Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hey, Hello, Hi, what is your name?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Nancy.
Speaker 1: Nancy like Nancy Drew the famous Uh what does she do?
Speaker 1: She's like a detective, right?
Speaker 2: I think? Yeah, I think she's like a detective of
Speaker 2: a book. Right. I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool. Is that uh where you came up
Speaker 1: with the name Nancy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I was thinking like a fake name, and I just
Speaker 3: thought of Nancy because nobody would guess that I am Nancy.
Speaker 1: I don't know I would be I could be convinced
Speaker 1: that your real name is Nancy. You sound like a Nancy.
Speaker 2: Oh cool, I'm fucked.
Speaker 1: Wow, you know you're not fucked. You're not fucked. You're
Speaker 1: not fucked. I'm gonna assume your gender real cood? Are
Speaker 1: you a man?
Speaker 2: I am a man?
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like like a really like I
Speaker 1: don't know why, but I feel like like a really
Speaker 1: like Nancy could be the name of like a really confident,
Speaker 1: attractive man. I really feel that way.
Speaker 2: That's that's a pretty good. Yeah. If I ever get
Speaker 2: a son on Monday with me Nancy.
Speaker 1: Well I wouldn't. You shouldn't do that experiment on your son.
Speaker 1: You should let some other poor motherfucker try that one out.
Speaker 1: But I think it could work. I think Nancy could
Speaker 1: work as like as a masculine name, like well, it's
Speaker 1: like well like like actually, I mean there's there's Clancy,
Speaker 1: which is like an extremely masculine name. That's like a
Speaker 1: lumberjack name, Clancy.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's that guy Tom Clancy.
Speaker 3: I don't even know who that guy is, but he
Speaker 3: just shows up on video games.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he's killed a bunch of people. What's up, Nancy?
Speaker 1: How you doing? What can I house? What made you
Speaker 1: want to call this phone?
Speaker 2: This is crazy.
Speaker 3: I'd never thought that I would get here, but I
Speaker 3: when I was eavesdrop, I mean daydreaming while I do
Speaker 3: quite a lot, I thought about I could tell you
Speaker 3: a story of how I was a CEO of a
Speaker 3: small company at an age of nineteen.
Speaker 1: You were the CEO of a company at the age
Speaker 1: of nineteen. What kind of company was that? Were you
Speaker 1: a drug dealer?
Speaker 3: No? So it was actually my dad's company. It was
Speaker 3: like a physical therapy machine manufacturing company.
Speaker 2: So like there was like heating paths and.
Speaker 4: Like massage chairs, I guess.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, and then he suddenly died. Oh, I
Speaker 3: had to take over the company for like a week.
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry to hear about your dad, But also
Speaker 1: I have to imagine that a lot of the people
Speaker 1: who worked at that company were a little pissed off
Speaker 1: that the CEO's nineteen year old son was now telling
Speaker 1: them what to do.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I mean what was I was just.
Speaker 3: Trying to, I don't know, just survive. I mean. The
Speaker 3: worst thing was my uncle was trying to basically overthrow
Speaker 3: me and trying to take over the company and his wife.
Speaker 3: So basically my aunt knew that and was scheming with
Speaker 3: basically rest of the family to prevent him from doing that.
Speaker 1: This is the plot. I think this is the plot
Speaker 1: of the Lion King, right, this is the plot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the plot of the Lion King. Simba's dad,
Speaker 1: Mufasa dies and so he becomes the king of the
Speaker 1: of the massage chair company, and his uncle gets like
Speaker 1: really pissed off and jealous and tries to dethrone him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: You live, bro, you lived the Lion King, but for
Speaker 1: massage chairs.
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, I guess I am the massage chair king.
Speaker 2: Lion King.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're the massage chair lion king. So what happened
Speaker 1: with your uncle? Did he like, did he banish you?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: So actually what happened was I was a CEO and
Speaker 3: then my aunt came up to me and was like, listen, dude,
Speaker 3: this is like your uncle's trying to overthrow the company.
Speaker 3: But your dad never thought that he was a good
Speaker 3: like a good fit for the CEO, and I don't agree.
Speaker 2: Also, so.
Speaker 3: We're going to create a water tight contract so that
Speaker 3: he cannot take over the company. So me at nineteen.
Speaker 3: By the way, this I like, I'm an American And
Speaker 3: this happened in Indonesia because that's where my dad's business was.
Speaker 2: So I was like jet lagged.
Speaker 3: Because I just flew like twelve hours out of freaking
Speaker 3: nowhere all into my.
Speaker 1: Your dad, your dad passes away, and then like how
Speaker 1: soon after you get the news? Are you thrown on
Speaker 1: a plane to Indonesia?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the day after.
Speaker 1: That's insane because.
Speaker 3: I got I got the call from my sister like, oh,
Speaker 3: by the way, dad died, and the next say, I
Speaker 3: flew and then I went there. I don't I don't
Speaker 3: know how long signed the plane ride was probably like hours,
Speaker 3: and then I got there and then basically his like
Speaker 3: biggest shareholder slashed. His mentor who's like seventy years old,
Speaker 3: was basically told me like, by the way, this company
Speaker 3: is too small, doesn't have a board, and because this
Speaker 3: is a very patriarchal culture, you're the only son, so
Speaker 3: you are in charge.
Speaker 4: So I was like, what the hell.
Speaker 3: So that's how kind of it became that and then
Speaker 3: basically I was like the proxy. My mom made most
Speaker 3: of the decision, but I was kind of like the figurehead.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Mean that's how most that I think that's how most
Speaker 1: organizations work, is that there's a guy who like is
Speaker 1: you know, he's the quote unquote CEO, president, whatever, but
Speaker 1: it's really you know, his mom or the shareholders that
Speaker 1: actually make the decisions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's true. Yeah, so that's kind
Speaker 3: of what I told the shareholder to to Like, dude,
Speaker 3: I am in college, I don't know any things about business,
Speaker 3: but yeah, so we have to create like a watertight
Speaker 3: contract so that my uncle could not take over. And
Speaker 3: then we were also afraid that when he finds out
Speaker 3: the news that he was not going to take over
Speaker 3: the company, which I thought he thought it was guaranteed.
Speaker 3: We had to like basically create like a protection system
Speaker 3: for my aunt so he doesn't do anything rational out
Speaker 3: of anger.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so that's what happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I was curious about that, Like, what happened
Speaker 1: with your uncle? Did he did he crash out? Did
Speaker 1: he get pissed?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean so, so this was kind of the game plan.
Speaker 3: The game plan was, we write the contract, we give
Speaker 3: it to my aunt with an excuse that the seven
Speaker 3: year old shareholder will basically take my place in an excuse.
Speaker 2: That I have to go back to school, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: And and basically like I flew out to basically get
Speaker 3: rid of, like to not be in the mess when
Speaker 3: it happened, I just told them to just message me
Speaker 3: if shit hits the fan, and all I heard was
Speaker 3: all good, So I'm assuming shit did not hit the
Speaker 3: fan too much.
Speaker 1: Is your dad Indonesian? Is your family like Indonesian or
Speaker 1: do you guys just like why is the company in Indonesia?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So my family, So, my my ethnicity is Korean. I
Speaker 3: am from here, but my dad's family is from Korea.
Speaker 3: And I guess, like I don't really know the logistics,
Speaker 3: but I just I think just opening a company and
Speaker 3: managing a company was a lot cheaper Indonesia and my
Speaker 3: aunt and uncle who I spoke about before, lived there,
Speaker 3: so I think just because of like connections and yeah,
Speaker 3: just mostly connections and opportunity. I'm assuming he started his
Speaker 3: company in Indonesia and he was going through shit too.
Speaker 3: I did not know this, but then like apparently like
Speaker 3: he had like all the right proper visas and everything,
Speaker 3: but apparently like police will be waiting outside his house
Speaker 3: waiting for a bribe or if you know, if he
Speaker 3: doesn't bribe them, then they can just deport him.
Speaker 2: So he was going through that too. So it was
Speaker 2: a lot were.
Speaker 1: You were you were you close with your dad at
Speaker 1: the time that he passed away? Did you have much
Speaker 1: of a relationship with him?
Speaker 2: So this is kind of the weird thing.
Speaker 3: I think we kind of did so, like because of
Speaker 3: his business and because I was in America. I like
Speaker 3: the last time before he died, Like the last time
Speaker 3: I saw him was like I don't know, like ten
Speaker 3: years ago, and he would WOA like once in a while,
Speaker 3: like but like he we would always like talk.
