1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff live right 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. He's Lance Meadow. I am 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: John Schmilk, and you will be on the phones all 4 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: show long at two o one nine three nine four 5 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: five one three. No guests today, folks. We want to 6 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: give you today and tomorrow just to get in and 7 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: get your final opinion on the draft and everything else 8 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: going on in the land of the New York Football Giants. 9 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: We've done a ton of guests in the last month. 10 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: I want to give make sure you have a chance 11 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: to get in in these last thirty six hours or 12 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: so before the NFL Draft begins. And I'll actually do 13 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: better thirty two hours before the NFL Draft begins tomorrow 14 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: night at eight o'clock in Dallas, Texas Standard time. I 15 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: thought you'd be a little bit more specific in terms 16 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: of all the details. Okay, well, how about this specific 17 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: but before we get to the draft. And I know 18 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: that's what all your call is going to be about, 19 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: and that's cool. Let's talk first, no, Lance, about what 20 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: we saw on the practice field yesterday. And obviously there's 21 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: been um and at nauseum micro managing and editing and 22 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: um analysis of what we saw yesterday the bottom one, 23 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: and we heard it from the guys today out in 24 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,199 Speaker 1: the field house. This is everyone getting their feet wet 25 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: for the first time. And some guys played well. Some 26 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: guys had great moments, some guys had bad moments, some 27 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: guys had both. And that's the process we're gonna be 28 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: in um as these two guys hit the field for 29 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: the first time, which just two weeks worth of meetings 30 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: to absorb in offense and the defense. So this is 31 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: the real, real early learning stages of this process line. 32 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: And it's a very small sample size in terms of 33 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: these guys getting on the field. To your point, John, 34 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: I think Davis Webb, who actually spoke to the media 35 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: before we came on, I mean heat to me put 36 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: things in perspective. He said, you know, when you go 37 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: out there for the first day, it's always the hardest 38 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: day because you guys, you gotta have guys running around, 39 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: and you know, not everybody fully knows the offense, so 40 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: even completing a pass without contact is difficult head times 41 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: under the circumstances, and they're extra amped up because it's 42 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: the first day of practice. So guys. He didn't use 43 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: this expression, but he kind of made the point that 44 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: guys are kind of like chickens running around with their 45 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: heads cut off nervous energy. Yeah, exactly, that's a good 46 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: way to put it. So it's very hard to look 47 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: in sync on the same page and doing all those things. Great, 48 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: I know, David's Webb is the guy everyone wants to 49 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: talk about. Um so real quick, from what I saw, 50 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 1: UM had some good moments, had some bad fumbled a 51 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: couple of snaps, which is fine. It happens. It's a 52 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: new center. You're figuring things out for the first time. 53 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: It's not a big deal. Um was off targeting a 54 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: few passes, other targets. He fit them into really small spots, 55 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: made some nice throws on a couple of short passes 56 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,119 Speaker 1: the tight ends. Look, guys, we know what Davis Webb 57 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 1: can do physically. He's pretty mobile or mobile enough. He's big, 58 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: he's strong, he's got a good arm, and he looks 59 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: the part, and he did all those things yesterday. We 60 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: knew all that. We're not really gonna learn anything that 61 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: much new about Davis Webb. Yeah, we'll learn a little 62 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: bit more because he's now the number two for the 63 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: time beings against better players than needed last year. That's fine, 64 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: but let's be honest, we're not really learning anything less 65 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: until he steps onto the field in the first quarter 66 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 1: of that first or second quarter of that first preseason 67 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: game and he's got Russia's claringly I don't not want 68 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: to kill him, and let's see how he does. Yeah, 69 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: I mean, that's how you learned about all quarterbacks. This 70 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: web is not unique. I mean, this whole narrative John 71 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: that and Pat Shermer has quieted that narrative. But despite 72 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: that narrative, nobody wants to stop talking about it, as 73 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: if these three days that we're currently in the midst 74 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: of is Davis Webbs Pro Day and that all of 75 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: a sudden what the Giants coaching staff sees out of 76 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: these three days could perhaps influence the direction they want 77 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: to go in the draft, which to me is absolutely ridiculous. 78 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,839 Speaker 1: It's ludicrous. What's its vocabularus? Crazy you want to throw out? 79 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no way, I mean, even if you're 80 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: not somebody that has followed football overwhelmingly over the years, 81 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: that could come to the conclusion that in a non 82 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: contact set of three days, John, when a quarterback is 83 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: throwing against air, that that is going to convince them 84 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: that he could be the successor t Lineman. We think 85 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: Sam Donald's as good as Andrew Luck. But you know what, 86 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: since Davis Webb hit a guy that he's never played 87 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: with before down the field on target for c that's it. 88 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: You know what. We don't want the next Andrew Lock. 89 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: We're gonna stick with Davis Webb. And look, that was 90 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: and I think from the beginning of this process, at 91 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 1: least to me, Davis Webb's presence isn't what was going 92 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: to be the balancer on the scale as to whether 93 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: or not the Giants draft the quarterback. He's a factor, 94 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: he's there. You compare the skill set of the quarterbacks 95 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: coming out to his. Absolutely, But as Dave Gentleman said 96 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: at the combine, if you see one of these quarterbacks 97 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: and you believe that he's your next franchise guy for 98 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: the next fifteen years, you pick up and if you 99 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: think that David Webb being on the team is not 100 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: gonna stop you, and David's Webb. They tried to get 101 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: him to give an annoyed answer about how he would 102 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: be annoyed at the Giants draft of the quarterback. He 103 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: was wonderful he said exactly what he was supposed to say, 104 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: and that part of the quarterback game he has down. 105 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: That guy knows how to win the media available he 106 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: win the press conference. He's I'd hate to throw the 107 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: word out, but he's like you know, David Wright Ish 108 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: Jeter Ish judges in terms of his ability to say 109 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: the right thing. And he said, all I care about 110 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: is the Giants becoming a better team. And if Dave 111 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: Gentleman thinks the best way for the Giants to become 112 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: a better team is a draft a quarterback, I'm ad 113 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: pent for it. Let's go, we'll compete, and we'll see 114 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: what happens. That's above my pay grade. I don't want 115 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: to make those decisions. I don't make those decisions. I'm 116 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: here to be the best teammate possible and become the 117 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: best quarterback I can bey. And that's the only attitude 118 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: he should have, and frankly, Lance is the only attitude 119 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: anybody should have. Well, I was gonna say, you didn't 120 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: even have to go that far with the comparisons. John, 121 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: the guy that's in the same quarterbacks room, is an 122 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: example too. Yeah, exactly. I mean he pretty much handled 123 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: it like Eli Manning his hands question during his tenure 124 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: here in New York, and what you laid out was 125 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: one percent. I mean the other thing that they tried 126 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: to rattle him with was and they asked elive this question. John. 127 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: Over the last few weeks, you've had some of the 128 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: top prospects actually come to the facility, and you know, 129 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: has that fired up Davis Webb? Does he get more 130 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: amped up to make a statement than he answered it? 131 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: Just as you said, gonna be a good teammate. I 132 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: am motivated myself. And let's face it, Davis Webb should 133 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: have all the motivation of the world. He moved up 134 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: to number two on the depth chart in the span 135 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: of this offseason, and he understands what's in front of him. 136 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: So you don't need to draft a quarterback to Davis Webb. 137 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,239 Speaker 1: But what does that stake here? That's another ridiculous story. 138 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: The guy's working his butt off and he wants it 139 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: and and that's why you think he has a chance. 140 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: By the way, and that's why you think he has 141 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: the chance to be the next guy. We don't know 142 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: if he is or not, and we don't know who 143 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: were the Giants drafted second overall? Is gonna be a 144 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: great player, despite the fact that people throw can't miss 145 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: prospect around, which there really is no such thing. By 146 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: the way, you don't know. But he shows the intangibles 147 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: and the physical traits that he should be able to 148 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: do it. But let's see him get on the field 149 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: and do it well and the period. The other thing 150 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: that I want to add, because you know, everybody always says, well, 151 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: David's Webb compared to these quarter prospects, you have to 152 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: essentially look at the collegiate tape because we haven't seen 153 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: David's web in regular season game. But the other thing 154 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: that a lot of people will point out John as well, 155 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: Davis's Webb has a significant advantage over these quarterback prospects 156 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: because he's had a year in the NFL, which I 157 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: agree in terms of understanding what you need to be 158 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: to be a professional. But as David's Webb pointed out 159 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: to us today, he is starting from scratch one job. 160 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: If he was in the same system, it's a different conversation. 161 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: So it's almost as if he's back to equal footing 162 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: somewhat if they were to go in the direction of 163 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: drafting a quarterback, because and he this is how he 164 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: laid it out. He said, Eli Manning is on algebra 165 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: twenty or was last year. Was last year, and but 166 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: even to this degree, he's still on aldra before because 167 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: he has so much experience at David's Webb said, I 168 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: was on addition last year when he first came in 169 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: to try to learn Ben mcadoo's defense. Now he says 170 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: he's not on addition offense. Excuse me, now, he's not 171 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: on addition. He's on algebra one according to David's Webb. 172 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: But he is still having to flush everything out of 173 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: his system from last year because all the jargon, all 174 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: the language is completely new. And if they Giants do 175 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: at some point draft a quarterback, whether it's second or 176 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: somewhere else in the draft, he'll have a four week 177 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: advantage on the other quarterbacks that year. Yeah, and that's 178 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: once again not a huge sample size. Now again, things 179 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: like learning how to handle the huddle, and he mentioned 180 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: that something he learned from last year because he didn't 181 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: do that in college, was on no huddle, and he 182 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: said the one thing he was very happy with he 183 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: didn't make any mistakes relaying the plays in the huddle yesterday. 