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Speaker 2: Paulled in by Wilson for a touchdown.

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Speaker 4: Problem solved middle the.

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Speaker 1: Enzo pickoff Hizer White with the interception, The latest news

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Speaker 2: Touchdown Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 4: Oh that was nasty right there.

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Speaker 2: Rights slam the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: Can I just say right out of the gates, Darren,

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Speaker 2: you may or may not like, this doesn't matter because

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Speaker 2: I'm going right here off the top of Cardinals Underground,

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Speaker 2: a major content provider and Danny, you can define that

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Speaker 2: however you want.

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Speaker 4: Danny was just going to point to herself it's good.

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Speaker 2: If you scan the media landscape and you don't see

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Speaker 2: a mock draft for that day, then you need to

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Speaker 2: fill that boy, or that's an epic fail in your

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Speaker 2: strategy department. There's such an insatiable appetite for these mock drafts.

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Speaker 2: I don't care what your opinion might be at the

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Speaker 2: mock drafts, Darren urban that boy needs to be filled

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Speaker 2: on a daily basis between now and the draft twenty

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Speaker 3: That's a lot. I will say, Darren loves himself a

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Speaker 3: mock draft because I guess not.

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Speaker 4: Other people's body.

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Speaker 3: The Cardinals, just the Cardinals.

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Speaker 2: No, but I mean, like one sounds kind of that

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Speaker 2: sounds kind of pretentious.

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Speaker 4: Well, it surely is poly click bait. But I'm a

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Speaker 4: pro football folk.

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Speaker 2: I'm moving back in my face.

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Speaker 4: The Pro Football Focus mock simulator. Yes, I've gotten a

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Speaker 4: little obsessed with it. Even my son was saw me

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Speaker 4: on the couch last the other night when we were

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Speaker 4: watching the Suns and I started doing another one, and

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Speaker 4: he looked at me and he goes, you're doing another.

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Speaker 3: One of those, your son, and I can relate, Darren.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait till I send the whole folder of

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Speaker 4: all of my mock drafts to Danny right before the draft.

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Speaker 2: But wait a minute, Okay, I know the hit right

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Speaker 2: in these mock drafts typically is like two out of

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Speaker 2: thirty two picks. It's usually the average, which is beyond abysmal.

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Speaker 2: But do you take any substance from the fact that

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Speaker 2: the return for trading away number four seems to be increasing?

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Speaker 2: The most recent one from the Athletic by the Way, says, yes,

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Speaker 2: Minnesota's gonna have to give up eleven and twenty three

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Speaker 4: See for me, I don't nobody knows that this. Nobody

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Speaker 4: just like nobody knows who's gonna get picked where. To me,

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Speaker 4: the point of substance, I mean, the way the simulator

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Speaker 4: with and make all these trades that were never gonna happen.

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Speaker 4: But for me, the biggest actual reason that I like

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Speaker 4: going through these mock drafts and you're seeing these names

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Speaker 3: The mock drafts with a grain of salt when you're

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Speaker 2: So consider between the two of you, you've done some

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Speaker 4: Not on the Pro Football Focus one. No, it's still and.

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Speaker 2: It's simulators still giving to the same return.

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Speaker 4: at four there's like, I don't know, eight teams that

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Speaker 2: So am I putting you on the spot? If I asked,

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Speaker 2: what do you get for going from four to six?

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Speaker 4: It was I think a lot of times I end

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Speaker 2: People, You know what, No Marvin Harrison on the board

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Speaker 2: at seven. Yeah, I mean, that's that violates the whole

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Speaker 2: just not that's not feasible, plausible, absolutely no chance whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: So here's the athletic mock draft, Danny, because I know

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Speaker 2: you're dying to know. Sure, am, Cardinals trade number four

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Speaker 2: to Minnesota, they take JJ McCarthy. Once again, let there

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Speaker 2: corner out of Alabama. Absolutely plausible, no doubt. At twenty

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Speaker 2: three they take Brian Thomas Junior. Yes, they need a receiver.

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Speaker 2: They take a receiver at number twenty seven. Here's the

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Speaker 2: new name release for me that I haven't seen. Gerson Newton,

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Speaker 2: the d lineman out of Illinois.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think one of the reasons you haven't seen

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Speaker 4: twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: Really okay? And then edgarn Cooper, who I'm familiar with,

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Speaker 2: the A and M inside linebacker who pound for pound

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Speaker 2: might be the toughest, nastiest dude in this draft. They

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Speaker 2: have him going to the Cardinals at thirty five, an

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Speaker 2: off ball linebacker in inside linebacker in the second round.

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Speaker 2: H in the second round, which okay, So let's hit

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Speaker 2: zoom out here, because if you're Maniasipport, you have to

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Speaker 2: work a year ahead. Are you taking a running back

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Speaker 2: in this draft? Strictly because as Craig Grieolo pointed out

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Because beyond this and then at linebacker, guess what, Kaizier

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Speaker 2: White's in the second year of a two year deal.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't it be an under sleeper position and you

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Speaker 3: don't take it at thirty five? Are those Mike right?

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Speaker 3: Can it be a sleeper position? And I don't have

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Speaker 2: But because that position just put my finger to the wind,

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Speaker 2: Inside linebacker, I would say that if this guy really

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Speaker 2: and if you were to get him at thirty five.

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Speaker 4: I agree, Like again, considering the.

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Speaker 2: Brand of ball that JG wants to play, and he's nasty.

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Speaker 4: First of all, I want to apologize for all those

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Speaker 4: who keep writing into me and telling me how Paul

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Speaker 4: Calvicy is stupid for keeping bringing up all the trade

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Speaker 3: Why it could happen to me mine? You wouldn't say

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Speaker 2: Well they might, but did you have to throw the

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Speaker 2: word all like all those people like you know, there's.

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Speaker 4: There's been multiple people. Okay, now, unfortunately it's because you're

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Speaker 4: implausible now getting what Mania support did last year exactly.

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Speaker 4: I will say that the off ball linebacker would be interesting.

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Speaker 4: But again I'm gonna say this about all these people

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Speaker 4: and you here's a good example. If you are somebody

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Speaker 4: who are saying, for instance, this team would be dumb

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Speaker 4: to pass on Marvin Harrison at four because X, Y

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Speaker 4: and Z and he's generational blah blah blah blah. You

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Speaker 3: That's the give and take of every draft, not just

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Speaker 4: I want to take some of the heat off Paul. Here. Wow,

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm going to name four names, and I

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Speaker 2: Relevance Okay, that's sort of broad term, but here we go.

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Speaker 3: Spotlights on you, Paul, Okay, and I.

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Speaker 2: Have something to say about the inside linebackers, so don't

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Speaker 4: Here we go. Peter Warwick, Charles Rogers, oh boy, justin Blackman,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all top five bus.

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Speaker 4: All top five wide receiver buss.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. In fact, don't make me match that with my

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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase fifth, Okay, we'll give you, We'll give you,

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Speaker 2: So when the whole trade scenario came up, and I

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Speaker 2: more than eleven and twenty three. I need that round

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Speaker 4: Is he sticking it to the Vikings by bringing that up.