Speaker 2: On the phone every I.
Speaker 3: Would say, like like three four.
Speaker 2: Times a week we would talk.
Speaker 3: But whoa, yeah, okay, you like everybody, go ahead. Oh,
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, like everybody thought like my
Speaker 3: mom and dad were divorced because like they're separated for
Speaker 3: so long, But honestly, it was just my dad was
Speaker 3: just financially supporting us.
Speaker 2: And that's it.
Speaker 1: Bro, hold on, hold on, hold on. So you're telling me, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're telling me, and you were living with your mom,
Speaker 1: like your mom was the parent in the house with you. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so you're telling me. Do you tell me that your
Speaker 1: dad went to Indonesia and just didn't come back for
Speaker 1: ten years, and so you but you would still but
Speaker 1: you would still talk to him on the phone three
Speaker 1: times a week, but you didn't see him in person
Speaker 1: in ten years. Yeah, and he didn't see your mom
Speaker 1: in person for ten years.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean he did like come to visit like once,
Speaker 3: I think, like in the middle of it to like
Speaker 3: maybe three four, like maybe like five years since we
Speaker 3: were separated because of the whole thing. So I saw
Speaker 3: him once then, but like other than that, yeah, it
Speaker 3: was it was kind of years of not seeing him.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was kind of like a time machine too,
Speaker 3: because he would remember, like things that I liked five
Speaker 3: years ago, and when I saw him that day, he
Speaker 3: would buy things or give me gifts that I was
Speaker 3: interested in five years ago and bring him and was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I was a child and now I'm more of a
Speaker 3: teenager now, so I'm not really into cartoons on my
Speaker 3: T shirt.
Speaker 1: But okay, you know, damn man, So you what's do
Speaker 1: you give? Any Like, Okay, where in America were you even?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say very vague and say like.
Speaker 1: West Coast okay, And so yeah, I mean, how did
Speaker 1: it feel when your dad passed away? Because I mean
Speaker 1: that's such a interest, that's such an interesting I've never
Speaker 1: heard I you know, obviously, you know there are people
Speaker 1: you know, I've talked to on the show and that
Speaker 1: I've heard of of, like you know, their dads weren't
Speaker 1: in their lives, and then you know those people whose
Speaker 1: dads are in their lives, but your dad is like
Speaker 1: it was like a phone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it was definitely kind of weird because
Speaker 3: I don't know, like my my siblings were more attached
Speaker 3: with my dad for sure.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think they just had better memories of him. I have,
Speaker 3: like mental issues that like long term memory is like
Speaker 3: very foggy because of it, so I don't remember much.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so like I would say, like a lot
Speaker 3: of most of my memories just like of his voice,
Speaker 3: I guess. I mean I do still like remember like
Speaker 3: little slivers of seeing him and things like that. But then, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that was kind of the thing was like
Speaker 3: on the plane, I just remember thinking like, oh, like
Speaker 3: last time I saw him was like five years ago,
Speaker 3: and the next time I'm going to see him as
Speaker 3: like dead, which was true, I did see him dead,
Speaker 3: But then like also it was also like everybody around
Speaker 3: me was like I don't know, It's like was like
Speaker 3: urging me to be sadder than I looked, and I
Speaker 3: felt like I had to be crying and be sad,
Speaker 3: but I don't know, and I kind of felt bad
Speaker 3: about it too. I was like, this is my dad,
Speaker 3: Like yeah, I'm like very sad about it, but like
Speaker 3: I don't look like, you know, like my mom who's
Speaker 3: like on the floor like about to pass out, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean?
Speaker 1: So your mom is very sad?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, my mom was very sad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And but did she see him very often over
Speaker 1: those ten years?
Speaker 3: No, she was like with us, so it was kind
Speaker 3: of like that too. I mean, she's kind of an
Speaker 3: odd character too. She like she's one person that I
Speaker 3: know who like genuinely is okay without interacting with humans
Speaker 3: as much.
Speaker 2: If that.
Speaker 3: Like, I've never like seen her really lonely, and she
Speaker 3: literally never.
Speaker 2: Really gets out of the house.
Speaker 3: She has like maybe one or two friends, so I
Speaker 3: don't know, And I think like my dad was maybe
Speaker 3: the one anchor she had at that time, so I mean,
Speaker 3: and also, you know, like he's her husband's I guess
Speaker 3: it makes sense that he was.
Speaker 2: She was very devastated.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting, why are you the youngest or are you
Speaker 1: are you the oldest?
Speaker 2: I'm the middle.
Speaker 3: Child, so but like, but I have two sisters, so
Speaker 3: I guess I guess like the logistic was like I'm
Speaker 3: the only man of the house. Yeah, and it's like yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's like a traditional Asian household, so I think
Speaker 3: that's kind of how it was. And also my older
Speaker 3: sister could not leave the country at the time because
Speaker 3: of like visa and issues like that.
Speaker 5: So huh.
Speaker 1: Interesting. So how's your relationship with your mom?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Not the greatest, to be honest, I mean we are
Speaker 3: working on it, I.
Speaker 4: Guess, but I like she.
Speaker 3: I mean we still like talking like once in a while.
Speaker 3: But so my mom's kind of a has an odd
Speaker 3: personality in a way that like other moms would like
Speaker 3: really appreciate, like if their son calls them and you know,
Speaker 3: but like she's more of the person like if I call,
Speaker 3: then she's like, only call me if you have like
Speaker 3: an objective, if there's something that we need to talk about. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: she's Yeah, she's very much like that. I mean, she's
Speaker 3: gotten better because I've like told her like, hey, like
Speaker 3: I would just want to catch up and you know,
Speaker 3: like see how you're doing. Because now she travels for work,
Speaker 3: so so you know, like I would love to just
Speaker 3: catch up. So now she's better at just answering my
Speaker 3: phone and but yeah, but she's kind of a NodD ball.
Speaker 3: But I think that's kind of how she survives the
Speaker 3: whole turmoil too, because I think I think that's just
Speaker 3: allowed her to be more resilient.
Speaker 2: I guess, bro.
Speaker 1: How are you doing like like all that, like let
Speaker 1: me let me stop you real quick. All right, so
Speaker 1: you were this had okay, so to go back to
Speaker 1: your main story. Okay, So you became the CEO of
Speaker 1: this company. You were there for like a week, and
Speaker 1: now who's running the company now?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so that's seventy year old shareholder. So we
Speaker 3: basically created the contract and said, hey, you're going to
Speaker 3: take over the company, and and he was actually very
Speaker 3: nice about it, and he said, you know, like you
Speaker 3: guys are still the family. So what profit like comes
Speaker 3: out of it, Like, we will give like livery percentage
Speaker 3: of it too, And I and I think, and I think,
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is correct, but I just remember,
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm just doing this to say things because
Speaker 3: Danny Jobs, I generally don't care about profit. I don't
Speaker 3: care about money. This is a whole shit show.
Speaker 2: That I don't want to be a part of.
Speaker 3: Inter So so I remember I just left, and I
Speaker 3: told my mom too. I was like, I don't want
Speaker 3: to be a part of this. If things happened, things happen.
Speaker 3: If you can, you just take care of it, because
Speaker 3: I don't want to be a part of it. And
Speaker 3: I think last thing I heard was that basically like
Speaker 3: that company got liquidated, and I think it got consumed
Speaker 3: by another bigger company, if I remember correctly. So because
Speaker 3: I remember I was like, I was like receiving chats
Speaker 3: from my aunt, just like updates or like, and I
Speaker 3: would just ignore them because because my mom would just
Speaker 3: deal with it, and I just that's the past. I
Speaker 3: just want to leave. But then I stopped hearing them,
Speaker 3: and then I remember my mom was like, oh, yeah, that.
Speaker 2: Company is no more.
Speaker 3: So I was like, okay, well good for good for us,
Speaker 3: I guess. So yeah, so that's what happened to the company.
Speaker 1: How how okay? So this was when you were in nineteen.
Speaker 1: How old are you now?
Speaker 3: I am now almost twenty nine, thirty thirty?
Speaker 1: Oh oh fuck, oh shit, okay, damn all right, so
Speaker 1: this was a long time ago.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, this was a long time ago. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: in many years of therapy and not like a real one.
