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Speaker 1: Hey, professional homegirls. I hope all is cute. It's your

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Speaker 1: favorite professional homegirl here, Ebene, and I am thrilled, Okay,

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Speaker 1: thrill because this week's episode is one of those ones

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Speaker 1: to welcome you all back. Today, we have a special

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Speaker 1: guest joining us for an eye opening conversation. Prayer Warriors.

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Speaker 1: Get ready, Okay. However, before we get into it, I

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Speaker 1: just want to say thank you, thank you, thank you

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Speaker 1: for each and every one of you for reaching out

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Speaker 1: to me, just checking on me, making sure that I

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Speaker 1: took the proper necessary care after you all heard season

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Speaker 1: because baby, it was a heavy one. One of the

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Speaker 1: listeners reached out to me and she said that out

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Speaker 1: of all the traumatic and triggering episodes that I have done,

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Speaker 1: and y'all, I did a lot, this one was the one.

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Speaker 1: So if you haven't listened to it, definitely check it out.

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Speaker 1: But please, please, please do what's best for your mental

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Speaker 1: health because listener discretion is advised. And this is season two.

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Speaker 1: From last week's episode, my father's mistress killed my mother. However,

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Speaker 1: many of you did agree that you heard a switch

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Speaker 1: in my guest voice doing certain parts of our conversations,

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Speaker 1: so I thought it was just me, but Taylor said

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Speaker 1: he heard it those who did reach out to me

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Speaker 1: and not only checked on me, but you gave me

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Speaker 1: some We were just going back and forth and keeking about

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Speaker 1: this last week's episode, and you definitely mentioned that you

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Speaker 1: heard it. So I'm like, I know I'm not going crazy. Also,

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: On this week's episode, our guests would be sharing her

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Speaker 1: journey of denouncing her sorority affiliation.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: When I mentioned this topic on Instagram, child, I received

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Speaker 1: mad messages in my DMS with y'all niggas saying, ari E,

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Speaker 1: we don't want to hear no devilish shit. But let

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Speaker 1: me tell you one thing. One thing is we're certain

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Speaker 1: two things for sure, this conversation was nothing short of ensightful. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and part one our guest dives into some thought provoking topics,

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Speaker 1: such as the concept of knowing what you sign up

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Speaker 1: for when it comes to pledging. Revelation is about the

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Speaker 1: sorority founders or just the organization founders that may surprise you.

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Speaker 1: And when I tell y'all the way she broke this down,

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Speaker 1: it us a complete mind fuck, okay, and a deep

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Speaker 1: dive into the theme of idolatry. So prayer warriors, grab

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Speaker 1: on this insightful journey together. Because Part one of I

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Speaker 1: Denounce My Sorority starts now. All right, y'all, I am

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Speaker 1: super excited about this week's episode.

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Speaker 2: Me and my guest.

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Speaker 1: We literally just keeking about the dark Internet. So to

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Speaker 1: my guests, thank you so much for being on the show.

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Speaker 1: How are you. How are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well, Ebaney, Thank you for inviting me.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you know, when people see topics like this,

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Speaker 1: I feel like this topic gets a lot of slack.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think so.

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Speaker 2: Ah, because it's sensitive. We know black folks, you know,

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Speaker 2: first of all, they automatically assume it's only about them,

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Speaker 2: and it looks like it's a really has a really

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Speaker 1: So what would you say, are some common themes or

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think people can do it for any reason, right,

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Speaker 2: of these things are the same, Okay, every everybody in

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Speaker 2: recognize that, oh there are you know, Egyptian, Greek and

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean a lot of people will come and say,

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Speaker 2: So some people think that, like because the main issue

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Speaker 1: And that's a good point then, because when people saw

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so low key, right, So this is a

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Speaker 2: like in priority. Right, But that's not what this is.

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Speaker 2: It can be that, but that's the that's not the

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Speaker 2: our organizations. We don't worship false gods. But they don't

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Speaker 2: before you spend twenty five or four thousand dollars whatever

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Speaker 2: over this ceremony, this ritual, and make sure it doesn't

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Speaker 2: are as a person, make this lifetime commitment. Because you pledged,

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Speaker 2: One of the write that in the book. So when

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Speaker 1: Not Devil's Advocate on this topic, but is is there

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Speaker 1: something wrong with processes?

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Speaker 2: No? I don't think. I don't think there's nothing wrong

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Speaker 2: the reason why I brought a process to say discretion.

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Speaker 1: In college.

