1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:01,319 Speaker 1: Welcome back. 2 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 2: In hour number three Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 2: appreciate all of you, but hanging out with us for 4 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,159 Speaker 2: the first couple of hours. If that was you, and 5 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 2: we hope any of you it was the case. You 6 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: heard Donald Trump with us in the first hour. Now 7 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: you will hear the second part of our interview with 8 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: Donald Trump. He's in court right now during our show, 9 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 2: but he wanted to make sure that you all heard 10 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 2: from him, so we talked to him yesterday evening. 11 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: This is what it sounded like. 12 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 2: I won't make you say it, but I think you 13 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 2: know Biden is behind this, not Biden himself, because he's 14 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 2: not smart enough for mentally competent enough to be able 15 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 2: to organize all of this anymore. 16 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: Which leads me into this. 17 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 2: You know, he's got guys having to help him walk 18 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: to the helicopter, as you well know, across the lawn there. 19 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: He can't read off the teleprompter. You see all the 20 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 2: screw ups on a regular basis. Do you really think 21 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: he's going to be running against you? Do you think 22 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: he'll they'll let him debate you, or do you think 23 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: they're gonna pull a bait and switch at the last minute. 24 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I personally don't think so. But I've been 25 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 3: saying that for a while. I personally don't think so. 26 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: But you know, you don't think he's gonna run. 27 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 2: You don't think he's gonna run. Not that they're not 28 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: going to pull a bait and switch, but you don't 29 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 2: think he's able. 30 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 3: I think at some point he goes out. I think, so, 31 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 3: what do I know? You know, I mean, I can 32 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 3: only say that here he is, and he was never 33 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 3: the sharpest bulb in the room ever, and now he's 34 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 3: It's so dangerous for our country. You know, we're dealing 35 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 3: with Putin, We're dealing with President Shiv, China, Kim Jonglin. 36 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 3: We're dealing with these people that are one hundred percent 37 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 3: there at the top of their game and they can't 38 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 3: believe it. And this, you know, could lead to Third 39 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 3: World War. This is we still have a little bit 40 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 3: more than five months to go. And actually, if you 41 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 3: really look, I guess September. Toward the end of September, 42 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 3: Pennsylvania starts, and so we're really talking about a lot 43 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 3: less than that, because we really have to think in 44 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 3: terms of that when they start, you know, in the 45 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 3: old days, would have a one day election, they would 46 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 3: have paper ballots and would have a lot of good things. 47 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 3: Now we have elections that start forty five days earlier 48 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 3: than they're opposed to, and they keep going, they keep 49 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 3: going until they get enough ballots. This is their form 50 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 3: of cheating. And I have a voice, so I'm able 51 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 3: to talk about it. And you know, it's been I mean, 52 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 3: it's never pleasant doing this, but we have to. These 53 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 3: are fascists. But you know, if they have a good 54 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 3: congressman and they send him a subpoena, he might as 55 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 3: well resign because he doesn't have a chance of explaining 56 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 3: to people to vote for him anymore. So I have 57 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 3: such respect for the American public because they fed them 58 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 3: all this nonsense. It's just garbage. You take a look 59 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 3: at these what they've done. Well, look at this case. 60 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 3: Look at the way it's playing out again, not one 61 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 3: legal experts does they even have a case. There's not 62 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 3: even a crime. And it's a very sad day in America, 63 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 3: and it's a very sad day for New York. But 64 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 3: you take a look at Atlanta with Fani and her 65 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 3: lover Wade, and you know that's a whole scam. And 66 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 3: Jack Smith's two cases as a whole scam, the whole 67 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 3: thing he was done because they want to hit Biden's 68 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 3: opponent is political opponent, to see if they can get 69 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 3: him over the line. I don't think it's going to work. 70 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 3: I tell you, because you saw the crowd in New Jersey. 71 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: It may have been the largest crowd ever for a 72 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 3: not just in New Jersey. I mean it was well 73 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 3: over one hundred thousand people. We expected forty five thousand 74 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 3: we had. I mean, you guys saw the crowd. Oh yeah, 75 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 3: I don't think you've ever seen a crowd like that 76 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 3: at a political event. Yeah, great honor. 77 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: In terms of fixing the country, saving the country, sir, 78 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: you mentioned some of the foreign challenges. I think, and 79 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: you know this as well better than anybody. If you're 80 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: looking at challenges for America right now, the wide open 81 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: Biden border is absolutely top of the list. People are outraged. 82 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: It's going to be eight million at least. I mean, 83 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: that's going to be the official number by the time 84 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: votes are being cast. Eight million illegals under Biden. Who 85 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: knows how many actually in the country. You've talked about 86 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: finishing the wall, and you've talked about deportations. What can 87 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: you tell us about the first ninety days of a 88 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: Trump forty seven presidency on those two issues. 