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Speaker 2: And then he threw in, then he threw in. If

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Speaker 2: not that round one pick. If I'm the Cardinals, I

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Speaker 4: Yes you do. We get that you would have a

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Speaker 2: But you know what, you don't have a bust in

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Speaker 2: the top five receiver busts that have been chronic receiver

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Speaker 2: Week one. If you go for Justin Jefferson, yes you

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Speaker 4: It's funny because I remember Jerry Sullivan in his second

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Speaker 2: Three years ago because he's coming up, he's going to

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Speaker 4: Maybe it was the Isaiah Simmons draft. Whichever it was,

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Speaker 4: I remember thinking, I remember talking to Jerry Sullivan saying,

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Speaker 4: is going to be great now. Jerry Sullivan before he

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Speaker 4: he had some personal but he was right Justin Jefferson,

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Speaker 4: LSU churning out some good receivers. I almost said to him.

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Speaker 2: By the way, he went number twenty two overall in

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Speaker 4: Okay, so that was the Isaiah Simmons drafty. But again

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Speaker 4: the Cardinals still had fits. They still had Christian Kirk,

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Speaker 2: So and the Isaiah Simmons takes us back to the

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Speaker 2: Simmons workout at number eight? Absolutely not. Did you have

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Speaker 2: you did. The next year he took Zavion Collins, who

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Speaker 2: I get it, but don't minimize the impact that Fred

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Speaker 4: Well, that's why Steve Kim at the time wanted to

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Speaker 2: Because Tampa had just won the Super Bowl and for

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Speaker 2: you can't tell me that Steve Kim at the time

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Speaker 3: I think that's fair. It's it's a good and intriguing

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Speaker 3: also makes sense to trade down in my opinion, and

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Speaker 3: why that might not be the most pressing need this year,

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Speaker 3: great point, Paul, that they could a linebacker who is

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Speaker 2: Cardinals defense wasn't nearly the same in my opinion after

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Speaker 2: Kaiser White was injured. Agreed, so, but then again, you

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Speaker 2: But once again, these gms work a year ahead of times.

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Speaker 2: So with that in mind, to what degree do you

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Speaker 3: I think it absolutely is. James Connor is going into

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Speaker 2: I mean, for everything that Michael Carter is, you're not

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Speaker 4: That's what makes me hesitate on this. In terms of

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Speaker 2: Well, and if you're looking at okay, you wait this

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Speaker 4: The truck exactly.

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Speaker 2: If there's one position group, yeah, you can take it.

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Speaker 4: And you never know who's going to be on the

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Speaker 2: No, you're right.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, we saw the running backs carousel this free agency.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think when you look at their room, it's

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Speaker 4: to do with you, Paul.

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Speaker 3: For a long time, so he goes from comment Paul, top.

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Speaker 4: thirty implies some kind of like hierarchy, and it's just

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Speaker 4: they get thirty visits.

439
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Speaker 2: True, that's true. You're right. It is a You're right,

440
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 2: it's thirty visits. It's not like top thirty and then

441
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Speaker 2: you get the next thirty.

442
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's like he's in our top thirty guys.

443
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Speaker 4: And I think that misleads some people.

444
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Speaker 2: Okay, so a thirty visit and uh the other some

445
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Speaker 2: of the other names that have come through recently if

446
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 2: you take a look at it, include like Latu Latu,

447
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 2: the edge guy, Dallas Turner. So there have been those guys.

448
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 2: There have been defensive tackles that have come through. By

449
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 2: the way, hard not to notice that the guy drafted

450
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,679
Speaker 2: just ahead of Isaiah Simmons in that draft, Derek Brown,

451
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 2: just got paid al grande by Carolina. In fact, that

452
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 2: has been a trend this offseason, has it, not edge

453
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 2: guys and defensive linemen getting big, big contracts. So once again,

454
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 2: for all you haters out there, I'm just saying that

455
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 2: there's a lot of receivers in this draft. You can

456
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Speaker 2: wait and take receiver end around one top round two.

457
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:35,719
Speaker 2: Can you wait on an edge or a defensive lineman. Hence,

458
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Speaker 2: if you are going to trade down from four, because

459
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Speaker 2: I do not believe that there's an edge or d

460
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Speaker 2: lineman worthy of number four. But I would agree with

461
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Speaker 2: that if you trade down from four, I think you

462
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 2: almost have to first and foremost consider defensive front at eleven,

463
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 2: twelve or thirteen. Let's just say that's where you end

464
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 2: up and then wait for receiver later because supply exists

465
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 2: with the receivers and it does not exist with those

466
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,199
Speaker 2: defensive lineman and an edge guys. I would agree with that,

467
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 2: and it's almost reverse engineering.

468
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Speaker 4: And I do and again, I this is going to

469
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Speaker 4: irritate greatly at a vast majority of listeners here, But

470
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Speaker 4: I do think that if you choose not to go

471
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Speaker 4: after especially one of those top three receivers, I think

472
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Speaker 4: there's going to be almost all of them there when

473
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Speaker 4: whether you're picking a twenty three or twenty seven, because

474
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Speaker 4: I think you're gonna end up you're gonna have a

475
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Speaker 4: run on defensive players, I think. And then I think

476
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 4: you're gonna have a run on tackles, which Cardinals might

477
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 4: want to get in on that too, But like, I

478
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 4: think that's going to fill up the middle part of

479
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Speaker 4: the round. First round. In my opinion, here's the other thing.

480
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Speaker 2: I mean, some of these names I'm gonna rattle off

481
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: in other years, more pedestrian years for receiver, these guys

482
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Speaker 2: would be first round picks, like a d Mitchell six

483
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 2: two two o five four three four forty. We talk

484
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Speaker 2: about Brian Thomas, he's been wide receiver rising the three

485
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 2: three forty six y three nearly. You got guys like

486
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Speaker 2: Keon Coleman, Xavier Lagedete out of South Carolina, whos a

487
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 2: Deebo Samuel DJ Moore type. I mean, there's a lot

488
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 2: of really talented dudes, the lad mcconkey's and Ricky Piersoll's

489
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: and even Troy Franklin, the number one receiver out of Oregon,

490
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 2: who's nearly sixty three and he was bow Nix's guy.

491
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Speaker 2: I there's just there's a lot of talent at that position.

492
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Speaker 2: And once again justin Jefferson the latest example at number

493
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Speaker 2: twenty two and might be the best receiver in the game.

494
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Speaker 3: The most important thing is that you draft a wide

495
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Speaker 3: receiver that can come and be a starter. That that,

496
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Speaker 3: to me, is regardless of where you're taking them. It

497
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Speaker 3: can't be a situation where okay, like yeah, they might

498
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 3: need a little bit of time, or they could be

499
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Speaker 3: like a one, B or two receiver. It's very clear

500
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 3: that this team is missing a true number one receiver.

501
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 3: That's that's what you have to hit on. And even

502
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 3: if that happens a little later the twenty three twenty

503
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Speaker 3: seven range, we haven't really talked about the pro of

504
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 3: trading up one of those, you know, the second pick,

505
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 3: or if they trade down or anything like that. I

506
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 3: do think that you can still get a very impactful

507
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 3: starting wide receiver when you draft a little bit lower.

508
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Speaker 3: That's just the key to me is I don't know

509
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 3: that this is a position that you can really wait

510
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 3: past maybe thirty five that topic at the second round,

511
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Speaker 3: I will.

512
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Speaker 4: I do think that Cardinals need a starter. I don't

513
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 4: think there's any question about that, a starting receiver. I

514
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,959
Speaker 4: think with the Trey McBride thing in the way, this

515
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 4: offense kind of unfolded. I don't know if you have

516
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 4: to have the number one target on your passing offense

517
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 4: be this guy. And that makes it a little bit.