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Speaker 2: That's the cultural marker. And I'm speaking about from a

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Speaker 2: black cultural perspective right now. I'm not excluding. I'm not

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Speaker 2: full of excluding the dominant society AKA white, Right, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I mean they do that thing too, and that's the

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Speaker 2: issue too in Christianity. Right. But when I'm talking about

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Speaker 2: what I know, Okay, So discretion is a cultural marker

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Speaker 2: for these organizations, for that level of community, for that

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Speaker 2: community and higher education. Right, But discretion carries within an

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Speaker 2: air of deception. Even if I were to talk to

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Speaker 2: they will say, you don't know what's in my book, right, succeed, Right,

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Speaker 2: They have to discreet. They would say, you don't know that,

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Speaker 2: you don't know what's in my ritual, you don't know

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Speaker 2: what I did to pledge. How can you say that

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Speaker 2: my organization is hiding affiliation with these gods because you

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Speaker 2: don't know. So they have to be discribed. So eat

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that people can do anything they want

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's up to you. So would y'all say, would

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Speaker 1: I feel like you and your sorority because you know what,

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Speaker 2: I would not have left if God had not told

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Speaker 2: there's the violence. Again, there's the oaths, because Jesus said,

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00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: don't take no oaths that you yes be yes, and

431
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 2: your no be no. Anything else is from the evil one.

432
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 2: So why I got to bow and promise to monitor

433
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 2: my character by your standards. That was the oath that

434
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: was part of my sorority, is that I will allow

435
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 2: the sorority to be the inspiration for the making of

436
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: my character. That is not godly, that's not a godly commitment.

437
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: Jesus is supposed to be the inspiration for the making

438
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 2: of my character. The Fruit of the Spirit is supposed

439
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 2: to be what I cultivate for my character, not nine

440
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 2: white pearls, not nine virtues of another organization. No, it's

441
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 2: supposed to be the nine virtues of the Fruit of

442
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 2: the Spirit. So there are good things. One thing I'm

443
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: I'm going back to your question. No, a lot of

444
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 2: things the black community would not see if it were

445
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 2: not for these organizations. They do do good work. The scholarships,

446
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: the just giving that the community preparation for college, the

447
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: mental shit that they provide to young people even though

448
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 2: they're growing, the young people to be want to be

449
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: a part of the organization and to later take these

450
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 2: same oaths. I think that's a problem. But on the surface,

451
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 2: they do good things, right, It's just it can be

452
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: so good. But it's two sides to the coin, because

453
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 2: even though they do good things, on the inside, the

454
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: amount of discord, the amount of backbiting and gossiping and cheating,

455
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: and like, all that stuff is popping. All that stuff

456
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 2: is happening. And even though it could happen in the church, right,

457
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: the church gets infiltrated to the church has all these

458
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: things happening inside of it too. The church is God's choice.

459
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 2: The fraternitys and sororities are not, you understand. So Jesus

460
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 2: has Jesus is going to clean up his church. He

461
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: is not going to clean up the attorneys and sororities.

462
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 2: He's going to pull his people out of them. So

463
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: there's a peril, right, you see. You see, both of

464
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 2: them can have bad. Any organization, any institution, can be

465
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 2: infiltrated that evil, right, it can exist, It can happen.

466
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 2: The difference is which one is ordained by the Most

467
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: High God, which one is not, which one is for

468
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: his glory the church is for the glory of God.

469
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: The fraternities and sororities are for the glory of their organizations.

470
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: Do you feel like, and this might be a broad question,

471
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: do you feel like where we at now in twenty

472
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: twenty four and from when your sorority was founded and

473
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: the rest of the sorority or just organizations, do you

474
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 1: think this is the attentions of the founders?

475
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 2: Girl, they asked me that in my exit interview.

476
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: Come on now, let's get an Oprah. Now, come on now.

477
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 2: She asked me that I'm my exit interview, and.

478
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: You know what, I because that's a really good question.

479
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 2: At that point, I was so irritated though, with them

480
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 2: trying to keep me during that interview, I shut her down.

481
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, I don't know and

482
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,479
Speaker 2: I don't care, but I did have an opinion. I

483
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 2: just couldn't. I couldn't continue to go back and forth

484
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: for her about this. Oh yeah, they was trying. There

485
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: was They were trying to keep me. They were offering

486
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: me various levels in I mean, I understand it. Don't

487
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 2: get me wrong, I get it.

488
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you was active for twelve years, so you

489
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: were devout.

490
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 2: I was a member for twelve years. I was active

491
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: for about ten. Yeah, I had a little time when

492
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: I wasn't financial.

493
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: But that's still a strong commitment.

494
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that I mean people are coming down now

495
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: that I've been there for thirty years, and people are

496
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: really like getting the revelation. So let me say this, though,

497
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: do I think this was their intention? Let me say this,

498
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: These organizations have people who are identified as the founders.