89 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, it's it's not eight million, it's 90 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 3: fifteen million are already in the country, in my opinion, 91 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 3: and a lot of them come from prisons and jails. 92 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 3: They come from mental institutions, and I go a step 93 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 3: beyond that, from insane asylums. You got a lot of 94 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 3: terrorists coming into the country. Now we're gonna have to 95 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 3: deport We're gonna have a very large scale deportation operation, 96 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 3: and nobody wants to do that. We have no choice. 97 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: It's not sustainable by any country. There's no country that 98 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 3: a thing like this is sustainable by. You can't you 99 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 3: can't have it. I mean, I look at I'm in 100 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 3: New York right now, and you see what's going on 101 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 3: with people. They're taking up You don't have the use 102 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 3: of parks, you don't have the use of schools and hospitals. 103 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 3: It's the whole quality of life in our country is 104 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 3: changing because of this, and nobody can say it's good. 105 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 3: Politically now, of course, what they're trying to do is 106 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 3: register people to vote, because that's another form of cheating. Also, 107 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 3: there are two big forms are that they are new 108 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 3: forms that they're adding into their arsenal because they're bad 109 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 3: at every everything. Policy is no good. Look at Afghanistan. 110 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 3: That disaster the most embarrassing day in the history of 111 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 3: the country. Their policy is no good. They want high 112 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 3: te you know, if they won, taxes are going to 113 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 3: go up by four times, four times for middle class 114 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 3: but four times. And you know, they're no good at policy. 115 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 3: The only thing they're really good at is cheating. And 116 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 3: they have two new methods, and one is the weaponization, 117 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 3: which is what I'm putting up with and others too, 118 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 3: but I'm you know, I'm definitely I'm the key, There's 119 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 3: no question about it. And then the other is having 120 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 3: to do having to register voters because they're taking these 121 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 3: people who can't speak English, who don't even know what 122 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 3: this country is, and they're registering them and trying to 123 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: get them out to vote. And I only implore the 124 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 3: Republicans to be tough because they don't play as tough 125 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 3: a game. Unfortunately, there's so much better on policy, so 126 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 3: much better on so many but they're not better when 127 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 3: it comes to this stuff. Fellaws. 128 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 2: It's a terrible thing, terrible You no New York City, 129 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: Well you also know the Ivy League. Well, because you're 130 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 2: a graduate, you got called an anti Semite, which is 131 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: unbelievable considering your daughter is Jewish and you got Jewish grandchildren. 132 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: Joe Biden said he ran for president because of Charlottesville, 133 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 2: bought into the very fine people hoax. When you see 134 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 2: his failure to stand up for Jewish people and for 135 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 2: Israel's right to defend itself, how sick does it make 136 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 2: you to your stomach? And also how weak is the 137 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 2: media to not remotely be holding him to the same 138 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 2: standard they do for all the country as they did 139 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: for you. 140 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: For Charlottesville by itself. 141 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 3: That's true. So he is the worst president we've ever 142 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 3: had in the history of our country. But he's the 143 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 3: worst president that Israel has ever had in the United States. 144 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 3: It's not even a contest. He's a horror show. And 145 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: I'm the best president that Israel's ever had. I mean 146 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 3: what I've done for Israel between the Capitol and and 147 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 3: the Iran nuclear deal by the way, you know, let's 148 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: not forget a about that. That could have been the 149 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 3: best of all. But they didn't do anything with it. 150 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 3: You know, they could, they could have had a deal 151 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 3: so fast with Iran. I would have had a deal. 152 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: You know, Iran was broke when I was president. They 153 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 3: wanted to make a deal. Now Iran is a rich 154 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 3: country again. Iran has two hundred and fifty billion dollars 155 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 3: worth of cash because of the oil and because we 156 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 3: give them six billion dollars every time there's a hostage 157 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 3: trade to end up with six million dollars. We gave 158 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 3: them ten billion dollars for electricity to Iraq. 159 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: But they are rich. 160 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 3: They have two hundred and fifty billion dollars in cash 161 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 3: right now. It's a tougher negotiation by a factor of fifty. 