184 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: So little things like that that will give him a 185 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: leg up, no question about it. But you're right in 186 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: terms of learning the system in the big picture stuff. 187 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: You know, what happens on the field and games is 188 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: what really gets you ready. You can only do so much, uh, 189 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: you know, in T shirts and in the film room. 190 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: It helps, of course, but we're not gonna know anything 191 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: until they get into a petted situation. Um. Not a 192 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: whole lot of else to talk about. Um. All the 193 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: rumors of the Odell Beckham holdout turned out to be hogwashed, 194 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 1: which which I think is really funny. We spent two 195 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: weeks on this on on the show, people calling out 196 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: freaking out that Odell's not gonna show up and they 197 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: have to trade him. And even though we can't even 198 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: practice with an ankle injury, the guys in the building, 199 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: so that's something you don't really worry about, and all 200 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: have another practice today, one more tomorrow, and then you 201 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: get the draft on Thursday night. Tomorrow will be a 202 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: little bit shortened because of obviously the draft preparation. But yeah, 203 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: the schedule for the most part for these first two 204 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: days identical in terms of how Pat Schermer handled things, 205 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: and they had to walk through today. They had to 206 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: walk through yesterday, and they're gonna practice shortly until about 207 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: later in the afternoon, and of an opportunity, get Eli, 208 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: Manny and Davis, wh Web, plenty of rupts. All right, folks, 209 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: will get to the draft as you go along, Lance 210 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: and I at least I will give my final prediction 211 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 1: of my final thought. And when I do, I'm gonna 212 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: talk for a long time in a row. I'll apologize 213 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: ahead of time than you because I've probably except for 214 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: the people upstairs, I can't imagine there's another person on 215 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: this planet that's thought about this giants draftic more than 216 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: I have. I've been through it so many times in 217 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: my head. A Poltino, you're right, second most, Yeah, absolutely, 218 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: right back, cod thank you second most. But I've been 219 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: over this thing so many times in my head where 220 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: I think I finally settled on something, and you know, 221 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: I've been back and forth a few times and I 222 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: think I've settled. So we can get to that. Whatever 223 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: you guys want to leave to me. I don't know 224 00:09:58,040 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: if that's a relief to the rest of them, but 225 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: I am relieve to hear show. You are tremendous news. 226 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: All right, let's get to it. Already takes some calls 227 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: five one, three, our buddy stops at in Washington. We 228 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: even are from stops in a while. What's up, pal, Hey, 229 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: what's up? So I deliberately haven't called in and I 230 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 1: waited to be right before the draft and call and 231 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: and make my point because everyone is changing every day. 232 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: So a couple of things real quick. If if we're 233 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: gonna take a quarterback, in my opinion, it's Alan o'donald 234 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: and that's where it ends in my personal opinion. Okay, 235 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 1: I but when I look at the NFL landscape, even 236 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: even look at the success of the Rams and what 237 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: was the major difference in the Rams, look at what 238 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: how other teams have built their teams, the Eagles, even 239 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: the Giants before we drafted Manning. A lot of time 240 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: teams don't just there's another recipe. It's not always get 241 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: your quarterback and build your team. There's also build your 242 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: team and when you see the study you want, you 243 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: go get them. And that's what the Eagles did with Rents. 244 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: That that's what the Giants had. An old line, a 245 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: running game, we had Shocky, we had a defense before 246 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: we got Manny. You know, like there's things that just 247 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: other ways to play. So this mindset of oh you 248 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: got a draft a quarterback, I think it's well, stop 249 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: star start stars, one thing, starts one thing real quick. 250 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: The Giants said of Harry Collins as their starting quarterback 251 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: when they drafted Elive, So it's not like they didn't 252 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: have a quarterback that Well, look, Harry Collins was your starter, 253 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: yeah before starting quarterback right right? No, and not get that. 254 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: But all I'm saying is that this, this, this I 255 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: hear it over and over, is like, if you're drafting 256 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: that high, you know you have to pick a quarterback. 257 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: I just don't think that's the case. I think Clinton 258 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: Nelson instantly makes the whole offense better in my opinion. Okay, 259 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: Wayne Gallman showed promise last year. Um give him a 260 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: better old line. See what the kid can do. Give 261 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: pr Manny more time. See how quicker Odell Beckham Jr. 262 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: Is gonna be able to get open. It makes the difference. 263 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: Keep your defense off the field, See how much fresh 264 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: where they are when they take the field. It makes 265 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: such a difference. And I just I just don't I 266 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: just really hope that we play we play it smart 267 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: and we get our we get I wouldn't even mind 268 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: going online number one and online in the second round. 269 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: I'd be completely honest with you, I wouldn't have mind that. 270 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: I just want to see the Giants get back to 271 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: being able to control their own destiny on the field 272 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: and not hoping that we could get Beckham onnest slant. 273 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: You know, Manny doesn't get slacked. I'm begging to take 274 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: it to the house, like that's the job where I'm not. Guys, 275 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: I'll leave it to you. You could take a part 276 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: between anyway you want to love the show, always listening. Um, 277 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: I'll take you, guys, go fair, Thank you stas. I 278 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: appreciate it. And look, I can't say picking Quinn Nelson's 279 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: a bad idea. I get guarded too. I totally get 280 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: that in position values something i'll talk about a lot 281 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: later in the show. But he's really, really, really good 282 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: and the guard market, as we saw this offseason, teams 283 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: are understanding based on the contracts they're giving out the 284 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: importance of having very strong interior offensive line play. So 285 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: I get it. Um, I don't want to get into 286 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: the quarterback. Then again, while you like Allan more than 287 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: the other guys, I have my feelings on that in 288 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: a Lands does too um, But look, I get it, 289 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: and if that's your opinion, it's a it's a valid one. Yeah, Listen, 290 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: I think that Nelson is a hell of a player, 291 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: and I don't think you have to stretch to make 292 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: an argument to say that he warrants the number two 293 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: overall pick. The only thing that people are turned off 294 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: by that is Johnny's not the sexy pick. But you 295 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: need offensive lineman to win football games, is the last 296 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: call are alluded to. So to say that you can't 297 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: take an offensive lineman because he's not that player that's 298 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: going to show up in the box score and get 299 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: a hundred rushing yards or throw for three hundred yards 300 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: or catch eighty passes, to me is absolutely ridiculous because 301 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: a lot of the teams that address the interior of 302 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: their offensive lines wound up actually making quick turnarounds and 303 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: getting to the playoffs. And we've seen that across the board. 304 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: It's not just unique for one squad. Lands who would 305 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: have been three of the most successful Giants draft picks 306 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: over the past four years. It's been Odell Beckham Jr. 307 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 1: It's been Darling Sheppard, and it's been eviding ground. Okay, 308 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: and obviously Landon Collins would be the fourth guy in 309 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: that group. But those are the three that are probabib 310 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 1: most successful. They're all flashy guys that make catches and 311 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: put up numbers. How many games of giantsmen last year? Three? 312 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: It's not just about that, of course. Well, I mean 313 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: that lays it out beautifully. Now people are gonna counter 314 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: and say, well, a lot of those guys you name 315 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: were banged up, but still it wasn't as if before 316 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: they got banged up that they were necessarily on pace 317 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: to win ten games or whatever it may all in 318 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: four but hurt. So I don't think there's a big 319 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: difference in terms of making that argument. But the guys 320 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: that the trenches are such difference makers. And the caller 321 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: brought up Rams, brought up Eagles. Now I disagree slightly 322 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: that they waited to take the quarterback once their quote 323 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: unquote house was in order. To me, they were working 324 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: on things simultaneously. They did draft Goff a year before 325 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: they signed Andrew Whitworth, so I'll give you that. But 326 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: their offensive line, John, if you go back to God's 327 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: rookie year, was not anywhere where you felt he's ready 328 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: to step in front of that old line. He's gonna 329 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: do damage. Lands they were. Their offense was a mess 330 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: win golf thing. They had very little talent outside Um. 331 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: The only guy they really had on offense was Girling. Yeah, 332 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: and that's it. I mean, they really have anybody else 333 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: I could catch the football, that could block or do 334 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: anything else. So I agree with you. And here's the 335 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: thing with the Eagles. The Eagles never really super duper 336 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: bottomed out. I mean, just two years before they drafted Wentz, 337 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: they were one eleven games, were in the playoffs. They 338 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: were just moving on from the chip Kelly rain right 339 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: essentially what they were doing. And they were doing it 340 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: while kind of switching quarterbacks in and out. They went 341 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: from one quarterback to the other. You know, you were 342 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: from Folds and then you had eventually Bradford showed up 343 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: there and then you went to went to wins. But 344 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: different things. Coming off with three and thirteen and having 345 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: a thirty six or thirty seven year old quarterback. I 346 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: think it's a little bit of a different comparison. I know, 347 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: I agree. And one thing I want to add before 348 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: we go back to the phone calls. The other reason 349 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: why I disagree with the last caller was saying about 350 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: that you need your house in order. Is the fact 351 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: that when you draft a quarterback, John, and I've said 352 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: this time and time again, this is not a draft 353 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: pick for two thousand eighteen only, so who's at all? 354 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: By the way, so who's to say the offensive line 355 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: how it looks at eighteen is not how the offensive 356 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: line is gonna look at two thousand, twenty or twenty one. 357 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: That's another reason why you can't say, well, there's no 358 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: way we could draft a quarterback unless the offensive line 359 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: right now is My argument would be you could draft 360 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: a quarterback, I just wouldn't have the urge to put 361 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: him in front of that offensive line if the offensive 362 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: line is not ready to go. And the offensive line 363 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: from a past protection standpoint, in my opinion, is already 364 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: better than it was last year, simply because Nate soldiers 365 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: on the team. The run game. I'm not willing to 366 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: make that commitment to see but the past game. Just 367 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: having that left tackle that you can rely on, difference 368 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: maker Tony and d C. He's up next, Hey Tony, 369 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: what's going on? Pal? Hey Jens takes to take him call? 370 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: Thanks for calling and tone. What's up? So two quick things. 