499
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: It could be seven people, it could be three people,

500
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: it could be twenty two people for some of these organizations. Okay,

501
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: I don't think that those people are the founders. I

502
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: think that they may have been the members, the people

503
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: who were the first people to join, the first people

504
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: who uh put it together. But if you look at

505
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: how the first black fraternity got started, now I'm not

506
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: even talking about Alpha Ouf. I'm talking about signa Pile five,

507
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: the Boulet, right, I think it was another one before

508
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: there no sign Pith five as the first one, but

509
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: there was one, a white one, right. It was they

510
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: got he got the inspiration from the white one, right, right,

511
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: So it was somebody I have. I'm gonna share a

512
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: link with you to the video so you can see

513
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: it and maybe you might want to add it to

514
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: this or whatever. But there's an informational video. It's like

515
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: a little cartoon and it was like a little black

516
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: guy who was cleaning up. This is like in maybe

517
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: let's say this is in let's say nineteen oh one,

518
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 2: nineteen oh two. Okay, don't quote him on that. I'm

519
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: just saying it's early nineteen hundreds before Alpha Alpha, which

520
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: is the first African American collegiate fraternity. Okay, Then the

521
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: first African American fraternity is Signa Pith five, which is

522
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: also known as the Bule. You will see like Lebron

523
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: James has a tattoo of the Boulet emblem on his chest.

524
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: This is the organization. It's very secret. They just actually

525
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: started talking about the fact that they exist in the eighties.

526
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: They kept it real low key. Okay, the Bulet. This

527
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: is where they are saying, like people who are of

528
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: out and prosperous, the doctors, the dentists, the attorneys, the

529
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: civil rights activists, these there are there are members of

530
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: this secret society, the Bulet.

531
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: So can you do the Bulet and another Greek return

532
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: to or that.

533
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bulet is only for men. I believe they

534
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: have wives, but they can be like Martin Luther King

535
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: was in the bulet and after Okay, understand w B. E.

536
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: Dip Boy was in the Bulet five.

537
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: So that's interesting.

538
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: I'm getting the Greek letters right because it's been a

539
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: while since I looked it up. But anyway, so the

540
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: dude was cleaning up the white folks was having their fortigety. Mean,

541
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: they have their secret societies, right, So all their secret

542
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: societies come out of freemasonry, come out of the Knights, teplar,

543
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: all these other these previous way late dating I mean

544
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: early dating secret societies. Okay, So he's at this college

545
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: or whatever in their meeting and he's like, well, this

546
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: looks pretty cool. I want to join. And he's like, well,

547
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: they're enough for black people. People didn't mix at that time.

548
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: This is the first one didn't come about until about

549
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: forty years after the emancipation of Africans in this country, right,

550
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: So when they decided to create these organizations forty years

551
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: after the exodus, after the emancipation, after we have been

552
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: made free, right and also what's happening is we're starting

553
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: to build a life for ourselves, reconstructing we are, you know,

554
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: because of the because of the segregation, we could build

555
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 2: our own wealth. We can keep our money more closer

556
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: to ourselves or whatever. So now they have to find

557
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 2: a way. How do we keep tabs on who's elevating

558
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: in this society so that we can continue the enforcement

559
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: of our system of white supremacy.

560
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: Nah, Look, look.

561
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: They not do they not have their finger on those

562
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: of us who are wealthy? Do they not have us

563
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: under their control? And if they if you don't follow,

564
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: will they not make you call you crazy, trump you

565
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: up on all sorts of legal charges. You'll find yourself

566
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 2: in prison. So this is what this is. When they

567
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: started these organizations, that was the goal. The goal is

568
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: the goal is how do we sife, how do we

569
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: keep control of the best and the brightest of this

570
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: group of people we can bring to our secret societies

571
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: and bring them into our ultimate agenda of control, right,

572
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: economic control, educational control. They have to control these industries,

573
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: these institutions, right, everything is under the girl. I'm staying

574
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: a lot. Let me slow. Do I think it was

575
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: the intentions that the founders I don't necessarily know that

576
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: they knew how far reaching what they was doing would be.

577
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: I think maybe at some point their intentions were good

578
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 2: because they weren't in college. I think that they wanted

579
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: to help people congregate and build community. But I also

580
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: know that a lot of them were involved in freemasonry,

581
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: and if they had any high degrees, and they had

582
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 2: become aware because because according to people who come out

583
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 2: of free masonry, they say, you don't really know what

584
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: you're into until you get up to the thirtieth degree. Right,

585
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: you don't know at the earlier degrees, you don't know

586
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: what you're doing. It seems like just the regular club

587
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: where you learn these things and work on your character,

588
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: try to become better. You don't know the religious implications

589
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: and the spiritual implications of what you're doing until you

590
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: get up higher. So did they know what they were doing?

591
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. But do I think they acted alone?

592
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: Do I think that no one knew someone knew. Maybe

593
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: they didn't know someone knew. That's that's how I put that.

594
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: I don't think it was all innocent either, because you

595
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: gotta look. They are choosing these symbols to represent these organizations.

596
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: They are writing the rituals, they are aiming these gods.

597
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: They are saying, this is what you must do, This

598
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 2: is eag even if I was being established over these

599
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: organizations are over one hundred years. Now, what organization what

600
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: lasts for black people? That's all good? Last that long?