162 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 3: But I am the best president ever ever for Israel 163 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 3: by far. And he's the worst president ever. And who 164 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 3: would think it? Who would think it? 165 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: Not surprising to us given Biden's history of failure on 166 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: the foreign policy from mister president. But right in terms 167 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: of you know, they've walked away from the Biden economy, 168 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: you're not hearing about that, You know, Biden's economy anymore 169 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: in Glatian still stubborn, people paying high prices. Why did 170 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: this happen under this president? And what are you going 171 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: to do to change things around when you win. 172 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 3: So when he came in, he stopped the oil. And 173 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: when he stopped you and now he's let it go 174 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: back to where I was, because otherwise he would have 175 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 3: you'd have oil it you'd be paying so much for 176 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 3: gasoline that people wouldn't even believe it. But already it's 177 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: getting close to four dollars, and in California it's over 178 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 3: seven dollars. It's creeping up very rapidly. But he stopped 179 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: the oil, and that caused the inflation very simply. And 180 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 3: we're going to bring energy way down. Energy costs are 181 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 3: going to be way down, and places like New England 182 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 3: where you have the highest energy courses, New York, where 183 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 3: you have the highest energy costs in the whole country, 184 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 3: by far, I'll be able to cut their energy bills 185 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 3: in half and quickly. These people, that's what caused it, 186 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 3: what they did with his stupid energy policies. He also 187 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 3: made other countries rich. He made Russia so rich that 188 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 3: they said, gee, whiz, I'm going to go you know, 189 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 3: a combination of that and Afghanistan where Putin said, wow, 190 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 3: I'm going to go and attack Ukraine. Now you know, 191 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 3: he had oil, left almost one hundred dollars a barrel. 192 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 3: When that happens, Putin makes his money from oil. They 193 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 3: became rich, and they attacked, and that's what happened. It's 194 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 3: a sad thing, so sad to see what's happened to 195 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 3: our country in a period of three and a half years. 196 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 3: But we're going to make it. We'll make it greater 197 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 3: than ever before. You watch the border. We had the 198 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 3: strongest border ever. I built five hundred and seventy one 199 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 3: miles of wall. We're going to add another two hundred 200 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 3: and three weeks. It was all made, all fabricated. They 201 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 3: sold it for five cents on the dollar. The wall 202 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 3: was all fabricated. I built much more wall than I 203 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 3: said I was going to build, but we did five 204 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 3: hundred and seventy one miles. We had the strongest border 205 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 3: in history. We had remained in Mexico. You couldn't come 206 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 3: in yet to say in Mexico. All of these things 207 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 3: out the window when this character came in, and look, 208 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 3: he has no clue what he's doing. But he's surrounded 209 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 3: by very smart fascists, and the only thing they know 210 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 3: how to do is stay in power. That's about the 211 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 3: only thing they're good at. But we're going to beat 212 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 3: him big in five months. 213 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 2: Last question for you, we know you're busy keep up 214 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: the fight at the trial because you know, I think 215 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 2: you're adding more supporters every single day. I think it's 216 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: backfired on them. This is a light question for you. 217 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 2: I know you're a huge sports fan. I don't know 218 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 2: if you've got a chance to see the Tom Brady 219 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: roast that it aired on Netflix or any of the segments. 220 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: Robert Kraft, your old friend, told Vladimir Putin that he 221 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 2: wanted his NFL Super Bowl ring back. Putin, he says, 222 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 2: stole it. Have you ever been roasted like that? Are 223 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: you surprised that Tom Brady, who I know you're a 224 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 2: big fan of, took it And would you ever want 225 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: to do something like that? 226 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 3: Well? I was roasted on Comedy Central and before I 227 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 3: was long before I was president, actually, and it was 228 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 3: not a pleasant evening. 229 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: I will tell you. They roasted me. 230 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 3: They roasted the hell out of me. But it's fun. Look, 231 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 3: it was a good cause, money went to charity, a 232 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 3: lot of good things, and but no, I was roasted. 233 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 3: If you have a look at that one, you'll see 234 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 3: what a roast is all about. 235 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: But when Clay got roasted by the view recently, mister president, 236 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: I did know it can. 237 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 3: Happens on a daily basis. 238 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know. 239 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 3: I was on Whoopies movie. She made a movie, a 240 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 3: basketball movie. So could you do the movie for me? 241 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 3: Could you do? Joy Behar would see what she would 242 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 3: do for me, She'd do anything. All of a sudden, 243 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 3: I run for politics and they pretend like, gee, we 244 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 3: hate check out Whoopies movie. I said, take me out 245 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 3: of your movie. I did a big cameo in Whoopies movie. 