Speaker 2: And then so I'm I'm able to talk about it.
Speaker 1: I guess, bro, how you okay? So back to what
Speaker 1: I Yeah, how you doing now? Man? What's up? Goddamn
Speaker 1: eleven years? Okay, what's up? How you doing? Oh?
Speaker 2: I'm doing great now.
Speaker 3: I just tell this story and people are like, to
Speaker 3: my friends, I guess and They're like, dude, this is
Speaker 3: like a drama. And I'm like, uh, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: So I'm doing great though.
Speaker 3: Now I am in a PhD program and I'm about
Speaker 3: to graduate and yeah, so everything's going pretty well.
Speaker 1: Cool. Do you still talk to your mom or is
Speaker 1: it like you know, she's like, only call me when
Speaker 1: you need some.
Speaker 2: Oh actually yeah?
Speaker 3: So oh So I actually just got back from a
Speaker 3: family Redian trip because because my mom's mom, so my grandma,
Speaker 3: she's like ninety, so my mom wanted this to be
Speaker 3: like a last little trip before she probably will pass
Speaker 3: away soon. So I actually just.
Speaker 2: Got back from family reunion with my mom, my.
Speaker 3: Siblings, and my uncle and cousins who I have not
Speaker 3: seen for like twenty years. So I saw them for
Speaker 3: the first time in like twenty years, like two three
Speaker 3: days ago, which was pretty wild.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and do you still keep up with your
Speaker 1: siblings your sisters?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah those Yeah, my sisters are like I'm
Speaker 3: kind of the I guess, like my anchor to the family.
Speaker 3: I like they I still like hang out with them
Speaker 3: and get along with them and text them.
Speaker 1: So yeah, nice, man, Uh, you gotta you gotta, you
Speaker 1: gotta a lady a guy in your life. What's what's
Speaker 1: going on over there?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I actually I recently started dating this girl. I mean,
Speaker 3: like we've been talking for like four.
Speaker 2: Months, but uh like.
Speaker 3: And like recently became serious.
Speaker 6: I guess.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah she's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Cool. Do you do you like get did you, like, say,
Speaker 1: did you get any money from from this company that
Speaker 1: you like saved it all? Or was that kind of
Speaker 1: just like a was that was that lucrative at all?
Speaker 2: Actually?
Speaker 3: No, So when we like I remember like when like
Speaker 3: when we were just processing everything, we I remember just
Speaker 3: like counting the investments, like because a lot of investments
Speaker 3: actually comes with death.
Speaker 2: I guess I just.
Speaker 3: I don't know how money works, but it's basically the
Speaker 3: profits that we were making at the time were basically
Speaker 3: split even with like the depth that the company had.
Speaker 3: So I think we Yeah, so I think we basically
Speaker 3: didn't get anything. Or if we did, I think that
Speaker 3: covered form like the funeral and the other stuff that
Speaker 3: we had to do.
Speaker 2: While we were there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we just broke even.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Huh. This is an interesting, interesting story. This is very interesting.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like what you said you went through
Speaker 1: like multiple years of therapy or whatever, Like, do you
Speaker 1: do you think like this untraditional or I guess I don't.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not untraditional, maybe it it is traditional. I
Speaker 1: don't fuck know, But is it like do you think
Speaker 1: this family dynamic had like a long term effect on
Speaker 1: you now that you're like, you know, approaching thirty, Like,
Speaker 1: do you feel like it's like like like it's still
Speaker 1: like lingering somehow.
Speaker 3: I mean like it's something that I personally like steer
Speaker 3: away from it, so like you know, like the whole
Speaker 3: like Asian traditional like ivy idea of like oh, you know,
Speaker 3: like no matter what your parents do, like it could
Speaker 3: it could do like absolutely one hundred percent wrong, Like
Speaker 3: you know, you still need to follow them, and you
Speaker 3: know you need to like basically you know, support them
Speaker 3: until they die, and you know you'd be feel like
Speaker 3: you'd have to be indebted to them, like for the
Speaker 3: rest of your life kind of thing. My sisters still
Speaker 3: kind of believe that. I think that's why they are
Speaker 3: more like family oriented and still like live with my
Speaker 3: like live near my mom and things, and I live
Speaker 3: across the country now. But I think I just kind
Speaker 3: of feared really away from that, you know. I think
Speaker 3: that's also why I clash with my mom a lot,
Speaker 3: because my sisters are always like you know, like it is,
Speaker 3: that is how she is, you know, so just don't
Speaker 3: make her mad, you know, just like move along with
Speaker 3: it while I try to kind of, as they put it,
Speaker 3: like like put more fuel in the fire, you know,
Speaker 3: like if like I try to be like, you know,
Speaker 3: she what she said or what she did was wrong,
Speaker 3: like we should not do this, you know. So actually
Speaker 3: another crazy thing now that you say this, so kind
Speaker 3: of going off with that ideology, Like my mom actually
Speaker 3: never told my grandma that my dad is dead. So
Speaker 3: even during their family reunion, my grandma still thought my
Speaker 3: dad was alive and was asking me like what your
Speaker 3: could your dad not come to the reunion because he's busy?
Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, he's just really busy.
Speaker 1: Oh how long how long after he died was this?
Speaker 2: I mean, this was like.
Speaker 3: Last week, so I guess it was like Jesus, it's
Speaker 3: been like ten years.
Speaker 1: That's kind of crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, So like I always say, like, there's gonna
Speaker 3: be that, like my Grandma's gonna be that meme of
Speaker 3: like a surprised dude's face, like when she goes up
Speaker 3: to heaven and sees my dad.
Speaker 2: Like why the fuck are you here? You know.
Speaker 1: So, so, yeah, interesting what Nancy?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nancy, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna do this. I
Speaker 1: don't know how many people we got hanging out in
Speaker 1: the live twitch chap, but if anyone in the live
Speaker 1: twitch chat has questions for Nancy, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: let let's let's answer some questions or feed you some
Speaker 1: questions from the live twitch chat if the twitch chat
Speaker 1: wants to ask any questions. Sometimes the twitch chat ask questions,
Speaker 1: other times they just talk to each other about, uh,
Speaker 1: whatever is going on in their life. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1: All right, someone said, why did you not tell the
Speaker 1: grandma that your dad is dead?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, like so, my family's reasoning was, like she's
Speaker 3: very old because she was like eighty at that time,
Speaker 3: and they thought that the news of it, like they
Speaker 3: were very close, like he was like she she treated
Speaker 3: him like like her own son. So they thought that
Speaker 3: if she found out that he was dead, then that
Speaker 3: would cost so much like mental stress on him on her,
Speaker 3: that she would also die. But yeah, so that's what
Speaker 3: that was the reasoning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. What's your PhD in?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 3: So, I'm gonna also be very vague and say, like
Speaker 3: related to some medical science research, is what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: That sounds important. That sounds like it's good. It sounds
Speaker 1: like you're doing something important and real. You're not getting
Speaker 1: like if you're not doing like film history or some bullshit.
Speaker 1: Someone people are saying, did the uncle kill the dad?
Speaker 1: Do you think your uncle killed your dad?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I know that for sure, that's not what happened. So
Speaker 3: he actually died from like a blain brain bleed. Actually,
Speaker 3: this is a really.
Speaker 2: Crazy story too.
Speaker 3: So my dad had high blood pressure for like the
Speaker 3: longest time, and I guess like he was like out
Speaker 3: in the middle I love nowhere like in Indonesia for
Speaker 3: like a business meeting with that share holder that that
Speaker 3: I talked about, and I guess like an aneurysm in
Speaker 3: his brain like burst in the middle of night, because
Speaker 3: I guess he was just very stressed about that busy
Speaker 3: So like two am, three am, like my shareholder, the
Speaker 3: shareholder guy said, you know, I'm gonna give him a name.
Speaker 2: He's named Brian. So Brian.
Speaker 3: Apparently, like I was sleeping next to him in the
Speaker 3: hotel room and my dad like suddenly like turned on
Speaker 3: the night lamp and was like my meds, my meds,
Speaker 3: and then fell down and then uh he was and
Speaker 3: then like the nearest hospital was like I think they
Speaker 3: said like five hours, and so the ambulance was driving
Speaker 3: for five hours.
Speaker 2: But obviously if you have a.
Speaker 3: Brain bleed, you don't have five hours. So I guess
Speaker 3: he passed away in the ambulance and just arrived dead
Speaker 3: at the hospital.