371 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: So first, I knew you guys are gonna start with 372 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: talking about the quarterback that mini camp, because I'm sure, 373 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: as you heard from the Beat writers, one quarterback improved 374 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: but looked in consisted in the other quarterback looked every 375 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: bit of thirty seven years old. So that's just the word, 376 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean much to well Tony. Tony, honestly, 377 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: I didn't think Eli looked any different than he has 378 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: the last three or four years in practice, So I 379 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,959 Speaker 1: honestly I didn't know what the Beat writers wrote. I 380 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: can tell you that Eli Manning through one of the 381 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: better passes I've seen in a couple of years. In 382 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 1: his last play at practice, he threw a thirty yard 383 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: missile on a skinny poster sterling Shepherd between three defensive players. 384 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: That was one of the best throws I've seen in 385 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: practice in the last four or five years. So again, 386 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: that was just me. Eli looked like Eli. To me, 387 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: I didn't see any change in him. Neither did I. 388 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: I didn't send you the dramatic difference, and I think 389 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: anybody that's running with those conclusions to be as hungry 390 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: to write a story in way jumping ahead to what 391 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: may transpire throughout the rest of the off season. And 392 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: by the way, Tony, again, I have no idea who 393 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: wrote that in and what they wrote. That was just 394 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: my impression from watching practice. Go ahead, what's your second point? 395 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and plus and like, this is not about 396 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: Evon Manning. He's he's a made man. This is not 397 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: a bigot Manning. But here's my question you, guys, I 398 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: would surprised me is that there are only two quarterbacks 399 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: on the roster. And I thought it was genius bringing 400 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: in Geno Smith last year because you hope to be competitive, 401 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: you wanted an experience guys there in case went down. 402 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: You don't think we should because we might not drop 403 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 1: the quarterback, So you don't think we should bring in 404 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: a you know, an older veteran QB. Who's to say 405 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: they won't do that, though, Tony, they can, and I 406 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: would be surprised if they didn't add an undrafted free 407 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,719 Speaker 1: agent quarterback. I think that to be something that's probably 408 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: gonna happen after the draft. I would say they might 409 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: use a six or seventh round pick on one, but 410 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: they don't have a six or seventh round pick, so 411 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: I think that might be a priority free agent form. 412 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: But Ton'ty. Here's the thing. If you use a third 413 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: round pick on a quarterback like the Giants that On 414 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: Davis won last year, by year or two, he's got 415 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: to be your backup. You can't go using a third 416 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: round pick on a quarterback and then he's your third 417 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,719 Speaker 1: stringer for two years in a row. I don't like 418 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: that allocation of resources. So I think you can count 419 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: on Davi's web to be your backup quarterback this year, 420 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: and I'm comfortable with that. So I don't think you 421 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 1: have to bring in a veteran if you want to cool, fine, 422 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: I got no problem with that for training can competition. 423 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: But you've got a real problem on your hands if 424 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: David's Webb isn't ready to be your backup in a 425 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: second year as a third round pick. The other thing 426 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: to take it to consideration, at least at this point, 427 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: I will say, Tony to me, there's no urgency to 428 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: have a third quarterback because right now you want David's 429 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: Webb to get as many reps as humanly. Even better point, 430 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: so why would you bring in a third quarterback just 431 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: to sit around and do nothing training camp? I get it. 432 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: There may be some value to have some competition puts 433 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: David's Webb a little bit, assuming they don't draft anybody. 434 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: But I don't think there's any meaning in bringing in 435 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: a third quarterback because David's Web should get as many reps. 436 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: He should be rotating and out with Eli Manning. No 437 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: urgency to bring in another room. Well, I'm not saying 438 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: he shouldn't be the backup quarterback. He should. But if 439 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: but you know, our guys thirty seven, if he goes 440 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: down and David's Webb isn't a guy, well there we are, 441 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: you know, But that's what But well, but but the 442 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: thing is, Tony, I don't mean to cut you up, 443 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: but Tony, we're I mean, we're at the ninety man 444 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: roster right now. You know, your point to me makes 445 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: a lot more sense if we're at fifty three and 446 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,959 Speaker 1: then we're actually playing meaningful regular season games and you're 447 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: concerned about the depth chart right now when you're at ninety, 448 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: I don't think there's that much once again urgency to 449 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: say they need an extra arm at this And I 450 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: think it also will be hard to attract a good 451 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: veteran by selling him on the fact he's the third 452 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: string quarterback. You know, these backup quarterbacks can kind of 453 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: pick where they go a lot of times because they 454 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: find the spot where they think they have the chance 455 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: to play. And to tell a veteran, he's gonna come 456 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: in here and be the third string guy, and I'm 457 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: not sure I'll attracted. It is to those freeing a 458 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: lot of that's a great point. Oh no, and I'm 459 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: wich and that's very true. And that's very true. But see, 460 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: I kind of thought about the other way. Since you 461 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: have nineties spots, you would definitely have more quarterbacks. But 462 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: but anyway, one of my second question about the draft, 463 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: um and this isn't up to the fall to get 464 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: him in my opinion, because he's been wheeling and deal 465 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: in his butt off. He's trying. But but we have 466 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: lost a lot of top in roster guide. I mean 467 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: many people have said, like he's really cut the rossets 468 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: to the bone at certain terms of starters, which I 469 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: do agree with. But maybe the way the market turned out, 470 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: we didn't get as many replacements as I thought we 471 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: would buy. Now, so I gotta give it to PAULI 472 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: trading back, Let's say, heck of a lot better right now. 473 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: If we're not going to take a quarterback, who did 474 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: they lose? Who they lose? Tony though, who are you 475 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: referring to, JPP? I would imagine Brandon Marshall. Well, I 476 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: mean think about it, JP, I mean, I mean not 477 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: even Brenda Marshall was expected. I was shocked at JPP. 478 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: Dr Boskar Roll justin to Western Richburg d J Pluker. 479 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: I don't think all six of those guys to be gone. 480 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: We keep at least one or the other. That's a 481 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: lot of that of I get that, and I think 482 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: it remains to be seen whether or not you know 483 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: there's somebody on the roster that's gonna fill the void 484 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: of a d r C or even fill the void 485 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: of a Ross cock Roll. But if you're just looking 486 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: at pure numbers, remember Dave Gentleman did go out and 487 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: he brought in five new defensive backs. So from a 488 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: numbers standpoint, I don't see them lacking. I understand in 489 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: terms of proven commodities, I think you have a strong argument, 490 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: But numbers wise, I think they brought in value to say, hey, 491 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: let the best man win. As theoretically, Kareem Martin, would 492 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: you would be your replacement for Jason year Paul theory 493 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: again and and again. You signed patrickal mom Ay he 494 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: would replace Justin Pew, and you add in Nate Solder, 495 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: and then you have Brett Jones, who was here last 496 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: year already has a replacement for Richburg. So Tony, thanks 497 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: for the call. We appreciate it that that that's kind 498 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: of where he is, and that's kind of where I 499 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: am with with the draft pick too. And I'll kind 500 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: of piecemeal this out. I'll say, you know, talk about 501 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: this part first. This is why, and I know you're 502 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: against it, and I think I'm more in favorite than Paul, 503 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: even as at this point, I think the Giants need 504 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: numbers here. Um, they're coming off a three and thirteen 505 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: year Lands right now. Do we know for sure who 506 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: the Giants third wide receiver is. No, but not a 507 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: big need. I still think they need a starting offensive lineman. 508 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: I think they need another running back that can be 509 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: a significant part of this rotation, if not the overall starter. 510 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: I think you need corners on defense that have high 511 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: end talent. I think I would like more competition at 512 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: safety next to Landon Collins. I think you need more 513 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: bodies in the linebacker room that have high end talent, 514 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: and I think you know the past rusher that can 515 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: you know, help Olivia Vernon get to the quarterback on 516 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: a consistent basis. So that's six or seven spots there. 517 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: I think there's a legitimate spot where I would want 518 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: more talent in the room. And the Giants only have 519 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 1: six picks in this draft with the extra picks they 520 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: picked up in in the third round. So to me, 521 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: I would be very anxious to try to stack some 522 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: picks in this draft if you can, and if if 523 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: you get the right deal from the Bills, you can 524 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: walk away with four or five starters in the first 525 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: two days of the draft. I think that might be 526 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: more helpful to this team in the short and long 527 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: term than getting that one big banger at the top. 528 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: Well that's just me. I mean, I agree with your 529 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: point that volume is important because look at all the 530 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: injuries that the Giants have dealt with. I just I'm 531 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: a little bit leery of once you remove yourself from 532 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: that top five, top ten area, and to use Buffalo 533 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: as an example, Buffalos and twelve, and you're now decreasing 534 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: your chances from one of the non top quarterback prospects 535 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: and the debate is, listen, would you rather have the 536 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: can't miss top non quarterback prospect and those things it 537 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: can't a bunch of peripheral wh I'm wording it like that, 538 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: I agree with your sentiments, and a bunch of peripheral 539 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: complimentary guys in the rest of the rounds? Or would 540 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: you rather just have a bunch of complimentary guys that 541 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: could very well stay healthy and contribute, but you don't 542 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: necessarily have that wound me solo prospect. Well, here's how 543 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: I look at it, and and this I'll kind of 544 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: get into my draft thing now, and this will build 545 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: up as we go throughout the show. You said it, right, 546 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,479 Speaker 1: it decreases your chances of getting that top position player. Right, 