518
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Speaker 4: I think it gives Monty asipfort a little bit more

519
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 4: of a flexibility, let's say, because not everybody, even if

520
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 4: they're going to be good, is necessarily going to drop

521
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 4: in and be unbelievable. I mean, Larry Fitzgerald's rookie year

522
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 4: was solid, but it wasn't knowing was writing all this

523
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 4: guy's going to the Hall of Fame.

524
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:03,959
Speaker 2: That's good word for it.

525
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 4: Solid And so what kind of patience does the team

526
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 4: have for that in this situation with a receiver? What

527
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 4: kind of patience not that it matters in the long run,

528
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 4: what kind of patience does the fan base have with that?

529
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 4: If you get a guy at twenty three or twenty

530
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Speaker 4: seven or thirty five or whatever it might be, and

531
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Speaker 4: he's solid this year, and you play better football and

532
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 4: then he ends up trending up? Is everybody going to

533
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 4: be pulling their hair out if Marvin Harrison's out there

534
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 4: getting thirteen hundred yards?

535
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Speaker 2: I mean, the Houston Texans traded a second round pick

536
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 2: to Buffalo for Stefan Dix.

537
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Speaker 4: Well one year is Stephan Dicks.

538
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Speaker 2: Why it's a loaded wide receiver draft? Well, may I

539
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: surmise because he's plug and play, he's proven. You know

540
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 2: what you have day one. He goes in there, he

541
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 2: has the experience, he has the production, and you don't

542
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 2: have to wait on his development to your point, for

543
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 2: a receiver to go through that learning curve. Now, tang

544
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: Dell was head of the curve for the Houston Texans.

545
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 2: He was really impressive in that game Cardinals played in Houston.

546
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: But if you're Houston and you're thinking, all right, we

547
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: just want a playoff game and we have a chance

548
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: to compete, I don't want to wait for a rookie receiver,

549
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 2: so they go after Stefan Diggs. To me, that would

550
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: be a positive. With Justin Jefferson, don't have to worry

551
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: about whether he might be a bust, whether there might

552
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: be a two year learning curve. He is just automatic boom.

553
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 2: He's going to double coverage week one, and so that's

554
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 2: what's appealing to me on that front. By the way, why.

555
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 4: I'm curious, why would the Vikings trade Justin Jefferson their

556
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 4: quarterback desperate?

557
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 3: So what would that in your mind? Would that be

558
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 3: an even swap? Cardinals move from four to eleven and

559
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 3: get Justin Jefferson and that's it, or.

560
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 2: You get eleven and twenty three loust Justin Jefferson.

561
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 4: Because as if I'm the Vikings, I'm trading, I'd rather

562
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 4: trade next year's first round pick of a player that

563
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 4: you don't know if they're going to be any good,

564
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 4: then I'm trading the best in the game.

565
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 2: And that's great, MANI says, Okay, well, you hang on

566
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: line four because I've got Denver and I got Vegas,

567
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 2: and I have the Giants in lines one, two, and three.

568
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 4: Again. I And I was talking to somebody this morning

569
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 4: in the office about this, somebody on the sales side,

570
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 4: and they were talking about potential trades, and I'm like,

571
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 4: people need and I know we've talked about this a

572
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 4: million times. Nothing is going to happen until we get

573
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 4: to draft night. It makes no sense for the Cardinals,

574
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 4: and it makes no sense to whoever would trade into

575
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 4: number four, no sense at all, because the people that

576
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 4: want to trade up all those early picks are going

577
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 4: to be quarterbacks and it makes no sense to make

578
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 4: that trade if you don't know who's gonna be on

579
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 4: the board. It's malfeasance. I will argue to trade up

580
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 4: without knowing who's on the board.

581
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Speaker 2: But what what if? What if? All right, you like

582
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: to push back over here, so we're going to push

583
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: back the other way, Danny. What if Mania Austin Ford

584
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: gets his Trey Lance deal? What if he gets three

585
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: kind of three first round picks, because that Trey Lance

586
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: deal was executed a good month away out before the draft,

587
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: where the Niners moved up with Miami right and Mimi

588
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: pulled the trigger because we got three first round picks

589
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 2: before they get buyer's remorse. We'll take that, and they

590
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: traded out of that spot a month before they were

591
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: on the clock.

592
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 4: Well, again, I'm right now, I'm thinking, I'm not necessarily

593
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 4: saying Monty doesn't make the move, but like, why would

594
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 4: anybody trade two four a month out? In that particular case,

595
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 4: San Francisco knew And I don't know if they liked

596
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 4: Mac Jones and then went to Trey Lance late or

597
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 4: if they always liked Trey Lance. They pretty much always

598
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 4: knew one of those two guys were going to be there.

599
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 4: And I'm telling you right now, you don't know who's

600
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 4: going to be there at four because the top three

601
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 4: teams all want quarterbacks.

602
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: Could I say, if you're Denver.

603
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 4: And say whatever you want if your podcast, if.

604
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: You're Denver and you're really thinking about starting this season

605
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: with Jared Stidham, you will not get a primetime game.

606
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 4: And I'm sure Sean Payton is sitting his office, going, man,

607
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 4: if we don't get a primetime it's.

608
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Speaker 2: Just my that's my way of saying that you're not

609
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: a factor this coming season. If you're starting the season

610
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 2: with Jared'stidham, how do you get that fan base reinvigorated,

611
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: reinvested in Denver? I mean, are you really coming out

612
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: of the gates with Jared Stidham. I guess what I'm

613
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: saying is Denver there's some serious urgency there to get

614
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: a quarterback.

615
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Speaker 4: What is Denver giving you? I don't think Denver should

616
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 4: give you a package that's worth what.

617
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Speaker 2: Do they have left?

618
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 4: You're right, they don't.

619
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Speaker 2: You're right, and they I think they're a non factor

620
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: and they probably won't part with Patrick Surtan, although that

621
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: would be my first ask, it would.

622
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Speaker 3: It'll be interesting too. Are we sure that Chargers are

623
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: staying at five?

624
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: Good point? They might be the one team more in

625
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: need of wide receiver one than the Arizona Cardinals.

626
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Speaker 3: I think, I think the Charge But if one of these,

627
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: one of these teams in the eleven to thirteen range

628
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 3: is trying to get ahead of New York at six,

629
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Speaker 3: I mean, I see.

630
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Speaker 4: I think the Chargers situation is going to be dependent

631
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 4: on the Cardinals. So if the Cardinals stick and pick

632
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 4: and take a non quarterback, then I think the Chargers

633
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 4: are absolutely open for business.

634
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 2: Here's the other thing that we tend to forget about

635
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh. He is run first, second, and third based

636
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: on his tenure with the forty nine Ers, and we

637
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: got a dose of it twice a year for how

638
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: many years when he was the head coach of the

639
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: forty nine ers. Here comes Frank Gore thirty times a

640
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: game between the tackles, and he's already building that team

641
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: with that in mind. So for all the smoke and mirrors,

642
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: the Chargers are going to go with a receiver at five?