Speaker 1: Oh man, So yeah, fuck man, he was in the middle.
Speaker 1: He was like in the middle of nowhere, Indonesia, five
Speaker 1: hours away from a hospital and got a brain aneurysm
Speaker 1: because he was stressed out about a meeting.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Yes, nuts man. Do you think how old.
Speaker 2: Was he at that time?
Speaker 3: I think he was like.
Speaker 2: Early fifties, mid fifties maybe.
Speaker 1: Shit. Man, does that make you think about like life
Speaker 1: at all? Are you?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 1: Like, damn, I gotta make sure I'm not working so
Speaker 1: hard I don't get a fucking like brain bleed.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: I mean like for first few years, I was like
Speaker 3: in this constant state, like I could die any moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was like a.
Speaker 3: Constant like I was like you know, like I remember
Speaker 3: I was like walking down the street and I will
Speaker 3: be like I could like that bus could hit me,
Speaker 3: or you know, like something could follow my head and
Speaker 3: I could die. And I was like in a constant
Speaker 3: stead of panic. But now I kind of like flipped
Speaker 3: the other way of like I can die any moment, like,
Speaker 3: so might as.
Speaker 2: Well enjoy every day.
Speaker 3: Like like you know, other people are like, oh, I
Speaker 3: have this money, and I should save you know, all
Speaker 3: of it. I mean, yeah, I've just obviously be piscally
Speaker 3: responsible and save some of it. But I'm just like,
Speaker 3: you know, like if it'll make you happy, you know,
Speaker 3: go to that place, you know, buy that whatever ridiculous
Speaker 3: thing that you want to buy.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So I kind of flipped the other way now with
Speaker 3: that ideology too.
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny to me that well I don't funny,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but like the just the fact that
Speaker 1: like they're like, hey, so your dad died of stress
Speaker 1: from running this company, so why don't you run it instead?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean they were just like you
Speaker 3: don't know what to do, and he's there just like
Speaker 3: I'm just like standing there, just like waving, and they're
Speaker 3: like that's the guy. We're gonna grab that guy.
Speaker 2: Oh so yeah.
Speaker 1: All right, let me see let me look for one
Speaker 1: more question. Oh okay, people were asking if your dad,
Speaker 1: if your uncle killed your dad because it was ah,
Speaker 1: it's a lion king. Do you still talk to the uncle?
Speaker 1: That's my question, that's not in the chat. I'm just curious,
Speaker 1: Oh hell to the No.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I just felt really uncomfortable too.
Speaker 2: I mean one because like I know that like.
Speaker 3: Whole thing, and so that just leaves a.
Speaker 2: Bad taste in the mouth.
Speaker 3: But also, like while we were there, he knew that
Speaker 3: he had a chance of taking over the company, so
Speaker 3: like while we were there, he would basically like quote
Speaker 3: unquote pamper us, like take us to like fancy department stores,
Speaker 3: and like I remember, like he bought this really expensive
Speaker 3: lipstick for my sister, and you know we obviously were like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, they're politely accept and thank you, and then
Speaker 3: I remember my sister like leaned overs like I don't
Speaker 3: even wear a lisstick, So like all that like pampering
Speaker 3: just like and then you know, leading to him not
Speaker 3: getting what he wanted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's wanting. Yeah, but that's that's just want to Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, because he's like like he he's just acting
Speaker 1: under the assumption that he's about to have a ship
Speaker 1: ton of money and spending it before he can even
Speaker 1: confirm that he will have it.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like all in all, because of all of
Speaker 3: the mess, Yeah, I don't talk to the and I
Speaker 3: don't talk to the uncle. I try to, Like, I
Speaker 3: don't think I'll ever go back to Indonesia ever.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: The aunt though, the aunt's interesting to me because the
Speaker 1: aunt was like, yo, my uncle. The aunt was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: my husband's kind of a dumbass, and I don't think
Speaker 1: he should have this company, So you should. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make sure that it goes to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean my I mean that's like my aunt,
Speaker 3: Like she's such a sweetheart, Like she is one of
Speaker 3: the nicest persons that I've ever met. And I think
Speaker 3: part of it was like she, you know, she was
Speaker 3: my dad's sister, so I think he she had his
Speaker 3: best interest.
Speaker 1: Oh oh oh oh oh oh oh. Okay, well that
Speaker 1: changes everything, Okay, okay, oh that's just completely Okay, this
Speaker 1: was your uncle, this was your uncle. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: not your blood uncle, this is your uncle.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like, oh okay.
Speaker 1: That changes completely everything. Yeah, that changes complete Yeah. But
Speaker 1: then of course your aunt is gonna have your have
Speaker 1: your back on that or not. Of course, I guess
Speaker 1: it's not a given. But uh, your aunt, your aunt
Speaker 1: could totally I mean, it's in your aunt's best interest
Speaker 1: that you know, she's her I guess she gets the
Speaker 1: money right over the fuck. But that's uh, damn, that's
Speaker 1: that's yeah. Oh that makes your uncle like a triple dumbass. Honestly,
Speaker 1: sorry to keep calling your uncle a dumbass, but I
Speaker 1: get the sense you don't particularly like him, and it's
Speaker 1: fun to call people a dumbass.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's fine. You know, I don't
Speaker 3: think I mean, he doesn't speak English, so I don't
Speaker 3: think he can even listen to this podcast anyway.
Speaker 1: So well, Nancy again, you know, look, if you're ever
Speaker 1: thinking about really adopting that name, I think it's a
Speaker 1: good name. Is Uh. Thank you for sharing the story
Speaker 1: with us. This was fast. I feel like I just
Speaker 1: watched a movie talking to you.
Speaker 3: Oh well, I'm glad it was entertaining.
Speaker 2: Thanks, Lyle.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go.
Speaker 4: Live your life?
Speaker 2: Indonesia is a great place. They have great food. Visit
Speaker 2: it some time.
Speaker 3: Just get your vaccinations beforehand.
Speaker 1: Beautiful, have a good rest of the night, Nancy. Thank
Speaker 1: you for sharing, and good luck doing medical good luck
Speaker 1: doing medical stuff on the West coast of the United States.
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. You have a good night, by Lyle.
Speaker 1: Bye bye, Nancy. That was a nice call. That was
Speaker 1: like I've never seen I hate I do this a lot.
Speaker 1: Like I'll be like, oh, that was like the Wire.
Speaker 1: Never seen the wire. I was about to say that
Speaker 1: was like secession. But I've never seen secession. But I
Speaker 1: think I think I know enough about I never seen
Speaker 1: a single episode or I never read the Wikipedia page.
Speaker 1: I don't know a single thing about secession, but I
Speaker 1: know that it's about succeeding succession, you success, and so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna assume this is this guy's life is like secession.
Speaker 1: Lion King vibes. I haven't seen you know, I have
Speaker 1: seen The Lion King, but I saw it a long
Speaker 1: time ago. It's been a while. Maybe I'll'll watch it again,
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll watch it right now.
Speaker 4: Hello, Hey man, I just have like a lot of
Speaker 4: stuff going on recently, and I'm kind of bummed out,
Speaker 4: all right. I mean, I'm good, I just it's just
Speaker 4: like it's kind of lonely out here.
Speaker 2: Where are you?
Speaker 1: Where is that here?
Speaker 4: I mean I'm in my apartment, but like you know,
Speaker 4: there's just no people to talk to, like.
Speaker 1: Even metaphor yeah, what so you have?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean like I can't even ask I
Speaker 4: can't even ask this guy like if they want to
Speaker 4: go work out, you know. And then like I've even
Speaker 4: I've gone to one of your shows in LA and
Speaker 4: I brought somebody, like a significant other, and then like now,
Speaker 4: i mean like I don't think that my lifestyle was
Speaker 4: the problem, but I guess my lifestyle was a problem.
Speaker 4: And now like I don't even talk to that person
Speaker 4: anymore because like because I just I mean New Year's
Speaker 4: came along, and I just is like I'm just I
Speaker 4: just felt like it was a resolute resolution not to
Speaker 4: talk to that person anymore because I just don't have.
Speaker 2: I just I'm not like.
Speaker 4: I just feel like, you know, if you have like
Speaker 4: what do you call that when it's conditional love? And
Speaker 4: then like unconditional love is different, and I'm just like
Speaker 4: it was a conditional love type of thing, and I'm
Speaker 4: just like yeah, like damn, like.