547 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: But if you go back through past drafts and you 548 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: take a look at where guys were picked that ended 549 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: up being perennial All pros or Hall of famers, a 550 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: lot of times it's guys picked in the top five, 551 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: but there are it's significant number of times when there's not. 552 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: So if you take a look at this draft, what's 553 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: the percent probability that a guy picked between ten and 554 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: twenty could end up being better than the guy the 555 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:14,479 Speaker 1: Giants pick it too. I don't know the answer. That 556 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: nobody does it. It's a nebulous number. But the question 557 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: is, is is that is the chance that Barkley is that 558 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: much better than Derwin James or Making Fitzpatrick or you know, 559 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: Tremae and Edmonds. Is that percentage chance worth not having 560 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: two or three additional picks in the draft. I don't 561 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: know that if you're picking a quarterback, which is the 562 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 1: most important position on the field, that that's value. I 563 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,479 Speaker 1: can't argue with that, and trading down if you love 564 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: one of the quarterbacks, that's too important to spot. But 565 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: if you're talking about a guard or running back and 566 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: the positional value there and the depth of those positions 567 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: later on in the Jeff, what you talked about a ton, 568 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,959 Speaker 1: you can get a starting caliber player that I think 569 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: can impact the game almost as much as those guys 570 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: at the top at the top of especially running back, 571 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: I would point out, no question, and especially if you 572 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: trade with the Bills at twelve and twenty two, right 573 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: you have that twenty second pick in the draft, you 574 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: could probably select any other running back in the draft 575 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: at that point. I don't think another running back is 576 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,719 Speaker 1: gonna be gone by twenty two. So if you love 577 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: Darius guys, go get them. You like Sony Michelle, go 578 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,479 Speaker 1: get him. You could pick whatever guy you want. And 579 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: would I be shocked and blown away that Sony Michelle 580 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: is really close to the production of se Kwon Barkley 581 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: wants something that would shocked me? Would it shock me 582 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: if in five years that Derwin James or Minky Fitzpatrick 583 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,479 Speaker 1: are just as good as Bradley Chubb? Wouldn't shock me? 584 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: Do I think Chubb will be better? Yeah? I think so, 585 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: But would it shock me if they're not? No, wouldn't 586 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: shock me. That's why I think if you're sitting there 587 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: and you're looking at a position player, and again there's 588 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: no guarantee this offer is gonna be there, Maybe the 589 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: phone doesn't ring, and maybe this deal is not on 590 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: the table, very possible. But if you can get they're 591 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: two ones, a two, and then one other piece, whether 592 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,959 Speaker 1: it's another two this year or one next year, and 593 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: you can get three players for the price of one. 594 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: Given where the Giants are coming off at three and 595 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: thirteen year, if you're talking about position players, I will 596 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 1: roll the dice on that second tier of players in 597 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: this draft and getting two more guys later versus one 598 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: of Barkley, Nelson or Chub. I think mathematically that's the 599 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: right debt to make. Well, I'm certainly gonna listen to 600 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: an offer like that, but i'd want the one next 601 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: year to really so would I feel much better about 602 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: rolling that die? So would I? I mean, that would 603 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: then tilt it heavily in favor of saying, hey, you 604 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: know what, choose a great spot. But this is an 605 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: attractive offer to help the team from a volume standpoint, 606 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: from a long term stamp. And I talked about this 607 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: with Paul on Tuesday or was it Monday Monday? And 608 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: my deal was, you get twelve, you get twenty two, 609 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: You get one of their second round picks, whether it's 610 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: I believe they have fifty three and fifty six if 611 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, So even let them keep their better 612 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: second round pick, take fifty sea, take fifty six, and 613 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: then you get their first round pick next year. That 614 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: deal makes sense, and I would sign up for that 615 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: in a second. Maybe the Bills aren't offering that. I 616 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: don't know the answer to that question. But if you're 617 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: looking at a position player, and I'll give my ship, 618 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: that's that was a lot of my spiel. So if 619 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there to Lands and again, it's just just 620 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,239 Speaker 1: my opinion is not what the giants are thinking are 621 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: going to do, simply my opinion. If Sam Donald's there, 622 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: I take them because to me, every quarterback in this 623 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: class has a big time blemish. That scares me a 624 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: little bit. Okay, Josh Allen, the anticipation and the stuff 625 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: you talked about dan Orlovski, the accuracy scares the heck 626 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: out of me. I'm not sure you could fix that. 627 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: Josh Rosen's durability doesn't protect himself well, has had a 628 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: lot of injuries. You can't fix that. That just is 629 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,239 Speaker 1: what it is, all right, Baker Mayfield six ft one 630 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: half inch tall. I can't fix that, can't try as 631 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: you can speak to you. You tried to fix it, 632 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: you can't fix it. Well, I haven't tried to fix it. 633 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: I'm content speculation. You are what you are and and 634 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: that does affect you as a quarterback. I know people say, well, 635 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson can do it. Well one, Russell Wilson's a 636 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: better athlete than Um Mayfield is. But if you watch 637 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson play Lands a lot of the times he 638 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: does have guys open when he's in the pocket, but 639 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: he's trouble seeing him because he's only six ft tall 640 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: and he has to break the pocket to roll out 641 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: and create something. Not everyone can be a quarterback genius 642 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: like Drew Brees and navigate the pocket like that at 643 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: six ft tall, and I have a hard time betting 644 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: on somebody being able to do that. So again, Donald, 645 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: to me, doesn't have one of those super red flags. 646 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: I think what his issues are you can fix, and 647 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: I'm confident that you can with his skill set. So 648 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: Donald's there. I take him if he the Browns take Donald, 649 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: which I still think is likely. I don't know what 650 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: your opinion is, but I think that's probably the most 651 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: likely scenario right now, and you're sitting there, trade down 652 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,479 Speaker 1: for the reasons I just gave in my previous spiel, 653 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: is why I would try to trade down. Now. If 654 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: you can't trade down, and you're looking at Rosen or Mayfield, 655 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: and then you look at the three premium position players, right, 656 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: you got Barkley, you got Chubbed, and you got Nelson. 657 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: The two quarterbacks. The Giants and other NFL teams are 658 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: going to have more information on those guys than I 659 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: will in terms of medical and other things that I 660 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: can only look at the tape. I don't know what 661 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: guys are saying about them in the locker room, whether 662 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: they like them, off the field stuff. Medical, we don't 663 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: have that information like teams. So I'll let the Giants 664 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: figure out. If they are sold on one of those 665 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: two guys and they love them, I'm fine, pick up, 666 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: go ahead. But let's say those are out of the 667 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: picture and you're not going quarterback, okay, and you're down 668 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: to the three position players Barkley, Chubb and Nelson, and 669 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: you gotta pick one. The trades not there, You're not 670 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,479 Speaker 1: picking a quarterback, and you gotta pick one. I'm not 671 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: a full blown analytics guy, but I do think they're valuable. 672 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: I think you have to take it as part of 673 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: the equation. And when you look at the NFL in 674 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: the way it's played now, with the value of the 675 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: passing game, it's a passing league. And yes, I do 676 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: believe the running back can impact the passing game, and 677 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: that you bring guys up into the box and makes 678 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: things a little bit easier, especially if they question And 679 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: I'll get to that in a second. And I think 680 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: that's the argument for Sae Kwon Barkley, and that he's 681 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: not just a runner. He can be an impact player 682 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: in the past game and the return game even if 683 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: you want. He can protect the pasture, you can be 684 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: on the field on third downs. But I can't get 685 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: it out of my head that as a pure rusher, 686 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: it would not surprise me at all if either Darius 687 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: Guys or Ronald Jones and Sony Michelle are better pure 688 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: runners than Sae Kwon Barkley in this draft. And that's 689 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: why I can't sell myself on that. I know that's 690 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: what everybody wants, and that's the pure pressure I'm not 691 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: gonna give in. I'm not picking the running back at 692 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: two because I like the other guys in the class 693 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: too much that I know I can get later on 694 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna do it. Then you're down to 695 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: Nelson and Chubb, and I keep going back to quint 696 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: Nelson because I think his bus factor is significantly lower 697 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: than Barkley, and I think Barkley is gonna be a 698 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: very good player. But I don't see anyway, barring a 699 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: catastrophic injury ray, that quentn Nelson is not at all 700 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: pro I really don't. I don't see it. But he's 701 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: a guard, and I like the guards later in the draft, 702 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: Isaiah Win, will Hernandez James Daniels. I can get one 703 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: of those guys at the top of two. I can 704 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: do that. So then you're down with Bradley Chubb, who 705 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: I don't think is a prime RIB grade a prospect. 706 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: I think he's really, really, really good. I'm not sure 707 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: that he's great, but I've seen teams look for pass 708 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: rushers for a decade and not be able to find one. 709 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: And when we look back at that article that we 710 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: talked about in the show a couple weeks ago, and 711 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: you look at bus positions, the first round is full 712 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: of running back bus and they're full of defensive line busts. 713 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: I think Bradley Chubb has a very high floor. He's 714 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: great technique wise, he knows what he's doing, he works 715 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: really hard, he checks all the boxes off the field, 716 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,239 Speaker 1: And if I had to pick between those three, I 717 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: think I picked Chubb because of the positional value. And 718 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the Giants don't think that way, because 719 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman has pointed out aside from quarterback, he doesn't 720 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: believe in the whole position of value. Think he's gonna 721 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: pick the highest graded player and that's his prerogative. And 722 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: I totally get it. I'm not telling you Nelson's a 723 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: bad pick. I'm not telling you Barkley is a bad pick. 724 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: This is simply my perspective. I get why you would 725 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: select those other two guys. I totally understand. But I 726 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: think the fact that the defensive end position falls off 727 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: a cliff in this draft after Um Davenport and the 728 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: kid from Boston College Harold is more of a gap there. Yeah, 729 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: there really is. So I worry about what happens with 730 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: this Giants defense without a pass rusher. I mean, we 731 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: talked about the holes, linebacker, corner, you know, maybe even safety. 