on how to spray you, And 315 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: I went what has happened in my career? Yes, Yes, 316 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: that was the first time in my life I ever 317 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: wanted to be blind in both eyes. I prayed for blindness. 318 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: Hit me, now, big guy, you're you're you're blind in 319 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: one eye? You were? I saw that video for four 320 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: seconds and I could still remember it. I'm not joking. 321 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: I ran the other way. It's so hot. What month 322 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: of the years? Then? Are we coming up on that? Sorry? 323 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: Do you know what month you are when you're getting hosed? 324 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: I just know that I was puckering and making all 325 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: kinds of Facebook spressions. I had nothing to do with 326 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: the scene that we were sure. I'm surprised you didn't 327 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: put it on TikTok tod You feel I could get 328 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: some likes for that? Yeah, this generation, that's big self 329 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: esteem mishes. You're not popular unless you have a sade 330 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: amount of likes and followers, or you have some self esteem. 331 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: It's not just this generation. All right, let me take 332 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: a break here. We'll get to phone calls coming up. 333 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: It's a Friday. I want to laugh. I'm trying it. 334 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: I'm trying that. My Liverpool Reds did it? Never walk alone? 335 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: You know I love Sunderland, but I love Liverpool too. 336 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: I've loved I've loved Liverpool longer than I've loved Sunderland 337 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: and I started loving Liverpool in March. I got a 338 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: call Rebecca Loo and just sell her. No. Remember it 339 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: was Leicester City a couple of years ago. I know. 340 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: I told her. I said, I really think Leicester City 341 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: is gonna win. They're the team, you know, the odd 342 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: it's first of all its Leicester City. It's Leicester City. 343 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: I go, okay, but they're gonna win this year. Leicester 344 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: is gonna win. All right, let me take a break 345 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: here twenty after the hour, phone calls will be welcome. 346 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: We come up with a pole question there, mclovin, you 347 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: got one. I got a couple of options action like 348 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: off field controversy issues. All right, take a break back 349 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: after this and The Dan Patrick Show. Thanks for listening 350 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch 351 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: us live every weekday morning nine to noon Eastern or 352 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,719 Speaker 1: six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your 353 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: local station for The Dan Patrick Show at Fox Sports 354 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on 355 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app by searching f s R. Alrighty mclovin, 356 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: MC kind of poll question that we settle on today? Okay, 357 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: we're having don Van Netta on to talk about the decision. 358 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: What is the story that we most overcovered in the 359 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: last ten years off field stuff? I'll give you the 360 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 1: decision the flake Gate, maybe the Houston Astros scandal. I'm 361 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: thinking five years, we're gonna look back and say, what 362 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: was that all about. I think the Astros are undercovered. 363 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: Yeah maybe, but now it's but there's emerging that every 364 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: team was doing something like that that was thinking true. 365 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: Remember the Yankees. Remember we were hearing from the Yankees 366 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: and they got cheated and they should have you know, 367 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: they should be awarded a World Series or yeah, I 368 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: don't think so. Yes. Actually my original question what was 369 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: the biggest story? And then I put the decision the 370 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: flake Gate, Astros. I was thinking con Kaepernick, Michael Sam like, 371 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: these are all like I feel like all those stories 372 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: took over an entire year of the sports media. I 373 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: think the flight gate was overcovered and that was that 374 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: was nine months and that was constant. And you know 375 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: the suspension man, I mean, Kaepernick is you know the 376 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: biggest one that we've had. But but if you're talking 377 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: about the biggest non serious off field, well, the answer 378 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: is cheating is serious? Deflate? Oh come on. It's not 379 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: that serious. It's a serious act. I mean, they won 380 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: the World Series. They cheated in the World Series. It's baseball. 