Speaker 1: Guy, yeah, well you know, it's I've been I've actually
Speaker 1: been thinking recently a lot about that concept because like
Speaker 1: I think all love has uh. I think I don't
Speaker 1: think that like truly unconditional love exists. I think there's
Speaker 1: like I ideally you find love with like the minimum
Speaker 1: amount of conditions possible, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: you like like like like if you're like, if you
Speaker 1: hit someone, they're probably not gonna love you. You know, that's
Speaker 1: a good condition to have, Like there's never gonna there's
Speaker 1: never gonna be zero conditions. You know what you said that?
Speaker 1: What was it? What was your lifestyle that that that
Speaker 1: you said was fucking this up?
Speaker 4: Solutly? Like to be honest, I get fired for my
Speaker 4: job because I've smoking weed and I don't think that's
Speaker 4: a big issue, but because you know, people know who
Speaker 4: they hired. But I digress. And it's just kind of like, hey, man,
Speaker 4: like if you wanted somebody to be like that, why
Speaker 4: don't you just take my I would I would be
Speaker 4: okay if you just took my bong and just threw
Speaker 4: it in the trash without me knowing, you know, if
Speaker 4: you really wanted to beat with somebody like so, I
Speaker 4: just feel like the person who I was with didn't
Speaker 4: take the steps to really like appropriate the conditions.
Speaker 1: They didn't like that you were smoking weed.
Speaker 4: Man, No, they didn't, so like now do they they did?
Speaker 1: They tell you? They tell you that you didn't they
Speaker 1: didn't like you smoking weed.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I was.
Speaker 4: Just like, it's just so fucked up because like, I
Speaker 4: don't I'm no contact with my family too, you know
Speaker 4: how kids are or whatever, And I'm like no contact
Speaker 4: with family, and then like people, I don't talk to
Speaker 4: people either. I just kind of I just kind of
Speaker 4: sit around and I don't I don't feel I don't
Speaker 4: feel like I need to impress anybody.
Speaker 1: All right, hm hmm. What how old are you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, in twenty eight eight. I have what's going on,
Speaker 4: like outside of whatever we're talking about, Like, I have
Speaker 4: other things I'm doing now that are more important. But
Speaker 4: you know, it's kind of like, dang, like I really
Speaker 4: wish that I would have somebody to hang out with
Speaker 4: or at least or at least bring with me, you know,
Speaker 4: to the place I'm going.
Speaker 5: I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah, what you said, you have
Speaker 5: other things going away to the other things.
Speaker 7: A recruiter hit me up for the military Okay, So yeah,
Speaker 7: I have a degree and stuff and whatever. I'm kind
Speaker 7: of like I have a background and corrections. I guess,
Speaker 7: like sort of paramilitary, so you know, all right, I
Speaker 7: guess it's not unexpected. But they called me, and I'm like,
Speaker 7: I wish I had somebody to bring with me. I
Speaker 7: don't know if they're listening, but probably not.
Speaker 1: You wish you had somebody to bring with you on
Speaker 1: on military deployment.
Speaker 7: Essentially, Yeah, let me ask you.
Speaker 1: I am genuinely curious why you know in this particular
Speaker 1: phone call, because I could sit here and like, do
Speaker 1: you I'm guess, like, I guess I want to know
Speaker 1: if there's a particular like preference for this phone call
Speaker 1: because I could we could sit well, I'm only asking
Speaker 1: is like we could I could sit here, we could
Speaker 1: talk and I could we could attempt to uh create
Speaker 1: solutions perhaps.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not like, or we could just or
Speaker 4: we could just.
Speaker 1: Suck around, or we could just fuck around, or I
Speaker 1: could or I could I just suck around?
Speaker 4: Well all right, super ugly, I'm like pretty no, hold on.
Speaker 1: Hold on, don't hold on, hold on, Why why are
Speaker 1: you bringing that up?
Speaker 4: Even you know, because like fuck man, I've the reason
Speaker 4: I smoked weeds so much is because I just have
Speaker 4: like the the behavior of other people and stuff in
Speaker 4: the world, and then like my behavior versus that, you know,
Speaker 4: uh okay, weed's legal in California, right, and so I'm
Speaker 4: just like, fuck, yeah, I smoked weed all day, bro.
Speaker 4: And then so like that's how I get around socially.
Speaker 4: But then like now that the like it's not legal subterally,
Speaker 4: so like I'm literally getting getting ripped apart right now.
Speaker 4: I can't find a job, you know, And like I
Speaker 4: thought it was something I was good, Like, I thought
Speaker 4: we were good for it, and I'm like, yeah, dude,
Speaker 4: like everyone's kind of relaxed. I was pretty chill, and
Speaker 4: then now I have no chill, Like I've found myself
Speaker 4: kind of like insulting people online.
Speaker 1: Why are you?
Speaker 2: Why are you?
Speaker 1: No? You know? Please please? I don't look I don't
Speaker 1: know you at all, but as a fellow, I would
Speaker 1: love to one day. I really like a utopia would
Speaker 1: look like one day I go on Reddit and all
Speaker 1: the post there's no posts and there's no comments because
Speaker 1: everyone got a life and went outside. That would make
Speaker 1: me so happy. If I went on Reddit one day
Speaker 1: and there was there was it was just blank. It
Speaker 1: was like nothing to be seen because and then I
Speaker 1: look outside and everyone's like playing catch with each other
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, drinking hot cocoa like every you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's util right there, and so I that we
Speaker 1: could start, you know, with you in that utopia. The
Speaker 1: key why what do you?
Speaker 3: What do you? What do you?
Speaker 1: What are you insulting? What are you insulting people on
Speaker 1: Reddit about?
Speaker 4: You know, people need stimulation, whether it's bad or not.
Speaker 4: But like you know, and it's like sometimes it's not
Speaker 4: that good, but I do give that good stimulation.
Speaker 1: What is your hold on what is your idea of
Speaker 1: good stimulation? Are you call? Are you calling people fat
Speaker 1: on the internet?
Speaker 4: Damn no, I'm just calling all right.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of losing it now, I'm kind of losing touch.
Speaker 4: But I'll say this is that a lot of people
Speaker 4: don't pay attention to what's going on. And I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not one for it to be like
Speaker 4: supportive of like drugs and stuff, but I will say
Speaker 4: it's a problem. And then like, you know, uh, that's
Speaker 4: I think it's funny when I see homeless people. I
Speaker 4: am sorry. I'm sorry, but.
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, Okay, just back up for me
Speaker 1: real quick. Who are you fighting with on the internet.
Speaker 4: I'll be I'll be saying stuff, you know, against like
Speaker 4: whatever people people have, like I need I need this
Speaker 4: to be happy. And it's like, dude, I don't even
Speaker 4: smoke anymore, you know, And then it's like, okay, you
Speaker 4: need you need drugs to be happy. And then all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, I'm like, I will devote my entire
Speaker 4: cause to defeating the illegal drug operations.
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, what's your name again?
Speaker 2: Bob?
Speaker 1: Bob? We have we, we are we. This conversation has
Speaker 1: leapt into a different and to a into Mars right now. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna reel it. We're gonna reel We're gonna reel
Speaker 1: it back to Earth. Okay, We're gonna reel this conversation
Speaker 1: back to the the planet Earth. So you you know what,
Speaker 1: I don't actually care what you're arguing with people about
Speaker 1: on the internet. To be honest with you, I'm curious, why,
Speaker 1: oh god, why do you like getting high all the time?
Speaker 1: I know, I really I don't want to go on
Speaker 1: a whole stupid because I can't go. I can't in
Speaker 1: any sort of good faith sit here and tell you
Speaker 1: to stop getting high because I get high every day.
Speaker 1: So I can't do that without being a total hypocrite.
Speaker 1: But I do. But I just as a fellow human being.
Speaker 1: And we're on the phone together right now. Just what
Speaker 1: I'm just curious.
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, man, I'm I'm just saying,
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, I want to be
Speaker 4: able to paper parking. Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's a good goal. That's a great goal to have
Speaker 1: to be able to pay for parking. I believe you
Speaker 1: can achieve that.
Speaker 6: And it's hard.
Speaker 4: I can't pay for parking, you know, because people steal
Speaker 4: my debit card. What I'm taking them out to dinner,
Speaker 4: you know, and then that.