246 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 3: You know it's you are still the. 247 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: Best part of Home Alone too. By the way, So 248 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: for those of. 249 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 3: Us that remember that's a good one. That was a 250 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 3: very good one. 251 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: Mister president. We know you got to go and you know, 252 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: defeat all the nonsense and win a huge election and 253 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: make history again. Play and buck here with you. Thank 254 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: you so much, really appreciate your time. 255 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 3: As always, well, I appreciate you guys. You do a 256 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 3: fantastic job. And we'll talk again soon. 257 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: There you go, Clay. That was the second part of 258 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: our exclusive interview with President Trump. We covered a lot 259 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: of ground, which is one of the great things about 260 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,599 Speaker 1: sitting down with the president is you can go on, 261 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: you can go anywhere in terms of the conversation. If 262 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: there's no there's no, oh the handlers haven't prepped him 263 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: for that one, or oh, without a prompter, he doesn't 264 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: know what to say. You can talk to the guy 265 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: about your favorite movie from the eighties. You can talk 266 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: to him about rock bands, or you can talk to 267 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: him about staring down Kim jong un, actually staring down 268 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: Kim Jong un. So yeah, there's a lot that you 269 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: could we covered there. I mean, for me, the biggest 270 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: the biggest takeaway from this part is, uh, you know, 271 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: he says he can't tell about Biden one way or 272 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: the other. I think it's gonna be Biden. I thought 273 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: that all along, but he admits that that's crazy. To Clay. 274 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: He says he's gonna do major deportations. If he sticks 275 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: to that, that's gonna be a heck of a time 276 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: in America, no doubt. 277 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 2: And we've had Stephen Miller on this program a lot, 278 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: who would be probably charged with implementing that. He said, 279 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 2: still he doesn't think that Biden's gonna be the nominee. 280 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: He said, jotted down the quote. I think at some 281 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: point he goes out and then said, obviously what I 282 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 2: think is true, it's dangerous for our country that Biden 283 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: is in right now. 284 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: We'll allow you guys to react. 285 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 2: Full interview will be posted at Clayanbuck dot com also 286 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: on the podcast. If you want to hear that entire 287 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 2: conversation with Trump, we encourage you to go check it 288 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: out Clayanbuck dot com. Also go subscribe to the Clay 289 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: and Buck podcast. 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Ninety five 307 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: cents of every dollar goes directly to their programs. 308 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 5: Twenty four on you podcast from Clay and Buck covering 309 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 5: all things Election episodes Drum Sundays at noon Eastern. Find 310 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 5: it on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get 311 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 5: your podcasts. 312 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Great conversation there with 313 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: forty five and we hope soon to be number forty seven. 314 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, who is in remarkable spirit, still has his 315 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: sense of humor and certainly is focused in on his 316 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: purpose going forward, despite the madness of this trial you've 317 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: got right now. It's interesting CNN, I think is trying 318 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: so hard to make this and I suppose the CNN 319 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: audience represents the ten percent of America who thinks that 320 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: a business records case that is a misdemeanor that isn't 321 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: even a misdemeanor because they can't even prove any intent 322 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: and it has nothing to do with anything anyway. I 323 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: go through all that another day. CNN audience is the 324 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: only audience in America maybe New York Times subscribers who 325 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: believe it. This is an important case, I should say, 326 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: the crimes allegend the case. It's important because it's Trump, 327 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: but what they're talking about is unimportant, right, And Michael 328 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: Cohen is now subject to cross examination. You know, they're 329 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: just they're going to tell us that they went after 330 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: Cohen and they went after his credibility. The guy has 331 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: no credibility. I mean, how can you be a guy 332 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: who's turning on your former client and is a known 333 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: liar and a known perjurer and already served prison time 334 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: and now you're the star witness. 335 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 2: I think he was upset that Trump didn't take him 336 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: to DC, and that's where all of this comes from. 337 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: And the other thing I would say about it is 338 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 2: he's the prosecution's final witness, so there's going to be 339 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 2: a pretty aggressive I would imagine cross examination, which will 340 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: probably take the rest of this week would be my guest, 341 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 2: because they don't have Cork tomorrow. I would think that 342 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: Cohen will probably be on the stand Thursday Friday. I 343 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 2: don't know how many witnesses the Trump team will call, 344 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: but this could be to the jury before the end 345 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: of May. And I don't think that's crazy at all. 346 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 2: And the point that I think would then factor in 347 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 2: is they've made this entire lawfare such a central component 348 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 2: of the entire Biden campaign, and we may be done 349 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 2: with it in some way by Memorial Day, and then 350 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 2: Trump would be free to be back on the campaign 351 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 2: trail June, July, August, September, October. I know you think 352 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 2: they're going to try to get him back in the 353 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 2: court room associated with the Chutkin. 