601
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 1: You don't think it's possible.

602
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 2: What do we have? I don't know. I'm asking, I'm

603
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 2: conversing what you said today? What do we have that

604
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: is pure right? That is all good for us? We

605
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: ain't lost no children to it. People people have lost

606
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: their children pledge in these organizations. People have had their

607
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 2: bodies maimed and bruised to pledge. The psychological damage that

608
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 2: happens to mostly everybody who pledges right, even if they

609
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 2: even if they be paper, they gonna get subjected to bullying.

610
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: So what do black people have that have lasted as

611
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: long as these organizations have? That's all good? I think

612
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: we need to ask that question. Do we have? What

613
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,959
Speaker 2: do we have? Who are we? What do we have?

614
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: Damn? What do we have?

615
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 2: Wow? That's why, that's why, that's why, Like girl, I

616
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: don't know. Race is a trip anyway.

617
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, race is a trip. I say that all the time.

618
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: There's black, there as white, and then there's green.

619
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, race is a trip and it's really it's really

620
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: just a tool. Anyway, it's not socially constructed, it's not real.

621
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: But the way that it's being so ingrained in our world,

622
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: it's not even just in the US. You know what

623
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: I'm saying. This is an issue in Paris, This is

624
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: an issue everywhere. Yeah, you see, it's an issue. It

625
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: down either it's an issue ever colorism, separate racism, white supremacy,

626
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 2: all of these things. It's a it's definitely a demonic tool.

627
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: So we build organizations strictly based off of race and

628
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: only look at that, then that's how we make race

629
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: our god.

630
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: M So this is off off the topic, but do

631
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: you ever see black people getting ahead or just advancing

632
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: in life?

633
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 2: Oh?

634
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: I think so, Yeah, I think we do. I mean

635
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: I think we have. But when you put it that way,

636
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: like what do we have that's pure that you know,

637
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: no blood was shed? Oh?

638
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: You mean, like, do I see it happening for.

639
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: Because now You've got my wills going and I'm just thinking, like.

640
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: What do we have? I don't. I don't because because

641
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: the kingdoms of this world are run by the press

642
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: of the air. See, if you look at things in

643
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 2: a natural way, you all consider those things. But if

644
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Speaker 2: you look at it according to the framework of the scripture,

645
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: which is there's only two kingdoms. There's only two masters. Right,

646
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 2: there's only light and dark. There's only what is godly

647
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 2: and what is evil. Right, there's only what is holy

648
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: and what's evil. So if you look at it from

649
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: that perspective, only the Kingdom of God is the way up.

650
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 2: So if you just want to look at it plainly,

651
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: and you want to think about like other industries like

652
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: music education, like, yeah, people do rise to fame.

653
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: I look at the music industry industry. Not gonna say

654
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: no names, but it's a lot going on. It's a

655
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: lot going on. Man, it's a lot.

656
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 2: But you see what I'm saying. So, yeah, people can grow,

657
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: you can we can advance. But all the people that advance,

658
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: they will tell you about the price. Yeah, there's a

659
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 2: price to be paid to advance. And this is again

660
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: I know this is not a Christian program, but you

661
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 2: gotta look at I have to reference the scripture. Right

662
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: when Jesus fast before you start his ministry, fasted for

663
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: forty days and forty nine the end of the at

664
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Speaker 2: the end of the fast or doing the fast, he

665
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: was tempted at the devil one of the temptations was

666
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 2: so the devil tempted him to jump and kill itself,

667
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: told him to test God and see if the axeest

668
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 2: will catch him. Getting tested them to eat his belly,

669
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 2: because our appetite can be our God. Yeah right, and

670
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: that's not just appetite for fool but it's money tested

671
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: on his appetite. And then he tested them on wealth

672
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 2: and power and influence. So you want wealth and power

673
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 2: and influence, you have to bow. That was the temptation

674
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 2: that he gave to Jesus. He said, he show him.

675
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: I can give you all these things. I can give

676
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: you a network, I can give you property, I can

677
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 2: give you wealth, I can give you influence. All the

678
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,479
Speaker 2: kingdoms of the world will be yours if you would

679
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 2: just kneel down and worship me reverence, just this one time.

680
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: That's all you have to do. And Jesus was like,

681
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: it is written that should worship you. Know, that's your

682
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: that's your love, the Lord, that God, with all that heart,

683
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 2: with all that soult that should worship him only so

684
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: so I'm not bowing down to you. But if you

685
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: listen to the to the accounts of these different people,

686
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: the sports people, the musicians, the artists, the actors, all

687
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: the people who make it will obtain sort of like

688
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 2: earthly wealth, status, influence, right, property. They tell you, they

689
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 2: get approached, they have to. They have times when they

690
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: are asked to compromise spiritually to do certain things. And

691
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: the ones who come out out and tell about it,

692
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 2: they start looking crazy. They we be like, oh, they rambling,

693
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: they on drugs, they lock you know, they start looking

694
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: crazy to up to the outsiders. Right, but these people

695
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: are in a battle. Yeah, I think that collect even

696
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 2: the HBCUs.