643
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: What if they go Joe Walt? What if they go

644
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: all line? Because the same question I throw out there,

645
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: and it's a genuine question, I don't have the answer

646
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: when I say, how much does Money Osibor and Jonathan

647
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: Ganning even value the receiver position? Do they even attach

648
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: number four overall the receiver? I think the same could

649
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: be said for Jim Harbaugh. Everything coming out of the

650
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: Chargers camp, And by the way, they're already practicing because

651
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: it's a new head coach, they're doing the offseason, whatever

652
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: the terminology is. This time of year, there's a bunch

653
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: Chargers players in the media talking about how Harbaugh has

654
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: gone heavy handed with all the physicality that he's going

655
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Speaker 2: to institute with the Chargers. It's going to be a

656
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: completely different brand of ball with the LA Chargers, who,

657
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: by the way, are on the Cardinals schedule this year

658
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: coming to State Farm Stadium. So I guess I threw

659
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: out there that we think we know to your point

660
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: last year or last week about Will Levis right this

661
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 2: time a year ago, I was like, oh, will Levis

662
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: top five? Then he goes round two. Do we really

663
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: know what Jim Harbaugh is going to do? All we

664
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: know about Jim Harbor is based only can you name

665
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: who is number one and number two? Receivers were from

666
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: those forty nine er teams that went to the NFC

667
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: Championship Game three years in a row the Jim Harbaugh era.

668
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: Even remember who his receivers were? What years were forty

669
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: nine ers when Harball was head coach of the Niners.

670
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: Who were his top receivers? I can't even remember remember.

671
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 4: I don't know. I will say this, it was funny.

672
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 4: Somebody brought up the Draft party being announced, and the

673
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 4: idea that trading four wouldn't go over very well, let's

674
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 4: put it that way. And I'm thinking to myself, if

675
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 4: you end up with a trade where you get out

676
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 4: of four, but you get two first round picks this year,

677
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 4: plus the third one which you already have, the twenty seven,

678
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 4: and in a first round next year, I'm like, the

679
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 4: fans really going to be that upset about it. Three

680
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 4: first round picks. It's going to be really, really damn

681
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 4: busy around here on Friday.

682
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: But as well, look as someone who's hosted the draft

683
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: party for many years, and as Keyster's been blown in

684
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: the win last couple of years with trades, was there

685
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: some of that reaction when the Cardinals traded out at

686
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: number three last year?

687
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 4: Sure?

688
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: But then forty five minutes later, Oh wait a minute,

689
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: Cardinals are moving up to number six, and they got

690
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: the best tackle in the draft and the best tackle

691
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: to come out of Ohio State since Orlando Pace, the

692
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: first ballot Hall of Famer. All of a sudden, the

693
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: excitement redlined. So yes, there's there's sort of the up

694
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: in the down. You know, fans are wondering, But that's

695
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 2: what makes it intriguing. It's in real time. It's reality TV.

696
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: That is, it is truly happening before your eyes. So

697
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 2: that's why people show up.

698
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 3: Well, don't leave the fans hang in, Paul, Why don't

699
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 3: you share the draft party of while we're on it.

700
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 3: You're the one who's gonna be there. It's all about you.

701
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 4: Yeah. No.

702
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 2: The doors open at four, draft starts at five. As

703
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: we know, they put massive jumbo tron screens on either

704
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: side of the stage is out on the Great Lawn,

705
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: so you're following along the draft. And by the way,

706
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: do you realize the draft is televised by four entities

707
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: this year. It's on ABC, ESPN, NFL Network and ESPN Deportek.

708
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 2: So on TV, we'll get to the whole.

709
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: That's what you're watching in the media workroom, Darren.

710
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: So boom, come on out. It's free. You have to

711
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: sign up ahead of time. Go to a Zycardinals dot com.

712
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: You have to sign up and you're allowed four passes.

713
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 2: I think per what it explained, all right, there Azycardinals

714
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 2: dot com slash draft party. So you can have Cardinals

715
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 2: players out there, cheerleaders, big red tons of food and

716
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 2: beverage all for purchase. There's gonna be fireworks at the

717
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 2: conclusion of the event. It's good time. Really well done.

718
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 3: You're the host.

719
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: Well, we get the ball to the playmakers, all right,

720
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: we do boom, We bring on the coaches, the players.

721
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 2: The interview usually knock on wood. The first interview with

722
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 2: a first round pick happens at the draft party via

723
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Speaker 2: uplink which first round pick pull? That's see now, Darren,

724
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: you're not the only one who's gonna be busy, not

725
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: gonna be the only one who's gonna be busy. Okay.

726
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 2: Once again, the words that Josh Rosen utter there were

727
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: nine mistakes made ahead of me, were first said at

728
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 2: the Cardinals draft party twenty nineteen eighteen, twenty eighteen.

729
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 3: So had on out there, No there you go.

730
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 2: By the way, speaking of the NCAA and State Farm Stadium,

731
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: there was a headline. Where was it? It was? Somebody

732
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: tweeted it out and it was was Perdue's final four win,

733
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: the loudest State Farms Dadium has ever been And thank

734
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 2: you because I laughed as well. Come on, man, that's

735
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: a definitive no.

736
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 4: We were down there in the field when they won

737
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 4: the NFC championship Paul exactly.

738
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 2: It doesn't get any louder than the NFC Championship. So

739
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: I don't know who was responsible.

740
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 4: Funny that it gets brought up because like all I

741
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 4: keep hearing was that it was kind of muted. The

742
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 4: whole final.

743
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 2: Four week really interesting, Okay, just in general.

744
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 4: Okay, so I don't know nearly when wasn't the Women's Final.

745
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: I was exciting to watch. Isn't the women's coming here

746
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 3: in the next couple of years?

747
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: I think you're right on that. Yes, yeah, that's that

748
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: sound six ish mm hmm. So, by the way, the

749
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 2: Yukon students who last year took down a light pole

750
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 2: and used it as a battering ram to bash through

751
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 2: the student union after winning this year in Connecticut in

752
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: Connecticut and the Yukon yeah they this year. I guess they

753
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: took down street signs, so like you know, stop signs,

754
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 2: other street signs and use that as a as a

755
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: battering ram around towns. So yeah, so okay, times, you know,

756
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: I'd like to be a parent. You get a call

757
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: from your kid and you just got expelled. There were

758
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: a half dozen students I saw who were expelled last year,

759
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: three of whom were about a month out from graduation.

760
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 2: That'll hurt, that'll leave Mark. There's there's no doubt about that, Darren.

761
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 2: You know, if it's not the mock drafts. You know

762
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: what gets my I hear these days is when you

763
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 2: see these stories. Here's one nine teams that most need

764
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: to ace their picks is NFL dot Com.

765
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 4: All the other.

766
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: Teams don't have doesn't really.

767
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: Matter, you know the Chiefs.

768
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: So here it is. Here's their power poll up. Teams

769
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: most in need to nail their picks in this draft.

770
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: Number one Denver, number two Chicago because they pick one

771
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: to nine. Three Minnesota they have eleven and twenty three,

772
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 2: four Washington, five, Arizona, and then you go six, seven, eight, nine,

773
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: New England, Buffalo, the Giants, the Chargers, So.

774
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 4: Really most of the teams at the beginning of the

775
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 4: draft because are the worst teams.

776
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: So with the exception in Denver, which goes from picking

777
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 2: twelve to number one in their power pole, is most

778
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: needing to ace their picks A because they don't have

779
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 2: many left. Yeah, after trading Way and the Russell Wilson fiasco.

780
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: And number two they don't have a quarterback, so they

781
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 2: need to figure that out as well.

782
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 4: I'm just to touch on that real briefly. I a

783
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 4: believe you believe in what you're saying when you say

784
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 4: Denver desperately needs a quarterback.

785
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: I also.

786
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 4: Believe, in my heart of hearts that if there is

787
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 4: a coach who is gonna say, f U I can

788
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 4: win with Jared Stidham, it could be.

789
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 2: It could be. Yeah, you're you're right. I mean, there's

790
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 2: no doubt about that one. Look, here's the other thing

791
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: about when you look at this draft. I mean, for example,

792
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 2: I think Seattle's a sleeper for a quarterback, But is

793
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: Michael Pennock's going to make it all the way to sixteen?