381 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: Everybody's been cheating for it. The whole sport had steroids 382 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: all over it for twenty years. Well, I'm just talking 383 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: about the story. Yeah, but it was kind of said. 384 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: We all laughed at it a little bit though. It 385 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: was funny too. Banging the drum, Yeah, unless you're a 386 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: Dodger fan or a Yankee fan might not have been 387 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,239 Speaker 1: as funny. But just the fact that it was so 388 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: blatant and you're going, oh, they're dump dump and then 389 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: you hear that, you know, swhack of the bat um 390 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: deflate gate was overcovered. That took a long time to 391 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: play out. And I remember the deflator and all those 392 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: text me dissected them. I know, somebody sent me a 393 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: Christmas ornament. I have it over here. It's a it's 394 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 1: a cell phone and it's got Brady and Giselle on it. 395 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: I think I have it. Let me see if I 396 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: have it over hanging off. They just sent it to you. No, no, no, 397 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: I've had it. I've had it for a while. But yeah, 398 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: it's on the side of the desk there that somebody 399 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: sent that in as a Christmas ornament and it's a 400 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: cell phone with uh Brady and Giselle on the on 401 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: the front of it. Yes, Yes, a couple other stories 402 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: that I was looking at. Remember Payton Manning's free agency 403 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: and Kevin Durrant's free agency. Are those as big as 404 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,959 Speaker 1: the decision? Or is the decision the granddaddy of all 405 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: free agents? Hayton's was. And then when you start to 406 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,479 Speaker 1: hear the backstory of how you know he would They 407 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: thought he was going to play for the Redskins, and 408 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: that he had worked out for a couple of teams, 409 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: and they kept it really, really really under wraps. Nobody 410 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: knew that he was working out. I think they had 411 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: Brandon Stokely show up and they didn't even tell him 412 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: you know what was happening, just said bring your cleats. 413 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: And Brandon Stokely, who played with Peyton in Indianapolis, did 414 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: not know that Peyton was going to be interested in 415 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: playing for the Broncos. And he shows up, not allowed 416 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: to bring his cell phone, not allowed to tell anybody 417 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: he's doing anything, and he's only there to catch footballs 418 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: from Peyton Manning. And then that was it. The Niners 419 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: were looking at him and Harball I think stayed in 420 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 1: his car, so nobody knew that Harball was watching Peyton 421 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: Manning throw the football. Like all of this stuff is. 422 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it's cloak and dagger type stuff of just 423 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: where Peyton Manning was going to go, and you know 424 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: to what lengths some of these teams went to keep 425 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: it under wraps because Peyton demanded that it be kept 426 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: under wraps. So you can imagine Peyton's attention to detail. 427 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: Team's got a good eye, you know, they got a 428 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: good feel for that after watching that unfold. Yeah, mclub, 429 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: What do you remember that Kevin Durram because I think 430 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: we were off the day that he signed, and I 431 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,959 Speaker 1: remember it was another story where like maybe the Knicks, 432 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: maybe Kevin and I from the outset. You know, he 433 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: said he's not coming back, and you know, I thought 434 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: the Knicks made the most sense and that Kyrie would 435 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: join him. And he did go to New York. He 436 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: just went to Brooklyn. No, I'm sorry, I'm talking about 437 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: Golden State. Oh yeah, that was a big deal, the 438 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: Hampton five and that's when he first was rumored to 439 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 1: go to their necks. That was a big deal, big deal, 440 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: and that was covered, you know, not only prior to 441 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: but when it happened, and then the fallout from why 442 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: would you just join the team that you could have eliminated, 443 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: should have eliminated, and why not stay? Then he took 444 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: a lot of heat for joining the Golden State Warriors, 445 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: and he probably still has whenever anybody brings up titles. 446 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: You know, Lebron gets criticized because he left Cleveland to 447 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: go to Miami to win titles. But Lebron left because 448 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: we kept saying, you're never gonna be Michael Jordan if 449 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: you don't win titles. And he didn't have a Scottie Pippott. 