697
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Speaker 1: Right, Wait, before you make your point on HBCUs, is

698
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Speaker 1: it possible to only serve God and to still get

699
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Speaker 1: all those things that we mentioned when it comes to

700
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Speaker 1: like power, wealth and things of that nature, because I

701
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: don't think people talk about that more compared to worshiping

702
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: the devil.

703
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's possible. I think it's possible because

704
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: the scripture says that it is the Lord that God

705
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: who gives you power to obtain wealth, and and it

706
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: also talks about that in Joshua one. He says that

707
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: if you keep the words that are written in this

708
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 2: book and meditate on them day and night, and never

709
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 2: let them depart from your mouth, that he will make

710
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: your way successful. He would give you good success. So

711
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 2: it was possible for someone to have their spiritual walk

712
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: with God intact, their integrity intact, and still elevate and

713
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: have good success. The difference is good success versus success. Right,

714
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: the scriptures give you good success. That means success that

715
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: doesn't cost you your life. That means success that does

716
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 2: not it ha cost you. Now, following Christ does cost

717
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 2: you your life, because he said that you gotta be

718
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: willing to lay down your life, lay down what you

719
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 2: think is important, to do what I say is important.

720
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Speaker 2: So in that sense it does cost. But in the

721
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: sense of having to make blood sacrifices, do you have

722
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: to lie? Cheat? Still? Do you have to worship other guys?

723
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: Do you have to do those those things that are

724
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: spiritually abominable to the most High God? Know that if

725
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 2: you keep my word, I can make you successful. The

726
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 2: script says I think as I'm seventy four. It says

727
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: promotion doesn't come from the east or from the west,

728
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 2: from the north and from the south.

729
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: Comes from it comes from the Lord.

730
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: It comes from above. Yes, it's possible to be a professional.

731
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Speaker 2: It's possible to walk with the Lord seriously, not just

732
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 2: like be professor, like I'm a Christian, but no, like

733
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 2: even when nobody's looking, right to have relationship with the

734
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: Most High God and still be wealthy, still achieved, still advanced,

735
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 2: still have influence, still have power. We should. Yeah, he

736
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: wants to give us those things. He's raising up people

737
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: that will do those things when nobody's looking and that

738
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 2: he can trust, and he's gonna pour out his work

739
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 2: on them. Yeah, but it's not going to cost them

740
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: sickness and disease. It's not going to cost their generations.

741
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: They're not going to leave an inheritance of death for

742
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: their for their grandchildren and their great grandchildren, and they're

743
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: not going to open up their eyes and heal.

744
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Speaker 1: You know what's so funny. I'm really enjoying this conversation,

745
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: and y'all we're gonna get back to her announce her sorority.

746
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: But I just think, you know, everything happens for a reason.

747
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: And I shared this with my professional homegirls. But I

748
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: have been being pulled to read my Bible more so,

749
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: I've been reading my Bible. Well, first I was reading

750
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: my like the actual Bible, but I was like, come on, God, like,

751
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: what are these words mean, So I got right, So

752
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: I got the Bible app and you know, it's easier

753
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: for me to read because I'm like, I can read

754
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: a book like in a day, and I've been reading

755
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,720
Speaker 1: it every night, every morning, just to get my energy

756
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: and my spirit right. And that's one of the reasons

757
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: why I gave up chocolate for Lyn because I love child.

758
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: I love chocolate at that but I'm like Mike, like

759
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: I love a kit Cat bar, like Reminent, like I

760
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: love also, But i still have to say, what when

761
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 1: you read the word and you understand the reasons why

762
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: God went through what he went through for forty days

763
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: and forty nights, I don't know, it just made me

764
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: feel more empowered to be like, if he can do it,

765
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: I know you can do it. So that's just just yeah,

766
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: the discipline exactly.

767
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 2: Discipline is the way of the Kingdom. That's one of

768
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 2: the fruit of the Spirit and Glations five. It says

769
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 2: it says temperance, but it means self control.

770
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And I'm just like, I am so proud

771
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: of myself because honestly, I've been eating chocolate almost every

772
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: day since I was a kid.

773
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

774
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm just like and every now and then

775
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: I feel it, so I pop up peppermin in my

776
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 1: mouth to suppress it.

777
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

778
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's just so funny how we got on

779
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: this subject. And I'm just like, all right, got almost

780
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: at the finish line.

781
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: And that's the thing, Like the Holy Spirit will draw

782
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: us to himself, you know it, if the person is willing,

783
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: if the person is willing to make the sacrifice, because

784
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: that's what you did. You made a sacrifice. You gave

785
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: up something that was that you liked, something that was

786
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: important to you, for the intentions to draw closer, Yeah,

787
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: to God, right to your gud. And so if people

788
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: are doing that, the scripture says in James, for if

789
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 2: you drop closer to me, I'll draw closer to you.