Speaker 1: Card dude who stole who stole your debit card? When
Speaker 1: you take them out to dinner? What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: I don't fucking know.
Speaker 6: It's gone.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I'm like, I all, I'm like, hey,
Speaker 4: why just left this place.
Speaker 6: I'm checking my wallet.
Speaker 2: I can't pay for parking.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's okay, do me a favorite when when when I
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna this is, I'm gonna put this
Speaker 1: in a podcast and put it on the internet. Don't
Speaker 1: don't go into the comments section and argue with people.
Speaker 1: Just just go just I just bob. Bob. Is your name.
Speaker 2: Coop? You can call me Coop?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 1: I like I like Coop. That's a fun name. Hmmm,
Speaker 1: did you what did you have a time in your
Speaker 1: life where you've like you felt.
Speaker 2: Good, that's sucked up?
Speaker 4: Well did you ask that?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I have, I have I have a good time sometimes.
Speaker 2: I have a good time sometimes.
Speaker 1: Man, okay, but you have a good time something? So
Speaker 1: you so you you sometimes have a good time.
Speaker 4: It but I have to pay for it, you know,
Speaker 4: like I have to pay for friends to bring them
Speaker 4: out because they have issues. And then it's like why
Speaker 4: did they have issues? Are you fellon or you know?
Speaker 4: I just wish people were not so terrible?
Speaker 3: What do you? All?
Speaker 1: Right? Hold on?
Speaker 3: What? So? What?
Speaker 1: You two things? And and I this your I can
Speaker 1: sense in your voice that you're about to take this
Speaker 1: conversation back to Mars and we're keeping it. We're going
Speaker 1: to keep it earth. Okay, what why are you who
Speaker 1: are you paying to go out with you.
Speaker 4: No, it's just like I need I need to like
Speaker 4: I needed to go to like you know sometimes essentially
Speaker 4: you know, it's like I was using the restroom right,
Speaker 4: Like sometimes I need to use the restroom mentally, right Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, okay, let me just hit these people
Speaker 4: up and see you and see like what I can
Speaker 4: do to like get some social interaction. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: And then like once you're once you're like I even
Speaker 4: I had friends in high school, dude, I did, and
Speaker 4: like it just I like cut myself off because I
Speaker 4: just had it was a trust issue, like really bad
Speaker 4: trust issue, you know. And then like they're talking about
Speaker 4: I want to share, like bro, like that's my girl,
Speaker 4: Like you're going to share or something, right, and so
Speaker 4: like I just at that point, look yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm like I'm gonna stop you again.
Speaker 4: I'm not sharing women with other dudes.
Speaker 1: Can I see? Do you have a real therapist that
Speaker 1: you talk to?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I went to therapy and this guy just had met
Speaker 4: his iPad and then like he was like really gluttonous,
Speaker 4: kind of like fatty boy, and I was like, all right,
Speaker 4: I'm just.
Speaker 1: Gonna walk out of here, okay, So yeah, so you
Speaker 1: were like, so if you're so, if the therapist is fat,
Speaker 1: You're like, you're up. You're kind of like, oh, why
Speaker 1: am I gonna let you coach my life if you're
Speaker 1: if you're.
Speaker 4: Fat, well, I mean, dude looked like he was taking
Speaker 4: medication for his own self. And I'm like, bro, like,
Speaker 4: I don't go to a therapist, Like, look, it's fair.
Speaker 1: No one has answers no, no, yeah, yeah, I don't know, man.
Speaker 1: I just.
Speaker 4: You're not my therapist either.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not. I know, I'm not your say, I'm just.
Speaker 1: I'm we're too. We are two complete strangers talking on
Speaker 1: the phone together on a podcast right now. I understand
Speaker 1: that to be the context. But I'm just and I'm
Speaker 1: just but I'm.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm I'm I just the thing I want the most.
Speaker 4: If I was on this planet for as long as
Speaker 4: I will be right, Yes, it is like I wish
Speaker 4: I could cast a magical fucking spell due and just
Speaker 4: at least have an inkling of my peace of mind
Speaker 4: like just on like at least shown to somebody else, right,
Speaker 4: or at least like a couple like some people right,
Speaker 4: at least at least, like if if I had some
Speaker 4: energy in my pot, in my in my person and
Speaker 4: that energy was like projected, I guess that would be nice.
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, stare right there, stare right there, stare
Speaker 1: right there. If you okay, you could, if you could
Speaker 1: wave a magic wand you would have peace of mind
Speaker 1: that was shared with another person.
Speaker 4: Said at least at least one person. Okay, I mean
Speaker 4: I don't know here.
Speaker 1: I go, well, yeah, but like I mean, do you
Speaker 1: have like do you do you have peace of mind already?
Speaker 1: Because you can't have peace of mind to share with
Speaker 1: another person if you don't have, like I guess, peace
Speaker 1: of mind.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want to be weird, but I'm
Speaker 4: drinking this and this meat a lotta is really good. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I've been drinking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is a michta.
Speaker 4: Well, you put a beer in a cup and there's
Speaker 4: like a a rim of taking, and then they give
Speaker 4: you some salt like whatever flavor, and you pour that
Speaker 4: in a beer and you have a beer with some
Speaker 4: salt and taking rim.
Speaker 3: It's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Alcohol will give you, it will definitely give you
Speaker 1: temporary piece of mind and then you you but you
Speaker 1: kind of borrow the piece of mind. I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: You don't. I'm getting this. I don't really want to
Speaker 1: go on a motivational fucking whatever thing.
Speaker 4: But Okay, we're trying our hardest out here. Okay, yeah
Speaker 4: I know you are. Mm hmm, but yeah mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: Do give a job or what else do you work?
Speaker 1: Do you work?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 6: I can't.
Speaker 4: I saw two hundred applications, man, two hundred, and I
Speaker 4: have a degree, and like I'm like, bro, okay, I smoke,
Speaker 4: we I get it, but like who's who's fucking with me?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 4: Like like why is there? Like is this someone on
Speaker 4: my phone that's like part of like the I T
Speaker 4: Department And they're like, wow, this guy when he's we're weird,
Speaker 4: we're bringing him in. So don't give him a fucking job.
Speaker 4: Let him do this and that and to make some money.
Speaker 1: And then like you know, I'm sorry, I can, I can.
Speaker 1: I fuck. I really don't want to try to go
Speaker 1: on a mote. I like, I just I'm just trying
Speaker 1: so hard. I just want to talk to you, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to go on a motivational rant. But
Speaker 1: I have a little I just have a little thing
Speaker 1: that I want to. Can I go on a little
Speaker 1: motivational rant, like a tiny one.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm if it makes I mean, all right, you.
Speaker 1: Know what, you know what you know? Fine, all right, fine, fine,
Speaker 1: I want, I want.
Speaker 4: Because I know I special place for me, man, I
Speaker 4: have like a special place in my heart for you.
Speaker 4: Thank you feel free?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, listen, First of all, just say look,
Speaker 1: and this is a thing across the fucking board. Uh
Speaker 1: the it's just across the fucking board that yes, getting
Speaker 1: a job is like, this is really hard. It's like
Speaker 1: insanely fucking difficult. Even if you feel like two hundred
Speaker 1: motherfucking apple, it's like, annoy, it's really hard. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: the most privileged individual on the planet that I can
Speaker 1: do this stupid podcast and I don't have to do it,
Speaker 1: but I know it's hard. I just if I the
Speaker 1: only the thing that's fucking standing out to me in
Speaker 1: talking to you and is just that when you say
Speaker 1: that like everything is terrible and people are terrible, and
Speaker 1: that's just what you're what that's just etched in this stone,
Speaker 1: that's just carved in stone into your brain. It's it's
Speaker 1: just what, It's just what it's just becomes your fucking reality.
Speaker 1: It's just what you see. So if you walk around
Speaker 1: being like everyone is fucking terrible, then of course everyone
Speaker 1: ends up being terrible, and and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: like genuine like real life bad stuff, but there's also
Speaker 1: a good portion of it where it's like if you
Speaker 1: as long as if you're walking around trying to assume
Speaker 1: some form of positive attent of other positive intent of
Speaker 1: other people, you find it more than if you walk
Speaker 1: around assuming that everyone's terrible. That's it. That's the end
Speaker 1: of my vovational rant. No more motivational rants.
Speaker 4: Get and you're just saying positive about it. That's cool,
Speaker 4: not be not.