794
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: Good bone nicks end up? If you work in a

795
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,479
Speaker 2: year ahead, what is John Schneider doing at quarterback behind

796
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: Geno Smith long term? And don't give me Sam Howell

797
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: in Seattle right now? So I think there is a

798
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 2: lot still to be determined on that one.

799
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 4: But if you're Seattle, are you, I don't know? I mean,

800
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 4: I guess if you believe in them, you believe in them.

801
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 4: I mean, we're right now we're talking about what you're

802
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 4: just talking about. You're talking about not only six quarterbacks

803
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 4: going in the first round, which is a lot. But

804
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 4: you're talking about if he's there at you're talking about

805
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 4: six quarterbacks potentially going in the top fifteen. I don't

806
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 4: think that's going to happen. I think we talk about

807
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 4: that every year, how it's going to happen, and then

808
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 4: it doesn't happen.

809
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: Okay, By the way, I did look up. We had

810
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: the discussion last week about free agent cornerbacks that could

811
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: be available. Let's say the Cardinals take Marvin Harrison Junior

812
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 2: at number four. Okay, I pause as the Red Sea celebrates,

813
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: and then they end up going, you know, with another

814
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 2: position at twenty seven, no trades, and with their two picks. Okay,

815
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: guess what they're without cornerback one when this draft ends.

816
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 4: Guess what.

817
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: Stefan Gilmour is still out there. Yes, he's aged thirty three,

818
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 2: but he started seventeen to seventeen games last year for Dallas.

819
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 2: Stephen Nelson is out there. Starter for Houston a year ago,

820
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: started sixteen to seventeen games, had four picks, twelve passes defense.

821
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: He's aged thirty one. He'll get a one year deal.

822
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: Dorri Jackson, twenty eight year old. Last year with the

823
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: Giants was their number one corner.

824
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 4: Was he not in Tennessee with Monty at one point.

825
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: I think you could be right on that, So keep

826
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Speaker 2: him on the radar. And then the Rams' best corner

827
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 2: last year is now is still a free agent, Akello Witherspoon.

828
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: He was pretty decent last year and those two games

829
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Speaker 2: Cardinals played against Witherspoon, he's hard to miss. He's six

830
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 2: to two. You stand on the fielder're like, that's a

831
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: big dude playing corner. Six two one ninety five started

832
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 2: all seventeen games. So every one of these free agents

833
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: as a track record of durability reliability, which has been

834
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: a staple. And MANI free agents sign. Those guys are

835
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: out there and I'm guessing they will be out there

836
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 2: until after the draft, and then somebody might pounce. So

837
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be shocked if that's on his radar.

838
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 4: There will be like a second round of free agency,

839
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 4: and for some of those veterans it might take a

840
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 4: lot longer. I was reading a great story about Jadavian

841
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 4: Clowney and I forgot that he had basically blown up

842
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 4: his knee his first game in the NFL, and so

843
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 4: it has always been kind of recovering and We always

844
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 4: kind of joke about Jadavian Clowney because it seems like

845
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 4: he's a free agent every offseason. But he's done a

846
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 4: nice job of maximizing his money. And what I didn't

847
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 4: even realize is I think he's only been to like

848
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 4: two or three training camps his whole career because he

849
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 4: usually doesn't sign until he gets to skip training camp.

850
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 4: I'm like, that's just smart living.

851
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good, that's good. Well, you know what, he

852
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: looked good in the playoffs too, Jadevian Clowney. I thought

853
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: he played some pretty good ball in the postseason. By

854
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: the way, here was the stinking quota I was looking

855
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: for from Jim Harbaugh and that physical team thing, which

856
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 2: reminded me of Jonathan Ganning what he's instituting right the

857
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 2: tight end. Hayden Hurst, who played for John Harbaugh, was

858
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: talking about how Jim Harbaugh got up and told everyone,

859
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: we want to out physical teams. We want teams to

860
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: fear us, we want teams to end up giving in

861
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter. Harbaugh's answer to the media when

862
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: asked about that is, my first goal is to make

863
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: you as a player harder to break. So he's been

864
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: instituting certain things as head coach. I'm like that sounds

865
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: a lot like the style of ball Jonathan Gannon.

866
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Speaker 4: Has there ever been a coach that has come in

867
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 4: and said, you know what, if you want to be physical,

868
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 4: that's cool.

869
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 3: But if not, no worries.

870
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 4: If we're not that physical, it's not that big of answer.

871
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: Okay, let's keep it real. Wasn't Cliff Kingsbury accused of

872
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: being that guy? Wasn't all that concern with physicality?

873
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's good rebuttal, I'm just throwing.

874
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 2: That out there. So look, I just think that's all

875
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 2: part of the equation. We had Derek LeBlanc sitting right there,

876
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: Cardinals d line coach. He's pointing at me for the

877
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: Big Red Rage. And you might have seen some of

878
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: the video clips are out there. He's sitting right there

879
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: and just talking about you know what, Sure, these defensive

880
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: linemen need to have the measurables. So but first and foremost,

881
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: in my opinion, they need to be willing to stick

882
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 2: their face mask in there. They need that element of toughness.

883
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 2: And I asked Kyle Vannaboscher on the Red Sea Report,

884
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: if I give you film of college players of free

885
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: agent NFL defensivelignment. Could you tell could you ascertain whether

886
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: they were quote a tough guy or tough enough to

887
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: be part? Said absolutely. Just watch their effort level when

888
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 2: the game's already decided. Watch their effort level when the

889
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 2: ball's not going to their side of the field. See

890
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 2: watch the tenacity with which they go after offensive linemen.

891
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 2: So interesting, you know, the value system perhaps that they're

892
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 2: gonna put in place like a ball Nichols and Justin Jones.

893
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: I never would have forecasted they signed with the Cardinals,

894
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 2: but I'm guessing those two guys check those two boxes.

895
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 4: What always troubles me with this subject is I would

896
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 4: agree with you if you if you're an expert in

897
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 4: the game, like KVB was saying, like you should be

898
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 4: able to see that, right, So why would you ever

899
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 4: sign somebody who's not that I don't And I've covered

900
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 4: this team for what twenty five years whatever stupid amount

901
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 4: it's been like, there have been plenty of players where

902
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 4: like they've walked in. I'm like, yeah, I can kind

903
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 4: of like and just see from your personality you're not

904
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 4: you're not going to stick your face in the fan

905
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 4: like I don't I don't understand why teams would do

906
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 4: that or draft them.

907
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 3: Well, but players like that end up on teams. You're right,

908
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 3: So the players good enough to help you in games

909
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 3: are good enough when you're in close games. You just

910
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 3: know that. Yeah, maybe when the game is lost, I

911
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 3: mean Cardinals, Yeah, I don't want to get in trouble.

912
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 4: Don't get in trouble. We don't. We don't want to

913
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 4: get you in troubles.

914
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look at a Chase Young, right, I

915
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 3: knew that was coming out of your mouth.

916
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: Pall, Okay, do he use a former number two pick overall?

917
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 3: Yep, you're talking about you're talking about the Super Bowl game.

918
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 3: Is that clip of him?

919
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: Yes? So, I mean he got finish. I mean he

920
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: checked every other box. He was the number two pick overall.

921
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 4: But now, I do think part of it has to

922
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 4: do with the fact that, just like anything else, coaches

923
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 4: think if I get.