450 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: Nobody wanted to go to Cleveland to play. I mean, 451 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: they got Kyrie because you know, they were bad after 452 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: Lebron left, and then Kyrie came in there and you know, 453 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: they got him as a number one pick and became 454 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: his team until Lebron came back in town. But Lebron 455 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: tried to get Bosh to go to Cleveland. Bosh is like, no, 456 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to South Beach. I'm going to Miami here. 457 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: But what KD did Lebron didn't have a good team 458 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: in Cleveland. KD at least had a team that went 459 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: toe to toe, they could have won the title. So 460 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: I understand he was chasing titles too, because chasing titles 461 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: puts you into the top ten all time on the 462 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: basketball next. If KD doesn't have titles, he's not a 463 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: top ten player of all time, great player, hall of famer, 464 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: not one of the top ten players of all time. 465 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: It's hard to get into the top ten if you 466 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: don't have titles. Is anybody in the top ten who 467 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: hasn't won a title? I don't think so. Steph Curry 468 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: is going to be a top ten player. If he 469 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: tacks on three more years, he'll be a top ten player. 470 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: If they play at a high level, maybe win another title. 471 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: He's gonna be. You know, Barkley's not a top not 472 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 1: a top ten guy. Karl Malone. Karl Malone I think 473 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: is a top ten player, But I'm gonna guess he'll 474 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: he'll be. If you're gonna say somebody's gonna fall out, 475 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: Karl Malone will fall out. K D would replace him, 476 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: or Steph Curry would replace him. You gotta win titles. 477 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: That's what it's all about. I don't know how I 478 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: got sidetracked on that isn't it? It isn't tonight the 479 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: anniversary of the Hornets or is that the trade? I 480 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: think it was yesterday, Oh, yesterday last night, I believe 481 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: was the trade where Vladi. Yeah, so George Shin he 482 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: was the owner of the Hornets, right, and they make 483 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: this deal. Jerry West makes this deal and they want 484 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: I think, is it like the thirteenth pick overall that 485 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: they want? They want Kobe and that they traded Vlade 486 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: Divac And I think George Shinn at the time, the 487 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: owner said, I think we just made the best trade 488 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: in franchise history. Oops. Do I have that right? Mclovin, Yeah, 489 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: I believe so I saw that yesterday that yeah, you 490 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: absolutely have it right. They also the Warriors GM was like, 491 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: I don't think Kobe's ready to play in the NBA, 492 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: which is technically true because he did struggle as a rookie, 493 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,959 Speaker 1: but still, yeah, Plug. There's a quote from Mitch Cupcheck, 494 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: who was the Lakers GM at the time. He said 495 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: the trade. He felt like the trade might not go 496 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: through because I guess in Charlotte when they took Kobe, 497 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: immediately they noticed all the excitement around a young, exciting player, 498 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: and they almost pulled the plug on the trade. That's 499 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: what he had heard in the back and forth Charlotte. 500 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: So the trade was predicated on if you get our 501 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: guy Kobe, then we'll send you Vlade, I think, and 502 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: then in Vlade was very popular with the Lakers. But 503 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: you're taking an eighteen year old in Kobe, and you 504 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: weren't quite sure what you had. But Jerry West, because 505 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: Jerry West worked out Kobe, and I think they saw 506 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: enough where they they didn't want anybody else to know 507 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: how excited they were with what they saw. Yeah, Poe. 508 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: Jerry West actually told us that they did two workouts 509 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: with Kobe when he was seventeen years old when with 510 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: the Lakers that they worked. Jerry West and the Lakers 511 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: worked with Kobe's agent to limit the amount of priest 512 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: draft workouts with other teams. They found ways to have 513 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: him not be difficult, but to not do and not 514 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: schedule as many workouts to minimize the buzz around him. 515 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: Jerry West told us that and told him other people 516 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: that as well. The New York New Jersey nets with 517 