Speaker 1: Like not like fucking hey, everything's amazing, rainbows are awesome,
Speaker 1: life is good, isn't it good? Not like that, but
Speaker 1: just like, at least you don't have to do that,
Speaker 1: You don't have to walk around like a fucking teletubby,
Speaker 1: but just the opposite. But just don't do the opposite.
Speaker 1: Don't don't walk around like you're you know, because then
Speaker 1: then you're just fu you just prematurely fuck yourself.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, all right, cool.
Speaker 1: Well Bob, I'm gonna let you go back I mean,
Speaker 1: it was a cool talk. It was nice talking to you.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 1: I hope you're I hope you're okay. I don't know you.
Speaker 1: I hope you're okay. I hope you're not going completely
Speaker 1: and I hope you're going I don't I hope you
Speaker 1: are not going more insane. I hope you're not going
Speaker 1: significantly more insane than the average person on the planet
Speaker 1: is going insane at this current time.
Speaker 4: I think it's okay to cry. I wanted to say
Speaker 4: something to the viewers to cry. I mean, just like,
Speaker 4: calm down, don't cry too much. But if you can't
Speaker 4: help it, fuck it. Just light it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well, have a good night, Bob, thanks for calling.
Speaker 4: Cheers, Yeah, Coop, Yeah, I'm gonna have this all right, cool,
Speaker 4: all right, take care, Coop, all right later.
Speaker 1: Up. It's good to cry. It's good to cry. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you cry. When is the last time I cried? I
Speaker 1: cried recently? Yeah? No, I cry a lot. I actually
Speaker 1: cry fairly often. No, cry, Oh my god, cry Yeah, cry, laugh, cry, uh, drink,
Speaker 1: drink a diet coke, live for eighty years, and then
Speaker 1: pass away peacefully in your sleep, ideally rounded by at
Speaker 1: least one other human being if you can hack that.
Speaker 1: But even if not, this is fine. There's no this. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's not a win lose life. Isn't
Speaker 1: it really a wind lose proposition? I don't think and
Speaker 1: those if you want it to be, I kind of
Speaker 1: want I kind of want it to be. I kind
Speaker 1: of want to do stuff, but I guess you don't
Speaker 1: have to do stuff. I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm okay now. I feel like I'm on Mars. But
Speaker 1: it's good. Maybe it's good to leave Earth now and
Speaker 1: then Hello, Hello, what's up man? How you doing? What's
Speaker 1: your name?
Speaker 4: My name is Coal?
Speaker 1: Coal?
Speaker 3: What up?
Speaker 1: Coal?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What are you doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I saw you. I saw you in l a kind
Speaker 6: of recently. I guess it was in like November.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, Yeah that was ah Yeah that was fun.
Speaker 1: That was a good time. Those are fun shows.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I drove from I drove from Phoenix, Arizona.
Speaker 1: Where are you? Which one were you at? Do you
Speaker 1: remember anything that happened at the show?
Speaker 6: I think I was at Night two.
Speaker 1: Was that the one where the lady talked about having
Speaker 1: sex with Mark Zuckerberg and her dream?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 1: It was okay, Yeah, that was interesting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that happened.
Speaker 1: So what's going on with you?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 6: I mean I've been watching your stream for years now
Speaker 6: and I finally had the urge to call in because
Speaker 6: I don't know, life's just like a crazy, crazy journey
Speaker 6: and recently, recently, I feel like I've made a lot
Speaker 6: of big changes. That's just been really crazy. The catalyst
Speaker 6: of it all. The interesting thing is that I was
Speaker 6: engaged to be married and now I'm not. So that
Speaker 6: was kind of really tough, but it ended up being
Speaker 6: like a catalyst for me to really get into like
Speaker 6: mindfulness and ship.
Speaker 1: How long how long were you with this person for?
Speaker 1: Like how long are you like in total like dating
Speaker 1: and engage?
Speaker 2: Probably two years?
Speaker 1: Oh all right? Two years?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And uh, do you want to talk about what happens?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: It was, I mean, it was an unfortunate situation.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: It's it's one of those situations where you love the
Speaker 6: person still, yeah, but you come to realize that you
Speaker 6: kind of just don't work together unfortunately. Yeah. And the
Speaker 6: crazy thing is we we separate after like a year
Speaker 6: and we ended up getting back together, and it's like
Speaker 6: we didn't learn our lesson, you know, like we tried
Speaker 6: to just jump back in even though there were so
Speaker 6: many issues, and we tried to like honeymoon face it
Speaker 6: out again and like forget about the issues that happened.
Speaker 1: You know, can I ask if you wanted, if you
Speaker 1: are cool to talk about them, Like what was the
Speaker 1: main one or a couple of ones?
Speaker 6: Yeah? So yeah, what happened is I flirted with a girl.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I flirted.
Speaker 6: With a girl, right, And I was like feeling kind
Speaker 6: of weird about it. I was like, oh, you know,
Speaker 6: I definitely like flirted with this person while I was
Speaker 6: in this relationship, and I started journaling, so I journaled
Speaker 6: about it, you know, like I kind of feel shitty
Speaker 6: that I did this, you know, like it feels like cheating,
Speaker 6: even though it wasn't physically doing something with someone. And
Speaker 6: what happened was my ex read my journal and then
Speaker 6: I came home and she had moved out.
Speaker 1: This was, uh, this was a bit like the first
Speaker 1: time you guys got separated. Yeah, yeah, and then and
Speaker 1: then what was it? What was it that got you
Speaker 1: back together?
Speaker 6: We did this thing you're not supposed to do where
Speaker 6: even though you're broken up, we kept having sex with
Speaker 6: each other. And that was not a very good thing
Speaker 6: to do, but we both participated in it and not
Speaker 6: very proud of it, but we kind of it was
Speaker 6: just what was easy. Like we were both two lonely
Speaker 6: people who like, like I knew the right path for
Speaker 6: me was to like focus on myself and grow, but
Speaker 6: it was just like so easy to go back to
Speaker 6: what was familiar.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, uh yeah, I think, well, it's
Speaker 1: like a human default nature. That's why I mean, that's
Speaker 1: why people stay in like fucking like that's why people
Speaker 1: stay in like abusive relationships and shit like that is.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm talking about I'm talking, I'm talking about
Speaker 1: shit that I have, and I'm by the way, just
Speaker 1: I'm just really want to iterate in this very moment
Speaker 1: that I am talking publicly on a podcast to thousands
Speaker 1: of people about shit that I fucking don't know anything about.
Speaker 1: But why have a podcast if you're not gonna do that?
Speaker 1: That's I think that's the whole point of having a podcast.
Speaker 1: So uh but yeah, I think that's why people stay
Speaker 1: in relationships like that is because it's just like complacency
Speaker 1: is just a fucking hell of a drug, and complacency
Speaker 1: is a hell of a drug, and it's always like,
Speaker 1: you know, I think I think it's like human nature
Speaker 1: to just kind of do whatever the easiest, safest thing is,
Speaker 1: you know, I think what most people do.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, m hm.
Speaker 1: So whether or not that's good, I don't fucking know.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a I don't know anything.
Speaker 6: But yeah, at the time it felt good. At the time,
Speaker 6: it felt good, But like I said, we kind of
Speaker 6: jumped back into the relationship and that kind of lack
Speaker 6: of trust remained kind of deep within our foundation. Sure,
Speaker 6: So you know, the thing that happened recently was I
Speaker 6: was talking with a coworker, an ex coworker of mine
Speaker 6: that she wasn't comfortable with me talking to because this
Speaker 6: was a woman, and you know, in my dumb man brain,
Speaker 6: I was like, I'm not interested in this person, so
Speaker 6: therefore it's okay. But it obviously brought up like hints
Speaker 6: of the past for her, and her trust is with
Speaker 6: me talking to another girl. So yeah, it's it's so
Speaker 6: interesting that that kind of thing broke up an engagement.
Speaker 6: But you know, her finding out I had reached out
Speaker 6: to this ex coworker to see how they were doing.
Speaker 6: That's what ended up uh, breaking it all down and.
Speaker 1: So what uh yeah, So I mean, do you still
Speaker 1: talk to this lady that you were engaged with? No?