732 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: Last year they were inconsistent getting to the quarterback and 733 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: they've lost their second best pass rusher, chasing Pierre Paul. 734 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: And yeah, you can try to generate it with blitzes 735 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: and stuff, but as you will know, it's about the 736 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: players winning one on one battles to get there. That's 737 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: how you do it. And I think you need it. 738 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: And I've had enough people tell me that they think 739 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb is going to be great, even though I'm 740 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: not sure about it. People that I trust and I 741 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: think know what they're talking about that I think right now, 742 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: if I had to make that pick, that's what I 743 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: would do. So that's Chubb one, Nelson to Barkley three. Then, 744 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: based on what you just laid out, do I have 745 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: to pick it two in a three? Well, I just 746 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: like to know the order, because that's how it sounded 747 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: to me. You were selling yourself on sub I get that, 748 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: But then you said there's more upside to Nelson, and 749 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: I think I might pick I think I might pick 750 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: Barkley over now, So it's I didn't get that far. 751 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: I know. Curious, Yeah, I know Chubb's my number one. 752 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: About that fair enough? I don't have to write the 753 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: other two guys two or three. But by the way, 754 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm fine with any one of those three guys, which 755 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: is why I still think if you can somehow trade 756 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: down to five or six, which right away I don't 757 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: think is realistic. Right now, I don't think that's going 758 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: to happen. I don't think there's a market for those 759 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: teams to move up unless the Bills can somehow get 760 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: the six or fifth pick and then make a second. 761 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: I'm not betting on that. Um. That's why I would 762 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: love to be at five or six, because you get 763 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: one of those three guys, which I used to think 764 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: are the best prospects in the draft, and and you 765 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 1: get even one or two extra picks. Cool. Yeah, I'm 766 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: getting a premium player and I'm getting extra Where do 767 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: I sign up? Heck, I take one pick if you 768 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: get like if the Browns called you at four and said, 769 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: I'll give you one of my two picks at the 770 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: top of the second round to go from two to four. 771 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: I try to negotiate for more. But if my clock 772 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: on my draft picks a minute thirty seconds and I 773 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: can move down just two spots and get an extra 774 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: you know, get the thirty second or get the thirty 775 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: third or thirty pick in the draft. Don't tell they've gentlemen, 776 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: or the or the Browns this I do that. I 777 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: just from Cleveland's perspective. I don't see why they would 778 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: make that deal. But I get it. You're looking at 779 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: you more hypothetical personally, Denver, with John always saying that 780 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: he's more than happy to trade that pick, I don't 781 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,439 Speaker 1: see them having the urgency to move off and then 782 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,919 Speaker 1: Indianapolis already moved down and then all of a sudden 783 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: they're gonna want to move back up. No, they they 784 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: probably want to move down again at anything. So once again, 785 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: Buffalo to me is the most realistic. But Buffalo has 786 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: to get higher, to me, to make it a little 787 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: bit more appealing to the Giant. And they're the only 788 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: team with the draft capital in my opinion that to 789 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 1: make a trade down realistic, Buffalo has to be involved 790 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: because and two twos and two threes, they have six 791 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: picks in the first three rounds. But you know what, 792 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: here's the other thing that people are not looking at it. 793 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,439 Speaker 1: If you're Buffalo, there's a lot of value in keeping 794 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 1: those picks and help and rebuild your team or retool 795 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: your team. Excuse me, because the Bills, but they still 796 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 1: have plenty of areas improvement. They got Richie Incognito said, 797 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: you know, he's hanging it up, so they need to 798 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: address their offensive line. If I'm Buffalo, I would use 799 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: those picks, and you know you could help yourself in 800 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: that department. I would not be so quick. I understand, ay, 801 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,879 Speaker 1: J mccaron may not be the answer. I'm a little 802 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: bit higher on him than most people. That's fine, Yeah, 803 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: but what if you can get Lamar Jackson at twelve? Well, 804 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,399 Speaker 1: then why move up then? Which is why I said, 805 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if that trade offer is gonna come. 806 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: It not that to me makes one, don't you because 807 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: everybody's saying, oh, well, you know, make Karon's not the answer. Fine, 808 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: but Buffalo could very well, to your point, grab a 809 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: quarterback without even moving and then they have some competition. 810 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: And this even rumors that Josh rose in my fall 811 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: out on the top ten. When if that happens, that's 812 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 1: more of a reason why if I'm Buffalo and I'm 813 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: branded being their general management, I'm just waiting and watching 814 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: the draft. I have no urgency to move up well 815 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: before the draft because who knows, you may get a 816 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: gift fall to you and then you still able to 817 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: keep all of your picks. It all depends how you 818 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: write the quarterbacks. Like if you don't think Lamar Jackson's 819 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: that big of a drop off from Josh Rosen and 820 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,800 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen, heck, maybe think Lamore Jackson's 821 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: better than Josh Allen. I don't know the answer to 822 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: that question, but I think that's realistic. Then you sit there, 823 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: which is why I think fans that say you, if 824 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: you don't pick a quarterback, you have to trade down 825 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: no matter what. There might not be a good trade 826 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,280 Speaker 1: down option that is possible. You need to to tangle here, folks, 827 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,919 Speaker 1: there's no guarantee of it. Well, and that's an important note. 828 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: It's not as if the Giant's right to they hit 829 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: a button and they're like, well, you know, we think 830 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: we gave more value if you moved down. Yet find 831 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 1: somebody to trade with, though that's the trick, not just 832 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,399 Speaker 1: gonna grow on trees where somebody automatically is gonna knock 833 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,959 Speaker 1: on your door. That I think makes it a little 834 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,800 Speaker 1: bit more challenging than people make the dialogue out to be. 835 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 1: But I think all the options I laid out are 836 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: the options that make sense. Yeah, I don't think anybody, 837 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: I think anything would disagree that those three are the 838 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 1: most attractive options if you don't go to the route 839 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: of a quarter those three trade down quarterback though, though 840 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: those are your those are your five options, and Mike 841 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,919 Speaker 1: specific quarterbacks would be Donald Mayfield and Rosen personally. Again, 842 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: the Giants front office might think differently, but I think 843 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: any of those things out there. I think there are 844 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: logical things that makes sense and and what And I 845 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: used to put this on Twitter last time. I'm not 846 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: sure if you saw it. And I think it's a 847 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: shame that big decisions like this and we see it 848 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 1: in all sports fans get into camps and frankly, it's 849 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 1: like this in everything in the world, now, politics, the 850 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: whole nine yards. It's either you do the thing I 851 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: want you to do, your moron, or you're stupid. It's like, 852 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 1: you know you have the If you don't pick Barkley, 853 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna quit their morons. If you don't pick a quarterback. Oh, 854 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: they're so stupid. How could you do that? What do 855 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: you mean you didn't trade down? Idiots? Guys, there's not 856 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 1: just one good option here. I don't care what camp 857 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: you're in, all right, I'm not I'm an analytical guy. 858 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: I not completely, but I get it. I understand why 859 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: you would be hesitant raft of running back unto I 860 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: get it. But if you use Barkley as a weapon 861 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: and not just a runner, and you utilize them properly 862 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: in the passing game, I think he can impact you 863 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 1: enough to make that pick. Make a modicum of sense 864 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,319 Speaker 1: I do. I honestly think there's a way to do 865 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: it now if you just use him as a pounded 866 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: running back and you're not taking advantage of his passing seals, 867 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: I think it was a mistake, But I know Pat Charmer. 868 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 1: He made the point at the combine how important is 869 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: for his running back to be able to catch the football. 870 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,760 Speaker 1: So I have confidence that if they draft Sae Kwon Barkley, 871 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: they will be able to to utilize his offense to 872 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 1: the point where it will have a huge positive impact 873 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 1: on the team, even if that might not be my 874 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: personal top choice on what they could do. Congratulations on 875 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 1: joining Twitter the other day. Based on what you said, 876 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you just realize that that's how the court 877 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 1: of public opinion rea to a certain things. Congratulations on 878 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,839 Speaker 1: joining social media. I fight the impossible battle. Well, good 879 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: luck with fighting the impossible battle. I pat you on 880 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,360 Speaker 1: the back for that. I mean, that is a valued effort. 881 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: The one thing, though, I will add, listen, when you 882 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: look at the running back position, there's examples john across 883 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 1: the board, and I've laid this out multiple times where 884 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: I could say it was a nice job by the 885 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,280 Speaker 1: team taking a running back in the top five, for example, 886 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,720 Speaker 1: Ezekiel Eli and Leonard four Net even though those sample 887 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: sizes and fairness are still very small. And then I 888 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 1: could look at the Kansas City Chiefs who got Korean 889 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: Hunt in the third round, and you know that worked 890 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,320 Speaker 1: out so far well for them. To remember the Jaguars 891 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 1: at that four Nette went three and all last year. 892 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: So how much of that was for Net? How much 893 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 1: was it the way they're running their team? So you know, 894 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: and with the Cowboys be better off of having drafted 895 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey instead of Ezekiel Elliott, maybe you can make 896 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,879 Speaker 1: that argument with issues on defense. And then also using 897 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: Pat Sherman example, he just came from a team that 898 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 1: went out and signed Latavia's Murray and free agency, and 899 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 1: he was a low pick or he may have been 900 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 1: undrafted to be honest with you. And Jerick McKinnon, who 901 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: also wasn't a top end. Those are two running backs 902 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 1: where they draft Alvin Cook top around two, where the 903 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 1: Giants picked this year top around, top around too and 904 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 1: Cook was on paste to have a great year. He 905 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: went down with a similarly deep running back class as 906 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,719 Speaker 1: he had last year. Yeah, four five, one three I 907 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: told you to talk a long time. I didn't make 908 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 1: it up. I was online, was not exaggerating at all. 909 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: I was here to experience it firsthand. I can attest 910 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 1: that I warn't you ahead of time. Let's go to 911 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,319 Speaker 1: Tim and New Jersey. He's up next, ight, Tim? Hi? 912 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: What are you doing? What's up to it? Yes? Although 913 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:38,800 Speaker 1: Giants food draft in the second round, draft James Stings 914 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: out of Iowa in the second round, draft Bridie Smith 915 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,920 Speaker 1: out of Auburn in the third round, signed by to 916 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,319 Speaker 1: a three year contract, and cade Eric Flowers to The 917 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: Times for Jack Conklin and the Twain nineteen fifth. Okay, Tim, 918 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 1: thanks for the call. You started off okay I was 919 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 1: gonna say, and then we went you did all right. 