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: we're thinking about taking Kobe with the eighth pick, and 518 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: John Callapari was and I guess there was some back 519 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: and forth. I'm not sure who did or who didn't 520 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: want Kobe, but the nets were kicking the time. I 521 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: gotta tell you. The narrative in Philadelphia was Kobe told 522 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: all thirty teams, I'm not going to anywhere but LA 523 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: or New York, and like that's why he felt he 524 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: would have gone too, but he didn't tell him. His 525 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: agent said, don't pick him. He's not coming unless you're 526 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: the Lakers. That's how we were told me. He said 527 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: he didn't want to go to the six and he said, 528 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: lover barying guy. And it took a long time for 529 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: Philadelphia fans to forgive him for that right. I think 530 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: they got booted the All Star Game. But he came 531 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: back and gave a lot of money to the gym 532 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: that I put on the map. By the way, family, 533 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: your brother played on the same team with Kobe, he did. Yeah, 534 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: I mean my brother was on that team. He was 535 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: captain of the team. Oh he was, but he was 536 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: not a you know, he scored maybe one point three 537 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: points per game or something. But when Kobe joined his 538 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: Kobe remembered your brother. Yeah, I fixed it or was. 539 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: He's probably being polite either way. But you know the 540 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: funny thing I tell this story to you guys, like 541 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: the team was half Jewish and half African Americans. It 542 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: was like Kobe to Goldberg, over to Schwartz and they 543 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: like they dominated. I'm serious, Like I don't. I don't 544 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: know if that'd in appropriate, but it was a funny 545 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: dynamic on that team in Wisconsin joints this. Hi, Matt, 546 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: what do you have for men today? Hi? Dan? Six 547 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: four two twenty Dan. I just wanted to get your thoughts. 548 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: I'm a Division three college basketball coach and I don't 549 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: know if you saw yesterday, but the Division One Council 550 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: extended the recruiting dead period for all Division one sports 551 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: through August thirty first, and interestingly enough, in Division three 552 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: as of Friday, June twelve, they opened the floodgates and 553 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: said we could go out. So I've been on the 554 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: road the last two weeks and can still be on 555 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: the road, and I just find it unique and wanted 556 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: to get your thoughts. I'm a consistency, you know, with 557 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: the NCAA and what their rules are for college coaches 558 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: across all divisions. I'm not well versed on it, Matt, 559 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, but good luck out on 560 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: the recruiting trail. Yeah, I'm not aware of this. So 561 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: they're allowing to three coaches to go out, but they 562 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: are not allowing other coaches to go out. But I'm 563 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: not aware of that. But thank you for the phone call. 564 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: In two seasons in Charlotte Vlade Divas numbers eleven points 565 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: eight rebounds and at the time George Shin is saying 566 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: this might be the best trade enfranchise history for us. 567 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: All Right, we'll take a break. We have our Play 568 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: of the Day that's coming up. Also, we have our 569 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: Discover Moment of the Week coming up, which was an 570 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: interesting one with Darius Rucker and how his daughter was 571 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: named after Dan Marino. That story coming up a little 572 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: bit later on as well. We'll dive into the decision. 573 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: Don Van Nada, the investigative reporter for ESPN. He looks 574 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: back on that decision by Lebron James, like who knew 575 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: what and when did they know it? And I know 576 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: I was critical of Lebron James from this standpoint. I 577 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: thought that he owed a phone call to um Gilbert, 578 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: the Calv's owner. What's Gilbert's first name, Dan Gilbert. Okay, 579 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: And and and you know, the more I've I've thought 580 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: of that, the more I think that I was wrong 581 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: in saying that from the standpoint of Lebron didn't like 582 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: Dan Gilbert, didn't trust him and wanted to get out 583 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: of there. And if I'm Lebron, even if I give 584 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: him a courtesy call to say, hey, just letting you 585 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: know I'm going to Miami, Dan Gilbert could have put 586 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: that out there and you know, taken all to the 587 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: steam out of the decision. Could have I just thought 588 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: Lebron needed to act bigger than Dan Gilbert because he 589 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: is bigger than Dan Gilbert and his reputation. But maybe 590 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: he didn't trust him. But at the time, I thought 591 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: at least given them a heads up because Cleveland was devastated. 