Speaker 6: She, Uh No, I haven't been able to reach out
Speaker 6: with her. I called her a month ago. That was
Speaker 6: the last time I spoke with her. I kind of
Speaker 6: really I kind of wanted some closure. And you know,
Speaker 6: my thing was, I wanted to get to a point
Speaker 6: where I didn't want to call her out of necessity
Speaker 6: because like, like after we broke up, I struggled with
Speaker 6: anxiety and my panic attacks came back and I started
Speaker 6: having these panic attacks and I want it's so badly
Speaker 6: to like call her to make it go away, and
Speaker 6: I didn't want to like use her. If that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, feel better?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah because you yeah, because if
Speaker 1: you do that, you open up a whole canno that
Speaker 1: you know, there's no such thing as free. You can't
Speaker 1: just like you know, she's like, you know, you can't
Speaker 1: just use it as like a band aid. It opens
Speaker 1: up a whole can of worms.
Speaker 6: Yeah right, Yeah, So that was really hard.
Speaker 1: But go ahead, No, I don't have any go ahead.
Speaker 6: I was gonna say it was really hard, but what
Speaker 6: got me through, like that hard time without reaching out
Speaker 6: to her, which was you know, the crutch I was
Speaker 6: so used to was like just reaching out to my
Speaker 6: family and friends. Yeah, which seems like so simple and stupid,
Speaker 6: but like I never really did.
Speaker 1: That before that, that's not I don't think that reaching
Speaker 1: out to your family and friends is stupid. If you
Speaker 1: told me, yeah, you know what I did is I
Speaker 1: got I got, I got twelve MIC's hard lemonades, and
Speaker 1: I rammed them down until I forgot about my life.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yeah, that's a little simple and stupid.
Speaker 1: But no, reaching out to your family and friends is
Speaker 1: quite smart and good. I would say that is a
Speaker 1: smart and good method of doing what you are attempting
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 6: I guess it's stupid stupid how simple it was?
Speaker 1: Sure? Well, yeah, I guess it is a little stupid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess it is like kind of funny that, like sure, sure,
Speaker 1: Like you call your friend and you're like, oh, I
Speaker 1: should have just called my friend, you know, like, especially
Speaker 1: if you have some do your friends? Do you have
Speaker 1: a lot of friends?
Speaker 6: I have some. Okay, I have a few core friends
Speaker 6: that I'm very grateful to have in my life. Like
Speaker 6: I reached out to my cousin and this dude I
Speaker 6: have known my whole life. He's my my fucking cousin,
Speaker 6: you know. And it turns out like he's been struggling
Speaker 6: with panic attacks his whole lives and it's just something
Speaker 6: we never talked about and just you know, calling him
Speaker 6: and being like, hey, like, how are you opened up
Speaker 6: the door to have these like deeper conversations with these
Speaker 6: people I've been close with but have never really been
Speaker 6: vulnerable with.
Speaker 1: Bro do Yeah, that's the most vulnerable that I mean,
Speaker 1: not vulnerable. That's the most valuable fucking thing that you
Speaker 1: can do. If you're lucky enough to have people like
Speaker 1: that in your life. I mean, those people will just
Speaker 1: save your Assay, those people will save your ass if
Speaker 1: if if you're lucky enough to have him in your life.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's what I typically do when I'm
Speaker 1: going insane, as I call all of my friends and
Speaker 1: fans Emily and whatnot. Yes, when it's the most valuable
Speaker 1: thing you can have. Yeah, sorry, I drank a lot.
Speaker 1: I drank a lot of coffee before I started recording this,
Speaker 1: and it's been about an hour something and I think
Speaker 1: I'm getting to the point, you know, how like like,
Speaker 1: caffeine is just borrowing. It's really just borrowing energy. It's
Speaker 1: it's you can that you never can create energy. You
Speaker 1: can only well, I mean you can if you like
Speaker 1: eat lettuce and salmon. But you know, caffeine is he's
Speaker 1: borrowed from the future. And I think I'm starting to
Speaker 1: arrive at the future. And I'm sorry that's happening in
Speaker 1: the middle of talking to you. But I just making
Speaker 1: that clear in case if I start mumbling and stuttering
Speaker 1: and making no sense, that's what's your again, Man, I'm cool.
Speaker 4: Cool.
Speaker 1: How old are you cool?
Speaker 6: I'm twenty five.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, this is cool. I think this is
Speaker 1: a good life experience. Probably you're learning how to be
Speaker 1: more vulnerable with the people who are already in your life.
Speaker 1: It's deepening your connections with them. Sounds like you're learning
Speaker 1: a lot. Sounds like you're having making good skills. Again,
Speaker 1: it's if you told me that you were coping by
Speaker 1: you know, getting fucked up. There's worse ways to do it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I try to go outside and smell air,
Speaker 6: look at trees. It's really nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Life is pretty uh pretty, it's pretty crazy. It's
Speaker 1: pretty coral. I'm gonna say it, and you know what,
Speaker 1: I don't I say it's I really mean it every
Speaker 1: time I say it. I've never I've met you know what,
Speaker 1: fucking Cole. I've never felt more in my fucking life.
Speaker 1: And I say this with so much confidence, and I
Speaker 1: mean it. I've never felt more. With every day older
Speaker 1: I get that life is crazy. If I say that,
Speaker 1: not it's not even a catchphrase any I just mean
Speaker 1: it and I feel it, and I I just I
Speaker 1: just I just think life is crazy and I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but I'm also not because it is.
Speaker 6: Do you think that's part of the human experience that
Speaker 6: everyone experiences, that gradual increase of craziness.
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 6: Do you think there's a certain path that allowed you
Speaker 6: to have this clarity?
Speaker 1: I think, I think, I'm I think, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think I've been very uh lucky in my life to
Speaker 1: experience that, to to feel like life is crazy. But
Speaker 1: I also think think that you don't need a lot
Speaker 1: to feel like life is. I mean, I like sitting,
Speaker 1: if you're like having, you know, sitting at a standing
Speaker 1: like you could go into a convenience store and buy
Speaker 1: a bottle of water and stand outside and drink it.
Speaker 1: And and look around and be like, whoa life is crazy?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: You know it's not a lot.
Speaker 6: I don't you're talking. I have an experience every time
Speaker 6: I go to a gas station and I'm like waiting
Speaker 6: for my gas to finish, and I look around, I'm like,
Speaker 6: this is a gas station.
Speaker 1: What is this fucking podcast anymore?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm doing anymore? Are you all right?
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 1: Cole? I'm glad you know what, Cole. I'm not worried
Speaker 1: about you. I think you're gonna be all right. I'm
Speaker 1: not worried about you.
Speaker 6: I really appreciate that. Can I tak one more thing?
Speaker 6: When I started listening to the podcast, I was still
Speaker 6: looking for love, and I had this habit of where,
Speaker 6: if I had I was lucky enough to meet up
Speaker 6: with someone off tender or whatever the fuck, I would
Speaker 6: like leave early because I like my own bed, and
Speaker 6: I'd hop in my car and I would turn on
Speaker 6: Therapy Get Go, and I would go buy a large
Speaker 6: milkshake and a large fry from Wiler Burger, and I
Speaker 6: would drink my milkshake and my eat my fry, and
Speaker 6: I'd listen to therapy. Gecko from my draft home.
Speaker 1: I am I'm happy.
Speaker 6: I don't know why I'm sharing that with you.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm I'm I'm happy to I'm happy
Speaker 1: to be part of your post sex driving home to
Speaker 1: get food. Ah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't want to say it that way.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 1: I'm on, I'm on. You know what that's I I'm
Speaker 1: really happy. I'm really honored to fit right into that
Speaker 1: little part of your life. That's a nice little place
Speaker 1: for me to be.
Speaker 6: I just want you to know there's no particular reason.
Speaker 6: It's just it happened and in it and it's stuck.
Speaker 1: Every time I come, I gotta listen to therapy, get
Speaker 1: go and drink a large milkshake. I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but it's my post coom routine. Yeah all right, Well
Speaker 1: you have a good rest of the night, Cole.
Speaker 6: You two while thank care bye.
Speaker 1: What a burger is good as hell? They have? I
Speaker 1: don't shit, I don't know if this is fat burger
Speaker 1: or what a burger? I think it's what a burger
Speaker 1: that has the Doctor Pepper milkshake. I'm a big fan
Speaker 1: of that Doctor Pepper milkshake.
Speaker 7: Goes on the line every night everything, And I was
Speaker 7: teaching you a loud look like but he's not really
Speaker 7: an expert.