790
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 2: So if people do that, you will get that. You

791
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 2: will get if you're laying things down, if you're sacrificing

792
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: your time, your desires, what you think is right, your thoughts,

793
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: your culture, your tradition, were favorfuls, whatever that thing might be.

794
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 2: And he says, give up. And the thing is like

795
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: the enemy wants you to sacrifice too, you know what

796
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: I mean. You want to give up something with him too.

797
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: But when God asked you to give up something. It's

798
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 2: not to kill you, it's not to hurt you. His

799
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 2: goal is to steal, kill, and destroy That chocolate gonna

800
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: destroy you. So you've given up something that's bad for

801
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 2: you for something that's going to give you life.

802
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Now before we get back we pivot back

803
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: into your story. You was gonna mention something about hbc youth.

804
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I think that is one of the

805
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: paths for UH, for black people to have something that's

806
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 2: culturally substantial and leads to our advancement.

807
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but who funds child?

808
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: Like who? And then a lot of times but.

809
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: Who falls that when it comes to who's the funding?

810
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: Because a lot of times we don't even support them. Yeah,

811
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: because a lot of times we don't even support our own.

812
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 2: It's the system. But oh well, I don't know about

813
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 2: the HBCU alumni and how y'all support. But ultimately, and

814
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 2: I believe y'all do support your your schools. I've donated

815
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: to HBCS. I didn't go to one, but when I

816
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: get the opportunity, I do donate. But you look at

817
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 2: the fraternities and sororities. They especially af Kapta Outpha, they

818
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: donated so they donated millions of dollars HBCUs over the

819
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 2: last few years. They have intentionally had an initiative to

820
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 2: do that, and that's that's really important. But you gotta

821
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: still look at it's culture versus faith. Right, the culture

822
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: of the HBC was important, But is it feeding the faith?

823
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: Is it feeding the spirit of the person? Is it

824
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 2: in making an investment in the faith? You see what

825
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So like, yeah, we have these institutions, we

826
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 2: have these schools that are good, that are helpful, that

827
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: educate our own, that help us band together, create networks,

828
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 2: and all of that is good. It's good for the culture.

829
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: But the culture culture always feeds a kingdom. Culture belongs

830
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: to a kingdom. Which kingdom does that culture belong to?

831
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 2: Does it belong to the kingdom of God? Or does

832
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 2: it belong of darkness? You see I'm saying, because it's

833
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: only two the only serve two mass, it's only two paths.

834
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 2: It's a straighten and narrow. And then there's why it

835
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: is the way right right broad is the way? So

836
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 2: which which culture? Which kingdom does that culture feed? So

837
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: even though we look at that institution and it's a point,

838
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 2: those institutions are points of progress and markers for where

839
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: our people have come from, what we can achieve, who

840
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: we can be, you know. But ultimately it's separate from

841
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 2: what does what is God saying? And so everybody has

842
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 2: to be faced with a choice. Am I gonna live

843
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: in a in a way that's cardinal or am I

844
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 2: gonna live in a way that feeds the spirit according

845
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 2: to the spirit. And when I when I was asked,

846
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 2: when I was shown that my sorority was inherently against

847
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: the Most High God and that he hated it. This,

848
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,479
Speaker 2: this is the depression that he gave me. He didn't say,

849
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: like just being active, it's cool. No, he says, this

850
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 2: caused me to turn my head from you. He don't.

851
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: He don't like that, Okay, And people could say whatever

852
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: they want to say. But I'm just all I'm doing,

853
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: all I'm sharing is what the scripture says and what

854
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: He gave me personally as an individual. So I had

855
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 2: to make a choice.

856
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: So you mentioned earlier about how a lot of times

857
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: we may not or people who are in Greek organizations

858
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: may not struggle, their offspring may struggle, or fertile online generations.

859
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: What did you struggle with or did you struggle with anything.

860
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 2: I'm a first generation college student and I did not

861
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 2: know that I had family connections to Freemasonry until I

862
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 2: came out of the sorority and I was fancying and

863
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit showed me there were if I go

864
00:49:55,160 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: back in my my dad died. That was That was

865
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 2: what Livy's asked, the question, what made my dad die

866
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: so early? He was in his like late thirties when

867
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 2: he died.

868
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: How did he die?

869
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 2: Unknown? Like just just the organs just stopped working. Oh wow.

870
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: And before that he was like in a wheelchair and

871
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 2: couldn't want in his thirties. So and I'm an only child,

872
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 2: so that happened. And even before that, his father went

873
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 2: in for surgery completely unrelated, came out can never walk again.