924
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 3: Him, if you're good enough, when you're good with.

925
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: Sure, Well, the other point I should be fair at

926
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: KVB said, you know, I'm not necessarily looking at the

927
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 2: ceiling as much as I'm looking at the floor in

928
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 2: their career. So I'll throw out we're in the trust Tree.

929
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 2: Here we go. Jordan Phillips.

930
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's obviously one we think about.

931
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 2: Free agent year with Buffalo. Had a great free agent year.

932
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 2: But if you look at the first three years, nearly

933
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 2: match the production he had in his free agent year,

934
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: and then he cashed that in two year, big money

935
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 2: deal with the Cardinals and he reverted right back. It

936
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 2: was first couple of years in the league. So there's

937
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: that aspect of it. So I just you know, once again,

938
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 2: I just thrown that out there for consideration as you

939
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: try and forecast what exactly is going to happen now

940
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: speaking to some of these free agents and so forth. Darren,

941
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: what's happening on Monday with certain the veterans.

942
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 4: Well, it's anybody on Monday. So we record this, we

943
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 4: record this on Tuesday, so before we record again on

944
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 4: the fifteenth, the Cardinals are going to start start their

945
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 4: off season program, which starts with the Phase one Strength

946
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 4: and Conditioning, which basically just means they can come in

947
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 4: and work with the strength and conditioning coaches, only not

948
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 4: allowed to do stuff with the other coaches yet, can't

949
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 4: get a playbook, can't do any of that stuff. And

950
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 4: then they're weightlifting and they're conditioning out on the field

951
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 4: and getting started, and there's a couple weeks of that,

952
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 4: and then there'll be a couple of weeks of the

953
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 4: Phase two stuff, and then we get to OTA's and

954
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 4: we're going to be well into the off season work.

955
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,439
Speaker 4: But players are back in the building again. Voluntary, yeah,

956
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 4: and so you don't have to be here nothing for veterans.

957
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 4: There's nothing mandatory except for the mini camp at the

958
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 4: very end of OTAs, which is in mid June. Everything

959
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 4: else is voluntary now. A number of these players and

960
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 4: a lot of teams do this is now. And for instance,

961
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 4: Buddha Baker, when Budda Baker didn't show up for voluntary

962
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 4: stuff last year, obviously was looking to fix his contract.

963
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 4: They changed up his contract a little bit, and I

964
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 4: noticed there's quite a large amount of money tied to

965
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 4: showing up to the offseason work. Now now he doesn't

966
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 4: have to collect that if he doesn't want it, but

967
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 4: it's easy money if he does. And that's what a

968
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 4: lot of teams are dealing with players, especially the high

969
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 4: end players, as they're putting in their contracts workout bonuses.

970
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 4: Now I've read a story and I didn't get it.

971
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 4: It wasn't a name. Ross Tucker, the former offensive lineman

972
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,479
Speaker 4: who now does stuff out there. He wrote this really

973
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 4: interesting story that I thought, and I've always agreed with it,

974
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 4: but that's this is the kind of person I would

975
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 4: And he was like, I never understood any players that

976
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 4: didn't come to the voluntary stuff. It's easy money, I know.

977
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 4: He's like, not even talking about the workopp on its

978
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 4: is you get paid whatever it is, five hundred bucks

979
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 4: a week, free meals, and you're gonna be doing stuff

980
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 4: you were gonna be doing anyways, and oftentimes you were

981
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 4: gonna be paying people to do it with and instead

982
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 4: they're gonna pay you as little as it might be.

983
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 4: So he was always like, I don't understand why you

984
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 4: wouldn't just go. Obviously coaches want to see it, but

985
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 4: it's a big deal for the Players Association to have

986
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 4: everybody understand it is voluntary and if they don't come,

987
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 4: they don't come.

988
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 2: I think you'd be wearing t shirts with their number

989
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 2: and if we're looking for number four and Greg Dortch,

990
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: if he's there, that's my segue to Greg Dortch.

991
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 4: Oh, that was really tough.

992
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 2: You know they wearing you know, we'll see from all indications, right, Danny,

993
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 2: he's changed his number to number four.

994
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 3: I saw a pretty cruel comment when he posted that

995
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 3: on his Instagram of took the job and then took

996
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 3: the number.

997
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: I thought that was not from doors but from a

998
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 2: on the message underneath. Yeah, all right, Well, I mean,

999
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: what do you think his role is going to be

1000
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: and will anyone's role be as impacted by the results

1001
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: in the draft as Greg dorts Well, that's the thing.

1002
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty fair to say that we are

1003
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 3: expecting the Cardinals to draft a wide receiver with one

1004
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 3: of their top picks. Maybe not four again, maybe not

1005
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 3: even until thirty five in round two.

1006
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 4: Oh my god, all the fans just got yeah, I got.

1007
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: What bunched up?

1008
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 3: Okay, so the Cardinals are going to need a true

1009
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 3: number one receiver, which is what the intention was when

1010
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 3: you had with Hollywood Brown. So to me, Greg Dortch's

1011
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 3: role is not going to be drastically different, maybe in

1012
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 3: the sense of having more of what Rondel Moore was

1013
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 3: doing here, a little more active in the offensive playbook

1014
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 3: instead of just sporadically, or more on special teams. I'm

1015
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 3: not expecting team to see a huge jump in the

1016
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 3: way that we see Michael Wilson of we'll see Greg

1017
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 3: Dortch by any means, I think it'll just be more

1018
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 3: of a step up into what rondel Moore was doing

1019
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 3: or what they were wanting out of him and getting

1020
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 3: that from Greg Dortch.

1021
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: And I am a believer that the whole DJ Dallas

1022
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: means that Greg Dortch is a full time receiver and

1023
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 2: DJ Dallas will be the return man. And you know

1024
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,479
Speaker 2: it's gonna benefit Greg Dortsch, whether he wants to admit

1025
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 2: it or not. I mean, he took a beating on

1026
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: a lot of those return teams. He's all of a

1027
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 2: buck seventy five and there were times where when he

1028
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: got hit, he got launched into the air and he'd

1029
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: come to the sideline and you know, I mean he'd

1030
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 2: have to shake it off.

1031
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 4: So see that's one of the reasons I you know,

1032
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 4: for whatever Ronde was doing, I don't see Dorch doing

1033
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 4: a lot of Like he won't do the running back

1034
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 4: stuff big enough, not out of the backfield.

1035
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 2: No, that'll be handled handled by Xavier Worthy. After he's

1036
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: drafted number thirty five overall and he brings the four too.

1037
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 4: One Xavier Worthy will be picked before thirty five.

1038
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 3: And somehow are you already ready to name him as

1039
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 3: your pet cat for training camp?

1040
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: No, somehow I get my redemption for I Andy for

1041
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, I get redemption for that. It's Savior

1042
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: Worthy's running the Jets sweep and everyone's screaming.

1043
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 1: Four to one.

1044
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 2: Here it comes. And then the whole defense gets you know, distracted,

1045
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: gets apoplectic, the whole defense when you know Savior Worthy is.

1046
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: And that's every week.

1047
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 4: Every week Danny learns a little something.

1048
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 3: See, I don't need one of those calendars that has

1049
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 3: the you know, the dictionary, the word of the day,

1050
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: word of the week. I've got you, Darren.

1051
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 4: I'm a wordsmith, Danny.

1052
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: By the way, let's say, let's just say the Cardinals

1053
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 2: don't go receiver with their initial first round pick, but

1054
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: they still have number twenty seven overall and they still

1055
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 2: need receiver. Do they trade up from twenty seven to

1056
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 2: go after someone earlier in the first round, whether it's

1057
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: a Brian Thomas junior or someone of that ilk.