354 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: Case in DC. You're gonna try, for sure. I don't 355 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: know if they can. The Supreme Court is going to 356 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: be the determining factor in that. But I mean, I 357 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: think you agree that they want to do that, Oh, 358 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: certainly they do. 359 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 2: I just don't think the timing is gonna work out, 360 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 2: because I think the Supreme Court will see will hold 361 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 2: this decision until late June early July, the very end 362 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 2: of their release of opinions and then they'll toss it back. 363 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 2: They'll have to spend a couple of months to figure 364 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: out maybe Jacksmith will issue a new indictment. 365 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: I don't know who's spending months. I think they're gonna 366 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: do it. And I remember, that's normal process. This is 367 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: what I've been argued all along. Normal process doesn't apply here. 368 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: But again, maybe the Supreme Court still believes a normal process. 369 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: And you know, there's a documentary I watched last week. 370 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: It's narrated by a friend of mine. It's worthy of 371 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: you spending your time to watch it. It's called America's 372 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: Last Election. You'll find it online and at a website 373 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: by that name. Friend is Porter Stansbury. Renowned economists the 374 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: last twenty five years, Porter's predicted almost every major economic 375 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: and financial move in both directions. 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That's Last 385 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: Election Documentary dot com, paid for by Porter and Company. 386 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 2: Welcome back in You heard from President Trump our one 387 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 2: and hour three of this show. We taped with him 388 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 2: yesterday evening because he is presently in the courtroom where 389 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 2: the cross examination of Michael Cohen has begun, and it 390 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 2: is getting nasty early. A couple of things that I 391 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 2: want to hit here. Cohen has continued to speak out. 392 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: He hasn't had a gag order, which has been I 393 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 2: think a failure of this case in general. Aisha Hasney 394 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 2: at Fox News in the courtroom says. Cohen's asked if 395 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: on April twenty third, he referred to Trump as a 396 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 2: quote dictator, douchebag, and if he recalls saying that Trump 397 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 2: quote belongs in a cage like an effing animal. Cohen 398 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 2: says the quotes sound correct. Also more crazy quotes from 399 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 2: Michael Cohen as part of the cross examination that is 400 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 2: currently underway. He is asked if the DA's office has 401 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: repeatedly told him not to say anything. He says yes, 402 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 2: which means he's violating their request. Todd blanche is the 403 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 2: attorney for Trump, says, do you remember going on TV 404 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 2: talking about this investigation and all of these other things. 405 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 2: This is a mess, And you asked the question as 406 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: we were during the commercial break. 407 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: This could go very soon to a jury. 408 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 2: Last witness they are saying for the prosecution is Michael Cohen. 409 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 2: There is the expectation I imagine that the defense may 410 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna put Trump on the stand. 411 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 2: They could theoretically put Trump on the stand. I do 412 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: not think they will do it, and that would take days. 413 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,959 Speaker 2: That might take weeks if they put him on the stand. 414 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 2: If they don't do it, this case could be to 415 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 2: the jury in the next eight to ten days. Buck 416 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,239 Speaker 2: The thing that I have said from the get go 417 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 2: is I don't think there's any way you get an acquittal, 418 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 2: because that would require everybody agree. I don't think there 419 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 2: are twelve jurors in New York City anywhere that would 420 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 2: agree Trump hasn't committed a crime. I do think the 421 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 2: longer this has gone on, the more likely I believe 422 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 2: there may be one or two people on this jury 423 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: who would simply refuse to convict, which would be a 424 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 2: hung jury. I also think ultimately this is going to 425 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 2: get tossed out as a mistrial over the testimony of 426 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 2: Stormy Daniels and the way that it was way more 427 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 2: prejudicial than it was adding to probative value, which is 428 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 2: a standard that they apply. 429 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: And so I think down the line it's going to 430 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: get tossed may take a couple of years. But going now, 431 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: what do you think. I think they're going to get 432 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: a conviction. 433 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 2: Which last week or ten days ago, you were somewhat optimistic, 434 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 2: you thought things might be going Trump's way. 435 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: Now you if you're gonna art now, but hold on 436 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: a second. I think it's going Trump's way even more. 437 00:21:55,320 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: But I just think that the pressure on those jury 438 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: errors to give the desired verdict. They know they will 439 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: be doxed and they will be harassed by the New 440 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: York Times and these other places after the trial. Yeah, 441 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: I think we all know this, like they're they're going 442 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: to be if they don't have a guilty verdict. Everybody 443 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: will know everyone who was on that jury and everything else, 444 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: and I think that they're they're aware of that. I 445 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: think that there's a real concern and if you're asking 446 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: me to put money out. Look, I also psychologically, I'll 447 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: just admit this. I'll prepare for the worst and try to, 448 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: you know, and try to hope for the best. I 449 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: just feel like this whole scam, this whole sham, that 450 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: it's even gotten to this point is indicative of dark 451 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: forces at work. But I think even if they get 452 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: a guilty verdict, it's not really going to you know, 453 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: it's not going to change anything about the politics. I 454 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: think that that's where the Democrats are really losing politically. 