920 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 1: I don't think James Daniels will be there at the 921 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:04,800 Speaker 1: top of the second round at the top of the 922 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,760 Speaker 1: second round, but I don't think it's impossible that it happens. 923 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 1: I'd be very surprised. I think um Billy Price out 924 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: of Ohiouse State is a more realistic spot for him, 925 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 1: And say, Kwan Barkley, that's fine. Uh, First of all, 926 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,399 Speaker 1: you we've talked about, why no dead. I'm not gonna 927 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,839 Speaker 1: get into it again. But the three year deal. Wait 928 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 1: forget that. I'm getting there. Come on there, Eric Flowers 929 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: for Jack Conklin, really, come on, come on. I love 930 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,400 Speaker 1: you and and and you're a good call. You've been 931 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 1: on a lot, you guys, good questions. You might not 932 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:40,839 Speaker 1: even get just the fifth round pick. Okay, yeah, no, 933 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 1: just that their contracts. Coglin is not you know what, 934 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not even gonna do it. I'm not even 935 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 1: gonna I tell you. If the Giants get all that accomplished, 936 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,400 Speaker 1: that is a hell of a transaction at hell of 937 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: a draft. I'll tell you that they've get him out 938 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:57,759 Speaker 1: a busy weekend. Let me tell you. Let's go to 939 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,120 Speaker 1: phill in North Carolina. He's up next. Hey Phil, what's 940 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,879 Speaker 1: going on? Hey? Can you hear me loud and clear? Phil? 941 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 1: Go ahead? All right, good good, Okay. Uh, I'm gonna 942 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,879 Speaker 1: give you some names here and you tell me what 943 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,839 Speaker 1: the answer is. Okay, kind of like reverse Jeopardy. So 944 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 1: here here it goes. Okay, Alex Wester, Tucker, Frederickson, Rock, 945 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:25,440 Speaker 1: Rocky Thompson, uh Ron Dane, um Tymraon Wheatley and Brown. Okay, 946 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 1: that's one group. What are other group. What are running 947 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,440 Speaker 1: backs that were picked high that didn't work out? The 948 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 1: other the other Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, the 949 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:42,800 Speaker 1: other group is Ron Johnson, Okay, Joe Morris, uh, Chicky 950 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: Barber and Granted Jacobs and Mark Brass. What are non 951 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,000 Speaker 1: first round pick running backs that turned out to be 952 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,799 Speaker 1: really good players and helped you win super Bowls? Yeah? Well, 953 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 1: it just goes to show you it's in an exact 954 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,319 Speaker 1: sciences exactly and you know what they'll feel your right. 955 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: And I should have brought this up in my spield. 956 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,120 Speaker 1: I had so many points I missed this one. You 957 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: can running backs more than any other position. And Bill 958 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: Barnwell had this study where he went through the last 959 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,719 Speaker 1: I think fourteen or fifteen drafts or maybe even twenty, 960 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,919 Speaker 1: and he looked at who the first running back picked 961 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,239 Speaker 1: was in each draft, and less than fifty percent of 962 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,799 Speaker 1: the time was the first running back picked in those 963 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 1: drafts the best running back picked in those drafts. So 964 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: it goes to your point that you can find running 965 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,719 Speaker 1: backs later that are better than the guys that go early, 966 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,799 Speaker 1: no question. And the reason why I think those percentages 967 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 1: play out that way, John, is because the running back 968 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 1: is so dependent on the other factors around them. It's 969 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 1: a product of his surroundings rather than him being the 970 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 1: surroundings being a product of the running back. It's the environment. 971 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 1: So you have to take that. We're with you, Okay, 972 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,759 Speaker 1: but but it's yeah, that's the global answer. It's like, 973 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 1: the specific answer is our history, our history of picking 974 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,799 Speaker 1: running backs. And so Mike, obviously I'm gonna side with 975 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,800 Speaker 1: John that undernose. Well, it's not underno. But I really 976 00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 1: don't want them to pick number two Barkley. I really don't. 977 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,760 Speaker 1: I just it's the value is not there. Trade down 978 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: number one or pick up. That's it. That's the only 979 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,759 Speaker 1: two options that are successful for me. And I've been 980 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 1: around this franchise long enough. You can tell by the names. 981 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,240 Speaker 1: I kind of a found and and been been uh 982 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,919 Speaker 1: you know, had the highs and the many loads. Okay, 983 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:28,000 Speaker 1: And I know Dave Gettlman is not listening to me. Yeah, 984 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,399 Speaker 1: but but that's my plea today. Well, so here's the question. 985 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,560 Speaker 1: Would you be really upset if they picked quent Nelson? 986 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: I would be I would be less upset. I actually 987 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,400 Speaker 1: would be less upset because he could I am. I 988 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 1: agree with Dave Gunman about the gold jacket. You got 989 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,120 Speaker 1: a gold jacket there. Okay, I can live with that, 990 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 1: but I hope you can live with that. Yeah, just no. 991 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,680 Speaker 1: And and I want to argue with, you know, plea 992 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,279 Speaker 1: with Dave, I don't think his first round pick last 993 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,319 Speaker 1: year was worth the first round. McCaffrey, Yeah, I think 994 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,160 Speaker 1: he's a nice player. But who would you rather I 995 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,440 Speaker 1: have Hunter McCaffey. You know. So, here's the funny thing 996 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 1: about McCaffrey. I think he's a band mixed with Kim 997 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 1: Newton and Kenny is one of these weird quarterbacks. He's 998 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: more accurate throwing down the field than he is throwing short. 999 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,279 Speaker 1: And I think I don't I think you almost used 1000 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 1: McCaffrey as much as a slot receiver as you do 1001 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 1: is using him as a running back. It is kind 1002 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,319 Speaker 1: of like a cross between the two. I think if 1003 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,480 Speaker 1: you put McCaffrey in the right system and you use 1004 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 1: them right with the right quarterback, like if you played 1005 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,040 Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey with you Brees, I think he could be 1006 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,719 Speaker 1: better than Alvin Kamara was last year in terms of 1007 00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 1: being impactful with the Saints. But I get your point overall, Yes, 1008 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,400 Speaker 1: I agree with that, And which leads me to my 1009 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,239 Speaker 1: my kind of my growing away state me here is 1010 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,880 Speaker 1: that after we're finished with the draft, whatever would like 1011 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,880 Speaker 1: you to do is hold people to see all the 1012 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,799 Speaker 1: announcers and and you guys do a great job. Who 1013 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,319 Speaker 1: do people side with kind of informal polls. So I'm 1014 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 1: gonna give you my my ranking and no offense to anybody. 1015 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,080 Speaker 1: And my percentage is what I tend to agree with people. 1016 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 1: So just to lead off line, it's a tie between 1017 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 1: Jeff and and John. I tend to agree with you 1018 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 1: guys about at a time. Lance is not far off 1019 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: though Lance is probably around and and I hope Paul 1020 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,960 Speaker 1: doesn't get upset. I'm around six. I'm about sixty percent 1021 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:32,880 Speaker 1: with Paul, and uh, I'm about thinking and and and uh, 1022 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,279 Speaker 1: you know, David of course is great and and uh 1023 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,839 Speaker 1: and when when Russ was on, I was probably around run. 1024 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,200 Speaker 1: So no offense for us, but but but it definitely 1025 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 1: dropped off after after after Lance and and uh, you know, 1026 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,400 Speaker 1: there was a cluster up there and then there was 1027 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,520 Speaker 1: a big gap. But but all you guys did a 1028 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 1: great job, and and and the and the beauty of 1029 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 1: it is that you get different to the opinion even 1030 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,480 Speaker 1: though you don't agree with it. So so you know, 1031 00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,520 Speaker 1: kudos to Paul and Rush and all cast you felt 1032 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,920 Speaker 1: trust me. But Paul knows more about the giants, and 1033 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,720 Speaker 1: he's been around longer than Lance and I put together. 1034 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,600 Speaker 1: He knows his stuff. And look, we disagree sometimes sometimes 1035 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,759 Speaker 1: I'm right, sometimes he's right. Sometimes neither of us are right, 1036 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 1: and we're all wrong. So we all have different opinions 1037 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,840 Speaker 1: to come from different perspectives, and the beauty is that 1038 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,960 Speaker 1: we can actually debate those opinions in a calm, logical 1039 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 1: way and not point fingers at each other and try 1040 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,680 Speaker 1: to you know, send Twitter as long as Paul's not 1041 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,360 Speaker 1: shaking your body in the midst of having that conversation, 1042 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,040 Speaker 1: which I have been on the wrong side of I 1043 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,520 Speaker 1: could attest to over the last few weeks. So it 1044 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,560 Speaker 1: depends on the circumstances, John, but I agree with your point. 1045 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,480 Speaker 1: I just wanted to bring up one thing with McCaffrey. 1046 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,960 Speaker 1: First of all, we're just talking about one season, so 1047 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,880 Speaker 1: I'm very Mary came on the second half of the 1048 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,799 Speaker 1: year to running the football a little bit. We did. 1049 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,880 Speaker 1: And also, I mean I just brought up the Panthers 1050 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,920 Speaker 1: numbers just to confirm what I initially thought. McCaffrey led 1051 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,120 Speaker 1: the team in receptions this season too. What do you bati? 1052 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,279 Speaker 1: He had eight? So I mean I now, granted they 1053 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,320 Speaker 1: traded Kelvin Benjamin, personnel changed, I get that. Here was 1054 00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,000 Speaker 1: my problem. Those kid utilize him really for six fifty yards, 1055 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,319 Speaker 1: and I think that's where they underutilize them. I think 1056 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,360 Speaker 1: they utilize them more as a dump off back instead 1057 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,040 Speaker 1: of putting him into routes down the field. If you 1058 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,640 Speaker 1: watch him at Stanford, he ran routes like wide receiver. 