874
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 2: What so then, so when I'm coming out of the sorority,

875
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 2: I find out that my grandfather's father and his father

876
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: were Freemasons. So that puts my grandfather and my father

877
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 2: in the direct line of fire. Because these are when

878
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 2: you joint, when you take an oath, you're making a

879
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: spiritual covenant. It's a contract. There are altars at these ceremonies, right,

880
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: So this is what I'm saying. If they tell you

881
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: at the informational when you first go to say, hey,

882
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 2: I'm interested in this organization, do they tell you, oh,

883
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: when you when you finally come here, we're going to

884
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: set up altar. Do you know they say, oh, do

885
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: you know what the altar is? By the way, an

886
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 2: altar is looks like this. In the natural, it's a table,

887
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 2: we cover it, we put sacred things on it, and

888
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 2: we we create an environment that is sacred. In the spirit,

889
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 2: there are spiritual attendees over this altar. Altars are monitored

890
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: in the natural, like if you go to the church,

891
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 2: you have altar boys, right, So people attend altars in

892
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 2: the natural, But guess what alters are attended to in

893
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 2: the spirit. So if they tell you that stuff upfront

894
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 2: and you can make an educated decisionin't cool. So when

895
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: you make a spiritual contract at that altar, whatever is

896
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 2: it in that contract, them spirits that's attendant that's monitoring

897
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 2: that answer are going to come to collect. And if

898
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 2: you when you agreed, even if you didn't read the

899
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 2: five pray right, because who all reads the terms and

900
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 2: conditions for everything you sign up for? So if you

901
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 2: all read the terms and conditions. You don't know that

902
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 2: the spirits that's attended to that altar are coming for

903
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 2: the third and the fourth generation. They're coming for blood,

904
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 2: they coming for life, They're coming for organs, They're coming

905
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: for inconvenience. They're coming to punish. They're coming to still.

906
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 2: That's what they're gonna do. They're benevolent, they're evil. It

907
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: be the same thing for generational blessings. If I'm making

908
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 2: a covenant and agreement with God, which I have, I'm

909
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: making agreements for my children and my children's children, My

910
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 2: children and my two children can come and collect. And

911
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 2: the spirits ain't God was saying Andrews to pour out

912
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 2: on them the agreement what I've agreed to for them,

913
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 2: because the sacrifices that I've made, you understand what I'm saying.

914
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 2: So that's how you see generational blessings. That's how you

915
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 2: see people who stay married for thirty and forty years,

916
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 2: they have children, they have a massed wealth. I believe

917
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: that does happen to black people. I believe that does

918
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: happen to people across the world who are who are believers,

919
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 2: who love God. I believe you see people who live

920
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 2: to be ninety and one hundred live past to expect

921
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 2: the human lifespan. That's a that's a generational blessing. You

922
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 2: see what I'm saying. When you see everybody's married, everybody

923
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 2: has children, there are no broken homes, that's generational blessing.

924
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 2: That's evidence when you see bus past. So when you

925
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 2: start seeing those things, those there's been a commitment made there,

926
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 2: there's been an agreement made there. But the same thing

927
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: happens when you see those generational curses, the poverty, the

928
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 2: children out of wedlines, the inability to produce, the cancer

929
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 2: rare my head cancer. Mama had cancer. Now the kid

930
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: is getting cancer. Do you see what I'm saying. That's

931
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: of an altar that's being attended to.

932
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: But what would you say could be the reason for

933
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: those who don't have any Greek affiliations in their family

934
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: and go through the same thing.

935
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 2: It's somewhere in the blood there's and it may not

936
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 2: be Greek, it's not so Idolatry is not the only

937
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 2: thing that brings about generational curses. It could just be

938
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: it could be other dating. So it could be adultery,

939
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: it could be I mean, you have to read the

940
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: scriptures to find out what are the consequences for different things? Right,

941
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 2: And it's not that so so and the most hot

942
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 2: God is not sending these curses anymore. He sent Jesus.

943
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 2: So he's like, you know what, I don't even got

944
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 2: to curse these folks no more. They let the actions.

945
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 2: Let they're all they're all sin will bring about the curses.

946
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. So because be because the king,

947
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 2: the agents of the Kingdom of Darkness are watching to see.

948
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 2: You know what, this person opens the door by doing

949
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: by committing adultry, I'm gonna go in it. If you

950
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 2: leave your door open, somebody's analogy, I'm stealing it. She say.

951
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 2: If you live in New York City and you leave

952
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 2: your door open, what's going to come in? You see

953
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And so, if the opportunity is there,

954
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 2: these manevolent agents are going to come in and wreck

955
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 2: havoc because they can. So it doesn't have to necessarily

956
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 2: be that there. Uh, the consequence is just only because

957
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 2: they may be connected to certain organizations. But that is

958
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,479
Speaker 2: a big thing that people oftentimes don't know about, which

959
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 2: brings issues to human beings that they are that they've

960
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: made these covenants, these demonic covenants. So I know people

961
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 2: be like you said earlier, people say they keep seeing

962
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 2: the organizations are the money. We're not saying that because

963
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 2: we want to be mean and we don't love these

964
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 2: people that are in the organizations. I don't think it's

965
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: not the people. It's not a personal attack on the people.