455 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: But I think they're probably if you ask me, they're 456 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: probably going to get a guilty verdict. The only other 457 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: option play right is hung jury, which means one person 458 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: is willing to risk their job, their livelihood, their reputation 459 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: and all the rest of it, and be I mean, 460 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: can we agree on this. If one person is a holdout, 461 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: that person is going to be harassed and hounded for 462 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: years to come by the insane forces of the left right. 463 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: I mean, is that fair? You think that's not fair 464 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: to say? 465 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 2: Oh, it's a great question, because a part of me 466 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 2: would say, if there's one patriot, because that's what I 467 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 2: would call him or her who refused to convict Trump 468 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 2: on the grounds that the case was not proven, which 469 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 2: I don't think is a crazy legally permissible perspective to have. 470 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 2: I think it would require a couple of things. One 471 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 2: either you're independently wealthy that you do not are concerned 472 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 2: about your financial situation, or you think, hey, I'll be 473 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 2: the rights hero. I'm going to vote not to convict, 474 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 2: I'll publicly acknowledge it, and maybe I'll move to Florida. 475 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: I was going to say that person's they gonna move 476 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: to Florida, Texas or Tennessee and realize that life in 477 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: Manhattan would probably be a whole lot more stressful for 478 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: them than had previously been. But but honestly, what really 479 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,479 Speaker 1: should happen here is this is for the This is 480 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: for the judge to see for what it is and 481 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: to throw out. I mean, this should have already been 482 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 1: This whole thing should have just been thrown out by 483 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: the judge. And that's so the fact that that's a 484 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: had trial clearly right. That so the fact that that 485 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: hasn't happened, I think the jury is going to be 486 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: instructed at the end of this whole thing. Uh, there, 487 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: you know that did this or did this not happen, 488 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: and do you based on the absurd reading of the 489 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: statute that Bragg has, you know, did a crime occur 490 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: here that beyond the reasonable doubt? I mean, the thing 491 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: about financial crimes, paperwork crimes in general, it's usually uh, 492 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: we got you right. Yeah. I mean, for example, with 493 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden, there's no question that he didn't pay income 494 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: taxes and that he did so willingly and knowingly, and 495 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: he broke federal law. There's no question about that. There's 496 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: just the lack of a stomach in the Department of 497 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 1: Justice to bring charges against a Biden son or a 498 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: Biden child. And in the case of what we see 499 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: here with Donald Trump, there's no question that the money 500 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: was paid. But then it goes to can you prove 501 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: what the motive is? But it's so confusing about what 502 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: the real storyline is that I think a jury will 503 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: probably just fall back on, well, we know we paid 504 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: the money and it was and as a porn star 505 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: and it's kind of gross, So I guess we'll just 506 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: say guilty. Do you know what I'm saying. I think 507 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 1: that the true legal intricacies here will be lost on 508 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: a jury that is already anti Trump. That's my unfortunate 509 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: but I think honest analysis at this point interesting component. 510 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: There two things. 511 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 2: One polymarket, which I love, basically allows better to occur 512 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 2: on anything. They say that there is a seventy six 513 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 2: percent chance that he's found guilty, So that would mean 514 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 2: roughly one in four from a gambling perspective, which is 515 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 2: far better than it was when this trial started, that 516 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 2: he's not found guilty. Now, not found guilty doesn't mean 517 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 2: he's innocent, doesn't mean that he's acquitted. It could mean 518 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 2: that there is somebody out there that is willing to 519 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 2: stand up. Second part here, Buck, you just mentioned the 520 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 2: complicated nature of this case. There's two lawyers on the 521 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 2: twelve person jury. That's kind of unheard of. You usually 522 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 2: would never get lawyers on this case. Why do I 523 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 2: think that could be significant in the jury pool? If 524 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 2: you were on this jury, it would be somewhat natural 525 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 2: for the people that actually have legal training to be leaders. 