1059 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,239 Speaker 1: So I think if you used him more, you know, 1060 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,319 Speaker 1: when he comes out of the backfield instead of you know, 1061 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,400 Speaker 1: taking a linebacker into the flat, take him up the field, 1062 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,839 Speaker 1: catch the ball in motion. And I think that's where 1063 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,640 Speaker 1: I think the Panthers use him a little bit better. Well, 1064 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,120 Speaker 1: I will tell you this the first thing that's interesting 1065 00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,000 Speaker 1: that you brought that up. I'm sure some people are 1066 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,520 Speaker 1: gonna point out, well, Mike Shula was with the Panthers 1067 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,720 Speaker 1: offense last year, and Mike Shula is here with the Giants, 1068 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,200 Speaker 1: not trying to create some controversy. But one, one person 1069 00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:36,759 Speaker 1: out there I know is going to write that to us. 1070 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,040 Speaker 1: Number two North. Turner is the new offensive coordinator John 1071 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,080 Speaker 1: and remember he's worked with a lot of good running 1072 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,320 Speaker 1: backs and has made them productive. And it's Smith is 1073 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,160 Speaker 1: one guy that comes to mind. But I'll even give 1074 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,160 Speaker 1: you somebody that's not Hall of Famer. He was with 1075 00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 1: Lamont Jordan's people, forget with the Raiders. How do I 1076 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,480 Speaker 1: know this because Lamont Jordan was on my fantasy to 1077 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:59,560 Speaker 1: say that was very productive. So and and we're looking 1078 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,600 Speaker 1: at it from a statistical standpoint anyway, That's why I 1079 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,279 Speaker 1: think it's relevant. So I'm very intrigued to see what 1080 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,640 Speaker 1: Norv Turner does Christian McCaffrey based on how he's utilized 1081 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 1: running guys. And we'll see if they use McCaffrey Moore 1082 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,319 Speaker 1: in the running game too. With Jonathan Stewart not there, 1083 00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:16,120 Speaker 1: who had almost two of your carriston last year, expans No, absolutely, 1084 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,040 Speaker 1: That's why you gotta look at how personnel changes. Let's 1085 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,719 Speaker 1: go to Roy in South Carolina. He's up, Hi, Roy, 1086 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,520 Speaker 1: how are you hey? Guys? First of all, thanks for 1087 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,640 Speaker 1: taking my call. Secondly, what an amazing a couple of 1088 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:33,000 Speaker 1: weeks you guys did with interviewing so many people with 1089 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,400 Speaker 1: so much knowledge. It was information overload. But this was 1090 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,319 Speaker 1: the first year that I really followed the draft. Um, 1091 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,239 Speaker 1: I'm b b K and just really listening to the 1092 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,799 Speaker 1: opinions and it was just remarkable. Thank you. I just 1093 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,319 Speaker 1: got to say, as a fan, thank you, thank you 1094 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,759 Speaker 1: for following it, and you're welcome. Thank you and thank 1095 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,440 Speaker 1: you for listening. Appreciate it. It was awesome. So I 1096 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:56,880 Speaker 1: got a couple of comments. You know. One of the 1097 00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,640 Speaker 1: things that I that struck me about Gentleman is he 1098 00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:07,200 Speaker 1: said it big men win games. And you know, so obviously, 1099 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,200 Speaker 1: whatever they're gonna do in the draft, you know, everyone's 1100 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,080 Speaker 1: got an opinion. My opinion is I think Gettleman and 1101 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,080 Speaker 1: Shermer and everybody in the office they know what they're doing. 1102 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,440 Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna leave it up to them. I'm 1103 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:22,200 Speaker 1: with you on that. Yeah. So um. Secondly, you know, 1104 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,960 Speaker 1: one of the things that I remember Gettleman saying is 1105 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:29,160 Speaker 1: that depth we've got to have. He did say that, 1106 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,920 Speaker 1: and you know, and because we lost Jpp, we lost Beckham, 1107 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,920 Speaker 1: we our death was so thin last year that you know, 1108 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:43,360 Speaker 1: I wrote that's we struggled. The old line struggled. Everybody struggled. 1109 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,160 Speaker 1: I should say our team struggled because we had no depth. 1110 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,680 Speaker 1: So whatever they're gonna do in the draft, I think 1111 00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,759 Speaker 1: that's the two things they're gonna look at is they're 1112 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,480 Speaker 1: definitely gonna put big guys in there and have half depth. 1113 00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,279 Speaker 1: The other the other thing that he added, Roy before 1114 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,040 Speaker 1: we let you continue, as he said you could never 1115 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,280 Speaker 1: have too many good players in one position, which also 1116 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,120 Speaker 1: is connected to your point about depth. Yeah. Absolutely, And 1117 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,520 Speaker 1: I think that, um uh, you know, I think that 1118 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,799 Speaker 1: I'm a big I love I love Paul. I'll tell 1119 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,239 Speaker 1: you he's he's I like the fact, you know he's 1120 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,480 Speaker 1: a hog molly lover. I am too, because I think 1121 00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,880 Speaker 1: about the way we won games. We won super Bowls, 1122 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,600 Speaker 1: we won games, and this is yes, I will agree 1123 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,520 Speaker 1: with both of you. This is a passive least. But 1124 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,520 Speaker 1: the enemy is the clock and if you cannot run 1125 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,799 Speaker 1: the time down. You know, I remember watching so many 1126 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,319 Speaker 1: games in the last several years. Is that we had, 1127 00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,399 Speaker 1: you know, we had three minutes on the clock and 1128 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,120 Speaker 1: then we returned the ball over with a minute and 1129 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,799 Speaker 1: a half left. The opponents had two time outs and 1130 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,200 Speaker 1: they crushed up. My question, but my Roy, my question 1131 00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,520 Speaker 1: for you is that do you have to use a 1132 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,080 Speaker 1: first round pick to solve the four minute offense problem. 1133 00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,520 Speaker 1: And to me, you can find exactly you can find 1134 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,520 Speaker 1: a guy that can do that around two or three. Absolutely, 1135 00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,279 Speaker 1: and I and so I know that that's one of 1136 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,279 Speaker 1: the things that I hope that we look at in 1137 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,920 Speaker 1: the draft and in you know, uh, before before camp, 1138 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,480 Speaker 1: training camp, is that we look at players who are 1139 00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,600 Speaker 1: going to give us that ability for the Because Eli 1140 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,600 Speaker 1: is a master with the four minute clock. Well, now 1141 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,880 Speaker 1: let me back that up. He's a master in the 1142 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:37,080 Speaker 1: two minutes two minute drill. Ye you you, I mean 1143 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,720 Speaker 1: he can he can flat kill it in two minutes. 1144 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,520 Speaker 1: But when we start turning the ball over with with 1145 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,560 Speaker 1: a minute and fifteen seconds and they just kill us. 1146 00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,920 Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that we will solve that. And no, 1147 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,080 Speaker 1: we don't have to give up to the second pick 1148 00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,240 Speaker 1: for that. And you know, the other thing that concerned 1149 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,080 Speaker 1: me is I noticed that I realized that this is 1150 00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:01,600 Speaker 1: voluntary camp. But we have a new coach, we have 1151 00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,960 Speaker 1: a new GM, we have a new scheme, we have 1152 00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:08,640 Speaker 1: new um personnel, we have new players. And the thing 1153 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,400 Speaker 1: that the really thing that concerns me is that we 1154 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,400 Speaker 1: have players who were there last year who are not 1155 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,120 Speaker 1: here now, and I have to say, Eric Flowers, where 1156 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,880 Speaker 1: are you? And I understand it's it's and I know 1157 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:27,920 Speaker 1: that I know it's just shirts and underwear, and but camaraderie, 1158 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,880 Speaker 1: um of getting to know each other reading the playbook. 1159 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,440 Speaker 1: Hey did you see this play? Let me look at 1160 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,680 Speaker 1: this play. I didn't realize that the you know, that 1161 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,280 Speaker 1: kind of information that they can get that they pass 1162 00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,960 Speaker 1: along each other. That's what part of the team is. 1163 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:50,520 Speaker 1: It's it's it's bouncing like just like you you um, 1164 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,279 Speaker 1: you two guys and Pauli and and Jeff, how you 1165 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,480 Speaker 1: guys all bounce off of each other. That's what this 1166 00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,640 Speaker 1: campus for. It's it's to kind of get to know 1167 00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,680 Speaker 1: each other, trying to go over the playbook, kind of 1168 00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,160 Speaker 1: go over some schemes, um and and so it really 1169 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,040 Speaker 1: it really bothers me that here you are a veteran. 1170 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,600 Speaker 1: You are you are you are You're on the team 1171 00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,399 Speaker 1: right now. You're on the team. Where are you? Roy? 1172 00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,200 Speaker 1: I appreciate the call, Thank you man that was here. 1173 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:23,200 Speaker 1: Odell was here because he you know, and I see 1174 00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,680 Speaker 1: the people that are here, they want to know, they 1175 00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,960 Speaker 1: want to learn, they want to win. Boy, where with you? 1176 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:30,680 Speaker 1: Thanks A lot for the call, buddy, and look, I 1177 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,080 Speaker 1: think the coaching staff and Pat Schremer said it, it it 1178 00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,480 Speaker 1: would befer if everybody's here. He thinks it's really important 1179 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,440 Speaker 1: to get to learn everything. And look, Flowers isn't just 1180 00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,240 Speaker 1: learning a new playbook lance, He's learning a new position. Yeah, 1181 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,360 Speaker 1: in terms of going back to where he was in 1182 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,640 Speaker 1: college at the beginning of his career and competing at 1183 00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,560 Speaker 1: that position, also not being handed and guaranteed a starting 1184 00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,680 Speaker 1: which he's not. Then they made that point very clear 1185 00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,640 Speaker 1: that he'll be He'll be given the opportunity to start 1186 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,440 Speaker 1: a right tackle, was what he was told when they 1187 00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,279 Speaker 1: signed Nate Soldier. Pat Shermer's exact line was, I know 1188 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,759 Speaker 1: it's voluntary, but I find it that's it's necessary. That 1189 00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,279 Speaker 1: was pre interesting in terms of how he laid it out, 1190 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,759 Speaker 1: and he was asked again about it earlier today, and 1191 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,759 Speaker 1: he was actually asked whether or not he's been in 1192 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,239 Speaker 1: communication with him, as it is it easy to help 1193 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,640 Speaker 1: teach a player even though the players not here, and 1194 00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,720 Speaker 1: they have said they've had some communication with Eric Flowers, 1195 00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,000 Speaker 1: but there's only so much he had done on the telephone. Clearly, Matt, 1196 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave Lenn for last. He's gonna be our 1197 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,040 Speaker 1: cleanup pitter today. So let's go to Nick and Montclair 1198 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,680 Speaker 1: and then we'll get to lend to close out the show. 1199 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,680 Speaker 1: What's up Nick? Hey, guys, love the show. Thank you. 1200 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,799 Speaker 1: I got a two quick points I'm both off the air. 1201 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:38,000 Speaker 1: First one, UM on Barkley Reggie Bush two, great player, 1202 00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,520 Speaker 1: but not Hall of Fame player. Um. I think he's 1203 00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:44,680 Speaker 1: probably because of his heightweight, speed. He's a bigger back, 1204 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,200 Speaker 1: so I think he can probably be a better running 1205 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,960 Speaker 1: back than Reggie Bush. And I think that at least 1206 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,000 Speaker 1: I would hope that Barkley could have better health than 1207 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,080 Speaker 1: Reggie Bush. I mean, to me, to your point, Nick, 1208 00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,200 Speaker 1: it's not that Reggie Bush wasn't a talented player. He 1209 00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,279 Speaker 1: couldn't stay on the field. I mean, that's what to 1210 00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,640 Speaker 1: me held re g Bush back, and yes, he wasn't 1211 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,680 Speaker 1: a guy that you're going to give twenty five carries to. 1212 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,600 Speaker 1: I don't think any team envisioned that personally. I think 1213 00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,520 Speaker 1: they looked at him as a jack of all trades 1214 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,840 Speaker 1: type of running back. But when you look back at 1215 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,960 Speaker 1: Reggie Bush's career, to me, it's the fact that never 1216 00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,839 Speaker 1: could stay on the field. But Nick, I will say this, 1217 00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,800 Speaker 1: if you want to look at the worst case scenario 1218 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,080 Speaker 1: for Sa Kwon Barkley, I think the worst case scenario 1219 00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,720 Speaker 1: for Sa Kwon Barkley, if everything goes wrong, would be 1220 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,800 Speaker 1: Reggie Bush. And that's not a bad worst case scenario 1221 00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,960 Speaker 1: because Bush had a similar skill set. Correct, So that's fair. Yeah. Um. 1222 00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,479 Speaker 1: And then the second issue is Davis Webb. I didn't 1223 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,280 Speaker 1: want them to draft a quarterback last year, but assuming 1224 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:41,560 Speaker 1: Eli plays out his full contract, I think they need 1225 00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,000 Speaker 1: to go quarterback this year because Davids we only have 1226 00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,840 Speaker 1: been on a contract for one year, the starter. There's 1227 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,760 Speaker 1: no fifth yer option hit to pay him right away 1228 00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,200 Speaker 1: where you could draft it to be this year. You 1229 00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,800 Speaker 1: have them for two years and then you get the 1230 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,080 Speaker 1: fifth yeer option for you Well, remember there there is 1231 00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,360 Speaker 1: no fifth year option for Webs. He's a third round pill. 1232 00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,160 Speaker 1: That's what he said. I'm sorry, Yeah, I'm sorry, I misunderstood. Well, 1233 00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,240 Speaker 1: what I'll what I'll add to that, though, Nick, is 1234 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:05,960 Speaker 1: I I get it, you know, all of a sudden, 1235 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,520 Speaker 1: now you gotta pay it. But let's face it, even 1236 00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,800 Speaker 1: if David's Webb is the starter for one year, I 1237 00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,200 Speaker 1: highly doubt that the market is going to dictate where 1238 00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:13,960 Speaker 1: he's gonna get the type of money of some of 1239 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,840 Speaker 1: these other veterans that we see getting that. So remember 1240 00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,760 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo started six games and he got paid. That 1241 00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,600 Speaker 1: is a great point. That's a great point, and that 1242 00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,600 Speaker 1: would be a counter to what I just said. I'm 1243 00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,520 Speaker 1: not gonna disagree with you, but it all depends how 1244 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,360 Speaker 1: well he plays when he finally does start, right, that's 1245 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,520 Speaker 1: going to be Jimmy Garoppolo also to me coming out 1246 00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,240 Speaker 1: of college and who he was coached by and where 1247 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:39,480 Speaker 1: he went to. I think, yeah, but I wouldn't be 1248 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:43,720 Speaker 1: overly worried Jimmy Nick and appreciate the phone call. It's 1249 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,840 Speaker 1: not enough to look at Davis Webb's contract, the Elie 1250 00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,000 Speaker 1: Manny's contract and say we need a quarterback. That's not 1251 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,560 Speaker 1: strong enough. Rationale, John, you can't push yourself in that 1252 00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,280 Speaker 1: direction simply because you're worried about the economics and how 1253 00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:56,880 Speaker 1: they're gonna play out a year or two down the road. 1254 00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,320 Speaker 1: Nothing bothers me more lance when somebody says you have 1255 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,920 Speaker 1: to take some buddy, you don't have to do anything. 