966
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 2: It's the fact that the organizations represent an opportunity for

967
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 2: people to unknowingly, unwittingly make covenantal agreements with spiritual forces

968
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 2: that they don't know about. That is the problem with

969
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 2: the whole organization. It's not the people. They don't know.

970
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 2: Most of them don't know. Most of them won't even

971
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 2: They scared to either go and bust out the ritual books.

972
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: They're scared to look. Most people that get mad at

973
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 2: people like needed that denounce and say why they keep

974
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 2: talking about this, they don't know they're talking about. They

975
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 2: too scared to even open the ritual book and look, well, maybe,

976
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 2: and that's cool too. But if they're a Christian, right,

977
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 2: if they really they if they feel like they want

978
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: to go to heaven and they believe in Jesus, because again,

979
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,479
Speaker 2: this is about faith. These are I'm not talking about

980
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 2: decisions that people make because it costs too much or

981
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: they don't like the most recent UH program make agenda

982
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 2: of the organization. And I'm talking about people that leave

983
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 2: because because the Holy Spirit have called them to do

984
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 2: that and have exposed it. Let them be bold enough

985
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 2: to put it side by side and pull out the

986
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 2: ritual book and see what's in it, and even just

987
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 2: pray and say, you know what, God show me, don't

988
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 2: let me be lost.

989
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: You know that's a fact, and that takes courage.

990
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 2: That's not easy to you because it's a it's not

991
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 2: easy to leave it because you love those ornentations. If

992
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: there's attachment of there's attachment, you feel pride in it.

993
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 2: It's an accomplishment. You got. You spend all this money

994
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 2: on Perry Girl. I threw away brand new leather bookcase.

995
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 2: I had a brand new leather trench coat. When I

996
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 2: came out. It was the one one hundred year. It

997
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 2: was the celebration of one hundred. When I came I said,

998
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 2: it's centennial. Joe, Jesus, you're pulling me out in a

999
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 2: good year of twenty twenty two?

1000
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, something what you doing?

1001
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: He didn't. He don't care all the jewelry, all the jewelry,

1002
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 2: all the gifts. It's a lot.

1003
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: You just threw it away.

1004
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 2: Some of it I threw away, some of it. I burned,

1005
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 2: some of it. I cut up. Yeah, girl, But you

1006
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 2: know what, you know what, I had to check myself

1007
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 2: because I don't want to be like Lot's wife. That's

1008
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 2: the one that turned to the pillow of salt. Because

1009
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 2: he told them, flee the city. I'm finna destroy it.

1010
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 2: Flee the city.

1011
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: And you know it's funny, I'm on that in the Bible.

1012
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 2: He said. He said, she looked back. So I had

1013
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 2: to really be aware that the pain that I felt

1014
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 2: as because I had Okay, So I had a china cat.

1015
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 2: I have a china cabinet, a hutch in my dining room,

1016
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 2: and inside of it it's not china. It's my grandmother's china.

1017
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 2: It's not been there.

1018
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's there.

1019
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 2: I had porcelain, the dolls, black girl porcelain. They were

1020
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 2: paying it black. One was a doctor, one was a cheerleader,

1021
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 2: one was playing a piano, one was a ballerina. And

1022
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 2: they're all dressed in blue and gold. He got signamore

1023
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 2: morel written on them. And I just had all these

1024
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 2: beautiful black girl figurines in the China cabinet. I had

1025
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 2: to get rid of all of the and I'm talking

1026
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 2: about it was a lot of them. They were like

1027
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 2: this be oh my God. And so as I'm getting

1028
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 2: rid of those and I'm cringing, I said, pay attention

1029
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 2: to that feeling. Why do you feel cringe inside? Because

1030
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 2: you love it and it represents the idolatry in your

1031
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 2: heart that God is telling me I don't like this,

1032
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 2: but yet you still crams because you got to throw

1033
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 2: it away. That's a problem that feeling is. What is

1034
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 2: the connection to the idolatry. That feeling of couldn't be

1035
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 2: my precious thing that I love so much, that's the idolatry.

1036
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 2: That's what it feels. That's what idolatry feels like. Yeah,

1037
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 2: that's what it feels. So when you ident got that cringe,

1038
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 2: that pain, that couldn't be, that denial, that's the That's

1039
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 2: how idolatry looks when it raises up. Think about that

1040
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 2: game you play at the carnival where you have to.

1041
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: Beat your it pops up.

1042
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 2: That's how it pops up. It's like a defense that

1043
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 2: pops up. That's idolatry.

1044
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: Listen. I told y'all this is one of those ones,

1045
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: and y'all have not heard anything yet. Because this concludes

1046
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:37,160
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1047
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,680
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