526 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 2: Maybe four persons, maybe you're involved in the discussions in 527 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 2: a more substantive way with their legal background. How does 528 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: that cut? Could you have somebody with a conservative bent, 529 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 2: even though it's a New York City law firm, and 530 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 2: maybe could you have someone who's a lawyer, and they 531 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 2: think to themselves, I'm totally of the belief that this 532 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 2: has not been proven legally. You remember, usually a jury 533 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 2: is there to determine issues of fact. Judges determine issues 534 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 2: of the law. But if you have lawyers on the jury, 535 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 2: that can kind of get meshed together because the warriors 536 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 2: are more likely to understand the legality. And what I've 537 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 2: been talking about since this happened, Buck, is this is 538 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 2: a misdemeanor crime. 539 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: Being elevated to a felony. 540 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 2: The only reason it's a felony is because they found 541 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 2: some mysterious second crime. 542 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: As a lawyer. 543 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: As a lawyer, I look at this and I say 544 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 2: that mysterious second crime strikes me in a way that 545 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 2: it might not a lay person, and so how would 546 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 2: that play it. 547 00:27:53,840 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: It's also it's also clearly unethical to elevate your charge 548 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: in what is effectively a state court level proceeding. Right. 549 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: I know it's the city of New York, but it 550 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: falls under New York state jurisdiction. It's wrong to hide 551 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: the exacerbating charge in a not proven federal allegation. So 552 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: it would be like saying that if you had two 553 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: trials going on, you know, one for murder and one 554 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 1: for robbery, right, and you know one is federal and 555 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 1: one estate, and you're on trial for the robbery, and 556 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: they say, well, you know it's actually now this is 557 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: a capital offense, a death penalty case, because you know 558 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: this guy also killed somebody. Right, Well, hold on a second, 559 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: he hasn't been convicted of killing anybody. How can you 560 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: elevate his robbery charge when the other charge hasn't even 561 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: been brought, never mind proven in a court of law. 562 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: It is an end run on due process that we 563 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: are seeing, and it has all been engineered in the 564 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: proven federal allegation. So it would be like saying that 565 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: if you had two trials going on, you know, one 566 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: for murder and one for robbery, right, and you know 567 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: one is federal and one estate, and you're on trial 568 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: for the robbery, and they say, well, you know it's 569 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: actually now this is a capital offense, a death penalty case, 570 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: because you know this guy also killed somebody, right, Yeah, well, 571 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: hold on a second, he hasn't been convicted of killing anybody. 572 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: How can you elevate his robbery charge when the other 573 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: charge hasn't even been brought, never mind proven in a 574 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: court of law. It is an end run on due 575 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: process that we are seeing, and it has all been 576 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: engineered in the worst possible bad faith application by Alvin 577 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: Bragg's District attorney office. 578 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 2: It also makes the defense's job, I would argue, legally impossible, 579 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 2: because you have to know exactly what the charges are 580 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 2: that you're fighting back against in order to provide an 581 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 2: adequate defense to your defendant per that you're representing. And 582 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 2: so if you're telling me, and I think this is 583 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 2: where it currently stands that there are three potential violations 584 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 2: of the law that have occurred from the moment you 585 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 2: do this indictment as the secondary crime, how do I 586 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 2: attack that directly with the jury. I just think this 587 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 2: is beyond the shadow of a doubt. I would bet 588 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 2: massive amounts of money that this case is eventually going 589 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 2: to be tossed. 590 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that doesn't matter, right, You get that, that 591 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: doesn't change. It doesn't matter for the purposes of the election. 592 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter for the purposes of Trump's He's not 593 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: going to go to prison. They're not going to do that. 594 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: So it really just turns into like a change in 595 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: the Wikipedia entry for Trump when the when the case 596 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: is eventually overturned, I mean, it'd be nice, but if 597 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: he's found guilty and then two years from now the 598 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: appeals court says, yeah, that was a crap case. We'll 599 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: already have had the election. You know what I'm saying. 600 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: So I know what you're saying. I'm just pointing out 601 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: it's all about the timing and how this affects perception 602 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: right now. So there's tremendous injustice in even having this 603 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: while in the election year, the way that they're doing so. 604 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: And it's also why, you know, it's very rare to 605 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: be able to even challenge your right to be tried. 606 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: That's why the presidential immunity component of the federal case 607 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: is so interesting, because that is one of the rare 608 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: exceptions because to be able to even get dragged into 609 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: court if you have presidential immunity, the process is the punishment, 610 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: right and the process here in New York is also 611 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: the punishment. I think Clay more so than they even think. 