1256 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,680 Speaker 1: You don't have to do. We have to take a 1257 00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,120 Speaker 1: phone call though, coming up here, I guess we do. Okay, 1258 00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,080 Speaker 1: letting go on the a barrel of Land. You're you're 1259 00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,600 Speaker 1: my final caller before the draft starts, and I'm honored. 1260 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:16,400 Speaker 1: What's up, buddy, Hey Lance, I heard you. I'm just 1261 00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,120 Speaker 1: lighting the mood Land. Don't read it to it. Listen 1262 00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,880 Speaker 1: to be honest with you. The only reason I'm taking 1263 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:32,760 Speaker 1: Charlie questions. You put you, You put Beckham Barkley and 1264 00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,919 Speaker 1: a plug in guard on the field, and we're five 1265 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:41,560 Speaker 1: wins better. So I want Barkley. But I'm worried about 1266 00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,800 Speaker 1: that second picturehn you alluded to it. I think when 1267 00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:46,840 Speaker 1: we get out around pick twenty five, I think Wind 1268 00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:48,600 Speaker 1: is going to be gone. I think he's probably gonna 1269 00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:55,040 Speaker 1: go late teens, maybe as late ast twenty UM. I 1270 00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,400 Speaker 1: don't think her Nandez is going to be there. It'll 1271 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,680 Speaker 1: be too much. You know, the size. People are going 1272 01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,560 Speaker 1: to be enamored with that. Plus he's a good player, 1273 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,680 Speaker 1: no question about that. I think there's going to be 1274 01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,520 Speaker 1: a run on interior offensive lineman. I think you'll have 1275 01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,080 Speaker 1: a choice let of Billy Price or Frank Rag Now 1276 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:15,760 Speaker 1: if you want to guard or a center, I think 1277 01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,840 Speaker 1: those will be the two guys that I'm pretty sure 1278 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:19,960 Speaker 1: we'll be on the board for you at thirty four, 1279 01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,080 Speaker 1: and I think those will be the guys you choose from. 1280 01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:23,640 Speaker 1: But I think those are two very good players. So 1281 01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,680 Speaker 1: I think you'll pole take those are two very good players. 1282 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,080 Speaker 1: But I think that's a I think you know the one, 1283 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,040 Speaker 1: the one unit we've been talking about all season, I 1284 01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,120 Speaker 1: mean from January second on is we've got to improve 1285 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,600 Speaker 1: the offensive line. We'll make some strides. We made some strides. 1286 01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,720 Speaker 1: We've got a little setback with Flowers here and not 1287 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:44,520 Speaker 1: sure what this all means, what's going to happen, et cetera. Um, 1288 01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,760 Speaker 1: but we got we need an offensive lineman out of 1289 01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:52,560 Speaker 1: these first two picks. And uh, but I really want Barklay. Now, 1290 01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,320 Speaker 1: what do I think they're gonna do. I think they're 1291 01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,440 Speaker 1: gonna pick Rose and John. I think they're gonna pick Barkley, 1292 01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,840 Speaker 1: lend and and I don't know what they're going to do. 1293 01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,240 Speaker 1: But if you said, John, tell me what you think 1294 01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,160 Speaker 1: the Giants will do at number two? Right now, my guests, 1295 01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,800 Speaker 1: And it's an educated guest, but I don't know anything. 1296 01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,440 Speaker 1: I think it would be. I would if I had 1297 01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,320 Speaker 1: put my life in the line, I'd say, se, why 1298 01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,680 Speaker 1: do you say Rosen? Why do you think they're gonna 1299 01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,720 Speaker 1: pick Rosen? I just well, I just think he's the 1300 01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:27,560 Speaker 1: He's the easier transition the ELI. And if you're sitting there, 1301 01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,520 Speaker 1: you know, I don't even want to talk about it, 1302 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:35,200 Speaker 1: But if we're sitting there, two and six, one and 1303 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:42,480 Speaker 1: seven at the break, the easiest transition amongst these four 1304 01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:46,880 Speaker 1: guys is Rosen. And I think the conventional wisdom of 1305 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:56,120 Speaker 1: the NFL, Yeah, you can't bypass the quarterback, if you 1306 01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,680 Speaker 1: believe it. Again, I believe they brought into that. I'm 1307 01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,000 Speaker 1: not against it, believe I mean these guys no more 1308 01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,360 Speaker 1: than I do. But I think that's the conventional wisdom. 1309 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,640 Speaker 1: And I think they're gonna go quarterback, and I think 1310 01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna be Rosen. I think it's the easiest transition. 1311 01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,880 Speaker 1: Beautiful mechanics. That ball comes out of his hands, so easy, guys, 1312 01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, it's a beautiful thing. The rotation 1313 01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:21,000 Speaker 1: on the ball. It'll cut through that wind the Giants stadium, um, 1314 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,919 Speaker 1: and I'll see this. I just think I think that's 1315 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:25,720 Speaker 1: where they're going. I think they're gonna go with Rosen, 1316 01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,400 Speaker 1: and I'll say this. I want Barkley. I want Barkley 1317 01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,480 Speaker 1: in a plug in guard real quick. I'll say this 1318 01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,160 Speaker 1: real fast. I think maybe may feel a little bit 1319 01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,880 Speaker 1: higher on my board than Rosen. But in my head, 1320 01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,320 Speaker 1: if I try to picture both guys in the Giants uniform, 1321 01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:44,640 Speaker 1: Rosen feels right. Mayfield seems weird, you know what I mean. 1322 01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:50,160 Speaker 1: I'm not sure why they just do. Yeah, I think, 1323 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,760 Speaker 1: I think, but hey, give me, give me Barkley. And 1324 01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,240 Speaker 1: oh I'm keeping my fingers across Daniels. I'm not sure 1325 01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,320 Speaker 1: he's gonna be there. I think he's probably twenty eight 1326 01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,880 Speaker 1: or twenty nine, somewhere in that range. But you know, 1327 01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:04,720 Speaker 1: we we still got to we gotta do some work 1328 01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,960 Speaker 1: on non offensive line. I mean, whatever we guess going 1329 01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,120 Speaker 1: to be a terrific Remember two picks at the top 1330 01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,280 Speaker 1: around three, lenn If you got a Brandon Smith's in there, 1331 01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,920 Speaker 1: Jamarco Jones to tackle, you might be able to get 1332 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,280 Speaker 1: to got a offensive line at the top around three. Also, 1333 01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:21,960 Speaker 1: So don't don't discount that. Okay, Well, I I I 1334 01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,520 Speaker 1: you know, I hear more. I'm just kind of locked in. 1335 01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,160 Speaker 1: I'm locked in on Daniels. I'm locked in on Danny. 1336 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,640 Speaker 1: I'm hoping he's there. I don't think he's gonna be 1337 01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,800 Speaker 1: but you you threw Wan some alternatives and Ragnell and 1338 01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:38,360 Speaker 1: Price and uh maybe even the guy from Nevada whose 1339 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:43,000 Speaker 1: name is Yeah, Yeah, he's a he's a he's a 1340 01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,360 Speaker 1: mean guy too, and I think we're gonna need that 1341 01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,240 Speaker 1: along the offensive line. Okay, hey, listen, it's gonna be 1342 01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,560 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. You guys were great appreciate prepping 1343 01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,920 Speaker 1: us for this thing was and some I mean some 1344 01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:57,560 Speaker 1: really terrific guests. The one thing that stood stayed with me. 1345 01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:00,760 Speaker 1: I forget who the guests were. I want to say 1346 01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:06,439 Speaker 1: he was a guy. Okay. Shanka described Barkley as a weapon. Yeah, 1347 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,160 Speaker 1: that was a good one. Give me that and that 1348 01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,600 Speaker 1: and he also said thanks. He also said, Josh Allen 1349 01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,200 Speaker 1: couldn't hit a bull in the rear end with a 1350 01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,880 Speaker 1: handful of peas. That was by far my favorite quote 1351 01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,280 Speaker 1: of the hold your process. Couldn't hit a bull in 1352 01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,160 Speaker 1: the rear end with a handful of peas. That was 1353 01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,760 Speaker 1: my favorite quote of all the guests we had. I 1354 01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,400 Speaker 1: doesn't forget that line, boy, that's line. Wow. They have 1355 01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,080 Speaker 1: to make it open just with that and I know 1356 01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,280 Speaker 1: you're on tomorrow, but any final thoughts for me? What 1357 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,000 Speaker 1: if you're the Giants, what do you do and what 1358 01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:37,240 Speaker 1: do you predict the Giants will do well? I agree 1359 01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,680 Speaker 1: with you in terms of your dissertation earlier the program, 1360 01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,560 Speaker 1: so I don't need to necessarily revisit that. I would 1361 01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:47,360 Speaker 1: agree that if you don't want a quarterback, if that's 1362 01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:51,600 Speaker 1: their plan, then to me, I'm content with Barkley, Chubb 1363 01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,120 Speaker 1: or Nelson one of those, and who would you pick? 1364 01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:57,200 Speaker 1: I would pick Barkley. Nelson would be to Chubb his 1365 01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,680 Speaker 1: third off. That's in terms of my rankings, almost flip 1366 01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:01,880 Speaker 1: of what you laid out. That's how I would go 1367 01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,360 Speaker 1: about it. Um, if they feel the quarterback is the 1368 01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,160 Speaker 1: best possible position, and they're all in the room sold 1369 01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,160 Speaker 1: on a guy, that to me is choice number one. 1370 01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,160 Speaker 1: I agree take the quarterback. Then you choose between the 1371 01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,800 Speaker 1: three non quarterback, and you would choose one of those 1372 01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,640 Speaker 1: three instead of trading down without hesitation, I would choose 1373 01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,400 Speaker 1: one of those three. Okay. The only way that I'm 1374 01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,120 Speaker 1: trading down is they're giving me the first round pick 1375 01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,320 Speaker 1: next year and you and you want to stay at 1376 01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:31,720 Speaker 1: five or six? Or would you would go down if 1377 01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,040 Speaker 1: you get the one next year, but you have to 1378 01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,480 Speaker 1: get the number one next think that the conversation does 1379 01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,440 Speaker 1: not go beyond that unless I get the one. Well's 1380 01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,680 Speaker 1: I gotta practice. Found sounds good. Always a pleasure of 1381 01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:42,840 Speaker 1: my first We're gonna have to practice. Watch day two 1382 01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,800 Speaker 1: of voluntary minicamp. Thanks for joining us everybody. Tomorrow we 1383 01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:47,920 Speaker 1: have our normal show at noon with Lance and Jeff, 1384 01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,400 Speaker 1: and then we stream at night Giants Draft Night Live. 1385 01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,840 Speaker 1: Bob Popa, Carl Banks, David Deal will be live from 1386 01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,120 Speaker 1: MetLife Stadium, and then I will be here. Paulatino will 1387 01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,920 Speaker 1: be around as well. Madeline Burke will be in Dallas 1388 01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,280 Speaker 1: and in London will be around as well, So Cavalcadive 1389 01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:04,320 Speaker 1: people will be hosting that show. Then we're back on 1390 01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:08,040 Speaker 1: Friday and noon, then our special draft bb KS six 1391 01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,480 Speaker 1: thirty Friday night and eleven thirty on Saturday afternoon. Make 1392 01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,920 Speaker 1: sure you tune in Ferlance Meadow. I'm John Shamull. Thanks 1393 01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:15,760 Speaker 1: for joining us, and thank you for being part of 1394 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,320 Speaker 1: our draft process here on Giants dot Com. It's been 1395 01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,640 Speaker 1: a pleasure. We'll see you tomorrow. Have a go on