592 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,959 Speaker 1: They were. And I don't think people realize the acrimony 593 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: between Lebron and Dan Gilbert not trusting him. But that 594 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: was the only thing, you know, the fact that he 595 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 1: said he was taking his talents to South Beach. And 596 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,240 Speaker 1: you know, I couldn't care less people did because it's Lebron, 597 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: But I couldn't care less. I just want to know, 598 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: is Dwayne Wade telling the truth that he did not 599 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 1: know that Lebron was going to Miami. As he's watching, 600 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: he's reacting the same way we are. He's what. Yeah, 601 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: I'm this is not to blame Lebron at all, but 602 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: I totally understand the pain Cleveland felt that would sink 603 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: as a fan. Yeah, you know, it's not Lebron's fault. 604 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 1: All free agency is great for the sport, but man, 605 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 1: that would have hurt. And then he came back. He 606 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,399 Speaker 1: did come back, but he came back because he knew 607 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: he had a team there. I think he would have 608 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,479 Speaker 1: stayed if he could have gotten If Chris Bosh would 609 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 1: have gone to Cleveland, I mean, I'm wondering if I'm 610 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: guessing he would have stayed. Lebron just needed somebody that 611 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: could be equal to him. He didn't have a Pippin, 612 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 1: and even when he got a Pippin, Pippin didn't want 613 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: to stay. Kyrie wanted to be a star and have 614 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: his own team. You know, Lebron needed a couple of 615 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: B pluses. Now he had some C pluses, maybe B minuses, 616 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: Maybe add a D or two in there. Well'll take 617 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: a break. Play of the day up next year on 618 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 1: The Dan Patrick Show. Thanks for listening to The Dan 619 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every 620 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: weekday morning nine until noon eastern six to nine Pacific 621 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio, and you can find us on 622 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us live every 623 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: day at YouTube dot com slash The Dan Patrick Show. 624 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: Did we settle on a poll question? Mclen We have 625 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 1: a new entry from Paul and I'm not sure if 626 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: these are right choices, but whose career would you want? 627 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 1: Vince Carter or Robert Ory? Seven time NBA champion. Vince Carter, 628 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: there's a time in your life where you were the 629 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,720 Speaker 1: biggest thing. Everyone bought your jerseys, m dunk champ. No titles, 630 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: no NBA Finals appearances, but you're gonna be remembered. Robert 631 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: Ory was a solid NBA player. He wasn't even like 632 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: a starter big shot Bob known for being clutch and 633 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: I think he has seven ranks and he was responsible 634 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 1: for a couple of them. He's not just along for 635 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: the ride. Which would you take? Vince Carter? Yeah, Vince Carter. 636 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 1: I think if if you said Tim Duncan instead of 637 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: Robert or you know, because Tim's got won five titles, 638 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: but Tim Duncan earned those five titles. He was, you know, 639 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,959 Speaker 1: largely responsible for five titles, So I would that would 640 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,720 Speaker 1: be different. Robert ori Orio. He was a role player 641 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: on all those players those teams and did hit some 642 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: big shots. But Vince Carter and it's pretty good career, 643 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: Yeah right, Duncan. I think it's a little too good though. 