1058
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 3: I think that is plausible regardless of position. I think

1059
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 3: if you feel that strongly about a wide receiver, yes,

1060
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 3: I'm in favor of it. If we're talking another position,

1061
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 3: a tackle, or you're looking on defense, where again these

1062
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 3: positions are not super deep, A cornerback, a defensive lineman.

1063
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 3: I do think that it would make sense to trade

1064
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 3: up from twenty seven.

1065
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 2: Get the player that you want if Jared Burst is

1066
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: there and you want that edge if you have a

1067
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: high opinion of Chop Robinson reportedly too, how the draft

1068
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: count took a thirty visit right, so boom all the day?

1069
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 2: Why wait, why take the chance someone jumps in front

1070
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: of us. Agreed, We're gonna go get that edge guy,

1071
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: because where else are you getting the edge player these days?

1072
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 4: I think that's fair. I'll be curious to know the

1073
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 4: edge class in particular is very odd this year. And

1074
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 4: you kind of touched on it earlier in terms of

1075
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 4: there's not Will Anderson. Now we've talked about that before.

1076
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 2: Again, if there was someone worthy off, the Cardinals would

1077
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 2: go that direction.

1078
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 4: I mean, I saw somebody, I think it was the

1079
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 4: thirty thirteen put out like a list of like seven

1080
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 4: boom or bust first round picks and there were two

1081
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 4: edge guys on it. Dallas Turner and Chop Robinson were

1082
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 4: on there as like guys that could be really good

1083
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 4: or they could be not good at all.

1084
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 2: Well, they had to lots was visiting a lot week.

1085
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 4: He was on there too, so like, there was only

1086
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 4: like eight guys and three of them are edge rushers.

1087
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 2: I mean, Dave Pash is telling me Lotso is a dude.

1088
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: And I'm watching some of the last couple of UCLA games.

1089
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: I don't know why I can't stand UCLA and he

1090
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 2: was a non factor to me, but there are other

1091
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 2: games where he blowed up everything. So yeah, I could

1092
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 2: see the boomer bus label being put on a few

1093
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 2: of these guys.

1094
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 4: Now.

1095
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: Dallas Turner's interesting as well because he played with Will

1096
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 2: Anderson the year before, but most don't consider him in

1097
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 2: the same class as will Anderson.

1098
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 4: Do you, guys, if they stay at four, regardless of

1099
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 4: who they pick, do you think there's a chance they

1100
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:50,479
Speaker 4: trade up from twenty seven? Still?

1101
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 2: Yes, you have eleven picks. You have eleven picks in

1102
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: this draft, more than any other team.

1103
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 4: Yes.

1104
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 3: Again, even if you stay at four and you pick

1105
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 3: a wide receiver, if you feel very strongly and Verry

1106
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 3: set on one of the few projected first round edge

1107
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 3: rushers and you want to get the player you want,

1108
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 3: even if there's a chance, you know that you could

1109
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 3: get one of three. But if you're set on one

1110
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:13,959
Speaker 3: of them, absolutely, I think even if you take wide

1111
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 3: receiver at four, the Cardinals could still trade up from

1112
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 3: twenty seven.

1113
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 2: And look, there are other teams you know that sit

1114
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 2: in the the end of the top ten, in the

1115
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: middle that you could trade up with. Let's say the

1116
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 2: Cardinals take Marvin Eerrison Junior. Once again, pause for reaction

1117
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 2: at number four, and then all of a sudden, you

1118
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 2: want to come up and trade with Minnesota or Denver

1119
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 2: or Vegas or one of those teams in the middle

1120
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 2: of the first round. You've had so many conversations if

1121
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 2: your Manias's board, I presume with those teams already, and

1122
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 2: if for some reason all those quarterbacks are gone and

1123
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 2: they have to face reality, then maybe they want to

1124
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 2: just vacate that spot.

1125
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 4: It was funny. Bill Barnwell did a story on ESPN

1126
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 4: talking about what teams should do in terms of not

1127
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,959
Speaker 4: who they should pick necessarily, but whether they should stick

1128
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 4: and pick or trade. And it is remarkable how many

1129
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 4: teams he had saying, yeah, to trade down, they should

1130
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 4: trade down, They should trade down because I mean, I

1131
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 4: do think there's a and this happens every year. I

1132
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 4: do think there's a certain cliff that you hit around

1133
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 4: ten or somewhere in that area where there's a drop

1134
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 4: off in talent and who you're picking at eleven isn't

1135
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 4: that much different than who you'd pick at twenty two,

1136
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 4: and so you know, can you trade down and get

1137
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 4: more stuff? I mean, it's a fascinating thing. And I

1138
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 4: do think the Cardinals will have opportunity to trade up

1139
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 4: from twenty seven if that would be something that they

1140
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 4: wanted to do.

1141
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 2: So what was this thing with John Rahm forks up

1142
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: and the whole Master's.

1143
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,439
Speaker 3: Dinner Master's Week He gets to choose the menu?

1144
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, and it's a big.

1145
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 4: Golf guy, Paul, I saw you hosting the recap of

1146
00:55:58,600 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 4: the Charities of Golf tournament.

1147
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 2: Uh yes, yes, and Zamon Collins was doing his best

1148
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 2: John rom over there. I mean it was pretty impressive

1149
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 2: for Zam Collins.

1150
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 4: Think about it. David Collins looks a little bit like a.

1151
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 2: Little bit the beard and Ron's a big dude, by

1152
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:13,720
Speaker 2: the way.

1153
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 4: He is, Okay, he's not as big I was. I

1154
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 4: went to talk to Zavan the other day and I'm like,

1155
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 4: did you get bigger? And he goes Grospert He's like,

1156
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,959
Speaker 4: and it was more thick, and he's like, well, he goes,

1157
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 4: I lost a little bit of weight, and so I'm

1158
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 4: probably a little bit more, have a little bit more

1159
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 4: muscle bomb like he looks like a monster.

1160
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 2: Oh well, wait a minute. Did't John Rom play with

1161
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 2: JJ Watt and Xavian Collins? Wasn't that a thing a

1162
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: couple of years ago?

1163
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,479
Speaker 4: He might have. He definitely played with J. J Watt.

1164
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 4: I'm I'm assuming Xavion was there since Zavian did everything

1165
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 4: with JJ at the time.

1166
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 2: So anyway, I can't get this open up. But if

1167
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 2: you have the menu in front of you, they on

1168
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: the whole John Rom thing.

1169
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 4: Who won the Masters last year, so he gets to

1170
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 4: pick what they're eating.

1171
00:56:55,120 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 3: Yep, and the asu alum, I mean you know right, mhm,

1172
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 3: it's it's a Spanish menu, which I guess makes sense.

1173
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 3: So I'm not going to even try. I guess you

1174
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 3: tried to name your dog Picos, so maybe you could

1175
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 3: give the menu a try, Paul, Yeah, it's pretty much

1176
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 3: I will say, so, no, no cheetos. The appetizer is

1177
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 3: a crab salad, potatoes, then you can have a ribbi.

1178
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 3: You can have then they have was this a fish?

1179
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 4: Maybe? What's that?

1180
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 3: I don't know? How to turbo turbot?

1181
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 4: Turb turbo is not a snail from some Pixar movie.

1182
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1183
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 3: Okay, Well that's as white asparagus. But that just sounds

1184
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 3: like a side, so okay. And then the dessert is

1185
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 3: a puff pastry cake.