612 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: If they get a guilty verdict, that will be I 613 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: will you know, I don't know. I was gonna say, 614 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: I'll eat my hat, but I don't wear hats. But 615 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: like there's just they're not gonna lock Trump up for 616 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: this case. I just don't I don't see it. I 617 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: think they realize if we think this is backfire, and 618 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: that would really backfire. I think that is likely true. 619 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 2: However, I think that they could make irrational decisions because 620 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 2: I believe they're starting to be a panic set in. 621 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 2: I really think they planned on keeping Trump off the 622 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 2: rail for much of the summer and fall leading into 623 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 2: the election. Atlanta's not panning out. South Florida is not 624 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 2: panning out. D C is not panning out. And if 625 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 2: that's true, a part of me wonders whether, as a result, 626 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 2: the panic is going to lead to overreach and they're 627 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 2: going to do something rash as it pertains to his 628 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 2: status in the UK. 629 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: Well, here's the other part of this. If they I know, 630 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: we gotta go, we gotta come back and take some calls. 631 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: We're having too much fun on the show today, Clay. 632 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: If they get a not guilty verdict or even a mistrial, 633 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: they know this whole thing is collapsing in real time. 634 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: That's that's not guilty verdict ends the ends all that stuff. 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Use code Clay that's my name, 662 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 2: c Lay in the shopping cart for an extra fifteen 663 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 2: dollars off your first order gov x savings. 664 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: For those who serve. 665 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,959 Speaker 5: Stay on top of election, use with twenty four from 666 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 5: Clay and Buck, a weekly podcast you can find on 667 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 5: the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. 668 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 1: All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck, and we're 669 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: closing up shop for the day. Still have Michael Cohen 670 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: getting cross examined right now. I'm sure it is not 671 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: a not a fun thing to be a known perser, liar, etc. 672 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: Michael Cohen, disbarred, disgraced attorney, and he's in the midst 673 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: of it right now. The Trump atturn getting to take 674 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,280 Speaker 1: some shots at him. We'll bring you more of that tomorrow, 675 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: and of course everything else that's going on in the 676 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: world also in our mind. You please, if you didn't 677 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: listen to the whole Trump interview. We just did it. 678 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: We just aired it today on the show, but we'd 679 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 1: aired it in two parts. The whole thing up at 680 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: clayanbuck dot com. Also, you can go listen to it 681 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 1: on the iHeart app. In the Clay and Buck podcast feed, 682 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: which we certainly hope you were all subscribed to, Tutor 683 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 1: Diiction show in there, Carol Marcoit, Sean Parnell, Lisa Booth, 684 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: a lot of great content in the Clay and Buck feed. 685 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: Diane in Long Beach, California, a former court reporter, got 686 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,760 Speaker 1: some thoughts on Trump things. What's going on, Diane, Yes, what. 687 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 4: Buck was saying about the juror being docked by the 688 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 4: New York Times, My judgement start every trial in Compton 689 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 4: because the jurors were afraid, you know, that someone was 690 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 4: going to come after them. My judge would say, I 691 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 4: have never in all my years heard of a juror. 692 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 6: Being in any kind of trouble afterwards, because they hide 693 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 6: their names, and the only people that are given a 694 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 6: list of the names is the clerk, the judge, and 695 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 6: each lawyer. The lawyer gives their back after the trials, 696 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 6: and then the court reporter keeps oneing. 697 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 2: Right, Diane, let me just ask let me just let 698 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 2: me just ask you a question. First of all, a 699 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 2: lot of jurors do interviews of their own volition afterwards 700 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 2: if they're in high profile cases. But let me just 701 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 2: ask you this. I understand your experience. I understand all 702 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 2: that if one of the twelve jurors refused to convict 703 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 2: Donald Trump and there was a mistrial, you really believe 704 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 2: that that jurors name and information would never get out publicly. 705 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 6: I've thought about this, and I thought about it if 706 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 6: I would be strong enough. 707 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 4: But I would assume if it was me, I wouldn't 708 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 4: want my name out there, and I would I don't 709 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:50,760 Speaker 4: know I would. 710 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 6: I don't think the person would maybe voluntarily give it. 711 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: No, But do you think it would happen? I mean, Diane, here, 712 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: here's I worked at the CIA for years. People were 713 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: threatened with federal prison if stuff got out, and you 714 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: know what, really secret stuff still gets out. 715 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,720 Speaker 2: I appreciate the call, and I understand and I agree 716 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 2: with what she's saying that it's in principle, by the way, Diane, 717 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 2: we appreciate the call is a good call, but in 718 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 2: this scenario, one person refuses to convict Trump. Everybody is 719 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 2: going to know who I would. 720 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: I would give someone ten to one betting odds that 721 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: name would be out and known within forty eight hours 722 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: one to ten. Damn it.