644 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: I'm looking there's a classic game on. How about Joe 645 00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: Dumars or somebody who's good on a title? Pippin tipping 646 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 1: or Vince Carter. Pippin was never the most famous player 647 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 1: on his own team. I I'm not the biggest Pippin 648 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: fan because of some of the other stuff that goes 649 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: along with it. I can't argue with six rings, it's 650 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: I would take Pippin just because it's six rings and 651 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,720 Speaker 1: you you want it with the most exciting, publicized, talked 652 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: about team in history. Um, we like Vince. I don't 653 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: know if people have a soft spot in their heart 654 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: for Scottie Pippen. With Vince, you just were like, you 655 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: got to admire that, you love it. He played till 656 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: he's forty three, but I you know, Scotty was still 657 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 1: he was a great player when he decided he didn't 658 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,439 Speaker 1: want to go back in, and then that that there's 659 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,879 Speaker 1: no coming back from that, and then in the documentary 660 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 1: to say, you know what, if I had to do 661 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: it all over again, I'd probably do the same thing. 662 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: And I'm went, no, no, don't say that. Even if 663 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 1: you believe it, don't double down like that. Jesse and 664 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. Hi, Jesse, what do you have for me today? 665 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 1: Happy meat and positivity Friday to you in the day. Yes, 666 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: well we'll try. Well, I'm gonna keep it there. On 667 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 1: Vince carter happy retirement. In Sports Talk yesterday, there's ben 668 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: some debate is he a Hall of Famer or not? 669 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: I believe he is. It's because, as you always say, 670 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: can you tell the story of the sport without the person? 671 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: And you can't mention the raptors without talking about Vince Carter. 672 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: But if if he doesn't manage to get in, can 673 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: they at least put his top ten dunks in? Started 674 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: with him jumping over poor old femic By because Frederic 675 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: as Marvin just pulled me on the phone. I didn't 676 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 1: realize this. That guy got drafted by the Knicks and 677 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: he never came keeping a real guys have a good one, 678 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: all right, thank you, Jesse. I don't know why there's 679 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: any debate about Vince Carter being a Hall of Famer. 680 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: I saw that. Yes, it's a dumbest debate. He's first ballot. 681 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: Wait who is what is the debate? I don't know. 682 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:11,360 Speaker 1: I mean if eight time All Star, I mean he 683 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,879 Speaker 1: led the All Star voting four times, Rookie of the Year, 684 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: Rookie of the year. Unless you're looking at the second hand, 685 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 1: if you take from twenty nine on, what kind of 686 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: numbers does Vince Carter him after the age of thirty? 687 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 1: He was never an All Star again for the next 688 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 1: twelve seasons. Could you compare his career at all to 689 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 1: Ken Griffy Junior, where the first decade is first ballot, 690 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 1: no doubt, also compelling beloved. Ever, we wanted to be 691 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: Ken Griffy. Everyone want to be Griffy. Didn't win. And 692 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: Griffy his last ten years he was a good MLB player. 693 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: He was not great a couple of All Star teams, 694 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,439 Speaker 1: but he was not Ken Griffy anymore like Vince Carter. 695 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: They adjusted and stuck around, and they never stunk, but 696 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: they cooled off. Yeah, but Vince became a three point specialist. 697 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: And you know, Junior didn't change his game. I mean, 698 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,439 Speaker 1: he just didn't hit as many home runs. He wasn't 699 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: able to you know, Rome freely like he did, you know, 700 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: center field. You know, unless you look at such a 701 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,360 Speaker 1: great first half of the career and then it cooled 702 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 1: down considerably in the second half. Yeah. Mcgle You know, 703 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: I'm a Vince guy, but I might say Griffy was 704 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 1: greater because Griffy was the singular force. Oh yeah, yeah, 705 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 1: Griffy was the best player in the sport and the 706 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 1: most popular for almost a decade. Vince was never that. 707 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 1: Didn't Vince went a title in college? Did they? I 708 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: think they lost that title with Jamison. I got a 709 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 1: double check they lose that too. That was a year 710 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 1: that John Finstein wrote the book following the Final Four, 711 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: I'll double check. Didn't they play Utah in the UH 712 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 1: Final four and then they went to the title game? 713 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: Michael Doleac, is that that here? I think with Rick 714 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,720 Speaker 1: Mageros or Van Horne, we gotta check this. Yeah, maybe Yukon, 715 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 1: I don't know. You take Maryland's in the mix there. 716 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 1: I got a double check. Yeah, we'll find out. We 717 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: got two to find out, one hour of the books, 718 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 1: two more to go.