1186
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 2: Hmmm. Yeah. Well look in honor of John Ram and

1187
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 2: the annual Master's Dinner. Uh you know, if indeed you

1188
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 2: were to serve said dinner, Darren, where what direction would

1189
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 2: you go?

1190
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 4: Well?

1191
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 2: What would be on your menu?

1192
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 4: That's a fantastic ic question, planter.

1193
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 3: Rip, Come on, man, here, I think I have mine

1194
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 3: thinking about this, Okay. I think I would do like

1195
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 3: a caesar salad to start. I think I would do

1196
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 3: a ribbi with asparagus, mashed potatoes, and mac and cheese.

1197
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 3: And for a dessert, sometimes you know, they can say

1198
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 3: like Grandma's cookies. It have to be my younger sister's

1199
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 3: recipe for her apple crisp with vanilla ice cream on top.

1200
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 4: You haven't made that for us yet, Danny, Yeah, that's

1201
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 4: what I thought, I think I would go with I

1202
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 4: will open with some tomato bisk that sounds really good

1203
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 4: to me, especially right now as we're sitting here.

1204
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:44,479
Speaker 3: And it hasn't hit one hundred and twenty.

1205
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 4: Yes, right, because soup is only good when it's not

1206
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 4: the summer in Arizona, I would go A nice filet

1207
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 4: mignon might be good.

1208
00:58:54,520 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 2: Sure, pretty state of confidence.

1209
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 4: There was a a certain restaurant I went to the

1210
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 4: other day, and it was more of a main dish,

1211
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 4: but it was it had It was green green chili

1212
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 4: pork on a mac and cheese. I know that's not

1213
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 4: a side, but we can make it a side. I'm

1214
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 4: ordering whatever I want that that sounds really good to me,

1215
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 4: and then probably some vegetable asparaga sounds good.

1216
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 3: What's your dessert?

1217
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 4: I would probably go with like a either a cheesecake

1218
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 4: or like a I'm gonna cheese out and do like

1219
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 4: a peanut butter pie. That sounds good.

1220
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 3: Okay, I need to clarify. My mashed potatoes would not

1221
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 3: have the skin in them because I don't like this.

1222
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 4: I love the fact that you it was important enough

1223
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 4: that you get that out there to the world.

1224
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 3: Yes, Paul, what's on your make.

1225
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: It could be a cheap joke. If I wondered about

1226
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 2: the green bean cast role wasn't failures.

1227
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 3: That would be cruel to put it on my menu

1228
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 3: and make everyone else.

1229
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 2: I have to say it. I hate to be morose here,

1230
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 2: but like when I see this master's dinner, I think

1231
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 2: of like a last meal, like someone facing the chair,

1232
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 2: know it. It kind of reminds me that a little.

1233
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 4: So if you were about to be killed, what would

1234
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 4: be your last meal? Paul?

1235
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 2: The main component would be egg plant parmesan. That would

1236
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: be the main component. I would go with that. Maybe

1237
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 2: even from little Italy and New York, which was the

1238
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 2: best I've ever had, or North Beach in San Francisco.

1239
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 2: Those would be the two atop the power pole that

1240
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 2: I've ever had. Never been to Italy. I know it's criminal,

1241
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 2: but yeah, I would go with eggplant parm and you

1242
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 2: can fill in the rest. That's fine.

1243
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 4: Have you been to Have you been to Europe at all? No,

1244
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 4: well other than the Cardinals, was going to say you

1245
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 4: went to London.

1246
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 2: A mistake. I may keep working right out of college

1247
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 2: and never stop. Big mistake should have taken.

1248
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 3: Time before we end. I owe you an apology.

1249
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 2: Pol oh boy, here we go. Are we recording like

1250
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 2: i'd like? I'd like several audio.

1251
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 3: Cops staring down myself.

1252
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 4: Here we go.

1253
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 3: So last week you were talking about the solar eclipse

1254
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 3: any path of totality, and I hadn't really been paying attention, and.

1255
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 4: Lollie was talking. You just ignored them. Yeah, that too, okay,

1256
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 4: but you know.

1257
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 2: You know what's really remiss about that? As I jump in,

1258
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 2: I really shouldn't interrupt your apology towards me, but I will.

1259
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 2: Because the last time the city of Dallas, your hometown,

1260
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 2: actually saw a total solar eclipse, was like eighteen seventy eight,

1261
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 2: and the next time they'll see it as twenty three

1262
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,959
Speaker 2: forty five. So just the magnitude of the moment, Danny,

1263
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 2: just for the Dallas metroid.

1264
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 3: And I did not fully understand that. I ended up

1265
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 3: going home to Dallas this past weekend and it was everywhere,

1266
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 3: the electric billboards, the signs, and the grocery stores. I

1267
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 3: went to a bakery and they had pastries that had

1268
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 3: the sun on them with sunglasses. It was everywhere, and

1269
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 3: we had a little bit of it here in Arizona.

1270
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 3: It was really cool to see, but.

1271
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 4: See it wasn't a meeting.

1272
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 3: That's a shame for you. Seeing what like photos and

1273
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 3: videos for my family, my friends, and then everything online

1274
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 3: was so cool and I don't think I really understood

1275
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 3: in so I think I kind of plushed it to

1276
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 3: the side when you talked about it. And honestly, like

1277
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 3: in hindsight, I should have just ended my trip home

1278
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 3: because I came back on Sunday. Should have just stayed

1279
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 3: through Monday.

1280
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 4: That's a long way to say, I'm sorry, Paul.

1281
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 2: I didn't actually hear those words exactly.

1282
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 3: You just heard them from Darren. That's close.

1283
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 2: I heard a personal postcard. I know that.

1284
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 3: If I know that, I know that if I if

1285
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 3: I say those words consecutively without you guys talking to

1286
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 3: the background, it's going to be clipped for future you.

1287
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 3: So I'm not going to do that to myself. I'll

1288
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 3: tell you off air.

1289
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 2: I'm going to live vicariously through your family. Did they

1290
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 2: walk out and actually experience total darkness.

1291
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 3: In the middle of the day they did, Yes, with

1292
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 3: the glasses and so.

1293
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,919
Speaker 2: Jealous, So I should I should have just called in sick,

1294
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 2: and you know, called your to Dallas. Yeah, call Danny's

1295
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 2: dad and just drive to Dallas. I just experience it.

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01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 2: That's what I should have done.

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Speaker 3: I would have opened it. I know I should have.

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01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 3: I should have just stayed there an extra day, So

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Speaker 3: I apologize. It was really cool.

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Speaker 2: I can't get enough of the mock drafts, and I

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01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 2: can't get enough of any of like these cosmos phenomenons.

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Speaker 2: You know, whether it's the phoenix lights, the UFOs, the aliens,

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Speaker 2: you know, total solar eclipse, it's all the same thing.

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Speaker 3: They already have the path for what twenty forty four?

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Speaker 4: Right, how totality is that total?

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Speaker 3: And now it's going the other way? So maybe we

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Speaker 3: should up book a trip business trip.

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Speaker 4: No, I think I think of a lot of Florida

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Speaker 4: forty five am I still working at that point.

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure Orlando. Orlando is covered, so we could

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Speaker 3: all go to Disney World and ride a roller coaster

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Speaker 3: at the time and then look up.

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Speaker 2: Well, in conclusion, I'm going to replay that last comment

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Speaker 2: from Darren, and he's gonna owe me an apology next week.

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